If you need any indication that the discourse on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is changing in the US just check out this report from ABC News – Israel at War … Over Road Signs?: Israeli Transport Ministry Accused of Plan to Ethnically Cleanse Road Signs.
The story outlines plans the new Israeli Minister of Transportation has to change the "the names of more than 2,500 road signs, doing away with Arabic place
names and replacing them with simple translations of Hebrew names." Some examples given would be dropping the Arabic al-Nasra for Nazareth and using the Hebrew Natsrat, and more controversially dropping the Arabic name for Jerusalem Al Quds and only using the Hebrew Yerushalayim. Although a Ministry spokesperson says the changes are being made solely for the benefit of drivers, a communications adviser to the Minister is a bit more upfront, saying opposition to the changes are an "attempt by anti-Israeli and anti-Zionist elements to annul Israel's
identity as a Jewish and democratic state. Anyone willing to refer to
Jerusalem as al-Quds is collaborating with the Palestinian propaganda."
As context the article highlights Avigdor Lieberman's success in the recent Israeli elections, and it's clear that his right wing views are opening space for the US media to talk truth about Israel in a way that it hasn't before. One example from the article is the explanation that "Israel's Arab community makes up 20 percent of the country's population
and many have long perceived of themselves as second-class citizens." Weren't these the same 20% that used to be held up as evidence that Israel is a flourishing democracy? More interesting is that the term "ethnic cleansing" is not actually used by anyone in the story, but was added by ABC News to help clarify the story in the subtitle.
When Ilan Pappe came out with The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine in 2007 applying the term "ethnic cleansing" to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict was considered controversial and on the cutting edge. Less than two years later, ABC News has adopted the term. Anyone think this might be why the Israel Project is trying to co-opt it for their own purposes?
How many times do I have to tell you, God is not in the business of real-estate – he never will be.
According to whom? Israel? Please go back to school and learn about something called International Law – it's really quite interesting.
We've been through this before Thom, do I really have to repeat everything I said? It's getting a bit tiring
Hebron is part of Palestine, every institution in the world says so, including those in Israel.
Shingo, you LIVE on lies. My FACTS will hurt you. Hang on!!! You want quotes on HaAretz and raping Israel? Simple. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=david+la... Loads of links there. Shingo-Liar has a big headache now. Try this one. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=david+la... Editor of HaAretz, clinical loony case and MondoHater David Landau, talks about his wet dreams. His words. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=david+la... More for you to worry about, Shingo-Liar. Check out these links, look at Shingo's previous posting and weep (MondoBigots) or laugh (Seekers Of Truth). Shingo, you are such an idiotic liar. Your bigotry has driven you mad. Go away and suffer alone – leave the rest of us alone.
1) Shingo lies. Check out ANY of Shingo's other postings. 2) Shingo doesn't know anything about what's inside Israel, doesn't know the geography, history or demographics. 3) Shingo has a knee-jerk response to offend Israel and Jews. Perhaps ShingoBigot can't help itself. 4) Shingo's single-line statement above is just plain wrong. Shingo NEVER provides reliable sources. ShingoLiar, go away.
al-Safiq, tell that to the Muslims. Never heard of "Holy Islamic Soil" ™? Can Infidels like me go visit Mecca? Or even Jordan? (Jordan now forbids entry to anyone having "a Jewish appearance"). And they call this peace? Perhaps al-Shafiq can go visit Mecca. Maybe already has. Are yo a Hajji, al-Shafiq? Your real estate comment is plainly wrong on YOUR soil, but you want it to apply on INFIDEL soil. Hypocrite.
The Jews of Hebron were massacred adn ethnically cleansed in the 1920's. The British Mandatory forces supported this. International law? Not for your Jihadi friends, al-Shafiq.
1) Sin actually wanted to hear about my evidence on the Liberty. ShingoBigot didn't. Bad memory? 2) Nothing makes the "West Bank" "Palestinean land". Can you even define "West Bank"? It's a modern invention. 3) Israel did not ethnically cleanse Arabs. That is precisely why 1 in 5 Israelis today is an ARAB. 0% of residents of Pal and Arab territories are Jewish. Most readers can determine for themselves who is truly guilty of ethnic cleansing. ShingoLiar probably can't.
Of courrse. Shingo is looking at an official "Palestinean" Authority map. No Israel. Simple.
Liar. Hebron is an ancient Jewish town and remained so for MILLENIA until the Arabs of Hebron ethnically cleansed the Jews from their midst in the 1920's during the British Mandate. Too bad, al-Shafiq.
If you believe what you wrote, you can't read anything. I have posted DOZENS OF POSTINGS, replete with facts and links. ShingoLiar, do you really think that readers here have never seen any other posting of yourss? Keep it up. You discredit yourself without much help from me. Hvae fun.
You clearly hav no idea of what a map looks like, ShingoIDiot. It's no use arguing with you. Howl into the wind, Shingo. It's healthy for you…
ShingoLiar knows nothing about the history, geofgraphy or politics of Israel – and demonstrates Shingo's ignorance in public, all the time. But Shingo wants to rely on Ben Shlomo, who Shingo admits is a moron. You can't get much more moronic than that. Shingo. What a laugh.
Hi shingo I wasn't aware there was a debate going on. All I see are Israelis and Israeli apologists spreading shopworn lies that were demolished decades ago. I'd say the Israel-Palestine conflict is one of the few areas where it is NOT possible for informed, decent people to disagree. That certainly doesn't mean there is no point to the Mondo Weiss site. Far from it. All sorts of vital info appears here and pro-Palestinians can discuss and debate strategies, etc. But the only thing you can really do in response to fools like jake, thom, bluebeard, carnas etc is to throw rocks at them. They don't debate anything. They just repeat idiocies and lies and I think that's true 100% of the time. I haven't heard a single valid point from them. Ever.
They forfeit because they converted? You support the killing of Arabs because they're not Jewish. You support taking over the land of others (occupied Palestine) because you see it as 'Jewish land'. Remind me, how are you any better than Al-Qaeda
Never heard of "Holy Islamic Soil" ™? No Can Infidels like me go visit Mecca? Or even Jordan? Yes and yes
Yeah. Maybe if you keep telling yourself that, you'll start believing it. As for us? maybe not
Which is why you'll always be conquered.
so he didn't say 'please rape us',
I was talking about this statement: Jewish residency in Samaria and Judea is quite legal But if you want to talk about ethnic cleansing, let's start with the Arab villages that were razed by Israel after their residents were forced out.
Wow Jake, All those links and not onlyl do none of them produce a quote of what he actually said, they can't even agree oin what he said. The American thinker claims that Landau advised US Sec of State Condoleezza Rice to "rape Israel," while the JP version claims he said Israel "wants to be raped by the US". Which one is it Jake? More conpsiracy theories Jake. Too easy.
The IDF are human righs vilators and war criminials. Even IDF soldiers are speaking out becasue they are so dusguted with the IDF's actions and the orders they were given. They are also cowards and afraid to face their enemy head on, preferring to sit in the cockpts of tanks and F-16's. That's why Hebollah handed them their asses in 2006, becasue Hezbollah are real fighters. Cowardly little bous hiding in their mothers skirts and attacking hospitals and UN compounds.
The native population of Israel are the Palestinians, who are the decendents fo the ooriginal Judeans. The majority fo today's Jews as askenazim who are merely converts to the religion. It's an undisputed fact that more Jews are European converts. Israel Bartal, dean of humanities at the Hebrew University, said recently that: "no historian of the Jewish national movement has ever really believed that the origins of the Jews are ethnically and biologically 'pure.' " He noted that "[i]mportant groups in the [Zionist] movement expressed reservations regarding this myth or denied it completely."
Yes Eitan. You claim that the land belongs to Jews becasue they were always there, but you then argue that anyone who converted to Islam forfetited their right to the land, which means that being there is not a pre-requisite for ownership. You just debunked your own logic.
1) Jake is a conpiracy theorist and is bitter that his conpisracues were debuynked. Check out all the posts that have been exposed as lies 2) Jake can't name the closest military base to Gaza, which proves he knows nothing about Israel and has robabyl never been to Jerusalem. 3) Jake is an Islamphobic facist who regards any defense of palestiniasn or Arabs and anti Semitism. 4) Jake didmisses sources he doesn't like or can't refute as unreliable. That's a common theme among Zionists. No matter who it is, the Israeli Supreme Court, Isralei historians, Isreli journalists, Isralis politicians. If they say anything that contradicts the Zionist propaganda line, they are not credible. Jake wants me to go away because I am exposing his lies. I won't be going away.
Well Jake, if you look at an official "isreli" govrenment map, you won't find Palestin either will you? Funny how you Zionists wasnt everything your way, but are never preparedto give anything in return. You're the spolied brats of the international community.
I too have posted DOZENS OF POSTINGS, replete with facts and links. Jake, do you really think that readers here have never seen any other posting of yours? Have you not noticed that not a single poster here has been persuaded by your Zionist propaganda? I am having fun Jake. You're like discovering a new toy. I'm looking foreward to exposing many more of your lies in the future.
"It's no use arguing with you. " Yes I know I have outsmarted you and demolished you lies, but you shouldn't give up so easily. We've only just begun Jake. More fun to be had.
No, the international community is not scared of Arabs at all. in fact, are recent poll showed that the Israel and Iran are considered the greatest threat to international peace, and neither is an Arab state. Judea and Samaria is not Jewish land. As Richard has explained to you,, there is no such thing as Jewish land. The Persians have always been in Iran and did not remove a population to make room for their own. Israel is trying to become a Jewish State, but seeing as 20%of the population is not Jewish, it is not a Jewish state. If this is a radical leftist circle-jerk, you are participating in it.
Pappe is disputed only by Israeli Zionists, and widely criticized throughout the world by Israeli Zionists only. He is acclaimed universally.
I am famliar with the likes of jake, thom, bluebeard, and Eitan. it's so easy to denbunk their lies, but like the brainwashed ideologues that they are, they just dust themselves off and return to repeat the lies. One just has to be vigilant and not let them get away with it, so that those who are uninformed about these events will not be persuaded by their propaganda. In any case, they are clearly losing the debate. The tide has turned and it's all downhill for them from now one. There is no saving Isrel's reputation. These desperados are simply trying to polish a turd.
I have eduated you about history, geofgraphy or politics of Israel. The fact that you have to resort to abusing my name is proof that you have lost the argument and are in the first stages of denial. Next will come anger. Acceptance will come later. I consider all politicaisn to be morons, expecially Israeli politicians, but Ben Ami is one of the few that has been honest after he left office. Jake hates it when his profile Israelis expose Israel's lies. He opnly loves Jews when they agree with him. When they dont, he becomes an anti Semite.
Coward Hamas terrorist hiding in UN school and homes. The logic of your rpevious argument is clearly flawed. I always hear that, well you are cowards because you dont give the terrorists F16 and tanks! They should have all weapons confiscated including rocks! Don't like it! Go to mecca.
no you debunked yours
Skinhead dogma that Jews are actually just European converts. As a Jew you could be ashamed. Self hater
shingo enjoy your well-informed posts. ..wish I could share your optimism. Unfortunately, it seems to matter very little whether people are better informed. The israeli public is certainly informed. A lot of what Americans believe, would be laughed out of the country in israel. For example, Joan Peters book, which was such a huge hit in the states was immediately regarded as a preposterous farce in Israel. Everyone there knew it was nonsense, that the land was NOT empty at the time of jewish colonization. They know the facts. They know they are in violation of the law. They know they are anti-arab racists. They know they are brutalizing innocent people and denying them self-determination and a future, having stolen their land….but they don't care. That is what I find so dismal about this situation and why I have so little patience with the supporters of israel.
1) Sin did want to hear about your evidence. You never presented any evidence, but a conspiracy theory, whcih Sin then proceeded to smash into a million pieces. I remember, I was there. It was beautiful. 2) The West bank is internationally recognized as Palestinian land and the only possible location for a Palestinians State. Israel is also a modern invention. They both exist. 3) Israel ethnically cleansed 800,000 Arabs. Even more damning is that so many Zionists spoke openly about it before carrying it out. the fact that they didn't get rid of all them (which Benny Morris considers a mistake by Israel) is not proof that it didn't exist. Does the fact that there are Jews today prove there was no Holocaust? Are you a Holocaust denier Jake? Yes most readers can determine for themselves who is truly guilty of ethnic cleansing and most readers know it happened. Israel is asjhamed of it, which is wy they are trying to ban Nakba remembrance.
Hebron is an ancient Jewish town which resides in the West Bank, which is outside of Israel's borders. The Arabs of Hebron did not ethnically cleansed the Jews. It was the British forced Jews to leave their homes and prohibited Jews from living in the Gaza strip and Hebron. Learn your own history Jake, you are soiling yourself in public. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Histo...
Israel tried to lie to the world that Hamas terrorist hiding in UN school and homes, and even though Israel blcoked the world media from entering, the world has seen through Israel's lies. In fact, it was the IDF that have been exposed for using human shields and bombing UN schools and homes. "They should have all weapons confiscated including rocks!" Why? Becasue the IDF are cowards and don;t have teh courage to fight a real war? So you finally admit that even with all their high tech weapons, Israel is afraid of rocks and primitive weapons. They say that an army becomes weak when they fight a weak enemy. Nothing could be truer than of the IDF. Such cowards. So immoral.. So spineless.
You claim that the land belongs to Jews becasue they were always there, but you then argue that anyone who converted to Islam forfetited their right to the land, which means that being there is not a pre-requisite for ownership. You just debunked your own logic.
The Jews of Hebron were massacred adn ethnically cleansed in the 1920's. Rubbish. The British forced Jews to leave their homes and prohibited Jews from living in the Gaza strip and Hebron. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Histo... 'The British Mandatory forces supported this." They did it. The same guys who gave Israel to the Zionists.
lovelyisraelis, The entire Israeli projects rests entirely on public opinion and public perception. Politicians in the US and Britain are motivated by self interest and serve whoever can buy or most influence them. Ever since Netenyahu came to power, the Israeli lobby started losing it's power in Washington. The world was truly sickened by Israel's brutality in Gaza and there is little likelihood that the love affair with Israel is gong to return to it's Bush years. Americans tend to be the most ignorant and least informed population when it comes to international affairs, but support for Israel it falling like a stone even among Jewish people. There is also more and more dissent coming from Israel itself, which is a sing for optimism. As we saw with the demise of the right, things can happen very quickly. In 2004, the republicans looked invincible and then seemingly overnight, it all went pear shaped for them. Just this week, European Union foreign policy chief Javier Solana is taking steps to move the establishment of a Palestinian Authority state through the United Nations, whether Israel agrees to it or not. In the past, this would have hit brick walls, but I sense that Obama will not block this motion and Brown will certainly not stick his neck out. I suspect when the shift happens in Israel/Palestine, it will be so fast it will surprise us all.
He left out the word "please". For a lunatic who preaches to the Secretary of State about his "wet dreams" (Landau's words), don't expect him to be polite, as well. And this is the Editor of your oh-so-reliable HaAretz!
Two reliable sources and you dont' like either. I'm not surprised. Liars never like being shown in public to be liars. Just like Shingo.
After all of Shingo's slander (I'm writing this from Jerusalem, though flat-earthers like you will never believe facts), you still have no referrnce to your earlier lie about generous compensation and living in the WB. Typical blabber from Shingo. Keep at it, Shingo. Your drivel is what MondoLies lives on.
I replied to this in full yesterday. WHere is my response???? Is MondoLies deleting things?????
Shingo, the obssessive liar. You lose debates and then proclaim victory. You are a hopeless moron. You are a waste of time.
Moron Shingo can't even read Shingo's OWN references. "Like the riots earlier in the decade, afterward the British appointed Sir William Shaw to head an inquiry into the causes of the riots. The Shaw Commission found that the violence occurred due to “racial animosity on the part of the Arabs" This is why you are a moron, Shingo.
Ever heard of Areas A, B, C, as per Oslo? Shingo has no clue what I am talking about… Shingo, you are lying, moronic waste of time. Your home is MondoLies. Naturally.
You mean two sources that can't agree on what was actually said. So much for being "reliable". Funny how your sources are magically reliable while any that contradict you are not. Liars a like that.
"I'm writing this from Jerusalem" So you say. Of course, you also said you spoke to Liberty survivors and that tuned out to be bunk too. There are no Jewish refugess in the West Bank. All West Bank settlers are welfare recipients who get given homes.
Jake, the poor little boy who says he is iogniring me, but can't. Sin and I wiped he floor with you Jake, which is why you are so bitter. I know, you wish you could just quit me don't you Jake?
Poor little Jake has been reduced to a quivering mess who sits in the corner, soiling himself and repeating the same lines over and over again. It's OK Jake, I have that affect on Zionist fanatics. I did the same to Eitan.
I did my read my own references little Jake. It was the British who removed the Jewish squatters from Hebron, not the Arabs.
Yes I know all about the Oslo agreemnt and Israel broke it from day 1, the same way they break all agreements and ceasfires. It seems your home is Mono Wise too Jake. Face it, you're adicted to this blog. You wished you could just quit it but you can't. Obsessions are horrible things aren't they Jake?
well..I think much of what you say is true. Nevertheless, it seems Netanyahu and his gang were put in power by an Israeli public that found even the depravities of Barak and Livni insufficient to satiate their bloodlust. The lobby in the US was quite successful in getting Freeman booted out before he could lend any sanity to the situation and Obama does not inspire confidence. His silence regarding Gaza has been appalling. Hillary is a disaster. As to the demise of the right…again, time will tell. America has always been part lunatic asylum. I told someone yesterday that I'd bet 100 dollars Sarah Palin will not be the next president but I would NOT bet 1000 dollars on it! anyway…let's hope you're right and I'm wrong. It's tough for me to see how a life of dignity and peace will come to the Palestinians given current conditions, but perhaps an abrupt change is in the offing. That would be wonderful.