Why are some men afraid of hijab, and why are feminist/women’s organizations silent about it?

by Adam Horowitz on July 11, 2009 · 34 comments

Seham writes:

I live in one of the more liberal regions in Northern CA so I’m more familiar with compassionate and well intentioned Orientalism, none of this stabbing business is going on over here.  Men that wear Birkenstocks just don’t do stuff like that.

Man says threats against Muslims were to ‘defend America’

Police have arrested a man accused of threatening a local woman and her baby because of their race and religion.  The incident took place on July 1 when the 25-year-old woman and her 6-month-old baby visited the Seattle Indian Health Board at 611 12th Ave. South, according to the statement of probable cause.

and

Egypt mourns ‘headscarf martyr’

The body of a Muslim woman, killed in a German courtroom by a man convicted of insulting her religion, has been taken back to her native Egypt for burial.

Anyway, this week’s splice of intolerance against Islam in the U.S. wasn’t strictly directed at women, in one instance entire communities were targeted.

Church’s anti-Islam sign stirs protest

About 125 people of diverse religions, ages and races gathered in front of the Dove World Outreach Center Wednesday evening for a prayer vigil in response to a sign recently posted by the center.  The sign reads “Islam is of the Devil” and was placed Sunday in the church’s front lawn. It was vandalized and torn down that evening but was re-erected on Monday, said Terry Jones, the pastor at the church.

How long would a sign like that last if it said “Judaism is of the Devil”?

Related Posts

  1. Zellnik: ‘7 Jewish Children’ reminded me that the media and Jewish organizations have infantilized us
  2. A young Palestinian-American woman responds to the feminist resistance to Arab norms
  3. Israeli police descend on feminist peace group, signaling ‘real changes in Israeli society’
  4. Israeli police descend on feminist peace group, signaling ‘real changes in Israeli society’
  5. The Catholic Church Lurches Forward

{ 34 comments }

1 Richard Witty July 11, 2009 at 4:14 pm

There have been MANY such signs, sadly. Its a good thing to raise one's voice against racism of any kind. I hope that YOU will do the same when it applies to Jews, as MANY Jews have raised their voices against anti-Muslim threats.

2 Craig11 July 11, 2009 at 4:31 pm

In America we like our women half-naked and sexually available. Muslim ideas of proper female dress are, from that perspective, almost as bad as lesbianism.

3 tommy July 11, 2009 at 4:43 pm

How long? 2,009 years.

4 ismail July 11, 2009 at 5:16 pm

Those signs last very well all over Arab and Muslim countries. Why is Adam feigning ignorance?

5 Ed July 11, 2009 at 5:17 pm

What are the common characteristics of political Judaism, political Islam, and Statist evangelism of Left and Right? Authoritarianism, intolerance, centralized control, top down thinking, inferred and real violence, an obsessive need to control thoughts, hearts, minds and wallets. Those attracted to any of these, IMO, are essentially of the Zionist ethos, because they all suffer from the controlling Zionist mentality. Even strapping on some Burkenstocks can’t obscure that.

6 Citizen July 11, 2009 at 5:52 pm

Is there really a comparative equal need, Richard? Our US taxes already pay for a special Federal agency devoted exclusively to monitoring and ferreting out anti-semitism, and for a unique Federal representative liaison between American Jewry and our government, and for a famous museum devoted to an event that happened as between foreigners, located on precious patriotic Wash DC ground, and a vastly disproportionate amount of Homeland Security Dollars is given to protecting Jewish school, temples, etc. Why must you consistently prove Truman right when he said Jews have no sense of proportion?

7 Saleema July 11, 2009 at 6:03 pm

A couple of years back I remember reading an article in the fashion segment on the MSN website that said that hijab makes women look ugly. The author said that the best way for Muslims who want to cover their hair is to go the route of Jewish women who wear fashionable hats and wigs. I have seen a couple of women wear these "fashionable" wigs and I can definitely tell they are wigs, and there is nothing fashionable about that. But do you hear us complaining about it or saying that it makes the Jewish women look ugly? Who cares? It's their choice and I don't really care. I have seen plenty of non-Muslim male interest in hijabi girls at my campus. They don't seem to find that hijab makes them ugly at all.

8 ismail July 11, 2009 at 6:11 pm

Pretty girls are pretty girls, regardless of the hat. But your anecdotal retelling of a wig story was uncalled for and probably stems from your antisemitic outlook.

9 Lemmy July 11, 2009 at 6:12 pm

How about this – Palestinian-American tourist shot dead after cop asks him if he's an Arab – http://www.examiner.com/x-12930-Broward-County-La... Imagine if he'd asked him if he was a Jew… international outcry, dismissal of officer. Instead the officer is merely off-duty for four days… and then comes back to kill again. Where is the coverage? Compare to the Holocaust Museum shooting.

10 seham July 11, 2009 at 6:29 pm

Saleema, Is it wrong for me to assume that the men that take interest in the muhajibas do so out of "compassion and well intentioned orientalism" ? I'm cynical.

11 Strahl July 11, 2009 at 6:51 pm

Witty is being dishonest again as usual. However, I agree with him that to build bridges, both communities need to stand in solidarity against racism and bigotry. However, put these 'stands' in context. It's always going to be political and people often do not say anything because of this. Sometimes when they DO say something – it's still political.

12 Strahl July 11, 2009 at 6:51 pm

Forgot to mention this – we need to get to the point where our denunciations are purely moralistic in nature and not political. We need to espouse universality and humanism.

13 Strahl July 11, 2009 at 7:01 pm

More detailed report with a surveillance video of the shooting: http://www.miamibeach411.com/news/index.php?/news...

14 KatinPhilly July 11, 2009 at 8:39 pm

Adam is talking about the United States. Now who is feigning ignorance here?

15 KatinPhilly July 11, 2009 at 8:50 pm

Many, Richard? Really? Yes, some brave voices, but not enough. I know the choir, and it is not huge. I second Strahl's statement about espousing universality and humanism – too lacking among people of all and no faiths. And Adam is right – there would be more outrage, media coverage, and investigation if this sign targeted Judaism, and it certainly would not be posted again. Also, if Muslims don't get involved the way you think they should when there are comparable anti-Semitic incidents, it's still irrelevant to the story. This is not a tit-for-tat issue, re: "building bridges", for chrissakes. You respond with outrage against racism and bigotry, because it is the right thing to do, period. You don't take into consideration whether the "other side" does it enough or not to be worth your effort.

16 ismail July 11, 2009 at 9:00 pm

It seems that the supposed criminal was identified as an Arab. Had he been identified as a Jew, the officer would have asked.

17 Lemmy July 11, 2009 at 9:22 pm

The video shows the tourist just walking down the street before he is shot dead for being an Arab: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh_UbhhC0Ko This is the United States. Imagine again if a Jew was shot by the police for being a Jew. Would there be national coverage? You bet. Is there any coverage from a national newspaper about this case. No – not a bit. That's Obama's America. Don't let his color fool you – he won because America swapped hating one group (blacks) for another (arabs).

18 Shafiq July 11, 2009 at 9:50 pm

Up until last year, I lived in my own little bubble, not realising how much anti-Muslim and anti-Arab bigotry there was in the world. I only woke up to the reality by accident when doing research for an essay on the War on Terror and Clash of Civilisations thesis, which in turn led me to research the I/P conflict. http://www.westandwithyou.org/

19 ismail July 11, 2009 at 10:14 pm

Adam didn't state that he was talking about the United States. It would seem your assumption makes an ass out of you.

20 ismail July 11, 2009 at 10:16 pm

If he reached for what appears to be a gun, as the Arab had done, he would have been shot. Antisemitism make you speak bullshit?

21 ismail July 11, 2009 at 10:16 pm

You are still in a bubble, full of hate and ignorance.

22 Shafiq July 11, 2009 at 10:24 pm

I thought I asked you to point out exactly when and where I've been anti-Semitic? If I have (which I doubt) I unreservedly apologise.

23 Shafiq July 11, 2009 at 10:28 pm

If you bothered to read the link he provided, you would know he was talking about the United States. But then again, if you did research and read the stuff people write, then you wouldn't sound like such an idiot.

24 EvaSmagacz July 11, 2009 at 10:45 pm

Very good point, Craig. Hijab is a very prominent sign of religious observance. It indicates that female is probably NOT sexually available. It is this sense of pre-emptive rejection that riles. Men know that to get girl in hijab they are probably expected to settle and marry. Catholic nuns wear veils, but at least their rejection of males is universal.

25 syvanen July 11, 2009 at 10:49 pm

Haven't you figured it out yet? Ismail considers any criticism of Israel, by definition, antisemitism.

26 delia ruhe July 11, 2009 at 10:57 pm

"…why are feminist/women's organizations silent about it? " Some American feminists were a little too fast off the mark in condemning the hijab as a signifier of women's oppression without first consulting the women who actually wear it. The current silence is preferable. Binary thinking is a prominent feature of American culture, which means that the hijab had to be either oppressive or progressive. For all their sophisticated postmodernist critique, American feminists could not wrap their brains around the idea that the hijab generates as many meanings as there are women who wear it. It's everything from a signifier of piety to a fashion statement–and every meaning in between, some political, others not. Some of this Western-centric thinking goes on withing feminist organizations in Canada too, although not quite to the extent that it does south of the border. All feminists need to remember is something that Gloria Steinem said way back in the 'seventies, i.e., that women should be able to wear whatever the hell they want to. She had mini-skirts in mind back then, but the same should apply to the hijab. A recent poll revealed that in Britain the hijab signifies "religious difference," while in the U.S. it signifies "terrorism." That may be a contributing factor in American men's fear of it.

27 Lemmy July 11, 2009 at 11:37 pm

what antisemitism? are you a fantasist? do you approve of arabs being murdered because they are arab. it sure sounds like it..

28 Dagon July 12, 2009 at 1:24 am

Damn,everybody is antisemite It's genetic don't you know.

29 Dagon July 12, 2009 at 1:36 am

Shfiq,To them you are born antisemite.No cure for it.Don't take their bait.Just F… them.

30 Saleema July 12, 2009 at 2:29 am

Many non-Muslim men that I know that take interest in muhajibas because, simply put, they like them. That's been my experience. Every once in a while they may ask "dumb" questions about the hijab but it's not because they are being condescending but because they don't understand it. I know a guy who asked my friend out during her freshman year but she explained she couldn't date him. During their senior year he shocked her with a marriage proposal. they got married. They have two kids now and are very happy. The ones that don't like the hijab, well, don't like Muslim too much to begin with anyway.

31 Saleema July 12, 2009 at 2:45 am

Seham, Are you aware of this blog? http://www.hijabstyle.blogspot.com/ If not, I know you will enjoy it. :)

32 Saleema July 12, 2009 at 3:07 am

Here's another blog that I really enjoy. The folowing is the Closet portion of her blog, she delves into other topics, too. http://www.ilovelookinggood.com/ This hijabi girl is really funny and I believe she workd for the Washington Post or some other newspaper. She has quite a few "how to wear hijab" videos and about fashion and Muslim women. She eased her way into hijab by starting out by wearing hats, etc. She was on the college dance team when she started thinking about what it means to be a Muslim and decided she wanted to wear hijab. She's newly married and her blog reflects that. She's totally in love and it's sooooooooo cute. I think she's a very beautiful woman, and whenever i see pretty hijabi girls, I wonder how anyone can claim, like the author on MSN did, that hijab makes women look ugly. Here's another fashion blog by a hijabi: http://www.ilovelookinggood.com/

33 Strahl July 12, 2009 at 8:23 am

ismail is a modern day Nazi, hence he does not see non-(his group; really doesn't matter what it is) as human – so they're expendable.

34 Thom July 13, 2009 at 9:39 pm

No, it's a pretty bad point. A few people don't like Muslims who wear the Hijab because they (the haters) just hate anything different. Most people in America don't care if you wear a Hijab. As long as Muslims don't harass women (Muslim or non-Muslim women) who don't wear the Hijab there's no problem. Of course, when the Mufti of Australia gave a sermon defending gang-rapes of women because they weren't wearing Hijabs, I had a problem with that. Frankly, if you think men don't like an indication that a woman is not sexually available, then you don't know men at all. We love that. I wish all unavailable women would choose to wear some visible sign of it, then I could ignore them and concentrate on the ones who are available. I mean, right now we have the wedding ring and engagement ring, that leaves a lot of women who are in relationships or otherwise unavailable that we find out about when we ask them and they turn us down. Oh, and lesbians are cool too.

Comments on this entry are closed.

Previous post: this makes my heart hurt (what has Zionism done to my people?)

Next post: How Israelis see the Wall vs how the rest of the world sees the Wall