Shimon Peres speaking in Argentina:
"If the Palestinians negotiate this issue with patience and seriousness, they will win what they want. Because we want to have a Palestinian state, because we don’t want to dominate the Palestinians, because we don’t ask for their land," Peres said.
Shimon, everyone knows you don’t "ask" for Palestinian land. You’ve always seemed pretty content to just take it.
Peres also added that Palestinians need to "show that they control their own people" before being allowed to have an independent state.
Update – Netanyahu doesn’t want to be left out. From the Associated Press:
Netanyahu reiterated his call for an immediate resumption of peace talks and criticized the Palestinians for refusing to return to the table.
"I hope the Palestinians answer our calls for negotiations," he said. "The Palestinians have groomed themselves with unrealistic expectations."
they just take the palestinians land… who said anything about asking?? and if they were to ask that wasted opportunity called the usa, all it would say is go ahead and do what you want… that is all the usa has ever said on the i/p issue… pathetic…
Peres is old, but I believe that at least a part of his expression is sincere, that he means it. His bar is rationally high though. To achieve a change from a state of conflict to a state of reconciliation requires actual Israeli security, ACTUAL.
That Fatah is largely delivering rule of law in the occupied territories, should be recognized. It is the present status largely, and residual distrust should be honestly disclosed as residual, not necessarily current.
Netanyahu doesn’t seem to mean it. Hamas doesn’t seem to mean it.
I have seen the Great Father Chief [President Hayes]; the Next Great Chief [Secretary of the Interior]; the Commissioner Chief; the Law Chief; and many other law chiefs [Congressmen] and they all say they are my friends, and that I shall have justice, but while all their mouths talk right I do not understand why nothing is done for my people. I have heard talk and talk but nothing is done. Good words do not last long unless they amount to something. Words do not pay for my dead people. They do not pay for my country now overrun by white men. They do not protect my father’s grave. They do not pay for my horses and cattle. Good words do not give me back my children. Good words will not make good the promise of your war chief, General Miles. Good words will not give my people a home where they can live in peace and take care of themselves. I am tired of talk that comes to nothing. It makes my heart sick when I remember all the good words and all the broken promises. There has been too much talking by men who had no right to talk. Too many misinterpretations have been made; too many misunderstandings have come up between the white men and the Indians. If the white man wants to live in peace with the Indian he can live in peace. There need be no trouble. Treat all men alike. Give them the same laws. Give them all an even chance to live and grow. All men were made by the same Great Spirit Chief. They are all brothers. The earth is the mother of all people, and all people should have equal rights upon it. You might as well expect all rivers to run backward as that any man who was born a free man should be contented penned up and denied liberty to go where he pleases. If you tie a horse to a stake, do you expect he will grow fat? If you pen an Indian up on a small spot of earth and compel him to stay there, he will not be contented nor will he grow and prosper. I have asked some of the Great White Chiefs where they get their authority to say to the Indian that he shall stay in one place, while he sees white men going where they please. They cannot tell me.
I only ask of the Government to be treated as all other men are treated. If I cannot go to my own home, let me have a home in a country where my people will not die so fast. I would like to go to Bitter Root Valley. There my people would be happy; where they are now they are dying. Three have died since I left my camp to come to Washington.
When I think of our condition, my heart is heavy. I see men of my own race treated as outlaws and driven from country to country, or shot down like animals.
I know that my race must change. We cannot hold our own with the white men as we are. We only ask an even chance to live as other men live. We ask to be recognized as men. We ask that the same law shall work alike on all men. If an Indian breaks the law, punish him by the law. If a white man breaks the law, punish him also.
Let me be a free man, free to travel, free to stop, free to work, free to trade where I choose, free to choose my own teachers, free to follow the religion of my fathers, free to talk, think and act for myself — and I will obey every law or submit to the penalty.
Whenever the white man treats the Indian as they treat each other then we shall have no more wars. We shall be all alike — brothers of one father and mother, with one sky above us and one country around us and one government for all. Then the Great Spirit Chief who rules above will smile upon this land and send rain to wash out the bloody spots made by brothers’ hands upon the face of the earth. For this time the Indian race is waiting and praying. I hope no more groans of wounded men and women will ever go to the ear of the Great Spirit Chief above, and that all people may be one people.
–Chief Joseph upon a trip to Washington–1876
Origin of the Christian European discovery law forming the legal basis of the settlement of the USA is the same as the Jewish doctrine forming the legal basis of the settlement of of Palestine–or how things change, yet remain the same:
link to manataka.org
And as I’ve mentioned recently on this blog in another thread, this law was also
what Hitler used to justify his agenda, especially lebensraum.
I am sure there are some in Washington who look on this process in Palestine with a tear of oppressive nostalgia in their eye. Probably more true, they watch it with fear and want it to continue, so they do not have to look or deal with what they have done in the USA with the indigenous population (along with other settler states).
The invocation of “security” is meant to make the Palestinian supposed “savagery” the issue.
Precisely, couldn’t agree more V.
Nevermind the fact that it is Israel that is occupying Palestine with tanks, fighter jets, a fully professional army, and the threat of nuclear weapons.
But somehow… somehow through all of this, it is the Palestinians armed with rocks and at best home made weapons that have to guarantee Israels security.
To achieve a change from a state of conflict to a state of reconciliation requires actual Israeli security, ACTUAL.
What about Palestinian security Richard?
Why do the Palestinians never get any guarantee of security in any peace arrangement in the same way that Israel does?
That Fatah is largely delivering rule of law in the occupied territories, should be recognized.
Hamas has also upheld the law in Gaza. Its Hamas that is arresting people for firing rockets into Israel, its Hamas that abided by every single truce made with Israel.
Netanyahu doesn’t seem to mean it. Hamas doesn’t seem to mean it.
Yes, Netanyahu does not mean it, nor does Peres. Hamas on the other hand already agreed to the 67 borders as a BASIS for a 2 state solution multiple times, created a new charter which removed all anti-Semitic sayings and removed the call for the destruction of the state of Israel, and denounced suicide bombings.
Hamas, the most extreme mainstream Palestinian group has done all that to make peace with Israel. What has Israel done? What has the most “Peace conscious” mainstream Israel party done….?
Oh yea… NOTHING.
“To achieve a change from a state of conflict to a state of reconciliation requires actual Israeli security, ACTUAL.”
The invocation of “security” is meant to make the Palestinian supposed “savagery” the issue. Hell, it does not matter how many times nor how many examples you give of this crap coming from a settler state – it has been going on for hundreds of years, but Witless keeps invoking it. Perhaps you have to treat people who invoke this like you would a puppy, rub their noses in it repeatedly until they get the message and stop verbally defecating in the post area.
So work FOR Palestinian security, as I suggest that Fayyad is doing.
Join his effort.
There are lots of people working for Palestinian security, you Nazi.
It’s not just the puppet your Holocaust religion supports at the moment.
Anyone who even thinks that the deluded Peres means well is as pathetically deluded.
All that make-up that Peres wears WILL NEVER HIDE THE EVIL MONSTER LURKING BEHIND.
We DO NOT FORGET the assault on Qana, Lebanon that Peres ordered in 1986 – which killed 124 women and children standing in line to buy bread at the UN bakery – including two babies whose heads were severed.
Peres is a war criminal who should be arrested immediately!
People wake up to the facts: All Isreali leaders have the blood of innocents on their hands.
lets just categorize netanyahu as a terrorist, something that is done in reverse to hamas regularly….
israel is being run by a terrorist… who whudda thunk??
what i can’t understand is american jews supporting a terrorist…
They took to heart the Nazi lesson, the zero sum game of human strife?
Richard Witty is an American Jew. He calls himself a Liberal. Just reads his commentary on this blog. Pick any entry at random and read. He is symbolic of American Jewry.
citizen – it would appear so…
cliff, that is something i have noted in an ongoing manner… it is like studying a sociopath or something…
On another note, Shmuel, if you are around–what do you think about this attempt in Italy to muzzle criticism of Israel on the internet? Have old time fascists and zionists entered into a partnership?
link to revisionistreview.blogspot.com
And here’s an attempt in England to get beyond the Brit’s own Israel Lobby. What, you thought only the USA had it?
link to sabbah.biz
Oh! Antisemitism!
Shimon Peres is a liar and a good con-man. He was exposed by Turkish prime minister, Erdogan, at World Economic Forum (WEF) in Davos.
WEF – Erdogan, Peres, and Gaza
link to rehmat1.wordpress.com
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Keep your eyes on the prize.
Not on the angers.
But, then again, you’d have to articulate what you regard as “prize”, in some positive terms.
We’ll settle for M L King’s dream come true in the former Mandate. That would be in accord with our values. Now, how about you? What prize are your eyes on that would
result in equal rights for all as the real fact on the ground?
Gee, yeah, because that’s what Zionism was all about, Witty. Putting the Holocaust behind the Jews and re-integrating into European society.