Marty Peretz consults his ouija board, and urges on the Judaization of East Jerusalem:
"I believe that the great rabbi in the skies has not instructed Israel to force history to stand still. So let me be direct: The Palestinians have only themselves to blame on Jerusalem, as on other disputed matters."
and learns some secrets about Obama too:
"He is, as I have said a few times, a third worlder. We will see how America will do with our true friends sidelined. …it is increasingly clear that the president feels more connection to the Palestinians specifically and the Arabs generally than he does to the Israelis (and just possibly more connection to Muslims than to Jews, to Islam than to Judaism and Jewishness.)"
I don’t get it. Seriously. Does Obama have to actually pick up an Uzi and shoot a pregnant Palestinian woman with his own hands before Israel will be satisfied? Or can they not avoid the reflex to hate the dark skinned man in the suit with whom they have to wait until after he leaves the room before telling the racist jokes and snickering, no matter what he does for them?
Does Obama have to actually pick up an Uzi and shoot a pregnant Palestinian woman with his own hands before Israel will be satisfied?
Well, Clinton did boldly claim that he “would personally grab a rifle, get in a ditch, and fight and die” for Israel. So the callousness of the Israelis should across as unsurprising. This Israel First test of allegience has become the de-facto standard from separating the pro-Israeli politicians from the (to use the preferred Israel lobby term) “anti-semites,” so Obama is naturally coming under fire for not being completely subservient to Israeli interests.
As a sidenote, I wonder if Clinton had ever the same statement in regards to America, you know, the country he was the actually the president of?
“‘Well, Clinton did boldly claim that he “would personally grab a rifle, get in a ditch, and fight and die” for Israel.”
That would be the same Clinton who didn’t see fit to fight in the Vietnam war.
Yep, that is he. Clinton, the draft-dodger. Lack of military service seems to have become a condition precedent for leadership in the USA. The few exceptions prove the rule, yes? Shrub and Chaney are two more obvious examples.
And check out the records of all the neocon scribblers and denizens of stink neocon and neolib stink tanks. Of course, there is always Rahm, the Prez’s gate-keeper–didn’t he shoe US A1-Abrams tanks in Iraq, or was it Afghanistan?
Another example of the superiority that the chosen few can often say. They don’t respect the president, but answer to the greater Zionist syndicate.
It could be worse. He couldabeen an orientalist.
So Marty Peretz with all his racism, hatred, lies and banal statements thinks that the Palestinians and Obama are “Third Worlders”. It’s kind of cute that Herr Peretz is under the illusion that he is part of the “first world”.
Perhaps Marty would like to play a little game we call: Are you a Jew with Blond Hair and Blue Eyes?
“I believe that the great rabbi in the skies has not instructed Israel to force history to stand still. So let me be direct: The Palestinians have only themselves to blame on Jerusalem, as on other disputed matters.”
What a vile little man.
We hear this often from the Zionist brown shirts. In the NYT the other day, one woman from LA tried to argue that the reason there is no peace is that the Palestinians refuse to recognize Israel as the Jewish homeland.
I asked her if recognizing Israel as the Jewish homeland would have prevented the illegal settlements being built there, and she dissapeared.
There are some scathing responsive comments to Peretz’s article, many of which paint an accurate picture of him as a senile old fool. I’ll give credit to TNR for letting them stand.
I believe that the great rabbi in the skies has not instructed Israel to force history to stand still.
So is Peretz talking directly to ‘the great rabbi in the skies’ or did he get his information second-hand?
He believes it, marc. And we can’t make fun other people’s beliefs — unless they’re Christian or Muslim fundamentalists. It’s part of the Jewish media rules. Everyone knows that.
Peretz is tribalist first and Democrat second; this makes it clear that he will be faithful to his party only insofar as they are as Zionist as he is. As Peretz told Henry Kissinger, his pacifism [humanity] “stopped at the delicatessen door.”
It’s no wonder the guy has alienated even the Jewish blogging cadre of tomorrow with his special brand of smug, pathetic tribalist vitriol. In fact anti-Zionists probably have no greater ally than Mean Mister Marty–he takes the mask off of “progressive Zionism” and shows what’s underneath: discrimination and cruelty.
Why leave out the guts of his remark?
“The Palestinians have only themselves to blame on Jerusalem, as on other disputed matters. In 2000 and 2001, then-Prime Minister Ehud Barak agreed to a peace that included handing over the Arab neighborhoods of East Jerusalem for the Palestinian capital. (Ehud Olmert made the same offer in 2008). The Arabs always believed that time was on their side, that their reluctance to negotiate and then their reluctance to sign would somehow improve their position.”
Those are the facts that Phil and his crew always deny. The Arabs will reject any offer that doesn’t include 5 million Arabs “returning” to Israel. That’s never going to happen. Unfortunately the Arabs will have to make do with 99.5% of the region.
Those damn dirty Aye-rabs, huh, Julian? How dare they insist to return to the land where they, their parents and their grandparents were born! How dare they insist to live alongside all those immigrants from Europe, the US and Russia!
Are you just frustrated that lynching black people is out of fashion, and now you need a new hobby?
5 million Arabs “returning” to Israel
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Julian,
if you put “returning” in quotes in this context, then you’ve utterly repudiating Israel’s law of return as well, and undermined the very basis of zionism which is predicated on it. This makes you either an anti-zionist or a hypocritical narcissist.
This makes you either an anti-zionist or a hypocritical narcissist.
We Americans love multiple choice questions, particularly when there are only two options. I choose B, Sky: Julian is a hypocritical narcissist. Is that the right answer?
I think he’s an Aryan, anti-Semitic, anti-Zionist posing as an über-obnoxious Zionist so as to foment hatred of Israel (and perhaps Jews more generally).
“‘Why leave out the guts of his remark?”‘
Because it’s all a lie anyway.
In 2000 and 2001, then-Prime Minister Ehud Barak offered a deal that both he and Clinton knew was grossly inadequate, which is why they persuaded Arafata to meet again at Tabba, where they introduced new parameters. Israei foreign minister, Shlomo Ben Ami, who was incvolved in the Camp David talks, stated that had he been a Palestinian, he too would have rejected the offer.
Both leaders agrreed to the parameters and delcared they would have reached a politicla settlement had they more time. It was Barak that cllaed off the talks early to focus on the elections.
Ehud Olmert’s offer, which he had no chance in hell of deliveing on, made no mention of the status of Jerusalem.
”Unfortunately the Arabs will have to make do with 99.5% of the region. ”
Correction. That’s 99.5% of 22% of what they are entitled to under international law.
Zionist Jews are famous for their self-denial….
“Under Obama’s engagement with friend and foe alike – diplomatic advances were expected to flow like wine. Instead, friends disregarded US pleas and released Megrahi, and foes received the convicted terrorist with fanfare,” – John Bolton, the former USrael ambassador at the UN – London’s Daily Telegraph. I bet the Crypto-Jew would not like to mention how many times the ‘the best friend (Israel)’ has told America to ‘go to hell’ when Washington asked Tel Aviv to do something which is in the interests of the US but not in Israel’s intersts?
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Marty says: “The Palestinians have only themselves to blame on Jerusalem, as on other disputed matters.” I have always felt the same way. The Palestinians could have avoided this whole mess by becoming the first and only people in the history of the world to voluntarily self-ethnically cleanse from their homeland in favor of a new immigrant population. Just another example proving Abba Eban’s point about Arabs never missing an opportunity to miss an opportunity.
And it also just goes to show how superior Jews are to Palestinians, David. They were able to be in exodus for thousands and thousands of years, with nary a kvetch, while the Palestinians can’t even cope with a measly 6 decades of murder, torture, and dispossession. I don’t want to look like a social Darwinist but at some point, you have to wonder if it’s just a case of better genes. Wonder what Marty thinks.
Perhaps we’re being a bit too harsh on the Palestinians. The Jewish people may have verklempt for the first several decades of exile, and only adapted after centuries.
Actually, while we’re trading jokes here, I think there is something to this theory. I think that the Israeli leadership tries to delay and postpone any resolution for as long as possible, hoping that as one generation dies out, the next will be more accetping of their inevitable fate. They’ve gotten away with it for 42 (or 62) years, and every year they can stretch it out leads to another decade and normalization of an obscene arrangement.
Actually, Mr. Samel, there is an oft-forgotten precedent to what you are describing.
These were the people that Christopher Columbus originally met on his voyage across the Atlantic, incidentally. Ah, the fruits of European colonialism!
TNR, the first word in their name is “The”. ’nuff said.
While one can disagree (and more) with Peretz’s point insofar as it simply (and as at least partially intended) claims that might makes right, I think that there’s some merit to the idea that smart makes right too and the Palestinians have been dumb/corrupt and have only themselves to blame to a degree.
Look again at the corrupt contradiction of the U.S.’s position: Somehow while condemning all the settlements and occupation as illegal, the PA hasn’t insisted that the U.S. live up to its own position as regards same via agreeing that all settlement expansion stop before talks begin. And look at this most recent kerfuffle: Has anyone heard a word from the PA condemning Biden/the U.S. for objecting merely to the *timing* of Israel’s announcement of this new expansion?
In short, isn’t there a limit to the degree one sympathizes with the Pal’s when they refuse to avail themselves of their obviously legitimate complaints? For decades now the U.S. has been running around essentially being *accepted* as a fair broker, even though by the words of damn near every administration it has noted that it’s really not. And the rest of the world essentially knows this. So how come the Palestinians haven’t used this like a cudgel? Instead they keep showing up, at Wye, at Camp David, standing next to Mitchell or whomever we send, smiling, and the rest of the world, no matter how sympathetic to the Pal’s it might be, is left saying (with unimpeachable logic and validity) “Well hell, how can one stand up and insist on either true fairness on the part of the U.S. or another mediator when the Palestinians themselves accept the U.S. as it is?”
After all this time, and after all that time has meant in terms of an utterly routine and even remorseless routing of the the Palestinian position, and an utterly routine series of the U.S. failing to be fair and instead being the Israeli’s lawyer in all the various talks that have gone on, there’s something deeply deeply rotten in the PA and indeed in the Palestinian citizenry itself to have kept going along with this.
You can sympathize only so much for someone who is on a leaking ship but refuses to pick up a bucket.
Haven’t we discussed this. The PA are Israel/USA/Yurp’s “moderate” stooges.
As for the Palestinians not helping themselves: You speak like someone not bothered by heat-seeing drones or midnight visits by the Gestapo.
All of this is why Hamas came into power and has been repressed with such brutality by the Fatah elements, on behalf of themselves as much as of Israel.
Right now, an effective leader could make all the difference for Palestine, but instead they have the Quisling, who would sell out his people for a bowl of revenge.
Yeah but has *Hamas* actually come out and renounced the U.S. as a broker? I don’t recall seeing this.
Absolutely agree with your point though that *especially* right now when the EU has been getting more and more involved and so has Russia that an effective leader could indeed make some difference. (Maybe not “all”, but some.) At least so far as I can see the EU is saying unequivocally and absolutely that the start of any talks begins with restoring the status quo ante before the ’67 war, period.
Seems to me interesting to note that it is when that is deviated from and these “peace” talks are being bantered around the Israeli public just gets ever *more* aggressive: It’s like … well sure, when there’s no fixed starting point or standard from which to start and that forms a fixed parameter, why shouldn’t anything go? Why shouldn’t they support annexing East Jerusalem?
But when there’s *no* talks in the air, reality again intrudes and you see a swing in the Israeli body politic to reality just from exhaustion, and a very much more critical eye it fixes on its settlers because they know damn well that the fundamental cause of things is precisely those folks moving out onto that land grabbed in ’67.
It’d be worth its weight in gold for the Pal’s to just absolutely refuse to negotiate until Israel agrees to accept that the starting point for same be the status quo existing prior to ’67. After all that’s what the international community has agreed is right, so why the hell give up that huge card and indeed let it be forgotten by the world as time goes by via agreeing to anything lesser as a starting point?
Notice the tacit bigotry (in addition to the explicit): “the president feels more connection to the Palestinians specifically and the Arabs generally than he does to the Israelis.”
So Israelis do not include Palestinians — even those who are legally citizens of Israel. That is the standard Netanyahu/Lieberman racist line. Palestinians, or any who are not Jewish, cannot be Israeli.
Talking about “Arabist” – there another Arabist by the name of Kevin Barrette PhD, who has been banned by Israel-firsters to teach at any US college or University – because he doesn’t believe that Muslims were behind the 9/11 tragedy.
“If the American people understood that the top officials of their own government had orchestrated the destruction of the World Trade Center and murder of thousands of Americans in pusuit of a criminal agenda, they would certainly rise up in rebellion and turn their nation’s policies 180 degree away from that criminal agenda,” Kevin Barrett PhD in his book Truth Jihad: My Epic Struggle Against the 9/11 Big Lie.
link to rehmat1.wordpress.com
“If the American people understood that the top officials of their own government had orchestrated the destruction of the World Trade Center and murder of thousands of Americans in pusuit of a criminal agenda, they would certainly rise up in rebellion and turn their nation’s policies 180 degree away from that criminal agenda,”
I’m bginning to seriously doubt that. I thought the. American people would rise up over being lied into war, torture, wire tsps, corruption, Wall St bailouts being used to pay bonuses etc etc, but they didn’t. I think the American public has been so dumbed down and anesthatised, that they will accept anything. Republican , who prided themselves on fighting terrorism not only got away with suggesting we needed another 9/11 to keep us safe, but continue to get away with claiming the mantle of bring experts on keepig America safe.
I wouldn’t be surprised that if a cabal had been behind 9/11, they’d probably be given credit for doing what was necessary to alert Americsns tithe threats they face.