The Israeli rape-by-deception verdict

Zionism is powerful enough to change the definition of rape.

I'm annoyed by the lack of discussion in the media --even by those who are friendly to Palestinians, about last week's rape by deception verdict. The LA Times and NYT's covered it in their blogs but that was about it.  I checked to see if any Israeli women's organizations had beef with the verdict and found none. 

We all know that meandering Jewish men aren't going to jail for rape when they have extramarital affairs, no matter how pissed their wives are.  So, what I really want to know is this:  what do Zionists learn in their schools that empowers this type of entitled, racist attitude, where a woman can admit she had consensual sex with a stranger minutes after meeting him and then cry rape and demand he be jailed because she's disgusted that she had sex with an Arab?

Anyway, I inadvertently bought coffee from someone who turned out to be an Israeli this morning.  I feel cheated, like he stole the money out of my pocket, even though I actually handed it to him.  But I wouldn't have spent a nickel in his store if I knew he was Israeli.  He should have identified himself to me first, I was robbed.

Does anyone know a shady lawyer?

Posted in Israel/Palestine

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  1. How do you say “Emmett Till” in Hebrew?

  2. potsherd says:

    Seham, I’ve seen more discussion of this item than of most examples of racism in Israel. Which is to say, some rather than none.

  3. hayate says:

    When it comes to Muslims, any pretext to put them in prison will do in israel. The lack of objection from the zionist american media is understandable, they probably agree with israel – even if they don’t want to say so publicly. Even if they don’t agree, most see criticism of israeli policy as counter to israel’s interests, so they prefer to keep quiet.

  4. eljay says:

    >> High Court Justice Elyakim Rubinstein said a conviction of rape should be imposed any time a “person does not tell the truth regarding critical matters to a reasonable woman, and as a result of misrepresentation she has sexual relations with him.”

    If a person’s Jewishness or lack thereof is a “critical matter”, then that woman is not “reasonable”.

    I wonder if this test of “reasonability” will also apply to Jews who misrepresent themselves as non-Jews. Probably not.

    “Remember the Holocaust!”

    • RoHa says:

      “the truth regarding critical matters ”

      Hmmn.

      “Of course I’ll respect you in the morning.”

      “Don’t worry. You won’t get pregnant.”

      “It’s just a heat rash.”

      “No, it doesn’t make your bum look big.”

  5. Mooser says:

    “what do Zionists learn in their schools….”

    I thought these things, attitudes towards sex and ethnicity, were mostly learned at home.

  6. hayate says:

    When one thinks about it, there have been several black men in the usa who represented themselves as white over the years. One wrote a book about his experiences, I forget his name, though. What if one of these guys was prosecuted in a case similar to this israel one (because he mislead a white woman about the fact he wasn’t white, but black). It’s very easy to imagine the outrage it would generate. Black men were hanged for less in the jim crow american south.

    I make this point to not only show that israel is equivalent to the jim crow american south, that’s been obvious a long time, but to show that american media have reverted to those days with respect to coverage of persecution of Muslims. The zionist run american media is now back to the point of prejudicial views they had during the most racist days of american segregation. The difference is it’s Muslim people now who are the victims.

    This is what zionist control of the media has done. It has brought back the worst of the american prejudices of the jim crow days and again promoted them and made them mainstream in american society. That is fully what zionism, inc. intended to do from the very start. Because of zionism, the usa is rapidly reverting back to the days of before the 1960′s.

    • potsherd says:

      This is another example that the African-American community needs to be paying attention to.

      • hayate says:

        I think they are. I’m going to generalise here. Of all the american “groups”, my personal experience shows that black people are the strongest doubters in america. The least hoodwinked.

        You wont find such a view in the zionist media, or among the coconuts [s]elected to office in the usa (by aipac & co.) – with some exceptions, though.

  7. virtual lab says:

    Don’t you holocaust me, ..look at those udders, breeding does miracles with livestock

    • What is that supposed to mean?

      • Mooser says:

        Don’t you wish you knew? If you weren’t udderly stupid and all the girls you know udder failures, you might cud have it explained to you.
        Remember Max, to err is human, but to forgive, bovine! Don’t be cowed Max, it’s no bull, and we wouldn’t steer you wrong.

        • MRW says:

          to err is human, but to forgive, bovine!

          Priceless. LOL.

        • Mooser please stop with the personal comments, that is more than enough. You know that violates the comments policy so I want to formally ask you to not insult me personally and focus on the issues.

        • Mooser says:

          Aw, whatsammater bubele, is your little Zionist feelings hurt? Good to know that all the Palestinians have to do is make “personal comments” and the Zionists will whimper and plead for mercy.

          Now get this straight, dumbass: I can’t make any “personal comments” about you. I don’t know you! All I know about you is what you, voluntarily, and of your own ziocaine-addled will, post here. If you don’t want it discussed or commented on, don’t mention it. Fair enough?

          But I do understand, it’s all that persecution, 2000 years worth. It just makes a guy so particular and sensitive to what somebody might say about them. You get used to being catered to, don’t you?

        • Mooser says:

          “Priceless. LOL”

          Actually, it was a bargain. All I had to do was change one word in an SJ Perleman title (“To Err is Human, to Forgive, Supine”)

        • Mooser says:

          But that’s what I do: cast Perelman before Zionist swine.

        • MRW says:

          Mooser, I howled at this one. You are on a roll. Maximilious doesn’t seem to know who you are.

          Hey Max, Mooser is the Mondoweiss Mascot. You haven’t been here long enough to know that. Get rid of Mooser? Tell him to stop? We’d rather cut our legs off. Why, some weekends we cry out for him to return from wherever he’s dropping his bombs to deal with likes of you. Mooser IS the comments policy. Deal with it.

        • MRW says:

          Yours was better than Perelman’s. way better.

        • Mooser says:

          Well, he used “supine” for a reason I don’t recall in the title of his piece, but I needed a cow joke. Oh Lordy, how I wish he was still alive, active, and able to turn his sights on Israel! Good gravy, he would have milled the hell out of that grist!

          I have longed to talk to Zionists as if they were grown-ups, and not spoiled children, for thirty years or more. And when Max and WJ beg me not to make “personal” remarks I know I am on the right track.
          As I said, making “personal” remarks implies that I know facts about people (like their real names, where they live, who they work for, marital status, criminal history etc.) and reveal them on the web, facts they are entitled to keep private. This is not the case, I have never met nor do I know anything at all “personal” about Witty, WJ, Max, or the rest. Everything I know about them comes from the information given, or very easily deconstructed from their comments.

          Although “a shit for christ” is pretty good, there is one “personal ” remark made about me by “Zoltan Newberry” at Greenwald’s that I treasure, and have instructed my wife to have it engraved on my tombstone. Please forgive me if I repeat it, but I get such nachos from it:
          Not every Jew is a doctor, lawyer or Nobel Prize-winner. There are some Jews who have never learned anything but how to crack a joke, roll a joint, or kick-start a motorcycle. Mooser is such a Jew”
          I mean, what a jerk! Motocycles haven’t had kick-starters for years!

          Thanks for the kind words, Chaos, but I am subject to the same comments policy as anybody else. If I violate it, I will suffer the consequences, just like anybody else.

        • Mooser says:

          “Thanks for the kind words, Chaos, “

          Sorry, I meant MRW, of course. I went to look up that quote, moved around the page, and got confused.
          Thanks for the kind words, MRW.

  8. virtual lab says:

    Reasonable woman?

    On that rare occasion etiquette indicates, briefly tip the hat before one copulates

  9. David Samel says:

    “Does anyone know a shady lawyer?”

    At your service.

  10. Does anyone know a shady lawyer?

    “Hey Alan, get ova here, somebody needs da special treatment!”

  11. The author feels disgusted after buying from a Jew.

    I feel disgusted after reading that.

    What did the coffee-seller do that was so bad except being a Jew. Actually its interesting, isn’t the Helen Thomas “Jews go Home” what you want? but STILL you are disgusted from buying from a Jew?

    Truly Truly unethical, immoral, and downright evil.

    • David Samel says:

      max, I might have written the same thing that you did, but in a lame effort to be funny. You seem quite serious. Are you really unaware that Seham was mocking the Israeli rape verdict with a tall tale of a similar nature? Is your sense of humor so underdeveloped? And you complain about being moderated? You should be banned altogether for inexcusable misinterpretation. Besides, Seham has accepted my offer of Jewish legal representation, and promised to pay me one-third of his recovery as my fee. I hope the cup of coffee was expensive.

      • In fact I think that you should be moderated instead. I never saw one story on here about the International Pro Palestinian Activist that was very close to being raped by a Palestinian Activist last month. Did I miss it? If so point me to the link I want to view the comments.

        Here is the story.

        link to haaretz.com

      • Seham says:

        David did you take my “ha!” as acceptance of your offer? I like your aggressive ways but I’m a she not a he.

        • David Samel says:

          Seham, my sincere apologies. I don’t get out much, and am not well-acquainted with foreign names, and have not paid proper attention if your gender was previously revealed. You bet I took “ha” as a yes. Most of my clients say “no.” By the way, you were kidding about the coffee, right? I’d look pretty foolish if you weren’t.

        • Seham says:

          Yeah, was kidding. Two things I can’t bring myself to buy: coffee and water.

        • Mooser says:

          For me it’s cable. I pay to have garbage hauled away, not piped in.

        • hayate says:

          Yeah, I had hopes for cable about 15 years ago. Like most everything else in capitalistia, those hopes turned out to be false hopes based upon unwarranted optimism.

        • “Two things I can’t bring myself to buy: coffee and water.”

          For me it’s toilet paper. Why should I when I can get the neighbour’s discarded ” Daily Telegraph”, a Murdoch paper?…(Or is it Merdoch? Not quite sure..)

          Ok, sorry for being a bit off, butt…

        • hayate says:

          TGIA

          Install a bidet.

          ;D

        • hayate says:

          Seham

          “Two things I can’t bring myself to buy: coffee and water.”

          Not buying the former is considered antisemitic and grounds for a general coffee house banning. Not buying the later is communistic and signifies defiance of the capitalist way.

          I’m surprised maxine wasn’t all over you for these very serious breaches of the zioestablished order. Afterall, the critter once introduced itself as:

          “Throughout the history of America, there have been many successful revolutions that never heard a shot fired. We must accept our roles as the leaders and front-line stormtroopers in what is nothing less than a cultural revolution. We must liberate our great nation from the left-wing elitists who control her. Our foes are well-entrenched in the news media, Hollywood, the teachers’ unions and our government. Our weapons are the ballot box, our voices, our pens and, more and more, our computers and the Internet. Our ammunition is the plain, unvarnished truth. It does them a lot of damage and there’s plenty to go around. FIRE AWAY! And you don’t have to wait until you see the whites of their eyes.”

          :D

        • “Install a bidet.”

          Oh, but we had one in Paris. We never used it for what it was meant for, only to soak and wash some dirty socks and such..BTW, it’s becoming something of the past as the need for it has disappeared..

    • eljay says:

      >> The author feels disgusted after buying from a Jew.

      What the author actually wrote is: “Anyway, I inadvertently bought coffee from someone who turned out to be an Israeli this morning.”

      I feel disgusted after reading your lie. Truly unethical, immoral, and downright evil. Not to mention destabilizing. I mean, who but a racist would dare to assume that all Israelis are Jews?

    • Mooser says:

      I love Max, I mean, who else puts the whole ziocaine syndrome right out there for everyone to see. Most of them you only see during the “high” or “manic” phase. The whiny paranoia, the cringing, the self-pity that follows they try to hide. But not my Max. With Max, you get the whole schmear.
      I wonder if he would be willing to volunteer for a clinical study. He could save many, many lives if we find an anti-dote. I’ll call it ziodone.

      • Mooser your personal comments again cross the line

        • “Mooser your personal comments again cross the line”

          I didn’t know one could sniff it too..(Don’t bother trying to understand what I meant Maxim dear, you’d waste your time)

        • Mooser says:

          Once again, in case you think you can fool a new reader. I don’t know you, I have no personal information about you, and cannot make “personal” comments about you. I only know what you wish me to know about you because you offer it here.
          You are so screwed as soon as you lose complete control over the narrative. You don’t want your sorry self reacted to, don’t come around.
          If you think you can control people’s reactions to you, you need to find another world to live in. And I have no idea if you are Jewish, in fact, I tend to think (and hope) not.

        • Mooser is an expert in being an internet shit. no one can play him. for his sake i hope he’s on the right side. this way at least he’s being a shit for christ. otherwise he’s being a shit for shit.

        • Mooser says:

          Reported, “for his sake i hope he’s on the right side. this way at least he’s being a shit for christ. otherwise he’s being a shit for shit.”

          Sure, no lines crossed there!

        • Mooser says:

          “this way at least he’s being a shit for christ.”

          Now do you see why I don’t need any “personal” information about you besides what you give me, freely?

        • Mooser says:

          “Mooser your personal comments again cross the line”

          Which line is that, Maxy dear? The “shit for christ” line, as WJ says?

        • Saleema says:

          WJ,

          That’s very insulting to Muslims. Leave Christ out of it. He didn’t do anything to you.

    • “The author feels disgusted after buying from a Jew.”

      People like you should be fed grass and straw!
      Now, is it really possible to be that moronic? Is it possible to be so bereft of the tiniest particle of the faintest sense of humor? A French author, George Picard, wrote a book “De La Connerie” (On Being A C#nt (Stupid)) ..It took him years and a lot of research to come to some understanding of this bewildering condition that MaximalistNuttery is suffering from..What a privilege to have such a fine sample over here..

  12. Bumblebye says:

    Um, Seham, I just noticed you used “meandering” when it should have been “philandering”. :D

  13. Seham says:

    Bumble, I meant wandering but either one will work!

  14. virtual lab says:

    MN: What is that supposed to mean?

    “Um die Rasse rein zu züchten” makes sense to some people, when it concerns animals, with people though understandable the wish may be, it has almost been proven to be a fallacy if not racist arrogance

  15. virtual lab says:

    Lareineblanche, enchanté de vous connaitre,
    Est-ce que vous etes propiétere d’un chien méchant?

  16. Tuyzentfloot says:

    This story of Dudu lying with his name reminds me of another story of Sayed Kashua link to haaretz.com , about his failed attempt to lie with a haircut. A quote

    This state of affairs was really getting to me and upsetting my daily life. I couldn’t bear the thought that my national affiliation was recognizable by my appearance. Good God! – How low had I sunk? The thought that I looked like an Arab was killing me. I was being recognized? Me? – The master of disguise, the wizard of assimilation, the man who concealed his identity with thick layers of Hebrew makeup?

    It’s an interesting measure of racism: the efforts people go through to blend in. i recall a black person (from the UK) telling that on the phone he made sure his accent wouldn’t betray his background.

    So how much racism is there in the story that leads up to the nickname Dudu? I am thinking about racism here but not when someone from Korea or Taiwan has both an english and a korean or chinese name(maybe erroneously).

    It would have been interesting if the woman in the story above had accused Dudu to have deceived her with his haircut.

    • azythos says:

      tuyzendfloot – Forget the haircut. The logical step now is to introduce a distinctive sign to be worn at all times by all non-Jews.

      Only, it won’t be yellow and it won’t be a star, that’s for sure. So that we can’t draw certain parallels.

      • Tuyzentfloot says:

        azythos(funny name, something with no alcohol?) , it’s an interesting question to start with acknowledging that you can’t impose the use of the distinctive sign., and then ask how you would tackle the problem.

    • Avi says:

      When it comes to racism, sometimes it’s hard to distinguish reality from fiction.

      It would have been interesting if the woman in the story above had accused Dudu to have deceived her with his haircut.

      You weren’t far off.

      One of the stereotypes Israelis have of Arabs is that they have mustaches. During the 1950s, 60s and well into the 1970s, Israel had these volunteer troops known as Haga, the Hebrew acronym for Civil Defense. Haga members were stationed at various locations, from train stations to central bus terminals and so on. They had the authority to question anyone, but they mostly harassed — you guessed it — Arabs.

      It was common then, as it is common these days, that anyone with a mustache was assumed to be an Arab. So, those who wanted to blend in shaved their mustaches.

      I actually recall a short film that dealt with such stereotypes. I believe it was made in the 1980s, the film was aptly called Safam (Hebrew for Mustache). It told the story of an Israeli Palestinian who worked in Tel-Aviv and was in love with a Jewish gal.

      And so, on the day when he was supposed to go out with her, having been set up on a blind date, he realized that his mustache would give him away. Fearing rejection due to his “nationality” (A euphemism for ethnicity, e.g. Arab), he buys shaving cream and a razor blade. But, absent a mirror, he had no idea what to do. So the camera shows him kneeling in front of one of the side mirrors of a car in a parking lot.

      He shaves his mustache and frantically makes his way to meet his date.

      When he arrives, almost out of breath, she asks him, “How are you, what happened to you are you OK?”

      “Of course”, he replies.

      She then points to some shaving cream left on his cheek and asks, “What’s that?”

      As he wipes it off with his finger he replies, “What? This? Oh, it’s just ice cream, I had some earlier”. He licks it off and pretends as though it was indeed ice cream.

      And that’s how the tragic, surreal reality of racism, can also be a comedy, one that must be seen to be believed.

      • Avi says:

        Just to clarify,

        The man in the film was in love with her from a distance, if you will.

        Before she met him, she didn’t know him. He saw her from a distance on several occasions, having worked at the restaurant that’s in the same neighborhood where she lives. And that’s how he ended up on a (semi) blind date with her.

      • Tuyzentfloot says:

        Your story fits perfectly Avi. One could point out that this effort to hide all features that might give your ‘belonging to a group’ away is only a measure of perceived racism, which is not the same as actual racism. And I agree.

        But then I would use the tendency to use this observation to try and deny the presence of racism, as a measure for disingenuousness :)

  17. hophmi says:

    So maybe, Seham, you can be honest and admit that this had nothing to do with race and everything to do with precedent, since at least one Jewish Israelis has been convicted of exactly the same thing for misrepresenting himself in order to get a women into bed.

    link to haaretz.com

    • Seham says:

      Hophmi,

      From your link:

      In the past, men who misrepresented themselves in this way were convicted of fraud.

      One such case was that of Eran Ben-Avraham, who told a woman he was a neurosurgeon after which she had sex with him, and was convicted of three counts of fraud.

      The other example:

      In 2008, the High Court of Justice set a precedent on rape by deception, rejecting an appeal of the rape conviction by Zvi Sleiman, who impersonated a senior official in the Housing Ministry whose wife worked in the National Insurance Institute. Sleiman told women he would get them an apartment and increased NII payments if they would sleep with him.

      There’s a difference between impersonating government officials and promising financial incentives to keep someone having sex with you (though I don’t believe that to be rape either) and with telling the broad you just met 15 minutes earlier that your name is Dudu, which happens to be a Jewish name. And apparently, even his wife called him Dudu, so he wasn’t really lying about his name, seems like the only thing he lied about was being married. And that’s not what this case is about.

      She, by the way, never asked the Arab if he was Arab. He never promised anything. And the whole nonsense about her looking for a husband is a load of crap. You don’t look for a husband by shacking up with someone 15 minutes after meeting him on the roof of a building.

      She felt used and dirty only after she found out that she was promiscuous with an Arab. Hopefully next time she can keep her legs together long enough to find out if the men she throws herself on meet her racist criteria.

      …When you spoke, did you tell her you’re Jewish?

      “No, I said I’m Dudu and didn’t explain whether I’m Jewish or Arab. I did say I’m single. I don’t deny this. If I said I was married, perhaps she would not have sex with me.”

      However, as it turned out, the woman was not fully honest either. Only during the trial, Kashour’s lawyer at the time discovered information about her past which she sought to hide. The woman’s testimony was also problematic, and as result the indictment was changed from forceful rape to consensual rape. That is, the acts were undertaken with the woman’s consent, but she was deceived.
      link to ynetnews.com

      • hophmi says:

        With all due respect, this is the kind of typical back and forth that goes on in every criminal case, particularly rape cases. The defendant denies the act and tries to smear the victim.

        Predictably, you are trying to make a racial thing out of it. It’s simply not, and had a Jewish guy tried to have sex with an Arab woman claiming he’s Arab, he’d be in exactly the same position.

        This may be a bad law from a criminal law standpoint, but it has nothing to do with race.

      • hophmi says:

        You said: “Zionism is powerful enough to change the definition of rape.”

        It’s patently untrue. The law has nothing to do with Zionism, and you know it.

        • hayate says:

          Jesus, you really have nothing to say, hophead.

        • hophmi says:

          The truth hurts, doesn’t it, hayate?

          Here’s some free advice: If you’re going to defend the Palestinians, criticizing Israeli policies on rape is probably not the way to do it.

        • Mooser says:

          “The law has nothing to do with Zionism, and you know it.”

          No it doesn’t, does it. And can you blame it? Zionism wants very little to do with it.

        • hayate says:

          Not everyone is in favour of rape, like you hophead. You’ll find that out, eventually.

        • hayate says:

          hophead

          You strike one as the type who would have defended the murder of Tom Robinson in the novel “To Kill a Mockingbird”, had this fictional story been instead real and taken place in israel.

        • hophmi says:

          So because I argue that a rape-by-deception law is not race-based and demonstrate it with facts, I’m “in favour of rape?”

          You’re funny.

          Go bother someone who cares.

        • hophmi says:

          “You strike one as the type who would have defended the murder of Tom Robinson in the novel “To Kill a Mockingbird”, had this fictional story been instead real and taken place in israel.”

          You strike me as someone who can’t tell the difference between your face and your ass.

          Try, just try, to focus on facts rather than invective and nonsense.

          The law has been applied to Jews and Arabs. It is not race-based.

  18. RE: “The Israeli rape-by-deception verdict”
    DEAR PENTHOUSE: Help, I’ve been raped! I went over to Emory to do some exotic legal research in their very over-rated law library. I took a little break from my intense xerography and walked to a nearby Starbucks to refresh myself with an overpriced Frappuccino® blended beverage.
    I was sitting out front counting all of the Beemers ingressing and egressing the main entrance to Emory when a foxy, young, college chick approached me (Abercrombie does it every time) and asked if I could possibly jump her. Since I have a Monster cable, I said “why certainly” using my best Curly the stooge imitation (chicks love that). So, I gave Kristen the rest of my Frappuccino® and went to get my late-model Beemer.
    In no time I had my Monster® jumper cable all hooked up to Kirsten’s Toyota Corolla and I suggested that we let my Beemer idle for ten minutes or so to get a good charge on her DieHard. She said that might be a good idea since the car was a loaner from the place that was detailing her 750Li Beemer, and the Toyota had a propensity for stalling when the a/c was on and she braked too hard. Then she nonchalantly added that the ten minutes would also give us enough time for a quickie in the Starbucks unisex restroom.
    I was a bit wary of the whole idea because she seemed just a bit too aggressive in a sort of “Fatal Attraction” way; so I said that unfortunately I didn’t have any protection with me because my buds kept “borrowing” them from my stash in the glove box. “You’re in luck canteen boy, I have plenty unless you’re allergic to latex”, she cooed. Canteen boy? Well, I didn’t want to offend her (or for her to get the wrong idea about me), and doing manly things like working on cars always gets me a bit ‘sexed up’ (as she had apparently noticed judging from her fixation on my Abercrombie cargoes). And after all, she did have a ‘late model’, high-end Beemer!
    Well, as it turned out, she got a good 30 minute charge on her DieHard, and there was a line of people waiting to use the facilities when we finally left whilst jabbering loudly about how difficult it had been getting the Frappuccino® stain out of her shorts.
    Things seemed fine until Kiersten pulled out onto the street and I noticed a current Emory parking permit on the back window of the Toyota. I committed the ID on the New Jersey license plate to memory long enough to make a memo of it on my cell.
    Long story short (as Nancy Grace likes to say), the Toyota was registered to Kersten!
    “Everybody knows” there is absolutely no way I would have gotten it on with her had I known she didn’t have a Beemer. I do occasionally waive that for otherwise exceptional prospects, but I considered her to be just so-so; and the restroom was somewhat cramped despite its being handicap accessible. Ergo, it was indisputably a case of rape-by-deception and I want to see her do beaucoup hard time! Not only that, but my back is killing me and my Chiropractor says it looks really serious and the injury undoubtedly occurred when she took advantage of me (weakened by her deception) in the Starbucks restroom. I’m not about to let her get away with this. I feel like a used and abused piece of meat. What am I, chopped liver?

    P.S. I don’t mean to make light of ‘sex crimes’, but I really wonder where we’re headed with this rape-by-deception. If someone lies by denying they have a serious sexually transmitted disease, that’s one thing….
    For the time being I think it is advisable to completely abstain unless both (or all, if that’s your gig) parties have signed and properly executed a professionally prepared (forget Robert Shapiro and legalzoom) conjugal contract.
    As for me, I’m thinking about specializing in Conjugal Law. I foresee hiring paralegals to drive vans with little offices out to the parking lots at the various “meat markets” to provide pre-conjugal counseling and conjugal contract preparation/execution (and perhaps post-conjugal counseling during the wee hours in the parking lots at Dennys, Waffle House, IHOP, etc).
    Ultimately, the solution might be to neuter all babies at birth and get rid of this whole sex thing. Before long, we won’t even know what we’re what we’re missing. Anyway, it’s all so dreadfully plebeian.
    We’ll just leave birthing babies to the labs that will use DNA from the “parents” to clone the little tykes. A new day is dawning!

    • Mooser says:

      “Ultimately, the solution might be to neuter all babies at birth and get rid of this whole sex thing. “

      Maybe that’s why my Mom let the mohel get so smashed before he did me. When my sister got married, she refused to have her child circ’ed, since she knew what they did to me.
      Sure it’s embarassing as hell to talk about, but if I can save one Jewish boy-child from going through what I’ve gone through, it’ll be worth it!
      Keep the mohel away from the slivovitz!

      • hayate says:

        I remember quite clearly from my youth: “The axe! The axe!” screamed in anguish (can that be done?) periodically in the neighbourhood…..

        • hayate says:

          Though, a few years later, the French invented the guillotine and head-lopping became less of an art form and more of an industrial process.

        • Mooser says:

          Instead of telling kids about the “birds and bees”, they should tell ‘em about the Praying Mantis. “Safe sex”? There’s no such thing!

        • hayate says:

          Mooser

          ““Safe sex”? There’s no such thing!”

          I see, one who got married…. ;D

        • Mooser says:

          I don’t see how being married makes much difference. My wife is ten years younger than me.

        • hayate says:

          “Mooser July 27, 2010 at 1:39 am

          “I don’t see how being married makes much difference. My wife is ten years younger than me.”

          Hey, most of my victims have been, like 10 years or so older. Although that trend has mostly reversed itself in the last few decades due to personal prejudice, and doc certification requirements… ;D)

          “Instead of telling kids about the “birds and bees”, they should tell ‘em about the Praying Mantis. “Safe sex”? There’s no such thing!”

          The praying mantis eats its mate’s head as they copulate. Not a very positive example for human sexual relations, I would venture to say. But insects have their own thing going, and if it works for them, well…

          Not exactly human, though, init.

        • Mooser says:

          “The praying mantis eats its mate’s head as they copulate.”

          So insect sex is like a junior high make-out session. See what I mean?
          And don’t forget, my wife shot her first husband.

        • hayate says:

          Most wives prefer to shoot only the first husband, so you should be OK.

        • Mooser says:

          He lived, and she got off. It was a woman judge, and my wife-to-be explained that she didn’t fire because he didn’t get the garbage can out to the curb in time, but because he claimed the truck would come back for it(!) and that was too much.
          The judgess just nodded and said “Men! They’re all the same! Case dismissed!”
          What can you do?

      • Tuyzentfloot says:

        I saw a horror movie once about a zombie mohel from outa space. Well maybe not, but I might ‘ve. He had a cigar cutter.

    • hayate says:

      I think you got a good case there for prosecution, DICKERSON3870. But then again, there are beamer owners and those who drive a Бумер. The difference is substantial. IE:

      link to youtube.com