Netanyahu's father Ben Zion, a former secretary to Jabotinsky and creator of the Israel lobby here in the 40s, is over 100 years old and people say that Netanyahu himself cannot transgress his father while his father is alive and spitting. The father is also said to have favored the hero eldest son, Jonathan, who died in the Entebbe raid, and described his middle son's first term as prime minister as a poor performance. I am just saying, this vicious man has some great power over his son.
As'ad AbuKhalil picks up an old post from Noam Sheizaf, and Seham passed it along to me. Well it's evergreen. AbuKhalil calls this, "Netanyahu's father vomits his racism:"
"Q: You don’t like the Arabs, to say the least.
A: “The bible finds no worse image than this of the man from the desert. And why? Because he has no respect for any law. Because in the desert he can do as he pleases.
The tendency towards conflict is in the essence of the Arab. He is an enemy by essence. His personality won’t allow him any compromise or agreement. It doesn’t matter what kind of resistance he will meet, what price he will pay. His existence is one of perpetuate war.”Q: Is there any hope of peace?
A: “Out of agreement? No. the other side might stay in peace if it understands that doing anything [else] will cause it enormous pain.
The two states solution doesn’t exist. There are no two people here. There is a Jewish people and an Arab population… there is no Palestinian people, so you don’t create a state for an imaginary nation… they only call themselves a people in order to fight the Jews.”
Q: So what’s the solution?
A: “No solution but force… strong military rule"
“this vicious man has some great power over his son”
No doubt true. Kadima’s Livni carries considerable right-wing family baggage as well. Don’t they all”
“Becoming a proponent of Sharon’s unilateral disengagement and latterly backing former US President George W Bush’s call for the formation of a Palestinian state was a major ideological transition for Ms Livni.
Both her parents were key figures in the militant Zionist group Irgun – her Polish-born father serving as its chief of operations. [...]
After the state of Israel was founded in 1948 former members joined mainstream politics and in 1973 participated in the formation of the right-wing Likud party in 1973.
With this background, the young Livni was raised on the dream of “Greater Israel” with Israeli sovereignty over much more land than it controlled between 1948 and the 1967 war.
It is therefore the result of a major sea-change that she, with Ariel Sharon blazing the trial, came to believe that Israel’s survival required a two-state solution with the Palestinians – whose numbers would otherwise inevitably outstrip the numbers of Jewish Israelis in the future.
In 2006, she told the New York Times: “I believe, like my parents, in the right of the Jewish people to the entire land of Israel. But I was also raised to preserve Israel as a homeland for the Jewish people and [to preserve] democratic values. So choosing between my dreams, and my need to live in democracy, I prefer to give up some of the land.” ”
link to news.bbc.co.uk
But how much land is she willing to ‘give up’? Presumably, she’ll fight for every inch as well. Also revealing wrt the purpose of ‘peace talks’:
“Opposition leader Tzipi Livni testified before a commission probing Israel’s raid on a Gaza-bound aid convoy in May, telling the panel that Turkey had exploited the event as a provocation against Israel.
“In the absence of a peace process, with Israel’s policies toward the Palestinians unclear, Turkey was able to fill a political vacuum by engineering provocations,” Livni told the commission, headed by former Supreme Court Judge Jacob Turkel.”
In other words: the purpose of peace talks is to throw all kinds of concessions at Israel in order to lure them into a peace treaty – which never materializes, but Israel still gains in the process (if only in terms of international mediators tolerating and validating their claims, or promising more aid, weapons etc to Israel). And aims at convincing the world that the Palestinians have no rights and are the obstacle to peace. Without periodic peace talks Israel as brutal oppressor committed to the status quo and continuing expansion into Palestinian land is far too obvious and attracts ‘provocations’
link to haaretz.com
The two-state solution is the only reasonable and fair approach currently.
It is not dead so long as there remains significant majorities in each community that desire to self-govern and regard single state as governance by an external.
To struggle for no goal, is nihilist.
“The two-state solution is the only reasonable and fair approach currently.”
False. The two-state solution was burried nearly a decade ago and pretending other now serves to merely
a) buy Israel time while it steals more land, and
b) allow faux liberals like yourself to maintain the charade that you want peace
“It is not dead so long as there remains significant majorities in each community that desire to self-govern and regard single state as governance by an external.”
The Palestinians have been subjected to governance by an external for 40 years.
“To struggle for no goal, is nihilist.”
To pretend to struggle for a goal that is dead is sadism.
Witless: the two state solution is not on offer from Israel, unless you call a stunted, isolated series of ghettos which Israel controls a ‘two state solution’. Israel doesn’t do ‘fair’, as we have learnt since 1948. It has deliberately made a fair two state solution utterly impossible, while pretending it is in favour of one. So you are a witless dupe of Israel, like most of your ilk, which is very convenient for you, since you can avoid actually engaging with the reality of the situation and keep pretending that Israel has any moral or ethical scruples at all.
The fact that BYahoo is pressing so hard for these surrender negotiations is sufficient proof that there is no real solution involved.
Antidote’s quotations from Livni are very revealing, I think. Her basic conviction is that Palestinians have no right, since only Jewish people have any relevant right, to a share of sovereignty in Palestine – the fundamental idea of Zionism. That idea delegitimates any Palestinian state from the start, and with it the whole 2-state idea. How can Zionists steel themselves to something that their whole state of mind condemns and despises? No wonder that amid all the years of talk nothing happens.
The two-state solution is nowhere near impossible if pursued.
It’s not being pursed Witty.
You remind me of this guy.
link to youtube.com
You remind me of this guy.
link to youtube.com
It’s a classic.
hs father says this in part 2
notice that is exactly what bibi did in oslo. he talked of compromise as a way of deceiving. he wanted to make the other side stop doing its best efforts and fall into the trap of compromising. they did and he got control over the WB byway of determining what a ‘military zone’ was. he bragged about deceiving @ oslo in the leaked video. the father is really talking about himself here, what he has taught his son. then he pretends to his audience his enemies have all his worse characteristics and peddles this as some kind of truth. unless he’s deluded himself into thinking his enemies are as evil as he knows himself to be.
neat trick.
again, he is talking about himself.
classic scapegoating
Lev 16:22
“And the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities unto a land not inhabited: and he shall let go the goat in the wilderness.”
At least the poor goat was ‘carrying’ sins that had been confessed and was not part of a claim to impeccability.
good point, so this must be some triangular version of scapegoating, the confessed sin being Christian anti-semitism, culminating in the Nazi Holocaust. Allows for Jewish impeccability — all criticism would be irrational anti-semitism from the Christian/Jewish perspective — and thus projection of all sins onto the Arabs.
“At the heart of racism is the religious assertion
. . . that God made a creative mistake
. . . . . .when He brought some people into being.”
– Friedrich Otto Hertz
“the man from the desert.”
The vast majority of Arabs live in cities or on farms.
“he has no respect for any law”
And yet he is also alleged to be a fanatical follower of Islamic Law!
Again,
The two-state solution is nowhere near dead, and is the only rational political solution in which significant majorities in each community prefer to self-govern.
It is much more threatening to the Palestinian community for there to be a single state, as the cherished Palestinian predominant communities in East Jerusalem for example would nearly certainly be gentrified (by both Jewish and affluent Palestinian) and Judaized.
In areas that are desired by both Jewish and Palestinian and/or Arab and/or Muslim communities (Jerusalem, Hebron, other sites), there would be bidding wars for the property (gentrification and exclusion of working and poor people).
They only aspect that Jews will lose is of exclusivity, segregation.
That is a good thing, but the Palestinian community has articulated a strong desire to protect Palestinian neighborhoods for Palestinians, and that would dissolve fairly quickly.
The only legally equal rights approach that could possibly preserve the Palestinian character of East Jerusalem for example would be for national political entities.
“There is a Jewish people and an Arab population… there is no Palestinian people, so you don’t create a state for an imaginary nation”
So only “peoples” can have states? And if you are not a member of a “people” you can be [moderated] around by those who are members of “peoples”?
This is sheer raving insanity!