Haaretz ad recommends ‘return’-ing Palestinians to Jordan

by David Schach on February 24, 2011 44
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I found this via Gaza mom Laila El-Haddad, her twitter feed:

"Retweeted by gazamom and 100+ others
anyone else see the vile ad on haaretz that calls for the expulsion of Palestinians to Jordan?? about 23 hours ago via web"

I went to Haaretz and after browsing a few pages eventally had the ad pop up once.  I saved and attached a screen shot for you.

ad

If you click on the add it goes to here.

Let Jordan be democratic and free, and let the Palestinian people accept upon themselves the full mantle and responsibility of democratic statehood in Jordan - without the destruction or diminishment of the state of Israel and without the physical transfer of any population, neither Jew nor Arab.

About David Schach

Philip Weiss is Founder and Co-Editor of Mondoweiss.net.
Posted in Israel/Palestine

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  1. Mooser says:
    February 24, 2011 at 9:51 pm

    From the ad linked: ” It was the late Prime Minister Rabin who wrote :”A Palestinian State can be created only on the ruins of the State of Israel”. We are concerned that the only political plan to deal with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict – is the plan that endangers the very existence of Israel. “

    Gosh, do they really want to bring up Rabin? Or has he been “rehabilitated”. Or is the word I’m thinking of “resurrected”?

    Wow, talk about “beyond chutzpah”! Maybe they have an irony poor diet in Israel.

    • annie says:
      February 24, 2011 at 10:26 pm

      To His Majesty
      The King of Jordan
      King Abdullah the Second
      &
      The Government and Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan

      Presented this Date, the 25th of May 2011
      The 65th Independence Day of the Kingdom of Jordan

      As the cries for democracy reach us from Tunis, Egypt, and all around the Arab world, we call upon the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan to declare itself the democratic nation state of the Palestinian people.

      80% of the population of Jordan are disenfranchised Palestinians. This declarative step would correct that injustice and provide the foundation for a just, comprehensive and lasting peace between the Jewish and Arab peoples.

      The late Prime Minister Yitzchak Rabin wrote: “A Palestinian State can be created only on the ruins of the State of Israel”.

      That needn’t be the case. That shouldn’t be the case.

      Let Jordan be democratic and free, and let the Palestinian people accept upon themselves the full mantle and responsibility of democratic statehood in Jordan – without the destruction or diminishment of the state of Israel and without the physical transfer of any population, neither Jew nor Arab.

      We the undersigned, citizens of the world, representatives of hundreds of thousands around the world, ask the Government of Jordan and King Abdullah the Second, to proclaim the Hashemite Kingdom the democratic nation state of the Palestinians, and with this symbolic and declarative step, make a decisive contribution to Middle East and world peace.

      We remind you of the brave words of your father:
      “I wish democracy and peace to be my legacy to my people and the shield of generations to come.” – King Hussein I of Jordan

      freaks

  2. Mooser says:
    February 24, 2011 at 9:58 pm

    I bet that ad really gets the ziocaine going in lots of Israelis. What they are calling for is ridiculous and would probably precipitate an internatyional crisis which I don’t think would redound to Israel’s favor, ah, but how powerful it must make them feel to think such a thing (mass expulsion or “transfer” from conqurered territory) is a possibility for Israel.

    While Palestinians are, without doubt the primary victims of Zionism, the way Zionism minipulates, victimises and sacrifices Jews will someday be seen for the sin that it is.

    • Antidote says:
      February 24, 2011 at 10:51 pm

      “What they are calling for is ridiculous and would probably precipitate an international crisis …”

      Not among the growing European right. They have been pushing this idea for some time, and are touring Israel to support it. They LOVE Israel because they also want to get rid of Arabs/Muslims in Europe. Dutch MP Wilders and MK Eldad are BFF, it’s all about the ‘clash of civilizations’. The basic idea being that if Jerusalem falls, the domino effect will bring down all the capital cities of ‘Eurabia’ as well.

      see here, take your pick

      link to google.ca

      this is no doubt one reason why the 2ss is becoming urgent for European governments – as a foreign policy and a domestic issue. The status quo is no longer sustainable for them

  3. Miura says:
    February 24, 2011 at 10:03 pm

    97 years ago, the “humanists” among Zionists wanted to ‘relocate’
    every last Palestinian to Iraq. Or, how about Madagascar?

  5. VR says:
    February 24, 2011 at 10:11 pm

    Go back to Brooklyn, that has more in common with reality than stealing land and telling to owners to go live elsewhere

  6. Pedestrian says:
    February 24, 2011 at 10:13 pm

    Was wondering if you saw David Remnick’s coverage of Haaretz in this week’s New Yorker? I’m curios what Phil and/or Adam thought about it.

    • Donald says:
      February 25, 2011 at 8:38 pm

      “Was wondering if you saw David Remnick’s coverage of Haaretz in this week’s New Yorker? I’m curios what Phil and/or Adam thought about it.”

      I saw it. I’d like to hear their reactions.

      Lawrence of Cyberia might have been reacting to it–click on the sidebar if interested, as I’m too lazy to provide a link.

      My own feeling is that the New Yorker article was good, but with the predictable flaw. The flaw was that the article was about this handful of Israelis with a social conscience about what is being done to the Palestinians–it’s not about what is being done to the Palestinians. And the Haaretz people (like Gideon Levy and Amira Hass) are accused of being insufficiently sympathetic to Israelis. You don’t hear any of what Hass and Levy actually say in their columns. You hear (yet again) how Israelis were traumatized by suicide bombings–you don’t hear that the vast majority of civilians killed in the conflict are Palestinians killed by Israelis.

      It was good in that Amira Hass and Gideon Levy are portrayed in a positive way–it wasn’t a hatchet job at all. But I guess what is being done to the Palestinians (that is, what Hass and Levy themselves write about) isn’t something the New Yorker wants to write about.

  7. Saleema says:
    February 24, 2011 at 10:37 pm

    Oh hell, no. One state it will be. And let Jordan be free despite that.

  8. yourstruly says:
    February 24, 2011 at 11:10 pm

    nyt ad suggests returning zionist settlers to european place of origin

  9. Avi says:
    February 25, 2011 at 3:33 am

    In Israeli society, one of the main reasons very few read Ha’aretz stems from the historical claim that it is a leftist rag, that it is printed for, and read by, the Israeli equivalent of latte drinking, libtards.

    But, the truth is that Ha’aretz merely attempts to adhere to basic journalistic standards.

    Nonetheless, those journalistic standards do not change the simple fact that Ha’aretz is a Zionist newspaper, however liberal (ala witty or J. Slater).

    As an aside, should Israel attempt at this point in time to push for such a solution, the region will erupt in fury. What took place in Egypt and Libya will pale in comparison should Israel decide to bring the situation to a boiling point.

    Palestinians in Israel are already disappointed and alienated by Israel’s domestic policies. There will come a point when one final straw will break the camel’s back.

    The oppression in Egypt lasted more than 30 years, in Libya it lasted more than 40 years. Israel should be thankful that the Palestinian citizens have put up with its policies for more than 60 years.

    • Citizen says:
      February 25, 2011 at 6:47 am

      In the wee hours of this morning I watched on CSPAN The Palestine Center’s Thursday last hosting of a panel addressing “The Israeli-Palestinian Conflict & Middle East Unrest.”

      What is to be done?

      Michelle Dunne concludes that the US needs to learn new ways to work with Arab governments, ways that are responsive to their own citizens, something the US has long done, for example, with European countries.
      The I-P situation is not sustainable but the Obama administration doesn’t yet know what to do about it, where to go with it because Israel
      has shown only a willingness to do less, rather than more to attain peace. Treat the trend in Arab countries towards democracy, the emerging regimes, as we do, say, the governments of England or France.
      None of them will stop selling us their oil. She said Obama did not want to cast any veto at the UN during his term. The US needs to look now into the future of at least the next couple of years to see the outcome of Arab unrest. A key thing to note is that Al Quaida realizes the nature of the Arab unrest is not Al Quaida’s model because it’s non-violent. (Don’t know if the panel convened before Libya erupted.) She said she differs from Nadia Hijab’s POV in that the new Arab transition governments are already asking for an assistance package from the USA, e.g., Egypt. Any such package needs to be rebalanced, with more aid targeted for developing fledgling and new democratic institutions, and less aid targeting military assistance. That is, America should not pick winners (in advance).

      Nadia Hijab began her input with a comprehensive list of oppressions visited on the Palestinian people daily–none of which have been addressed by the PA. The most pressing need is to build Palestinian
      cohesion, rather than division. A united Palestinian agency alone can pursue real change on the ground. Not enough public knowledge is
      given or conceded that the Palestinians have a historical record indicating their will towards non-violent change, e.g., in 1936-1939 & during the 4-5 years of the 1st Infatida. Arab non-violence change will enhance the struggle against the Wall and the BDS movement.

      Clovis Maksoud said when the revolutionary process is contested by denial of basic human needs, the revolution becomes the instrument of History’s normalization process. A reassessment is perhaps taking place; current communication media speeds up this process, transcending ethno-religious conformity with a celebration of diversity, pluralism–this will increase Arab influence. The US puts the bar too low on the Israelis–it does not even effectively acknowledge the deeply problematic Israeli settlements. Thus the US aggravates the big picture problem from the start by supporting the most obvious wrong in the present. All resistance should be non-violent as 1st priority, including all forms of resistance, such as diplomacy. HAMAS made a mistake by putting militancy first, revenge first. At least the PA did not do this. The USA’s F-35s to Israel shows the US commitment to militancy too. Do you think 280 million Arabs will long accept an Israeli military strategy power over the whole Middle East? Obama needs to recognize they won’t and do something about it. He can’t simply try to show (to those he needs to buy another good chance at extending his term in office) that he won’t abandon Israel by pushing continued strategic military domination over the whole Middle East. He needs to fight 329 US congress folks for the good of all concerned. His VP, Beiden is an example of his problem. In 1986 I had breakfast with Beiden. There and then Beiden said to me, “Arabs are a gullible people.” The US has to influence Israel by extracting from Israel that Israel is an occupying power; some Israelis now concede this, say it, but they do nothing about it with the result that the US is harboring a road without a map.

    • wildbill says:
      February 25, 2011 at 7:57 pm

      Every time the arabs get mad at Israel and attack, they have been beaten and lost more land. Why would they expect things to be any different today? The “palestinians” living in Israel have much higher standards of living than arabs living under arab rule. They should consider themselves lucky to be able to live in a modern democracy.

      • pjdude says:
        February 25, 2011 at 9:42 pm

        they should consider them selves lucky to be kept around by their conquorers and denied their rights in their own country. you sound just like all the pro slavery people in the US around the civil war.

      • Avi says:
        February 25, 2011 at 11:44 pm

        Here are a few choice excerpts:

        Every time the arabs get mad

        So, they’re just angry, eh? That’s a good explanation. And always remember, teh Ay-rabs are one monolithic entity.

        The “palestinians” living in Israel have much higher standards of living than arabs living under arab rule. They should consider themselves lucky to be able to live in a modern democracy.

        The “israelis” living in Palestine are not native to the region. So, why should they expect to be welcomed and embraced?

        It’s best if the jews in the jewish world came to terms with that fact.

      • Antidote says:
        February 26, 2011 at 1:47 pm

        “The “palestinians” living in Israel have much higher standards of living than arabs living under arab rule.”

        And have you seen the shopping mall in Gaza? So much better than anything they have in Dubai

        link to youtube.com

        You may also like this documentary about how good the Jews had it in the city given to them by the Führer, and how they learned all kinds of trades. Theresienstadt was also dubbed a ‘spa town’, not a concentration camp, with a rich cultural life. It didn’t pay, of course, to make the Nazis mad:

        “It is great here, so many interesting people. One could live here quite decently, if not for the constant fear of being sent to the East”

        Friedl Dicker-Brandeis, artist, designer, art teacher, and Holocaust martyr, wrote in a postcard sent from Ghetto Theresienstadt, in 1943.

        link to youtube.com

        link to makarovainit.com

        link to cbsnews.com

  10. pabelmont says:
    February 25, 2011 at 6:57 am

    If Ha’aretz is merely the voice of a small and negligible segment of Israeli society, then who was supposed to read and react to the “ad”? Did those who paid for the “ad” merely do so as a “feel good” effort? Was it “political porn”? Or might it have been intended to have real effect, start or continue a political tendency in Israel?

  11. Theo says:
    February 25, 2011 at 7:42 am

    Our zionist friends in Israel are getting very nervous, it seems the arab revolts all around them give them nightmares, all day long!
    The word “to return” is the most misused word by the zionist movement. They used it for 60 years to import jews from all over the world whose forfathers do not come from the old Israel, were converted turks, slavs, etc. Now they want to return the palestinians to someplace where they do not belong.
    A two state solution would have been possible 40 years ago, however Israel itself created a situation where it became impossible.
    Only a one state solution is possible now, where all citizens have the same rights, jewish settlers go back where they came from, palestinian refugees return home and a majority rule is implemented.
    I make a bet that this will happen sooner or later, either through peaceful agreement or through a major blood shedding. Either way the zionist will lose.

    • fuster says:
      February 25, 2011 at 5:16 pm

      Theo, thank you for the hilarious comment.

      —where all citizens have the same rights—
      When you find an Arab regime where all the citizens actually HAVE all their rights and where everyone, regardless of religious views or origin, are welcomed into citizenship, I’ll gladly join you in thinking well of it.

      • Potsherd2 says:
        February 25, 2011 at 5:21 pm

        Irrelevant, fusty. Theo is speaking of a state in Palestine. Do you not approve of such a state giving all its citizens the same rights?

      • tree says:
        February 25, 2011 at 5:40 pm

        When you find an Arab regime where all the citizens actually HAVE all their rights and where everyone, regardless of religious views or origin, are welcomed into citizenship, I’ll gladly join you in thinking well of it.

        Talk about reading comprehension difficulties. You’ve got them, fuster.

        Theo was talking about a one state solution for Israel/Palestine built on equality. There is no Arab OR JEWISH regime yet that has accomplished that but if you think it isn’t possible because of some inherent flaw in Arabs or Jews then you’re even more bigoted that I thought. I’d say the Arab regimes are farther along on the equality scale than Israel is, and Israel is farther along on the democracy scale, but neither are shining examples at this point. That doesn’t mean the goal is impossible. Why aim lower?

        Theo, thank you for the hilarious comment.

        Yep, Equality is simply hilarious, isn’t it? What a stupid comment.

      • Theo says:
        February 26, 2011 at 8:07 am

        fuster

        I visited the jewish synagoge on Djerba in Tunisia and had a long talk with several jews there.
        They are there since over a thousand years, had no problems with the turkish rulers and have no problems now. Can you say the same about Israel?

  12. rachelgolem says:
    February 25, 2011 at 12:52 pm

    The Sunni people in Iraq and the Palestinians are the same people.

    The borders between them were drawn by the Europeans.

    The Queen of Jordan is a Palestinian. The Prime Minister is a Palestinian. And Jordan is 70% Palestinian.

    • mig says:
      February 25, 2011 at 3:40 pm

      rachelgolem :
      The Sunni people in Iraq and the Palestinians are the same people.

      ++++ We human beings are all the same people.

      The borders between them were drawn by the Europeans.

      ++++ True. But doesnt matter.

      The Queen of Jordan is a Palestinian.

      ++++ Would it make any difference if she is not ?

      The Prime Minister is a Palestinian.

      ++++ Would it make any difference if he is not ?

      And Jordan is 70% Palestinian.

      ++++ Yes it is. Because of a 1948 war and when majority palestinians went to Jordan as refugees. But it still doesnt make Jordan as home of palestinians.

    • Chaos4700 says:
      February 25, 2011 at 4:05 pm

      And? A good chunk of Israelis speak Russian. Or English. Or some other European language. Names like “Goldbaum” and “Katz” and “Lieberman” didn’t exactly come from the neighborhood of Ramallah or Bethlehem, did they?

      There are large numbers of Palestinians in Jordan because that’s where those refugees fled when Zionists started slashing and burning villages by the hundreds and shooting dead anyone who dared to try to return.

      Kind of different from some European who sailed to Palestine with a rifle and participated in “open season,” isn’t it?

    • Potsherd2 says:
      February 25, 2011 at 4:16 pm

      The Palestinians and the Jews are the same people.

    • RoHa says:
      February 25, 2011 at 8:01 pm

      “The Sunni people in Iraq and the Palestinians are the same people.”

      I presume that by “the same people” you mean “members of the same cultural/ethnic group”. Any other meaning would be nonsense.

      But then, so what? The Ashkenazi Jews of Brooklyn and the Ashkenazi Jews of Israel are “the same people”. Would that justify forcing the AJs of Israel back to Brooklyn?

      If so, let’s do it.

  13. Light says:
    February 25, 2011 at 7:21 pm

    His full proposal is here. Open the link and then the document “Two States for Two People”

    link to ipetition.com

    Palestinians will have a “choice”. They can move to Jordan or they can stay in the West Bank which is annexed to Israel. Those that stay become residents, not citizens, and have no voting rights. He actually compares the Palestinians status as Israeli residents to people living in the US with green cards.

  14. wildbill says:
    February 25, 2011 at 7:49 pm

    Seems like a good idea. The land that is today Jordan was originally given to the Palestinians. By creating a Palestinian state in what is now Jordan, Israel can maintain its current borders and conflict can end.

    • pjdude says:
      February 25, 2011 at 9:44 pm

      That is un true. Jordan wasn’t giben to the palestinian and has nothing to do with them. no creating a palestinian state in jordan doesn’t fix the problem. it just transfers it. its the same thing as no you would be denying a people their right to self determiantion. the only way to end the conflict is one state of palestine with the palestinians getting to return to it.

      • fuster says:
        February 25, 2011 at 10:14 pm

        might be a misunderstanding of terms, pj.

        the British split off Jordan from Palestine.

        • pjdude says:
          February 26, 2011 at 12:40 am

          palestine can mean 2 things. the british mandate of palestine which for some godforsaken reason that I do not not know icluded what became jordan or it can mean historical palestine. the palestinians are the residents of historic palestine. conecting jordan to palestine was a travesty as it connected to pieces of territory that were never adminstrated as one piece of land. the only people I have ever seen push the idea that Jordan is some how palestinian territory and is or should be the palestinian state is an islamophobe.

        • fuster says:
          February 26, 2011 at 12:58 am

          just trying to help sort out the confusion here, pj.

          sometimes partisans for Israel say that the partition plan called for the Jews to receive only 11% of “Palestine”. they’re talking about the
          whole area that includes Jordan.

        • pjdude says:
          February 26, 2011 at 1:53 am

          I’m sorry if you confused.

          sometimes partisans for Israel say that the partition plan called for the Jews to receive only 11% of “Palestine”. they’re talking about the
          whole area that includes Jordan

          I am well aware of that. it is a dishonest argument( like almost all pro Israel arguments are) just because the british attached Jordan to palestine doesn’t make it palestine.

          one way to look at it is historically geographical features tended to from borders. look at poland where it had geographical features its border were stable where there weren’t any heavy changes. the jordan river has been used as an adminstrative border in the region for thousands of years.

  15. Theo says:
    February 26, 2011 at 8:30 am

    Just take a look at another british dishonesty:

    Quwait was always a part of Iraq, going back thousands of years in history.
    When the iraqis kicked out the british in the 1920s, out of revenge, they separated Quwait from Iraq to cut that land off from the seas and gave it to the ruling family. The old trick, separate and rule.

    Great part of borders were drawn by the colonists, mostly british, separating peoples of the same race or ethnicity.
    Israel, Palestina and Jordan must become one single land to be able to survive. Adios zionista amigos, hasta la vista.

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