Anders Behring Breivik, a perfect product of the Axis of Islamophobia

Norwegian Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Store visits the Utoya Labor Youth camp a day before Breivik's killing spree. He earned loud cheers with an unapologetic call for Palestinian rights.

Norwegian Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Store visits the Utoya Labor Youth camp a day before Breivik’s killing spree. He earned loud cheers with an unapologetic call for Palestinian rights.

When I wrote my analysis last December on the “Axis of Islamophobia,” laying out a new international political network of right-wing ultra-Zionists, Christian evangelicals, Tea Party activists and racist British soccer hooligans, I did not foresee a terrorist like Anders Behring Breivik emerging from the movement’s ranks. At the same time, I am not surprised that he did. The rhetoric of the characters who inspired Breivik, from Pam Geller to Robert Spencer to Daniel Pipes, was so eliminationist in its nature that it was perhaps only a matter of time before someone put words into action.

As horrific as Breivik’s actions were, he can not be dismissed as a “madman.” His writings contain the same themes and language as more prominent right-wing Islamophobes (or those who style themselves as “counter-Jihadists”) and many conservatives in general. What’s more, Breivik was articulate and coherent enough to offer a clear snapshot of his ideological motives. Ali Abunimah and Alex Kane have posted excellent summaries of Breivik’s writings here and here and a full English translation is here. It is also worth sitting through at least a portion of Breivik’s tedious video manifesto to get a sense of his thinking.

From a tactical perspective, Breivik was not a “lone wolf” terrorist. Instead, Breivik appeared to operate under a leaderless resistance model much like the Christian anti-abortion terrorists Scott Roeder and Eric Rudolph. Waagner and Rudolph organized around the Army of God, a nebulous group that was known only by its website and the pamphlets its members passed around in truck stops and private meetings. If they received material or tactical support, it occurred spontaneously. For the most part, they found encouragement from like-minded people and organizations like Operation Rescue, but rarely accepted direct assistance. Breivik, who emerged from the anti-immigrant Norwegian Progress Party (which built links with America’s Tea Party) and drifted into the English/Norwegian Defense League sphere of extremism, but who appeared to act without formal organizational support, reflects the same leaderless resistance style as America’s anti-abortion terrorists.

While in many ways Breivik shares core similarities with other right-wing anti-government terrorists, he is the product of a movement that is relatively new, increasingly dangerous, and poorly understood. I described the movement in detail in my “Axis of Islamophobia” piece, noting its simultaneous projection of anti-Semitic themes on Muslim immigrants and the appeal of Israel as a Fort Apache on the front lines of the war on terror, holding the line against the Eastern barbarian hordes. Breivik’s writings embody this seemingly novel fusion, particularly in his obsession with “Cultural Marxism,” an increasingly popular far-right concept that positions the (mostly Jewish) Frankfurt School as the originators of multiculturalism, combined with his call to “influence other cultural conservatives to come to our…pro-Israel line.”

Breivik and other members of Europe’s new extreme right are fixated on the fear of the “demographic Jihad,” or being out-populated by overly fertile Muslim immigrants. They see themselves as Crusader warriors fighting a racial/religious holy war to preserve Western Civilization. Thus they turn for inspiration to Israel, the only ethnocracy in the world, a country that substantially bases its policies towards the Palestinians on what its leaders call “demographic considerations.” This is why Israeli flags invariably fly above black-masked English Defense League mobs, and why Geert Wilders, the most prominent Islamophobic politician in the world, routinely travels to Israel to demand the forced transfer of Palestinians.

Judging from Breivik’s writings, his hysterical hatred of the Labor Party’s immigration policies and tolerance of Muslim immigrants likely led him target the government-operated summer camp at Utoya. For years, the far-right has singled Norway out as a special hotbed of pro-Islam, pro-Palestinian sentiment, thanks largely to its ruling Labor Party. In 2010, for instance, the English Defense League called Norway a future site of “Islamohell,” “where unadulterated political correctness has ruled the roost, with sharp talons, for decades.” Yesterday, when the Wall Street Journal editorial page rushed to blame Muslim terrorists for what turned out to be Breivik’s killing spree, it slammed the Norwegian government for pulling troops from Afghanistan and demanding that Israel end its siege of Gaza. For his part, Breivik branded the Labor Party as “traitors.”

There is no clear evidence that Breivik’s support for the Israeli right played any part in his killing spree. Nor does he appear to have any connection with the Israeli government. However, it is worth noting that in November 2010, the Israeli government joined the right-wing pile on, accusing the Norwegian government of “anti-Israel incitement” for funding a trip for students to New York to see the “Gaza Monologues” play. Then, the day before Breivik’s terror attack, which he planned long in advance, Norway’s Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Stor visited the Labor Youth camp at Utoya. There, he was met with demands to support the global BDS movement and to support the Palestinian Authority’s unilateral statehood bid. “The Palestinians must have their own state, the occupation must end, the wall must be demolished and it must happen now,” the Foreign Minister declared, earning cheers from the audience.

Breivik’s writings offer much more than a window into the motives that led him to commit terror. They can also be read as an embodiment of the mentality of a new and internationalized far-right movement that not only mobilizes hatred against Muslims, but is also able to produce figures who will kill innocent non-Muslims to save the Western way of life.

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  1. annie says:

    killer article max. thanks for sharing it w/us

  2. I see, on the Algemeneir website, the homepage is still carrying the headline….

    “Jihad Group Claims Responsibility For Norway Terror”

    Gotta love it, doncha?

  3. Saleema says:

    “Marc Sageman, a former C.I.A. officer and a consultant on terrorism, said it would be unfair to attribute Mr. Breivik’s violence to the writers who helped shape his world view. But at the same time, he said the counterjihad writers do argue that the fundamentalist Salafi branch of Islam “is the infrastructure from which Al Qaeda emerged. Well, they and their writings are the infrastructure from which Breivik emerged.” ”

    Translation: No matter which way you look at it, Islam and Muslims are still to blame for the white man’s terror.

    link to nytimes.com

  4. Pixel says:

    Naivete has no place in today’s world. We can’t afford it.

    Each and every day, we’ve got to keep an open mind, temporarily suspend our disbelief, consider every possible angle – and then some – never, ever take anything the mainstream media says at face value and, also, closely examine everything they’re not saying (and why).

    Continually challenging our first impressions is imperative and we’ve got to get faster at it.

    Read Norway Notes by Gordon Duff (Veteran’s Today).

    link to veteranstoday.com

    It’s important.

    (…also cited by Gilad Atzmon in “Was the Norway massacre a reaction to the boycott Israel campaign?,” 25 July 2011)

  5. MRW says:

    Max, you don’t think there is evidence that Breivik’s support for the Israeli right played a part in his killing spree? That he compartmentalized it, somehow, and made it just anti-Muslim?

    Breivik killed nearly 90 kids on an island where the day before the Foreign Minister issued an official statement repudiating Israel. The sign said BOYCOTT ISRAEL. The FM’s words were all over Oslo TV and print before the shooting, according to tweets from Norway. (Their entire conference was about this issue; Abbas was in town earlier in the week.)

    As former Ambassador Craig Murray details on his site, Norway has been a target of Pamela Geller and her ilk–removed since Friday and replaced with ‘we don’t know this guy’ kinds of mumblings.

    Israel is shoulder-deep in the anti-Muslim hatred business. And so are unthinking Jews and Christian Zios in the Diaspora. Period. The same brand of singular ethnic hatred that kills Palestinians killed those kids, and we are all to blame for turning our eyes or staying silent about it.

    • Rag says:

      According to what is being said in media here in Sweden, he planned his attack for 9 years more or less. Some of the steps leading up to the attack (such as getting the farm where he made the bomb) were taken years ago. His intent was to hit Utøya when the former prime minister, Gro Harlem Brundtland, was visiting earlier that day, but he was delayed.

      I’d say that any connection between his actions to specific current events is very unlikely. That he planned to ‘hit’ Bruntland was probably just that she happened to be scheduled to be there, and he thought she would be a good target. The camp is held yearly for the youth organization of Arbeiderpartiet (Norwegian Labour), and has been held in the same manner for ages, which made it very easy to plan for attacking it.

      • MRW says:

        Rag,

        Where is that info coming from? Are the discussions with this guy being disseminated in the Swedish press? I thought they were keeping his statements confidential until the police finished their investigation. Are there leaks from the police?

        The Telegraph in London compared his manifesto with the Unibomber’s and he apparently plagiarized parts of it.

        According to this report, Breivik rented the farm this spring:
        link to montrealgazette.com

        On this news program, his next door neighbor at the farm said he moved in a month ago:
        link to youtube.com

        The fertilizer people said he bought the stuff 10 weeks ago.

        • mig says:

          MRW :

          “Where is that info coming from?”

          ++++ Norway news, Aftenposten. They say that suspect told this in interrogations.

          link to aftenposten.no

          ” Are the discussions with this guy being disseminated in the Swedish press?”

          ++++ I guess that they pass parts of them. As well here in finland.

          Guite lots of information has come so far through his lawyer. And i guess that police has passed also some information.

        • MRW says:

          Thanks, mig. We’re not getting up to date stuff here, and besides, they’re only really interested in the Muslim angle.

        • Rag says:

          The police are probably leaking a lot of information, since media reports with confidence about what is being said during interrogation. Swedish media gets it directly from Norwegian media (we’re neighbors with very close ties, and speak almost the same language). At least in Sweden it is perfectly legal for individual officers (or others) to leak information to the press even if the prosecutor makes a formal decision to keep the inquiry secret. No real public statements can be made though.

          The manifesto is supposed to give diary notes since 2002, detailing his planning. I seem to have misunderstood the timing of events (reading through the 55+ pages on DN.se, one of Swedens leading newspapers). Here are a few quotes (my translation): ‘In the summer of 2010 he buried in the woods some of the equipment he planned to use, among it was police insignia and a kevlar vest.’

          ‘May 2nd [this year - so I was wrong] he moved to the farm…’
          ‘June 13th he successfully exploded a small bomb…’

          A lot of information is coming through media talking to many of the youngsters from Utøya, his parents, old school mates, even people from the extreme right-wing groups.

      • richb says:

        Gro Bruntland is part of a group known as “The Elders”.

        http://www.theelders.org

        The intersection of “The Elders” and the I/P issue is in an area that interests Breivik greatly. Here’s a recent press release of a statement signed by Bruntland:

        London, 4 June 2011

        Your Excellency,

        The far reaching changes we have seen across the Arab world in recent months have underscored the universal desire of all people for freedom and dignity; this wish is no less the case for Palestinians. At this crucial moment, we therefore call on all governments around the world to support a renewed effort to achieve a comprehensive solution based on international law and respect for basic human rights.

        The Elders have consistently called for intra-Palestinian reconciliation as an essential step towards the larger goals of ending Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories and creating the right conditions for the establishment of an independent state, living in peace and security alongside Israel.

        In this regard, we welcomed the agreement signed in Cairo on 4 May between the two main Palestinian factions, Fatah and Hamas, as a step in the right direction. However, in supporting the accord, we note that much hard work remains to be done on the ground to translate the parties’ stated willingness to cooperate into facts that will enable Palestinians to live in a democratic and free society based on the rule of law.

        By supporting Palestinian unity – including giving support to a new, non-partisan government to be established under the unity agreement, one charged with preparing for fresh elections in 2012 and rebuilding the Gaza Strip – the international community can demonstrate its practical commitment to the two-state solution.

        The policies of the past, whereby the divided parts of the intended future Palestinian state – Gaza, the West Bank and East Jerusalem – have been progressively separated from each other, and fragmented into separate mini-cantons, should be discarded. Instead, we recommend support for a new approach, favouring a shared commitment to build a viable and contiguous Palestinian state on lands beyond the 1967 Green Line – a goal that US President Barack Obama stated on 19 May was his government’s policy.

        Looking ahead, the Elders note the stated intention of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to seek recognition of a Palestinian State by the UN General Assembly at the start of its 66th Session, in late September. Should this course be followed, we are of the view that the pursuit of recognition of a Palestinian state does not contradict the wish for a negotiated settlement of the conflict; rather, it should be supported as a means of stimulating serious negotiations. Far from being an act aimed at isolating Israel, as some have claimed, it could be a move that encourages Israel to accelerate its own wish to resolve – once and for all – the fundamental dilemmas that have dogged Israel since its founding in 1948.

        Considering the historic role of the United Nations in the creation of the State of Israel, through its passage of Resolution 181 of 29 November 1947, and bearing in mind the subsequent failure of the international community to help bring about a parallel Palestinian state on the former British Mandate territory of Palestine, as had been intended, it would be appropriate for the General Assembly and Security Council to re-assume their central responsibilities for the question.

        At the same time we, as Elders, are keenly aware that recognition by the United Nations will not alter the situation on the ground in the occupied territories. Nor will it preclude the need for intensified bilateral negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians to resolve the core issues between them. These remain: borders, refugees, security, settlements, water and the status of Jerusalem.

        Without a renewed effort to achieve a peace agreement based on the well-known contours of a two-state solution, we fear the risks of a return to general violence in the region; this, in turn, could undo all the hard work undertaken so far to build a Palestinian state, while its planned future territories remain under occupation. In mid-May alone, there were unarmed protests by peaceful demonstrators on all of Israel’s four borders, as a result of which some 15 people were killed and hundreds wounded by Israeli gunfire.

        As Elders, we have already given our support to the Palestinian non-violent struggle to end the occupation and will continue to endorse this entirely legitimate course of action. The risk however is that, whoever may be responsible, violent incidents could spark a further downward cycle of bloodshed.

        At this volatile and fragile time for the region, we therefore urge the international community to come together to support Israelis and Palestinians in reaching a just and lasting agreement, brought about with the help of even-handed, and robust, mediation. We call upon all governments to take a rights-based approach to this terrible conflict and insist that future negotiations be based on respect for universal human rights and international humanitarian law.

        Our purpose in writing this letter is to help bring peace and security to the region and we stand ready to do all that we can in support of this objective.

        Please accept, Excellency, the assurances of our highest consideration and esteem.

        The Elders

        From last year:

        The Elders group of past and present world leaders, including former South African president Nelson Mandela and Archbishop Desmond Tutu, on Monday condemned as “completely inexcusable” the deadly Israeli attack on a flotilla carrying aid for Gaza.

        At least 10 people are reported to have been killed when Israeli commandos raided the boats on Monday in an operation that has drawn international condemnation.

        “The Elders have condemned the reported killing by Israeli forces of more than a dozen people who were attempting to deliver relief supplies to the Gaza Strip by sea,” the 12—member group said in a statement issued in Johannesburg, where it met over the weekend.

        The group, which was launched by Mr. Mandela on his birthday in 2007 to try to solve some of the world’s most intractable conflicts, called for a “full investigation” of the incident and urged the UN Security Council “to debate the situation with a view to mandating action to end the closure of the Gaza Strip.” “This tragic incident should draw the world’s attention to the terrible suffering of Gaza’s 1.5 million people, half of whom are children under the age of 18,” the group said.

        Israel’s three—year blockade of Gaza was not only “one of the world’s greatest human rights violations” and “illegal” under international law, it was also “counterproductive” because it empowered extremists in the Palestinian territory, they said.

        The Elders includes six Nobel peace prize winners — former UN secretary general Kofi Annan, former Finnish president Martti Ahtisaari, former US president Jimmy Carter, detained Burmese leader Aung San Suu Kyi and Mr. Mandela and Tutu.

        Norway’s first female Prime Minister Gro Brundtland; former Brazilian president Fernando Henrique Cardoso; former Irish president and ex—UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Mary Robinson; Mozambican social activist Graca Machel; Indian women’s rights activist Ela Bhatt; and Algerian veteran UN envoy Lakhdar Brahimi are the other members.

        Furthermore, if Breivik merely wanted to attack former PM Bruntland why did he have so much exploding ammunition? As was stated in the article you quoted the ammunition used that is illegal in Norway and references to others in the manifesto is making the police continue to look for conspirators.

        Even if there is no other conspirator it is clear that this is an instance of stochastic terrorism. Stochastic terrorism is where you put irresponsible and inflammatory rhetoric out in the public domain and wait for the “random” disturbed and/or evil person to act on it. With all the lies put out about Muslims and Christians in Israel and around Israel and the violent anti-Muslim rhetoric surrounding these lies it was only a matter of time before someone like Breivik acts on them. This is different from Tucson where the issue of stochastic terrorism was also raised in one very key point. Loughner’s writing are not at all political and were clearly the signs of a madman. Breivik’s are extremely political and much of what he wrote would be very difficult to distinguish from the pro-Israeli posts here. To many of us the anti-Muslim bigotry that is endemic in Israel and her supporters is a breeding ground of violence. Furthermore, what Breivik wrote does not at all come off as “crazy”. If liberal Zionists want to be viewed as reasonable they need to stop the anti-Muslim bigotry now and to come clean about and distance themselves from the Hasbara posts on the Internet.

        • Ellen says:

          Breivik’s are extremely political and much of what he wrote would be very difficult to distinguish from the pro-Israeli posts here.

          You can say that again!

          Breivik”… wants to explain acts he deemed ‘atrocious’ but ‘necessary’.
          link to reuters.com

          This is the exact same logic I first heard from a Zionist apologist on this site in reference to past Zionist atrocities: that it was horrendous, even horrible but “necessary.”

          I do not know what “liberal” Zionism can be. Any religious and pretend race-based nationalistic ideology to separate one people from another is the foundation of fascistic nationalism.

        • eljay says:

          >> This is the exact same logic I first heard from a Zionist apologist on this site in reference to past Zionist atrocities: that it was horrendous, even horrible but “necessary.”

          Breivik may not be able to “consistently say that ‘the mass murder of Norwegians is never necessary’”, but as long as he IS able to say that “currently its not necessary”, he can stand proudly beside RW as a fellow “humanist”.

        • seafoid says:

          “Atrocious but necessary” is copyright Benny Morris.

        • eljay says:

          >> “Atrocious but necessary” is copyright Benny Morris.

          And “‘required’ evil” is copyright eee.

        • Mooser says:

          “This is the exact same logic I first heard from a Zionist apologist on this site in reference to past Zionist atrocities: that it was horrendous, even horrible but “necessary.””

          Wait, don’t tell me, let me guess! He said he would “hold his nose while others did what he couldn’t” (That’s a paraphrase, the original wording was probably clumsier and his syntax fractured)

        • eljay says:

          >> (That’s a paraphrase, the original wording was probably clumsier and his syntax fractured)

          Have you learned nothing from James North? A paraphrased quote has single quotation marks around it, like this:
          >> Mooser says, ‘D’oh! eljay is absolutely right. And he’s very smart, too.’

          :-D

  6. In the UK, the BNP (British National Party, formerly the National Front) have absorbed latter day Zionism into their narrative of ‘England for the English’. It is quite extraordinary when you realise that these are the same people who, 20 or 30 years ago, would have been virulently anti-semitic, holocaust-denying etc. Now they hold up Israel as a model for their brand of small-minded, fake history racist program, which has also been quick to use anti-Islam rhetoric as a cover for endorsements of violence and prejudice. All of it, needless to say, ignorant and stupid, thankfully rejected by a huge majority in elections. Nevertheless the fact that they have forged a hybrid of Nazism and Zionism should be a wake up call for all those who indulge Zionist terrorism. What makes the BNP argument more insidious is that they can claim, correctly, that ‘we’ support the discrimination, exclusion and ethnocracy of apartheid Israel and its policies.
    So the nation which we are told was set up in order that fascism never happened again is, perversely and grotesquely, now an inspiration and model for those very people they supposedly repudiate. That is quite an achievement of Israel and its rampantly racist, supremacist ideology. A light unto nations has been transformed into a light for fascism. Zionism is having a disastrous effect on the world.

    • richb says:

      An encouraging thing I saw on AJE was a report that the attacks were bringing together native-born and immigrant Norwegians. The anti-immigrant right wing parties in Europe tried to nuance themselves from the other racist groups by showing they weren’t anti-Semitic. What we see (and more importantly Europeans see) that it’s not the anti-Semitism that makes these groups violent but rather the right-wing anti-immigrant racism. Now all anti-immigrant parties will be suspect and that lever used by Israel on European public opinion will be fading away. While I suspect this will affect European public opinion it will have little or no effect on American public opinion. So, the second effect will be increased isolation of the United States in foreign policy.

    • seafoid says:

      “So the nation which we are told was set up in order that fascism never happened again is, perversely and grotesquely, now an inspiration and model for those very people they supposedly repudiate.”

      It is a wonder that Israel has become the country of inspiration for the far right. But very logical at the same time.

  7. MHughes976 says:

    I suppose that there’s always been a strain of anti-Semitism which thinks that Jews are fine so long as they’re somewhere else.

    • Mooser says:

      “I suppose that there’s always been a strain of anti-Semitism which thinks that Jews are fine so long as they’re somewhere else.”

      Funny, that’s what people say about me, even if they don’t know I’m Jewish!

  8. Citizen says:

    Norwegian murderer’s political manifesto: link to t.co

  9. Ellen says:

    They can also be read as an embodiment of the mentality of a new and internationalized far-right movement that not only mobilizes hatred against Muslims, but is also able to produce figures who will kill innocent non-Muslims to save the Western way of life.

    It is not new, and not only deranged figures, but institutionalized by entire governments.

    We saw this over 15 years ago when mysteriously, Serbian snipers were found to be armed with Israeli shells and arms. We saw that a genocide against a European population was found to be armed with Israeli weapons, and this was never picked up by the mainstream media in the west; but briefly reportedly in Israeli media.

    To quote:

    “The collaboration of Israel’s inner establishment and radical Zionism—its secret ideology, with fascist powers around the globe that arose in the 20th century is beginning to become widely known. All the more reason to give close study to a leading exponent of today’s fascism— Serbia.

    To realize the goal of “Great Serbia,” Serbia has carried out a terrible “ethnic cleansing” particularly in Bosnia-Herzegovina. After the disintegration of Yugoslavia in 1991, the Serbs invaded first Croatia and next, Bosnia-Herzegovina. The Serbian aggression, which resulted in the massacre of over 200,000 Bosnian Muslims, possessed all the basic features of fascism: racism, aggression, worship of violence and bloodshed. Bearing this in mind, we may inquire if any connection with some radicals in the Israeli administration—almost a standard component of fascism—can be found in the Serbia as well.

    The Jerusalem Report (January 1995) provides an answer in a widely-noted article by Professor Igor Primoratz of the Hebrew University. The article was reprinted in the Jewish Ledger (New York) on February 9, 1995. The Washington Report on Middle East Affairs (April/May 1995) also reported on the professor’s article under the headline “Hebrew University Professor Deplores Israeli Support for Serbs.” As that title suggests, the article dealt with covert arms dealings between the Israeli inner establishment and Serbia committing mass murder against Muslims in Bosnia…

    …Politicians have sometimes referred to World War II: in that war, they say, the Serbs fought the Nazis and helped the Jews, while the Croats and the Muslims collaborated with the Nazis and helped exterminate Jews. This is an obvious distortion of Yugoslav history, in which there were collaborators and partisans from every ethnic group. It also presumes a type of biological virtue: because of what the parents and grandparents of Serbs, Croats, and Muslims did half a century ago, we should supposedly side with the Serbs as they perpetrate genocide and “ethnic cleansing” of Croats and Muslims today.

    Primoratz offered other details on the relations between the Serbs and certain groups of power and influence in Israel, who have supplied arms not only to Serbia, but also to the Bosnian Serbs, who did the actual killing…

    …..Primoratz draws a comparison between the Serbs and the Nazis, adding that “the first genocide in Europe since the Holocaust was carried out, in part, with arms made in Israel.”

    link to newcombat.net

    Can we hold our own governments accountable for complicity is crimes that are no less heinous than the recent event in Norway?

  10. gingershot says:

    great article, Max

    This Anti-Arab Zionist terror is actually ‘Israeli Settler Philosophy­’ – as perfected and pushed by the likes of Avigdor Lieberman, Netanyahu and the Israeli Lobby in the US.

    Israeli Settler Philosophy­ is now the main political force in the Israel of today – though it has also been underlying driving force for the decades it has taken to set up the modern Israeli Apartheid state as well

    The Israeli Lobby has successfully saturated the US with this message and mindset- they have the whole US congress primed to jump up and sieg heil Netanyahu and this ‘Israeli Settler Philosophy­’

    It’s just gotten a whole lot clearer since Breivik pulled it all out of the shadows and into the sunlight before the Israeli Lobby could obscure it. If there is something positive to come out of this massacre I wish it to be the part of the beginning of the end of this Anti-Arab Zio-terrorism

  11. HRK says:

    Okay, the idea of cultural marxism–I don’t know about the Frankfurt School–probably it was originated in a lot of places.

    If one assumes that all cultures are exactly alike in important (success-producing) ways then if there are any differences in outcomes the differences must be due to the lower-outcome group experiencing prejudice–obvious or (if there is no obvious prejudice) of the diffuse/everywhere/the-air-around-us variety. Hence, the government should step in and transfer money to the lower-outcome group until things are equal. But since equality of outcome is a long way off, there’ll be a lot of transfer payments between now and then. Marxism. And if you fight the transfer payments, you must be a hater because you don’t believe that ultimately all cultures are essentially all equally good at success production. (Note the incredibly optimistic underpinnings of such assumptions–perfection and equality can be achieved if only societal barriers are removed.)

    Is Jewish disproportionate representation in higher, elite educational institutions a sign that there is prejudice in favor of Jews? But the outcomes are different, right? You can see that this isn’t going to a good place.

    (Let me add that I’m no fan of elite educational institutions–state schools are just fine for everyone, if you ask me.)

    If there are differences in crime between two cultures, how do you account for it? Is it always the richer culture (or sub-culture if the two groups are in the same country) which is oppressing the poorer culture which accounts for the crime? Are the reasons always economic? Surely, the economic card is the easiest, least ugly one to play. Consequently, it will get a lot of play. And if we all focus on economics, then we’d better start redistributing to make things better. Again, Marxism.

    (By the way, I’m not against some redistribution toward those with low incomes, but the tough question is how much? Where’s the stopping point? And when race/ethnicity is involved. . . . This tug of war over resources–with those who want to stop earlier than others invariably being questioned over their “hate motives”–is one reason conservatives aren’t fond of multiculturalism.)

    What Breivik did was grotesquely sick and appalling. But I think some of what he said in his video–his attempting to call attention to the ills of cultural marxism should be trumpeted by all conservatives. White multiculturalists have attempted to pawn off their behavior as that belonging to a virtuous elite. But cultural marxism brings up ulterior motives for such “generous” attitudes. This upsets liberals, as up until this point their behavior could only be explained on altruistic grounds. (And who better to rule over all of us than the altruistic?)

    Because of this forum, let me add: I don’t see how the subject of cultural marxism influences the I/P debate. You don’t have to be a Marxist to be against Israeli expansion and for equality (although not defined in Marxist terms) for minorities already within Israel.

    (One last thing: I’m not under the impression that my side will win here. Our society will become increasingly multicultural, I believe. NOTE: I’ll be treating all citizens of whatever ethnicity/culture as my fellow brothers and sisters–those are my ethics, and I’m sticking with them. But I see problems–just as any historian can tell you of problems in areas with lots of people groups in close proximity (the Balkans, for example). So, in the future we get to see how much fun we have in a society where we must be reminded constantly by those with paste-on smiles that “Multiculturalism is our greatest strength!” I hope you won’t hate me, brothers and sisters on the left, when the going gets rough and you hear me say, “I told you so.”)

    • Mooser says:

      HRK, your sociological and political reasoning has all the depth of my bathroom mirror.
      But please don’t worry, no matter how much you are given by the government in an effort to insure your sucess, I won’t resent you.
      Sure, I know it’s all a futile effort, and you will fall flat on your face, but I won’t say “I told you so”.

      • Mooser says:

        For those who, like me, are not very au courant with the complex world of today, let me translate HRK’s little manifesto in terms more familiar:

        ‘It’s all the fault of those hippies, and Negro music! The world was lost the day “Shindig” and “Hullabaloo” replaced “Laurence Welk”‘

        • Mooser says:

          “What Breivik did was grotesquely sick and appalling. But I think some of what he said in his video–his attempting to call attention to the ills of cultural marxism should be trumpeted by all conservatives.”

          HRK, I would if there was a chance, but really, wasn’t it all over the day Aretha Franklin’s “Respect” became a No.1 hit? And all those white people started doing the “Frug” and (gasp) the “Watusi”?
          Let’s face it, HRK, our culture has been so mongrelised already, what’s the use?
          Surely you can’t be satisfied to expunge Muslim multiculturality from where our alabaster titties shine, only to leave us prey to the degrading African influence which it has already permeated our culture? What’s a white guy to do?

        • Mooser says:

          HRK, I’m sure it would help if you would just delineate for us the normative cultural values us white (well, in my case, sort of, maybe) should adhere to. Let’s start with the basics: Okay Islam is out, everybody knows that! But is Catholic or Potestant the normative value? And surely you can’t let the Christ-denying (if not Christ-exterminating) Jews have any influence, right?

          At any rate, I await, with baited breath (I just breath on ‘em and they jump in the boat) your explication of what our culture should consist of, so I know where I should make my life-or-death stand.

          First thing we do, of course, is get rid of that Islamic plague, Algebra!

        • HRK says:

          Never said this, never would.

        • HRK says:

          There’s a difference between accepting the multiculturalism you already have–and treating all people equally–and attempting to make your culture super diverse–as multicultural as humanly possible–which is what the left seems hell bent on doing. I’m pro the former, anti the latter. People end up in a country for many different reasons–some legal, some not. Once they’re citizens of the country (even if I disagreed with how they became citizens), I accept them as my fellow citizens–my “group” (to the extent I’m part of a group or groups) within society should in no way be privileged over their group.

          We don’t need any more immigration in the U.S. We’re full enough. Resources are being stretched. We need to protect our nature and our wild lands. And even if that weren’t the case, a super diverse society could very well be a society with lots of tension within it. That’d be great: resource problems combined with ethnic tension.

        • HRK says:

          Re. the Catholic/Protestant comment (why is it my comments are put all over the place as opposed to where I want them?!): Hey Mooser, did you realize that some Japanese people like to eat sushi three times a week, but other Japanese like to eat sushi four times a week. So I guess that proves there’s no such thing as Japanese culture, right?

          Re. vamoose/hammock/cigar comment: “Sushi” made it into the American vocabulary–so I guess that shows American culture is no different from Japanese culture (which, of course, we all know doesn’t exist to begin with, by dint of Mooser’s outstanding logic).

        • Mooser says:

          “Never said this, never would.”

          That’s because you don’t have the courage of your convictions (although you certainly seem to have their cowardice!). If you are going to complain about the degradation of our society and culture, you need to tell me what it should be like, so we know where it has fallen from, and what we have to restore. So, let’s get to it: Catholic or Protestant? Christ-denying Jews, or not? Rock and roll, with it’s attendant licentiousness, or Laurence Welk?

          When you talk about all that “cultural marxism” bullshit, all I hear is the same old racist dogwhistles.

        • Mooser says:

          “which is what the left seems hell bent on doing

          Gee, HRK, do you have a link for “the left”? I keep on Googling, trying to find this hell-bent organisations, but come up with nothing. Could you at least give me some names?
          Cause all I’m hearing is dog-whistles. Oh wait a minute, no wonder I keep on hearing dog-whistles, I’m mongrelised!

      • HRK says:

        Okay Mr. Deep, so then why am I reading your post thinking to myself, “What on earth is this person talking about?”

        Most of your response is just ad hominem. Why don’t you try to explain yourself in a clear and concise manner? Perhaps it’s because you can’t?

    • Ellen says:

      But I see problems–just as any historian can tell you of problems in areas with lots of people groups in close proximity (the Balkans, for example).

      You obviously know really nothing of Balkan history. Conflicts among groups were fed and stoked by governments and demagogues for their own purposes nationalistic aims.

      First you put people into identity boxes, then you make them afraid of the other box, while at the same time telling them you are from a better box, then you arm them. That is how it works.

      It is not about “lots of people groups in close proximity. ” That is a shallow and disingenuous understanding. Pathetic.

      • Mooser says:

        “lots of people groups in close proximity. “

        Ellen, it’s way worse than that! I am going to leave my hammock walk out on my patio (after putting out my cigar) and tell all those multiculturalists: “I am saavy, comrades and I know about Spanish attempts to invade our language! Vamoose I say, or a hurricane of retribution will follow!

        • Mooser says:

          “One last thing: I’m not under the impression that my side will win here. Our society will become increasingly multicultural, I believe.”

          Don’t worry, I’ll tell all the multiculturalists to stay off your lawn.

      • HRK says:

        Sure, Ellen. None of the conflict came about from the bottom up–it was all top down.

        Also, would you care to tell me your plan for ridding the world of demagogues? I’m all ears.

        • Mooser says:

          “We don’t need any more immigration in the U.S. We’re full enough.”

          How right you are. When are you leaving, interloper? Frankly, I think we should regularly replace worn out genetic and mentsal stock like yours with fresh material.
          And you still haven’t told me how you are going to determine what is the normative cultural situation from which we can not stray.

          All you are doing, HRK, is putting a really pathetic pseudo-intellectual (my apologies to real pseudo-intellectuals) gloss on bigotry and insecurity. And it shows, man, it shows.

          But damn, I wish all those Mexicans and Muslims hadn’t shot all the bison and de-forested most of the US.

        • Mooser says:

          “Also, would you care to tell me your plan for ridding the world of demagogues?”

          It’s pretty simple, HRK. All we need to do is read your post, which is pure demagoguery, and get rid of anybody else who talks like that.
          You can usually tell who they are; just look for people saying that human processes of cultural and population movement are orchestrated by a malign “cultural marxism”.

        • HRK says:

          And so what would you have in store for people like me, Mooser? How, exactly, would you “get rid of anybody else who talks like that”? Can you spare any of the juicy details?

          Wait, let me guess: Re-education camps? Gulags? Or perhaps this is where your beloved hate speech laws pick up the slack?

        • Mooser says:

          Oh, try not to pee your pants too much HRK, I’m sorry to scare yoiu so badly. Instead of “get rid of” I should have said “studiously ignore”.
          So you can stop trembling now.

    • lysias says:

      Kulturbolschewismus was a word much favored by the Nazis, and in particular by Dr. Goebbels. They, of course, associated it with the Jews.

      • Mooser says:

        I can’t defend a culture until I know what it is. I plan to make my life-or-death stand for American, I mean European, I mean Western, oh crap, anyway, I’ll stake my life on it…. as soon as HRK tells me what it is.
        And don’t worry folks, HRK, no matter how much he admires Breivek, has promised he won’t take action himself, he’s strictly a nose-holder.

        • Mooser says:

          HRK, if you are going to, like your hero, stand athwart history yelling “stop!” try and remember to zip your fly.

        • Mooser says:

          And HRK, while you are preparing the list of norms for American culture, those things we can’t let the scary brown people take away from us, hows about, about, well, homosexuality? Is that something we tolerate as the result of “cultural marxism” when we should be expunging it from our midst? I just don’t see how we’re gonna have a good All’Amerikan culture with a bunch of gay people poncing around?
          So don’t forget to tell me where gayness fits in to this. I guess we will have to get rid of them, huh? Or will it be enough just to keep them, you know, down, or down-low?
          I’m waiting HRK. I can’t possibly judge what is degrading us unless I know what we are supposed to be, so please, let me know.

          Only a demagogue would make vague allusions to a mythical better or purer culture which we must restore, or try to hang on to, without telling us exactly what it is. Well, facists do that too, of course.

        • HRK says:

          “How much he admires Brievek”?

          Pathetic. And slanderous.

          And the radical agnosticism about “culture”? Define “liberty,” “rights,” “ethical behavior.” Then I’ll precisely define culture for you.

        • Mooser says:

          “And the radical agnosticism about “culture”?”

          I have very strrong ideas about culture, and strong beliefs to hold to where ideas fail.
          And one thing I’m very sure of is this: you wouldn’t know culture if it bit you on the ass. You simply ain’t got none.

          I’ve been listening to this crap all my life. When I was young, it was the Negroes and the Commies who were gonna bring us down to the level of the beasts of the field. Then it was rock’n’roll and the hippies. Now it’s the Muzzies and the Gays.

        • Mooser says:

          Lemme put it as plain as I can HRK: What you call “Multicultural Marxism” I know as civil rights. Good old American civil rights.
          My civil rights, too. What kind of gratification you get from thinking you are above civil rights by virtue of your it makes me nauseous to think about.

          So put that in your pipe and clog it.

        • Citizen says:

          Seems to me, Mooser, that the road to serfdom lies more in the ever-growing income gap and the IRS code, which is a welfare giveaway to big corporations and the wealthy. Of course, those on the low end contribute mightily by their own gaming of the system, also incorporated in the IRS code–just watch a few episode of Judge Judy, and you will get my drift, the part you’re not mentioning. The net result is that honest, hard-working citizens get it from both parties. And, on top of that, they also pay through the nose for Israel uber alles.

  12. seafoid says:

    link to irishtimes.com

    “Dr Colin Poole, head of surgery at Ringriket Hospital in Honefoss north-west of Oslo, said the gunman used special bullets designed to disintegrate inside the body and cause maximum internal damage. Dr Poole said surgeons treating 16 gunshot victims have recovered no full bullets.
    “These bullets more or less exploded inside the body,” Dr Poole said. “It’s caused us all kinds of extra problems in dealing with the wounds they cause, with very strange trajectories”

    Mustafa Barghouti gave a presentation about these bullets a few years ago. Israel also uses them against civilians.

    • lysias says:

      Any explanation for how Breivik got those bullets? Are they normally available for purchase in Norway? (Doesn’t sound like a bullet that would be that useful for hunting.)

      • richb says:

        I wonder if they are the same as these from a 2001 Village Voice article on so-called disintegrating bullets used by the IDF on Palestinians.

        link to ifamericansknew.org

        The high rates of crippling injuries are in large part due to the fragmenting bullets fired by M16s. The American-made Colt weapons, introduced during the Vietnam War as lightweight field rifles capable of inflicting maximum damage on the enemy, are being used increasingly by the Israel Defense Forces against civilian demonstrators. The M16 ammunition often breaks into tiny pieces after penetration, ripping up muscle and nerve and causing multiple internal injuries, much like those of the internationally banned dumdum bullets.

        Forensics experts in the United States and Europe, who agreed for this article to examine the X rays of Fouad Mahed and other wounded Palestinians, confirm repeated casualties from M16s, shotguns, and other live ammunition. These images, together with other X rays seen in West Bank and Jordanian hospitals, show a pattern some forensics specialists call a “lead snowstorm,” the fragmentation of high-velocity military ammunition, fired at civilians. Many of the wounded were hit at short range—less than 100 meters—compounding internal damage.

      • Djinn says:

        Many countries actually mandate expanding bullets (dum dum being a nickname for several different types) for big game hunting.

        They’re readily available in Norway.

  13. mig says:

    Learning to love the Jews: the impact of the War on
    Terror and the counter-jihad blogosphere on European
    far right parties.
    By Toby Archer, The Finnish Institute of International Affairs.

    link to uit.no

  14. lysias says:

    BBC: Anders Behring Breivik claims ‘two more cells’:

    Norwegian police are investigating claims by Anders Behring Breivik, who has admitted carrying out Friday’s twin attacks in Norway, that he has “two more cells” working with him.

    Mr Breivik made the claim at his first court hearing since the bombing in Oslo and massacre at an island youth camp.

    Police have now revised down the island killings from 86 to 68 but increased the bomb death toll by one to eight.

    At least 100,000 people have gathered in Oslo for a vigil for the victims.