More land grab in West Bank

I know there are denialists who will never pronounce the two state solution dead, no matter how old and rotten the corpse. Isn’t this just another shovel of dirt on the quite decayed body? Akiva Eldar in Haaretz:


The [Israeli Defense Force] Civil Administration is taking steps to increase state-ownership of West Bank lands, an internal military document reveals. The policy enables increased construction not only around settlement blocs like Ariel, Ma’aleh Adumim and Gush Etzion, but also in strategic areas like the Jordan Valley and Dead Sea….

The inclusion of the Jordan Valley, northern Dead Sea and area surrounding Ariel in the “settlement blocs” whose takeover the administration is advancing, would prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state with territorial contiguity. In addition, the scope of land in question thwarts the possibility of exchanging areas in a peace settlement, according to the formula presented by U.S. President Barack Obama on May 19.

This is because on the western side of the Green Line there is not enough open land to compensate the Palestinians for such an extensive annexation

Posted in Israel/Palestine

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  1. Chaos4700 says:

    Witty’s “Jewish self-determination” at work. And why not ridicule him here? He isn’t going to read or comment on this article.

    • Shingo says:

      You are right Chaos,

      He won’t read any comments, other than to explain to us how our (Matthew’s) understanding is incomplete and how this latest land grab, far from being another nail in the coffin of the 2ss, actually proves it’s viability.

    • eljay says:

      >> The [Israeli Defense Force] Civil Administration is taking steps to increase state-ownership of West Bank lands … This is because on the western side of the Green Line there is not enough open land to compensate the Palestinians for such an extensive annexation.

      This latest move is in line with RW’s definition of the acquisition of “enough Israel” by the “Jewish state”:

      RW: There is a need for “enough Israel” (at the green line if in the context of a peace.)

      (I love that “if in the context of peace” disclaimer. So as long as there is no “context of a peace” – say there is only “context of improving bargaining position” – “enough Israel” has no boundaries.)

  2. seafoid says:

    The settlers have Israel by the balls. And they don’t care about any thing as insignificant as geopolitical shifts.

    Israel has a real problem now because the only way Israel can pass this off internationally is by continuing the charade of the peace process . The Palestinians won’t play ball, however.
    Neither will the Arabs.

    September is going to bring a lot of unwanted light onto a very dark subject and Israel is in no position to hasbara its way out .

    • Chaos4700 says:

      I think you’re still making the mistake that Israel and Israeli settlers aren’t one and the same. Seriously, what is there to Israel that does not revolve around colonial property seizures and eradicating the Palestinian historical record?

    • Shingo says:

      Don’t put it past Bibbi to insist that this land grab is necessary for Israel’s security.

  3. I certainly don’t buy the contention that these actions portend the death of Israel. Quite to the contrary, Israel comes out on top as long as the United States continues to subsidize and abet Israel’s actions.

    When you remove the horrible human rights abuses from the equation, it becomes quite simple: Israel is growing, expanding. Every inch of land it steals is land that will never be returned.

    Every time this effin’ piece of sh*t Secretary Of State Hillary Clinton ignores yet one more land grab, (or one more American citizen maimed while engaged in legal peaceful protest, or one more Israeli act of piracy on the high seas, or one more Israeli legislative proposal that MANDATES bigotry), Netanyahu and his skull faced ghouls feel further empowered to continue the thefts and the abuses.

    I see we are about to piss away a few more billion, ceded over to a nation enjoying a robust economy, while we go bankrupt, and this neutered fraud in the Oval Office sells us out to the corporatists on the right.

    Too misinformed, cowardly, and lazy to take to the streets, we’ve given away our power.

    We’re fucked. Welcome to the New America, the one that the Founding Fathers warned us about.

  4. US House C’ttee saves Israeli aid in foreign aid cut

    The US House Foreign Affairs Committee slashed foreign aid for the Palestinians, Egypt, Lebanon, and Yemen.

    21 July 11 12:13, Ran Dagoni, Washington

    The US House Foreign Affairs Committee yesterday cut the Obama administration’s $51 billion 2012 budget request for the State Department and foreign aid by $6.4 billion, but kept unchanged the $3 billion in military aid for Israel.
    Commentators say that the committee vote is a direct challenge to President Barack Obama. The Republican majority in the House of Representatives is trying to limit Obama’s freedom of action in handling foreign policy and to minimize US contributions to international organizations – especially the UN. An Israeli source told “Globes” that the Foreign Affairs Committee slashed foreign aid for the Palestinians, Egypt, Lebanon, and Yemen, until the President certifies that these governments are “not directly or indirectly controlled by a foreign terrorist organization”, and eliminated military and civilian aid altogether for Pakistan, until the Secretary of State certifies Pakistan’s cooperation in the war on terror and the effectiveness of civilian programs.

    The Republican majority in the House means that the bill will be easily passed. However, the Democratic majority in the Senate has its own version of the foreign aid and State Department budget bill. The Senate version gives Obama the freedom of action that the House is trying to take away. The joint Senate-House committee will have to reconcile the two versions, and the final version will undoubtedly remove the House clauses limiting the administration.

    Bipartisan support for Israel keeps US military aid intact a year after Congress ratified the US-Israeli agreement that formalizes US aid for Israel through 2018. Under this agreement, US aid will increase by $150 million to $3 billion in fiscal year 2012, which begins on October 1, 2011. Aid will increase by another $150 million in fiscal year 2013, and stay at this level until 2018. The bill explicitly includes aid for specific programs, such as anti-missile programs.

    The statement by House Committee chairwoman Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (Republican – Florida) says, “The U.S.-Israel alliance is vital to the safety and security of both nations, and this bill continues Congress’s bipartisan commitment of fully funding security assistance for Israel.”

    continues….

    link to globes.co.il

  5. seafoid says:

    Oslo has been bombed. I wonder if we can expect more attacks on europe as the September vote gets nearer.

  6. I liked Eldar’s article.

    He makes the point that if accepted, the additional construction authorization would cut the West Bank in two, making even a contiguous West Bank impossible.

    He’s warning, not declaring.

    The logic of the two-state remains.

    • Shingo says:

      The logic of the two-state has never gone away Witty.

      The possibility of the two-state has.

      • eljay says:

        >> The logic of the two-state has never gone away Witty.
        >> The possibility of the two-state has.

        Only so long as the “context of a peace” does not exist, sure. Given its actions to date, however, it is perfectly clear that Israel is eager to develop a “context of a peace” so that it can acquire “enough Israel” up to the green line (which, according to some definitions, is “from the med to the sea”) and no further.

      • “The logic of the two-state has never gone away Witty.

        The possibility of the two-state has.”

        Thanks for the acknowledgement of the logic.

        Likud certainly screwed up the realization of what was reasonable. I don’t know how far gone it is.

        I’m hoping for electoral change in Israel, and my comments are oriented to that.

        I don’t see it happening though. I see more polarization.

        • Shingo says:

          It wasn’t Likud certainly screwed up the realization of what was reasonable. The Palestine Papers releaved that the 2ss was DOA before Likud won the election.

          No electoral change in Israel will save it. The settlements make a Palestinian state impossible.

        • Shmuel says:

          Likud?

          Like the coalitions led by Rabin, Peres, Barak, Sharon and Olmert?

          Here’s a map that shows the collective handiwork of Labour, Likud and Kadima in the West Bank (note how much contiguous land is still left for a viable Palestinian state – maybe even two or three): link to peacenow.org

        • Chaos4700 says:

          On top of that there has never BEEN a dominant Israeli faction or coalition that HASN’T seen the settlements expand under their leadership.

          This isn’t just Likud. This is Israel. All of it.

        • You are saying dead, killed.

          Some actions by labor and kadima stressed the two-state approach, some furthered it. Most of the actions of likud stresed.

          Lots of things, lots of organizations, lots of solidarity actions, stressed the two-state approach.

          As the logic of it is what determines its practicality ultimately, it remains very much alive, even if dormant.

          If you desire to kill it, why not be honest?

          There ALWAYS remains the acceptance of the settlers as Palestinian citizens. Definitely, the implied annexation to Israeli territory, stresses it deeply.

        • eljay says:

          >> As the logic of it is what determines its practicality ultimately, it remains very much alive, even if dormant.

          Yes, it’s so firmly logical and so stubbornly dormant that it may never wake up, no matter how much “enough Israel” is acquired!

          You’re just too much, you ol’ Zio-supremacist, you. :-\

        • Shingo says:

          Some actions by labor and kadima stressed the two-state approach, some furthered it. Most of the actions of likud stresed.

          All all of Labor, Kadoma and Liked failed to produce a 2ss.

          As the logic of it is what determines its practicality ultimately, it remains very much alive, even if dormant.

          Logic is no guarantee of outcome Witty. If logic was the most significant factor, there would be NO settlements in the West Bank or East Jerusalem. Logic is not what drives Israel, it is ideology.

          Logic is nto what drives you for that matter, which is why you invent quotes and reject evidence that debunks your comments.

          keep trying to revive the dead parrot Mr Cleese.

        • Chaos4700 says:

          If you desire to kill it, why not be honest?

          Back at you, sweetie. When are you going to support JUST the Green Line, and not “the Green Line… plus at least half the settlements, and whatever else the Jewish nation can strongarm by extorting Palestine for land they are squatting on and resources in occupied territories they are appropriating to support Israel proper.”

          You are the WORST advocate against the two state solution. You keep moving the goalposts until the Israelis can’t fart without scoring a goal, and meanwhile the Palestinians are hogtied with you standing on their backs bemoaning their inability to build institutions when Israel bombs them out of existence. Literally bombs them out of existence.

        • Cliff says:

          Dick Witty never provides evidence for his abstract pretentious spittle.

          If you care, then you’ll at least make a minimal attempt at a concrete argument, Witty.

          If you seek to change minds, instead of exercise your pathology, you’ll quit the song and dance.

          You have 10,000 comments of the same bullshit. Why do you continue to post in the style that you do? You aren’t convincing anyone. It’s universal. Your opponents may not by-definition be correct, but we are direct and clear. We have references and use them cogently.

          Can you say the same for yourself? Do you provide evidence? Or do you PREACH here, endlessly?

          Get outside. Get a job. You need some stability in your mind other than this website. I honestly think you should see a psychiatrist. 10,000 comments of nothingness is an illness.

        • Mooser says:

          “Get outside. Get a job.”

          These days, the first thing to do with a job applicant is Google him. Where would that leave Witty? I don’t think we will see Richard amongst the ranks of the gainfully employed anytime soon.

    • Chaos4700 says:

      Only if you categorically condemn the settlement activity. YOU DON’T. You keep insisting that some number (most?) of the settlements MUST remain and they MUST remain Israeli.

      You have nothing but condemnation for anything Arab — anything non-Zionist, really — and then when you’re faced with Israel DIRECTLY making the two state solution IMPOSSIBLE, your response is tepid and flippant.

      Like you really fucking care.

      • Cliff says:

        Witty is a racist. He supports ethnic cleansing and any other method of propping up Zionism. So long as Zionism requires expulsion, subjugation, etc. – Dick will continue to blame the victims and make excuses.

        The best cover for Israel has been the peace process.

        See: Palestine papers