Knesset to vote on full Israeli annexation of the West Bank

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Danny Danon, who recently appeared with Rick Perry in New York, announced today that the Knesset will vote on his bill to annex the West Bank at the end of October. The bill also nullifies the Oslo Accords, ending all Israeli agreements with the Palestinian Authority.

The JTA reports it mirrors a bill being considered in the U.S. congress and seems to have support among leaders of the coalition government:

It was submitted in line with a similar initiative in the U.S. Congress offered by Rep. Joe Walsh (R-Ill.), which calls for supporting Israel’s rights to annex the West Bank should the Palestinian Authority move forward with its statehood bid without negotiating.

Meanwhile, a letter signed by the leaders of four ruling coalition factions — Likud Party chairman Ze’ev Elkin, Shas chairman Avraham Michaeli, Habayit Hayehudi chairman Uri Orbach, and National Union leader Yaakov Katz — asks Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to annex Jewish-settled areas of the West Bank and calls for increased construction in those areas.

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  1. MRW
    September 27, 2011, 3:11 pm

    Should be interesting.

  2. seafoid
    September 27, 2011, 3:23 pm

    I can’t believe the Jews are so f8cking stupid as to kill their own state because they don’t have the guts to stands up to the Masada cult of the settlers.

    • annie
      September 27, 2011, 3:42 pm

      i fear this represents more than just the Masada cult of the settlers.

      also, this is not ‘the jews’ which implies all the jews.

      • seafoid
        September 27, 2011, 4:23 pm

        Of course not, Annie. How many non Zionist Jews are there? As many as a million ?

        And don’t forget Bibi’s UN speech. ON BEHALF OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE. The arrogance. But I take him at his word.

      • James
        September 27, 2011, 5:03 pm

        this would seem to be the main problem with a modern state defining itself in religious terms… the country ends up hijacking anyone who happens to share the religion, in spite of the fact many will not be living in israel… then again, perhaps that was the idea – to make sure all those of jewish descent, regardless of their location would have an ‘emotional’ attachment that would interfere with their ability to look objectively on what the country of israel has done and continues to do in the name of the jewish religion…

      • annie
        September 27, 2011, 11:12 pm

        don’t forget Bibi’s UN speech. ON BEHALF OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE. The arrogance. But I take him at his word.

        i am sure there is nothing bibi would prefer than for everyone to take him at his word, and for his word to be true. i’m sure he’d like nothing better than to be king of the jews. but he’s not and the policies of israel do not represent all jews, whether they do to some people or not. so i would just like to empower the voices of jews i like. imho we throw our friends under the buss when we pretend they don’t count and don’t matter and are voiceless. my point is not to have an argument with anyone about who is more right. or whether there are a million or multiple millions or whatever.

        it’s just my nature, i can’t hear something that grinds away at what i believe to be true and not say something. so i will repeat

        “the Jews are so f8cking stupid as to kill their own state ”

        not all jews. not by a long shot.

      • seafoid
        September 28, 2011, 3:23 am

        Annie

        You have to see the Zionist strategy for what it is.

        link to mfa.gov.il

        As the prime minister of Israel, I speak for a hundred generations of Jews who were dispersed throughout the lands, who suffered every evil under the sun, but who never gave up hope of restoring their national life in the one and only Jewish state.

        They have all been herded into the bus called Israel whether they realise it or not. And the bus is headed for the cliff.

        It’s a freak show par excellence .

        And do you think the people in the refugee camps of Peshawar and the
        offices in Penang and on the streets of Cairo are going to notice the distinction ?

      • Shingo
        September 28, 2011, 3:59 am

        As the prime minister of Israel, I speak for a hundred generations of Jews who were dispersed throughout the lands, who suffered every evil under the sun, but who never gave up hope of restoring their national life in the one and only Jewish state.

        Holy delusion of grandeur Batman!! This is the mother of all ego trips and father of all God complexes.

      • seafoid
        September 28, 2011, 7:02 am

        Holy delusion of Grandeur

        On behalf of all your ancestors and you and your immediate family I must now bomb a hospital in Gaza with white phosphorous

      • eljay
        September 28, 2011, 8:28 am

        >> As the prime minister of Israel, I speak for a hundred generations of Jews who were dispersed throughout the lands, who suffered every evil under the sun, but who never gave up hope of restoring their national life in the one and only Jewish state.

        Pope Bibi I!

      • RoHa
        September 28, 2011, 8:32 am

        “a hundred generations of Jews … never gave up hope of restoring their national life in the one and only Jewish state. ”

        Did a hundred generations of Jews really have the hope of “restoring their national life”? Did they really care?

        (This is not a rhetorical question. I really want to know.)

      • seafoid
        September 28, 2011, 9:03 am

        Bibi was on a roll at the UN

        This excerpt of Zionist poetry is surprisingly omitted from the foreign Ministry transcript. I wonder why.

        The struggle against this fanaticism does not pit faith against faith nor civilization against civilization. It pits civilization against barbarism, the 21st century against the 9th century, those who sanctify life against those who glorify death. The primitivism of the 9th century ought to be no match for the progress of the 21st century. The allure of freedom, the power of technology, the reach of communications should surely win the day.

      • Kathleen
        September 28, 2011, 9:26 am

        He has his signet ring for heavens sake.

        Clearly Israel has never wanted peace. Never. Just more and more territory.

      • clairseoir
        September 28, 2011, 10:09 am

        Annie, I have made similar points to Seafóid in the past. I’m afraid we are wasting our breath; his mind appears to be made up that Jews are enemy. This kind of rhetoric gives anti-zionists a bad name, and we know what that fucking name is.

      • hophmi
        September 28, 2011, 10:10 am

        That’s why it spent 20 years negotiating. Yeah, that’s it. It’s totally consistent with a desire for more territory to spend decades negotiating. Israel withdrew from Yamit. It withdrew from Gaza. This is not a country that wants more territory. This is a country that wants peace, but not at the price of its security.

      • Woody Tanaka
        September 28, 2011, 11:15 am

        “That’s why it spent 20 years negotiating.”

        No it didn’t. It spent 20 years negotiating while it continued to gobble up Palestine.

        “It’s totally consistent with a desire for more territory to spend decades negotiating.”

        Yes, it is, if you are gobbling territory while you are negotiating, then the desire for negotiations is a strategy.

        “Israel withdrew from Yamit. It withdrew from Gaza. This is not a country that wants more territory.”

        So I guess someone is holding a gun to its head and forcing it into continuing to expand its settlement programs and Judiafy Arab East Jerusalem???

        “This is a country that wants peace, but not at the price of its security.”

        No, this is a country that claims it wants people, but refuses to give up its expansion project, even if it suffers insecurity as a result.

      • seafoid
        September 28, 2011, 5:18 pm

        Clairseoir

        It’s a total car crash and rolling out the antisemitism turd isn’t going to change it.

        It’s very hard for people who work for justice in the Middle East to stomach news such as :

        Museum officials insisted that their abrupt about-face had nothing to do with pressure from the Jewish Federation of the Greater East Bay and other pro-Israel Jewish groups that threatened to withhold funding if the museum went ahead with the exhibit. But these same groups gloated on the Internet about getting the exhibit canceled.

        the worst are full of passionate conviction.

        Of course there are Jewish activists working on the other side but they have a lot of shit to clear up in the Augean stables of Zionism.

        And people in the Muslim world don’t see the distinctions. Maybe that’s the way the Israeli government likes it.

      • clairseoir
        September 28, 2011, 5:45 pm

        A Sheafóide: I agree it’s almost always a turd, but even a stopped clock is right twice a day. Maybe you should be proud to be the exception that makes the rule!

      • annie
        September 28, 2011, 10:49 pm

        it’s frustrating clairseoir. but i’m going back there any minute and giving it another shot. i will not give in to the memes of netanyahu. everyone should be denouncing this crap and saying NO, this certainly doesn’t represent all jews. but…nooooo. why don’t we all just throw the righteous ones under a bus and pretend they make no difference. when in reality they DO. odd because in a way it very much signifies they don’t even think this site makes a difference. and it does. our voices are making a huge difference (granted i am not jewish but still i stand in solidarity w/palestinians and jews in this movement) to the point millions and millions are being spent to counter our voices. and when you look at groups like sjp, jvp, bds movement, free gaza, end the occupation, european flotilla movement, code pink..i could go on and on and on. identified as the ‘hubs of deligitimization’ by ruet..all of these groups have literally thousand of jews. but like..they don’t exist or even count according to netanyahu and …posters on this site apparently. very frustrating. when i think about the amount of time and energy i have devoted to this movement..well multiply that by hundreds of thousands of hrs in culmination. how long will it take for any recognition, ANY for the jews amoungst us fighting for justice.

        unbelievably discouraging to hear this kind of rhetoric on this blog. just mindblowing.

        happy new year. think i’ll just cry a little more.

        (edit: and that speaks nothing for local groups all across america like meca. groups that don’t have thousands of members but very much supported by local jews)

      • annie
        September 28, 2011, 11:02 pm

        And people in the Muslim world don’t see the distinctions.

        maybe you should give these communities more credit. sure, they’ve got masses of people to match the masses of white trailer trash just like we have in this country but the muslim world is not totally comprised of a bunch of racist idiots. i think there are an abundance smart enough to realize all jews are not zionists.

        you have to have a vision, a good vision and then build off that vision. it’s detrimental to our movement to pretend each and everyone of us can’t make a difference. we are growing and jews in the movement are vital. VITAL. muslims in our movement are vital. VITAL. please, just show some respect.

      • RoHa
        September 28, 2011, 11:08 pm

        “i think they are smart enough to realize all jews are not zionists.”

        Do you mean “to realize not all jews are zionists”?

        “All Jews are not Zionists” is demonstrably false.

      • annie
        September 28, 2011, 11:13 pm

        Did a hundred generations of Jews really have the hope of “restoring their national life”? Did they really care?

        (This is not a rhetorical question. I really want to know.)

        there’s something like 5-7 generations in a hundred years. so a hundred generations dates back hundreds of years before the concept of nationalism even existed. obviously the answer is no.

      • annie
        September 28, 2011, 11:17 pm

        RoHa, i suppose i stand corrected. i do appreciate the patience you’ve shown me over the years wrt my unwordliness. or perhaps that’s unwordiness. i’m sure there’s a name for my clumsy bastardization of the english language.

      • RoHa
        September 28, 2011, 11:43 pm

        Patience? That doesn’t sound like me.

      • RoHa
        September 28, 2011, 11:43 pm

        “the answer is no.”

        Thanks.

      • LeaNder
        September 29, 2011, 7:59 am

        Pope? No, but maybe Moshiach, Bibi. The leader to the final utopia. Were is RW. He could add some insights from India, all creation is necessarily based on destruction, that’s the accompanying dystopia element we are witnessing.

      • Erasmus
        September 30, 2011, 4:06 am

        Re: annie September 28, 2011 at 11:13 pm

        “there’s something like 5-7 generations in a hundred years.”

        only as an aside-remark, Annie:
        Even with due “respect” for Jewish Singularity and average Fertility performance, how on earth are 5-7 generations in a century possible??

  3. seafoid
    September 27, 2011, 3:25 pm

    Obama speaks to the Jews on rosh hashanah

    link to youtube.com

    And if you play it backwards he says clearly “Next year in Brooklyn you dumb schmucks”

  4. annie
    September 27, 2011, 3:29 pm

    heaven help us

    • Real Jew
      September 27, 2011, 4:14 pm

      Seriously! Wtf will they think of next? Expulsion if Lieberman gets his way. Honestly, I hope this bill does pass. And in doing so I’d hope the international community will realize how far astray this govt is leading the country and support the “unilateral” push for Palestinian statehood

      • annie
        September 27, 2011, 11:21 pm

        it’s almost incomprehensible they would pull this move now as a response to the UN bid. it demonstrates their desperate, weak inflexibility. it is almost as if they think the world will stand still for them another few decades as they plunder and kill with abandon.

        there is a sadistic streak in their policies.

      • Real Jew
        September 27, 2011, 11:53 pm

        Ugh! For the love of God! And I honestly thought they were bluffing when Israel said there will be “serious consequences”, figured it was just a scare tactic to dissuade the Pals from going through with it.

        Why doesn’t the international community see things as we do? Politics is so evil

      • annie
        September 28, 2011, 10:32 pm

        Why doesn’t the international community see things as we do?

        they do.

      • thankgodimatheist
        September 28, 2011, 3:28 am

        “Wtf will they think of next? Expulsion if Lieberman gets his way.”

        No need for that, real Jew. The areas to be annexed are the settlements and surroundings. All Arabs free. They’ve got it all figured out.

      • Real Jew
        September 28, 2011, 12:31 pm

        “They’ve got it all figured out”

        I’m sure they’ve had it all figured out a long time ago. Just waiting for the right time to implement. Sneaky zios

  5. Eva Smagacz
    September 27, 2011, 3:30 pm

    Sometimes when you lance a boil:

  6. Dan Crowther
    September 27, 2011, 3:32 pm

    This generation of Israeli leaders wants its own glory:

    link to eurasiareview.com

    “During a moment of frustration caused by his inability to recruit support in the IDF for such an attack, Barak scolded officers in the General Staff, saying that with “such a caliber of officers, Israel would never have won the Six Day War.”

    Throw your soldiers into positions whence there is no escape, and they will prefer death to flight. If they will face death, there is nothing they may not achieve.
    - Sun Tzu

  7. Robert
    September 27, 2011, 3:35 pm

    Eva,

    Just don’t boil my lance.

    Rob

  8. eee
    September 27, 2011, 3:36 pm

    The bill is just to annex the Jewish settled areas. Will this bring peace? No. But neither will unilateral steps by the Palestinians.

    • annie
      September 27, 2011, 3:40 pm

      there’s nothing unilateral about going to the UN. it is against internationla law to unilaterally annex land. that is what israel is doing. big dif

      also, since when does ” full Israeli annexation of the West Bank” translate into ‘just the settled areas’? do you have any link to back up your assertion?

      • eee
        September 27, 2011, 3:48 pm

        Leaving the Oslo framework is a unilateral act.

        Just read the bill that the coalition supports, it is right up there in the post:
        Meanwhile, a letter signed by the leaders of four ruling coalition factions — Likud Party chairman Ze’ev Elkin, Shas chairman Avraham Michaeli, Habayit Hayehudi chairman Uri Orbach, and National Union leader Yaakov Katz — asks Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to annex Jewish-settled areas of the West Bank and calls for increased construction in those areas.

        If some annexation bill passes, it will be for settled areas only.

      • mig
        September 27, 2011, 4:22 pm

        Ahem, it was Israel who left Oslo framework long time ago ? Wanna see that video about Bibi again ? After that neither of sides has told which parts of Oslo agreement are still valid. Your years late eee…

      • seafoid
        September 27, 2011, 4:27 pm

        “Settled areas only” is such a crock.

        40% of the West Bank is settled, habibi
        You can’t annex individual hilltops. That’s not how YESHA was designed.

        Remember the schmucks of Ramat Migron.
        Remember that by now the Palestinians were supposed to have surrendered and dispersed into Galut.

        And lets all pray Kaddish for Israel

      • Woody Tanaka
        September 27, 2011, 4:28 pm

        “Leaving the Oslo framework is a unilateral act.”

        Oslo’s been dead for years, if Israel even had any intent to live up to its commitments and the process. It exists — to the extent it does — solely as a way of the Israeli Jews to control the lives of non-Jewish population and to keep them from acheiving their human, civil and political rights and equality.

      • seafoid
        September 27, 2011, 5:31 pm

        eee

        Under this genius plan what happens to the Palestinians in the West Bank?

        Is Jordan supposed to take them under its wing?

        And when will you start rebuilding the Temple ?

      • Shingo
        September 27, 2011, 6:04 pm

        Leaving the Oslo framework is a unilateral act.

        So is sabotaging it , as Bibbi boasted of doing.

        BTW. I saw Miko Prled speaking last night and it was a real privilege. A truly inspiring man.

        Anyway, he tells the spry about how his father, having read the Oslo accords, declared it was proof Rabin did not want peace. According to his father, Oslo was simply a framework for Osrael to control the Palestinians.

      • Shingo
        September 27, 2011, 6:06 pm

        If some annexation bill passes, it will be for settled areas only.

        Bullshit eee. What about the roads that cris cross the WB? What about the Jordan valley? What does that leave? Nothing!

      • Shingo
        September 27, 2011, 6:13 pm

         It exists — to the extent it does — solely as a way of the Israeli Jews to control the lives of non-Jewish population and to keep them from acheiving their human, civil and political rights and equality.

        As Miko Peled pointed out in his speech last night, that’s all Oslo ever was Woody. His father pointed that out in the early 90′s.

      • Chaos4700
        September 27, 2011, 6:52 pm

        Israel NEVER adhered to Oslo in the first place! You’re such an overt liar, eee.

      • kalithea
        September 27, 2011, 8:46 pm

        So whaaaaaaaaaaat if it is!! Those “settled areas” are Palestinian land!!! Get that through your thick skul!

      • Hostage
        September 28, 2011, 2:10 am

        Leaving the Oslo framework is a unilateral act.

        The Oslo Accords expired on September 13, 2000. FYI, deciding to continue the military occupation after that date as if nothing had happened was a unilateral act.

    • Charon
      September 27, 2011, 5:58 pm

      Nobody recognizes Israeli annexations.

      Golan Heights is occupied Syria

      East Jerusalem is occupied Palestine

    • Memphis
      September 27, 2011, 9:17 pm

      I suppose Israel has never done unilateral actions eh? GTFOH

      It’s too bad there is a comments policy. Cause I would love to tell you how much of a piece of shit you are.

  9. pabelmont
    September 27, 2011, 3:38 pm

    If “annex” means to extend one’s country’s legal system to a territory, then do all the (presently present) Palestinians within (the full territory of) Mandatory Palestine become citizens and get to vote? (I know, I know, gotta read the new law’s text. Mumble, mumble.) After all, all Palestinians presently present in (pre-war) Israeli territory (you know, annexed to nothing whatsoever after the 1948 war) were made citizens and allowed to vote.

    • eee
      September 27, 2011, 3:51 pm

      Only the Jewish settled areas will be annexed and any Palestinian living there will get to choose if he wants to be an Israeli citizen, like the Druze in the Golan or the Arabs of East Jerusalem.

      • Dan Crowther
        September 27, 2011, 4:04 pm

        sounds like eee has the scoop

      • seafoid
        September 27, 2011, 4:29 pm

        2002 map of the settlements .Look at where they are located and how they split the West Bank into islands

        link to btselem.org

        They are cancer

        If Israel annexes them Israel will die

      • lysias
        September 27, 2011, 4:40 pm

        The JTA article says the letter signed by the four coalition leaders calls only for annexing Jewish-settled areas, but it also says that Danon’s proposal is for full annexation of the West Bank.

        And the latter is also what the proposal in the U.S. House of Representatives calls for:

        The resolution “supports Israel’s right to annex Judea and Samaria in the event that the Palestinian Authority continues to press for unilateral recognition of Palestinian statehood at the United Nations.”

        And Danon says this House proposal is also what he wants:

        Danny Danon, a deputy Knesset speaker belonging to the governing Likud Party, praised the initiative and said it was modeled on the legislation he proposed on settlement annexation.

        Note that Ha’aretz has the same to say about the House proposal: U.S. Republicans submit resolution supporting Israel’s right to annex West Bank :

        U.S. Representative Joe Walsh (R-IL), introduced on Monday [presumably Sept. 5] a resolution (with 30 co-sponsors) to support Israel’s right to annex the West Bank in the event that the Palestinian Authority continues to push for vote at the United Nations.

      • WeAreAllMadeOfStars
        September 27, 2011, 4:49 pm

        If you have any doubt, check this out :
        “There is place only for one state on the land of Israel …. I do not believe in a two-state solution”
        Dany Danon in an interview with Al-Jazzeera on August 5
        link to english.aljazeera.net

      • seafoid
        September 27, 2011, 5:06 pm

        Danon is pathetic.

        Is he Mizrahi ? I wouldn’t put him in charge of an under 10s football team. He has a nice tie but he can’t hide his bigotry. Israel is in a deep hole and that people like him can rise to deputy speaker of the country’s parliament is testament to this.

        The ideology is bankrupt. Danon and Bibi are like puppets. Threatening to cut off electricity FFS. I do not believe in a 2 state solution. Tegogh. Khamas yada yada. They have no idea. And they all do as they like because if anyone says anything they’ll call them antisemitic.

        Where are all the Israeli lefties ?
        And where are the Diaspora Jews who see through this charade?

      • Abierno
        September 27, 2011, 5:23 pm

        Can someone provide a list of the 30 co-sponsors of this bill. Also
        background information on the coordination of this bill with
        AIPAC and conservative think tanks as well as information on
        whether this proposal was floated by the 81 congress persons who
        visited Israel this summer? There is a back channel story on the
        concurrent presentation of these bills in the Knesset and in Congress
        at exactly the same time that needs to be researched and presented.

      • seafoid
        September 27, 2011, 5:24 pm

        Danny Danon, Algerian Jew has absorbed all of the Ashkenazi hasbara. A very nasty piece of work. I see he wants Jordan to take over the Palestinian bits of Judea and Samaria TM that Israel doesn’t need. Sounds like A Clean break. I’m sure the Jordanians will be delighted.
        Just after they take over Southern Iraq as the only Sunnis the Shia will listen to. Sure.

      • DBG
        September 27, 2011, 7:04 pm

        Jordan doesn’t want anything to do with the West Bank, Israel tried to give it away for almost 30 years and once they had a peace accord, Jordan still didn’t want it. Jordan will probably require an Israeli or at least international presence in the Jordan Valley considering the history Jordan has with the Palestinians.

      • Chaos4700
        September 27, 2011, 10:29 pm

        DBG, Jordan has SPECIFICALLY come out supporting a Palestinian state that includes the West Bank. If you think that Jordan considers the Palestinians more of a threat to them then marauding Israeli soldiers, then you’re a fool.

      • DBG
        September 27, 2011, 11:10 pm

        Chaos, you should read a little bit about the relationship between the Palestinians and Jordan. ever heard of something called black september? you know the group responsible for the Munich Olympics slaughter?

        lots of bad blood, if they cared about the Palestinians, like you claim they do, they would have accept the WB in ’94 and created a Palestinian state right then and there.

      • Shingo
        September 27, 2011, 11:34 pm

        Israel tried to give it away for almost 30 years and once they had a peace accord, Jordan still didn’t want it.

        Absolute rubbish. As Miko Peled told us in his talk last night, when his father suggested creating a Palestinian state in the West Bank, the other generals and Bgin laughed at the idea. The reason they went to war was to take it – they were never going to give it back.

        Jordan will probably require an Israeli or at least international presence in the Jordan Valley considering the history Jordan has with the Palestinians.

        In other words, Israel wants land more than it wants peace? The settlements in the Jordan Valley serve no purpose.

      • seafoid
        September 28, 2011, 7:27 am

        Shingo

        Do you have a link to the Peled interview?

      • Shingo
        September 28, 2011, 8:20 am

        Hi Seafoid,

        Not to last night’s presentation, but I think he mentions it in the first one pn Youtube:

        link to youtube.com

        With respects to the 6 day war, he begins at around 6:00.

        At 10:20, he brings up the meeting his father had with Rabin when he suggested creating a Palestinian State in the West Bank and Gaza. That holding on to the West Bank and Gaza was contrary to Israel’s long term strategy. He presicted that it woudl turn Israel into a brutal occupying power and eventually a binational state.

        He doesn’t mention it in the youtube video, but last night he said that his father’s proposal was rejected.

      • Chaos4700
        September 28, 2011, 9:22 am

        Okay can we just ban DBG? If you’re not going to let me reply when he trolls, then there’s no point in letting him come on to hijack discussions. “ha ha r u stooopid to not know BLACK SEPTERMBER!@!!1″ Yes, actually, I do know about Black September, it was a general (and very atrocious) response to specific Palestinian refugees who were fomenting the toppling of the crown in response to Jordan surrendering to Israel. Things are very different in Jordan now, then they were in the 50′s. DBG’s Saturday morning cartoon analysis is like calling Angela Merkel a Nazi for speaking out against Jewish settlements on the West Bank and then citing the Holocaust. That’s all you do, DBG, you just regurgitate semi-relevant phrases and you don’t even comprehend what they mean.

      • DBG
        September 28, 2011, 10:43 am

        Shingo, Israel gave the Sinai back for peace and there has been stability between Israel and Egypt for 30 + years.

      • DBG
        September 28, 2011, 11:08 am

        Things are very different in Jordan now, then they were in the 50′s

        The 1950′s Chaos? I think you are a little confused.

        Why didn’t Jordan take the WB when Israel offered it in ’94 and create a Palestinian state? Why didn’t Egypt do the same following Camp David?

      • Shingo
        September 28, 2011, 6:41 pm

        Yes DBG,

        Israel gave the Sinai back – they never tried to give back the West Bank.

      • Shingo
        September 28, 2011, 6:43 pm

        Why didn’t Jordan take the WB when Israel offered it in ’94 and create a Palestinian state?

        1. Israel never offered the WB to Jordanm not in ’94 or any other time.
        2. Jordan offered the West Bank to the PLO to create a state. Israel decided to steal it.

      • Chaos4700
        September 28, 2011, 8:07 pm

        My mistake, I got the date wrong. Yes it was 1970-1971.

        Are you asking why Jordan and Egypt didn’t step in and pay for the damage that Israel did to the Palestinian people? Let me know which section of the Camp David Accords makes Egypt responsible for Gaza. Feel free to quote the exact section notation, I’m pretty confident I can find an online copy of the accords.

      • pabelmont
        September 27, 2011, 4:45 pm

        Or like the Bedu of the Negev, who have citizenship, are allowed to serve in the army (or required?) but who are constantly taken off their traditional grazing-and-living lands. No home, no home, move on, move on.

        But I agree with those who say the likelihoods are with the Jewish=-settled areas, including one imagines [1] those outside the wall, and [2] those yet to be settled. and [3] the roads that hook, or will hook, all this up, one to another. (Roads? Anyone who lives on the Jewish-only road will become a citizen? Just kidding.)

      • Cliff
        September 27, 2011, 4:47 pm

        None of that land is yours. You clearly support the settlements. You’ve said in the past that might makes right.

        We know what a total racist goon you are as well.

        There is no reason to dialogue someone like you, cut of the same cloth as those colonists.

        You repeatedly protest that you are not a colonist but a 2nd-gen. Israeli citizen. You are too, but you are no different from those Zionist Jews who come steal Palestinian land and not your racist apartheid State is seeking to annex Palestinian land officially.

        Aren’t you ashamed that the only reason you are allowed to comment on this blog is to show normal, sane human beings (who don’t judge people based on whether they are Jewish or not but rather on the content of their character and actions) what a total sophist loony you are?

      • eee
        September 27, 2011, 5:53 pm

        Cliff,

        I clearly support settlements in the Jerusalem area as this will be part of Israel under any deal. I do not support settlements in general.

        As for the rest of your ridiculous allegations, you are just a plain old liar and this blog should be ashamed that you are allowed to spew your lies endlessly. You cannot back up your lies with any quotes, yet you keep spewing them.

      • Real Jew
        September 27, 2011, 8:47 pm

        ” You cannot back up your lies with any quotes, yet you keep spewing them.”

        I didn’t know you had to verify the fact that that Israel has been stealing land for 60 yrs with quotes.

        Actually we are quite thrilled to have Cliff here. Don’t be mad because he calls it as he sees it.

      • NorthOfFortyNine
        September 27, 2011, 4:57 pm

        What are Israel’s borders, eee? -N49.

  10. Robert
    September 27, 2011, 4:16 pm

    If it includes the Jordan Valley, then it will create internal Palestinian countries, or Bantustans. This will be recognized as such by the world and the response to this will be the same as for South Africa. The communication and visuals are vastly better now compared to the fight against Apartheid in the 1980′s. Lots of youtube video, eyewitness testimony, etc. BDS and other pressure will build on Israel. It’s going to be really unpleasant.

    • DBG
      September 27, 2011, 5:07 pm

      The Jordan Valley will be part of Palestine, I don’t see any other way really. Bibi is stupid when he says that.

      • Chaos4700
        September 27, 2011, 6:54 pm

        Not, you know, that you won’t turn right around and put all the blame on Palestinians anyway, in a couple of minutes.

    • eee
      September 27, 2011, 5:45 pm

      So just sit back, relax and enjoy the show.
      Of course, all you are articulating is wishful thinking. What will happen is what happened with the Golan. In short, nothing good for the Palestinians. There is only one way forward. Earnest and quick negotiations based on the Clinton parameters. A deal was very close. Any deal will look similar to that one, so we might as well negotiate it. Send President Clinton to broker a deal.

      • Chaos4700
        September 27, 2011, 6:55 pm

        What will happen is what happened with the Golan.

        We stopped Nazi Germany, eee, and we sure as hell can stop you. Your brand of militarism has a short shelf life.

  11. justicewillprevail
    September 27, 2011, 4:58 pm

    well, it’s flushed out the Israeli reality – they never agreed with or implemented Oslo, they have already annexed half the West Bank, and have stolen the water and most of the resources. So if they are killing the pretence of a two state solution, they are committed to formal apartheid (as opposed to pretending it doesn’t exist) or one state with equal rights and votes for all. We know they won’t do the latter so a fully fledged apartheid state it is, with a long struggle for emancipation and equal rights for the original landowners and residents, the Palestinians. Their only other option is to foment and encourage violence, which would then ‘compel’ them to expel and transfer millions of people – no doubt an eagerly promoted policy amongst the growing right wing fascists there. I wonder how US citizens will feel about subsidising and supporting an apartheid right wing state hellbent on ethnic cleansing?

  12. Dex
    September 27, 2011, 4:59 pm

    I say DO IT! It’s not like the world will sit back this time and allow you to finish the ethnic cleansing of Palestine. So annex all the land and give ALL the people full and equal rights.

    Just remember, this new state will not be called Israel solely!

    • RoHa
      September 27, 2011, 7:18 pm

      “It’s not like the world will sit back this time and allow you to finish the ethnic cleansing of Palestine.”

      Wanna bet?

      • Duscany
        September 28, 2011, 12:57 am

        I think you’re right. What is any other country going to do against Israel’s military fighting on their own turf (with the undoubted support of the United States). Israel will do whatever it wants and the US will back it all the way. Furthermore, no matter what Israel does there will be some in the US Congress who will argue Israel didn’t do enough.

      • Dex
        September 28, 2011, 10:14 am

        How much?

      • RoHa
        September 28, 2011, 10:40 am

        $5 (Australian)

      • Dex
        September 29, 2011, 11:36 am

        You’re on!

        Me thinks this deal REEKS! ; )

  13. crone
    September 27, 2011, 5:00 pm

    Madam Joe Walsh can’t get his “girls” to do enough for Israel, can he?

    The USA governmental system has gone to hell.

  14. justicewillprevail
    September 27, 2011, 5:21 pm

    Here’s an interesting statistic:

    Countries that recognise the Palestinian state represent 80% of the world’s population

    Countries that don’t have 75% of the cash

  15. Edithann
    September 27, 2011, 5:39 pm

    Edithann…

    Calm down and read this to the end…It speaks volums about all your nonsense….Did you really think Israel had changed its spots?

    link to silviacattori.net

    TATA

    • john h
      September 27, 2011, 6:36 pm

      Thanks for the link.

      • hophmi
        September 28, 2011, 10:15 am

        Ah, another link to antisemite Gilad Atzmon, the man who says the Jews killed Jesus and that Israel is worse than Nazi Germany.

        I guess you’re trying to gain credibility here, EdithAnn. Welcome. David Duke will take your coat, and the ghost of Sheikh Yassin will show you to your table.

      • Woody Tanaka
        September 28, 2011, 11:23 am

        “the man who says the Jews killed Jesus and that Israel is worse than Nazi Germany. ”

        I don’t know about the first claim, but if your reference to the second claim is the one I think it is, his point was not a statement about absolute evilness of those two countries, but about the fact that Israel does what it does while professing to be a democracy. Not the same thing at all. (Although I disagree with how he expressed the sentiment and the sentiment itself. First, it’s sloppy, because shallow thinkers won’t actually read the sentiment, just as you did here. Second, it presumes that because a state is a democracy that it is somehow immune or insulated from doing evil, which is nonsense.)

      • Edithann
        September 28, 2011, 12:59 pm

        You prove Atzmons’ claims …

        TATA

    • eljay
      September 28, 2011, 10:48 am

      >> link to silviacattori.net

      That was an interesting read. Thanks.

  16. pabelmont
    September 27, 2011, 5:42 pm

    This article made me sick.

  17. Les
    September 27, 2011, 6:36 pm

    Step by step, by relentless step. Grandpa Al Lewis cited Milton Mayer’s “They Thought They Were Free,” noting that many Germans assumed Hitler’s next step would open the eyes of the German people about what was going on. The Germans, like the Israelis, never noticed.

  18. Duscany
    September 27, 2011, 6:53 pm

    I wonder if the Obama administration (as well as the US Congress) will support the annexation of the West Bank. Maybe Obama will take a wild stand and say it’s unhelpful.

    Probably not. More likely there will be some in Congress who will insist that Israel annex the West Bank (along with a 20 mile security corridor on the east bank of the Jordan River too).

    • Les
      September 27, 2011, 8:53 pm

      And a 20 mile wide corridor on the Egyptian side of Gaza.

  19. RoHa
    September 27, 2011, 7:20 pm

    Sounds like salami tactics to me.
    Settlements in occupied areas, push out the Palestinians, annex.
    Repeat.
    After a while, they’ve got the lot.

  20. Taxi
    September 27, 2011, 8:32 pm

    I look forward to the annex partaaaaaay woohoo build baby build!

    LOL I just love the serious degree of damage israel is doing to itself these days.

    Oh come on who them zionists kidding! Like they really need to ‘vote’ on this in the unicameral parliament of Israel! What an absurd charade in the Apartheid bubble of a banana knesset! I mean you gotta give it to politicians all around the world these days really: they’re imperfecting their responsibilities while they’re perfecting the art of snuff comedy.

    But seriously, it ain’t so bad if you consider that when the bill goes through – and it sure as hell will – what air remains in israel’s lungs will indeed be halved overnight. If the Apartheid beast wants to shut down a lung well I ain’t gonna stand in its way. They can build and annex all they like: it don’t mean they OWN it EVER. It’s clear to most of the world that THERE WILL BE A PALESTINIAN STATE either through the UN, or through regional war and the recapturing of occupied land. The world is now psychically and vocally Palestine-engaged and supports either method for statehood achievement – god knows the world’s been watching long in silence yet in horror, witnessing the insidious greed and religious freakdom of israeli settlers and their continuous flagrant violations of international law and human rights. It’s not just Abbas, but the world too has had “enough, enough, enough”.

    But Apartheid israel doesn’t give a rat’s arse for what the world thinks and wants.

    That’s why I say come on Apartheid israel: build annex and build! C’mon do it real fast!

    1100 housing units in exchange for a lung is not a bad deal for self- destructer.

    Do it! Annex Now!

  21. Graber
    September 27, 2011, 10:14 pm

    Since when was Oslo a great thing for Palestinians? Everybody I’ve talked to in Palestine felt that Arafat had sold the farm with Oslo, so I don’t know why people on this thread feel as though the non-implementation of Oslo was a devastating blow to Palestinians.

    If you look at Oslo, it left 2.3% of the West Bank and Gaza as Area A, meaning that there is full PA authority in these areas. 25.1% of the land was designated as Area B, meaning that the PA has civil authority and Israel has security control, and 72.2% of the West Bank and Gaza was designated as Area C, which is autonomous Israeli territory.

    But when Israel has security control over Area B, this really means that soldiers and settlers can do as they please with impunity.

    So Palestinians are left with 2.7% of their own land under the Oslo Accords. And now there are steps being taken to nullify Oslo because Israelis feel that they didn’t get enough of the land.

    And just as a note, eee wrote: “Only the Jewish settled areas will be annexed and any Palestinian living there will get to choose if he wants to be an Israeli citizen, like the Druze in the Golan or the Arabs of East Jerusalem.”

    And this makes me wonder about where eee is working from. If he were speaking from a knowledgeable position, then he would know that “Jewish settled areas” exclude Palestinians.

    • Shingo
      September 27, 2011, 11:36 pm

      Since when was Oslo a great thing for Palestinians? Everybody I’ve talked to in Palestine felt that Arafat had sold the farm with Oslo, so I don’t know why people on this thread feel as though the non-implementation of Oslo was a devastating blow to Palestinians.

      Exactly. Miko Peled told us the story of when the Olso accords were signed, his father made a statement to the press that it proved Rabin did not want peace. As his father, who read the Olso accords reaslized, Olso was nothign mroe than a framework for Israel to rule over the Palestinians in the occupied territories.

    • Charon
      September 28, 2011, 1:09 am

      I think eee knows there are no Palestinians in the Jewish areas. Hasbara distorts facts so they can sell you on a lie. A casual reader might go “hmmm, that doesn’t sound so bad I guess.. at least the Palestinians living there would get equal rights”

      Oh darn, there are no Palestinians living there.. but if there were they would have a choice to be an Israeli citizen.

      Popular bullet point they use is “There never was a Palestinian State”

      Palestine/Philistine has been used to refer to part or all of the region for thousands of years usually as a providence under control of whoever conquered the previous ruler. It was under British mandate after the fall of the Ottoman empire. Israel declared independence when the mandate expired and after the war Jordan controlled the WB and Egypt controlled Gaza. Palestine was never a modern nation state but that doesn’t mean anything at all. It means that “There never was a Palestinian State” is true from a literal stand point. But the meaning behind it is not. Hasbara uses it to convince people that Palestine never existed.

      • Shingo
        September 28, 2011, 1:47 am

        I think eee knows there are no Palestinians in the Jewish areas.

        Of coure he does. While in theory an Israeli Palestinian could trael to one of the settlements and use the Jewish road to get there, it would be treacherous for them to even try.

      • RoHa
        September 28, 2011, 3:08 am

        ‘Popular bullet point they use is “There never was a Palestinian State””

        Hostage and I have done this one to death.

  22. malleusmaleficarum
    September 27, 2011, 10:18 pm

    Appalling. Danon is a fan of: Glenn Beck; Sarah Palin and Rick Perry. If the vote on this Knesset bill takes place near the end of October (think Halloween) it will coincide with the visit to Israel of Rick Perry. Danon invited Perry to address the Knesset during his next trip to Israel. Perry was awarded the Defender of Jerusalem award on his last visit. Danon is a real piece of work. A few months ago, Danon met with an Australian diplomat visiting Jerusalem to ask him to arrange for the “resettlement” of of more than 20,000 black African refugees who have been living in Israel for years. The man is a bigot – pure and simple.

  23. malleusmaleficarum
    September 27, 2011, 10:18 pm

    Appalling. Danon is a fan of: Glenn Beck; Sarah Palin and Rick Perry. If the vote on this Knesset bill takes place near the end of October (think Halloween) it will coincide with the visit to Israel of Rick Perry. Danon invited Perry to address the Knesset during his next trip to Israel. Perry was awarded the Defender of Jerusalem award on his last visit. Danon is a real piece of work. A few months ago, Danon met with an Australian diplomat visiting Jerusalem to ask him to arrange for the “resettlement” of of more than 20,000 black African refugees who have been living in Israel for years. The man is a bigot – pure and simple.

  24. thankgodimatheist
    September 28, 2011, 3:24 am

    What is to be understood here is that the annexation is not of the West Bank as a whole but the areas where the settlements are located. That relieves them of the Palestinian population issue. No hopes here for a one state solution as those areas would be Arab free.

  25. Hostage
    September 28, 2011, 3:52 am

    That relieves them of the Palestinian population issue. No hopes here for a one state solution as those areas would be Arab free.

    So how intelligent would that be, considering the Palestinians are asking for access to an international criminal tribunal with jurisdiction over the crime of apartheid and the fact that these MKs are readily identifiable? I’ve commented before that in 1998 the CERD panel of experts said that the status of the Jewish settlements was clearly inconsistent with the prohibition of “apartheid and similar policies of racial segregation” contained in Article 3 of the Convention. The Committee noted General Recommendation XIX, prohibited all forms of racial segregation in all countries; and that there was a consensus among publicists that the prohibition of racial discrimination, irrespective of territories, was an imperative norm of international law. CERD/C/SR.1250, 9 March 1998

    They already extended personam jurisdiction, this is simply an example of real Bantustanization or Grand Apartheid complete with national borders.

    • thankgodimatheist
      September 28, 2011, 4:27 am

      Hostage..of course. I do not dispute your findings, but since when Israel cared about jurisdictions, recommendations, International Law edicts or similar instances’? The threat of being dragged before the International Criminal Court? How many divisions is the ICC? The Golan was illegally annexed. We’re the only ones to care. Similarly, the settlements will be illegally annexed and again, no one else but us will care.

      • hophmi
        September 28, 2011, 10:16 am

        It’s a bill, not a law. Are you asserting here that elected official who promote a bill in a house of parliament are war criminals?

      • Hostage
        September 29, 2011, 12:50 am

        It’s a bill, not a law. Are you asserting here that elected official who promote a bill in a house of parliament are war criminals?

        I asked how smart it would be to adopt this proposal. However, while we are on the subject, soliciting a crime is a criminal offense (see below). So is the continued funding of the construction of a wall; the illegal administrative regime associated with it; and the financial support for existing settlements and infrastructure through key pieces of legislation and ministerial regulations. Those are all examples of constituent acts of the crime of apartheid that only a lawmaker or cabinet minister can commit:

        Any legislative measures and other measures calculated to prevent a racial group or groups from participation in the political, social, economic and cultural life of the country and the deliberate creation of conditions preventing the full development of such a group or groups, in particular by denying to members of a racial group or groups basic human rights and freedoms, including the right to work, the right to form recognized trade unions, the right to education, the right to leave and to return to their country, the right to a nationality, the right to freedom of movement and residence, the right to freedom of opinion and expression, and the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association;

        So yes, I’m saying that Israeli MKs who have already facilitated countless war crimes and crimes against humanity through the adoption of key pieces of legislation and ministerial regulations are part of a joint criminal enterprise in accordance with Article 25 of the Rome Statute:

        In accordance with this Statute, a person shall be criminally responsible and liable for punishment for a crime within the jurisdiction of the Court if that person:

        (a) Commits such a crime, whether as an individual, jointly with another or through another person, regardless of whether that other person is criminally responsible;

        (b) Orders, solicits or induces the commission of such a crime which in fact occurs or is attempted;

        (c) For the purpose of facilitating the commission of such a crime, aids, abets or otherwise assists in its commission or its attempted commission, including providing the means for its commission;

        (d) In any other way contributes to the commission or attempted commission of such a crime by a group of persons acting with a common purpose. Such contribution shall be intentional and shall either:

        (i) Be made with the aim of furthering the criminal activity or criminal purpose of the group, where such activity or purpose involves the commission of a crime within the jurisdiction of the Court; or

        (ii) Be made in the knowledge of the intention of the group to commit the crime;

        (e) In respect of the crime of genocide, directly and publicly incites others to commit genocide;

        (f) Attempts to commit such a crime by taking action that commences its execution by means of a substantial step, but the crime does not occur because of circumstances independent of the person’s intentions. However, a person who abandons the effort to commit the crime or otherwise prevents the completion of the crime shall not be liable for punishment under this Statute for the attempt to commit that crime if that person completely and voluntarily gave up the criminal purpose.

  26. Hostage
    September 28, 2011, 5:36 am

    The threat of being dragged before the International Criminal Court? How many divisions is the ICC?

    118 countries are States Parties to the Rome Statute and they have quite a few more divisions than Bibi. I seriously think that the era of Israeli officials avoiding arrest when they venture beyond their own borders are drawing to an end. Especially if this non-stop circus they call a government lasts much longer.

  27. Sumud
    September 28, 2011, 7:31 am

    The bill also nullifies the Oslo Accords, ending all Israeli agreements with the Palestinian Authority.

    Without Israeli support the PA will be disbanded, hastening the move by all Palestinian in the occupied territories to start lobbying for one-person/one-vote in a single state format. When that is achieved – and it will be – the Palestinian majority will vote to implement UN194, creating an even larger Palestinian majority in mandate Palestine.

    Israel’s great gamble of 1967 is all going horribly wrong.

    Danny Danon and his cohorts obviously failed Strategic Planning 101.

    • seafoid
      September 28, 2011, 9:32 am

      Danny D and the cohorts think they have an eternal free pass over the Holocaust.
      They built YESHA into a too big to fail project and by force of will pushed it forward for 44 years.
      The sense of goy outrage over the treatment of the palestinians is building.
      Israel made a big mistake entering Oslo and building up expectations it would never meet.

  28. Kathleen
    September 28, 2011, 9:31 am

    CONTACT YOUR REPS. Petitions, visit their offices, set up appointments with them in your district or in DC. Meet with them in a group. Join BDS, Palestinian solidarity groups. Order material, brochures from If Americans Knew or BDS and spread this information where ever you go. Churches, campuses, shopping centers. Where ever you go.

    Call, email, facebook, twitter news outlets, call national and local radio programs about this issue.

    Demand that the US cut of aid to Israel. At the very least demand that Israel has to identify US money being used to build support illegal housing and illegal settlements.

    CONTACT YOUR REPS. Pressure….more and more pressure.

  29. American
    September 29, 2011, 12:04 am

    Oil embargo, oil embargo,oil embargo…the best weapon the ME has.
    Whether or not they will use it for Palestine is another question.
    In fact..just thinking out loud….soon to be president of Russia again, Putin, could make a deal with Saudi…..they embargo which would send the price of Russia oil up and Putin gives them a slice of his profits and watches the US dry up and crumble. Saudi not out much oil money, look like heros to their street, Putin gets huge satisfation seeing US get it comeuppence at long last.
    Lots of bicycle and horse and buggy companies spring up in US and give people jobs.

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