Head’s up Mr. President– Romney’s going to Israel

Jodi Rudoren scoop in the Times, from Jerusalem.

Mitt Romney, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, will visit Israel this summer to meet with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and other leaders, [Ron Dermer] a senior aide to the prime minister confirmed on Monday evening….

This will be Mr. Romney’s fourth visit to Israel…

Presidential candidates rarely leave the United States during the heat of the campaign…

Mr. Dermer said the men would probably meet over a meal at the prime minister’s residence, though details have not yet been decided.

What will Jon Stewart do with this? Or Chris Matthews. Alas the name Adelson does not appear in the story. But I like this part. Honesty about the money:

For Mr. Romney, the trip is an opportunity to appeal both to Jewish voters and donors, whose overwhelming support of President Obama has softened, according to some polls, and to evangelical Christians, whose trust he is still fighting to win…

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  1. radii says:

    here is an advance look at what will take place there: Romney will show he can jump faster and higher than Obama when the zionists bark at him
    israel says “jump Romney”

  2. German Lefty says:

    OT: Here’s a new documentary about present-day Jewish life in Germany.
    “Auf das Leben! Jüdisch in Deutschland”
    link to youtube.com

    • German Lefty says:

      The bride’s mother said this, among other things: “I live in my little, self-chosen ghetto. My friends are here in the Jewish community. I have only very few non-Jewish contacts. [...] I think that Jews are a people. Although I am a Jew living in Germany, I have a strong and special relationship to Israel. Israel is our home for any eventuality.”
      I have to admit that I have a problem with such an attitude.

      • “Israel is our home for any eventuality.”
        I have to admit that I have a problem with such an attitude.

        I recall my one and only visit to the Hebrew school in my city. I went there to invite the school to the city’s Poetry Festival, where I organized the kids’ sessions. As I walked along the corridors, I saw Israeli flags hanging from everywhere, which gave me an eery feeling of foreignness. Maps of Israel and pictures of Israeli cities and places decorated the walls. Only when I got to the principal’s office did I see the required Argentinian flag on one side of her desk — alongside yet another Israeli one.

        Of course there’s nothing illegal in their prioritizing one of their identities — the one related to a distant country — over the other — the one related to the country where they live and which pays their teachers’ salaries. What I don’t understand, however, is why you’re an antisemite if you say that they care more about Israel than about Argentina.

        • German Lefty says:

          [T]here’s nothing illegal in their prioritizing one of their identities.
          Right. However, when people favour another country over their own and basically BEHAVE like foreigners, then they have no right to complain if they are actually TREATED like foreigners.

          What I don’t understand is why you’re an antisemite if you say that they care more about Israel than about Argentina.
          True.

          The family in the documentary talked as if the Jewish community in Germany were constantly threatened with extinction. They joked that they don’t talk about anti-Semitism all the time, just 99% of the time. The Jewish kindergarten and synagogue are equipped with a state-funded security system and cameras everywhere. As a non-Jewish German, I am offended by this general suspicion of anti-Semitism. Also, the bride said that Jewish parents try to pair their children up with each other in order to preserve the Jewish culture.

        • Mooser says:

          “Also, the bride said that Jewish parents try to pair their children up with each other in order to preserve the Jewish culture.”

          Well, they better cut it as close as they can to the age-of-consent laws if they want to reverse what’s going on in America.
          Frankly, they haven’t got a chance.

        • German Lefty says:

          “Well, they better cut it as close as they can to the age-of-consent laws if they want to reverse what’s going on in America. Frankly, they haven’t got a chance.”
          Mooser, you talk in riddles.

        • “What I don’t understand, however, is why you’re an antisemite if you say that they care more about Israel than about Argentina.”

          Because it’s a tactic, a trick, an effective one to silence every criticism and it often works wonders.

      • Sumud says:

        I have to admit that I have a problem with such an attitude.

        Agreed. If you always think you have a ‘Plan B’ then your behaviour will be altered, and probably not for the better.

        Like Israel, they know the US will back whatever hideous crimes they commit, so they do practically whatever they want. Without the UN SC veto Israel would have to moderate it’s behaviour pretty fast and make nice with the neighbours and the Palestinians.

      • Fredblogs says:

        A German having a problem with a Jew having somewhere to run if you guys decide to repeat history? How odd. I mean, it’s not like you still have a neo-Nazi movement or anything, right?

        • Dexter says:

          “…if you guys decide to repeat history?”

          Wow, that is a BOLD statement to make Fredblogs. I see you have chosen to be an eternal victim…

          Imagine how great life could be if not lived like a chicken-sh_t

        • Woody Tanaka says:

          “A German having a problem with a Jew having somewhere to run if you guys decide to repeat history? How odd. I mean, it’s not like you still have a neo-Nazi movement or anything, right?”

          You’re contemptible, Fredo. Especially considering that there are probably more fascists in your Knesset than there are in the whole Germany, adjusting for population. If there is anywhere that history is likely to repeat, it is by Israel doing it to the Palestinians.

        • German Lefty says:

          @ Dexter & Woody: Thanks.

          If there is anywhere that history is likely to repeat, it is by Israel doing it to the Palestinians.
          I was going to write the same.

          “According to a 2011 study, Israeli youth displayed increasingly nationalistic views, and put more importance on the Jewish character of the state than on upholding democratic or liberal values.
          In a 2010 poll, 50 per cent of Jewish Israeli teenagers between 15-18 years old believed that Palestinian citizens of Israel should not have the same rights as their Jewish counterparts.
          Some 56 per cent of those polled said Palestinians should be prevented from running for the Knesset, and 50 per cent of those who identified themselves as religious said they approved of the slogan ‘Death to Arabs’.”
          link to aljazeera.com

          @ Fred:
          I really don’t understand your paranoia. We are not our ancestors and don’t live in a dictatorship. We are totally different people living in a totally different country. There is really no possibility that history will repeat itself in Germany. Yes, there are some right-wing extremists in Germany, but these are a tiny minority. Also, such people exist in every country. And they don’t only hate Jews, but virtually everyone who is different from them, e.g. Muslims, LGBT people or black people. However, have you ever heard gay people say that they need a country of their own, in case history repeats itself? Have you ever heard African-Americans demand the founding of their own “Western democratic state”, out of fear that white Americans could one day want to enslave them again? No, of course not. Only Jewish Zionists are this paranoid and don’t want to let bygones be bygones. Every group of people had been a victim of injustice at some point in time. You need to learn that things like guilt and victimhood can’t be inherited. Now, we should focus on fighting the injustice that currently happens. And this time, the Zionists are the perpetrators.

        • Sumud says:

          A German having a problem with a Jew having somewhere to run if you guys decide to repeat history?

          It’s a moot point.

          The UN Refugee Convention means jews – like all other people –have dozens and dozens of countries to run to if a scenario like WW2 and the nazis ever repeated itself.

          Grand irony that Israel has created and perpetuated the largest refugee population in the world today – Palestinians.

        • Woody Tanaka says:

          German Lefty,

          Your welcome.

          @ Fred:
          I really don’t understand your paranoia.

          It’s not paranoia; it’s bigotry. He’s done the self-delusion of the bigot and convinced himself that because some Germans hurt some Jews in the past that it is okay for him, as a Jew, to hate Germans, today.

        • German Lefty says:

          @ Woody:
          It’s not paranoia; it’s bigotry.
          So, you don’t think that he’s honestly afraid that history could repeat itself … in Germany? I’ve always assumed that it’s paranoia. However, it’s impossible for me to look into such people’s minds. And as you have way more experience with Zionists than I have, I’ll trust your judgement.

          @ Sumud: Great post.

        • Woody Tanaka says:

          No, I don’t believe he thinks or fears that history could repeat itself. Only an idiot would believe that. He uses it as a justification for his own bigotry and to bathe himself in self-rightiousness.

        • Citizen says:

          Yeah, Fredblogs, I vote Germany simply make all Germans forever indentured servants to Israel and the Jews among them in their own country.

        • Fredblogs says:

          Our German relatives didn’t live in a dictatorship either. Until it became one. 25 years from 1913 to 1938 and my how Germany changed in that historically brief time. From a great place to be a Jew, a civilized modern nation, to well, you know. Gay people are not a self perpetuating group. Their kids are about as likely to be heterosexual as the general population.

          As for African Americans, ever hear of Liberia? Not to mention the dozens of other black majority countries?

          Victimhood can’t be inherited, but anyone who can look at the history of persecution of the Jewish people and not realize that history repeats is not paying attention. The Holocaust wasn’t the first time Jews have been hunted, expelled, murdered for being Jewish and it won’t be the last.

        • Fredblogs says:

          @Sumud
          Right, because that worked so well in Rwanda and every other genocide since WWII that the U.S. and other nations declined to call “genocide” because then they’d have to do something about it.

          The truth is that if Europe started rounding up and exterminating its Jews, no country but Israel would do more than issue stern letters about it.

        • Woody Tanaka says:

          See, German Lefty, it’s not paranoia that Fredo is pressing. It’s bigotry.

        • Fredblogs says:

          @German Lefty
          It is neither paranoia nor bigotry. I’m not saying its going to happen today, or next week. It probably won’t happen 25 years from now either, but in 1913, who knew what Germany would be doing 25 years later? You’d have to have been nuts in 1913 to think that Germany would round up and exterminate its Jews. And yet…

          It’s not just Germany, either. It could happen anywhere.

        • Citizen says:

          World history shows that Jews were always persecuted where ever they went just “for being Jewish”? And that totally irrational goy tradition continues unabated, e.g., through all those peasant revolts, right down until this very day, and it will continue so in the future of this world? Why, I see no solution to this problem of goy insanity, of linking dots that were not, are not, there, except to murder all the goys, including those in the womb. Agree? Yes, we American non-Jews, all 98% of Americans, surely must realize our duty is to arrest our irrational nature when it comes to Jews, and fully support Israel right down to its ultimate Samson Option. Would could be more chock full of common sense than that scenario?

          “You eat this, and you eat here, you shit over there. If you don’t, we will eat you.”
          Can we get more tribal?
          Imagine the most remote tribe in the deepest forest of New Guinea–with not a handful of stone axes, but 400+ nukes and the 4th strongest military in the world, combined with the world’s only superpower as its flunky and money machine. And so we arrive at today.

        • Woody Tanaka says:

          Alright, German Lefty, I take it back. It’s both paranoia and bigotry that Fredo is pressing. The question is: is this patholical lunacy learned or is he merely mentally deranged…

        • Citizen says:

          The blacks who became citizens of Liberia were free-born American blacks, and blacks taken from arrested slave ships. This combined with a few local blacks. No black African tribe ever accepted this aggregate of new Liberian colonialists as rightfully entering their respective lands. And you, Fredblogs, want to equate that episode in history with a two-thousand year lapse before jews from Europe, who had lived in Europe for many, many centuries, decided to colonize the Palestine Mandate land? Why?

        • Citizen says:

          Fredblogs, you need to see a shrink to get over your PreTraumatic StressDisorder.

        • Fredblogs says:

          @Citizen
          World history shows periods of calm and periods of persecution. Right now we are living in a period of relative calm. And yet, 65% of religion based hate crimes in the U.S. are against Jews. Jews have been gunned down on the streets in France for being Jewish. Not legally, but it still happened.

          As for your straw man about Jews killing gentiles. It is people believing exactly that sort of nonsense that are responsible for massacres of Jews.

        • German Lefty says:

          @Woody:
          I take it back. It’s both paranoia and bigotry that Fredo is pressing. The question is: is this patholical lunacy learned or is he merely mentally deranged…
          Yes, it’s probably a mix of both. When Sigmar Gabriel compared the situation in Hebron with apartheid, there were thousands of comments on his Facebook page. Some people wrote crazy stuff, such as that this is anti-Semitism and the beginning of the “Forth Reich”.
          I think that Fred’s mindset was caused by brainwashing at home or at school. Not sure if I have mentioned this before, but a while ago I watched a documentary about a Jewish girl living in Germany. She was roughly 12 years old and said stuff like, “I am aware of the fact that if I told people that I am Jewish, they might beat me up.” and “I want to teach the Germans that Jews are normal people.” Seriously, she talked as if the Holocaust just ended yesterday. Also, consider her age. Her comments clearly come from brainwashing. Besides, I was really surprised that she referred to non-Jewish Germans as “Germans”. This shows that she didn’t consider herself German. Really sad.
          I also have another explanation for Fred’s mindset. There’s a German proverb, “Was ich selber denk’ und tu’, das trau’ ich auch den anderen zu!” (The things that I myself think and do, I also expect from other people.) Well, Zionists practise ethnic nationalism themselves and oppress a certain group of people. Perhaps Zionists are so paranoid about being oppressed by others, because they project their own behaviour onto others.
          Also, Citizen is right. People who suffer from paranoia need to get a shrink, not an own country.

        • Mooser says:

          “I mean, it’s not like you still have a neo-Nazi movement or anything, right?”

          Do you have some kind of arrangement with them, stating that German Jews, and all their assets, will be allowed to leave Germany. Of course, they’ll need a year or so to wind up their affairs, transfer their assets, pack their stuff, arrange transportation….
          Yup, that whole “Israel as a refuge” idea is looking better and better. Maybe you could sell a film script based on it.

        • Woody Tanaka says:

          German Lefty,

          Those are some very good points. There is a documentary called “Defamation” made by an Israeli filmmaker (available on Youtube, I think) that starkly demonstrates the brainwashing that these people inflict on their children. It’s really infuriating because part of you wants to feel bad for these teenagers who are being lied to by the adults who should know better and are inflicting mental abuse on these kids, but, at the same time, you know that these same kids will turn around and inflict abuse and oppression on the Palestinians because of this disgusting brainwashing. But there are a few (sadly, a very few) voices of sanity in the film. Hopefully they will prevail.

        • Fredblogs says:

          Sorry, no brainwashing at home or at school. I just start from the premise that Israel has a right to exist and go from there. That makes all the difference in the world. As Arafat said “For us [Palestinians] peace means the destruction of Israel”.

        • Fredblogs says:

          You claimed that blacks didn’t need a country in case America decides to enslave them again. I pointed out that they have several. Like Muslims have several countries, like Christians have several countries, like Arabs have several countries. Like Hindus have one big country. But the Jews shouldn’t have even one tiny little country?

        • Fredblogs says:

          @German Lefty
          Yeah, it’s so unfair to the Germans. You lead just one little genocide and people hold it against you _forever_.

        • Citizen says:

          Fredblogs, the trend in US hate crimes based on religion is against Muslims, and more important, this hate is stoked by our own government and established organizations such as those led by the likes of Daniel Pipes and Glen Beck: link to tehrantimes.com

        • Citizen says:

          Fredblogs, hate crimes against Jews may be against secular Jews, agnostic Jews, atheist Jews; the US government has a special agency devoted to nothing but monitoring anti-semitism here and around the world.

        • Citizen says:

          “Weaver said various activities and movements have tried to marginalize Muslim communities around the country. She said they have included anti-Sharia measures promoted by state legislatures, the tea party movement condemning Muslims, and opposition to construction of mosques.” link to joplinglobe.com

        • Citizen says:

          Fredblogs, so Jews have never killed Gentiles when they have had the power to do so? I bet they never influence such via proxies either, eh? How many Jews have been gunned down in France for being Jewish in the last, say 60 years?

        • RoHa says:

          Fred, there is a simple way for Jews to avoid being persecuted just for being Jewish.

          Stop being Jewish.

          Forget about the whole Jew business. It doesn’t do you any good, and it just seems to bring you harm. Give it up. In a generation or two no-one will care.

        • ColinWright says:

          “A German having a problem with a Jew having somewhere to run if you guys decide to repeat history? How odd. I mean, it’s not like you still have a neo-Nazi movement or anything, right?

          Keep making friends for Israel. I’m behind you all the way…

          Anyway, Israel IS a neo-Nazi movement. I fail to see why you would find it distressing that a few Germans are your soul mates.

        • ColinWright says:

          “Yeah, it’s so unfair to the Germans. You lead just one little genocide and people hold it against you _forever_.”

          Why can’t the world forgive and forget? Like with 1948, Kfar Kassem, Sabra and Chantilla, Lebanon in 2002, Gaza in 2008…

        • ColinWright says:

          “…It’s both paranoia and bigotry that Fredo is pressing. The question is: is this patholical lunacy learned or is he merely mentally deranged…”

          Neither. Absent these postures, he’d have no grounds for supporting Israel.

        • ColinWright says:

          “There’s a German proverb, “Was ich selber denk’ und tu’, das trau’ ich auch den anderen zu!” (The things that I myself think and do, I also expect from other people.)”

          That one’s certainly true. I long ago realized that when I get totally blind-sided by someone, it’s because they’ve just done something to me that it would genuinely never occur to me to do to them.

          “Well, Zionists practise ethnic nationalism themselves and oppress a certain group of people. Perhaps Zionists are so paranoid about being oppressed by others, because they project their own behaviour onto others.”

          I don’t agree with that. I think the ‘paranoia’ is just a convenient device to justify Israel’s own behavior. In this connection, note that most Israelis are (almost necessarily) not descendants of Holocaust survivors, and many or most are not even from Jewish communities that were affected by the Holocaust or even had particularly close ties to those that were. How many Yemeni Jews had even heard about the Holocaust before they were brought to Israel?

          The ‘Holocaust paranoia’ is at least partially a convenient posture. It absolves Israel of all need to conform to ethical norms, and justifies the most indiscriminate hostility towards the world outside. In this connection, notice the decidedly strained attempts to link the Palestinians to the Nazis. ‘The Holocaust’ is a device to justify Israeli behavior more than anything else. At the time, the Zionists were impressively indifferent to it.

        • Citizen says:

          Fredblogs:
          “Hate Studies” Ignore Zionism & exaggerate anti-semitism & white Gentile racism: link to veteransnewsnow.com

        • German Lefty says:

          @ Fred:
          “Yeah, it’s so unfair to the Germans. You lead just one little genocide and people hold it against you _forever_.”

          Yes, it is indeed unfair to hold something against me that happened before I was born, that didn’t happen in my name, that I had absolutely nothing to with and that I deplore. The genocide was not lead by “the Germans”, but by “the Nazis”. As I said before, we are different people in a different country. Also, the nationality of a person says nothing about the person’s mindset. Are you unable or unwilling to distinguish between past and present as well as between Nazis and Germans?

        • German Lefty says:

          @Fred:
          I just start from the premise that Israel has a right to exist and go from there.
          Well, I agree with you in that Israel has a right to exist, just like any other country. However, Israel has a right to exist as an ISRAELI state, not as a JEWISH state. Israel as a Jewish state is as wrong as Germany as an Aryan state. If you don’t see that, then you are not objective. No ethnic nationalism in any country.
          When did Arafat say this? And did he actually say “Israel” or rather “current Israeli regime” or “Zionist regime”?

        • German Lefty says:

          @Fred:
          “You claimed that blacks didn’t need a country in case America decides to enslave them again. I pointed out that they have several.”
          I said that African Americans don’t want to found their own “Western democracy”. I know that there are lots of countries where black people happen to be the majority, but these are not “Western democracies”.

          “Like Muslims have several countries, like Christians have several countries, like Arabs have several countries. Like Hindus have one big country. But the Jews shouldn’t have even one tiny little country?”
          Man, you just don’t get it. Yes, there are countries where Muslims, Christians, Arabs, Hindus happen to be the respective majority. However, none of these countries practises ethnic nationalism and ethnic cleansing to artificially create and retain the majority. Such Nazi methods must stop. I really don’t mind that there’s a country with a Jewish majority. I have a problem with what KIND of country it is. If there were a non-ethnic nationalist country where Jews happen to be the natural majority, then this would be totally fine by me. Got it now?

        • Ellen says:

          I’ve also been trying to figure out if the Fredblugs posting are those of derangement and his own thoughts or of his education. That is why I asked about his education — where and what kind of schools he may have attended.

          Never got an answer. It might help us understand.

        • German Lefty says:

          @ Woody:
          “There is a documentary called “Defamation” that demonstrates the brainwashing that these people inflict on their children.”
          Thanks a lot for the tip. Yes, it’s on YouTube. I’m downloading the video right now.

          “It’s really infuriating because part of you wants to feel bad for these teenagers, but, at the same time, you know that these same kids will turn around and inflict abuse and oppression on the Palestinians.”
          I know this inner disunity. That’s exactly what I felt when I heard the 12-year-old girl talking about those evil, Jew-hating Germans.

        • Citizen says:

          German Lefty:
          The answer for Fred is: “No, I do not distinguish between past and present, and future, nor between Jewish Zionists and Jews. Accordingly, My Jewish state of Israel does not do so as a matter of bipolar faith. It’s always the day before Hitler, and always will be, no matter where or when. No names have to be changed to protect the always innocent, the Jews.”

        • ColinWright says:

          Israel and Israel supporters do have a remarkable tendency to perceive all their opponents as fiends incarnate.

          I mean, we all do this — but I tend to regard Christian Evangelicals as a group of very disparate people, most of whom have some very inaccurate ideas about the world but who aren’t actually bad.

        • German Lefty says:

          @Woody:

          Wow, watching the documentary “Defamation” link to youtube.com was an emotional rollercoaster. I find the film pretty revealing. The situation is even worse than I assumed. Here are my comments on notable moments of the documentary:

          0:07:40 School counselor: “Try to understand the connection between then and now. Anti-Semitism has not ended. [...] You as Jews, as next generation, who are about to join the Army, you will also have to face this aspect of our life. Secret Service people will go with you, so that you will not be in contact with the local people. You will meet people who do not like us. You will see that they do not like us. Even today, they do not like us.”
          -> The trip to Auschwitz is clearly a preparation for the military service: Making a bogeyman out of non-Jews. The Secret Service accompanies the students to ensure that they don’t talk to the locals, because otherwise they would discover that Jews are NOT hated anymore.

          Students: “That’s what makes us special: That no one can stand us, but that we are proud of it. We are raised in this spirit, that we know we are hated. [...] Everybody knows that Jews are hated. We were raised that way, with hatred and anti-Semitism, I can’t remember a single moment, when there was no anti-Semitism. This will strengthen the Israeli in me, the Zionist, the Jew in me.”
          -> This clearly shows that anti-Semitism is merely a tool for the Zionists.

          0:13:30 -> The ADL says that there were 5 anti-Semitic incidents within the last two weeks. However, since when is not being able to take days off for a holiday a hate crime? Also, I find the name “Anti-Defamation League” odd. One would think that an organisation with such a name fights defamation of any group of people, not just of Jews. The organisation’s name combined with its official goal suggests that only Jews can be victims of defamation.

          0:30:40 Rabbi: “I am suspicious when a guy makes a living from a particular situation. [...] If a guy’s job is created only because of anti-Semitism, I am nervous about his reports. Are they accurate? He has to create a problem, because he needs a job.”
          0:42:00 Russian Jew: “There isn’t any [anti-Semitism here]. Many Jews are themselves to blame. For example, one Jew may work badly in a factory. So, there’s no promotion, no career. ‘It’s because I’m Jewish.’ [...] People have to say something, have to justify themselves. People assign all their misfortunes to being Jewish.”

          -> Smart guys.

          0:45:20 ADL people: “I think the worst thing for me standing here is that it could happen today. [...] That’s why we have to support Israel. Israel is our insurance policy.”
          -> Paranoia. Paranoia. Paranoia.

          1:00:00 Uri Avnery: “I don’t know who is serving whom anymore. Does [the Israel Lobby] serve us or do we surve them? [...] None of them fights anti-Semitism. They fight criticism of Israel. These are two totally different things. [...] The phenomenon called anti-Semitism only exists in the Israeli media and in the minds of the Jewish big shots of the world who make a living fighting anti-Semitism.”
          -> Although I agree with Uri in general, I think that completely ignoring or denying the existence of actual anti-Semitism is not particularly helpful.

          1:25:20 Student: “They murdered people and took their hair only because of their nationality! But I didn’t do anything! But I didn’t do anything to anyone.”
          -> Their nationality? Really? So, German Jews were murdered because they were German? Polish Jews were murdered because they were Polish? Typical Zionist thinking. They equate Jewish with Israeli. And Israel didn’t even exist at that time.
          I am not sure what the girl means by “But I didn’t do anything to anyone!” Does she mean that she regrets that she couldn’t “do anything” to help the victims. Or does she consider herself a victim of the Holocaust and wonders why this was done to her although she didn’t “do anything” wrong.
          Also, I find it weird that all the students wear jackets with the Star of David and the word “Israel” and that they carry an Israeli flag. Is this supposed to be an act of resistance? Resistance to what or whom? To all the imaginary Jew-haters who populate present-day Poland?

          1:27:10 Student: “When you see it you say, ‘I want to kill the people who did this!’”
          Yoav: “But you know that they are dead.”
          Student: “Yes, but they have heirs. They may be different but they are there.”

          -> Someone wrote on another website that by “heirs” the girl could have meant ideological heirs (i.e. neo-Nazis) instead of biological heirs (i.e. people like me). However, as the girl stated that the heirs “may be different”, it seems pretty clear to me that she refers to biological heirs. And that would make for a really dumb conclusion: “What the Nazis did was so incredibly terrible that it makes me want to stoop to their level and kill lots of innocent people.”

        • Woody Tanaka says:

          Watching that movie made me think two things:

          There an enormous number of people in Israel and in the Jewish community in the US who are simply deranged; brainwashed beyond redemption. Perhaps the most chilling thing was Foxman’s statement about the Jews not having to act rationally because of the Holocaust.

          The second is that the only thing that gives any hope is that the insantiy apparently does not affect all of them, as the filmmaker himself, clearly shows.

        • Woody Tanaka says:

          “Yeah, it’s so unfair to the Germans. You lead just one little genocide and people hold it against you _forever_.”

          Typica Fredo bigotry. Yes, it is not only unfair, but gross bigotry, to hold against the Germans of today something which someone else did, simply because they share an ethnicity. Scumbag.

        • tree says:

          Yes, it is not only unfair, but gross bigotry, to hold against the Germans of today something which someone else did, simply because they share an ethnicity.

          Yes, equivalent to blaming all Jews for the death of Jesus/Christ. But I doubt Fred would ever acknowledge that.

        • German Lefty says:

          Yes, equivalent to blaming all Jews for the death of Jesus/Christ.
          Not quite. In case of Jesus, it’s not proven that he actually existed and that the killing really happened and by whom. So, please don’t equate a legendary figure with real people.

        • “A German having a problem with a Jew having somewhere to run if you guys decide to repeat history?”

          I would like you to say this face to face to a German, Fred. I doubt you’d come out of it unharmed because it’s a serious insult to imply that they still have Nazi tendencies.

        • Eric says:

          News alert, Fred: Israel was founded on dispossession and theft. Colonial entities have no inherent right to exist, and in fact, all have eventually unravelled. Stay tuned.

  3. Carowhat says:

    I find it really discouraging to see a presidential candidate running off to meet with his masters in the middle of (Hello!) a campaign for the American presidency.

  4. ColinWright says:

    Hopefully, Obama won’t scramble to do the same.

    Sooner or later, he’s going to have to realize that racing to get around to the right of the Republicans is a mug’s game. He has to learn to wait until they’ve made fools of themselves, and then call them on it.

    • Winnica says:

      At the same point in the campaign 4 years ago, Obama did the same. I even remember being held up in traffic as he left the Kind David hotel one evening.

      • MarkF says:

        “At the same point in the campaign 4 years ago, Obama did the same..”

        Right, I remember that. So did Eric Cantor at the height of the financial crisis/meltdown. I guess it’s a political Disney World over there.

        A bit weird these guys go to a foreign country more times than some states that they’ll be “presidenting” over.

        Did Bibi or Arik come here when they were campaigning for PM?

      • ColinWright says:

        What’s bizarre when you think about it is how this wouldn’t happen with any other country.

        Take Honduras. It’s got about the same population as Israel — and there are a fair number of Hondurans here. Or El Salvador. Or Guatemala — considerably larger than Israel. Or Mexico

        What’s more, there are certainly plenty of Hispanics here — way more than there are Jews, and perhaps more than there are Evangelicals of the idiot Israel-love persuasion. Politicians even obviously try to secure the Hispanic vote. But we don’t see Romney or Obama going to Tegucigalpa to try to wow the crowds.

        There’s this weird requirement to kow-tow to Israel. One of these days, one of these guys needs to try standing up and saying Israel is just not terribly important — just to see what happens next.

    • Citizen says:

      Well, Trump, for one, recently told Greta S on Fox News–and so, all those who watch Fox nightly, that he’s betting on Obama to start a war with Iran to seal his second term–Greta said she thought that was not a fair statement: link to mrctv.org

      If I were Greta, I’d have replied, “So, Mister Trump, it’s a race to see whether its Obama attacking Iran before November to seal his reelection, or whether it will be Mitt to seal his promises to the likes of Sheldon Adelson and Bibi after his win? In either case, who can doubt stupid Americans will be embroiled in yet another war in the Middle East, and this time, with a country that will not fall down so easily, and has rare value to Russia, China, India for example, as a tool for off-setting American Power, Imperialism? link to mrctv.org

      Is it Greta, or just that she’s a cheesehead?

    • Mooser says:

      “Sooner or later, he’s going to have to realize that racing to get around to the right of the Republicans is a mug’s game.”

      But Colin, Barack Obama, more than he is anything else, is a mug. Or a chump. It’s his most salient characteristic.

      Military: “But with a genius like you in charge of Bush’s anti-terrorism and Afghanistan war, we can’t lose”
      Obama: “You know, I think you’re right, I am a genius.
      Military, to themselves: “My freakin’ God, what a chump! What a mug!”

  5. seafoid says:

    Romney is an anagram of R Money

    R for Rabid = Zionist

  6. ColinWright says:

    Anyway, there might be discord at the wedding…

    The Mormons are still posthumously baptizing Holocaust victims, and Israeli Jews are still upset about it (perhaps American Jews as well, but since they aren’t Romney supporters in the first place, it doesn’t matter).

    So people may bug him about this in Israel, and the flak may get back to the US, and then (a) people will be reminded about how Romney is a Mormon, and (b) they may also get the impression he isn’t Israel-approved after all. Either one dampens that big Evangelical turnout Romney is going to be counting on.

    • ColinWright says:

      In fact, if Obama had much of anything to his political repertoire besides the ‘deer in the headlights’ number he’s been giving us since 2009, he’d make sure there was lots of stuff about Mormon baptism when Romney got to Israel.

  7. piotr says:

    Governor, do you believe that Israel has a historic rights to Samaria?

    Don’t you believe that the 10 tribes from the Kingdom of Shomron migrated to America, as proven by the golden tablets found by Joseph Smith and translated with angelic help? So the Jews have nothing to do with Shomron and all the settlements to the north of Jerusalem are Biblically incorrect?