A Trappist monk stands between graffiti reading in Hebrew, “Jesus is a monkey” (L) and “mutual guarantee, Ramat Migron and Maoz Ester” (Photo: AFP/Menahem Kahana)
Ynet reports on the attack. The Latrun Monastery is located west of the green line, about 15 miles from Jerusalem:
Vandals set fire to the entrance door of the Latrun Monastery early Tuesday and spray-painted slogans against the Christian religion on its walls, including names of West Bank outposts and “Jesus is a monkey”.
The Jerusalem District Police launched an investigation into the incident.
The monastery’s wooden door caught fire. The abbot, Father Louie, told Ynet: “At around 3:30 am, a monk sleeping in one of the guest rooms heard a noise, went outside and saw the door burning. He entered our rooms and began shouting and waking us up.
“I went outside and saw the entire door on fire. He put out the fire with an extinguisher we had. If he hadn’t done that, everything would have caught fire.” . . .
The monks appeared very offended by the incident.
“I know there is some tension, but I don’t understand why it has to do with us,” said Father Louie. “We’re Christians and we have nothing to do with it. We try to do everything with love. We are saddened by this incident. It’s a shame that some people are unwilling to live with and accept people who are different.”
Police officials said they viewed the targeting of holy places and religious sites as extremely severe. “We’ll make every effort to bring the criminals to justice,” one of them said.
The police have been preparing for “price tag” actions by extreme right-wing activists, which are usually directed at Palestinians, following the evacuation of the West Bank outpost of Migron in recent days.
I don’t follow the Christian or Christianist press, which are extremely pro-Israel, but do these repeated attacks on Christians by Israelis get ANY press or discussion there?
“Jesus is a monkey”
Some try to rewrite history, and some try to repaint history.
link to cultura.elpais.com
Could someone please share a translation, interpretation or deconstruction of the graffiti “mutual guarantee, Ramat Migron and Maoz Ester”?
A better translation would be “mutual responsibility” (arvut hadadit) or “solidarity”, which is practically interchangeable with the more frequent “price tag” (tag mehir) “signature” left at the scene of right-wing violence, associated with perceived actions against the settlements: link to en.wikipedia.org
The more “positive” term “mutual responsibility” (i.e. duty to act in solidarity with evicted settlers) was inspired by Rabbi Yitzhak Shapira (head of the Yitzhar settlement yeshiva and one of the authors of The King’s Torah), and could represent the actions of a distinct group of “price-taggers”.
“Ramat Migron” and “Ma’oz Esther” are two recently demolished or partially demolished (and rebuilt, at least in the case of Ma’oz Esther) settler outposts.
The Jesus insult is self-explanatory, but I find it interesting that they used the full spelling, “Yeshu’a”, as opposed to the more traditional “Yeshu” (shortened so as not to speak/write the full “name of idolatry”), which also happens to be the accepted version of the name in Modern Hebrew.
I’m sure this “slip-up” and potential violation of religious law (as opposed to violence, vandalism, theft and murder) will be discussed at length this week, at some of the more twisted yeshivot.
Thanks very much Shmuel.
Shmuel,
I heard that the explanation that Yeshua in Rabbinic literature is called
was an explanation by a 19th century German anti-semite. Can you confirm that in the religious community this explanation is accepted as the reason why?
I do know for example that sometimes it is written “J-sus” and there are objections even to saying “Gee-whiz”. So maybe there is a grain of truth behind it.
I heard that the explanation that Yeshua in Rabbinic literature is called
“Yeshu” (shortened so as not to speak/write the full “name of idolatry”)
was an explanation by a 19th century German anti-semite.
The explanation may have been cited by “a 19th century German anti-semite”, but it also happens to be true.
If you read Hebrew, see Avigdor Shinan, Oto ha-ish: Yehudim mesaprim al Yeshu ['That Man': Jews Talk about Jesus].
In the religious community I grew up in, Jesus was generally referred to as Yoshke or Oto ha-ish (“that man”). The reason was the prohibition against speaking “names of idolatry”. As often happens with euphemisms, the shortened Yeshu (often written in acronym form – יש”ו – which can also be read ימח שמו וזכרו, “may his name and memory be blotted out”) eventually assumed all of the characteristics of the name it was originally meant to replace.
For more on historical Jewish attitudes to Jesus and Christianity, see Elliot Horowitz, Reckless Rites.
Like children who are never taken care of and have nobody to guide them, then fall in with the wrong people at 10 , start spitting at young mothers with kids at 12 , graduating to car stealing at 14 , hard drugs at 15, murder at 17 , the settlers go from one atrocity to the next. Taking on Christianity is a tall order even for people who walk around with M16s.
In an ideal world of course the leaders of australia’s Jewish orgs would tackle this issue rather than Breaking the Silence but Judaism is undergoing a very deep and mostly unrecognised existential crisis at the moment .
“Jesus is a monkey” “Jesus is dead,” “Death to Christians,” “Mary is a prostitute,”
link to haaretz.com
Jesus is a monkey or Jesus was a monkey?
Question for the graffiti artists:
Should that not be “Death to the followers of a son of a Jewish monkey bitch”?
Mary is a prostitute?
Should that not be was a prostitute?
I often hear that Jesus lives. But now Mary lives and Jesus is dead?
Maybe Mary and her son are monkey-people.
Schrödinger’s monkey-people.
Alive and dead at the same time?
Everyone’s a prostitute
No civil disobedience
link to youtube.com
Hello? Helllllllo? Uncle Abe, you there, dude?
Funny, can’t find a word from Foxman or ADL about Jews attacking Christians being considered “defamation.” Trying to burn down a monastery is probably considered “free speech” by ADL.
Am I in a state of disconnect, or is he?
This criminal act was condemned widely condemned by the Israeli press across the political spectrum right up to the Prime Minister. He said, “This is a criminal act and those responsible must be severely punished,” Netanyahu said. “Religious freedom and worship are two of the most basic institutions in Israel.”
link to jpost.com
In a poll conducted by the Evens Program in Mediation and Conflict Resolution at Tel Aviv University and the Israel Democracy Institute 88% of Israelis opposed ‘price-tag’ attacks (against Palestinians).
It would be interesting to establish by way of statistics just how many comparable crimes occur when the perpetrators are Palestinians, or perhaps in the US or Western European countries, which groups these are directed at and the level of scrutiny they receive by the political establishment and press.
link to fbi.gov
NCINA says: “This criminal act was condemned widely condemned by the Israeli press across the political spectrum right up to the Prime Minister…
…It would be interesting to establish by way of statistics just how many comparable crimes occur when the perpetrators are Palestinians…”
The gist being that Israeli Jews are law-abiding, respectful of the rights of others, and tolerant, whilst Palestinians are hate-filled monsters who rage unchecked across the Western world.
Have I got that right?
Based on the article its unclear whether:
-Such acts of criminality are frequent.
-How these acts compare in terms of frequency to that by Palestinians or comparable crimes by religious/national/ethnic groups other countries factoring proportion to population.
I can’t off hand think of a country where a relatively minor act of criminality has been so broadly condemned, ie: from the Prime Minister to the press, can you, if so do give examples?
The evidence from the survey(s) indicate the majority of Israelis do not approve, are against ‘price-tag’ attacks. I thought this would be self-explanatory although I’m not sure whether you are projecting, being facetious or deliberately misrepresenting me. Very telling though.
The evidence from the survey(s) indicate the majority of Israelis do not approve, are against ‘price-tag’ attacks. I thought this would be self-explanatory
hmmm. there has been no serious crackdown on perps of the price tag attacks and their respective rabbis by law enforcement in israel. this has been well documented here. it is also well documented the idf generally support the actions of the settlers time and again. it’s kind of irrelevant whether the majority do or do not approve of these actions. what’s important is how the state clamps down. let’s see some convictions please.
the state you claim is a democracy rules over 2 peoples with 2 forms of rule. they have no problem imprisoning sans bringing charges, assassinating with no due process and and torturing for confessions those they deem to be criminals if they are palestinians, but jewish terrorists remain illusive. so, i could care less what you claim most israelis think. let’s see some action by their elected leaders, then i’ll take your claims seriously.
In other countries, such acts are the province of a marginalized fringe.
In Israel, mainstream leaders argue that gentiles exist only to serve Jews, that ‘Israel is for the White Man,’ and that whole nations should be exterminated.
The graffiti isn’t the work of a marginalized fringe in Israel. That’s why it’s news.
He said, “This is a criminal act and those responsible must be severely punished,” Netanyahu said. “Religious freedom and worship are two of the most basic institutions in Israel.”
LMAO. Unless your religion requires you to try to convert others, like Jews. Or your a Muslim male about 28 years old and want to worship in al Aqsa. Then the zionist entity occupying Palestine doesn’t give a damn about your religious freedom.
“In a poll conducted by the Evens Program in Mediation and Conflict Resolution at Tel Aviv University and the Israel Democracy Institute 88% of Israelis opposed ‘price-tag’ attacks (against Palestinians).”
Yeah, too bad these same people keep electing governments that support policies that enable them. They say they want one thing and do something else. Are israelis just stupid or what???
“Unless your religion requires you to try to convert others, like Jews. ” – to the best of my knowledge unlike the other two Abrahamic faiths Christianity and Islam Judaism doesn’t actively proselytize.
Israel is a democracy, the only Western style democracy in the region.
“Yeah, too bad these same people keep electing governments that support policies that enable them. They say they want one thing and do something else. ” – I’m unclear what you mean by “enable them” and “They say they want one thing and do something else. ”
These governments “they” elect (presumably you mean settlers/Israelis) ethnically cleansed Gaza of between 8,000-15,000 Jews only to receive a 500% increase in missile attacks by the democratically elected genocidal terrorist group Hamas. That’s democracy.
ncina, i think you misinterpreted woody’s meaning. let’s review what he wrote
he laughed when referencing netanyahu say “Religious freedom and worship are two of the most basic institutions in Israel.”
and was referencing christians and muslims actively converting jews when he wrote “Unless your religion requires you to try to convert others” iow, the meaning was christians and muslims do not have the freedom to actively try to convert jews in israel. i do not know if this is true, but that was his meaning.
Israel is a democracy, the only Western style democracy in the region.
not sure what your point is inserting this allegation at this time but websters definition of democracy includes “the principle of equality of rights, opportunity and treatment, or the practice of this principle.” Israel has no constitution guaranteeing equality for all citizens. It has a set of basic laws that privilege Jews and disenfranchise and discriminate against its 1.6 million Palestinian citizens. Israel is demonstrably not a democracy.
>> Israel is a democracy, the only Western style democracy in the region.
That sounds very pretty, but it neither hides nor excuses the fact that Israel is an oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and supremacist state, born of terrorism and ethnic cleansing, and maintained by means of a 60+ years, ON-GOING and offensive (i.e., not defensive) campaign of aggression, oppression, theft, colonization, destruction and murder.
“to the best of my knowledge unlike the other two Abrahamic faiths Christianity and Islam Judaism doesn’t actively proselytize.”
And that is exactly the point. ‘yahoo talks about religious freedom, but what he means is “you can have religious freedom so long as we Jews are okay with it. The parts of your religion that we don’t want you to do, you’re not allowed to do here.”
Some religious “freedom.”
“Israel is a democracy, the only Western style democracy in the region.”
Baloney. It’s no more a democracy than the palm-thatched huts and bamboo “radio” towers of Cargo Cult religions in the South Pacific were really US air bases. Half of the population under the control of the zionist government has no vote on the makeup of the government that controls their lives: a situation which has existed for 2 generations and, according to ‘yahoo’s party, it’s going to be that way forever.
Some “democracy.”
“I’m unclear what you mean by ‘enable them’ and ‘They say they want one thing and do something else.’”
Zionist apologists always point to polls talking about how the israeli public is (depending on the telling) clearly aching for peace, crying for peace, opposed to the settlements, and on and on an on. And when they get to the polls (in their Jews-and-token-Arabs-only elections), they elect scum like ‘yahoo, the fascist Lieberman and racists like Yishai and don’t seem to have a problem when their government consults with a judeo-supremacist pig like Ovadia Yosef.
Some “public.”
“These governments ‘they’ elect (presumably you mean settlers/Israelis) ethnically cleansed Gaza of between 8,000-15,000 Jews”
LMFAO. Removing squatters so that you can turn the area into a open-air-prison-cum-quasi-Warsaw-ghetto is what you people consider an ethnic cleansing???? I guess police arresting a rapist in the act would be a kidnapping to you…
“only to receive a 500% increase in missile attacks”
Oh, please. They’re getting back 1/10,000 of what you inflict. If these little firecrackers are so bothersome, then maybe they shouldn’t have started the war in the first place or maybe they should accept the Arab Peace Plan today.
There are limits and boundaries, it appears you have a problem if Israel exercises them within its parameters whatever they maybe as a sovereign state.
There are valid and justifiable reasons why Israel is security conscious, case in point Gaza and the hundreds of missile attacks it has suffered. Lieberman is a populist hardly a fascist. Eli Yishai not the other hand is a religiously deluded bigot. I’d hardly describe him as “racist” banding loaded words around diminish their meaning and those that are victims of those words.
” Removing squatters so that you can turn the area into a open-air-prison-cum-quasi-Warsaw-ghetto is what you people consider an ethnic cleansing?” – open air prison that fires hundreds of missiles into Israel, that openly espouses the destruction of its neighbour and whose elected government has a charter calling for genocide. I’ve never known of the Warsaw Ghetto having an obesity problem (not due to malnurishment), having more supplies than any other group, receiving proportionately to population more money, 30-40% owning homes with satellite dishes and internet connections.
Invert victim(s) and victimiser, perhaps in your mind Israel should have tolerated thousands of missiles and excusing persistent terrorism should be excused when the perpetrators aren’t Israelis. The logic being Israels actions are always wrong and immoral, the Palestinians are to be understood, excused and can be justified. That reeks of moral deliquancy to me.
Lastly the Arabs have were offered a state, land for peace numerous times, they either refused, engaged in horrific acts of war, murder and terrorism.
I really do wish people (including me) were morally and logically consistent.
NCINA says: “Israel is a democracy, the only Western style democracy in the region.”
Israel is not a democracy. It denies the franchise to approximately a third of its subjects, and the protection of the law to approximately half.
Israel is a racial oligarchy.
Israel is no more colonialist than: Jordan, Lebanon, Iraq or Pakistan. “Expansionists” don’t o give land conquered in war back to the losers that are oil rich and five times the size of Israel nor do they repeatedly offer 3 times in the last 15-20 years land for peace – 97% of all land in 2000 including East Jerusalem. Arafat refused. They don’t leave Gaza nor does their Prime Minister offer land equaling 97-100% West Bank only for it to be refused.
Its not a zero sum game. There’s never going to be the right of return of refugees and Israel is never going to be one state for Arabs and Jews in all probability there will be slaughter.
“I’ve never known of the Warsaw Ghetto having an obesity problem (not due to malnurishment), having more supplies than any other group, receiving proportionately to population more money, 30-40% owning homes with satellite dishes and internet connections.”
Spoken like a true Nazi.
“I’ve never known of the Warsaw Ghetto having an obesity problem (not due to malnurishment), ”
They could eat eachother? Or someting?
The nazis blamed their victims too.
Can you tell me how those satellite dishes and internet connections work when YOU turn off the electricity?
“receiving proportionately to population more money”
Oh, they need aid?
Strange….
>> “Expansionists” don’t o give land conquered in war back to the losers …
I must have missed the memo declaring that Israel was back within its declared and accepted 1948 borders.
>> There’s never going to be the right of return of refugees …
Makes sense – you can’t have a supremacist “Jewish State” if you let back in the people you ethnically cleansed out of your state in the first place.
>> … and Israel is never going to be one state for Arabs and Jews …
And I don’t think it should be. I think:
- Israel should be a secular, democratic and egalitarian Israeli state, the nation state of and for all Israelis, equally; and
- Palestine should be a secular, democratic and egalitarian Palestinian state, the nation state of and for all Palestinians, equally.
@ NCINA
There are limits to what a sovereign state can do. That was the whole point of the Nuremberg Trials. Do you think those trials have any relevance today concerning Israel? Or do you think, as Goering did, they were just kangaroo trials, victor’s justice?
Is your logic that Palestinian actions are always wrong and immoral? If not, name some that were, are justified. Thanks.
“The Arabs” were offered a rump state devoid of the customary characteristics of any recognized sovereign state. The MW archives are chock full of the details for anyone interested.
I really wish you were morally and logically consistent too.
“There are limits and boundaries, it appears you have a problem if Israel exercises them within its parameters whatever they maybe as a sovereign state.”
What I have a problem with is Israel running a judeo-supremacist state and holding millions of people as stateless serfs on their own land, as the hordes of colonists and the sons of colonists crack the whip.
“There are valid and justifiable reasons why Israel is security conscious”
Yes, in exactly the same way that there are valid and justifiable reason why the Gambino Crime Family is security conscious.
“case in point Gaza and the hundreds of missile attacks it has suffered”
…in retaliation for the crimes that israel committed and commits now against the Palestinians, both in Gaza and West Bank. If the israelis don’t want to get these firecrackers shot at them, they should probably stop murdering people in their fields, burning children with illegal weapons, enforcing an illegal blockade and committing all the other crimes they commit. If they don’t, then the israelis are to blame for every and any act taken against them in retaliation for the israeli’s crimes.
“Lieberman is a populist hardly a fascist.”
Lieberman is absolutely a fascist.
“Eli Yishai not the other hand is a religiously deluded bigot. I’d hardly describe him as ‘racist’”
Please. If saying that “israel” is for the “white man” isn’t racist, then you have no idea what the word means.
“open air prison that fires hundreds of missiles into Israel”
Yes, when people like the israelis take collective action against Palestinians, they forfit the right to complain when their victims fight back. israel is the rapist complaining that the rape victim punched him during the rape.
“that openly espouses the destruction of its neighbour”
No, it calls for the end of the vile bigotry espoused by that neighbor.
“whose elected government has a charter calling for genocide”
BFD. They are an occupied people, being set upon by a bunch of wolves, as they have for generations. What do you expect, praise??
“I’ve never known of the Warsaw Ghetto having an obesity problem”
But it’s typical of you zios to pretend that you aren’t creating a humanitarian crisis in Gaza.
“Invert victim(s) and victimiser”
You people really need to seek psychological counseling. Your victimization complex is pathological. You’ve destroyed these people’s lives for generations and you have the fucking gall to claim that YOU are victims of THEM?? How dare you?
“perhaps in your mind Israel should have tolerated thousands of missiles and excusing persistent terrorism should be excused when the perpetrators aren’t Israelis”
No, israel and its predecessors never should have embarked on the colonial project whereby a horde of foreigners with no ties to the land steal it from it’s rightful owners. And israel should beg forgivness of those they’ve wronged, pay them full compensation and create a state for all the people.
“Lastly the Arabs have were offered a state, land for peace numerous times, they either refused, engaged in horrific acts of war, murder and terrorism.”
LMAO. No, they haven’t. They’ve been given ultimatums and demands for abject surrender. The israel “offers” have been the equivalent of saying “We’ll give you 90% of the swimming pool: You get the bottom 90% and we get the 10% on the top. [and how you get your 'air' is not our problem.]”
“I really do wish people (including me) were morally and logically consistent.”
I just wish that the voting population of israel wasn’t made up of so many evil or wrongheaded or stupid or immoral people.
And pigs might fly – I’m sure the Israeli police are shocked, shocked. I tell you, to find that such things happen in the only democratic state in the world.
Ynet: The police have been preparing for “price tag” actions by extreme right-wing activists. Why the quotes? Is that a police quote?
Let us not write price tag without adding: (terrorist attack). And those extreme right-wing activists are (terrorists).
Thanks Adam. Just another day in the insanity that is zion…
This stuff, incidentally, works great with Evangelicals. I’ve been putting it to good use.
My response to him would be:
Well, there’s ethno-religious supremacists about and you’re not of that ethno-religious group. You didn’t actually think that they were going to leave you alone, did you??? Sorry, Louie, racists don’t work that way. They’ll eventually get to your kind. That’s why you SHOULD have opposed them from the start.
First they came for the Muslims,
and you didn’t speak out because you aren’t a Muslim.
Now it’s your turn, Padre.
Well, it would be fair to say that whatever happened at the settlements was due to the Israeli police, whom the price-taggers are too cowardly even to mock directly, and no Christian was, as everyone knows, consulted in the least. On the other hand the statement that ‘we are Christians and try to do everything with love’ is likely to ring highly unconvincingly in Jewish ears, so that the whole event may have been an attempt to recall and exacerbate an antagonism which the perpetrators regard as basic to a true understanding of history.
I think that organized Christianity is partly to blame for the zionism beast and its acts in Palestine. Had organized Christianity been less concerned about being called names by people who are close in opinion (if not strategy) to these arsonists and vandals, and more concerned about the victims of the zionists — including the Christians — then it is possible that the view of Christian America would be less enthralled by the israeli state that so negatively affects so many of their fellow Christians.
MHughs976 “… the whole event may have been an attempt to recall and exacerbate an antagonism which the perpetrators regard as basic to a true understanding of history.”
If so, I can only urge them on. Someone needs to let them know they need to do more to publicize their actions with American Evangelicals, though. I doubt if they’re getting through, and that makes me very sad.
First they came for the Muslims
No, first they came for the Palestinians, who were both Christian and Muslim. Historically a Palestinian’s faith has made little difference in Israel’s treatment, nor in Palestinian resistance. It’s an avidly propagated Israeli propaganda meme to say otherwise.
“No, first they came for the Palestinians, who were both Christian and Muslim.”
I was aping the three-point interplay between oppressor-victim-bystander in Niemöller’s original. Because, as you say, “Palestinian” constitutes two things, one of which includes these Christians, I thought the three-way interplay of Jew-Muslim-Christian worked better poetically.
Ugly vandals deserve a stiff jail sentence.
“Ugly vandals deserve a stiff jail sentence.”
Right, pudracist666, they should have stuck to stealing land from Palestinians. We all know that’s something that you can get behind…
Does that include all the ugly vandals that “price tagged” Gaza? In the Gaza-massacre. (that they like to call the Gaza war).
I agree.
Ugly vandals deserve a stiff jail sentence.
Bush and Blair, do as Desmond Tutu says. Go to Den Haag. (And take with you Tzipi Livni and all her friends).
link to guardian.co.uk
What Gaza massacre would this be and what was the reasons – links, evidence and proof. Blowing hard and waffling with baseless claims don’t cut it.
“What Gaza massacre would this be ”
LMAO. It’s like asking “What Holocaust would that be??”
the gaza massacre was the massacre named after something in a hanukkah poem/game “dreidel cast from solid lead”
It’s like asking “What Holocaust would that be??”
to which ncina would cleverly answer: links, evidence and proof. Blowing hard and waffling with baseless claims don’t cut it.
“Ugly vandals deserve a stiff jail sentence”
You would need a functioning justice system for that to happen.
When is the last time a settler was imprisoned ?
How can law mean anything when Jews are colonising the West Bank ?
What right do Jews have to the West Bank?
Oh, blech, spare me bullshet! They’re just behaving like proud Zionists. If there’s one thing Zionists hate more than Palestinians; it’s Jesus and everyone who keep Christ’s legacy alive in the Holy Land. Tough! That’s one bane you’ll have to suck up.
I’ve visited Latrun and the Trappist monastary a dozen times before this incident. I am against religious intolerance in all it’s forms.
“I am against religious intolerance in all it’s forms.”
So why did you move to Israel, pudzionist? Are you gonna act all surprised now and tell us you didn’t know what it was like? Or do you think, with your bloated, Muscovy duck of an ego, that if you declare “Whatever it is, I’m against it” that makes it all right.
Well, “proudZionist777″ you are now supporting with your taxes and presence, these attacks. I hope you’re getting your money’s worth. But don’t run that “I’m against it” or “I didn’t know” crap, it fools nobody.
If you don’t like this stuff, why did you move to Israel, you big phony?
“I’ve visited Latrun and the Trappist monastary a dozen times before this incident. I am against religious intolerance in all it’s forms.”
Such as limiting one’s ability to return to the city of one’s birth based on their religion. Oh, wait. That’s right, pudracist. israel in intollerance on ethno-religious basis. That’s fine with you, I guess??
“Ugly vandals deserve a stiff jail sentence.”
You can access “ProudZionist777″ comment archives by clicking on his name above his comment. You can judge for yourself how much religious prejudice he has. It won’t take you long. And you can form your own opinion on his cerebral sufficiency.
I remember once reading a story about a religious traveler who was hiking the world with a cross on his shoulder. He said the unfriendliest country he visited was Israel.
Carowhat says: “I remember once reading a story about a religious traveler who was hiking the world with a cross on his shoulder. He said the unfriendliest country he visited was Israel.”
! I wonder if that’s the same guy I saw in South Carolina?
I remember that. It was definitely a ‘Toto, I’ve got a feeling we’re not in Berkeley anymore’ moment.
You definitely won’t find the good Samaritan among the Zionist crowd, especially if the beggar by the road is a Palestinian or a guy hauling a cross.
Christians disrespected in Christ’s Motherland
Israeli experts interviewed by a reporter of GTimes said that Netanyahu’s words of the free exercise of Christianity in Israel were, to say the least, wishful thinking. “Netanyahu is a pathological liar. There is discrimination against Christians in all areas. Recently one man, accused of baptizing his children, was deported from Israel. “Especially hard is the life of Jewish Christians,” said an Israeli human rights activist Maria Pesikova. “According to the Israeli law, a converted Jew has no right to repatriation, so Christians have to deny their faith when entering the country, in other words, to renounce Christ. Children of Jewish Christians are bullied in schools. Moreover, Christian parents of Jews are not allowed to teach their children faith. If Social Services find out that a Jewish child is a Christian who fasts, prays and goes to the temple with her parents, the authorities have the right to take away custody of the child from the parents, as it is considered child abuse.”
link to english.pravda.ru
“Christians disrespected in Christ’s Motherland”
Blake, Christians pointing the accusing finger at the Jews for 2000 years for deicide may have something to do with it; salt was rubbed into the wound in 1965 when Pope Paul VI repudiated the belief in the collective Jewish guilt, especially that of modern-day Jews since they weren’t around when it happened. In 1998, the Evangelical Lutheran Church of America likewise repudiated the belief that all the Jews are guilty of deicide. The Orthodox Christians have still to get on board the repudiation bus and forgive the Jews. Can’t blame the Jews too much for that one.
ooops, that one really came out wrong. What I meant was that Jews couldn’t be blamed for being angry for having been wrongly accused all these years. I wasn’t referring to vile act of desecrating the church or condoning it in any way. Sorry for the screw up.
One could argue that the whole problem of Zionism and why it plays out in the Levant instead of Galicia is down to the very complex relationship between Judaism and Christianity, which never had anything to do with the native people of Palestine.
Say Judaism is Christianity’s mother and the child in addition to being abusive and murderous in the past never called and the mother takes it all out on poor benighted Gaza who was a passerby when the 2 were driving in the neighborhood one day from out of town in Poland.
No matter how you sliced it; it came out of the same pie hole. I know what you meant the moment you threw in Orthodox Christians. Soooo, you’re telling me that because they’re not groveling to ask forgiveness from Jews they were asking to have their monastery desecrated, because THAT’S the justification you’re giving for what those Ziothugs did no matter how much you condemn it.
As a matter of fact it doesn’t matter what branch of Christians they are because Jesus will always be persona non grata among Zionists.
“Recently one man, accused of baptizing his children, was deported from Israel. ”
Is there an article with more on this?
Cannot find anything on that story. Did find this interesting tidbit though:
ISRAEL AND HALF-JEWISH PEOPLE
“Born Jews, with two Jewish parents, who immigrate to Israel from the Diaspora (outside of Israel) are automatically considered Israeli Jewish citizens, unless they have officially converted to another religion. They become Israeli Jewish citizens under the decades-old “Law of Return.”
Unfortunately, the situation is very different for half-Jewish people.”
More: link to half-jewish.net
Lol! Nice return on your part.
This is kind of splitting hairs, but I think the rule is that if the person had a Jewish mother and practices another religion they are considered to have converted, aren’t Jewish, and can’t immigrate. But if they’re Jewish half is their father’s side, they are considered never to have been Jewish and can immigrate as not Jewish.
These people are so blinded in their hatred, they cannot see this type of vandalism could lead to unquestioned loss of support for Israel by Christians and even the $3 billion + welfare America gives to Israel annually to provide the qualitative edge in military hardware.
As long as the government, congress, and the media give full throated support for Israel on everything (and maintain that anything less than unconditional support is anti-Semitic) I can’t see how public opinion will ever change.
If Israel were to bomb Iran we would see nothing but wall to wall coverage from our own media (not to mention demands from congress) urging us to go to war. Doing anything less will be called throwing Israel under the bus, failing to support an ally, or ensuring another Holocaust.
If any American soldiers or sailors get killed (by Iran on purpose, by jumpy Iranian soldiers acting without orders or in a false flag operation) there wouldn’t be any way for the president (any president) to stay out of the war.
Please keep that so called “welfare” even though 70% goes back into US high tech defence and directly supports thousands of US not Israeli jobs. Continue to arm the worlds WORST human rights abusers like Saudi Arabia to a record tune of $60 billion. Continue to arm terrorists and make wars in the region which maim and kill by the hundreds of thousands and make an already unstable region worse. Please continue to give the MUSLIM WORLD $20 billion I’m sure the benefits exceed cost and it pays you dividends after all they still hate the US more than me.
How convenient. It’s okay when it’s Iran’s foes that are being armed, but it’s not okay when comparing funding and arming Israel to arming Saudis.
And speaking of arming. Apartheid Israel armed Apartheid South Africa. Brothers in arms and apartheid.
I thought the “Jesus is a monkey” touch was very naive .
Is that supposed to draw the wrath of Christians ?
I suppose they had much success with calling the Prophet a pig so they thought calling Jesus another animal would work.
seafoid says: “I thought the “Jesus is a monkey” touch was very naive .
Is that supposed to draw the wrath of Christians ?
I suppose they had much success with calling the Prophet a pig so they thought calling Jesus another animal would work.”
Maybe they’re just vile hate-filled vermin. It’s possible they don’t really have a purpose — their actions are ends in themselves.
It’s interesting. If they were isolated from their victims, they’d almost certainly turn on each other.
Back story of the ethnic cleansing of Palestinian villages in the Latrun Salient (location of the monastery) which occurred during the 1967 war, from a Canadian TV show report from 1991:
link to video.google.ca
After the villages were razed the JNF Canada did fundraising and built ‘Canada Park’, without ever telling Canadians that the park was built on stolen land inside the occupied territories.
Well worth a look if you haven’t seen it already. You can sense from the blatant lying of the JNF reps in the video what a huge change the advent of cheap video cameras/You Tube/social media have made to the general discourse on I/P. He could never get away with that today.
“The Jewish Press” have a different take on it. Of course there have been no attacks of Muslims on Christian churches in Palestine throughout history but…
Monastery Door Set on Fire and Jesus Called ‘Monkey’ – But Are You Sure Jewish Kids Did It?
By: Yori Yanover
Excerpt:
Frankly, I think it was some Arab kids. My friend Y. pointed out that it’s Arabs who assign monkey slurs to non-Muslims. All day long with them it’s the Jews are monkeys. A Jewish hill kid just doesn’t think in those terms. I’m telling you, Monkey is an Arab insult. If a Jewish kid had written it, it would have probably said: Jesus is an Arab.
Note the spelling of the name — not a Jewish spelling! We spell it Yesh”u or Yeshu..
They also spelled it “Yeshua” which is the Arab-Christian way of spelling that man’s name. We call him Yeshu, which is a Talmudic acronym for “Yimach Shmo V’Zichro” — May his name and memory be obliterated.
link to jewishpress.com
Monastery Door Set on Fire and Jesus Called ‘Monkey’ – But Are You Sure Jewish Kids Did It?
Just to continue Mr. Yanover’s brilliant forensic analysis, the perp(s) not only knew the names of the current cause célèbre outposts and copied the m.o. of past “price tag” ops (which enjoy wide support among settlers and Jewish Press readers alike – or so my friend S. told me), but they were even aware of the fact that the really cool “price taggers” now use “mutual responsibility” as a signature instead of “price tag”. Is Mr. Yanover sure that he wants to give monkey-slurring Arabs credit for being so terribly clever?
“They also spelled it ‘Yeshua’ which is the Arab-Christian way of spelling that man’s name. We call him Yeshu, which is a Talmudic acronym for ‘Yimach Shmo V’Zichro’ — May his name and memory be obliterated.”
Wow. Given this kind of nasty hate among Jews for Christ and Christians, exactly how are there any Christians who are hard core zionists?
Secretly they hate each others guts. Only fake Christians and Jews with selective memories regarding the return would enable the oppression of others in God’s name.
since 2008 there have been at least 53 price tag attacks.
Yori’s problem is that the settlers are the ones who have
the track record, not the arabs.
link to en.wikipedia.org
and was he serious at the end of the article?
I will release my findings as soon as I conclude my investigation, at about the same time the cops show theirs…
all crap
pal hasbies nodding wise heads –what did i tell about those zionists they sure are mean
now lets see who would gain from this stunt in the monastery
Obviously it was Pallywood. Kiryat Arba is run by Palestinains as well but you’ll never hear that in the MSM. All those fake kippas – you can see them from a mile away. Most of the IDF officers caught on video are also Palestinian stooges.
Perhaps again it is done by very young yeshiva kids.
And they teach them how to spit on clergy too.
Considering they have this on their television what else can one expect link to youtube.com
And “wes” you are a clown.
@ Abdul-Rahman
Is this one from Israel’s entertainment media?
link to youtube.com
And that’s no doubt the monkey muppet version on their educational channel after which they send the kiddies off to write love notes on bombs! Teaching depravity from cradle to grave via ZioTV.
“Yimach Shmo V’Zichro” — May his name and memory be obliterated.
Uh…tooo late! His name and memory were carried forward and are still being passed on by billions of people. Just goes to show you how much influence Jews have with God when it comes to stomping out Jesus’ legacy. And that folks is what really drives them bonkers!
A language and culture lesson wouldn’t go amiss. How can anybody have influence over a supernatural myth? Medication time anybody?