Stoking fear of ‘genocide,’ an academic pushes Israel to war

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Gregory Stanton
Dr. Gregory Stanton, professor of Genocide Studies and Prevention at George Mason University, says Iran wants to commit “genocide” against Israel.

An American academic who was one of the creators of the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda and was later fired by the State Department is riling up fear about Iran, claiming that it is about to commit “genocide” against Israel. Gregory Stanton, professor at George Mason University and founder of Genocide Watch, stated last week in a lecture at the Hebrew University that the Islamic republic has already embarked on a path to eliminate Israel, according to the Times of Israel.

“One of the best predictors of genocide is incitement to genocide,” said Stanton, “and I believe that is exactly what Iran is doing today.”

The Times of Israel relates the substance of Stanton’s presentation:

Often, genocide goes unrecognized. In the opening slide of Stanton’s lecture three perplexed diplomats, clutching attaché cases that label them as representing the EU, the US and the UN, look around at a patch of desert, Darfur, that is stained with the bodies of the dead. ‘Well…’ says one; ‘Genocide, genocide…’ says another; ‘Difficult question…’ says the third.

Iran, he said, had classified and symbolized Israel through exclusionary ideology and hate speech; dehumanized it – ‘overcoming the normal human revulsion against murder’ — by portraying the potential victims as a ‘cancer’ in need of eradication; organized fanatical militias (the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps); polarized the society by repressing dissent and arresting moderates; prepared for the killing by denying a past genocide and by constructing weapons of mass destruction; and, through global terrorism, even begun the seventh of his eight stages: extermination.

Stanton is known in academic circles for creating an eight-stage system of indicators to determine if a country is going to embark on annihilation. In his lecture, Stanton placed Iran in the seventh—maybe even eighth—stage. But his logic has gaping holes; Stanton is unable to explain why anti-Israel rhetoric from Iran confirms that nuclear war is on the horizon. This same line of thinking was espoused a few days later on “Meet the Press,” when Benjamin Netanyahu said,

Iran is guided by a leadership with an unbelievable fanaticism. It’s the same fanaticism that you see storming your embassies today. You want these fanatics to have nuclear weapons?

The professor’s resume is not only that of an influential scholar of genocide; his diplomatic past includes abuses of Foreign Service privileges to evade prosecution. While working for the Foreign Service in 1998 Stanton allegedly rammed his car into a Virginia video rental store owner after becoming incensed over a $4.50 late fee. At the times the Free Lance-Star reported:

Stanton was accused of hitting Hassan Mostafavi, a McLean video store owner, over the head with a videocassette, then driving his car at the man, knocking him through the plate glass front of a restaurant.

After the incident, Stanton fled to Amsterdam on his diplomatic passport, but then returned to the United States and turned himself in.

A year after the assault charges, Stanton was fired by the State Department for unrelated cause; according to the Times of Israel, Stanton gloated over his dismissal during his Jerusalem lecture:

[I]n the late nineties, he was fired from the State Department. His supervisor, frustrated with his efforts to document what he called ‘the appalling cowardice’ of the Department in April 1994 — when it voted to withdraw all UNAMIR peacekeepers in Rwanda in the face of a mounting genocide — wrote the type of evaluation that she knew would eventually terminate his career. ‘Greg apparently does not understand that the State Department is a hierarchical organization,’ he quoted, with obvious pleasure, during the lecture.

Despite his checkered past, Stanton’s latest lecture demonstrates that the push to war is gaining support from not only government officials, but academics. And in this case an academic who has built a career out of a desire to prevent crimes against humanity. The bulk of Stanton’s published work concerns prevention of genocide in Cambodia and Rwanda.

It cannot be said that Stanton is seeking to understand global politics; instead he is pushing to prosecute and isolate Iran. At Hebrew University he said the Iranian government should be taken to the International Court of Justice in The Hague, and he advocated that other countries should follow Canada’s lead and cut diplomatic relations with Iran.

166 Responses

  1. dimadok
    September 20, 2012, 11:29 am

    His credibility should be beyond doubt since he dealt with Rwanda and tried to prevent the horrors there-but once he started to speak against Iran and be “pro” Israel, look how the tables has turned. He is the bad guy now. Judge Goldstone v 2.0 anyone?

    • Annie Robbins
      September 20, 2012, 12:59 pm

      He is the bad guy now.

      he showed signs of instability prior to this, or didn’t you read the article.

      • hophmi
        September 20, 2012, 1:37 pm

        “he showed signs of instability prior to this, or didn’t you read the article.”

        And of course no one in the pro-Palestinian community has ever done anything wrong. Scott Ritter is a pedophile. Does that mean no one is to take his assessment of Iraq’s WMD’s seriously?

      • Woody Tanaka
        September 20, 2012, 2:29 pm

        “And of course no one in the pro-Palestinian community has ever done anything wrong. ”

        What a stupidly useless statement. His lack of credibility is neither helped or harmed by the status of anyone in the Palestinian community. For pete’s sakes, the man tried to kill someone over a $4.50 video rental charge. Even you, dimwitted and bigoted as you are, can see reason to question the mental faculties of someone who would do that.

      • Blake
        September 20, 2012, 2:33 pm

        How did Palestinians do anything wrong? They are where they always were, not harming anyone minding their own business….. & knew peace – that is until over 80% were forced from their land by an insane ideology with a sense of entitlement to it. The oppression being done on them and the remainder who remained within their ancestral land has not been instigated by them. Hardly a scenario to be compared with Rwanda either.

      • rws450
        September 20, 2012, 3:46 pm

        Scott Ritter was convicted of “unlawful contact with a minor” in an online sting operation. That does not make him a “pedophile” by most definitions. It is still a valid question whether he was individually targeted. Perhaps a coincidence but I noticed that he had started to talk about Israel’s role in the buildup and initial stages of the Iraq war before he was charged.

      • libra
        September 20, 2012, 8:24 pm

        hophmi, here’s Stanton’s 8 stage guide to genocide.

        Rather than argue about Stanton’s state of mind, why don’t you as an undeniably balanced and fair-minded person (indeed a lawyer if my memory doesn’t fail me) give us an independent evaluation of Iran against each of these 8 stages to see how far it has progressed towards committing genocide against Israelis?

        And as a double check of Stanton’s methodology, why not also assess how far Israel has progressed towards committing genocide against the Palestinians? After all, if Iran against the Israelis scores lower than Israel against the Palestinians we’ll have to assume that Stanton has been out to lunch from the very beginning.

        I look forward to seeing what you come up with.

      • ColinWright
        September 20, 2012, 8:45 pm

        libra: “hophmi, here’s Stanton’s 8 stage guide to genocide…”

        Going by that, Israel must be about to blow.

      • hophmi
        September 20, 2012, 9:05 pm

        “Rather than argue about Stanton’s state of mind, why don’t you as an undeniably balanced and fair-minded person (indeed a lawyer if my memory doesn’t fail me) give us an independent evaluation of Iran against each of these 8 stages to see how far it has progressed towards committing genocide against Israelis? ”

        I don’t agree with Spencer, but for argument’s sake:

        1. CLASSIFICATION: The Iranians have classified the Israelis as the other.
        2. SYMBOLIZATION: Iran refers to Israel as “The Zionist Entity” and “The Little Satan.”
        3. DEHUMANIZATION: Iranian clerics frequently refer to Jews as pigs and monkeys and Iranian leaders call Israel “The Little Satan.”
        4. ORGANIZATION: Don’t know about this one, but it could be the use of proxies like Hezbollah and Hamas.
        5. POLARIZATION: Little harder, but the regime routinely cracks down on dissidents.
        6. PREPARATION: Iran is developing a nuke.
        7. EXTERMINATION: Hasn’t happened, but has been talked about.
        8. DENIAL: No Extermination yet, so no denial.

      • thetumta
        September 20, 2012, 9:59 pm

        “Scott Ritter is a pedophile.” And hophmi, you know this how? And have you or anyone else located WMDs anywhere other than in Israel? Have you interviewed any little girls on the web who claim to know Scott Ritter? Just wondering how your so certain about this?
        Hej!

      • ColinWright
        September 20, 2012, 10:10 pm

        How well does it all fit Israel and the Palestinians, Hophmi?

      • hophmi
        September 20, 2012, 10:10 pm

        “Scott Ritter was convicted of “unlawful contact with a minor” in an online sting operation. That does not make him a “pedophile” by most definitions. ”

        OK, but you get my point. We don’t judge the validity of a political argument on the personal life of the person making the argument.

      • RoHa
        September 20, 2012, 10:55 pm

        By those criteria, both the USA and the USSR were pretty close to genocide in the 1950s.

        But your (and Stanton’s) interpretation of the stages to apply to Iran seems pretty shaky, when compared with the version here.

        link to genocidewatch.org

        4. ORGANIZATION: “proxies like Hezbollah and Hamas” These are not Iranian at all. Nor are they organized for genocide. Stanton picks the Revolutionary Guard instead.
        5. POLARIZATION: It looks as though Stanton means “separating group to be slaughtered from the slaughterers”. The Iranian regime cracks down on Iranian dissidents, but this has nothing to do with separating Iranians from Israeli Jews.
        6. PREPARATION: Stanton here describes the physical segregation of the proposed victims. Iran is not segregating Israeli Jews.

        (Also, if Iran is developing a nuke to nuke Israel, Hamas and Hezbollah will not be needed as proxies. That annuls your point 5. And the Revolutionary Guard will be similarly superfluous.

        Of course, there is nothing discriminate about nukes, so this sort of “preparation” is quite the opposite of the segregation Stanton describes.)

        So both you and Stanton are twisting his original version to make it fit Iran.

      • Hostage
        September 20, 2012, 11:47 pm

        His credibility should be beyond doubt since he dealt with Rwanda and tried to prevent the horrors there

        No he only helped draft the UN Security Council resolutions that established the international criminal tribunal after the fact. The current situation isn’t even vaguely similar. The international legal community hasn’t taken these propaganda talking points about Iran as serious propositions.

      • Woody Tanaka
        September 21, 2012, 9:39 am

        “OK, but you get my point. We don’t judge the validity of a political argument on the personal life of the person making the argument.”

        That’s a stupid point, hopper. We’re not questioning the validity of his political argument based on his personal life; we’re questioning his ability to think rationally based on his history of irrational thinking.

      • traintosiberia
        September 23, 2012, 11:33 am

        Classification- Jews and Gentiles
        Jews and animals , beasts ( Arab)
        Symbolization- Israel is Zion. Zionism is not racism .Zionist care for Israel. Israel is a country for the Jewish of the world . Non Jewsih can move to other countries. Too much population explosion of non Arabs will not preserve the state .Arabs are not part of Zion.
        Dehumanization – Israel ( including its extension in the West ) refers to muslims as rogue,terrorist,non democratic,murderers , “they hate Jews more than they love their children “,believe in a creed that is anti western .Israeli supporter ( Friedman ) believe Arab neighborhood need to be shaken [ what a choice of language! Bombing someone to stone age is like shaking a tree so that ripe fruit of western pro Israeli democracy just drop to the ground ]. Israelis call Iranian Amlek
        Organization- Open like MEK and covert like Jundullah or Abu Nidal at the Zio service for last 30 odd years and counting.
        Polarization- Banning Palestine leaders, banning Israeli – Arab leaders, disallowing freedom of movement of scholars and students in occupied land
        Banning NAM to visit WB , Banning protests of Palestine ,punishing Gazan for exercising democratic rights killing international protesters to occupation and to blockade , marking the roads for Jewish only , marking the water supply for Jewish only,
        Preparation- Israel not only has nukes. It will use against the rest of the world if its interest is threatened even against the people like Europeans who have done nothing against the state of Israel. Israel has offered nukes to other rogue regime like SA.
        Extermination- Land without people is for the people without the land. Expel the landed native. Deny that expulsion happened .Tell they left voluntarily. The remaining Palestine came after Israel was created and should go back to Jordan or Arab in general.
        Kill the scientist, maintain the sanction and see if an war can be fomented between Iran and someone like West. Tell we will nuke them , we will we will we will!!!! There is this red line always creeping inside! Tell America we wont sit down and listen to your silence . we want to destroy Iranian nukes ( yes there will be civilian casulty but listen to this author in Wa Po “what will be life like in Tel Aviv after an attack on Iran” not life in Iran!! BTW we are not saying we will kill and destroy Iranian people as Iranian are saying they will to us , but it can happen but that is not our purpose.You see the difference. We have noble purpose of stopping Hitler ,the one with Little moustache and Big “H”). Extermination can be achieved slowly by the blockade and the putting the whole population on a diet and it can be and has been achieved by friends in high places like in London,Paris and in Washington in Iraq. can be repeated in Iran. [ Oops! it has to reach 5 millions in 5 years.Otherwise the application to genocide will be denied . ]
        Denial- They attacked us in 1967, 1982,1996,2006,2009.
        And the gleeful orgastic body contours with silent acknowledgement of cyber attacks and assassination of scientist,leaders,and international youth protesters! in addition to putting the whole population on a diet!

      • piotr
        October 15, 2012, 11:00 pm

        Good job, hard to be brief. I would add “parking lot” meme making rounds in Israeli press. Every so often someone proposes to convert Lebanon, Iran etc. into a “parking lot”. This is causally used rhetoric of annihilation.

      • amigo
        October 16, 2012, 7:11 am

        What Iraqi WMD,S.

      • proudzionist777
        October 16, 2012, 1:36 pm

        @rws450

        Ritter was caught in an online sting that had been created by a small, rural police department.

        Sorry. No Zionist conspiracy. Try again tomorrow.

        link to nytimes.com

      • Mooser
        October 16, 2012, 2:17 pm

        “8. DENIAL: No Extermination yet, so no denial.”

        Wow, Hophmi, I know what them evil Iranians are gonna do! See, they will r’are up and pass a genocide on Israel’s Jews with nuclear bombings, after having invented a Jew-killing, Muslim-sparing bomb, but they won’t touch the Jews in Iran, so they can taunt them with it!
        Yeah, taunt them with it, that’s the ticket!

      • RoHa
        September 20, 2012, 8:40 pm

        All this fuss about his sanity and credibility is just argumentum ad hominem.

        He might be nutty as a fruitcake, and still right about this issue.

        This isn’t a he-said-she-said divorce case.

        Examine his reasoning, not his past.

      • Hostage
        September 21, 2012, 12:51 am

        Examine his reasoning, not his past.

        His reasoning is pretty flawed. Neither the circumstances, nor the statements made by the Iranian officials about Zionism satisfy the necessary mental element to establish that they have the intent to incite or engage in genocidal behavior against Israelis.

        On the other hand, the occupation of Palestine in violation of UN resolutions; constant discussions about preemptive strikes; deployment of nuclear armed submarines; employing sabotage against centrifuges; and murdering Iranian scientists are pretty powerful evidence of on-going aggression.

      • RoHa
        September 21, 2012, 4:44 am

        “His reasoning is pretty flawed.”

        That’s what I think, too. He doesn’t even seem to use his own criteria.

  2. seafoid
    September 20, 2012, 11:32 am

    The notion of Zionists calling out Shia Muslims as fanatical is laughable. When is Moshiach due to land on the Temple Mount again?

    • piotr
      October 16, 2012, 6:20 am

      We also have our domestic Rapture believers. If you count all Messiahs, some coming for the first time, some making the second appearance, including Mahdis and the Hidden Imam, it will be quite crowded at Megiddo.

  3. Dan Crowther
    September 20, 2012, 12:02 pm

    I wonder if this lecture was aimed at the 36% of American Jews who said they wouldn’t support a US attack on Iran if Israel attacked and Iran countered (by attacking Israel)
    and that’s the Jewish Daily Forward’s poll…….

  4. Annie Robbins
    September 20, 2012, 12:57 pm

    At Hebrew University he said the Iranian government should be taken to the International Court of Justice in The Hague

    on what pretense? this is insane.

    • ritzl
      September 20, 2012, 1:26 pm

      “insane”

      Yep. Increasingly so, and more importantly, increasingly demonstrably so, and perhaps most importantly increasingly publicly so.

      “Their” pushback is not effective as it has little relate-able basis and a high and noticeable “gate-keeping” content. Kinda like right-wing “humor.”

    • hophmi
      September 20, 2012, 1:39 pm

      “on what pretense? ”

      On calling Israel a cancer, threatening it with annihilation . . .Oh yes, cue the language parsing about how Ahmadinneryoyo never actually said he would wipe Israel off the map.

      • ColinWright
        September 20, 2012, 3:03 pm

        hophmi says: ““on what pretense? ”

        On calling Israel a cancer, threatening it with annihilation . . .Oh yes, cue the language parsing about how Ahmadinneryoyo never actually said he would wipe Israel off the map”

        Leaving aside your attempts to restore credibility to a discredited translation, it’s a moot point what Iran would like to do.

        Back when Diaz ruled Mexico (ca. 1880-1911) it was fashionable for the Mexican army to talk about ‘the enemy to the north’ — the idea being that they were going to strike to regain Mexico’s lost territories.

        Should we have ‘struck first’? Considering the relative power relationships, the situations are astonishingly similar. Mexico wasn’t actually a threat — and there is no way that Iran is a threat either.

        Iran would have to be willing to accept her own total and permanent annihilation to even think about attacking Israel. For that to change, it would require an unforeseen revolution in military technology, aside from a quantum leap in Iran’s own technical abilities.

        Transparently, Israel is looking for a war, and Iran is the best available candidate. Can we quit with the pretense that anything else at all is going on here?

      • Woody Tanaka
        September 20, 2012, 3:09 pm

        “On calling Israel a cancer, threatening it with annihilation”

        LMAO. Well, it’s a good thing Ronald Reagan is dead or else his threats against the USSR to put them in the ash heap of history would land him, per hoppy, in the Hague. LOL.

        And, really, hoppy, “annihilation”. You can split the hair on incitement when the incitor speaks from a position you apparently favor, but are reduced to overblown rhetoric when it comes from a speaker — like Iran — whose position you disfavor. Kinda hypocritical, don’t you think? I mean, the US and its allies have done far worse in Iraq and Afghanistan than Iran has expressed for Palestine. So when is George Bush going to the Hague??

      • Donald
        September 20, 2012, 9:09 pm

        “So when is George Bush going to the Hague??”

        That is the heart of the problem here. Should Iran be taken to the Hague? Darned if I know. Maybe they are guilty of inciting hatred with the Holocaust denial stuff. But I’ll take all this moralizing seriously when Western officials have to worry about court appearances.

      • ColinWright
        September 20, 2012, 10:11 pm

        Well, it’s a moot point. Israel has one of the largest nuclear arsenals in the world, and an impressive array of delivery systems.

        It doesn’t matter what Iran’s intentions toward Israel are. Iran doesn’t pose a threat to her, and everyone knows that perfectly well.

      • Sumud
        September 20, 2012, 3:26 pm

        On calling Israel a cancer, threatening it with annihilation

        Israel is a cancer – 60+ years of fomenting war & conflict with Palestinians and the neighbours is testimony to that.

        No-one needs to threaten Israel with annihilation, just hold up a mirror and you’ll see Israel is imploding, with no help from anyone or any other nation. Not even Iran.

        Gregory Stanton might do well to assess Israel for potential genocide. Last I heard it was in Israel where blacks are being attacked on the street for being black, and the youth are marching on the streets screaming “death to arabs”, and their next stop: the IDF. Meanwhile Iranian jews continue to refuse substantial bribes to make aliyah.

      • hophmi
        September 20, 2012, 3:39 pm

        “Meanwhile Iranian jews continue to refuse substantial bribes to make aliyah.”

        Yeah, and Iran is such a free country that you can take anything Iranian Jews say there without a grain a salt.

      • Sumud
        September 20, 2012, 4:24 pm

        Yeah, and Iran is such a free country that you can take anything Iranian Jews say there without a grain a salt.

        I think you mean ‘with a grain of salt’ – i.e. you’re sceptical.

        Hmm, perhaps they’re being held hostage – all 25,000 of them. That’s just the kind of dastardly thing those wicked Persians would do too isn’t it? (I mean the non-jewish ones of course…)

        I mean, you just can’t comprehend that Iranian jews might identify with Iran more than Israel can you?

      • Egbert
        September 21, 2012, 9:24 am

        Iranian Jews were (don’t know the current position given the Israel-inspired US blockade) freely able to travel to Israel and back, in spite of official restrictions. How? The good ole dual-passport ruse. Fly to Germany (for example) using their Iranian passport then on to Israel using an Israeli passport. Return in reverse. The Iranian govt knows this happens but can do nothing to stop it.

        So, Jews living in Iran (the most evil country in the whole world, evah (TM)) have greater freedom of movement than Palestinians under Israeli occupation.

      • Stephen Shenfield
        September 22, 2012, 8:33 am

        Iran is an “Islamic Republic” so all non-Moslems are at a disadvantage in certain respects. However, Jews (and Christians) as “people of the Book” have official recognition, can worship freely, and even have quotas for representation in parliament. These arrangements are in accordance with traditional Islamic treatment of dhimmis, and there is no serious reason to regard them as preliminary to genocide. However, the followers of unrecognized religions, above all Bahai, have received much worse treatment. If any group in Iran is under threat of genocide, surely it is the Bahai. But who cares about them?

      • Mooser
        October 16, 2012, 2:10 pm

        “Yeah, and Iran is such a free country that you can take anything Iranian Jews say there without a grain a salt.”

        Yeah, guys, pay no attention to what ordinary Jews say. Professional Jews like Hophmi will tell you what Jews are thinking.
        There you go Hophmi, I’m according your vocation the respect it deserves. No mere Jewish drub (not Yiddish, but it should be, don’t you think?), you’re a professional.

      • hophmi
        October 16, 2012, 4:10 pm

        “Yeah, guys, pay no attention to what ordinary Jews say. Professional Jews like Hophmi will tell you what Jews are thinking.”

        So Mooser, are you saying that you trust people living in dictatorships to tell the truth about how things are in those countries? You must have been a huge fan of the Soviet Union.

      • thetumta
        September 20, 2012, 10:23 pm

        No, he quoted someone that said said Zionism would destroy itself without any assistance from anyone, no need to do anything. Evil will just die. What did Mahatma Gandhi say about the Zionist project? Maybe he was right?

        If they can be de-fanged in the short term, we can just watch them go down the same path of all of the other Ethnic Fascist movements of the 19th and 20th Centuries, like Stalinism, the Black Shirts(a Netan-Kookoo family favorite), National Socialism, the Phalangists and all the other left over sick “isms” from the past.

        Hopefully, Zionism will be consigned to a Museum somewhere soon and forgotten about. We might just get lucky.

        Hej! Tumta

      • sardelapasti
        September 29, 2012, 4:51 pm

        I read: ” ‘Israel’ will also become history” (doesn’t say anywhere “I’ll do it”) What ‘parsing’? That’s just what he says, look up ‘parsing’. As for your oh-so-knowledgeable interpretation, even if Persian were your mother tongue, I wonder if anyone would take the word of a Zionist for anything. Not to mention that of a white-bread American with a smattering of constructed-language “Modern Khebrew” who pretends to believe any tall tale.
        No ‘annihilation threat’, anywhere, but annihilation is pretty obviously on its way, so where’s the beef?

  5. American
    September 20, 2012, 1:26 pm

    A nut case in search of another genocide to blather about and gain some attention and relevance.
    And since the anti semitsm slur might cost him speaking fees he uses Iran as his new crusade.

  6. eljay
    September 20, 2012, 1:34 pm

    >> classified and symbolized … through exclusionary ideology and hate speech; dehumanized …

    Palestinians are insatiable fanatics and terrorists, and they and their demographic represent nothing less than an existential threat. Check!

    >> … organized fanatical militias …

    The IDF. Check!

    >> polarized the society by repressing dissent and arresting moderates

    Check and check!

    >> … prepared for the killing by denying a past genocide …

    The Nakba never happened. Check!

    >> … constructing weapons of mass destruction

    200-400 nuclear warheads. Check!

    >> … through global terrorism, even begun the seventh of his eight stages: extermination.

    Engaging in covert ops and extra-judicial assassinations in various parts of the world; engaging in on-going land theft, colonization and oppression outside of its borders; offensive (i.e., not defensive) military assaults; etc. Check!

    Congratulations, Israel! You’ve made the grade!

  7. ColinWright
    September 20, 2012, 2:49 pm

    This guy is an example of what one could call an ‘enabling intellectual.’

    Of course Iran doesn’t pose a threat to Israel: the notion that any state actor within range of Israel’s nuclear arsenal could pose a physical threat to Israel is intrinsically absurd.

    What he does is lend academic respectability to Israel ‘striking first’ — and that of course is what this is all about. It is morally similar to Hitler raving about ethnic Germans being lynched in Poland — it’s the creation of a pretext to justify one’s own aggression.

    Of course Israel needs such lies. It would never do to admit the truth — which is that Israel needs a war, and she has seized upon Iran to provide it.

  8. Have the GUTS to shout_BOYCOTT ISRAEL
    September 20, 2012, 3:10 pm

    Why do you think characters like this old fossil dare say things like “Iran should be taken to the Hague”?

    here is a modest suggestion by a decade-long advocate of BOYCOTT Israel:
    Maybe it is because “courageous” “peace activists” such as yourselves, never even whisper that “Israel should be taken to the Hague for the daily murder of Palestinians, Lebanese and a whole lot of others”.
    ———————–
    Don’t be so shocked at the boldness of this old fossil; he is only a reflection of your meek “determination” about the absolute immediate need to STOP Israel.

  9. Annie Robbins
    September 20, 2012, 3:38 pm

    Have the GUTS to shout_BOYCOTT ISRAEL says:……he is only a reflection of your meek “determination”

    ee gads, there are 2 of you now?

  10. JaapBo
    September 20, 2012, 4:32 pm

    Stanton might study 1948 and the way the Zionists destroyed more than 60 per cent of Palestinian society, it’s an example of genocide.

  11. Linda J
    September 22, 2012, 3:23 pm

    If Iran wanted to attack some Jews, they could just pick on the ones living there already, but they haven’t! link to nytimes.com

  12. GHStanton
    September 22, 2012, 4:04 pm

    It is sad that Allison Deger, the author of this blog, either did not attend my lecture, which was on the Eight Stages of Genocide, not mainly on Iran, or just didn’t get it at all. For those who want to view the powerpoint I used for the lecture, they can view it on the http://www.genocidewatch.org website under Eight Stages of Genocide.
    I am completely opposed to Israel going to war with Iran, and said so at the lecture.
    Instead what I advocated is a new approach to deterring genocide: getting a country that is a State-Party to the Genocide Convention such as Canada to bring a dispute with Iran to the International Court of Justice in the Hague for violation of the Genocide Convention’s Article 3b, which makes it a crime to directly and publicly incite genocide against another national, ethnic, religious or racial group. The case does not have to wait until actual killing. Incitement is a crime in itself.
    The author even gets the stage where I place Iran wrong, saying Iran is at stage 7 (Extermination) “or even stage 8″ which is Denial.
    in fact, Genocide Watch believes Iran is at Stage 6, Preparation for Genocide, exactly the point where legal action could be taken.
    Ms. Deger’s personal attack in her Blog are why it is libelous and should be removed from the website.
    By dredging up an incident involving me in 1998, the author violates the Blog’s policy number ‘4. No personal attacks. We encourage spirited, passionate debate, but if you have to resort to vicious personal attack, you’re not advancing the discussion. Stay on the issues.’
    She doesn’t even get the facts right. She bases her attack on a news article when I was arrested, not after the judge had considered the case. She doesn’t follow the case to its conclusion, in which the chief State Department psychiatrist testified that I had been incorrectly prescribed a triple dose of a powerful medication by a State Department psychiatrist — the cause of this unique episode. I did not drive a man through a plate glass window. I was also never “fired” by the State Department. In fact, when the State Department tried to do so after the incident, I appealed to the Foreign Service Review Board and they ordered me re-instated. The real reason the State Department finally did not grant me tenure was my opposition to US policy during the Rwandan genocide, and continuing insistence on investigating reports of atrocities carried out by Rwandan forces in the Congo in the ensuing US supported Rwandan invasion of the Congo, which I also strongly opposed. I am a life-long opponent of war, which I think is the worst of all policies, except in direct self-defense or to destroy the Air Force of a genocidal dictator like Omar al-Bashir.

    The author’s personal attacks reveal the depths to which she will go to discredit my message: that genocide is predictable, that incitement is one of the best predictors of its planning, and that Iran is engaging in such incitement against Israel right now.
    Those who choose to ignore or deny this are like the European Jews who would not believe that Hitler would actually do what he openly said he would do from Mein Kampf until the Holocaust.

    • eljay
      September 22, 2012, 4:37 pm

      >> … my message: that genocide is predictable, that incitement is one of the best predictors of its planning …

      Mr. Stanton, Israel routinely incites its citizens and the Western world against the Palestinians, a people whose lands it has occupied and whose lives it has oppressed for 60+ years. Do you agree, then, that Israel is planning genocide? If not, why not?

      Thank you.

      • GHStanton
        September 22, 2012, 6:37 pm

        No, I do not. No Israeli leader has called for the destruction of the Palestinian people. There has been no incitement to commit genocide against Palestinians by Israeli leaders. Your initial premise that there has been is false.\
        You may argue with justification that Israel is violating international law by building settlements in occupied territory, and that it has discriminated against Palestinians. But no Israeli official to my knowledge has ever advocated genocide against the Palestinian people.

      • Sumud
        September 23, 2012, 8:48 am

        Oh, you’re *that* Gregory Stanton.

        Really shameful that you refuse to see the path that Israel is on vis a vis Palestinians.

      • eljay
        September 23, 2012, 9:08 am

        >> There has been no incitement to commit genocide against Palestinians by Israeli leaders.

        Interesting. According to your framework, incitement is not restricted to national leaders:
        >> 3. DEHUMANIZATION: One group denies the humanity of the other group. …

        When it comes to Israel, it appears you’ve already arrived at Stage 8: Denial.

      • libra
        September 23, 2012, 9:27 am

        GHStanton: No, I do not. No Israeli leader has called for the destruction of the Palestinian people. There has been no incitement to commit genocide against Palestinians by Israeli leaders. Your initial premise that there has been is false.

        “By “genocide” we mean the destruction of a nation or of an ethnic group…. Generally speaking, genocide does not necessarily mean the immediate destruction of a nation, except when accomplished by mass killings of all members of a nation. It is intended rather to signify a coordinated plan of different actions aiming at the destruction of essential foundations of the life of national groups, with the aim of annihilating the groups themselves. The objectives of such a plan would be disintegration of the political and social institutions, of culture, language, national feelings, religion, and the economic existence of national groups, and the destruction of the personal security, liberty, health, dignity, and even the lives of the individuals belonging to such groups.”

        Your words not mine, Dr. Stanton. It is precisely this broader definition that concerns many of us here at Mondoweiss as we see the Israeli / Palestinian conflict in the West Bank and Gaza drag on without any apparent resolution.

        In your rhetoric here you seem to be claiming words speak louder than actions. But to be fair to you, I don’t see this bias in your The 8 Stages of Genocide document which seems to offer a much more balanced, objective set of criteria.

        To regain an objective and balanced view on the issue of possible genocide in the Middle East, perhaps you could assess Israel’s actions (and it’s leaders statements) against your own 8 stages for us. I’m sure Phil Weiss would be willing to post such an assessment from a respected academic.

        I certainly hope you will do this because when it comes to ethnic cleansing and genocide doesn’t silence sometimes speak loudest of all?

      • traintosiberia
        September 23, 2012, 10:46 am

        Professor Stanton
        There is nothing to destroy .It is already destroyed . Now mop it up and expel and tell the world that there is no destruction of people.
        Do you get it?
        “The land without people for the people without land “with that creed and canard those thugs descended on Palestine and went to systemitically expel the Arabs from Palestine?
        Oh!! they were not destroyed . Apparently that is not genocide.! So it is less of a crime! that’s why Israel should not be punished .Since this is not that grave a crime Israel should be allowed to continue and Israel should never be sanctioned,divested or attacked by UN led mission, never!! Mr professor when did it become acceptable that killing someone without any reason will bring death penalty or life imprisonment but kidnapping and torturing or starving wont invite any penalty?
        That is the precursor to Genocide .Hitler wanted Jewish people and Gypsy just go somewhere. Israel wants its original inhabitant go somewhere or die a slow death with humiliation and pain.
        BTW Israel “we could destroy parts of Lebanon and Gaza”
        I see it is Part ! The word “Part”of Lebanon or Gaza .Not the whole.!!

        Professor if the world identified and stopped those thugs like Ben Guiron and Herzl and Weizman when they said one thing and meant another word to their gentile friends and foes ( to them they were same and easily interchangeable between righteous gentile and antisemitic at the accidental drop of a dime minted by Zionist )would have been a lot better place.

      • seanmcbride
        September 23, 2012, 11:05 am

        GHStanton wrote:

        No Israeli leader has called for the destruction of the Palestinian people. There has been no incitement to commit genocide against Palestinians by Israeli leaders.

        According to many informed observers, the Israeli government has been committing slow-motion ethnic cleansing and genocide against Palestinians for decades now. Have you made a serious effort to understand their arguments?

      • lyn117
        September 23, 2012, 6:08 pm

        @GHStanton, are you deliberately ignoring all the statements by rabbinical leaders among Gush Emunim & ilk likening Palestinians to the Amalekites, whom the bible commands to exterminate, and the official Israeli state support for them?

      • ritzl
        September 23, 2012, 7:56 pm

        @GHS So what’s the distinction in your mind between public advocacy and demonstrable policies and practices?

        If someone doesn’t actually say it, but simply does it, that doesn’t qualify as, in your terms, a “call” and therefore simply irrelevant? What intellectual garbage.

        The Palestinian population in Area C, particularly in the Jordan Valley, is about 30% of what it was 20 years ago. They’re (they being the silent callers for ethnic cleansing) are doing it without the public advocacy.

        I have to give you credit for responding, but, you know, honesty and/or consistency goes a long way toward understanding, at least in these parts.

      • GHStanton
        September 29, 2012, 10:52 am

        Genocide Watch does not deny that Israel and Palestine are polarized, and that some Palestinians are in the preparation stage for genocide against Israel. Some Israeli fanatics would like to see genocide against Arabs and Palestinians, but we reject the charge that Israel intends to commit genocide against Palestinians.
        Here is the Eight Stages of Genocide paper we use to evaluate the evidence:

        The 8 Stages of Genocide
        By Dr. Gregory H. Stanton

        Genocide is a process that develops in eight stages that are predictable but not inexorable. At each stage, preventive measures can stop it. It is not a linear process, but the stages are in logical order. The later stages must be preceded by the earlier stages, though earlier stages continue to operate throughout the process. The eight stages of genocide are:
        Classification, Symbolization, Dehumanization, Organization, Polarization, Preparation, Extermination, Denial.
        CLASSIFICATION: All cultures have categories to distinguish people into “us and them” by ethnicity, race, religion, or nationality: German and Jew, Hutu and Tutsi. Bipolar societies that lack mixed categories, such as Rwanda and Burundi, are the most likely to have genocide. The main preventive measure at this early stage is to develop universalistic institutions that transcend ethnic or racial divisions, that actively promote tolerance and understanding, and that promote classifications that transcend the divisions. The Catholic church could have played this role in Rwanda, had it not been riven by the same ethnic cleavages as Rwandan society. Promotion of a common language in countries like Tanzania has also promoted transcendent national identity. This search for common ground is vital to early prevention of genocide.
        SYMBOLIZATION: We give names or other symbols to the classifications. We name people “Jews” or “Gypsies”, or distinguish them by colors or dress; and apply them to members of groups. Classification and symbolization are universally human and do not necessarily result in genocide unless they lead to the next stage, dehumanization. When combined with hatred, symbols may be forced upon unwilling members of pariah groups: the yellow star for Jews under Nazi rule, the blue scarf for people from the Eastern Zone in Khmer Rouge Cambodia. To combat symbolization, hate symbols can be legally forbidden (swastikas) as can hate speech. Group marking like gang clothing or tribal scarring can be outlawed, as well. The problem is that legal limitations will fail if unsupported by popular cultural enforcement. Though Hutu and Tutsi were forbidden words in Burundi until the 1980’s, code-words replaced them. If widely supported, however, denial of symbolization can be powerful, as it was in Bulgaria, when many Bulgarians refused to distribute the yellow star, depriving it of its significance as a Nazi symbol for Jews.
        DEHUMANIZATION: One group denies the humanity of the other group. Members of it are equated with animals, vermin, insects or diseases. Dehumanization overcomes the normal human revulsion against murder. At this stage, hate propaganda in print and on hate radios is used to vilify the victim group. In combating this dehumanization, incitement to genocide should not be confused with protected speech. Genocidal societies lack constitutional protection for countervailing speech, and should be treated differently than in democracies. Hate radio stations should be shut down, and hate propaganda banned. Hate crimes and atrocities should be promptly punished.
        ORGANIZATION: Genocide is always organized, usually by the state, though sometimes informally (Hindu mobs led by local RSS militants) or by terrorist groups. Special army units or militias are often trained and armed. Plans are made for genocidal killings. To combat this stage, membership in these militias should be outlawed. Their leaders should be denied visas for foreign travel. The U.N. should impose arms embargoes on governments and citizens of countries involved in genocidal massacres, and create commissions to investigate violations, as was done in post-genocide Rwanda.
        POLARIZATION: Extremists drive the groups apart. Hate groups broadcast polarizing propaganda. Laws may forbid intermarriage or social interaction. Extremist terrorism targets moderates, intimidating and silencing the center. Prevention may mean security protection for moderate leaders or assistance to human rights groups. Assets of extremists may be seized, and visas for international travel denied to them. Coups d’état by extremists should be opposed by international sanctions.
        PREPARATION: Victims are identified and separated out because of their ethnic or religious identity. Death lists are drawn up. Members of victim groups are forced to wear identifying symbols. They are often segregated into ghettoes, forced into concentration camps, or confined to a famine-struck region and starved. At this stage, a Genocide Alert must be called. If the political will of the U.S. Government, NATO, and the U.N. Security Council can be mobilized, armed international intervention should be prepared, or heavy assistance to the victim group in preparing for its self-defense. Otherwise, at least humanitarian assistance should be organized by the U.N. and private relief groups for the inevitable tide of refugees to come.
        EXTERMINATION begins, and quickly becomes the mass killing legally called “genocide.” It is “extermination” to the killers because they do not believe their victims to be fully human. When it is sponsored by the state, the armed forces often work with militias to do the killing. Sometimes the genocide results in revenge killings by groups against each other, creating the downward whirlpool-like cycle of bilateral genocide (as in Burundi). At this stage, only rapid and overwhelming armed intervention can stop genocide. Real safe areas or refugee escape corridors should be established with heavily armed international protection. (Insecure “safe” areas are worse than none at all.) A multilateral force authorized by the U.N., should intervene. It is time to recognize that the international law of humanitarian intervention transcends the narrow interests of individual nation states. If NATO nations will not send troops, they should provide the airlift, equipment, and financial means necessary for regional states to intervene with U.N. authorization.
        DENIAL is the eighth stage that always follows a genocide. It is among the surest indicators of further genocidal massacres. The perpetrators of genocide dig up the mass graves, burn the bodies, try to cover up the evidence and intimidate the witnesses. They deny that they committed any crimes, and often blame what happened on the victims. They block investigations of the crimes, and continue to govern until driven from power by force, when they flee into exile. There they remain with impunity, like Pol Pot or Idi Amin, unless they are captured and a tribunal is established to try them. The response to denial is punishment by an international tribunal or national courts. There the evidence can be heard, and the perpetrators punished. Tribunals like the Yugoslav or Rwanda Tribunals, or a mixed domestic /international tribunal to try the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, or an International Criminal Court may not deter the worst genocidal killers. But with the political will to arrest and prosecute them, some may be brought to justice.

    • Hostage
      September 23, 2012, 1:57 am

      Instead what I advocated is a new approach to deterring genocide: getting a country that is a State-Party to the Genocide Convention such as Canada to bring a dispute with Iran to the International Court of Justice in the Hague for violation of the Genocide Convention’s Article 3b, which makes it a crime to directly and publicly incite genocide against another national, ethnic, religious or racial group.

      That’s certainly a very commendable goal. Prof. John Dugard and an international fact finding committee suggested that the members of the League of Arab States should request a similar finding against Israel from the ICJ for failing to take appropriate action to prevent cases of direct and public incitement (see below). But one drawback to the approach would be the lack of ICJ jurisdiction in cases involving non-state actors, like Hamas, unless they happen to be sponsored by a State party to the Genocide Convention.

      One of the members of the Genocide Watch Board of Advisors, Prof. William Schabas, wrote an article on this issue recently. He noted that the example of statements by Iranian officials had been employed by politicians as part of a demagogic appeal aimed at obtaining votes from Americans. link to humanrightsdoctorate.blogspot.com

      He doesn’t think there is credible evidence (yet) of direct and public incitement to commit genocide on the part of the Iranians. Producing prima facie evidence of unpunished acts of incitement would be an indispensable preliminary to any request from one of the other State parties for the International Court of Justice to find that Iran has failed to discharge the responsibility of a State for any of the acts enumerated in article III of the Genocide Convention.

      I think eljay is correct to point out that Israel and other countries have failed to fulfill their State responsibilities in instances where their own citizens have directed threats against Palestinian nationals or the non-Jewish population of Israel through remarks that constitute direct and public incitement to commit genocide. Genocide Watch does list those groups as a population at risk. But these indicators are amenable to your new approach to combating genocide:
      *No Safe Place – The Report of the Arab League’s Independent Fact Finding Committee Following “Operation Cast Lead” noted that some individual IDF soldiers may have had the mens rea and actus reus of crimes of genocide and might therefore be prosecuted for this crime. That finding was based on the brutality of some of the killing and reliable public reports that some soldiers had acted under the influence of rabbis who had encouraged them to believe that the Holy Land should be cleansed of non-Jews. The mission suggested that a ruling be obtained from the ICJ against Israel under section 9 of the Genocide Convention (page 148)
      link to Arab League of Arab States report
      *Stories circulated in the wake of Operation Cast Lead that an IDF officer handed out booklets to troops during Israel’s military incursion in the Gaza Strip urging soldiers to show no mercy to their enemies. The IDF merely reprimanded the officer. Several months later the IDF did nothing at all when its Chief Rabbi engaged in the same form of incitement saying: Troops who show mercy to the enemy will be ‘damned’ –
      #link to haaretz.com
      #link to haaretz.com
      *Former Sephardi chief rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu ruled that there was absolutely no moral prohibition against the indiscriminate killing of civilians during a potential massive military offensive on Gaza. Eliyahu delivered the ruling in a letter to Prime Minister Ehud Olmert published in Olam Katan, a weekly pamphlet distributed in synagogues nationwide. He called for carpet bombing and cited the biblical story of the Shechem massacre (Genesis 34) and Maimonides’ commentary (Laws of Kings 9, 14) on the story as proof texts for his legal decision. Eliyahu wrote that according to Jewish war ethics an entire city holds collective responsibility and said the entire populace of Gaza is responsible. The former chief rabbi also said it was forbidden to risk the lives of IDF soldiers for fear of injuring or killing Palestinian noncombatants living in Gaza. link to jpost.com
      *Rabbis Yitzhak Shapira, Yosef Elitzur of the West Bank settlement of Yitzhar and Rabbi Dov Lior have written that “The prohibition ‘Thou Shalt Not Murder’” applies only “to a Jew who kills a Jew.” and that Non-Jews are “uncompassionate by nature” and attacks on them “curb their evil inclination,” while babies and children of Israel’s enemies may be killed since “it is clear that they will grow to harm us.” The State Rabbinate has refused to comment and Knesset members from Likud, Shas, United Torah Judaism and National Union have introduced bills which seek to absolve rabbis of criminal responsibility, and make them immune to legal action in such cases.
      link to ynetnews.com
      link to forward.com
      *Moment Magazine quoted Chabad Rabbi Manis Friedman as saying: “I don’t believe in western morality, i.e. don’t kill civilians or children, don’t destroy holy sites, don’t fight during holiday seasons, don’t bomb cemeteries, don’t shoot until they shoot first because it is immoral. The only way to fight a moral war is the Jewish way: Destroy their holy sites. Kill men, women and children and cattle. link to haaretz.com

      Those who choose to ignore or deny this are like the European Jews who would not believe that Hitler would actually do what he openly said he would do from Mein Kampf until the Holocaust.

      Fair enough. The infamous Boxheim documents revealed plans to intern Jews and starve them out. link to archive.jta.org

      There is abundant evidence that Israeli officials and their supporters view starvation; denial of the right to adequate supplies of food and water and to be free from hunger as acceptable methods of warfare and population control aimed at reducing the number of births in the Palestinian population of Israel or the occupied territories.
      *In their written submissions to the ICJ in the Wall Case, Palestine and other interested States alleged that Israel had deliberately committed illegal acts against the Palestinian people, including “the deliberate imposition on a group of living conditions calculated to cause its physical destruction in whole or in part”. See page 9 link to icj-cij.org
      *The Court’s findings of fact in the Wall case included reports that Israel had deliberately cut-off populations from their sources of sustenance and denied them the right to adequate supplies of food and water (paragraphs 132-134). link to icj-cij.org
      *The ICRC and UN treaty monitoring bodies have declared that the Gaza blockade is an illegal form of collective punishment. There have been reliable reports, including one from The Lancet, which illustrate that one direct result of the blockade is that a statistically significant proportion of the population exhibited signs of malnutrition, including stunted growth of children; permanent developmental disabilities; and shortened life expectancy. See:
      Gaza’s Stunted Growth Problem link to topics.blogs.nytimes.com
      ICRC – Gaza closure: not another year! link to icrc.org
      *Many public figures have made comments in support of the illegal Israeli sanctions on the basis of a perceived need to end “pro-natal subsidies” to Palestinians that result in either an undesirable Arab “fifth column” in Israel or a “surplus of angry young men” in the occupied territories. See
      Smear intifada link to martinkramer.org
      The same figures don’t seem to mind pro-natal subsidies paid to many Jewish families, just those paid to Arab ones. See Israel’s Arabs, Living a Paradox link to danielpipes.org

    • lyn117
      September 23, 2012, 3:34 am

      @GHStanton
      How is locking up all the Palestinians in Gaza, and in their tiny enclaves in the West Bank, not a preparation for genocide, again? How is putting in place bureaucratic impediments to getting sufficient water and killing people who attempt to break out of their jail (say to fish) or people who try to bring moral and medical support (e.g. the Mavi Marmara) not a preparation for genocide? How is the constant labeling of Palestinians as “terrorists,” rabbis declaring on the authority of religion that Palestinians are not human, and that their children may be killed because they may grow up to be enemies not an encitement? How is it that the Israeli concern that allowing too many Palestinians to be born, or any to return to their place of origin (the place of origin of most inhabitants of Gaza is actually Israel – they’re refugees) presents a threat to the Jewish nature of the state of Israel, is not an encitement?

      Ahmadinejad held a holocaust denier’s conference, it’s true. Perhaps you didn’t notice that he held it not long after the big controversy over the Danish magazine’s contest for best cartoon of Muhammed. We (the west) tweaked Islam’s most sacred icon in the most outrageous manner, he tweaked one of ours in return. And he later said that if the holocaust happened it was the most horrible event, putting him in the class of holocaust doubters, not deniers. I don’t really want to defend the regime, I think it’s horrible and Ahmadinejad is an ass. If you’d made a case regarding what Iran’s doing to the Baha’i you’d have one, but you completely ignored them to make a case for war on Iran. Iran isn’t separating out Jews the way Israel is separating out Palestinians, it’s not denying them water or means to live, it’s not attempting to limit their demographic growth.

      You, however, seem to be at stage 8, denial, when it comes to Israel’s genocidal intent. Ahmadinejad is right about one thing, Israel is a cancer, a little colonial project driving out or killing the native people of it’s land.

    • Donald
      September 23, 2012, 8:16 am

      “The real reason the State Department finally did not grant me tenure was my opposition to US policy during the Rwandan genocide, and continuing insistence on investigating reports of atrocities carried out by Rwandan forces in the Congo in the ensuing US supported Rwandan invasion of the Congo, which I also strongly opposed.”

      This is admirable. And maybe you are right about the charge that Iranian officials are guilty of incitement to genocide.

      “You may argue with justification that Israel is violating international law by building settlements in occupied territory, and that it has discriminated against Palestinians. But no Israeli official to my knowledge has ever advocated genocide against the Palestinian people.”

      Hostage below is right. It is impossible to believe that someone in your position could be unaware of the evidence he gives that Israel is guilty of indiscriminate attacks on civilian populations, or that members of the IDF have apparently been influenced by incitement by fanatical rabbis.

      • seanmcbride
        September 23, 2012, 10:40 am

        I’ve read all of Stanton’s and Hostage’s remarks in this thread, and from my perspective Hostage has overwhelmingly won the debate.

        Iran’s argument is with a *regime*, not a people, in the same way that the United States had an argument with Nazi Germany (not the German people) and the Soviet Union (not the Russian people).

        And I have seen no sign that Stanton has applied his analytical tools to the torrent of anti-Arab and anti-Muslim hate speech — much of it genocidal in tone and intent — that has been flowing from pro-Israel propagandists and propaganda outlets. Hostage cited some of that material — there is much more of it out there. (Start with Pamela Geller and her ideological network.)

        Does Stanton bring any particular cultural biases to Mideast politics that lead him to exaggerate some hate speech while completely ignoring other hate speech? I don’t know — I am asking.

        If Zionists had attempted to create a Jewish state on American territory by force and terrorism, Americans would have violently opposed the enterprise. Their opposition to Zionism would not have indicated an intent to commit genocide against Jews in general — they would have simply been protecting their space against an unwelcome foreign invasion and alien ideology.

    • traintosiberia
      September 23, 2012, 12:16 pm

      “I am completely opposed to Israel going to war with Iran, and said so at the lecture.
      Instead what I advocated is a new approach to deterring genocide: getting a country that is a State-Party to the Genocide Convention such as Canada to bring a dispute with Iran to the International Court of Justice in the Hague for violation of the Genocide Convention’s Article 3b, which makes it a crime to directly and publicly incite genocide against another national, ethnic, religious or racial group. The case does not have to wait until actual killing. Incitement is a crime in itself.”

      That same argument put forward by Israeli firsters about issuing demands and passing laws against to Iraq so that US does not have to go war against Iraq in 1990 and as soon as soon the warnings were issued and bill was passed the same people demanded that we should go to war otherwise our standing would suffer and we would be perceived as weak and Iraq would keep on marching like Hitler [ He always come so handy.
      The idea of incitement comes so handy also . Easily provable when ADL sits down with Google and spells it out and the next thing you know the video and Facebook postings are removed. ]
      Now the author has already implied that there is an incitement going on [ like Iranian nukes activities .it is sure ,certain,and running.Iran has to prove it has no intention or knowledge of any nuclear designs or science or has no activity.Now Iran has to prove it has no intention to incitement and prove what it is doing is not incitement.].
      Iran is now in the cross hair .So the next move from Prof , will be “what we are waiting for? If we don’t do something our prestige and power and legitimacy will suffer”
      BTW Mr Prof is anybody using your language asking for similar treatment for Israel from any US university?
      Oops ! They have been purged and shown the door long ago after being identified as 5th columns by Liberman and Co in Campus Watch. See what war based on lies can achieve .It promotes next war under same tried duplicity.

    • Annie Robbins
      September 23, 2012, 2:14 pm

      Ms. Deger’s personal attack in her Blog are why it is libelous and should be removed from the website.
      By dredging up an incident involving me in 1998, the author violates the Blog’s policy number ’4. No personal attacks.

      mr stanton, these are the days of the internet where ones past actions are readily available sans all that ‘dredging’ from yonder days. merely introducing part of your history is not, by itself, a personal attack. we provide news here and unless there is some untruth, it’s not libelous. it was the Free Lance-Star who reported you “fled to Amsterdam on his diplomatic passport”, allison just mentioned abuses of Foreign Service privileges to evade prosecution. if that is incorrect, perhaps that can be remedied. she didn’t even mention the other things written in the Free Lance-Star which some people might think were even more damning. so, either you used your diplomatic privileges to flee the country while the cops were looking for you, or you didn’t. that’s not personal, that’s a professional choice. one you yourself called “an aberration in my life”(according to the Free Lance-Star).

      again, when you use your diplomatic privileges to flee the country after a crime has been committed (or allegations of a crime under investigation), that becomes a professional liability, not personal.

      I did not drive a man through a plate glass window

      and allison never reported you did. it was the Free Lance-Star who reported you drove your car “at the man, knocking him through the plate glass front of a restaurant”, presumably they got their info from a police report or witnesses at the time. and no where in the news report does it say you intentionally drove your car at the man or intentionally knocked him through the plate glass front of a restaurant. it just said that was the result of your actions. so either you did, or you didn’t. possibly it just appeared you were intentionally choosing to drive your car at the man, knocking him through the plate glass front of a restaurant. either way, allison..pro that she is wrote allegedly rammed his car into a Virginia video rental store owner after becoming incensed over a $4.50 late fee.

      that’s not personal. i mean it may have seemed personal to you in the drug induced state you were in (thru no fault of your own, of course) and it probably felt personal to the victim (assuming there was one) but reporting it isn’t personal.

      I was also never “fired” by the State Department.

      then you should take that up with the times of israel, because they recently reported it:

      [I]n the late nineties, he was fired from the State Department. His supervisor, frustrated with his efforts to document what he called ‘the appalling cowardice’ of the Department in April 1994 — when it voted to withdraw all UNAMIR peacekeepers in Rwanda in the face of a mounting genocide — wrote the type of evaluation that she knew would eventually terminate his career. ‘Greg apparently does not understand that the State Department is a hierarchical organization,’ he quoted, with obvious pleasure, during the lecture.

      so, was the times of israel lying? here’s what allison wrote: A year after the assault charges, Stanton was fired by the State Department for unrelated cause. so who’s telling the truth? allison and the times of israel…or you? or perhaps, since the times of israel was highlighting you gloating over the way you departed (is it ok to say departed) the times of israel gets a pass on calling it a firing?

      Those who choose to ignore or deny this are like the European Jews who would not believe that Hitler would actually do what he openly said he would do from Mein Kampf until the Holocaust.

      mr stanton, i wouldn’t concern myself so much with what ms deger has written that may damage your reputation. i’d worry more about your own words. hitler and nazi comparisons will damage your reputation in the reality based community.

      • GHStanton
        September 29, 2012, 10:25 am

        Deger’s libel is called “false light” libel in the law of defamation. If this blog had any integrity at all (which it does not) it would take down this libel, which was disproved in court.

  13. GHStanton
    September 22, 2012, 5:33 pm

    That’s exactly what Jews in Europe used as an excuse for their denial before the Holocaust began. “They aren’t killing us. They are just discriminating against us. So they won’t kill us.” We now know how wrong they were.

    • eljay
      September 22, 2012, 6:18 pm

      >> That’s exactly what Jews in Europe used as an excuse for their denial before the Holocaust began. “They aren’t killing us. They are just discriminating against us. So they won’t kill us.” We now know how wrong they were.

      Mr. Stanton, Israel routinely discriminates against Palestinians, both within Israel proper and within the territories Israel illegally occupies. Do you agree, then, that Israel is planning genocide? If ‘not’, what excuse are you using to justify your denial?

      Thank you.

    • traintosiberia
      September 23, 2012, 10:49 am

      This is Israeli argument.We don’t buy. World does not buy for there are plenty of reasons world does not buy . Israel lied about 1956 war,1967 war,1982 war 1996 war and 2006 war and 2009 . It may sound antisemitic but we just don’t buy the lies that come out of Israel and its 5th columns here in West.

    • American
      September 23, 2012, 3:01 pm

      GHStanton says:

      That’s exactly what Jews in Europe used as an excuse for their denial before the Holocaust began. “They aren’t killing us. They are just discriminating against us. So they won’t kill us.” We now know how wrong they were.””>>>>>>

      You are making an idiot of yourself by jumping on the zionist ‘the Jews are going to be holocausted again’ bandwagon.
      Particulary here where we are in possession of the facts.

      And it is precisely because no one could imagine the madness of Hitler expelling and exterminating millions of Jews and other undesirables –that we can today imagine the Israelis genociding in some way the undesirable Palestines for the same reasons.
      Dont know what your personal motivation is for joining this zionist holocaust fear campaign, don’t care. You are all pimples on truth and justice.
      The fact is it is the Palestines and others that are threatened today by zionist, not the Jews.
      Any threats that exist to Israeli Jews is entirely one of Israel’s making over a 65 year period and for which they are responsible…….they could stop it at any time. So far they have chosen not to.

    • Mooser
      October 16, 2012, 2:25 pm

      “That’s exactly what Jews in Europe used as an excuse for their denial before the Holocaust began.”

      “Used as an excuse”? An “excuse” for what exactly? To stay in Europe, and eventually be victims of the Holocaust? For that they needed an “excuse”?
      Say, I don’t like to pry, GHStaunton, but do you often personalise things in that very self-serving way? I mean, I’d just like to know…. Anyway, if you can squeeze grist for your mill out of the Holocaust, more power to ya’. I would have thought there wasn’t much left.

  14. ColinWright
    September 22, 2012, 5:46 pm

    GHStanton says: “The author’s personal attacks reveal the depths to which she will go to discredit my message: that genocide is predictable, that incitement is one of the best predictors of its planning, and that Iran is engaging in such incitement against Israel right now.”

    As far as I know, some figures in Iran have stated that ‘Israel should be wiped out’ — not that ‘Jews should be wiped out.’

    How is the former ‘an incitement to genocide?’ Would it have been incitement to genocide if I had stated that ‘the Third Reich should be wiped out’? That this is the appropriate interpretation is lent additional weight by the fact that Iran still has a Jewish population — and while they may well be objects of suspicion, I’ve yet to see any evidence that Iran has any genocidal intentions concerning the Jews who are in fact at her mercy.

    I think that in context, professing concern about Iran’s genocidal-threats-that-aren’t-genocidal-threats is egregiously hypocritical. Even if Iran had any genocidal intentions towards the inhabitants of Israel, she has no hope of carrying them out. The focus on Iran presents the spectacle of a nation that has no ability to carry out genocide and only very problematically has the desire to do so being singled out when there is at least one other state that clearly has both the ability and the desire to commit genocide and is ignored completely.

    • GHStanton
      September 22, 2012, 7:00 pm

      Well, Mr. Wright, you just don’t know your facts. To quote Senator Daniel Moynihan, you are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to make up your facts. Leaders of the Iranian regime have called for the destruction of both Israel and Jews since 1979 on numerous occasions.

      Intentional destruction, in whole or in part, of a national group is genocide, a crime under the Genocide Convention. Direct and public incitement to commit genocide is a crime in itself. For an example of such incitement see the recent statements by President Ahmedinijad reported by Reuters on Friday, August 17, 2012:

      (Reuters) – Many thousands of Iranians shouted “Death to America, death to Israel” during state-organized protests on Friday and President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad told them there was no place for the Jewish state in a future Middle East….
      “You want a new Middle East? We do too, but in the new Middle East … there will be no trace of the American presence and the Zionists,” Ahmadinejad told worshippers at Tehran University in an event broadcast live on state television.
      “Saving the existence of the Zionist regime (Israel) is a joint commitment by most
      arrogant Western governments,” Ahmadinejad said in a speech to mark the annual AlQuds (Jerusalem) Day decreed by Khomeini and held on the last Friday of the Muslim holy fasting month of Ramadan.
      He called for Muslim unity to foil Western support for Israel, which he described as a “cancerous tumor” for its occupation of Palestinian land.

      For Iranian leaders’ statements against Jews since 1979, I refer you to reports compiled by members of the International Alliance to End Genocide, such as link to genocidepreventionnow.org. Statements by Iran’s leaders have not only called for the destruction of Israel, but have used every anti-Jewish slur that was used in Mein Kampf and by the Third Reich.

      For my own views on the danger of this Iranian incitement, I recommend that you read an article I have published on the Genocide Watch website that explains my position and that of many other genocide scholars: link to genocidewatch.org.

      • Hostage
        September 23, 2012, 6:50 am

        Intentional destruction, in whole or in part, of a national group is genocide, a crime under the Genocide Convention. . . . For an example of such incitement see the recent statements by President Ahmedinijad reported by Reuters on Friday, August 17, 2012:

        That report doesn’t contain a single example of incitement to commit genocide against any people. I’ve provided examples of reports about Israeli religious and political officials who actually did discuss making indiscriminate attacks against civilian populations; officials who did destroy vital civilian sources of sustenance and infrastructure; and findings from the ICJ and fact finding mission reports which say that the Israeli government and the IDF have deliberately imposed conditions of life that are intended to physically destroy segments of the Palestinian population by denying them their own sources of sustenance while interfering with the provision of adequate food, water, and shelter from international sources.

        There’s just no way for someone in your position to claim they’re unaware of all that evidence of persecution and incitement committed by Israeli officials against Palestinians.

      • GHStanton
        September 29, 2012, 10:29 am

        Mr. Wright is wrong again. This blog is nothing but an anti-Israeli propaganda site.
        Here are some of the quotes listed on the Genocide Watch Now website:

        More Mein Kampf: A Chronology of Statements of Incitement and Hate Language by Ahmadinejad and other Iranian Leaders
        World Genocide Situation Room (WGSR) of Genocide Prevention Now (GPN)
        http://www.genocidepreventionnow.org
        and
        Hebrew University-Hadassah Genocide Prevention Program
        Prepared by:
        Yael Stein MD, Tamar Pileggi, Alex Barnea MA For further information, contact Dr. Yael Stein: [email protected]
        Reviewed by: Professor Elihu D Richter and Professor Israel W Charny
        Source: Genocide Prevention Now World Genocide Situation Room (GPN WGSR) of the Institute on the Holocaust and Genocide, Jerusalem, and Genocide Prevention Program of the Hebrew University-Hadassah School of Public Health and Community Medicine. It is pre-released with the permission of Genocide Prevention Now website. An online version of this document will soon be posted on the Genocide Prevention Now website: http://www.genocidepreventionnow.org
        GPN is on TWITTER: GPNNOW 1
        
        More Mein Kampf: An updated timeline of Iranian incitement to genocide
        In GPN 1, we published a time line of statements of hate language and incitement (HL&I) by President Ahmadinejad, his predecessors, associates and other major figures of the Iranian ruling leadership. In this issue, we update this timeline, but now assess each statement in terms of what types of HL and I it represents. Perpetrators use hate language to incite groups to commit genocide and other mass atrocities directed against vulnerable populations. Equally important, perpetrators use HL&I to silence, intimidate and desensitize bystanders and to signal intent
        This timeline shows that the leaders of the Iranian regime are continuing their genocidal incitement, as they continue to suppress human rights of their own people with ever increasing brutality, move towards nuclear capacity, support terror surrogates, and engage in terror themselves. The Islamic Regime’s motifs recycle those in Hitler’s Mein Mampf, and echo those in traditional Shiite texts. Our past work has shown that this incitement goes back to 1979-80, or thirty years, a period some two and a half times longer than that of the 12 year life span of the Nazi regime.
        Hate language refers to terms which are used to dehumanize demonize, stigmatize, delegitimize, or slander groups defined by their national, ethnic, religious, racial, or political identity. Dehumanization refers to hate language which includes terms and metaphors-usually of epidemic disease, cancer, or physical decay from public health and medicine– which induce disgust, revulsion, fear and hate for the other. Demonization usually invokes motifs overpowering danger and threat abd evil intent. Delegitimization refers to terms and motifs which deny the identity and political, national, ethnic or religious status of a group, and denigrate its status. Double standards are used to judge a group by norms not applied to all other groups, so as to cast the group or members of the group in an unfavorable light. Disinformation pertains to the spreading of misinformation with the aim of demonization or delegitimizing a group. Denial of past genocides –e.g. denial of the Armenian genocide, the Holocaust, or the Rwandan genocide, is used to lay the groundwork for future genocides. There are other forms of hate language, such as the use of euphemisms, and mirroring, as well.
        Standard definitions of incitement refer to something that incites or provokes; a means of arousing or stirring to action. Incitement to action can be cast in the form of threats, or threats phrased as predictions and prophecies, or praising persons who have carried out acts of genocide or genocidal terror, or elevating them to hero status.
        In this timeline we indicate whether each statement individually includes one or more of the foregoing six D’s: dehumanization, demonization, delegitimization, double standards, disinformation or denial of the Holocaust, or plain incitement.
        Yael Stein MD and Elihu D Richter MD MPH
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        Date
        Person
        Comment
        Types of hate language
        Source
        October 2, 2000
        Ali Khamenei
        “In principle, Israel has a plundering character. Real peace can only be implemented if no side has imperialistic desires and only the real owners of Palestine will rule it, Jews, Moslems or Christians. The recent events have proven that this regime (Israel) conquered the territories by a campaign of murders…. A regime based on force might last a certain period, but it will fail in the end…
        the Palestinians struggle and the Moslems’ support for them will bring us to good results and will eliminate the enemy.”
        Demonization Deligitimization Disinformation Incitement
        http://www.terrorism- info.org.il/malam_multim edia/html/final/eng/bu/ira n/shihab_11_03.htm Source: Radio Tehran
        October 22, 2000
        Ali Khamenei
        “The countdown for the Zionist regime has begun.”
        Delegitimization Incitement
        http://www.terrorism- info.org.il/malam_multim edia/html/final/eng/bu/ira n/shihab_11_03.htm Source: Khabar TV
        October 24, 2000
        Mohammad Khatami
        “In the Koran God commanded to kill the wicked and those who do not see the rights of the oppressed and murder them, and today we must all hear the sound of the cries of our oppressed brethren in Palestine and mobilize to protect them… refraining from making an effort to save the Palestinian people will be a mark on the foreheads of those who not only did not make an effort, but even helped and help the enemies of Islam.
        If we abide by real legal laws, we should mobilize the whole Islamic World for a sharp confrontation with the Zionist regime… if we abide by the Koran, all of us should mobilize to kill.”
        Delegitimization
        Incitement as religious command
        http://www.terrorism- info.org.il/malam_multim edia/html/final/eng/bu/ira n/shihab_11_03.htm Source: Khabar TV
        November 1, 2000
        Mohammad Khatami
        “We do not recognize Israel, since its existence is based on the conquest of Palestine lands and the imposition of its policy on all the area’s inhabitants.”
        Deligitimization Disinformation
        http://www.terrorism- info.org.il/malam_multim edia/html/final/eng/bu/ira n/shihab_11_03.htm Source: ISNA
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        November 19, 2000
        Mohammad Khatami
        “The Zionist regime is an undesirable entity in the Middle East, its leaders are imperialists that adopt methods of mass massacre and are attempting to impose artificial peace by force…more than a hundred years have elapsed since the racist idea of establishing the Zionist regime was first raised, following which a violent and criminal regime was established in Palestine …”
        Demonization Delegitimization Disinformation
        http://www.terrorism- info.org.il/malam_multim edia/html/final/eng/bu/ira n/shihab_11_03.htm Source: Iranian TV in Persian
        November 22, 2000
        Mohammad Khatami
        “The Zionist regime continues its illegal existence with the support of the great powers, and it is now clear that the joint position of Iran and Syria against the Zionist regime was the correct one. The Zionist regime defies any logic.”
        Delegitimization
        http://www.terrorism- info.org.il/malam_multim edia/html/final/eng/bu/ira n/shihab_11_03.htm Source: Khabar TV
        November 23, 2000
        Ali Khamenei
        “Certainly the region will witness the day when the Zionist regime will cease to exist … the new Intifada of the Palestinian people will not stop despite all the oppressive steps … and just as many events that seemed impossible occurred, the establishment of a Palestinian State and the destruction of Israel will certainly occur.”
        Delegitimization Incitement
        http://www.terrorism- info.org.il/malam_multim edia/html/final/eng/bu/ira n/shihab_11_03.htm Source: Iranian TV
        December 14, 2000
        Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani
        “The Jews [who immigrated to Israel] should expect a ‘reverse exodus’, because one day, the tumor will be removed from the body of the Islamic World, and then millions of Jews who moved there will become homeless again.”
        “If one day, a very important day, of course, the Islamic World will also be equipped with the weapons available to Israel now, the imperialist strategy will reach an impasse, because the employment of even one atomic bomb inside Israel will wipe it off the face of the earth, but [such a bomb] would only do damage to the Islamic World”.
        “It is not unreasonable to consider this possibility… the people who have no choice but to sacrifice themselves will not be intimidated by the [Israeli] violence. After all, they have nothing to lose. How can a man lose something when he believes that by blowing himself up, one moment he is in the material world and in another moment he is in a divine heaven, borne by the wings of God’s angels. And when he comes there, he shall sit by the Prophet and God’s offspring, in a welcoming ceremony honoring the Shahids.”
        Dehumanization Incitement
        http://www.terrorism- info.org.il/malam_multim edia/html/final/eng/bu/ira n/shihab_11_03.htm Source: Khabar TV
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        December 15, 2000
        Ali Khamenei
        “Iran’s position, which was first expressed by the Imam [Khomeini] and stated several times by those responsible, is that the cancerous tumor called Israel must be uprooted from the region.”
        “The truth is that no Zionist regime at any time will be able to survive on Palestine’s soil”
        Dehumanization Incitement
        http://www.jcpa.org/text/a hmadinejad2-words.pdf http://www.terrorism- info.org.il/malam_multim edia/html/final/eng/bu/ira n/shihab_11_03.htm Source: Iranian TV
        A similar quotation in Persian is at link to kheimeh.org heimeh/index.php?po=full text&op=1&pg=1&id=45 5
        January 15, 2001
        Ali Khamenei
        ”Iran’s position, which was first expressed by the Imam [Khomeini] and stated several times by those responsible, is that the cancerous tumor called Israel must be uprooted from the region.”
        “The foundation of the Islamic regime is opposition to Israel and the perpetual subject of Iran is the elimination of Israel from the region.
        Palestine is Islamic land that was conquered by an anti-Islamic enemy, and according to Islam, one must oppose the Zionist regime. The support for the Palestinians is a religious decree.”
        Dehumanization Delegitimization Incitement
        http://www.terrorism- info.org.il/malam_multim edia/html/final/eng/bu/ira n/shihab_11_03.htm Source: Iranian TV
        http://www.campus- watch.org/article/id/5296
        January 29, 2001
        Ali Akbar Mohtashami Pur
        “The Zionist entity is a dangerous cancerous tumor in the Islamic and Arab body and by means of its tentacles, it threatens world and human peace, therefore it must be uprooted.”
        “The Moslem nations must support the Palestinian people by supplying arms and funds and fulfilling its Jihad needs …”
        Dehumanization Delegitimization Incitement
        http://www.terrorism- info.org.il/malam_multim edia/html/final/eng/bu/ira n/shihab_11_03.htm Source: Radio Tehran
        March 21, 2001
        Kamal Kharazi
        “The Lebanese people suffered a great deal from the Israeli occupation and we in Iran have stood by this people, and by the Islamic resistance in the battle for liberation of the land, and we shall also stand by its side until the full liberation and the defeat of Israel. The Iranian-Syrian-Lebanese cooperation, which led to the IDF withdrawal from south Lebanon, will also lead to the liberation of
        Incitement
        http://www.terrorism- info.org.il/malam_multim edia/html/final/eng/bu/ira n/shihab_11_03.htm Source: Al Safir
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        Palestine.”
        April 24, 2001
        Mohammad Khatami
        “One must listen to the voice of Jerusalem and stand firm vis-a-vis a policy which has turned this holy channel into its altar of racism and violence …how did the ancient co-existence between Moslems, Christians and Jews turn into an altar of racism and intolerance of Zionism … the dangerous phenomenon of Zionism is what is behind the military clashes and the current political conflicts… Zionism has turned the holy religion of Moses into a game of its Satanic desires … the Zionist establishment is based on self-glorification and on trampling on the rights of others, and the same erroneous basis has created a state which is the most despotic ever in history in its violence and brutality, in trampling on the most basic of human rights… the exploits of valor of the Intifada are a pillar of hope for the people’s faith and bravery, and for removing the rule of force and violence …”
        Demonization Delegitimization Double standard Disinformation Incitement
        http://www.terrorism- info.org.il/malam_multim edia/html/final/eng/bu/ira n/shihab_11_03.htm Source: IRNA
        December 7, 2001
        Ali Khamenei
        ”The Zionist regime is immersed so deep in mud, that it does not know what to do! It is clear that exploitation, lies and murder will not have a good end. These things were destined to take place, and the Zionist regime still faces difficult days … by the participation of the Palestinian youths in the struggle against the occupiers, the Intifada’s flames of honor and fire will climb higher, and when sooner or later the occupiers of Palestine are destroyed”
        Demonization Delegitimization Incitement
        http://www.terrorism- info.org.il/malam_multim edia/html/final/eng/bu/ira n/shihab_11_03.htm Source: Iranian TV in Persian
        December 31, 2001
        Ali Khamenei
        “The present generation will witness the liberation of Palestine… many of the problems of the Islamic World result from the presence of the cancerous tumor in the body of the Islamic World – the Zionist Regime…”
        Dehumanization Demonization Delegitimization Incitement
        http://www.terrorism- info.org.il/malam_multim edia/html/final/eng/bu/ira n/shihab_11_03.htm Source: Khabar TV
        January 9, 2002
        Ali Akbar Mohtashami Pur
        ”Each and every Moslem must arise in order to eradicate this cancerous cell using the soul, the money and all available resources …the Palestinians and all Moslems are committed to fighting the Zionist enemy until Palestine is liberated by Jihad and resistance and by using all available options.”
        Dehumanization Incitement Jihadi statements
        http://www.terrorism- info.org.il/malam_multim edia/html/final/eng/bu/ira n/shihab_11_03.htm Source: Al Manar TV
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        April 5, 2002
        Ali Khamenei
        Praised the behavior of the Palestinian mother who sends her child on a suicide mission and Arafat’s statement that he wants to become a Shahid, and he expressed hope that he will stand by his commitment.
        In light of the Palestinian opposition and by the “march on the road of the Shahids”, Israel is slowly disappearing. By this method, the Palestinians caused an increase in the emigration rate from Israel (“the cancerous growth”) amongst the immigrants, and stopped further immigration to it.
        Dehumanization Incitement Jihadi statements
        http://www.terrorism- info.org.il/malam_multim edia/html/final/eng/bu/ira n/shihab_11_03.htm Source: Khabar TV
        April 18, 2002
        Mohammad Khatami
        Khatemi called the Islamic states to unite “in order to topple the Zionist Regime” – not necessarily by military means (“without firing a single bullet” – so as to reinstate the rights of the Palestinians).
        Delegitimization Disinformation Incitement
        http://www.terrorism- info.org.il/malam_multim edia/html/final/eng/bu/ira n/shihab_11_03.htm Source: IRNA
        June 8, 2002
        Ali Akbar Mohtashami Pur
        “Israel’s existence is a combination of imperialism and invasion… the only way to create peace and stability in the region is the destruction of the Zionist regime and establishment of a comprehensive government which relies on the voice of the people of the Palestinian nation.”
        Incitement
        http://www.terrorism- info.org.il/malam_multim edia/html/final/eng/bu/ira n/shihab_11_03.htm Source: ISNA
        December 29, 2002
        Ali Akbar Nateq Nouri
        “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion” are Israel’s strategy for the long term and the intermediate term. The ultimate goal of this document is “to achieve Zionist domination of the world by coercion and violence”.
        Israel’s existence contradicts Iran’s national interests while the struggle against Israel is part of the defense of the goals of the Islamic regime.
        Demonization Disinformation Incitement
        http://www.terrorism- info.org.il/malam_multim edia/html/final/eng/bu/ira n/shihab_11_03.htm Source: ISNA
        March 2003
        Invasion of Iraq
        August 22, 2003
        Ali Akbar Mohtashami Pur
        “Israel is a state created by the West and stuck it as a ‘knife in the heart of the Islamic world’… peace will never reign in the region as long as Israel exists and it is a cancerous growth which aspires to destroy the Islamic world”.
        Dehumanization Demonization Delegitimization Incitement
        http://www.terrorism- info.org.il/malam_multim edia/html/final/eng/bu/ira n/shihab_11_03.htm Source: Speech Intifada Support Conference
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        April 26, 2005
        Hussein Nuri Hamadani
        “One should fight the Jews and vanquish them so that the conditions for the advent of the Hidden Imam will be met”
        “At present Jews’ policies threaten us. One should explain in the clearest terms the danger the Jews pose to the [Iranian people and to Muslims… Already from the beginning the Jews wanted to hoard the world’s greed and voracity. They always worked in important professions and now they have hoarded all of the wealth in one place. And all of the world, especially America and Europe are their slaves.”
        Demonization Incitement
        http://www.jcpa.org/text/a hmadinejad2-words.pdf Sources: link to memri.org es.cgi?Page=archives&Ar ea=sd&ID=SP89705
        link to web.peykeiran.com net_iran/irnewsbody.aspx ?ID=23105
        October 26, 2005
        Ahmadinejad
        At “The World Without Zionism” conference in Tehran:
        “The establishment of the occupying regime of Qods [Jerusalem] was a major move by the world oppressor [the United States] against the Islamic world. The situation has changed in this historical struggle. Sometimes the Muslims have won and moved forward and the world oppressor was forced to withdraw.”
        I need to thank you for choosing this valuable title for the conference. Many who are disappointed in the struggle between the Islamic world and the infidels have tried to spread the blame. They say it is not possible to have a world without the United States and Zionism. But you know that this is a possible goal and slogan.
        Our dear Imam said that the occupying regime must be wiped off the map and this was a very wise statement.
        We cannot compromise over the issue of Palestine… I have no doubt that the new wave that has started in Palestine, and we witness it in the Islamic world too, will eliminate this disgraceful stain from the Islamic world.
        I warn all leaders of the Islamic world that they should be aware of this trick. Anyone who recognizes this regime because of the pressure of the World oppressor, or because of naiveté or selfishness, will be eternally disgraced and will burn in the fury of the Islamic nations.
        Double standard Demonization Incitement Dehumanization
        http://www.nytimes.com/ 2005/10/30/weekinreview /30iran.html
        Source: The text of the speech was posted online, in Persian, by the Iranian Student News Agency (www.isnagency.com)
        link to nytimes.com 2005/10/26/world/africa/2 6iht-iran.html?_r=1
        October 26, 2005
        Seyyed Massoud
        ”If this cancer (Israel) is not removed from the Islamic world, Muslims will sustain immense harm… This wound was opened more than half a century ago
        Dehumanization
        http://www.globalsecurity .org/military/world/iran/zi onist-entity-2.htm
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        Jazayeri
        and has still not been healed, because in the Islamic world, some leaders and regimes, which have not been democratically elected by their own people, continue to rule, with the help of Western imperialism. A world without Zionism, and the obliteration of Israel from the face of the earth, is not only the objective of Iran, but of the whole Muslim world.”
        These goals had been underlined by the country’s revolutionary leader, Ayatollah Khomeini, over two decades ago. “At the time, many thought they were just propaganda slogans, but by reiterating them now, president Ahmadinejad has reminded us that they involve a strategy shared by most of the Islamic world.”
        Delegitimization Incitement
        October 27, 2005
        Manouchehr Mottaki
        ”The late Imam [Khomeini], right after the 1979 revolution, announced that Iran did not acknowledge the Zionist regime [Israel] and the apartheid regime of South Africa and this diplomatic principle has not changed since, and was also voiced by the president.”
        Delegitimization
        http://www.globalsecurity .org/military/world/iran/zi onist-entity-2.htm
        October 30, 2005
        Hossein Shariatmadari
        “We declare explicitly that we will not be satisfied with anything less than the complete obliteration of the Zionist regime from the political map of the world.”
        Delegitimization Incitement Threat
        http://www.jcpa.org/text/a hmadinejad2-words.pdf Source: http://www.iranfocus.com /en/
        special-wire/wiping- israel-off-world-map-is- iran-s-official-policy-key- official.html link to hoover.org blications/hoover- digest/article/5508
        January 25, 2006
        Manouchehr Mottaki
        The role of the UK in illegally establishing the Zionist Regime in heart of the Islamic world and the deployment by that regime of different means of suppression as well as nuclear weapons and a string of assistance and cooperation with that regime is quite evident to all.
        In the Islamic Republic of Iran’s security doctrine there is no place for nuclear weapons… The issue is based on Iranians’ religious beliefs and that has time and again been emphasized by the Islamic Republic of Iran’s leaders.
        Delegitimization Disinformation
        http://www.iranwatch.org/ government/Iran/iran- irna-mottaki- russianproposal- 012506.htm
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        April 14, 2006
        Ahmadinejad
        ”Like it or not, the Zionist regime is heading toward annihilation,”
        “The Zionist regime is a rotten, dried tree that will be eliminated by one storm,”
        A “permanent threat” to the Middle East that will “soon” be liberated.
        The land of Palestine, [referring to the British mandated territory that includes all of Israel, Gaza and the West Bank], “will be freed soon.”
        “Believe that Palestine will be freed soon.”
        Incitement Dehumanization Delegitimization
        http://www.jcpa.org/text/a hmadinejad2-words.pdf Sources: President’s official site, link to president.ir print.php?ArtID=1544
        link to cbsnews.com stories/2006/04/14/world/ main1499824.shtml
        and Anoushiravan Ehteshami and Mahjoob Zweiri, Iran and the Rise of the Neoconservatives (London: I. B. Tauris, 2007), p. 14.
        April 16, 2006
        Manouchehr Mottaki
        The Zionist regime along with the multifaceted cooperation of some of the world big powers and the meaningful silence of the Western communities suppressed the most obvious rights of the Palestinian people and committed the worst atrocities in the birth place of religions.
        “The genocide of Palestinian people, organized and assassination of Palestinian leaders, destruction of farms, torture of prisoners, Palestine’s economic siege, continuing the construction of the Separating Wall and the Jewish settlements, sacrilege on the Muslims sanctities, in particular the Al-Aqsa Mosque, are examples of the crimes committed by the Zionist regime”
        Delegitimization Double Standard Disinformation
        http://www.iranwatch.org/ government/Iran/iran- mfa-mottaki-npt- 041606.htm
        June 2006
        Second Lebanese War
        June 9, 2006
        Mohammad Ali Ramin
        ”Among the Jews there have always been those who killed God’s prophets and who opposed justice and righteousness. Throughout history, this religious group has inflicted the most damage on the human race, while some groups within it engaged in plotting against other nations and ethnic groups to cause cruelty, malice and wickedness.”
        “It was said that they were the source for such deadly diseases as the plague and typhus. This is because the Jews are very filthy people. For a time people also
        Dehumanization Demonization Holocaust Denial Delegitimization
        http://www.memri.org/rep ort/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/1717.ht m
        Source:
        http://www.roozonline.co m/01newsstory/015882.sh tml, May 30, 2006.
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        said that they poisoned water wells belonging to Christians and thus killed them.” Repeating the president’s claims about the Holocaust, he presented four theories that can be brought in support of these claims:
        “The first theory is that, in order to deny the Germans the ability to increase their power, ‘the British and Americans present them as a human-burning nation.’
        “The second theory is that the Americans and the British have cooked up this story along with the Zionists, so as to create the state of Israel in the middle of the Islamic world and thus control the Islamic world using the pretext of the Holocaust, while also getting rid of the Jews from Europe…
        “The third hypothesis relates to the traditional animosity between Christians and Jews. ‘The U.S. and Britain, with the cooperation of France, Russia and Germany, and because of their Christian leanings and animosity towards the Jews, initiated the idea of the Holocaust after the Second World War in order to scare off the Jews and send them to what is now Israel in order to get rid of them in Europe and America’
        He further said that the movement that created Israel is in fact against the Jews.
        “The fourth theory relates to covering up the crimes of the U.S. and Britain. Ramin claimed that Britain killed some 100 million Red Indians in the last 300 years, and the U.S. leveled Hiroshima – which, he said, were the real Holocausts…”
        “Ramin added that the aim of the Holocaust conspiracy was to facilitate the establishment of the state of Israel, which would, in turn, provoke the Muslims to rise up, confront the Jews and massacre them. This [conspiracy],’ he said, ‘conducted by Europe and America, would lead to the total annihilation of global Jewry.”
        Ramin added that ‘as a religious Muslim, who believes in the equality of all nations, he must alert [people] to the fact that the state of Israel was established as the result of a conspiracy against the Jews…'”
        http://www.roozonline.co m/english/015942.shtml, June 9, 2006.
        Excerpts from the Rooz article in English have been lightly edited for style (MEMRI).
        The original material is no longer available from this source (Rooz online).
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        July 7, 2006
        Ahmadinejad
        ”The Zionists and their protectors are the most detested people in all of humanity, and the hatred is increasing every day”
        “The worse their crimes, the quicker they will fall” Israel, “has blackened the pages of history.”
        Demonization Delegitimization
        http://www.naharnet.com/ domino/tn/NewsDesk.nsf/ getstory?openform&BAC 8521A07ED706BC22571 AA0045814C
        Source: Iranian TV
        August 1, 2006
        Ahmadinejad
        ”They have no boundaries, limits or taboos when it comes to killing human beings. Who are they? Where did they come from? Are they human beings? ‘They are like cattle, nay, more misguided.’ A bunch of bloodthirsty barbarians. Next to them, all the criminals of the world seem righteous.”
        Dehumanization Demonization Double Standard
        Source: Iranian News Channel (IRINN) Translation posted on: link to liveleak.com view?i=dbc_1221890468 &c=1 link to wnd.com eId=111871
        December 12, 2006
        Ahmadinejad
        ”Just as the USSR disappeared, soon the Zionist regime will disappear,”
        “The trend for the existence of the Zionist regime is downwards and this is what God has promised and what all nations want”
        “Whether the Holocaust occurred or did not or whether it had vast dimensions or not, it has become a pretext to create a base for aggression and threats for the countries of the region.”
        “Iran is your home and is the home of all freedom seekers of the world. Here you can express your views and exchange opinions in a friendly, brotherly and free atmosphere.”
        Delegitimization Holocaust Denial Incitement
        http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi /6173941.stm
        http://www.weeklystandar d.com/Content/Public/Arti cles/000/000/013/271ukt md.asp?pg=2
        December 23, 2006
        United Nations Security Council Resolution 1737
        1. Affirms that Iran shall without further delay take the steps required by the IAEA Board of Governors in its resolution GOV/2006/14, which are essential to build confidence in the exclusively peaceful purpose of its nuclear programme and to resolve outstanding questions;
        2. Decides, in this context, that Iran shall without further delay suspend the following proliferation sensitive nuclear activities:
        (a) all enrichment-related and reprocessing activities, including research and development, to be verified by the IAEA; and
        (b) work on all heavy water-related projects, including the construction of a research reactor moderated by
        http://www.un.org/Docs/s c/unsc_resolutions06.htm
        12
        3.
        heavy water, also to be verified by the IAEA;
        Decides that all States shall take the necessary measures to prevent the supply, sale or transfer directly or indirectly from their territories, or by their nationals or using their flag vessels or aircraft to, or for the use in or benefit of, Iran, and whether or not originating in their territories, of all items, materials, equipment, goods and technology which could contribute to Iran’s enrichment-related, reprocessing or heavy water-related activities, or to the development of nuclear weapon delivery systems,
        January 17, 2007
        Ahmadinejad
        ”All Middle East nations hate the Zionist regime, given that it is a dictator and totalitarian regional regime.”
        He also defended his position on the Holocaust, saying if it happened, where did it take place, and why should the Zionist regime be imposed on the Palestinians under the pretext of the Holocaust?
        Demonization Delegitimization Disinformation Double standard Holocaust Denial
        http://www.thememriblog. org/blog_personal/en/376. htm
        Source: IRNA, Iran
        January 23, 2007
        Ahmadinejad
        ”The lives of America and Israel in the region are in decline and twilight.”
        “U.S. dominance in the Middle East and the Zionist regime’s bullying are spiraling downward,”
        “The U.S. and Zionist regime have a conspiracy to stir up conflict between Shia and Sunni Muslims in order to plunder wealth of the regional nations.”
        Demonization Delegitimization
        http://www.thememriblog. org/blog_personal/en/442. htm
        Sources: ISNA, IRNA, Iran
        January 24, 2007
        Ahmadinejad
        Again questioned the existence of Holocaust and asserted that the exploration of this topic was a “vulnerability of the West.”
        He pointed out that the establishment of the “Zionist regime” was based on this falsification, which was aimed at establishing a “hegemonic system.” He went on to state that Iran has asked the “[super] powers” to remove the Zionist regime.
        Delegitimization Holocaust Denial Incitement
        http://www.thememriblog. org/blog_personal/en/484. htm
        Source: IRIB, Iran
        February 1, 2007
        Fars Iranian News Agency
        ”Genocide by poisonous balloons is the new method employed by the Israeli army for killing people in southern Lebanon.”
        Israeli planes have so far dropped thousands of these balloons all across the woods and coastal areas in southern Lebanon. “Anyone touching or inhaling the gas escaping from the balloons will be poisoned immediately. So far, nine
        Demonization Double Standard Disinformation
        http://www.thememriblog. org/blog_personal/en/556. htm
        Source: Fars, Iran
        13
        citizens have been poisoned; some are in critical condition.”
        “The Israeli army has a long record of massacring civilians, with bombs placed inside dolls, mobile sets, and similar objects. In the last case, the Zionist army dropped 3,000,000 bombs hidden in different objects in southern Lebanon. Months after the ceasefire between the Israeli regime and Lebanon, there are still millions of such bombs left in residential areas.”
        March 1, 2007
        Ahmadinejad
        “Zionists are the true manifestation of Satan”, that the “Zionist regime” is the “flag of Satan”, and that the regime is “based on evil”
        Demonization Delegitimization Incitement
        http://www.tomgrossmedi a.com/mideastdispatches/a rchives/000834.html Source: IRNA
        March 7, 2007
        Ahmadinejad
        ”the Zionist entity is in the worst period in its history, and is headed towards crumbling… The realization of the divine promise is nigh… The divine victory that was achieved thanks to the faith and the resistance of the Palestinian people will soon be revealed.”
        Delegitimization Incitement
        http://www.thememriblog. org/blog_personal/en/832. htm
        Source: Al-Hayat, London
        March 24, 2007
        United Nations Security Council Resolution 1747
        1. Reaffirms that Iran shall without further delay take the steps required by the IAEA Board of Governors in its resolution GOV/2006/14, which are essential to build confidence in the exclusively peaceful purpose of its nuclear programme and to resolve outstanding questions, and, in this context, affirms its decision that Iran shall without further delay take the steps required in paragraph 2 of resolution 1737 (2006);
        2. Calls upon all States also to exercise vigilance and restraint regarding the entry into or transit through their territories of individuals who are engaged in, directly associated with or providing support for Iran’s proliferation sensitive nuclear activities or for the development of nuclear weapon delivery systems, and decides in this regard that all States shall notify the Committee established pursuant to paragraph 18 of resolution 1737 (2006)
        http://www.un.org/Docs/s c/unsc_resolutions07.htm
        May 1, 2007
        AIi Asghar Soltanieh
        The establishment of a Nuclear Weapons Free Zone in the Middle East has been the long-standing goal of the people of the region. Iran, first initiated the idea of the establishment of a nuclear-weapon-tree zone, as an important disarmament measure in the Middle East in 1974…
        The Zionist Regime remains the only obstacle for the establishment of such a
        Demonization Disinformation
        http://www.iranwatch.org/ government/Iran/iran- mfa-review2010- 050107.pdf
        14
        zone in region. Peace and stability could not be achieved in the Middle East while a massive nuclear arsenal continues to threaten the region and beyond. It is a matter of regret that while no practical measure is taken to contain such threat as the real source of nuclear danger in the Middle East…
        May 24, 2007
        Ahmadinejad
        If Israel attacks Lebanon like it did last summer, “it will encounter the rage of the peoples of the region, who will uproot the Zionist regime.”
        Incitement
        http://www.thememriblog. org/blog_personal/en/170 1.htm
        Source: IRNA, Iran
        June 3, 2007
        Ahmadinejad
        ”Thanks to the Lebanese and Palestinian peoples, the countdown to the destruction of Israel has begun, and we will soon witness the destruction of the Zionist regime.”
        “We very much hope that in the future we will move together, alongside the Iraqi people, towards Jerusalem. This is the hope of all peoples, and it will come to pass.”
        Delegitimization Incitement
        http://www.thememriblog. org/blog_personal/en/178 7.htm link to naharnet.com domino/tn/Newsdesk.nsf/ Story/7082F91E1191E3E 1C22572EF003E57CD?O penDocument&PRINT Source: ISNA, IRNA
        July 20, 2007
        United States House Concurrent Resolution 21 (H. Con. Res. 21):
        Calling on the United Nations Security Council to charge Iranian leader Mahmoud Ahmadinejad with violating the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide and United Nations Charter because of his calls for the destruction of the State of Israel.
        http://www.govtrack.us/co ngress/bill.xpd?bill=hc11 0-21
        August 18, 2007
        Ahmadinejad
        ”The Zionist regime is the flag bearer of violation and occupation and this regime is the flag of Satan. …It is not unlikely that this regime be on the path to dissolution and deterioration when the philosophy behind its creation and survival is invalid.”
        Demonization Delegitimization Incitement
        http://www.iranfocus.com /en/index.php?option=co m_content&task=view&id =12153
        August 27, 2007
        Sobh-e Sadeq
        paper
        In an article titled “The Holocaust – The Big Lie,” the Iranian weekly Sobh-e Sadeq states that the separation of Jews from German society during the 1930s emanated from the confluence of the interests of the Nazis and of the interests and nationalist aspirations of the Zionist movement.
        The article stated that the Germans wanted to be rid of the Jews because of their
        Demonization Holocaust Denial Disinformation
        http://www.thememriblog. org/blog_personal/en/268 2.htm
        Source: Sobh-e Sadeq, Iran
        15
        prominence in gambling, drug smuggling, vice, and exploitation of their economic power.
        September 24, 2007
        Ahmadinejad
        “…on the other hand, they gather a number of Jews from different parts of the world through false propaganda and with the promise of providing them with welfare, jobs and food, and settle them in the occupied territories, exposing them to the harshest restrictions, psychological pressures and constant threats.
        They prevent these people from returning to their homelands and by coercion and propaganda induce them to malevolence toward the indigenous Palestinian people.”
        “The era of darkness will end. Prisoners will return home. The occupied lands will be freed. Palestine and Iraq will be liberated from the domination of the occupiers. And the people of America and Europe will be free of the pressures exerted by the Zionists.”
        Delegitimization Disinformation Incitement
        http://www.adl.org/NR/ex eres/AE96E291-9DA7- 4148-AF14- 273A06174A7B,DB7611 A2-02CD-43AF-8147- 649E26813571,frameless. htm
        Source: Speech to UN General Assembly
        September 25, 2007
        Ahmadinejad
        Israel – “Zionist regime”, which had illegally occupied Palestine for 60 years.
        Delegitimization
        http://www.iranwatch.org/ international/UN/un- pressconfwithpresidentah madinejad-092507.htm
        September 25, 2007
        Saffari Harandi
        The entire Islamic world knows and admires Erbakan (Former Turkish PM) by his accurate definition of Zionism that serves like a guide book to Muslims everywhere.
        (“Zionists” (meaning the Jews) as “bacteria” and “disease.” All Infidel Nations Are One Zionist Entity; Jews Want To Rule From Morocco to Indonesia).
        He has been following the Milli Gorus movement since his youth and has adopted Erbakan’s idea of Muslim countries uniting forces in D-8, to stand together against Zionism.
        Dehumanization Demonization Delegitimization
        http://www.thememriblog. org/blog_personal/en/303 5.htm
        Source: Milli Gazete, Turkey
        More at:
        link to memri.org ort/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/2356.ht m
        October 5, 2007
        Ahmadinejad
        ”I would now like to ask Western governments to explain which one is right. Are they held captive [by the Zionists] or are they the puppet masters of the Zionists?”
        “In both cases, they are accomplice to the crimes of the Zionist regime and they
        Demonization Delegitimization Holocaust Denial
        http://www.adl.org/NR/ex eres/AE96E291-9DA7- 4148-AF14- 273A06174A7B,DB7611 A2-02CD-43AF-8147-
        16
        should know that they should be accountable for what they have done.”
        “After the Second World War, they created a scenario called ‘pogrom against Jews.’ All over Europe and the countries under Western rule, an anti-Jewish movement has been concocted. The climate of propaganda and psychological warfare on the one hand and on the other hand using the issue of ovens burning human beings, they have concocted a myth of deprivation and innocence for the Jews of Europe. They use this pretext of the innocence of Jews and the suffering of some Jews during the Second World War. Riding on the crest of a wave of anti-Jewish sentiments, they have laid the foundations for the Zionist regime.” “…you cannot tolerate the presence of Zionists in Europe but want to inflict them on the people of our region? You have so much land in your possession. This vast land of Canada and Alaska can be used to resettle the Jews. Save yourselves.”
        Disinformation Incitement
        649E26813571,frameless. htm
        Source: Al-Quds Day speech
        October 22, 2007
        Mir-Faisal Bagherzadeh
        The U.S., in collaboration with the Zionist regime of Israel, is forming a bank of the molecules and genes of the different world nations and peoples in pursuit of its hostile goals.
        “This is not done in pursuit of humanitarian goals. Rather they are seeking to manufacture a weapon which could kill specific peoples in a limited geographical area,”
        This move should be considered “genocide”, “because they intend to massacre specific peoples and ethnicities” with the help of this weapon.
        Demonization Disinformation Incitement
        http://www.thememriblog. org/blog_personal/en/333 4.htm
        Source: Fars, Iran
        link to aztlan.net icans_are_now_endangere d.htm
        November 26, 2007
        Sobh-e Sadeq
        paper ( Ali Khamenei )
        ”the Zionist regime is state terrorism incarnate, which perpetrates crimes against humanity.”
        History shows that the Jews have no claim over the Palestinian lands, and that Zionist leaders in Germany collaborated with the Nazis in 1933-1943 with the aim of sending Germany’s Jews to Palestine.
        Delegitimization Disinformation Incitement
        http://www.thememriblog. org/blog_personal/en/385 2.htm
        Source: Sobh-e Sadeq, Iran
        November 2007
        US National Intelligence Estimate. Iran: Nuclear Intentions and Capabilities
        We judge with high confidence that in fall 2003, Tehran halted its nuclear weapons program1; we also assess with moderate-to-high confidence that Tehran at a minimum is keeping open the option to develop nuclear weapons.
        Iran resumed its declared centrifuge enrichment activities in January 2006, despite the continued halt in the nuclear weapons program.
        http://www.dni.gov/press_ releases/20071203_releas e.pdf
        link to nytimes.com 2007/12/04/world/middlee ast/04intel.html
        17
        December 11, 2007
        Ahmadinejad
        Iran did not feel threatened by the Zionist regime, and Iran had “repeatedly announced that the foundation of the Zionist regime is based on threat and aggression on its neighbors and regional countries.”
        “We have time and again announced the solution to this dilemma.”
        Demonization Incitement
        http://www.thememriblog. org/blog_personal/en/404 0.htm
        Source: IRNA, Iran
        December 20, 2007
        Ahmadinejad
        The Palestinian nation’s unyielding resistance heralds a powerful Palestinian victory nation against the Zionist regime.
        He hoped that the Palestinian nation would continue the path of resistance until it achieved complete victory against the Zionist occupiers, and called for more support from the world’s Muslims to help liberate the Palestinians from their critical situation in the occupied lands.
        “God willing, the flag of monotheism and Muslim glory will be hoisted and the ground will be paved for the expulsion of the enemies from the occupied lands” Called Hizbullah Secretary-General Hassan Nasrallah a “brother” and a “beloved hero to Muslim nations”.
        Demonization Delegitimization Incitement
        http://www.thememriblog. org/blog_personal/en/422 9.htm
        Sources: IRIBnews.ir, Fars, Iran
        January 29, 2008
        Ahmadinejad
        ”Throughout history, no one has witnessed crimes like those that the Zionist regime is committing against the Palestinians… We must be patient and must stand on our principles, so that with God’s help this puppet regime will collapse.”
        Praised the “culture of martyrdom” and called for instilling it in the younger generation. He said, “The fall and end of the domination regime [i.e. the U.S.] is nigh.”
        Demonization Jihadi statements Incitement
        http://www.thememriblog. org/blog_personal/en/490 6.htm
        Sources: IRNA, Farda, Iran
        January 30, 2008
        Gholam-Ali Haddad-Adel
        Every Muslim was obligated “to withstand the Zionist regime of Israel’s crimes and brutality and to defend the oppressed Palestinian nation… The Great Satan and hegemonic powers are… today trying to prevent the criminal Zionism from being the target of the Muslim world’s hatred and protests, and are making efforts to sow differences among the Muslim ummah, providing wrong news and analyses in a bid to [do so].”
        Demonization Delegitimization
        http://www.thememriblog. org/blog_personal/en/496 2.htm
        Source: IRNA, Iran
        February 5, 2008
        Ahmadinejad
        …the Jews of Israel are: “a people falsified, invented, [the people of Israel] will not last; they must leave the territory.”
        Delegitimization
        http://www.jcpa.org/text/a hmadinejad2-words.pdf Source: French daily Le Monde
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        February 5, 2008
        Ahmadinejad
        ”The life-curve of the Zionist regime has begun its descent, and it is now on a downward slope towards its fall. . . . The Zionist regime will be wiped out, and humanity will be liberated.”
        Demonization Delegitimization Incitement
        http://www.msnbc.msn.co m/id/16149717/
        http://www.weeklystandar d.com/Content/Public/Arti cles/000/000/013/271ukt md.asp?pg=2
        February 12, 2008
        Ahmad Janati
        “The blind enemies should see that the wish of these people is the death of America and Israel.”
        Incitement
        http://www.jcpa.org/text/a hmadinejad2-words.pdf Source: link to aftab.ir 2008/feb/12/c1c12028115 97_politics_iran_jannati.p hp
        February 16, 2008
        Hassan Firoozabadi
        ”The Zionists must know that the Palestinian and Lebanese fighters will continue their struggle until the absolute destruction of the Zionist regime and the liberation of all the Palestinian lands.”
        “Soon the millions of repressed and supporters of justice all over the world would rejoice at the news of the destruction of the “satanic Zionist front.”
        Demonization Delegitimization Incitement
        http://www.thememriblog. org/blog_personal/en/548 4.htm
        Source: Fars, Iran
        February 18, 2008
        Mohammad- Ali Jafari
        “In the near future, we will witness the destruction of the cancerous microbe Israel (

      • seanmcbride
        September 29, 2012, 11:29 am

        GHStanton wrote:

        This blog is nothing but an anti-Israeli propaganda site.

        Where are you coming from on Mideast politics? Any cultural biases? Any ties to any players in the region? How would you define the American interest in the Mideast? Do you support or oppose the current Israeli government? What do you envision as a realistic solution to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict? Where do you stand on the flood of Islamophobic propaganda that pro-Israel activists have been pumping into American culture for the last few decades? Did you support or oppose the Iraq War? Which ethnic nationalist movements around the world do you support and on what grounds?

        There are nine distinct questions there. Please: try to pursue these issues with your own words and thoughts — no canned propaganda.

      • Donald
        September 29, 2012, 3:53 pm

        Very strange. In your long list of quotes I see some that are anti-semitic and dehumanizing, and some that are anti-Zionist or anti-Israel, and some that are denunciations of Israeli war crimes, sometimes exaggerated or made up but oddly similar to what the US used to say about the Soviet Union in Afghanistan–I mean, for instance, this–

        “The Israeli army has a long record of massacring civilians, with bombs placed inside dolls, mobile sets, and similar objects. In the last case, the Zionist army dropped 3,000,000 bombs hidden in different objects in southern Lebanon. Months after the ceasefire between the Israeli regime and Lebanon, there are still millions of such bombs left in residential areas.””

        That’s clearly a reference to the massive number of cluster bombs that Israel dropped on Lebanon in the closing days of the war, which you can find denounced at Human Rights Watch. The idea that Israel disguised them inside dolls etc is a lie AFAIK, but similar to one that the US told about the Soviets in Afghanistan, and also a lie based on the munitions the Soviets were dropping there. We also had Americans (most of us, in fact) who wanted the Soviet regime to disappear and people weren’t always too careful in making a distinction between the regime and the people. Reagan famously joked (he thought off the air) about abolishing the Soviet Union, with the bombing to commence in five minutes. It made people nervous because there were some people in the US who weren’t altogether unwilling to use nuclear weapons if we could have gotten away with it

        In short, much of this is standard propaganda directed at an enemy and if you include this it shows an unwillingness on your part to make distinctions between actual incitement to commit genocide and the usual BS that governments spout about their hated enemies. You also seem to think that denunciation of Israeli brutality, exaggerated or not, is in itself “delegitimization” and therefore a prelude to genocide. Denunciation of Israel itself is a prelude to genocide, in your mind, though any Muslim or Arab in the Middle East would know that Israel exists as a Jewish state because of ethnic cleansing. Israel is sitting on top of hundreds of former Palestinian villages. Do you expect people in the Middle East not to know this? There is some genuinely anti-semitic hate speech in there too, of course, and your case would be stronger if you stuck to that. I’m no legal expert and don’t know if this would constitute “incitement to genocide” or not. I am perfectly willing to support bringing Iranian leaders to account if it is, so long as this isn’t some BS pretext for war.

        On the subject of Israeli brutality to Palestinians, your interest is obviously perfunctory at best. You barely respond at all–the subject doesn’t interest you. Ethnic cleansing by Israel and apartheid-like laws (wouldn’t that count as a possible prelude to genocide?) doesn’t interest you. The use of indiscriminate weapons (like the massive use of cluster bombs in Lebanon or white phosphorus in Gaza) doesn’t interest you. The dehumanizing racist rhetoric used by many Israelis doesn’t interest you–in the recent op ed in the NYT about Sabra and Shatila we once again saw Israeli officials referring to all Palestinian fighters as “terrorists”, and the distinction between “Palestinian” and “terrorists” often seems small to some Israelis. In the case of Sabra and Shatila that led to a small genocide by Israel’s allies with Israeli help–the Israeli investigation led to a slap on the wrist for Sharon and later he wins election as Prime Minister, which tells you something about Israeli attitudes, doesn’t it? Before that, during the war itself, the Israelis killed far more civilians by dropping bombs on Beirut and other Lebanese towns. Hostage pointed out that there are extremist rabbis whose genocidal attitudes may have led to atrocities in Gaza committed by soldiers influenced by such attitudes. You didn’t respond to any of this.

        You came back after a week and you had time to read through the thread and see some of our comments–Hostage is up and down the thread making serious detailed arguments and you simply didn’t care to engage. I don’t understand how someone who was serious about the subject of human rights and genocidal rhetoric would behave the way you do in this thread.

      • tree
        September 29, 2012, 6:08 pm

        Great response, Donald.

        I would add one point about the “bombs inside of toys”. I don’t think it is an exaggeration but rather a misunderstanding.Its not that the cluster bombs are inside of toys, but rather that they themselves LOOK like toys. Time Magazine did a report on the cluster bombs dropped in Lebanon by the IDF in the waning hours of the ceasefire. It titled the report “The Toys” that Kill”.

        Cluster sub-munitions are supposed to explode on impact. Manufacturers claim a dud rate of around 5 percent, but the U.N. estimates that more than 30 percent of cluster bomblets fired into south Lebanon failed to detonate. When hundreds of thousands of civilians displaced by the fighting began to return to the area, they found thousands of cluster bomblets in gardens, houses and streets, orange orchards, banana plantations and olive groves, often hanging from the branches.

        ……..

        “We are prioritizing agricultural land,” says Simon Lovell, the site supervisor. Each bomblet is cordoned off with red and white tape before being linked together with explosive cord and destroyed in a controlled blast. One of the three sites he is clearing has yielded over 300 of the 1970s-era bomblets. The BLU-63s found in south Lebanon were manufactured between 1973 and 1978, according to Clark, which explains their high dud rate.

        “They are well past their shelf life,” he says. “The Israelis knew how old they were and they knew that they weren’t going to work.”

        link to time.com

        So, Israel knew, or certainly should have known, that a large percentage of the one million cluster bomblets ( link to haaretz.com ) they dropped in the final days of the 2006 War would remain unexploded and create a severe hazard for civilians, especially children. But Stanton and his biased Israeli source don’t want us to focus on Israeli violence toward Lebanese civilians. They want us to focus on Iranian criticism of that Israeli violence, and see legitimate, if not entirely accurate, Iranian criticism as incitement to genocide. Killing civilians based on their ethnicity, not a big problem to them. Criticizing the country that engages in that kind of killing, OMG! INCITEMENT!!

        Interestly, and quite hypocritically, the Israeli GPN site engages in its own incitement, delegitimization, and demonizing by introducing its list of offending Iranian statement by repeatedly comparing Iran to Nazi Germany. Again, the site is a farce, and Stanton is either a complicit enabler of the very thing he claims to oppose, or an ignorant fool, or both.

      • Donald
        September 29, 2012, 11:28 pm

        Thanks tree. As for Stanton, his performance here is extremely unimpressive. If he were morally consistent his response would have been very different, but clearly he has no interest in moral consistency or in getting into a serious discussion with people who could point out his double standards.

        And one thing about the whole “Israel is facing an existential threat from Iran” that really strikes me is this–nobody who claims to worry about Israel being nuked by Iran ever says one word about the Palestinians who would also die. Or I’ve never seen it. Now that’s strange. If the concern were over millions of innocent lives being snuffed out by Iranian nukes, surely one would mention all the lives at risk, but nobody does. Nobody asks whether the Palestinians are concerned, or why the Israelis don’t beg the Palestinians to speak out–of course, so long as the Israelis keep their boots on the Palestinians there’s no need to wonder about that. The Israelis would rather keep stealing Palestinian land, rather than have them as allies against the real or imagined Iranian threat. So it’s clear where Israeli priorities lie. To turn Golda Meir’s phrase against her, until the Israelis start caring about their own genuine security needs more than they want to keep screwing the Palestinians, they won’t have security.

      • Hostage
        September 30, 2012, 7:27 am

        Hate language refers to terms which are used to dehumanize demonize, stigmatize, delegitimize, or slander groups defined by their national, ethnic, religious, racial, or political identity. Dehumanization refers to hate language which includes terms and metaphors-usually of epidemic disease, cancer, or physical decay from public health and medicine– which induce disgust, revulsion, fear and hate for the other.

        In the context of Israeli society that would certainly include the terms “gentile” or “goyim”,”demographic threat”, “missionary”, and “infiltrators” (aka refugees, indigenous Palestinians or Bedouins). See for example
        *MK Who Called Sudanese ‘Cancer’ won’t be Punished: Ethics Committee rejects complaints against MK Miri Regev and others who spoke harshly against infiltrators. link to israelnationalnews.com
        *”MKs debate protection of ‘equality’ in future constitution” link to haaretz.com

        A Deputy President of the Supreme Court, Justice Elon, ruled that Arab citizens merely have an equal right to recognize that Israel is the state of the Jewish people, and only the Jewish people. Any Arab political party that denies that principle and calls for a bi-national state with equal legal standing and entitlements for non-Jews is ipso jure illegal:

        The principle that the State of Israel is the state of the Jewish people is Israel’s foundation and mission [yessoda vi-yeuda], and the principle of the equality of rights and obligations of all citizens of the State of Israel is of the State’s essence and character [mahuta ve-ofya]. The latter principle comes only to add to the former, not to modify it; there is nothing in the principle of the equality of civil rights and obligations to modify the principle that the State of Israel is the state of the Jewish people, and only the Jewish people. — (Ben-Shalom v. Central Elections Commission, 1988, 272)

        Here are some scholarly sources which weigh-in on that subject of delegitimization of the Palestinian people:
        *Baruch Kimmerling, Politicide: Ariel Sharon’s War Against the Palestinians, Verso, 2003;
        *Rosemary E. Shinko, “Discourses of Denial: Silencing the Palestinians, Delegitimizing Their Claims,” Journal of International Affairs 58.1 (2004);
        *Marcelo Svirsky, “The Desire for terra nullius and the Zionist-Palestinian Conflict,” in Paul Patton and Simone Bignall (Eds.) Deleuze and the Postcolonial, Edinburgh University Press 2009.
        *Joyce Dalsheim, Settler nationalism, collective memories of violence and the ‘uncanny other’, Social Identities, Volume 10, Issue 2 2004 , pages 151 – 170;
        *Lawrence Davidson, “Historical Ignorance and Popular Perception: the Case of U.S. Perceptions of Palestine, 1917,” Middle East Policy3.2 (1994): pages 125-148;

        Here is a reliable published report which implicated officials in the Rabbinate of the Israeli Defense Forces of doing exactly what you’ve described:

        An overview of some of the army rabbinate’s publications made available during the fighting reflects the tone of nationalist propaganda that steps blatantly into politics, sounds racist and can be interpreted as a call to challenge international law when it comes to dealing with enemy civilians.

        Haaretz has received some of the publications through Breaking the Silence, a group of former soldiers who collect evidence of unacceptable behavior in the army vis-a-vis Palestinians. Other material was provided by officers and men who received it during Operation Cast Lead. Following are quotations from this material:

        “[There is] a biblical ban on surrendering a single millimeter of it [the Land of Israel] to gentiles, though all sorts of impure distortions and foolishness of autonomy, enclaves and other national weaknesses. We will not abandon it to the hands of another nation, not a finger, not a nail of it.” This is an excerpt from a publication entitled “Daily Torah studies for the soldier and the commander in Operation Cast Lead,” issued by the IDF rabbinate.

        — Amos Harel “IDF rabbinate publication during Gaza war”, Haaretz, Jan. 26, 2009 link to haaretz.com

        This blog is nothing but an anti-Israeli propaganda site.

        Well it’s behavior is nothing to brag about. UN Special Rapporteur on Human Rights, John Dugard, wrote:

        Checkpoints are not so much a security measure for ensuring that would-be suicide bombers do not enter Israel, but rather the institutionalization of the humiliation of the Palestinian people. Similarly, a curfew is not simply a restriction on leaving one’s home. It is the imprisonment of the people within their own homes. Unable to go to work, to buy food, to go to school, to visit hospitals or to bury their dead, they are confined within the walls of their own homes while the IDF patrols their streets. Statistics of checkpoints and curfews cannot accurately portray the obscenity of the situation.

        See E/CN.4/2004/6, 8 September 2003 link to unispal.un.org

        The Goldstone report contained similar observations which explained that Israeli law qualifies the non-Jewish indigenous population as “alien persons”:

        Despite prohibitions under international humanitarian law (IHL), Israel has applied its domestic laws throughout the Occupied Palestinian Territory since 1967. . . . .[T]he application of Israeli domestic laws has resulted in institutionalized discrimination against Palestinians in the Occupied Palestinian Territory to the benefit of Jewish settlers, both Israeli citizens and others. Exclusive benefits reserved for Jews derive from the two-tiered civil status under Israel’s domestic legal regime based on a “Jewish nationality,” which entitles “persons of Jewish race or descendency” to superior rights and privileges, particularly in land use, housing, development, immigration and access to natural resources, as affirmed in key legislation. Administrative procedures qualify indigenous inhabitants of the Occupied Palestinian Territory as “alien persons” and, thus, prohibited from building on, or renting, large portions of land designated by the Government of Israel as “State land” (para 206)

        From the facts available to it, the Mission believes that in the movement and access policy there has been a violation of the right not to be discriminated against on the basis of race or national origin. . . . The Mission is also concerned that the increasingly entrenched array of movement and access restrictions, both physical and non-physical, amount to a deliberate policy of closely controlling a population in order to make use of areas of its land.

        The Mission further considers that the series of acts that deprive Palestinians in the Gaza Strip of their means of subsistence, employment, housing and water, that deny their freedom of movement and their right to leave and enter their own country, that limit their rights to access a court of law and an effective remedy, could lead a competent court to find that the crime of persecution, a crime against humanity, has been committed.

      • Mooser
        October 16, 2012, 2:30 pm

        “There’s just no way for someone in your position to claim they’re unaware of all that evidence of persecution and incitement committed by Israeli officials against Palestinians.”

        Maybe when it comes to salary and understanding, he’s strictly a Menckenist.

      • Annie Robbins
        September 23, 2012, 8:21 am

        Many thousands of Iranians shouted “Death to America, death to Israel” during state-organized protests on Friday and President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad told them there was no place for the Jewish state in a future Middle East….

        we have a video here from jerusalem day with thousands of people (many wearing yamakas) marching near damascus gate while chanting ‘death to arabs’. would you like to view it?

        also, note the difference between the allegation reuters made in their introduction, and the quote from Ahmadinejad in the text. “Saving the existence of the Zionist regime is a joint commitment by most
        arrogant Western governments,”

        the zionist regime is not the same as ‘jews’ and some might argue it’s not even the same as ‘israel’ as described in their own declaration of independence. if it was then calling for regime change would be tantamount to calling for genocide. note when we ended the regime in iraq, and implemented the complete dismantling of their gov structure we didn’t frame it as a call for genocide.

      • Hostage
        September 23, 2012, 10:54 pm

        we have a video here from jerusalem day with thousands of people (many wearing yamakas) marching near damascus gate while chanting ‘death to arabs’.

        And videos of IDF soldiers standing idly by while settlers shoot Palestinians during weekly demonstrations. Thanks for commenting about the death chants from the miles-long line of right wing, white-shirted, Israelis marching through the Arab neighborhood on Jerusalem Day. I omitted them in my response to the proposition that Israeli officials, like the IDF Chief Rabbi & etc. had not engaged in direct public incitement to commit genocide.

        These State-supported ugly and threatening parades through Jerusalem have been the subject of Security Council concerns over international peace and security since the first one was held in Jerusalem on 2 May 1968. It included a provocative military parade that started in the occupied City of Jerusalem. See
        *S/8560 link to un.org
        * S/Res/252 21 May 1968 link to un.org

        US displeasure over Israel’s behavior came to a head on 1 July 1969, when Ambassador Yost, acting on instructions from President Nixon, told the Security Council that the United States had repeatedly advised the government of Israel that it considered East Jerusalem occupied territory to which the Geneva Conventions applied.

      • talknic
        September 23, 2012, 9:07 am

        GHStanton September 22, 2012 at 7:00 pm

        Uh huh. So who added the words in parenthesis like … “(Israel)”. Do Farsi speakers speak in parenthesis?

        A regime is a government, not a country and Jerusalem is a city, not a country. UNSC Res 476 agrees in essence with the Iranians. link to wp.me

      • traintosiberia
        September 23, 2012, 10:57 am

        Professor
        Those Israeli chants “Death to Arabs” still echoing in West bank along with burning of mosques and Koran and shredding of Bible and Olive trees. Yes “Death to Arab” is the frequent en mass expression of Jewish solidarity against the original and native people of Palestine.

        Have you forgot those words ” We will break the every bones ‘of Arabs] by Rabin?
        Have you forgot those words from Israeli leaders ( secular and religious ) that Arabs are animals,cockroaches,beasts and 2 legged animal?

      • traintosiberia
        September 23, 2012, 1:10 pm

        GHStanton the Professor says ‘For Iranian leaders’ statements against Jews since 1979,”

        Before for us to see that , World should open the files of collaboration between SAVAK and Israel and mete out the necessary justice to Israel for crimes agaisnt huanity.
        Mr Prof wants Canada and ICC to help with issue of incitement. Good!Lets start it at home here in US.
        29 or so PNAC members who manged to sneak into Bush administration should also be held responsible ,accountable and be sentenced to hard labor incarceration for knowingly lying,inciting,massaging news and information and ignoring the intelligence with the purpose of killing Iraqis in the name of removing Saddam over the manufactured lies of terrorism and WMD.The same rogue elements who are agitating for war against Iran nuclear activities should be held accountable and a court should be asked to decide how this incitement to mass murder is any different to the mass murder and purposeful destruction of life-maintaining infrastructures we have seen in Iraq or in Dar Yassien/Sabra Shatila or Rwanda other than in a scale of million times magnitude. It is not an argument to say we could not prosecute the nefarious Israeli over Sabra -Shatila and so we should let this go as well and “move forward”.

        Prof reminds the world-
        “Intentional destruction, in whole or in part, of a national group is genocide”
        The things that Israel did in Lebanon and Gaza and promising more.

      • traintosiberia
        September 23, 2012, 1:36 pm

        There is a slow genocide going on in WB and GAZA. Have you got any scholar from that part on board? Does World have to ask Israel or its firster if genocide is going on in Gaza? Did world ask Germany or [its firtser ] Italy if genocide was going in Germany administered areas?

        Calling a country cancerous is no different from calling a country as genocidal or suicidal or irrational .
        Israel demanded wars [ destruction of] against Syria, Lebanon,Libya,Iran,Somalia after Iraq was taken care, Now don hide behind the nuances of between war and destruction. No country has ever been destroyed not even Germany or Japan after WW2 neither Vietnam But they including Iraq all come pretty close. Israel wants to impose same fate obviously on Iran.
        Anti Jewish slurs or Mein Kampf was not the reason world went to screw Germany. Free speech come in many forms ugly and horrible as Muslims found out recently and had over Park 51, Obsession Video and over numerous clippings of FOX news or in the ugly anti muslim statements of Congressmen/Women from NY,MN,and Florida or from Geller/Spencer /Horowitz/Pipes/Gaffney . They did incite though a few people who went out to kill in Norway and in Wisconsin and launch threatening demonstration against muslims in England . They also do soften people’s mind not to question when lie based information is used to attack country like Iraq . Incitement also comes from all those letter head organizations who want to “stop Iran”. Who needs slurs when same result can be achieved by using ideas like democracy and human rights or words like threat or holocaust-denier?
        The threat to remove food from the mouth of Iranian babies is still quite popular from not suicidal or not irrational and not messianic Israeli firsters in this country. Removing food kills , just for a reminder , in case Prof does not know.

      • American
        September 23, 2012, 3:13 pm

        @ GHStanton says:
        September 22, 2012 at 7:00 pm>>>>

        What kind of fool are you? You think we here don’t know the genocide and war crimes statutes by chapter and verse?
        You don’t think we and many international law experts haven’t taken and matched them up exactly to how Israeli actions and ”patterns” would be proven in a ICC.
        Seriously, you are wasting your time and ours with your simplistic newspaper quotes.
        We will leave it to our own resident expert, Hostage, to dispose of your nonsense in detail if you want to continue it.

      • tree
        September 23, 2012, 6:28 pm

        For Iranian leaders’ statements against Jews since 1979, I refer you to reports compiled by members of the International Alliance to End Genocide, such as link to genocidepreventionnow.org

        I couldn’t find any Iranian “statements against Jews” at the website you linked. I did find this first paragraph on the home page which leads me to seriously doubt the integrity of that site.

        By now almost everyone in the world acknowledges that Iran is moving relentlessly, in defiance of all the world’s pressures on her to stop, towards MILITARY nuclear capability. Moreover, by now an overwhelming majority of observers, reporters and analysts agree that they are very, very close to their goal.

        This is such a gross overstatement so as to put the rest of the site’s material under question as to its real motives, which seem much more in line with whipping up fear and hatred of Iran than in”taking the side of protecting all human life,” as it proclaims as its purpose.

        I also notice that the site is heavily Israel-centric, created by the Institute on the Holocaust and Genocide in Jerusalem. and being run for the most part by Israeli professors, or former professors. It has no obvious criticism of Israel on it, and focuses primarily on Iran, despite the fact that the site is in English with no other languages available, and seems to be directed at an American audience, intent on inciting them on to the preferred Israel government position that Iran is a genocidal threat.

        And then there is this from Issue 8:

        Come see the Youtube debate between GPN Editor, Israel W. Charny; and arch Holocaust denier (by descralization, minimization, and vitriolic attacks against Israel that achieve the ancient denial strategy of flipping the victim people into the role of perpetrators), Norman Finkelstein.

        That website is a farce, put up to excuse Israeli actions, not to protect life. That Stanton would link to it as a reputable source only indicates his ignorance on the subject, or his complicity in the farce.

      • seanmcbride
        September 23, 2012, 7:08 pm

        tree wrote:

        I also notice that the site is heavily Israel-centric, created by the Institute on the Holocaust and Genocide in Jerusalem. and being run for the most part by Israeli professors, or former professors

        Is this just another one of a zillion Israeli front groups, like UANI (United Against Nuclear Iran)?

      • GHStanton
        September 29, 2012, 10:54 am

        It is the Mondoweiss blog that is a farce.

      • seanmcbride
        September 29, 2012, 11:18 am

        GHStanton wrote:

        It is the Mondoweiss blog that is a farce.

        So far you have shown no inclination or ability to engage in a rational discussion with the thoughtful arguments here that have challenged your claims and assertions — instead you continue to flood Mondoweiss with canned propaganda.

        I addressed several substantive questions your way — still no response. You’re on automatic pilot and are not making your case.

      • seafoid
        September 29, 2012, 11:19 am

        I know a lot of people at hasbara central. Are you on your own there this morning ?

      • American
        September 29, 2012, 11:28 am

        GHStanton says:
        September 29, 2012 at 10:54 am

        It is the Mondoweiss blog that is a farce.”

        Really? Then why are you here?
        What has you going is MW is one of the best repositories of historical facts and ‘the best’ on current happenings on Israel-US-I/P.
        And in addition reflects the diverse opinions of Jews and gentiles and even some Arabs, –> Who Are Knowledgable about the issue.
        Give it up, you’re mad cause your hasabara doesn’t stand a chance here.

      • Taxi
        September 29, 2012, 12:40 pm

        If it’s a farce why ain’t ya laughing GHStanton? You sound positively pissed off or jealous or something.

      • flyod
        September 29, 2012, 4:15 pm

        i hope they send samantha next

      • Oscar
        September 29, 2012, 4:16 pm

        @GHStanton: While you state that Iran has exhibited signs of genocide, you are unable to point to a single act of violence on its part as an aggressor against Israel.

        Meanwhile, you — as an academic who holds himself out as an expert on genocidal tendencies of nation-states — remain silent on Israel’s “Dahiya doctrine,” the IDF’s publicly-stated, central military strategy to wipe out civilian populations and destroy their infrastructure repeatedly. To paraphrase Wikipedia:

        The Dahiya doctrine is a military strategy put forth by the Israeli general Gadi Eizenkot that pertains to asymmetric warfare in an urban setting, in which the army deliberately targets civilian infrastructure, as a means of inducing suffering for the civilian population.

        General Gadi Eizenkot, commander of the IDF’s northern front, in October 2008 said “We will wield disproportionate power against [the civilian population] and cause immense damage and destruction. From our perspective, [the civilian areas] are military bases. […] This isn’t a suggestion. Its a plan that has already been authorized. […] Harming the population is the only means of restraining Nasrallah.” [Emphasis added.]

        Israel implemented such a strategy during Operation Cast Lead. The 2009 Goldstone Report makes several references to the Dahiya doctrine, calling it a concept which requires the application of “widespread destruction as a means of deterrence” and which involves “the application of disproportionate force and the causing of great damage and destruction to civilian property and infrastructure, and suffering to civilian populations.” The Fact Finding Mission which submitted the Report concluded that the doctrine had been put into practice during the conflict.

        Richard Falk wrote that under the doctrine, “the civilian infrastructure [is] treated as permissible military targets, which is not only an overt violation of the most elementary norms of the law of war and of universal morality, but an avowal of a doctrine of violence that needs to be called by its proper name: state terrorism.”

        – Wikipedia, “The Dahiya Doctrine”

        We were lied to repeatedly by the press, the government and academia to drag us into the disastrous wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. I hope you’ll understand when we are a bit more skeptical when it comes to so-called academic experts pounding the table to dupe Americans into another war. After all, it’s unlikely your sons or daughters will be among the “boots on the ground” in the next meat grinder in the Middle East.

      • tree
        September 29, 2012, 6:17 pm

        It is the Mondoweiss blog that is a farce.

        So in other words, your response is “I’m rubber, you’re glue, whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you”. What an impressive, well reasoned and thoughtful response!

      • Hostage
        September 30, 2012, 10:36 am

        Meanwhile, you — as an academic who holds himself out as an expert on genocidal tendencies of nation-states — remain silent on Israel’s “Dahiya doctrine,” . . . Richard Falk wrote that under the doctrine . . .

        Any useful theory has to be able to make accurate predictions. Prof Stanton is shreying about eight stages or indicators on the road to genocide based upon Iranian threats dating back to 1979.

        But nobody ever lost a wager by predicting that Israel would perpetrate massacres against the Palestinians.

        More than a year before Operation Cast Lead, Prof. Falk pointed out in very explicit terms that intervention was urgently required in response to Israel’s genocidal policies and practices to protect the citizens of Gaza from a looming collective tragedy:

        Is it an irresponsible overstatement to associate the treatment of Palestinians with this criminalized Nazi record of collective atrocity? I think not. The recent developments in Gaza are especially disturbing because they express so vividly a deliberate intention on the part of Israel and its allies to subject an entire human community to life-endangering conditions of utmost cruelty. The suggestion that this pattern of conduct is a holocaust-in-the-making represents a rather desperate appeal to the governments of the world and to international public opinion to act urgently to prevent these current genocidal tendencies from culminating in a collective tragedy. If ever the ethos of ‘a responsibility to protect,’ recently adopted by the UN Security Council as the basis of ‘humanitarian intervention’ is applicable, it would be to act now to start protecting the people of Gaza from further pain and suffering.

        See Slouching Toward A Palestinian Holocaust, 07 July, 2007 link to countercurrents.org

        Another very distinguished expert in international law compiled a database of Palestinian civilian casualties during the 1st Intifada: M. Cherif Bassiouni, L. Cainkar , eds., The Palestinian Intifada – December 9, 1987 – December 8, 1988: A Record of Israeli Repression, Database Project on Palestinian Human Rights, Chicago 1989″. It has tabulated data including names locations, dates, and type of fatal wounds on scores of 3-13 yr-old children. Many were killed by multiple gunshot wounds to the head or chest.

        In 1998, Prof Francis Boyle, who successfully argued the Bosnian genocide case before the ICJ, stood in Gaza and recommended that “Palestine Should Sue Israel for Genocide before the International Court of Justice”. At one and the same time, he also recommended another lawsuit against “the United States before the International Court of Justice for aiding and abetting Israeli genocide against the Palestinian People in violation of Article III(e) of the 1948 Genocide Convention that expressly criminalizes “complicity” in genocide.

        Sure enough, in 2000 his article was reprinted when the UN Commission on Human Rights reported “widespread, systematic and gross violations of human rights perpetrated by the Israeli occupying Power, in particular mass killings and collective punishments, such as demolition of houses and closure of the Palestinian territories, measures which constitute war crimes, flagrant violations of international humanitarian law and crimes against humanity.” See E/CN.4/RES/S-5/1 19 October 2000 link to unispal.un.org

        I know for a fact that those views are shared by some of the members of the Genocide Watch advisory board. So it’s sort of inexplicable that the situation has escaped the attention of Prof. Stanton.

      • seanmcbride
        September 30, 2012, 11:23 am

        Hostage,

        I think GHStanton feels so intellectually overwhelmed by you that he doesn’t dare to even begin to enter into a dialogue and debate with you.

        Stanton is unable to defend his claims and arguments on Mondoweiss in free, open, fair and rational discussion.

      • ColinWright
        September 23, 2012, 7:13 pm

        GHStanton says: “Well, Mr. Wright, you just don’t know your facts. To quote Senator Daniel Moynihan, you are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to make up your facts. Leaders of the Iranian regime have called for the destruction of both Israel and Jews since 1979 on numerous occasions…”

        It’s possible I don’t know my facts — but you haven’t done anything to rectify that.

        That Iranian leaders have called for the destruction of Israel is not in dispute. However, while a search on ‘Iranian destruction Jews’ produces many, many hits for Jews calling for the destruction of Iran, it doesn’t seem to produce any hits at all for Iranians having called for the destruction of Jewry.

        Nor were you able to cite any. Nor do there appear to be any at the site you rather vaguely referred me to.

        I am a casual commentator on an internet forum. You are pretending to be an authoritative voice. How about substantiating your allegations?

    • Hostage
      September 23, 2012, 2:28 am

      Even if Iran had any genocidal intentions towards the inhabitants of Israel, she has no hope of carrying them out.

      In all fairness states frequently employ third parties, including paramilitary forces. Iran has provided arms, advisors, and financial support to a number of enemy entities that have staged attacks on the territory and people of Israel, e.g. Hezbollah and Hamas. Israel’s use of the insurgent MEK to stage attacks on the territory and people of Iran is another example. Both are analogous to a degree with the “Military and Paramilitary Activities in and against Nicaragua” case (Nicaragua v United States of America). In the latter case, the ICJ ruled that the victim state was in the best position to pursue a claim of aggression.

      Israel is a party to the Genocide Convention and is the purported victim state in this instance. So it’s a bit odd to suggest that Canada pursue the claim on Israel’s behalf. I doubt that would keep the Court from considering Iranian counter-claims regarding Israel’s nuclear weapons program, Israeli support for the MEK, and Israel’s record of launching illegal preemptive attacks on other nuclear facilities in Iraq and Syria. The genocide treaty does provide that any dispute over interpretation be settled by the ICJ. In theory, that would include this dispute too.

  15. seanmcbride
    September 23, 2012, 11:20 am

    GHStanton,

    1. Did opposition to apartheid South Africa signal an intent to commit genocide against Afrikaners?

    2. Did opposition to Nazi Germany signal an intent to commit genocide against Germans?

    3. Did opposition to Italian Fascism signal an intent to commit genocide against Italians?

    4. Did opposition to Imperial Japan (“Great Japan”) signal an intent to commit genocide against the Japanese?

    5. Did opposition to Maoist China signal an intent to commit genocide against the Chinese?

    6. Did opposition to the Confederacy signal an intent to commit genocide against white Christians?

    7. Did opposition to Pol Pot signal an intent to commit genocide Cambodians?

    8. Did opposition to the Soviet Union signal an intent to commit genocide against Russians?

    9. Is there any evidence from modern Iranian history to indicate that Iranians are inclined to commit genocide against Jews? How has Iran treated its Jewish citizens and residents?

    Have you really thought through these issues in depth?

    • piotr
      October 22, 2012, 1:11 am

      sean: sometimes the answer is “yes”. Firestorm in Tokyo, nukes in Hiroshima and Nagasaki were motivated by the opposition to the imperial Japanese regime. Opposition to Maoism was a chief (verbalized) motivation for the massacre of Communists in 1965 in Indonesia (disproportionally Chinese).

  16. seanmcbride
    September 23, 2012, 11:30 am

    GHStanton,

    Have you bothered to analyze in a formal and systematic way all the anti-Muslim and anti-Arab hate speech in the following media and propaganda outlets?

    1. American Thinker
    2. Atlas Shrugs
    3. CBN (Christian Broadcasting Network)
    4. Commentary
    5. CSP (Center for Security Policy)
    6. CUFI (Christians United for Israel)
    7. David Horowitz Freedom Center
    8. Fox News
    9. Free Republic
    10. Frontpage Magazine
    11. Gates of Vienna
    12. Gatestone Institute
    13. Israel National News
    14. Israpundit
    15. Jewish Press
    16. Jewish World Review
    17. Jihad Watch
    18. Middle East Forum
    19. National Review
    20. New York Post
    21. Newsmax
    22. Townhall.com
    23. Wall Street Journal
    24. Weekly Standard
    25. Worldnetdaily

    If not, why not?

  17. traintosiberia
    September 23, 2012, 3:16 pm

    Benjamin Netanyahu, September 12, 2002:

    “Today the United States must destroy the same regime because a nuclear-armed Saddam will place the security of our entire world at risk.”

    Mr Professor
    Can you help us understand why this is not incitement to Genocide according to your arguments on the statements of Iranian leaders?
    That guy from Israel get to dictate what US should do to Iran to prevent Iranian from destroying Israeli regime( according to Israeli explanations that whats Iran had said.There is no debate about what Yahooooo was saying ).

  18. Woody Tanaka
    September 23, 2012, 3:21 pm

    Stanton has shown that he’s a typical fool. If one wants israel to be respected, he must demand that israel respects others. To call for Ahmadinejad to be indicted in the Hague while not calling for any action against the israelis in light of their generation-long oppression, attempted genocide and occupation of Palestine demonstrates that he is a joke, a lackey in the service of the corrupt world status quo.

    Stanton, if you don’t have the balls to call for israel to answer for its real past and present crimes against humanity, then your call for your supposed crimes committed by Ahmadinejad is demonstrated as nonsense.

    • ColinWright
      September 23, 2012, 7:26 pm

      Woody Tanaka says: “Stanton has shown that he’s a typical fool…”

      What is alarming about that is not that it is so, but that he is given so much spurious authority and credence. It’s one thing if someone thinks that all the Hispanic illegals in this country are plotting to rise up and kill us — it’s another thing entirely if such an individual is accorded the status of academic authority.

      The guy spewing this tripe who is ‘professor of Genocide Studies and Prevention at George Mason University.’ To use a liberalism I normally detest, that’s ‘scarey.’ In this case, it actually is.

      Naturally, if he can actually cite specific quotes of the current Iran leadership calling for the destruction of Jewry per se, I’ll retract my statements. However — especially in view of the fact that such statements would conflict with the Qur’an — I’m betting he can’t. Unless and until that changes, his utterances can only be categorized as Islamophobic cant.

      • GHStanton
        September 29, 2012, 10:42 am

        Incitement to commit genocide against a national group is incitement to commit genocide. The Iranian leaders don’t have to incite to commit genocide against anyone other than the citizens of another nation for them to be guilty of direct and public incitement to commit genocide.

        The deniers who say that the Iranian leaders have not also incited genocide against Jews are also wrong. The Iranian leaders have incited genocide against Jews as well. The fools who read this blog (and I am resigning with this final posting) should know that Genocide Watch opposes discrimination against Palestinians, and also opposes war with Iran. We just refuse to bury our heads in the sand and ignore Iran’s continuous incitements to commit genocide against the nation of Israel since 1979.

      • seanmcbride
        September 29, 2012, 11:36 am

        GHStanton wrote:

        I am resigning with this final posting

        In other words, you are running away because you can’t engage in a real debate here in defense of your ideas.

      • Blake
        September 29, 2012, 11:49 am

        Pretending to be the victim when you usurping zionists are the aggressors is really repulsive.

      • ColinWright
        September 29, 2012, 2:08 pm

        GH Stanton says: “…The deniers who say that the Iranian leaders have not also incited genocide against Jews are also wrong…”

        I can’t believe you’re a professor. I asked you to produce evidence on this very claim, and you never did. You just tried out that ‘Well Mr Wright you just don’t know your facts…’ schtick.

        Now you’re here, shamelessly reiterating the claim, labeling those who question it ‘deniers,’ — and still not citing any evidence.

        All of this suggests either that (a) Emory University doesn’t have much in the way of standards, or that (b) things are even worse than I thought. Certainly argumentation this slip-shod wouldn’t stand up in any serious academic discipline.

        Until you demonstrate otherwise, you would appear to be a fraud. You cite non-existent facts, and when challenged fail to produce any evidence to support them.

      • Hostage
        September 30, 2012, 8:27 am

        Incitement to commit genocide against a national group is incitement to commit genocide. The Iranian leaders don’t have to incite to commit genocide against anyone other than the citizens of another nation for them to be guilty of direct and public incitement to commit genocide.

        That’s a tautological ipse dixit. The deliberate subtrefuges regarding WMDs that were employed by Bush and Blair in order to effect regime change in Iraq would be a much better example of that sort of thing in action.

        Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis were killed, millions were displaced or became exiled refugees, and thousands were wrongfully treated while being imprisoned. So is it illegal for a western head of state to incite the citizenry to wage an illegal war of aggression that destroys such a sizable portion of the targeted group or not? If you are going claim that they lacked the necessary mental element, then the same argument applies with greater force and effect in the case of the Iranians who have said the same things but done nothing about it.

        The fools who read this blog (and I am resigning with this final posting) should know that Genocide Watch opposes discrimination against Palestinians, and also opposes war with Iran. We just refuse to bury our heads in the sand and ignore Iran’s continuous incitements to commit genocide against the nation of Israel since 1979.

        Prof. William Schabas is a very distinguished legal scholar, and a person of Jewish ancestry. He is also a member of your Genocide Watch Advisory Board. He’s authored his own analysis of the charges against Ahmadinejad et al. for public incitement to commit genocide. It is not in agreement with the opinions that you’ve expressed here. See for example “Genocide and the United States Election”, link to humanrightsdoctorate.blogspot.com

      • GHStanton
        October 15, 2012, 9:20 pm

        Iranian Website Calls for Murder of All Jewish Israelis

        The Atlantic
        By Jeffrey Goldberg
        6 FEB 8 2012, 9:25 AM ET 74

        This just in from the Department of Non-Ambiguous Iranian Threats to Wipe Out The Jews: A regime-linked website, Alef, has produced an article calling on Iran to use its missile arsenal to kill all of Israel’s Jews, and describes just how this could be done. The author, Alireza Forghani, is linked to office of the Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Khamenei, and the article’s release coincided with Khamenei’s latest “Israel is a cancerous tumor” speech.

        Here’s a bit of Forghani wrote (you can read the entire translation on MEMRI’s website):
        “Israel is the only country in the world with a Jewish majority. According to the last census of [the] ‘Israel Central Bureau of Statistics,’ this country has a population of 7.5 million, including 5.8 million Jews. The other ethnicities in [its] population structure are Muslims, Christians, Druzes [sic], and Samarians. The largest ethnic minorities are [the] so-called Israeli Arabs.”
        “Residents of Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, and H[a]ifa can be targeted even by Shah[a]b 3 [missiles]. Population density in these three adjacent areas composes about 60% of [the total] Israeli population. Sejjil missiles can target power plants, sewage treatment facilities, energy resources, [and] transportation and [communication] infrastructures; and in the second stage, Shahab 3, Ghadr, and Ashura missiles can target urban settlements until [the] final annihilation of Israel[‘s] people.
        But here is my favorite part of the MEMRI entry:
        Alireza Forghani provides the following details about himself on his blog:
        [email protected]

        “Married, a resident of Tehran, born August 31, 1983
        “Telephone: 09124906386
        “Favorite book: The Absolute Rule of the Jurisprudent
        “Favorite sport: Jihad in fierce war”
        I’ve emailed at Forghani at his Yahoo address, seeking an interview.

        Copyright 2012 The Atlantic

      • Woody Tanaka
        October 16, 2012, 10:30 am

        “Iranian Website Calls for Murder of All Jewish Israelis”

        Please post that propaganda somewhere else. IOF Colonel Goldberg might read some blog post and get his panties in a twist, but the rest of us can read in context.

      • hophmi
        October 16, 2012, 10:46 am

        Excuse me. Just because you don’t like it doesn’t make it propaganda. If you have a source that contravenes this one, present it.

      • eljay
        October 16, 2012, 11:06 am

        >> Iranian Website Calls for Murder of All Jewish Israelis

        Did the Ayatollah Really Say: Kill all Jews, Annihilate Israel?

        Meanwhile, the good perfesser refuses to accept that Israel intends to commit genocide of Palestinians.

      • Hostage
        October 16, 2012, 12:26 pm

        Excuse me. Just because you don’t like it doesn’t make it propaganda.

        No, but it’s uncorroborated and comes from a well-known propaganda organization, MEMRI. It is run by (supposedly) former members of the Israeli intelligence service.

        *Selective Memri link to guardian.co.uk

        In the past, the US government has subsidized public propaganda campaigns to make its own “Iraqi National Congress” look like a legitimate organization and to create fear about Iraqi “Weapons of Mass Destruction” in order to help incite a war against the government of Iraq. MEMRI passed along reports that it claimed had indicated Iraqis were still trying to obtain WMDs and that Iraqis said they had a right to possess WMDs.

        *MEMRI Iraqi Press on Weapons of Mass Destruction, January 24, 2002
        link to memri.org

        *State Dept funding neocon-Zionist propaganda outfit
        link to warincontext.org

      • hophmi
        October 16, 2012, 12:34 pm

        “No, but it’s uncorroborated and comes from a well-known propaganda organization, MEMRI.”

        I’m aware that Brian Whitaker is not a fan. Nevertheless, it is generally respected outside of the pro-Palestinian community and is often cited in the NY Times, which is not a propaganda organization.

      • Woody Tanaka
        October 16, 2012, 1:16 pm

        “Excuse me. Just because you don’t like it doesn’t make it propaganda.”

        You have the correlation backwards, hoppy. It’s propaganda; whether I like it or not; my opinion of it cannot change the fact that it is, in fact, propaganda.

        “If you have a source that contravenes this one, present it.”

        No need. All one need do is read the MEMRI report (itself a master work of propaganda) and use one’s brain. (I know that’s a tough order for you zionists…) It’s self-contravening. Even if you take MEMRI at face value (someone no one should ever do), it’s a blog post discussing strategic and tactical issues in a hypothetical future conflict between the two states, a conflict which the author supports. (In this sense, he’s in company with people like John “Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran” McCain)

        Nowhere does it support IOF Corporal Goldberg’s title “Iranian Website Calls for Murder of All Jewish Israelis” nor the silly nonsensical “Department of Non-Ambiguous Iranian Threats to Wipe Out The Jews.”

        It’s the equivalent of a blog post by a Pam Gellar/Abe Foxman-type anti-Arab/anti-Muslim bigot saying we should “Nuke Mecca and Medina” and laying out the facts of how this attack could be done. IOF Corporal Goldberg’s report is propaganda.

      • seanmcbride
        October 16, 2012, 1:18 pm

        From Ynet News:

        link to ynetnews.com

        Forghani, who describes himself as an enthusiastic supporter of the Iranian government and a former member of the Revolutionary Guard’s Basij militia, stressed that the opinions presented in his post are his own and do not represent the regime’s position.

        How many pro-Israel bloggers have called for nuking Iran in recent years?

      • tree
        October 16, 2012, 1:37 pm

        Well, Stanton, I now have eve more disdain for you than I did during your previous foray here, believe it or not. Not only did you refuse to engage any of the numerous questions and attempts at dialog directed your way, now you come sneaking back in to post a disgusting bit of Jeffrey Goldberg’s tripe, after claiming earlier that you were “resigning” from the comment section.

        I’m not surprised that Goldberg thinks that only Jews count, and thus a piece by an Iranian author on the possibilities of an Iranian attack on Israel elicited Goldberg’s repulsive title, ” Iranian Website Calls for Murder of All Jewish Israelis”, because we all know that a million and a half non-Jewish Israelis aren’t important, only the Jewish ones are, right? You call yourself an expert on genocide and you can’t even recognize the negation and dehumanization of non-Jewish Israelis implicit in Goldberg’s piece.

        I found the Memri article that Goldberg used as his site. This is the link:

        link to memri.org

        Goldberg gets several things wrong in his article.

        Goldberg:

        A regime-linked website, Alef, has produced an article calling on Iran to use its missile arsenal to kill all of Israel’s Jews, and describes just how this could be done. The author, Alireza Forghani, is linked to office of the Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Khamenei, and the article’s release coincided with Khamenei’s latest “Israel is a cancerous tumor” speech.

        Forghani’s “link” to Khamenei, according to the Memri article, is this:

        Alireza Forghani, a staunch supporter of Iranian Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei[1] and, until recently, governor of Kish Province…

        So, Forghani is NOT linked to Khamanei, but is merely a “staunch” supporter. I might be a “staunch supporter” of some politician, but that does NOT imply that I am “linked” to such a politician. According to Memri, Forghani resigned as “governor of “Kish Province” due to conflicts with “pro-Ahmadinejad forces”. However, Memri seems to have gotten this wrong as well, since according to a quick Wikipedia check, there is no Kish Province. Kish is a city and a District in Bandar-Lengeh County, Hormozgan Province, Iran. 2006 census figures give it a population of 21,000. link to en.wikipedia.org
        So at most Forghani was the equivalent of a rural county commissioner in a small US state. The rural town I hope to retire to has more people in it than Kish District does.

        But even Memri admitted that Forghani’s article came “(A)s the reciprocal war of words between the Western and Iranian media escalated, and in response to Israeli declarations regarding the necessity of stopping Iran’s nuclear program with a military strike“.

        So, once again, you excuse Israeli threats against Iran, and use the military musings of an Iranian blogger with no direct connection to the Iranian regime to bolster your jaundiced view that Iran is threatening genocide.

        And by the way, another thing that Goldberg got wrong was that Memri did not claim to have the “entire translation”, only portions of it.

      • tree
        October 16, 2012, 1:51 pm

        I gave the wrong link to Memri, above. This link is to the piece Goldberg referred to.

        link to memri.org

        The earlier one was to Forghani’s article on possible Iranian attacks on US targets.

      • Woody Tanaka
        October 16, 2012, 2:47 pm

        “often cited in the NY Times, which is not a propaganda organization.”

        LMAO. No, it’s the unofficial newsletter of American zionism.

      • Hostage
        October 16, 2012, 8:15 pm

        I’m aware that Brian Whitaker is not a fan. Nevertheless, it is generally respected outside of the pro-Palestinian community and is often cited in the NY Times, which is not a propaganda organization.

        The NY Times has promulgated boat loads of propaganda. Even a jerk like you can’t successfully gloss over the role played by Judith Miller and the NY Times between 2002–2005 in inciting an unnecessary war in which hundreds of thousands were killed and millions were displaced and turned into refugees.

      • hophmi
        October 17, 2012, 10:55 am

        “Even a jerk like you”

        Ad hominem.

        “The NY Times has promulgated boat loads of propaganda”

        So has every newspaper on earth. Nevertheless, sans showing what you call propaganda is mistranslated or fabricated, you’re not gonna win this argument.

      • Hostage
        October 17, 2012, 7:10 pm

        Nevertheless, sans showing what you call propaganda is mistranslated or fabricated, you’re not gonna win this argument.

        Sure I would. Article IX of the genocide treaty only applies to the responsibility of a State for genocide or for any of the other acts enumerated in article III. None of the statements attributed to Iranian state officials satisfies the requisite element of intent to commit the genocide or evidence of mens rea. Compare that with the statements made by the government officials in the Rabbinate Authority or the IDF Rabbinate in Israel before and after Operation Cast Lead.

        Forghani stressed that the opinions presented in his post are his own and do not represent the regime’s position.

  19. Frankie P
    September 23, 2012, 7:30 pm

    Folks,

    You’re missing the point here. Congratulations on blowing the entirely flawed argument of one Mr. G H Stanton out of the water. It wasn’t a difficult task for the likes of a group of people who are educated and informed on the I/P issue, the Middle East, etc. Now why don’t you focus on Mr. G H Stanton, a man who also has to earn a living, raise a family, take care of his own, etc. There are countless like this who focus on, when push comes to shove, one issue: bread / butter. Who is buttering his bread?

    Frankie P

    • Taxi
      September 24, 2012, 12:46 am

      You mean who paid GH to enter the Iran/israel ring?

      Uhuh yeah I wondered that too.

      And I’m very annoyed with mondo folks here for respectfully referring to GH as ‘professor’/Mr./doctor etc. WTF?! The dude is a paid islamophobic bombast and his academic title therefore is didlysquat! I’ve met janitors with more morals and sense who would NEVER run people over just cuz their name (Hassan) is moslem.

      Islamophobes are really coming outta the woodwork in 2012 and non of them deserve respect – all they deserve is to be spotlighted, publicly Named and Shamed.

      Good work Alison.

    • GHStanton
      October 16, 2012, 12:49 pm

      I earn no salary at George Mason University, and have never made a penny from Genocide Watch. I am retired. My bread is buttered by the Social Security Administration. This is another example of the libels thrown about so freely on Mondoweiss, which supposedly has an unenforced policy against libel.

  20. GHStanton
    September 29, 2012, 10:46 am

    Shameful libel and demonstrable denial, Alison. Here is testimony I gave before the Canadian Parliament. I dare Mondoweiss to post it.

    Taking Iran’s Incitement to Genocide Seriously
    Testimony before the Subcommittee on International Human Rights of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Development of the Parliament of Canada

    By Professor Gregory H. Stanton
    5 May 2009
    German Chancellor Angela Merkel was the first world leader to recognize the connection between Iran’s uranium enrichment, its testing of long distance missiles, and the genocidal statements of its president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. A day after declaring that Israel “should be wiped off the map” on October 25, 2005, he incited students to scream “death to Israel,” at a government-sponsored conference called the “World without Zionism.”
    Chancellor Merkel declared: “A president that questions Israel’s right to exist [and] denies the Holocaust, cannot expect to receive any tolerance from Germany. We have learned our history.” Will Chancellor Merkel’s warnings of the parallels between Iran’s actions today and Nazi Germany’s first steps towards genocide in the 1930’s prod the world into effective deterrent action?
    On 28 October, 2005, the UN Security Council condemned the words of the Iranian president. While the Security Council only issued a press statement – the weakest form of expression – it was still a diplomatic defeat for Iran. Despite numerous U.N. Resolutions since, Iran continues to develop nuclear weapons, and its leadership has not changed its apocalyptic views.
    On 1 February 2006, The International Association of Genocide Scholars (IAGS) passed a resolution (See Appendix ) noting that Iran’s actions, including Ahmadinejad’s statements, are early warning signs of genocide. These signs include open expressions of an exclusionary ideology characterized by hate speech, an authoritarian government that represses dissent, the organization of fanatical militias, such as the Revolutionary Guards, and a sustained record of support for terror attacks against Jews around the world. In December 2005, President Ahmadinejad added to the list the denial of a past genocide, the Holocaust. The U.N. Security Council and Secretary-General condemned his statements.
    Indifference to incitement and inaction by the outside world, most notably the United Nations itself, are other warning signs – as we have seen in the Armenian Genocide, the Holocaust, Bosnia, Kosovo, Rwanda, Darfur and elsewhere in the world.
    The development of a covert nuclear weapons program and long-range missiles by a state whose leader declares genocidal intent states the case for urgent deterrent actions. As we address the Iranian threat, it is helpful to recall that genocide was the most deadly crime against humanity in the 20th century, resulting in some 250 million preventable deaths: more than from all wars combined.
    The Genocidal Process
    Genocide is not an accident. It develops in a predictable process. I have analyzed most of the genocides in recent history and have discovered a predictable pattern. I call the process the Eight Stages of Genocide. (See Appendix 2.) Every one of the first six stages has already happened in Iran.
    Historians have established that governmental incitement and use of hate language is a recognized predictor, initiator, promoter and catalyst of genocide. The direct and public incitements to genocide by Iran’s President are not only openly stated declarations of aggressive intent, but are in violation of Art. 2 (4) of the UN Charter, of the Genocide Convention, and the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court, Articles 6 and 25 (3)(e).
    President Ahmadinejad’s attempted “clarification” that he merely advocates the “transfer” of Jews in Israel to German and Austrian provinces is itself advocacy of forced deportation, another crime against humanity, and is contradicted by his own actions and long-term Iranian policy, including terror attacks on Jews outside Israel, such as the bombing of a synagogue in Buenos Aries, the arming of Hezbollah and Hamas, and advocacy of murder of Jews everywhere by Iranian financed media such as Palestinian television. Palestinian Authority television carried a Friday sermon calling for the butchering of all Jews everywhere.
    Iran could soon be an independent nuclear power, possessing advanced missile delivery systems. Iran has never renounced its aggressive and genocidal aims against the Jews of the State of Israel and elsewhere, which are longstanding policy. In 2000, Iran’s supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei told Muslim worshippers in Teheran, referring to Israel: “We have repeatedly said that this cancerous tumor of a state should be removed from the region.”
    The unprecedented threat of nuclear genocide necessitates an urgent response because, aside from the clear warning signs we have indicated, an actual apocalyptic nuclear attack could occur without further warning sufficient to engage in preventative action. Israel is a small country that can be reached within minutes by Iranian ballistic missiles. It is densely populated, and home to the largest number of Holocaust survivors in the world. Time is of the essence and delay could be catastrophic.
    The Responsibility to Protect
    The ethical principle that needs to guide international action to prevent all genocidal threats is that human life is the most fundamental human right, because without life there are no other human rights. Canada has been the most important leader in creating a newly emerging norm of international law. The International Commission on Intervention and State Sovereignty sponsored by the Canadian government defined what is now called “the Responsibility to Protect,” which was affirmed in the Millennnium Summit Outcome of 2005. It is based on the principle that the international obligation to protect human life and well-being overrides the sovereignty claims of any government whose actions demonstrate genocidal intent.
    The Precautionary Principle
    Because the dangers of inaction could be catastrophic, we repeat the calls of Genocide Watch, the Hebrew University Genocide and Violence Prevention Program’s petition, and the International Association for Genocide Scholars call for the application of the Precautionary Principle, a powerful tool for decision making in public health, for prevention of this and all other genocidal threats. This principle states that when there is uncertainty concerning the risk from a situation with potentially catastrophic effects upon human health and safety, the risks of inaction far outweigh those of preventive action.
    The Precautionary Principle – which British Foreign Minister Jack Straw has already applied to this case – shifts the burden of proof from those warning of a risk of catastrophic event to those denying this risk. Preventive action, of course, means the obligatory imposition of effective sanctions to prevent Iranian development of nuclear weapons, and includes immediate and continuous IAEA inspections of all Iranian nuclear facilities, as well as confiscation of all technology, equipment, and nuclear material that could be used by Iran to manufacture nuclear weapons.
    Because the obligation to protect life and safety overrides state sovereignty, Iran’s genocidal declarations and actions undermine its claims to responsibly utilize its nuclear material for peaceful means.
    All this, however, is insufficient. Historians have recognized that genocide results from the conscious choices of elites and occurs when there is indifference of outsiders to early warning signs, particularly hate language that serves to catalyze genocidal actions.
    Accordingly the UN Security Council should follow the landmark precedent of its referral of Sudanese leaders to the International Criminal Court (ICC) and refer Mr. Ahmadinejad, to the ICC for indictment for incitement to commit genocide. Canada, as a state-party to the Genocide Convention, should also take a case against Iran to the International Court of Justice for violation of that convention through its incitement.
    Those convicted for incitement to commit genocide by the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda and sentenced to prison terms up to life imprisonment included Rwanda’s former prime minister, a historian, a newspaper editor, a minister of information, and a journalist. Ahmedinijad, Khameini and other specific perpetrators must be stopped. Economic sanctions which would target the Iranian people collectively should be rejected. Iran has a glorious past and culture, which this president definitely does not represent.
    It is time for the UN to go from commemorating past genocides, such as the Holocaust and Rwanda, to stopping current genocides such as is now raging in Darfur Sudan, and deterring and preventing future ones.
    Indicting President Ahmadinejad for incitement to commit genocide would send a clear non-violent message to Iran’s authoritarian leaders to back down from pursuing a genocidal ideology. It would be a major step towards deterring others planning future Bosnias, Kosovos, Rwandas and Darfurs. Chancellor Merkel has reminded us of the consequences of the world’s ineffectual response to Hitler in the 1930’s.
    The world now has to choose between indifference and deterrence, not only to “save Israel,” but to save itself. Consider these two chilling facts:

    1. Iran is the only country since Nazi Germany that has openly expressed its genocidal intent to wipe another nation off the map while pursuing a program to develop nuclear weapons. Few believed that Hitler was serious about his genocidal intentions until Nazis carried out the Holocaust. The Iranian President denies that the Holocaust even happened.

    2. The country most likely to be black-mailed by an Iran with nuclear weapons is Israel. Suppose that Iran demands that Israel pull back to its 1967 borders and allow all Palestinians to return to their pre-1948 homes? Israel says “Nuts!” Iran then repeats its threat to “wipe Israel off the map,” arms its missiles, and supports Hezbollah terrorist infiltration into Israel. Would Israel launch a pre-emptive nuclear strike on Iran knowing that Iran’s nuclear retaliation would result in Israel’s self-destruction?

    Iran’s nuclear weapons program must be stopped. NATO’s nuclear shield should explicitly be invoked to protect Israel. Canada should use its full legal and diplomatic force to prevent this genocide in the making.

    • Shegetz
      September 29, 2012, 3:42 pm

      German Chancellor Angela Merkel was the first world leader to recognize the connection between Iran’s uranium enrichment, its testing of long distance missiles, and the genocidal statements of its president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. A day after declaring that Israel “should be wiped off the map” on October 25, 2005, he incited students to scream “death to Israel,” at a government-sponsored conference called the “World without Zionism.”

      Really? This is what you’re peddling? The people here might be fools, but only in that fools go where Angels fear to tread. You? I’m not sure if you’re ignorant, lazy, or just plain dishonest.

      Why? Because you’re using a baked quote. Ahmadinejad never said the above. Even Dan Meridor agrees he’s misquoted here. Not only is Ahmadinejad quoting Khomeini for your lovely damning quote, but it’s also not at all what Khomeini meant, let alone Ahmadinejad.

      You should know this already.

      But, Shimon Peres can say Iran ‘can also be wiped off the map’ in plain English and that doesn’t count as a provocation or step towards ‘Persian Genocide’ does it?

      So you’re either an idiot or a liar. I suspect from your behavior here that you’re both. I suggest some remedial college courses on how to do basic research as you’re pretty much an embarrassment of a so-called ‘academic’ as it stands.

      But please, go on. Keep pestering people here over stupid claims about copyright, libel and other fluffy nonsense that obviously in your world has more value than human dignity or life.

      Keep avoiding answering straightforward questions and keep mindlessly posting badly formatted, unreadable blocks of text that contain errors and falsehoods that any teen with Google can refute in about 15 seconds.

      It shows us the true character and make up of the cretins that push this kind of scurrilous nonsense. Like Geller’s ads your each and every comment is solid gold.

      • Hostage
        September 30, 2012, 12:52 pm

        German Chancellor Angela Merkel was the first world leader to recognize the connection between Iran’s uranium enrichment, its testing of long distance missiles, and the genocidal statements of its president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. . . . Really? This is what you’re peddling?

        I know. It’s amazing that her extraordinary powers of recognition didn’t pickup the fact that she was supplying Israel with submarines capable of being armed with nuclear weapons long after Prime Minister Olmert had admitted on German television that Israel had them. See
        *YNET Olmert: Iran wants nuclear weapons like Israel: (VIDEO) Ahead of his first visit to Germany as prime minister, Olmert forced to deal with embarrassing slip of the tongue in interview with German TV, saying Iran aspires to possess nuclear weapons like US, France, Israel and Russia. — link to ynetnews.com

        *SPIEGEL Israel’s Deployment of Nuclear Missiles on Subs from Germany: Many have wondered for years about the exact capabilities of the submarines Germany exports to Israel. Now, experts in Germany and Israel have confirmed that nuclear-tipped missiles have been deployed on the vessels. And the German government has long known about it.link to spiegel.de

        It’s really incredible that she can’t grasp what it means when Netanyahu and Barak refuse to provide an honest answer on that subject in speeches and interviews, while making bellicose pronouncements about “all options” being “on the table” and Israel’s “right to self-defence”. After all, if you consider the covert operations that these two sociopaths have green lighted involving stolen passports, assassinations or failed attempts in Jordan, Dubai, and Iran – or massacres of the passengers of the humanitarian aid flotillas in international waters – then you’d just about have to conclude that these guys are the real deal when it comes to genocidal nutcases.

    • walktallhangloose
      September 30, 2012, 10:26 am

      No Iranian government official has ever expressed any genocidal aims, or carried out any genocidal actions, against Jews.

      Let’s analyse some examples of remarks that are supposed to indicate genocidal intent:

      “This cancerous tumor of a state should be removed from the region.”

      “The regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the pages of time”

      “Stand firm and resist, and Israel will be destroyed”

      “Death to Israel”.

      It is clear that all these examples are calling for an end to the political entity that is Israel. This is not the same thing as killing all of its Jewish citizens, let alone all Jews worldwide. States come and go all the time. The USSR no longer exists, but no-one committed genocide against its citizens. The same applies to Yugoslavia. Nor does attacking a state with nuclear weapons cause it to be annihilated: Japan was attacked with nuclear weapons, but it still exists. Suppose I expressed the following view on the Israel-Palestine issue: that there should be a single secular democratic state in geographic Palestine west of the Jordan (not called Israel). Then Israel would cease to exist. Would you accuse me of genocidal intent?

      The acid test of Iranian official attitude to Jewish people is their relationship with the Jewish community in Iran. The founding leader of the Islamic Republic, Ayatollah Khomeini, urged Iranians to distinguish clearly between their own ancient Jewish community and the Zionists. When Khatami was president, he paid an official and very cordial visit to one of the largest synagogues in Iran. The official Jewish representative in the Iranian parliament felt free to complained about the Holocaust denial activities of Ahmadinejad, and the Supreme Leader Khamenei has forbidden all Iranian officials from denying the Holocaust, thus shutting up his president. Are the Jews in Iran fearing for their lives? No.

    • amigo
      October 16, 2012, 7:27 am

      Seek help fella and do it soon.

      Apologies , this comment was meant for Stanton.

    • Mooser
      October 16, 2012, 1:53 pm

      “I dare Mondoweiss to post it.”

      That’s usually an indication that pressing the “delete” button is the best response.

  21. GHStanton
    September 29, 2012, 11:03 am

    Has the Times of Israel pointed out that Alison Deger’s unauthorized use of the photo of Prof. Gregory H. Stanton and her lengthy quotes from The Times of Israel (without permission) violate copyright laws?
    Will the scurrilous Ms. Deger remove her libelous attacks on Gregory Stanton in her post?
    If she will not do so, why has she not undertaken the research to correct her false light libel by looking up the news articles that show that her portrayal of Prof. Stanton is false. Far from a “checkered” career in the State Department, Stanton in 1994 won the American Foreign Service Association’s W. Averell Harriman Award for “extraordinary contributions to the practice of diplomacy exemplifying intellectual courage and a zeal for creative accomplishment.” Only one award is given per year.

    • ColinWright
      September 29, 2012, 3:14 pm

      GH Stanton says: “…Has the Times of Israel pointed out that Alison Deger’s unauthorized use of the photo of Prof. Gregory H. Stanton and her lengthy quotes from The Times of Israel (without permission) violate copyright laws?
      Will the scurrilous Ms. Deger remove her libelous attacks on Gregory Stanton in her post?…”

      Rather than defend your views, you’ve first resorted to veiled insult and now to attempts at legal intimidation.

      I was just posting about the tactics your type uses. Now you’re proving my point.

      • GHStanton
        October 16, 2012, 1:16 pm

        Pointing out libel is not legal intimidation. It is pointing out a legal fact that may very well result in a lawsuit against Allison Deger and Mondoweiss for personal libel against me (Deger did not even bother to find out how the case turned out, which she got completely wrong) and for complete misrepresentation of what I said in my speech in Jerusalem in which I most certainly did not “push Israel to war” against Iran. In fact, if she had read or listened to my speech, I said I strongly opposed war with Iran, which could result in a nuclear Armageddon. What I proposed was a lawsuit in the International Court of Justice against Iran for direct and public incitement to commit genocide against a national group, the nation of Israel.

    • ColinWright
      September 29, 2012, 3:26 pm

      GHStanton says: “Will the scurrilous Ms. Deger remove her libelous attacks on Gregory Stanton in her post?”

      Nice try. All Allison said was that (a) you had been fired, and that (b) you had a ‘chequered past.’ Given that you yourself admit that you had to be reinstated in your position, it seems reasonable to describe you as having been dismissed from it, and ‘chequered past’ seems reasonable as well.

      As to the picture and the ‘lengthy quotes,’ you’re a public figure, the Times of Israel is a public source, and there’s no question of any commercial reward. Good luck on that one.

      In case Allison or Mondoweiss nevertheless feel the chilling breath of intimidation, I’ll put a little of my money where my mouth is. I’ll contribute $100.00 towards defraying any legitimate legal expenses of $1000.00 or more resulting from any actions this ____ may attempt to bring.

      I now have complete and unqualified contempt for you, Mr Stanton. I wouldn’t let you date my dog.

      • Donald
        September 29, 2012, 5:15 pm

        “I wouldn’t let you date my dog.”

        Well, that’s a rather patriarchal attitude. Shouldn’t your dog be free to make her own decisions on who she associates with, so long as she is over 18 in dog years?

      • piotr
        October 16, 2012, 6:02 am

        I wonder how one can compare the quality of credentials of Scott Ritter and Dr. Stanton. I think that what was revealed about Ritter does not have much bearing on his expertise on arms control, experience with inspections, interference of intelligence agencies etc. By the way of contrast, whacking a Persian over a dispute concerning 4.50 in overdue fees suggests a prejudice toward Iran. Moreover, Stanton did it because he was off his meds which frankly makes me wonder what condition is he medicating. Paranoid delusions?

        If so, it is a credit to his treatment that he ordinarily is not physically menacing people. But I would not be surprised if the paranoia cannot be eliminated completely.

        Take the case of Alireza Forghani. Is he a consultant of the Supreme leader or a computer programmer who is also a blogger? I would not take MEMRI opinion on that as a definite proof. What officials link to Forghani? I once was web surfing and I have encountered the web site of the Supreme Leader. The easiest info I could get was astronomical: like many other religious organizations, Iranian Shia do not rely on others in their determination of exact timing of phases of the moon that in turn determine dates of religious observances. Then you could access nicely organized theological advices to the faithful. I did not notice any links to blogs.

        On the other hand, some loud mouths from the entourage of Ahmedinejad were arrested. Note also differences between the Supreme Leader and Ahmedinejad on the point of Holocaust. To make a sober assessment of the situation, imagine Israel where Ovadia Josef would be a Supreme Leader. On one hand, there would be much less personal liberties. On the other, Josef is against waging of risky wars without being the least bit friendly to putative targets like Iran.

        That said, I deeply appreciate the participation of Dr. Stanton in this discussion.

      • GHStanton
        October 16, 2012, 1:43 pm

        No, I have never had “paranoid delusions.” And I was not “off my meds.” In fact, an incompetent State Department psychiatrist prescribed a triple dose (note that – a triple dose) of Prozac when I was in Bangkok in 1994 because I was depressed when my son was continuously sickened by the air pollution there. We eventually had to curtail because of his health. The psychiatrist didn’t even take a history.
        After the 1998 incident, which is unique in my entire life, I finally was diagnosed by a competent psychiatrist as having a mild form of Bipolar II Syndrome. As the chief State Department psychiatrist testified for me in court, if one is mildly bipolar (Bipolar II), as I was and still am, PROZAC is like pouring gasoline on a fire. When you become hypomanic, it can cause a manic episode, as it did in 1998. Since that episode I have taken the proper mood stabilizer (Depakote) and have never had another manic episode in my life. So you amateur psychiatrists, who incompetently are trying to figure out why I am warning of the dangers of taking Iran’s incitements against Israel seriously, stop the libels against me, and start listening to what I am saying.
        I am not anti-Palestinian and certainly recognize that Israel has committed many human rights violations against Palestinians. And they should end.
        But when will Palestinian leaders in Hamas stop declaring their own intention to destroy Israel?
        Mondoweiss is just another petty anti-Israel hate site. I have asked to be taken off as a subscriber. I don’t have time to read such garbage.

      • Mooser
        October 16, 2012, 2:01 pm

        “Shouldn’t your dog be free to make her own decisions on who she associates with, so long as she is over 18 in dog years?”

        Ultimately, yes, of course, but don’t you think it behooves us (I’ve always enjoyed being behooved, you know) to offer a little counsel, a few bits of advice, which could make all the difference in her future happiness?
        Me, I got my Dora spayed right away. I have no illusions about either her taste or her morality. The dog tries to French-kiss me!

      • eljay
        October 16, 2012, 2:45 pm

        >> I am not anti-Palestinian and certainly recognize that Israel has committed many human rights violations against Palestinians. And they should end.

        By your own argument…

        That’s exactly what Jews in Europe used as an excuse for their denial before the Holocaust began. “They aren’t killing us. They are just discriminating against us. So they won’t kill us.” We now know how wrong they were.

        …Israel, which routinely discriminates against Palestinians – both within Israel proper and within the territories Israel illegally occupies – and which, by your own admission just now, “has committed many human rights violations against Palestinians”, is unquestionably planning genocide. But for some reason, the extent of your concern is limited to “And they should end.” The level of denial is telling.

        >> Mondoweiss is just another petty anti-Israel hate site.

        From the mouths of anti-Iranian, Zio-supremacist warmongers, eh? Too funny… :-)

      • Woody Tanaka
        October 16, 2012, 2:53 pm

        “Mondoweiss is just another petty anti-Israel hate site. I have asked to be taken off as a subscriber. I don’t have time to read such garbage.”

        Who wants to bet he posts again?

      • seanmcbride
        October 16, 2012, 2:58 pm

        GHStanton,

        Do you have any comments on this?

        link to democraticunderground.com

        Reza Kahlili = a low-rent Ahmed Chalabi (along with dozens of other ex-Iranian fear-mongers, con artists, opportunists, etc).

        Reza Kahlili link to voices.washingtonpost.com completely misrepresents sources, falsely claims one website is doing something, when it is another, purposely misquotes, etc. All in all pretty much standard fair for this huckster scam artist. Kahlili is a so-called, self-proclaimed ‘CIA-affiliated’ disinfo agent, a darling of the Pam Geller, et al nutcase neo-con war monger crowd. He has been repeatedly debunked at all levels. He claims that Iran has has full-blown nuclear warheads for years. link to washingtontimes.com He is one of the biggest pushers of the ‘Iranian EMP weapon will end most life in the USA’ myth, which is laughable link to nytimes.com in its utter disregard of all known nuclear weapons science, as well as basic physics. link to alternet.org

        The sham article ‘Ayatollah Ali Khamenei calls for destruction of Israel, Jews’ (a ‘Saddam tossing babies from incubators’ level piece of propaganda) was near the top on the Drudge Report, and is now being picked up and expanded upon by more and more news sources each day, and if not checked, will go down a ‘common wisdom’.

      • LeaNder
        October 16, 2012, 3:40 pm

        you are simply the best, Moose.

        My mother once took a wonderful photograph showing three dogs in front of the house of a female prospective partner on heat patiently waiting one next to the other. They must have been waiting there for quite some time since at that point icicles dangled down from their snouts. Wonderful picture, frozen eagerness.

        After this: The dog tries to French-kiss me!

        I believe you that your Christmas interview featuring Dora was at least partially real. I still doubt your wife’s light bulb hair ornaments though; if you don’t mind, no matter how impressive it was in context. ;)

      • piotr
        October 18, 2012, 5:17 pm

        If you resemble this individual, I can understand the appeal to a canine female.

      • GHStanton
        October 16, 2012, 1:21 pm

        I was never fired. There is a process to do that in the State Department and some people tried to use it, but my appeal to the Foreign Service Review Board stopped them in their tracks. The FSRB ordered the State Department to keep me in the Foreign Service and the State Department. But I couldn’t compel the State Department to remove the evaluation of the supervisor who said I did not realize the State Department is a hierarchical organization (a fact I was thoroughly aware of) which was fatal to the State Department’s tenure decision taken in 1999. Many people do not receive tenure. They are not “fired.” The irony was that my supervisor’s evaluation came in the same day I won the Harriman Award for intellectual courage for opposing US policy during the Rwandan genocide.

  22. ColinWright
    September 29, 2012, 2:19 pm

    And I scanned through that, and there’s still no citation of evidence that Iran has called for genocide against Jews.

    A great deal of innuendo, several questionable assertions, and an attempt or two to establish guilt by association.

    As far as I can seem GH Stanton is a travesty of an academic. It’s disheartening to see somebody like him is able to obtain a position at what I assume is a credible university.

    I’m reminded of a joke an employee of mine made once when we were packing up what was a rather impressive collection of Marxist literature. ‘I hope sir, that you are not a school teacher.’

    Well, Mr Stanton is a school teacher.

    • GHStanton
      October 16, 2012, 1:24 pm

      Actually, I have been a distinguished professor at two very good universities. Has Colin Wright? Or is he wrong as usual?

  23. ColinWright
    September 29, 2012, 3:10 pm

    We should play this the Zionist way. Start a concerted screech and caw to get Stanton drummed out of Emory. Harass his landlord until he’s evicted. Send him reams of hate mail. Keep it up until he’s figuratively on his knees, publicly recanting ala Goldstone and begging for mercy. What are Stanton’s social affiliations? Can we get him thrown out of his golf club?

    Not really…but Jesus. These guys do play dirty, and they do win.

  24. ColinWright
    September 29, 2012, 4:26 pm

    GH Stanton says (rather mysteriously referring to himself in the third person): “…Stanton in 1994 won the American Foreign Service Association’s W. Averell Harriman Award for “extraordinary contributions to the practice of diplomacy exemplifying intellectual courage and a zeal for creative accomplishment.”’

    I’ve certainly seen evidence of ‘a zeal for creative accomplishment.’ But what happened to the intellectual courage?

  25. ColinWright
    September 29, 2012, 5:21 pm

    This is a game the Zionists play — the endless threats of legal and other consequences if you continue to oppose them.

    Intellectually, one realizes the particular threat in question may not have a foundation — but there is always a chilling breath, and one is encouraged to desist.

    The tactic works. Perhaps we should adopt it. Quit playing nice. Make it hard to be a Zionist.

    Think about what has happened to Finkelstein. What almost happened to Abu El Haj. Compile a list of lil’ Zionists making their way up the academic ladder. Torch the fuckers.

    It’s not nice, but we let these people win. How long are we going to acquiesce in it?

  26. ColinWright
    September 29, 2012, 6:12 pm

    Shades of 1984…

    GH Stanton peddles his cant out of what Emory University is pleased to call its ‘School of Conflict Analysis and Resolution.’

    As far as I can see, Stanton is promoting the exact opposite of that. ‘…the Ministry of Love, dedicated to hate, the Ministry of Peace, dedicated to war…’

    • straightline
      September 30, 2012, 10:09 pm

      You talk about Emory University, Colin, but I can’t find a connection of Gregory Stanton to that organization. He does appear to have affiliations with Mary Washington University and with George Mason University. Whatever, if his posts here are anything to go by, he seems to be a little lacking in the kind of intellectual objectivity one would expect of an academic at either of those two organizations. I hope he is not citing the posts as a publication.

  27. YoungMassJew
    September 29, 2012, 10:42 pm

    I didn’t want to get involved in responding to Stanton’s nonsense but, distinguished professor, please tell me how Iran would exterminate the Jews with nuclear weapons without killing millions of Muslims who live in close proximity to the Jews? Please tell me. I want to know. Sir, you are ignoring the power differential between Israel and Iran. In practice, Israel is the only country in the region that has the operational capacity with 200+ nuclear weapons to actually commit a genocide with blanket immunity from U.S. Empire via the UN Security Council. Iran may have terror cells, but so do many countries. Simply put, the Jews are at the seat of Empire now in the U.S. and aren’t even remotely in the same position they were in in Eastern Europe without any protection. Despite what the leaders may or may not have said, they are blowing off steam cause they’re fricken tired of Jewish hypocricy of Israel’s war crimes and the Holocaust used as justification for IDF war crimes against Palestinians indefinitley. Take away the Nakba, and the ethnic cleansing and apartheid that insued and the Pres of Iran wouldn’t be making these statements. The Islamic leaders are tired of the hypocricy so they say these things to get a reaction.

  28. GHStanton
    October 16, 2012, 1:49 pm

    Sticks and Stones May Break Your Bones, But Hateful Words Can Kill You
    By Professor Gregory H. Stanton1
    When Raphael Lemkin coined the word “genocide”, he included many of the precursors that lead to the actual killing most people think of as “genocide.”
    “By “genocide” we mean the destruction of a nation or of an ethnic group…. Generally speaking, genocide does not necessarily mean the immediate destruction of a nation, except when accomplished by mass killings of all members of a nation. It is intended rather to signify a coordinated plan of different actions aiming at the destruction of essential foundations of the life of national groups, with the aim of annihilating the groups themselves. The objectives of such a plan would be disintegration of the political and social institutions, of culture, language, national feelings, religion, and the economic existence of national groups, and the destruction of the personal security, liberty, health, dignity, and even the lives of the individuals belonging to such groups.”
    Much of what Lemkin included in his definition of genocide was cut from the Genocide Convention, so the precursors have been ignored.
    But one of the precursors was included: “direct and public incitement to commit genocide.” The most famous cases of incitement were the Streicher case at Nuremberg and the Media Case in the Rwanda Tribunal.
    Streicher published Der Stürmer, which was filled with Nazi vilification of Jews and portrayed them as devils, rats, vampires, and other symbols of evil.
    In the Media Case at the ICTR, three defendants were convicted of incitement to commit genocide:
    Hassan Ngeze published Kangura, a virulently anti-Tutsi newspaper that called Tutsis “cockroaches” and included one front page that said simply “the final solution to the Tutsi problem” beside a picture of a Tutsi and a machete.
    Jean-Bosco Barayagwiza was a founder of the Hutu Power party, CDR, that rejected the 1993 Arusha Peace Accords, called for the overthrow of President Habyarimana and the Hutu Prime Minister for signing the Accords, and defined all Tutsis as national enemies. Barayagwiza supervised the CDR youth militias that slaughtered countless Tutsis at barricades all over Rwanda.
    Ferdinand Nahimana, the Dean of the Faculty of Letters at the National University of Rwanda, was a founder of the notorious Radio Television Libre des Milles Collines (RTLM), which began broadcasting anti-Tutsi propaganda in July 1993. All Tutsis were “inyenzi” (cockroaches) and the RPF and their “inkotanyi” (accomplices) “should all stand up so that we kill the Inkotanyi and exterminate them…the reason we will exterminate them is that they belong to one ethnic group.” During the genocide, RTLM alerted killing squads to cars carrying Tutsis that should be stopped at roadblocks so their passengers could be murdered.
    Academic lawyers have tried to distinguish “hate speech” from “incitement to commit genocide,”2 based on the travaux of the Genocide Convention. They claimed in an Amicus brief to the Appeals Court of the ICTR that the Trial Court had confused the two. But the Appeals Court soundly rejected such arguments, pointing out that “hate speech” has been prohibited in
    1 President, Genocide Watch; Research Professor in Genocide Studies and Prevention, School for Conflict Analysis and Resolution, George Mason University, Arlington, VA
    2 Notably Diane Orentlicher, in “Criminalizing Hate Speech in the Crucible of Trial: Prosecutor v. Nahimana,” 21 Am. U. Int’l L. Rev. 557 2005-2006.
    
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    many countries, and that laws against hate speech may even be required by Article 20, paragraph 2 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, which states: “Any advocacy of national, racial, or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility, or violence shall be prohibited by law.”
    Critics of the Nahimana judgment, mostly of the absolutist American “free speech” school, distinguish what they believe should be “protected” hate speech from “incitement to commit genocide” by the equivalent of a “clear and present danger test” that would find incitement only when there is a direct and immediate likelihood that the acts advocated by the speaker would be carried out. On such grounds, they agree that all three defendants in the Nahimana should have been found guilty of incitement to commit genocide, but that “hate speech” should not be outlawed.
    The problem with such academic theories is that they ignore the development of a “culture of genocide” in countries at risk of committing it. Few, if any, of such theorists have ever lived in a society where the process of genocide was being intentionally promoted by leaders of hate groups.
    I lived in Rwanda in 1988 – 1989. I had been asked as an academic specialist on judicial systems to help the Ministry of Justice find ways to unclog the civil and criminal court system, where cases took an average of five years. (Among the suggestions I made was revival of the gaçaça system for settling many local disputes.) The RPF had not yet invaded Rwanda from Uganda, but there had already been genocidal massacres against Tutsis in 1959 – 1962 and many times since.
    At dinner one evening with the President of the equivalent of the Rwandan Supreme Court, a moderate Hutu named Joseph Kavaruganda, we discussed the pernicious effects of the ethnic classifications on Rwandan identity cards.
    “These could be used to facilitate genocide,” I remarked.
    “They already have been,” he replied.
    “Can’t you declare the ethnic identification unconstitutional,” I asked.
    “We don’t have judicial review,” he answered. “You’ll have to take that to President Habyarimana, himself.”
    So I requested an audience with the President. He was very cordial and thanked me for my work. But when I brought up the subject of the ethnic identification on ID cards, it was as though his face froze. I later realized I was talking to the wrong man. President Habyarimana had led some of the genocidal massacres of Tutsis during President Kayibanda’s rule.
    My friend, the Hutu moderate, Joseph Kavaruganda, was hounded by CDR extremists just before the genocide, and he was one of the first to be murdered, along with the Hutu moderate Prime Minister.
    Repeated Hate Speech can become Incitement to Commit Genocide.
    Hate speech, repeated hundreds and thousands of times, becomes incitement to commit genocide. It creates a culture of genocide. Barbara Coloroso, in her book Extraordinary Evil3, likens such repetition of hatred to the bullying that is rampant in some schools, and that drives teenagers to suicide.
    I am not here arguing in favor of laws outlawing genocide denial in most countries, because in my view they do more harm than good – they turn truth against freedom of expression. But in
    3 Coloroso, Barbara, Extraordinary Evil. 2007. Toronto, Ontario, Canada. Viking (Penguin).
    
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    countries that have very recently suffered genocide, the scars may still be unhealed, and such laws may be justified.
    I am also arguing that Americans should not oppose carefully drawn laws against hate speech. The current law against “genocide ideology” in Rwanda would be struck down by any American court as “void for vagueness.” But a better drawn law defining and outlawing “direct and public incitement to commit genocide” could pass muster and would in fact help prevent future genocides. One of the interns Genocide Watch supported at the Khmer Rouge Tribunal, the brilliant Hadley Rose, Esq. has redrafted the “genocide ideology” law so it is more precise and cannot be used as an instrument for political repression. She will attend Yale Law School as an LL.M. candidate this Fall.
    Incitement to Commit Genocide and the Responsibility to Prevent
    For the prevention of genocide, I have a specific proposal: that policy makers judging risk, planning when and how to prevent genocide, and when to punish genocide should focus on the clearest warning sign of genocidal violence: public incitement to commit genocide. Planners of genocide who publicly incite their followers to commit genocide should be tried for hate crimes if their countries have independent courts where such trials can be held. If their countries are states-parties to the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court, and their own courts do not try such inciters to genocide, the ICC should investigate these crimes and seek to arrest and try them in the Hague.
    A history of genocide shows that direct and public incitement to commit genocide is one of the surest warning signs of both the intent and the planning to commit actual genocide. Trying inciters early would be one of the strongest antidotes to genocidal violence.
    The crime of direct and public incitement to genocide was a common element in the Holocaust, the Herero genocide, Armenia, Bangladesh, Cambodia, Bosnia, Rwanda, and Darfur. Incitement is a crime specifically named in Article 3 (c) of the Genocide Convention. Actual genocide need not be completed for an inciter to be tried for the crime. In fact, Julius Streicher, publisher of Der Stürmer, the Nazi propaganda newspaper, was hanged for crimes against humanity, even though he himself had committed no murders.
    Conspiracy to commit genocide is also a crime under Article 3(b) of the Genocide Convention, though lawyers from civil law countries have no equivalent legal concept so have morphed it into “joint criminal enterprise.” Conspiracy is a harder crime to prove than direct and public incitement. Yet it could also be grounds for prosecution if evidence could be found that perpetrators were planning genocide.
    Let me offer three examples of preventive action to stop incitement to commit genocide:
    Côte d’Ivoire:
    One of the best-known successes of Mr. Juan Mendez, when he was the Special Adviser to the UN Secretary General on the Prevention of Genocide, was a direct communication he made to the President of Côte d’Ivoire, Laurent Gbagbo, warning him that use of the Ivorian public radio station to incite “true Ivorians” against “non-Ivorians”, defined as those whose grandparents had not been born in the Côte d’Ivoire, could be interpreted as incitement to genocide, and Gbagbo could be tried by the ICC for the crime. Broadcasts on the Ivorian radio station against “foreigners” stopped the next day. I also obtained the cellphone number of Charles Blé Goudé, who had made many hate speeches against “foreigners.” I called him and delivered the same
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    message to him that Mr. Mendez had delivered to President Gbagbo. Complete calm was not immediately restored. But knowing the effect of radio in Côte d’Ivoire (I lived there two years as a Peace Corps Volunteer and two more years for my Ph.D. dissertation research in cultural anthropology) I believe that Juan Mendez’s action against incitement to genocide was an effective preventive tactic against genocidal violence.
    South Africa:
    In July this year, I traveled to South Africa to conduct a personal investigation, assisted by the Transvaal Agricultural Union and the F. W. De Klerk Foundation, of the growing number of murders against Afrikaner (Boer) farmers since black majority rule in 1994. The average murder rate of all South Africans is 34 per 100,000 per year, a high murder rate. (England’s is 2.4 per 100,000. Israel’s is 2.6. The Netherlands’ is 1.4. Japan’s is 0.5. The U.S. rate is 5.9.)4 But against white Boer farm owners, the murder rate in South Africa since 1994 has been 97 per 100,000, the highest murder rate in the world. (In Colombia, the next worst, the rate is 61.1)Most of the murders were hate crimes, with the victims’ bodies disemboweled, eyes gouged out, women raped, children burned or boiled alive. Very little property was stolen.
    A few years ago, the President of the African National Congress Youth League, Julius Malema, revived the ANC revolutionary song, “Kill the Boer, Kill the Farmer.” He sang it at countless ANC Youth League rallies in the past several years. Genocide Watch immediately issued a Genocide Alert when Malema began to sing the hate song, since he represented a radical, racist, communist wing of the governing party. We moved South Africa up to Stage 6 (Preparation) from 5 (Polarization) on our scale of genocide warnings. After Malema began to sing the hate song, the murder rate of Boer farmers increased monthly. Finally a farmer sued Malema under South Africa’s “hate speech” law, which defines hate speech clearly, and states that it is unprotected by the general free speech guaranteed by South Africa’s Constitution. South African law gives judges the authority to impose injunctions, fines, and even imprisonment. A South African judge found Malema guilty of hate speech and enjoined him from singing the “Kill the Boer” song. In his injunction, the South African judge directly paraphrased the analysis of incitement on the Genocide Watch website.
    Malema mockingly converted the song to “Kiss the Boer” while his followers sang the original “Kill the Boer” words. On January 10, 2012, even President Zuma himself sang the “Kill the Boer” song in a public ANC celebration, and Zuma has done so several times since. After the President sang the song, the number of farm murders increased each month. However, the ANC removed Julius Malema from his office as President of the ANC Youth League and expelled him from the ANC. Malema’s downfall was only one step against genocide, because the Deputy President of the ANC Youth League has now called for “war” to “take back the land.”
    Why is there a relationship between the “Kill the Boer” hate song and official government policy? The African National Congress (ANC) continues to be dominated by the South African Communist Party, which holds a majority in the South African Senate, and COSATU, South Africa’s Communist-run trade union association. The ANC has issued a “green paper” calling for forced land redistribution in South Africa, in violation of the SA Constitution. The SA Communist Party has also called for nationalization of all mines, banks, and industries. Currently 87 percent of commercial farms in South Africa are owned by 3 percent of the population, mostly white Boer farmers. The commercial farms produce most of South Africa’s food supply. The farms that have been turned over to black ownership have usually fallen back
    4 The Guardian Datablog Posted by Simon Rogers 13 October 2009, link to guardian.co.uk

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    into subsistence farming, because there has not been adequate training for Black management. Many farm murders are committed by employees on the white Boer farmers’ own farms.
    So there is a racial agenda operating – the forced displacement of all Boer farmers so the land can be “redistributed” to Black farmers, though the farms were cleared and developed by Boers many generations ago. The Boers and all Whites are commonly referred to as “settlers”, even though they arrived in South Africa 300 years ago. They are classified as “foreigners,” a common tactic of dehumanization by those intent on forced displacement or genocide. By the same standard, most Americans would have to leave the USA for Europe or Africa and return all the land to Native Americans, who have been as discriminated against as South Africa’s Blacks under Apartheid. Native Americans were not even granted American citizenship until 1924.
    Iran and Israel:
    Iran’s repeated call to “wipe Israel off the map” is the latest example of direct and public incitement to commit genocide.
    Iran’s repeated attacks on Jews and on the State of Israel is hate speech.
    German Chancellor Angela Merkel was the first world leader to recognize the connection between Iran’s uranium enrichment, its testing of long distance missiles, and the genocidal statements of its president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. A day after declaring that Israel “should be wiped off the map” on October 25, 2005, he incited students to scream “death to Israel,” at a government-sponsored conference called the “World without Zionism.”
    Chancellor Merkel declared: “A president that questions Israel’s right to exist [and] denies the Holocaust, cannot expect to receive any tolerance from Germany. We have learned our history.” Will Chancellor Merkel’s warnings of the parallels between Iran’s actions today and Nazi Germany’s first steps towards genocide in the 1930’s prod the world into effective deterrent action?
    On 28 October, 2005, the UN Security Council condemned the words of the Iranian president. While the Security Council only issued a press statement – the weakest form of expression – it was still a diplomatic defeat for Iran. Despite numerous U.N. Resolutions since, Iran continues to develop nuclear weapons, and its leadership has not changed its apocalyptic views.
    On 1 February 2006, The International Association of Genocide Scholars (IAGS) passed a resolution (See Appendix) noting that Iran’s actions, including Ahmadinejad’s statements, are early warning signs of genocide. These signs include open expressions of an exclusionary ideology characterized by hate speech, an authoritarian government that represses dissent, the organization of fanatical militias, the Revolutionary Guards, and a sustained record of support for terror attacks against Jews around the world. In December 2005, President Ahmadinejad added to the list the denial of past genocide, the Holocaust. The U.N. Security Council and Secretary-General condemned his statements.
    Indifference to incitement and inaction by the outside world, most notably by the United Nations itself, are other warning signs – as we have seen in Bosnia, Kosovo, Rwanda, Darfur and now in the Nuba Mountains of Sudan, where thousands of people are about to starve to death.
    The development of a covert nuclear weapons program and long-range missiles by a state whose leader declares genocidal intent states the case for urgent deterrent actions. As we address the Iranian threat, it is helpful to recall that genocide and politicide were the most deadly crimes against humanity in the 20th century, resulting in at least 100 million preventable deaths: more than from all wars combined.
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    The Genocidal Process
    Genocide is not an accident. It develops in a predictable process. I have analyzed most of the genocides in recent history and have discovered a predictable pattern. I call the process the Eight Stages of Genocide. (Friends have now convinced me to subdivide two of the stages, so that the final title of my book will probably be The Ten Stages of Genocide.)
    Every one of the first six stages of the eight stages has already happened in Iran. The seventh stage is actual extermination — genocide.
    Historians have established that governmental incitement and use of hate language is a recognized predictor, initiator, promoter and catalyst of genocide. The direct and public incitements to genocide by Iran’s President are not only openly stated declarations of aggressive intent, but are in violation of Art. 2 (4) of the UN Charter, of the Genocide Convention, and the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court, Articles 6 and 25 (3)(e).
    President Ahmadinejad’s attempted “clarification” that he merely advocates the “transfer” of Jews in Israel to German and Austrian provinces is itself advocacy of forced deportation, another crime against humanity, and is contradicted by his own actions and long-term Iranian policy, including terror attacks on Jews outside Israel, such as the bombing of a synagogue in Buenos Aires, the arming of Hezbollah and Hamas, and advocacy of murder of Jews everywhere by Iranian financed media such as Palestinian television. Palestinian Authority television has carried a Friday sermon calling for the butchering of all Jews everywhere.
    Iran could soon be an independent nuclear power, possessing advanced missile delivery systems. Iran has never renounced its aggressive and genocidal aims against the Jews of the State of Israel and elsewhere, which are longstanding policy. In 2000, Iran’s supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei told Muslim worshippers in Teheran, referring to Israel: “We have repeatedly said that this cancerous tumor of a state should be removed from the region.”
    The unprecedented threat of nuclear genocide necessitates an urgent response because, aside from the clear warning signs we have indicated, an actual apocalyptic nuclear attack could occur without further warning sufficient to engage in preventive action. Israel is a small country that can be reached within minutes by Iranian ballistic missiles. It is densely populated, and home to the largest number of Holocaust survivors in the world. Time is of the essence and delay could be catastrophic.
    Israel’s Responsibility to Prevent
    The ethical principle that needs to guide international action to prevent all genocidal threats is that human life is the most fundamental human right, because without life there are no other human rights. The robust actions by the United Nations in Libya and in Côte d’Ivoire have been among the first applications of this newly emerging norm of international law. The International Commission on Intervention and State Sovereignty sponsored by the Canadian government defined what is now called “the Responsibility to Protect,” which was affirmed in the Millennium Summit Outcome of 2005. It is based on the principle that the international obligation to protect human life and dignity overrides the sovereignty claims of any government whose actions demonstrate genocidal intent.
    The Precautionary Principle
    Because the dangers of inaction could be catastrophic, we repeat the calls of Genocide Watch, Prof. Elihu Richter’s Hebrew University Genocide and Violence Prevention Program’s petition,

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    and the International Association for Genocide Scholars for the application of the Precautionary Principle, a powerful tool for decision making in public health, for prevention of this and all other genocidal threats. This principle states that when there is uncertainty concerning the risk from a situation with potentially catastrophic effects upon human health and safety, the risks of inaction far outweigh those of preventive action.
    The Precautionary Principle – which British Foreign Minister Jack Straw has already applied to this case – shifts the burden of proof from those warning of a risk of a catastrophic event to those denying this risk. Preventive action, of course, means the obligatory imposition of effective sanctions to prevent Iranian development of nuclear weapons, and includes immediate and continuous IAEA inspections of all Iranian nuclear facilities, as well as confiscation of all technology, equipment, and nuclear material that could be used by Iran to manufacture nuclear weapons.
    Because the obligation to protect life and safety overrides state sovereignty, Iran’s genocidal declarations and actions undermine its claims to responsibly utilize its nuclear material for peaceful means.
    All this, however, is insufficient. Historians have recognized that genocide results from the conscious choices of elites and occurs when there is indifference of outsiders to early warning signs, particularly hate language that serves to catalyze genocidal actions.
    Accordingly the UN Security Council should follow the landmark precedent of its referral of Sudanese leaders to the International Criminal Court (ICC) and refer Mr. Ahmadinejad, to the ICC for indictment for incitement to commit genocide. Any state-party to the Genocide Convention , should also take a case against Iran to the International Court of Justice for violation of that convention through its incitement.
    Those convicted for incitement to commit genocide by the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda and sentenced to prison terms up to life imprisonment included Rwanda’s former prime minister, a historian, a newspaper editor, a minister of information, and a journalist.
    Ahmedinijad, Khameini and other Iranian inciters of genocide must be stopped. Economic sanctions which would target the Iranian people collectively should be rejected. Iran has a glorious past and culture, which this president definitely does not represent.
    It is time for the UN to go from commemorating past genocides, such as the Holocaust and Rwanda, to stopping current genocides such as is now raging in Darfur and the Nuba Mountains of Sudan, and deterring and preventing future ones, such as the destruction of Israel.
    Indicting President Ahmadinejad for incitement to commit genocide would send a clear non- violent message to Iran’s authoritarian leaders to back down from pursuing a genocidal ideology. It would be a major step towards deterring others planning future Bosnias, Kosovos, Rwandas and Darfurs. Chancellor Merkel has reminded us of the consequences of the world’s ineffectual response to Hitler in the 1930’s.
    The world now has to choose between indifference and deterrence, not only to “save Israel,” but to save human civilization itself. Consider these two chilling facts:
    1. Iran is the only country since Nazi Germany that has openly expressed its genocidal intent to wipe another nation off the map while pursuing a program to develop nuclear weapons.
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    Few believed that Hitler was serious about his genocidal intentions until Nazis carried out the Holocaust. The Iranian President denies that the Holocaust even happened.
    2. The country most likely to be blackmailed by an Iran with nuclear weapons is Israel. Suppose that Iran demands that Israel pull back to its 1967 borders and allow all Palestinians to return to their pre-1948 homes? Israel says “Nuts!” Iran then repeats its threat to “wipe Israel off the map,” arms its missiles, and supports Hezbollah terrorist infiltration into Israel. Would Israel launch a pre-emptive nuclear strike on Iran knowing that Iran’s nuclear retaliation would result in Israel’s self-destruction?
    Iran’s nuclear weapons program must be stopped. NATO’s nuclear shield should explicitly be invoked to protect Israel. NATO should use its full legal and diplomatic force to prevent this genocide in the making.
    When Sir Winston Churchill was asked why he, but no one else, saw the impending Nazi Holocaust in the 1930’s, he replied, “ I read Adolf Hitler’s Mein Kampf and I believed he would do what he said he would do.
    As we hear Ahmadinejad and Khameini declare that they will “wipe Israel off the map,” we should take them seriously, too.
    Copyright 2012 Gregory H. Stanton

    • Mooser
      October 16, 2012, 2:38 pm

      “Copyright 2012 Gregory H. Stanton”

      Next he’ll claim Mondoweiss published this without permission (did they ask? did they?) and threaten legal action.
      Of course, I gotta say, spamming the blog with your stuff is clever.

    • RoHa
      October 16, 2012, 7:45 pm

      “Iran is the only country since Nazi Germany that has openly expressed its genocidal intent to wipe another nation off the map while pursuing a program to develop nuclear weapons.”

      I seem to recall Khrushchev saying “We will bury you” at a time when the USSR already had nuclear weapons. But it was later claimed that he meant “We will outlive you”.

      The quote from Khameini says that “the regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time”.
      link to guardian.co.uk

      Khameini does not say that he, or Ahmedinejad, or anyone in particular will cause this to happen. If you want to show that Iran has genocidal intention, I suggest you use some other (accurate) quotations.

      “long-term Iranian policy, … the arming of Hezbollah and Hamas”

      Is this any different from the US arming of various resistance groups around the world? Hezbollah is a resistance group formed during the Israeli occupation of Lebanon. It’s mandate is defend Lebanon against Israel. Hamas is a resistance group against Israeli attacks on Palestians, and a group that would like to replace Israel with a state that gives justice to Palestinians.

  29. anomalous
    October 16, 2012, 4:56 pm

    I was on a genocide list-serv with Dr. Stanton. He was a constant denouncer of any attempt to discuss Israeli war crimes, and as I recall repeatedly attempted to propose that “everyone knows” that Palestinians are on some level pursuing genocide. The subject of Israel or Palestinians could never be broached without him blowing up the list with all manner of objections. He occasionally went berserk and bombarded myself and others on and off the list with nutty rants about anti-semitism and how the Grand Mufti was a Hitler-supporter and what not. I recall one occasion in which the moderator had to issue formal apologies to every participant after allowing some of his more nutty rants to be published. Really looney-tunes. The entire academic field of genocide studies is littered with zionists, and is to some extent is coordinated and funded by them via organizatiosn liek the Israel-based International Association of Genocide Scholars, but Stanton was really an extremist even within these circles, and I eventually gave up even attempting to participate in the forum because of his relentless assholery, which was given (in my opinion) a far-too patient and sympathetic ear by the moderator.

    Amusingly, he points to Lemkin’s original, more comprehensive definition of genocide in order to defend his baloney Shimon-Peres-induced claim that we must act now to stop an ayatollah nuke, but Lemkin’s definition of genocide may be far more easily used to convict Israel of that crime.

  30. piotr
    October 18, 2012, 3:42 pm

    I believe the explanation that since 1998 Prof. Gregory H. Stanton was medicated correctly and any appearance of manic attitudes is superficial, namely the bias is purely intellectual without any neurological basis. However, as a field of study, research on genocide should strive to avoid generalizations made from two examples, ideological self-censorship and bias etc. (If it is a field of study rather than an intellectual cudgel to bash those we do not like and spare ourselves and our friends.)

    For example, it is nice to study genocides committed in Cambodia (communists) and Rwanda (we do not give a damn about them) and avoid regimes that were friendly to USA at the time like Indonesia and Guatemala, or the activities of American military in the early years of colonization of Philippines, or other colonial acts of genocide. Colonial genocide is very pertinent now, because it was done to control “the savages” (and protect “civilization”). Given that context, branding people “savages” is an incitement to genocide, and should not be a protected kind of speech that can be pasted on buses and subway cars against the wishes of agencies that own them.

    Before going forth and suing Iranian authorities, Americans should do some house cleaning. Like recognizing the authority of international courts, or allowing lawsuits by victims of torture. I guess this is the reason why the good professor advocates to use Canada as a venue, but it reeks hypocrisy. (Because USA refuses to be subject of lawsuits, it also refuses to enforce verdicts against other governments. Instead we “freeze” accounts of hostile governments by administrative fiat. I think this as a matter of policy USA prefers piracy over legality.)

    • Hostage
      October 19, 2012, 12:59 am

      I guess this is the reason why the good professor advocates to use Canada as a venue, but it reeks hypocrisy. (Because USA refuses to be subject of lawsuits, it also refuses to enforce verdicts against other governments. Instead we “freeze” accounts of hostile governments by administrative fiat. I think this as a matter of policy USA prefers piracy over legality.)

      FYI, the parties to the genocide convention have granted the Court jurisdiction in contentious cases to settle disputes regarding state responsibility for the crime of genocide or any act listed in Article III. link to icj-cij.org

      *Orwellian Quote of the Day

      by Kevin Jon Heller

      From the government brief arguing that the media and witnesses in the 9/11 trial should not be permitted to hear the defendants describe being tortured by the US government:

      “Each of the accused is in the unique position of having had access to classified intelligence sources and methods,” the prosecution says in court papers. “The government, like the defense, must protect that classified information from disclosure.”

      The government is right about one thing — the 9/11 defendants are indeed in a “unique position” to know how the government tortures people. — link to opiniojuris.org

      * Israel is a signatory of the genocide convention – and it is the alleged victim state, not Canada or the US.

      Israel and the United States have carried on a public debate about pre-emptive air strikes against Iranian nuclear facilities which are ipso jure illegal under the terms of IAEA resolutions. They have also been implicated in the use of computer viruses and paramilitary terror units which have assassinated Iranian scientists. In Nicaragua v. United States of America, the ICJ ruling on the merits held that the Court could examine the behavior of the alleged victim:

      The exercise of the right of collective self-defence presupposes that an armed attack has occurred ; and it is evident that it is the victim State, being the most directly aware of that fact, which is likely to draw general attention to its plight. It is also evident that if the victim State wishes another State to come to its help in the exercise of the right of collective self-defence, it will normally make an express request to that effect. Thus in the present instance, the Court is entitled to take account, in judging the asserted justification of the exercise of collective self-defence by the United States, of the actual conduct of El Salvador, Honduras and Costa Rica at the relevant time”

      Do you really think that Israel or the United States want the ICJ looking into the actual conduct of either country?

  31. piotr
    October 18, 2012, 4:40 pm

    I think that the most frequent type of genocide followed the ancient Roman scheme “they make a desert and they call it peace”. The opponent has to be weaker, classified as unworthy (barbarian, savage) and the rest is left to the military command. It is amazing how vituperative was American press about Indian “savages” in 19th century. I would guess that Hereros were wiped out without any anti-Herero incitement in Keiser Germany (although the notion of “savages” had as wide currency in Europe as in USA, so incitement against a particular tribe was not necessary).

    Most of the time we do not care about the victim. The atrocities of the War of Triple Alliance are hardly known. In Holocaust Museum Paraguay is only a place where some Jews fled during Nazi era and where some Nazis found a shelter as well, but nobody cares about a terrible war that wiped out 90% of males (or was it 80%? it is a mark of terrible wars that details are hazy).

    Another example is Armenia and Azerbaijan. One can reasonably conjecture that would Azeri government win in the future was for which it is preparing, the fate of Armenian may be grim. This is one reason that while the government tries to be friendly, USA is not providing the best grades of weapons there. So what country became number one military supplier? (Hint: Google search “spit at Armenian”)

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