Former Israeli diplomat: Netanyahu doesn’t want a two-state solution (and it’s about time Washington figured this out)

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Interesting exchange on Twitter between Tony Karon and Alon Pinkus. Pinkus is the former Consul General of Israel in New York and has been an advisor to Ehud Barak and Shimon Peres.



21 Responses

  1. Bumblebye
    December 3, 2012, 1:54 pm

    The Bantustan option is the only one that’s ever been on Israel’s table. Every so often the leader’s describe it openly, but Washington, full (certainly on this issue) of Israel Firsters, shuts down any adverse comment or complaint and ensures things carry on as if nobody heard the words or saw them in print.

  2. amigo
    December 3, 2012, 1:56 pm

    Why would anyone with half a brain believe he is serious about making peace.

    Read the Likud Charter.

    It is Niet-an-yahu,s bible.

    He is a used hasbara salesman.

  3. Kathleen
    December 3, 2012, 1:58 pm

    Carter said years ago that it is clear Netanyahu and many other Israel leaders and people do not want a two state solution. They have never stopped expanding illegal settlements in the West Bank. Separate buses and all for the illegal and despicable Israeli settlers

  4. Maximus Decimus Meridius
    December 3, 2012, 2:42 pm

    The comment was true as far as it goes, but let’s stop pretending this is about Netanyahu, or about Likud. This is about Zionism. Israel has NEVER wanted a two-state solution, and it never will. It deosn’t matter who’s in power – the so-called ‘left’ has been just as enthusiastic about building ‘settlements’ as the right, maybe more so. And obviously, since Israel is a democracy (for its Jewish citizens) we can take it as read that the Israeli people also support these policies.

    • seafoid
      December 3, 2012, 3:46 pm

      No Israeli leader was ever interested in peace with the Palestinians. Every one of them is or was a sociopath. They all milked the Shoah while shafting another defenceless population.

      • braciole
        December 4, 2012, 7:15 am

        For a start, just accept that all politicians are at the very least sociopaths. It is very liberating.
        However, it is the psychopaths we have to be worried about, not that I am suggesting that Netanyahu is a psychopath.
        From wikipedia:

        Psychopathy is a personality disorder that has been variously described as characterized by shallow emotions (in particular reduced fear), stress tolerance, lacking empathy, coldheartedness, egocentricity, superficial charm, manipulativeness, irresponsibility, impulsivity, criminality, antisocial behaviors such as lacking guilt and living a parasitic lifestyle.

    • chinese box
      December 3, 2012, 6:06 pm

      @Maximus

      Agree completely. From everything I’ve read, the number of people in Israel who want a real solution (w/ justice) numbers only in the thousands. But there’s a refusal to recognize this reality, hence endless discussions about Likudniks.

  5. FreddyV
    December 3, 2012, 2:55 pm

    No one wants to listen to Finklestein.

    Pick a date.

    Anyone east of the Green Line after that date gets a Palestinian passport.

    The thing that amazes me is that people still talk about BDS and one state as though Israel can possibly accommodate any equality.

    • sardelapasti
      December 3, 2012, 5:21 pm

      “The thing that amazes me is that people still talk about BDS and one state as though Israel can possibly accommodate any equality.”

      It cannot possibly accomodate any equality, but the world is round and it sometime it can be forced to do so or leave. See Algeria. It has happened.

  6. lysias
    December 3, 2012, 4:05 pm

    Just heard on RT: France and the UK have summoned the Israeli ambassadors in their capitals to explain what Israel is doing with the settlements.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      December 3, 2012, 5:58 pm

      Yes, and they then proceeded to express their ‘concern’ over the building and ‘urged’ Israel to stop.

      That’ll work (not).

    • Bumblebye
      December 3, 2012, 7:24 pm

      So have Spain, Sweden, Denmark and (I’m sure I heard) Germany.
      The list is growing.

    • piotr
      December 3, 2012, 11:24 pm

      Did they at least give the ambassador low chairs to sit on? And photograph the scene?

    • Sumud
      December 4, 2012, 4:35 am

      Ambassador also recalled in Australia:

      Carr calls in Israel’s man over settlements

      • Theo
        December 5, 2012, 9:27 am

        The list is growing and is useless. Netanjahu can ignore all of them, only a massive force can remove him and his compatriots from power and bring a change in Palestina.
        The question is: will any of the above mentioned nations have the guts to follow up with deeds if diplomacy doesn´t work? I doubt it, I am used of the hot air politicians blow, aspecially before elections.

  7. DICKERSON3870
    December 3, 2012, 4:19 pm

    P.S. ALSO SEE: “Netanyahu Family’s Racist History: Like Father, Like Son”, By Richard Silverstein, Tikun Olam, 07/12/11

    [EXCERPT] Jewish tradition declares that children shall not be punished for the sins of their fathers. But it didn’t anticipate a son like the 19 year-old Yair Netanyahu, who appears to retain some of the harsh Arab-hatred that characterizes both his father, Benyamin, and 98 year-old grandfather, Ben Zion. I have written here of the latter’s call for hanging Arabs in the nearest town square to teach them who’s boss, a punishment he contends that was quite effective in the Ottoman era. Apparently, he doesn’t realize that the despotic Muslim Ottomans may not be the political model he wishes Israel to emulate. In 1989, Benyamin, his father advocated expelling Israeli Palestinian citizens from the State in a comment I’d personally never heard until I read it and published it here.
    The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree, as they say. Here [in Hebrew] are a few of the choice racist comments (and a shorter English article) this excellent expose by Uri Blau attributes to Yair Netanyahu via his Facebook page.
    A few years ago at a time when Ehud Olmert was prime minister, riots broke out in the formerly Arab town of Akko (Acre), when an Israeli Palestinian mistakenly drove into an Orthodox community on Yom Kippur (a day when driving is forbidden). The result was this Facebook page created by the younger Netanyahu which stated:
    As a Result of the Akko Pogroms, I Too Boycott Arab Businesses!

    Those Arab sons of whores desecrated the holiest day of our year. This wasn’t in Syria or in Egypt. It was right here in the State of Israel–the Jewish nation’s only state. Because the leftist authorities won’t do anything regarding this matter and because the media will only trot out [before the cameras] the “poor Arabs,” it is up to us to do the minimum to restore our self-respect by boycotting all Arab businesses and products. Besides, I boycotted these shits even before!

    ENTIRE COMMENTARY – link to richardsilverstein.com

  8. Patrick
    December 4, 2012, 12:10 am

    Interesting round table discussion here on Al Jazeera with Tony Karon, Peter Beinart, Ethan Bronner and Rashid Khalidi:

    link to youtube.com!

    What struck me is the segment at approximately the 36-38 minute mark where Tony Karon remarks that, in his view, realization of the 2SS has become implausible. And, strikingly, Ethan Bronner agrees with him, saying that effectively the train has left the station and it’s ‘hard to imagine’ any Israeli gov’t could relocate so many settlers from the W. Bank.

    • Mondowise
      December 4, 2012, 4:45 am

      so send NATO troops in to enforce relocating the illegal squatters. izrael has zero mindset to move any of them out, and they will NEVER accept a 1SS. any such one state entity will be overwhelmed with apartheid abuse, violence (squatter violence, that is, as Pals will never allowed to be armed), human rights violations against Pals on a scale never before seen, etc. etc. it will deteriorate into a black swamp of hell real fast.

      people are profoundly naive and out of touch with reality to think the 1SS is the answer. it will never work because izrael refuses peace and their whole fascist existence is based on a ‘jewish’ state, certainly not a state with the majority of citizens being Pals. that’s completely out of the question for zionists. and if they are ‘forced’ into a one-state entity….it is certain that Pals will be abused, detained, tortured and punished mercilessly…and izrael will cover it up and disallow any outside independent investigations or independent journalists.

  9. chinese box
    December 4, 2012, 9:05 am

    @Patrick

    Thanks for the video. Beinart comes across as naive (disingenuous?) if he thinks real change is going to come from a new Israeli government.

  10. amigo
    December 4, 2012, 9:34 am

    link to irishtimes.com

    This a list of Products from the Illegal Settlements complete with name of manufacturer and location in occupied West Bank.

    Also a good article.

  11. Reds
    December 5, 2012, 12:39 pm

    Ask if Jordan is Palestine? and you get a yes from Netanyahu and the likes, ask where the state should be and you get Jordan, Ask if Settlements are illegall? you get no Israel won the war so holds the land.

    Yet ask about a two-state solution they say Abbass most go back to the table. Even know the person on the other side of the table believes the future state is in Jordan and the land on the table is there’s.

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