Teachers’ Union of Ireland endorses academic boycott of Israel in unanimous vote

From an Ireland Palestine Solidarity Campaign press release:

At its Annual Congress on Thursday 4th April 2013, the Teachers’ Union of Ireland (TUI) became the first academic union in Europe to endorse the Palestinian call for an academic boycott of Israel. The motion, which refers to Israel as an “apartheid state”, calls for “all members to cease all cultural and academic collaboration with Israel, including the exchange of scientists, students and academic personalities, as well as all cooperation in research programmes” was passed by a unanimous vote during today’s morning session.

The motion further calls on the Irish Congress of Trade Unions to “step up its campaign for boycott, divestment and sanctions (BDS) against the apartheid state of Israel until it lifts its illegal siege of Gaza and its illegal occupation of the West Bank, and agrees to abide by International law and all UN Resolutions against it”, and on the TUI to conduct an awareness campaign amongst members on the need for BDS. The motion was a composite motion proposed by the TUI Executive Committee and TUI Dublin Colleges Branch. It was presented by Jim Roche, a lecturer in the DIT School of Architecture and member of the TUI Dublin Colleges Union branch, and seconded by Gerry Quinn, Vice President of the TUI.

Speaking after the successful passage of the motion, Jim Roche said: “I am very pleased that this motion was passed with such support by TUI members, especially coming the day after Israeli occupation forces shot and killed two Palestinian teenagers in the West Bank yesterday. BDS is a noble non-violent method of resisting Israeli militarism, occupation and apartheid, and there is no question that Israel is implementing apartheid policies against the Palestinians. Indeed, many veterans of the anti-apartheid struggle in South Africa have said that it’s worse than what was experienced there.”

The full motion reads:

241. Executive Committee/Dublin Colleges(x4)

TUI demand that ICTU step up its campaign for boycott, divestment and sanctions (BDS) against the apartheid state of Israel until it lifts its illegal siege of Gaza and its illegal occupation of the West Bank, and agrees to abide by International law and all UN Resolutions against it.
Congress instructs the Executive Committee to:
(a) Conduct an awareness campaign amongst TUI members on the need for BDS
(b) Request all members to cease all cultural and academic collaboration with Israel, including the exchange of scientists, students and academic personalities, as well as all cooperation in research programmes. (ENDS)

You can read the entire Palestinian call for the academic and cultural boycott of Israel here.

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  1. German Lefty says:

    Interview with Mizrahi Jews in Israel:
    What do you think of the statement “I don’t hate Jews, I hate Zionists”?

    • gl, anyone who ascribes hatred to a whole group of people is engaging in propaganda. if this filmmaker was genuinely/primarily interested in dialogue he would not be framing his question like this.

      • German Lefty says:

        if this filmmaker was genuinely/primarily interested in dialogue he would not be framing his question like this.

        I am not sure what you mean by this. The questions that the filmmaker poses in his videos are viewer questions. See the description:
        “Ask a question and I will get answers. I go out and ask random people to answer. Bonnie from USA asks: What do Mizrahi Israelis think of the statement said by Arabs ‘we like Jews but hate Zionists’?”

        • you’re not sure what i mean by this? ok, how about if annie from the US asks
          What do Mizrahi Israelis think of the statement said by Germans ‘we like Jews but hate Zionists’.

          and he made a film about it. about who germans hate. and he started out the film by asking, “so ok, this is a statement that they use in germany a lot that in the german world they use a lot, they say that we don’t hate jews we hate zionists.”

          and then if he went on making videos about what people in germany hate,or in the german world hates. you’d be ok with that. you’d assume he was asking in your best interest?

          and then he made another film, this time speaking directly with germans about what they think and every single german person on the film fit a certain profile, that confirmed say..paranoia or prejudice. you wouldn’t think perhaps that had anything to do with the way the film was edited?

          from this video this person said he ‘fell in love with israel’. he completed an MA in Conflict Studies.

          link to sharnoffsglobalviews.com

          Part of learning about the Palestinian side or narrative was to take part in online discussions through forums, Facebook, etc. What I experienced was stranger dynamics than the conflict on the ground: most of those who are passionate about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict are not Israeli or Palestinian but all take a very black and white ideas on what they believe is happening on the ground. At least for the Israeli side, very little of the opinions, claims or “facts” that were discussed matched the reality I see day-to-day on the ground for the past twenty-plus years. I was so frustrated with trying to correct misinformation from someone I was arguing with that I said I will go out and ask random people in Tel Aviv their opinions. That was how the series was born. I was also interested in whether Palestinian views were what we are being told they are through the media so I asked for questions for Palestinians. There are now more than seventy videos.

          re the bold let’s just assume he speaks arabic? and what does that mean? “so I asked for questions for Palestinians”?

          SGV: Many Israelis and Palestinians reveal moderate, tolerant and sensible responses to your questions when it comes to perceptions of the other and prospects for peace. Yet mainstream media often portrays only the extremist voices. Are we getting an accurate account of the facts and attitudes or is the conflict much more nuanced and complex than we are led to believe?

          CGS: I don’t think the media – mainstream or fringe – gives an accurate portrayal of the complexity or the viewpoints of the people. That is what is so frustrating. Each gives a different perspective based on an agenda which may be sales or political. The media perpetuates the extreme views by constantly focusing on the extremes of society.

          now this i find very interesting in light of the video you chose. if he believes there’s “complexity or the viewpoints of the people” (on both sides) why would he asks a question about what the arab world hates? doesn’t that perpetuate an extreme view? that arabs hate? sure, they don’t like zionism, what palestinian would, but does he ask a question about who the jews hate? because bonnie from the US asked him to? Why do jews say they don’t hate arabs they hate terrorists?

          “so ok, this is a statement that they use in israel a lot that in the jewish world they use a lot, they say that we don’t hate arabs we hate terrorists.”

          would he ask palestinans what they think of that?

          and this is interesting. and he says later in the interview he is biased.

          The Palestinian views are sometimes more surprising. I thought of doing a humorous video asking Palestinians when they planned to throw the Jews in the sea and I planned to follow-up with wise-cracks like “I need to know what to pack” or “let us know so we can prepare the boats.” I thought I would get some laughs with the question and responses. But the first interviewee said that the Jews made up this myth to get world sympathy and the next two said “as soon as possible.” While difficult to hear, I was happy with the honesty and have to step out of my emotional self to understand where that level of hatred and pain is coming from.

          Since the beginning of the project, I have been looking for people in the Arab world to do the same kind of project. So far no one has agreed to do it. Most say they live in countries where asking people questions on the street may not be legal and could get them into trouble – including the Palestinian Authority areas. I sometimes forget that I am spoiled growing up and living in a country that protects and encourages free speech.

          so what are the chances two palestinians in a row said “as soon as possible” and were not joking? sorry, there’s something here i don’t trust. how does this person make a living? who funds his projects? what is the overall impression one gets from watching the videos? he says he has to “step out of my emotional self to understand where that level of hatred and pain” wrt someone saying “the Jews made up this myth to get world sympathy “. well doesn’t that assume palestinians said they were going to throw jews into the sea? come on, and you don’t see agenda? i see agenda written all over these.

        • miriam6 says:

          You really are super paranoid aren’t you A . Robbins?

          ” I see agenda written all over these ” -

          Just because you are unable to comprehend the concept of free debate , free expression that enables others to assess the same information and come to a different conclusion you don’t like ? You would quite like to stop people from seeing Shuster’s work too, I would imagine. You would approve of censorship perhaps?
          Others prefer to explore the humanity of those on both sides and do not come to the same reductive view of things as you- that seeks to demonize Israelis , therefore it must be a ( Zionist) plot and that bothers you , having to contemplate the humanity of the Israelis too.

          Why not watch all of Corey Gil Shuster’s videos , before you rush to judgement.

        • Sumud says:

          Annie ~ have a look at the rest of this guys videos, they are all vox populi and with an interesting variety of questions:

          link to youtube.com

          I don’t see any sinister agenda.

        • sumud, what do you think of this question (stop the film and read it at the beginning): link to youtube.com

          keep in mind i watched it right after palestinians were asked ‘do you want to destroy the state of israel’?

          and this, link to youtube.com
          Do you think Israeli Jews are indigenous to the land?
          i noticed he was not able to get subtitles for the first person. the second, when he answered honestly (no) he then asked ‘how do you expect to make peace if you do not believe jews are from here’? what kind of question is that to ask a palestinian? that was not the original question. why doesn’t he ask a jew how he expects to make peace if he doesn’t believe palestinians are from there?

        • You would quite like to stop people from seeing Shuster’s work too, I would imagine.

          well, i’d say your imagination has run wild. i’ve seen these videos before.

          let me give you another example. do you know how many times we’ve heard pro israel posters here claim jews were never going to leave israel? a lot. so he asked some israelis, if you found out you weren’t related to jews who lived here 2000 years ago would you go back to wherever you immigrated from. and then towards the end he says ‘that’s what the people outside of israel want to know.’ well, i don’t think that would be something the average person would even ask. it’s rather self evident they want to be there, regardless of the homeland mishmash routine.

          one doesn’t have to be a rocket scientist to know what 99% of the planet is going to say if you ask them if they want to leave their home. they will say no, i want to stay. so what’s the point of the video other than to let everyone know jews want to stay there? sorry, i’m just not impressed. but i don’t care if he wants to go on making movies for youtube. he’s just biased. and he admits in the interview he’s biased. i think most people know there are normal people in israel who just live their lives. but there are also extremists. in fact there are a lot of them. like the high school kids who do not believe non jews in israel should get to vote. but thus far , and i have probably see about 12 of his videos, i have not heard any israeli extremists. coincidence? i doubt it.

        • German Lefty says:

          how about if annie from the US asks What do Mizrahi Israelis think of the statement said by Germans ‘we like Jews but hate Zionists’.
          Actually, I would be very glad that “Annie from the US” asks this important question and that she knows that Germans distinguish between Jews and Zionists.
          To me, the question that Corey posed translates as “Do you understand that there’s a difference between anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism?”

          he made a film about who germans hate. he started out the film by asking, “so ok, this is a statement that they use in germany a lot that in the german world they use a lot, they say that we don’t hate jews we hate zionists.”
          I think that we just interpret Corey’s words differently.
          To me, the word “hate” simply means “reject”. It does NOT imply the denial of equal rights. People can hate other people without wanting to deny them equal rights.
          When Corey said that this statement is used in the Arab world a lot, he is right. It is actually used a lot. He does NOT make the generalisation that ALL Arabs hate Zionists.

          you’d assume he was asking in your best interest?
          I would NOT assume that he acts in my best interest. However, I would NOT assume either that he has bad intentions. I would think that he asked this question because it was sent in by a viewer.

          he made another film, this time speaking directly with germans about what they think and every single german person on the film fit a certain profile, that confirmed say..paranoia or prejudice.
          Which video(s) are you referring to? The Palestinian responses that I have seen so far are pretty normal.

          does he ask a question about who the jews hate? Why do jews say they don’t hate arabs they hate terrorists?
          Well, most Jews wouldn’t say that. Most Jews are Zionists. And Zionists usually don’t distinguish between Arabs and terrorists.

          so what are the chances two palestinians in a row said “as soon as possible” and were not joking?
          I, too, assume that they were joking. In the interview, Corey didn’t claim that they were serious.
          Corey is a “liberal” Zionist. I asked him on YouTube about his political views and which solution to the conflict he prefers. His reply:
          “I am not political. I voted for Tsipi Livni. My values are closest to Meretz but this is the middle east and softness is interpreted as weakness, weakness is not respected by Arab culture.
          Solution? no idea. I will accept any solution that the majority on both sides say they can live with.”

          come on, and you don’t see agenda? i see agenda written all over these.
          Annie, I believe that you are a kind-hearted person. And I like you. However, I also think that you are a tiny weeny bit paranoid and a little overprotective of Arabs.

        • Dutch says:

          @ Annie: ‘i think most people know there are normal people in israel who just live their lives.’

          I challenge them to say that on camera. ‘Do you think it’s “normal” to “just live your life” on ethnically cleansed land? – A Dutch viewer wants to know.

          You probably know the answer, but what counts more is that these questions are being asked. To let them know that this is not considered “normal”, even by fellow Jews. There are five million people waiting to return to their houses.

        • German Lefty says:

          what do you think of this question (stop the film and read it at the beginning)
          palestinians were asked ‘do you want to destroy the state of israel’?
          Do you think Israeli Jews are indigenous to the land?

          Annie, I can’t find anything wrong with these questions. A lot of people send in questions to find out whether certain prejudices are true or not.
          Besides, as an anti-Zionist I do indeed want to destroy Israel. In a peaceful way, of course.

          he then asked ‘how do you expect to make peace if you do not believe jews are from here’?

          That’s indeed a dumb and totally unrelated question. Well, he’s a Zionist. That explains his idiotic reasoning. However, I still don’t think that he intends to portray Palestinians as evil people.

          i have not heard any israeli extremists.

          Really? This surprises me. Almost all Israeli Jews that Corey interviewed stated extremist views. You need to keep in mind that any support for political Zionism (i.e. ethnic nationalism and ethnic cleansing) is right-wing extremist. Even a two-state solution with a Zionist Israel is right-wing extremist.
          Watch this video:
          Israeli Jews: What do you think about the Palestinian right of return?

        • German Lefty says:

          I challenge them to say that on camera. ‘Do you think it’s “normal” to “just live your life” on ethnically cleansed land? – A Dutch viewer wants to know.

          Totally right, neighbour!
          Germans have been condemned for just living their lives and turning a blind eye to the ethnic cleansing during the Nazi era. Why isn’t the same standard applied to Israeli Jews?

        • what counts more is that these questions are being asked.

          oh really, because i could care less about this question:

          link to youtube.com

          and these videos are more than just the questions, they also include answers. it’s not that i do not like the answers, it’s that do we have any israeli jews saying palestinians should be get out and that they don’t belong there? obviously there are people who think like that, but i have not seen any. yet at 4:33 in this video we have someone saying jews should get out: link to youtube.com

          we also have a palestinian saying it’s apartheid but when he asked how, she can’t say. butthere are a lot of palestinians, especially in haifa, who know very well there are lots of laws that are different for jews and palestinians inside israel, but he shows us exactly none.

          ‘Do you think it’s “normal” to “just live your life” on ethnically cleansed land? – A Dutch viewer wants to know.

          it’s very normal to most americans, considering our history. i live on ethnically cleansed land. the difference is it’s not going on right now, in my name. israel is a country where huge numbers of people have numbed out or brainwashed about what they’re doing. for them it’s completely normal. they don’t walk around with horns. what is the purpose of showing us how normal they are, because for the most part that is what he is doing. he’s normalizing what’s going on. do jewish men cry? oh yes they do, here..we will let you listen to them tell us how they do, just like everyone else in the world. hello! what’s the purpose?

          To let them know that this is not considered “normal”, even by fellow Jews

          israelis are not listening to these videos, they are made for us.

        • what do you think of this question (stop the film and read it at the beginning): link to youtube.com

          Annie, I can’t find anything wrong with these questions.

          GL: at 00:6 in the video it reads:

          In Gaza, some believe that adult Israeli Jewish men are not able to cry. They believe that Jewish heart is hardened during their time in the army so they can no longer feel. The idea is spread by extremist to make killing Jews easier.

          A Gazan named Ibrahim asked me to verify it this not true

          so, i’m open gl, find me a video that begins by saying extremists in settlements spread news arabs can’t feel to make it easier for jews to kill palestinians. an israeli named ruth as him to verify if this is not true.

          we just have a difference of opinion. and yes, i am definitely paranoid about professional hasbara.

        • Dutch says:

          The idea that there is something like an ‘innocent population’ is a comfortable myth. Every Israeli is aware of living in a state that’s built on ongoing crimes and stolen land.

          Members of my family (as well as others) returned to the Netherlands in the seventies and eighties for this very reason. They couldn’t stand it. ‘How can you, as a survivor of the Holocaust ánd as a Jew, endorse these crimes against the Palestinians?’ was their simple question, for which they were branded as traitors and scum.

          After 45 years of occupation it is not possible to ‘just live your life’ and pretend it’s ‘normal’, while the victims of that comfortable life suffer in massive numbers just kilometres away, literally around the corner. So let the camera’s roll.

        • The idea that there is something like an ‘innocent population’ is a comfortable myth.

          it that a statement of fact or a strawman, because i don’t think any of them are innocent.

          After 45 years of occupation it is not possible to ‘just live your life’ and pretend it’s ‘normal’, while the victims of that comfortable life suffer in massive numbers just kilometres away

          when was the last time you went to the beach in tel aviv? because i was there in june of 09, just months after the massacre. and they were there in droves, dancing the night away as if there wasn’t a big wall with people suffering right next door. they do it day in and day out, millions of them. listen to noam sheizaf if you don’t believe me.

          link to mondoweiss.net

          On the Palestine question is Israeli politics:

          The question everyone asks themselves is where is the Palestinian issue in all this? And one thing that was pretty clear in those elections was that the Palestinian issue wasn’t there. If there was something that was present in the elections, it is denial of the Palestinian issue, both by the politicians and by their voters. In this sense the .politicians reflected the will of the people.

          There is sort of bewilderment: how come Israelis ignore this question? Even people who advocate Israeli policies will privately ask themselves this question. How come the Israeli political system is not more active on the Palestinian issue, or at least discussing the Palestinian issue.

          My theory, or my explanation to this issue: the rational choice for any political leader, regardless of his ideologies, will be to maintain the status quo or the current political trends. Because as long as you can maintain the status quo, with all its problems and with all the difficulties and with all the isolation of Israel and some of the things, the moral implications if you want, the strategic implications, everything, the status quo in terms of political currency is still cheaper in Israel than any change to any side

          This is the reason that whenever Israelis enjoyed the period of relative security and prosperity like we have now, their connection to the status quo only deepened, contrary to the common view that whenever security and prosperity will be there, then Israelis will have the national conversation that will end the occupation. The exact opposite is happening. And it’s not happening because some people are evil or because some people are stupid, which are the explanations given usually. You know, the opposition, the critic says all Israelis are evil, and the right here – you can often [cite] Jeffrey Goldberg saying “The Israeli political leadership is irrational. It’s making mistakes all the time.” And it’s not a mistake – it’s a rational policy, it’s rational political behavior – maintaining the status quo, holding on to power, on all levels, holding on to power as the Jewish elite and holding on to power as the single politician who sits in the Prime Minister’s office in Jerusalem.

          Some people will say it won’t be possible in 5, 10, 20 years. But show me the politician who thinks 10 years ahead. If you live in Washington right now, politics is done from today to tomorrow, at best. And that’s how polities is done in Israel as well. And right now, those parties who said explicitly or inexplicitly that they want to hold to the current status quo, are the parties that won the support of the Jewish public.

          So we have reached a moment where the rational political behavior in Israel is also the most immoral.

          get it, for the most part, they don’t think about it. and there’s nothing innocent about it. except maybe that guy’s videos, he makes israelis look very innocent, for the most part.

        • Dutch says:

          @ Annie: [...] ‘for them it’s completely normal.’ [...]

          Wow – I’d love to hear ten of them explain this on camera and broadcast it on Dutch/European tv. I remember the BBC-documentary about the Ultra-Orthodox, that cost Israel a lot of support here. This idea sounds even better.

          So please – let them explain how ‘completely normal’ this is to them – scaring their last supporters away.

          ‘Just living your life’ away in a state that is busy cleansing the original population is not a normal thing to do, Annie. It obliges every Israeli to stand up against it. Those ‘just living their lives’ are part of the crime. It’s up to the world to make that clear.

        • Dutch says:

          Annie, I know the reality and sources perfectly well, thanks. It looks like we had parallel discussions. Anyway, the idea that came up through this guy (whose work I don’t know) and our discussion is helpful, as I explained.

        • miriam6 says:

          Annie, for a self-professed, ardent human rights campaigner, you appear to have a somewhat misanthropic view of the Israeli people.
          You seem to feel they ought to be consumed by self – hatred, that they really ought to “pity” the Palestinians as you appear to .
          In your comment you call upon the myth of the ” good life” , that Israelis have it so good they simply don’t care about politics.
          Here is a link to an article by Yoni Eshpar, who is the director of the Israeli human rights organisation Gisha ,in which he challenges the myth of Israeli indifference to politics.

          link to spiked-online.com

        • AbeBird says:

          Dublin sociology lecturer and anti-Israel TUI’s activist David Landy said the move “set an historic precedent”. I’m sure he meant by saying “historic precedent” to Nazi Germany boycotting of the Jews of Europe (Ashkenazim) and Northern Africa (Mizrahim) that was later continued to destruction and murder of most Jews there. I’m really sorry that there are still some pro-Nazis left in America who continue to support the boycotting and extermination of the Jews.

        • German Lefty says:

          @ Dutch
          After 45 years of occupation it is not possible to ‘just live your life’ and pretend it’s ‘normal’
          You certainly meant to write 65 years of occupation …

          @ Annie
          he makes israelis look very innocent, for the most part.
          I disagree.
          In his videos, Israeli Jews deny the Palestinians their right of return.
          Also, several interviewed Israeli Jews stated that Jews have the right to settle in the West Bank. However, they would “generously” give up that right in exchange for “peace”, i.e. to preserve their Jewish supremacist state.
          In the video “Why do Israelis kill Arabs and steal their land?”, Israeli Jews deny the fact that Israel was built on stolen Palestinian land.

      • ryan-o says:

        I agree with you, however, it’s very easy (sadly) to label others into groups. I just got done commenting on a blog where I used the labels neocon and Likudite. It’s difficult to think about the fact there are individuals involved trying to speak for any of these groups and almost always are not representative of them. People should be held accountable as individuals. The trend, however, is that we are all social and individualism in any of it’s forms is selfish despite the fact that it exists and gets mixed up with the social/group aspect.

        Unfortunately individuals who do try and claim they speak for a group can have what I call the queen bee effect upon the group. As a result, others will blame groups. Of course they also blame groups even when there is no such effect.

      • Dutch says:

        ‘if this filmmaker was genuinely/primarily interested in dialogue he would not be framing his question like this.’

        And he would use a different journalistic approach. I’m afraid you over-value the intentions of the makers. This is snapshot journalism and subjects are always thorny to get the ball rolling.

        Another point is that Bonnie’s claim makes sense as a reply to the all time classic ‘You hate Jews’.

  2. Citizen says:

    Yeah, I mentioned this earlier on MW–first EU academic boycott of Israel by the Irish Teachers Union….gotta love how the Irish are on this, in Ireland, if not so much in America.

  3. Ecru says:

    After all the cover ups and collusions with the Catholic Church it’s nice to be able to feel proud of Ireland again.

    • Ellen says:

      Ecru, if one looks and understands the history of Ireland and the most recent centuries of brutal repression under the English, you’d understand why the Catholic Church has(d) an outsized role in Irish culture/government. (But not a subject for here.)

      Institutions do terrible things to protect themselves and the the Church is no different from any institution.

      The Irish are very very sympathetic to the Palestinian cause. The historical parallels (sending in settlers to occupy, policy to prevent education –thus the hedge schools — navel blockades to prevent weapons as a people were terribly suffering, ongoing racism, etc. All the stuff of dehumanizing a people to be rid of ‘em. The population of Ireland was wiped out by half twice. To this day it has never recovered the population of the middle 19th century. You can visit valleys where there were hundreds of homes, and now there are only a few stone structures left. (Famine cottages.)

      This is all in the the collective Irish memory. Ergo the support. But is HISTORY and does not exist anymore.

      Hopefully Israel makes their occupation and oppression history very soon.

      • Citizen says:

        @ Ellen
        Yep. Not that anybody but a few Irish folk really care. There’s a good reason why the fiirst EU trade union to jump fully aboard the BDS train is the Irish Teacher’s Union. I am proud of that, so sue me.

      • Ecru says:

        Ellen, I AM Irish. Just so you know.

        • Ellen says:

          Ecru, then you REALLY know…..thanks for your comments.

          Do you thing some aspects of the Irish peace agreement may be a model for Israel/Palestine?

          And in the long run (many decades) can you imagine a Northern Ireland vote to join the rest of the country?

      • amigo says:

        “Hopefully Israel makes their occupation and oppression history very soon.”

        Well if they don,t , then Occupation and oppression will make Israel history.

        It,s up to them.

  4. geofgray says:

    Ireland’s experience of colonial occupation is similar to Palestine’s: the lack of civil rights, the right to self determination, anti-Catholic discrimination, etc. The memory of British occupation is raw in much of Ireland. When I was in Balinamore–close to the Northern Ireland’s border–I was told by Irish people I knew that “there are killers around here.” They were referring to Irish terrorists–IRA men. My landlord was one of them! A statue in Ballinamore celebrates Castro and a local Irish patriot (some would say terrorist) whose son ran a local bar. I’d play golf at the public course ($60 for a year’s membership). One day playing in a foursome with a judge I was told: “everybody around here knows who blew up Lord Mountbatten’s yacht; he lives here.”
    Now so called Irish politicians like Peter King shill for Israel. I guess assimilation can kill the soul.

    • Citizen says:

      Gee, geofray, I thought the Irish were just a bunch of drunken wife beaters. My American cultural upbringing taught me this. So I don’t understand what you are saying. Please explain yourself.

    • amigo says:

      geofgray, it is much worse than you think.

      A self professed Zionist is minister of Defense and Justice.

      He is Irelands leading Zionist apologist and Israeli shill.

      Allan Shatter is the shill in question.

      Btw–Peter King is a Northern Irish Politician , A Unionist and Protestant and the child of Settlers who drove out the Indigenous Population.

      No surprise he shills for Israel.It is that shared history that attracts them to each other.

    • Joe Ed says:

      Peter King is a the filled moron.

      He has forfeited his Irishness

  5. See also Iain Banks statement on BDS:

    link to guardian.co.uk

    • Ecru says:

      Yeah it’s a terrible thing that he’s dying of cancer I’m a big fan. Of course I expect the usual Zionist crowd to be crowing in delight over the news that a talented and original writers such as himself has cancer. They’re not a nice bunch.

  6. seafoid says:

    I am reading a book about the history of the West of ireland in the 1800s. The English were so cruel.
    Irish peasants were treated like vermin as Israel treats the Gazans . As Iain Banks says in today’s Guardian they are my people . Israel is wrong on so many levels . It will not work . Never .

    • lysias says:

      A very informative book on the state of Ireland shortly before the Famine is Ireland: Social, Political, and Religious [L'Irlande sociale, politique et religieuse], written by de Toqueville’s travel companion Gustave de Beaumont in 1839 about a trip he made in Ireland in 1837. It describes a shockingly badly governed province.

    • Ellen says:

      And those who left trying to get work in the US often faced horrific working conditions.

      “Uncovering a Grimm Tale”

      link to nytimes.com

  7. Bumblebye says:

    Author Iain Banks, who announced just yesterday that he has terminal cancer, here explains why he supports a cultural boycott of Israel:
    link to guardian.co.uk

    “The problem is that constructive engagement and reasoned argument demonstrably have not worked, and the relatively crude weapon of boycott is pretty much all that’s left.”

  8. ivri says:

    The Irish have always been “religiously” anti-Israel. This has now become surrealistic with this move – in the midst of a “system collapse”, in which they need all the help in the world from anybody, they threaten boycotts. You don`t know whether to laugh or cry

    • Citizen says:

      @ivri
      Sorry, I don’t understand your comment. Are you saying that the Irish are merely against Israeli conduct and policy because Jews have a different religion? And are you saying that the historical Irish experience with England is simply a conflict of different Christian religions? What the f*** are you saying when you say “The Irish have always been “religiously” anti-Israel”? Please explain.

      • K Renner says:

        He’s trying to piss on the Irish. Notice how he says that it’s a joke that they are in favour of increasing boycotts of the delusional and hypocritical Israeli government and society because the Irish economy is in poor condition.

    • Ellen says:

      ivri, boycott may or may not be a constructive action. That can be debated.

      But the “religiously” anti-Israel comment is without foundation and well…rather stupid.

      Ireland is accustomed to “system collapse. ” And is not “threatening” anything. An Irish teacher’s union is, after all, not too significant on the world stage.

      But then again…..major movements often start on small stages.

    • Ecru says:

      The Jews have always been “religiously” anti-Gentile.

      Now no doubt you’d be one of the first wailing your (traditional Zionist cry of) “ANTISEMITISM! EEEEEVILLL! REMEMBER THE HOLOCAUST! BOO HOO HOO!” And yet here you are posting that rubbish about the Irish. Isn’t it ironic that Zionists are the very first to complain about any imagined prejudice (or more accurately anything they know isn’t bigotry but think they can pass off as same if they make a big enough stink and drag in the holocaust) and yet they are possibly the biggest bigots in the world. Seriously I’m beginning to wonder if the KKK’s going to open a facility in Ariel or Hebron so the white-hooded ones can learn from the masters.

      Oh and are we anti-colonialism, anit-apartheid, anti-land theft, etc. etc. etc.? YES! AND PROUD OF IT TOO!!

    • dbroncos says:

      ivri

      “…in the midst of a “system collapse”, in which they need all the help in the world from anybody”

      Got that right. The Irish could sure use some US tax payer benefactors to provide them with $3,000,000,000 per year in foreign aid in addition to “loan guarantees” and tax deductible donations. That would sure help them through a rough patch. It would make their entire economy feasible. But why would we Americans want to entangle ourselves to that extent with a nation that’s not our own?

    • amigo says:

      ivri are you a liar or just do not know you are talking about.

      DUBLIN) – Hammered by austerity measures a year after a massive EU-IMF bailout, Ireland is now being hailed as a eurozone poster boy for the way it is coming to terms with the consequences of its boom to bust.

      As the government implements cuts and tax hikes under its bailout programme, German Chancellor Angela Merkel has praised Ireland as a “superb example” of how a country can work its way out of a debt crisis.

      link to eubusiness.com

      Also Ireland is not taking 3.5 billion in hand outs from the USA.

      If you wish to denigrate others , look in the mirror first.

      link to wrmea.org

      • dublin’s my favorite city in all of europe. i went nuts in ireland, totally loved the people. they’re wild and they say what’s on their mind,albeit they’re a little hard to understand sometimes when they fully express themselves, especially at the pub where i spent a fair amount of time.

    • Joe Ed says:

      I know. I know. The whole world is anti-Israel and Jew haters for no none reason. Or maybe because we are jealous of Jewish superiority in all things.

      How long can a people hang on to such a worldview before reality and common sense intrudes? Apparently indefinitely

    • seafoid says:

      Vile hasbara. For years we were told the Irish were scum. Now we see Jews say the same of Gazans. It wasn’t true of the Irish and it isn’t true of Gaza. Zionism is sick. Ireland will recover. Ut will always exist. Israel won’t. It is too farcical.

      • For years we were told the Irish were scum

        really? where was that?

        • lysias says:

          really? where was that?

          In 19th century America. “No Irish need apply.” Just look at how Nast’s cartoons in Harper’s portrayed the Irish.

        • gamal says:

          “really? where was that?”
          If i may interject anti-Irish racism was rife in the UK of the 70′s and 80′s, drunken, lazy, thieving, stupid and dirty were all qualities thought to be essentials of Irish identity when i went to live in West Cork, in ’80 even i was surprised by how hard working and intelligent and literate the country folk were, they drank pretty heavily and as a farm labourer i fell in with their habits, even today i cant manage more than a couple of Guiness’s in 3 years i drank a life time dose. They had very sophisticated literary and musical culture, i met and got drunk with the cream of Traditional musicians, Seamus Creagh, Declan Sinnott sang “She’s as sweet as Tupelo honey” and “Hiorshima/Nagaski Russian roulette” in my kitchen one night, then we drank whiskey and plied fiddles till dawn, many of them hailed from Clare and Connacht, halcyon days, I got there just as Bobby Sands was dying, his last month or so, time moves on and i lived there again from 09-12, not the same, no where is, especially as you age, i am deeply indebted to Irish culture and the extraordinary welcome they extended to strangers to this day,

          (Dublin is your favorite city, alas, Cork, the rebel province and Cork city are infinitely superior, the Craic is far better down south, from Catletownsend to Allihies via Skibbereen ( a town and a great song) and Castletownbere, its Gods own country, and where Tom Barry and the flying column put paid to the vile Black and Tans)

        • Ellen says:

          Annie , not in our lifetimes, but for sure at the end of the 19th century and up to the middle of the 20th. My Grandparents, from the Gaeltracht of Ireland were ashamed of their origins, would not speak Irish in front of us as it was thought to be uneducated. They liked to pretend they were English in the US as employment opportunities for them when they young were much better. At least that was the perception. I don’t think they were unusual in that thinking.

          The “troubles” in Ireland were depicted as simply — and fallaciously — a religious conflict and the British fight for defense against drunken, diseased, rock throwing Catholics met much sympathy and support in a predominantly Protestant US. Then things started to change in the 60s.

          There are many parallels between the conflicts around the occupations. (Even with Turkish ships sent to Ireland in spite of the occupying sea blockade.)

          Maybe there will be in it’s eventual resolution as well and it will start when Palestinians are presented as real people and not “scum.” I think we are beginning to see that.

          I hope….

        • Ellen says:

          Annie, your question, “Really where was that?” is wonderful.

          Indicates that there is not a cultivation of historical injustices of a group to build self identity/political identity.

          The way it should be for a healty person/people.

        • Citizen says:

          @ Annie Robbins

          Here’s the general answer to your questions. The details and most prominent time periods are easily available online by using Google or another search engine: link to voices.yahoo.com

          Here’s another quickie on treatment of the Irish in America: link to en.wikipedia.org

        • gamal says:

          800 hundred years and now neo-liberalism has replaced the fearful Saxon spleen:

          Skibbereen

    • Citizen says:

      @ ivri
      Truth is, the Irish know something about the experience of genocide, or are you unaware of the great potato famine and how it was handled by the British? link to irishhistorylinks.net

      Thus, not hard for the Irish to identify with the Palestinians, and not Israel.

  9. amigo says:

    As an Irish person, I am proud of these teachers.I look forward to Ireland taking a leading role in the drive to end Israeli aggression and War crimes.

    Irish people are well aware of what the Palestinians suffer at the hands of the Rogue nation.

    We been there and done that.

    As to hating Israel, twaddle.We simply detest Israel,s policies.