One family’s story illustrates the cumulative impact of Israeli interference in Palestinians’ lives

Mohammed

Mohammed Abel Rahman

Tia, a Palestinian toddler in Qalandia refugee camp, looks doll-like, with a yellow bow in her hair. She only just celebrated her first birthday, but already Israel has intervened in nearly every aspect of her life. In a sense Israel even instigated her birth.

Four years ago, according to her father, Mohammed Abdel Rahman, an Israeli military judge offered him a secret deal. He told Mohammed to get married within 19 days or he would serve his five-year suspended sentence in prison. They also forced him to change universities. “They said they wanted me to calm down, but they interfered with my personal life and tried to provoke me.” His eyes suggested a maturity that is common among Palestinians who came of age during the second Intifada and who have served prison terms.

Now, only 24, Mohammed is married with a toddler and another child on the way, and already his life story reads like an inventory of Israeli harassment tactics.

Israeli occupation policies affect all aspects of Palestinians’ lives, including where they can study and how they get food. A recent NPR story on This American Life even documented in chilling detail how Israeli soldiers routinely invade Palestinian homes in the middle of the night to photograph children, ostensibly for security purposes. However, while teargas and shooting have become cliché in reporting about occupation, the cumulative impact of Israeli interference in Palestinians’ lives is rarely reported.

Mohammed knows the ingenuity of Israeli harassment tactics first hand. He was only 17, not yet a legal adult, when Israeli soldiers first came for him, claiming he was a member of an illegal organization. This video shows the day of his arrest; Mohammed says he is the one being put into the ambulance at the end of the clip.

Recalling the events of March 2, 2007 in Qalandia refugee camp, he said, “I escaped to a nearby house. About one hundred soldiers stormed the house. I was unarmed, but they shot at me. I was hit in the right leg and it destroyed the bone between my knee and hip.”

“So many people came to help me that the soldiers weren’t able to arrest me that day,” Mohammed smiled, “but they wounded thirteen more people trying to get me.” Camp residents told him that soldiers later shoveled over the entrance of the house where Mohammed was shot. Mohammed believes they sought to destroy evidence that he says proves that Israeli Special Forces shot an unarmed minor using illegal ammunition. Such incidents are not rare.

Palestinians, who are the world’s oldest and largest refugee population, are protected under various international laws. Yet Yousef Hushiyeh, Chief Area Officer of the Jerusalem and Jericho Area for the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA), said, “Residents of Qalandia refugee camp are subjected to many abuses.”

Mohammed spent ten months in the hospital as a result of his injuries that day. Dr. Ahmad Bitawi, who is currently director of Ramallah Hospital, treated him for a fractured femur with a platinum implant. “The injury was consistent with the damage caused by dum-dum bullets,” Dr. Bitawi confirmed. Although use of dum-dum, or exploding bullets, is prohibited by international humanitarian law, Dr. Mousa Alatary, an orthopedic surgeon at Ramallah Hospital, said, “We see gunshot injuries every week. About 20 percent of them are the result of exploding bullets.”

Mohammed was finally sent home from the hospital to continue his rehabilitation.“I knew the soldiers would come to arrest me. But it was snowing, which is very rare in Palestine, so I thought they would wait until after the snow stopped.” They didn’t. Mohammed was arrested the same day.

He spent 65 days in interrogation at Israel’s infamous Moscowbiya facility, a period so horrible that he is still haunted by memories years later. He found the psychological tactics—denied sunlight so he did not know what time of day it was; sudden, threatening banging on metal; frigid air conditioning after mandatory showers—worse than the physical pain.

“I complained to the woman from the Red Cross when she finally came to see me on the 30th day of my detention,” Mohammed said. “She didn’t seem very sympathetic. She just wrote down what I said and gave me three cigarettes and some clothes. The prison guard took the clothes away as soon as she left, and I don’t smoke.”

In court, the Israeli military prosecutor asked for seven years, so Mohammed felt fortunate when the judge brought it down to two years in prison with five years of probation. Mohammed was still under 18 when he was sent to Ofer Prison and later to Naqab Prison.

Mohammed recalls that the Israeli human rights organization, Btselem, which regularly monitors the status of minors in detention, saw him twice—once in the hospital after his injury, and again during his initial court proceedings, but Btselem was unable to locate Mohammed’s file and couldn’t comment on his case.

As the occupying power, Israel is strictly bound by International Humanitarian Law (IHL), International Human Rights Law, and a host of other protections. Also treatment of prisoners is governed by international rules concerning the administration of justice. These include treaties, customary international law, judicial decisions, and general principles of international law, butviolations are frequent and well documented.

“It is typical for Israeli soldiers to enter refugee camps without a legitimate military objective, which can provoke stone-throwing, to which Israeli forces frequently respond with disproportionate force,” commented Shawan Jabarin, General Director of Al-Haq, a Palestinian human rights organization. “It is common for them to arrest young men, individually or en masse, and hold the suspects incommunicado. They are not read their rights before being interrogated, and are often denied requests for a lawyer.”

Lawyers who work with Palestinian detainees say that denial of rights continues throughout the judicial processInvestigators regularly ask judges to postpone sentencing so they have more time for interrogation, which can involve mistreatment and even torture, even when detainees are children. Only after information is obtained under duress and charges are filed does the suspect get access to a lawyer. But if the lawyer is Palestinian, he or she may not be able to enter Israel to visit the prisoner, who is often transferred to Israel for detention, a practice considered a breach of the Geneva Convention. Furthermore, lawyers say that it often takes two to three years for a case to reach trial, and since there are no provisions for bail, there is tremendous pressure on prisoners’ families to cut a deal. One lawyer concluded that about 95 percent of cases end with a plea bargain and outcomes that further curtail suspect’s rights.

Israel’s infamous administrative detention policy allows the authorities to bypass even the sentencing process: Palestinians can be held for up to six months without being charged with a crime and without any opportunity to defend themselves. Moreover administrative orders are frequently renewed, sometimes for many years.

In Mohammed’s case, he was sentenced, served two years and was released with five years of probation, as promised. But after six months he was arrested again.

“Someone turned me in,” Mohammed said. “They lied and said I had weapons but it wasn’t true. The interrogators tried to get me to agree to collaborate and become a spy for them against my own people. They threatened to imprison me for five more years saying that I violated my probation.”

Mohammed wasn’t the first person in his family to experience psychological coercion by Israeli military officials. He described how his older brother was in detention when he developed a growth on his neck. The prison doctor said that it was an insect bite, but it turned out to be cancer. For the next seven years Nidal was in and out of hospitals and at every stage Israeli intelligence services questioned him. More than once, Mohammed said, the interrogator promised Nidal treatment if he would provide information about political activists in the camp but Nidal refused. “Just before he died, Nidal was denied permission to go to Jordan for treatment, but the Israelis had already stolen all his medical files from our house, so it didn’t really matter anyway.”

When Mohammed went before the military judge the second time, for allegedly violating his probation, he was not sentenced to serve five more years as he had feared. “There was no evidence that I had done anything wrong,” he said, “but I felt they were all working together to pressure me to say I was guilty of something. The judge sent me back to the Israeli military intelligence agents and they tried to play with my mind. They pretended to be interested in me. They asked what I wanted to do with my life and I told them I wanted to get married and have a family.”

When Mohammed reappeared in court that day, the judge greeted him by saying “Mabrook,” which means “congratulations” in Arabic. “He told me I had to get married in 19 days or he’d arrest me again and sentence me,” Mohammed said. A lawyer, who refused to be identified, confirmed that Israeli military judges frequently take advantage of prisoners’ personal situations to elicit certain kinds of cooperation. He gave the example of a man, engaged to be married, who was released from prison for his wedding on condition that he would leave the country for a minimum of two years. Often, he said, prisoners with severe tooth pain are given pain relief in exchange for confessions.

“It took me three months, not 19 days, to find Rana,” Mohammed said, glancing proudly at his wife who poured glasses of soda in their kitchen. “But they [Israeli military intelligence] were asking about me the whole time. They knew that I was seriously looking for a wife.” Rana was 16 at the time of their marriage.

Rana said that Israeli military officers visited their home soon after the wedding claiming they came to congratulate them. “They sat on the couch in our living room for five hours pretending to be friendly,” Rana said. “But before they left, they broke everything in the bedroom and the bathrooms,” Mohammed added.

Ironically, Israel is under attack for its policies that impede marriage. They are not known for encouraging Palestinians to marry.

A few months later, Rana miscarried when Israeli soldiers let off a stun grenade next to their house in Qalandia refugee camp. “There was a lot of shooting that day, and our walls are thin,” Mohammed knocked on the plaster to demonstrate his point. “We were moving from room to room, staying away from the outer walls in case a bullet came through,” When the loud crack of the stun grenade went off just below their window, Rana felt a severe pain and ran to the bathroom where she started bleeding profusely. She had not known that she was pregnant.

“Rana was scared, so I couldn’t leave her. But I could see three young men had been shot in the street near my house. The soldiers were right in front of my door. It was dangerous so I didn’t go out. Later two of my friends died and I still feel guilty that I didn’t go out to help them,” Mohammed said.

“I grew up in this refugee camp, too,” Rana said. “One of my uncles was killed by soldiers and several of them are in prison. I’m used to it.” When asked why she married Mohammed, knowing his history and the likelihood that his problems would continue, she smiled shyly, “It’s my destiny.”

But now that they are parents Mohammed and Rana are more concerned about the long-term impact of the violence that surrounds them. “One time we were sleeping on the floor so my daughter wouldn’t fall,” Mohammed recalled. “She climbed up on me while I was having a nightmare about soldiers grabbing me and I pushed her away very hard. I nearly hurt her.”

Though it would be difficult financially, Mohammed and Rana could leave Qalandia refugee camp and live in Ramallah, where conditions are easier. “But,” Mohammed said, “that’s what they want. They want us to leave the refugee camp, and get a comfortable life, and forget our right of return.” The couple intend to stay put.

Mohammed conceded: “I did get married and I did calm down, but the Israeli plan for us isn’t going to work.” Despite Israel’s daily harassment and intervention in nearly all aspects of Mohammed’s life, and the lives of millions of other Palestinians, the Palestinian people still have their dreams and determination. Mohammed said: “They may destroy our lives, but they can’t damage our national spirit. It’s always inside of us.”

About Nora Lester Murad

Writer of fiction and commentary about Palestine. Blogs at The View from My Window in Palestine at www.noralestermurad.com.
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  1. just says:

    Thank you Nora.

    How in the world has Israel gotten away with this? I hope and pray that they will be tried @ the ICC and finally justice will be done for this family and the many, many other victims of the war crimes that Israel continues to commit.

    Millions of people have been and are continually abused by Israel. Thankfully, the Palestinians remain steadfast and resilient. May they finally get freedom from their brutish oppressors.

    • Walid says:

      Just, in case you missed it, your old friend the original Mahane with the funny English is back. The more literate one is off this week.

      • @Walid: Look, although you are anti-Israeli, I always appreciated you as one of the realistic readers of this web site and I also enjoyed reading your comments which I found very informative. I strongly recommend you to avoid such comments which contain personal attacks and have no place in this site. I told you several times that my English is not so good, and from time to time I have mistakes in my comments. This is not a reason to mock me and, by doing so, to decrease my credibility. I would appreciate if you relate to the content of the things I write in my comments, if it interests you.

        • Walid says:

          Mahane, I’m not mocking you but going along with Just’s observation on how your mastery of the English language varries from one day to the next , which shows that there are different versions of you showing up here, so I can’t take you too seriously.

        • @Walid: OK, you are welcome. Don’t take me seriously. I won’t behave like you and will continue to read your posts and if necessary and if I have something to add, I will reply them. God with you – Allah Ma’ak!!

  2. American says:

    Is there a zio available to tell me again why this Zio entity has a ‘right to exist’?
    Right to exist—> Cancelled—-as far as I am concerned.

    • Ludwig says:

      American. I will answer you if you use proper terminology. Change “Zio” to “Zionist” change “Zio entity” to “State of Israel” then you will get your answer. Not before.

      • amigo says:

        “American. I will answer you if you use proper terminology. Change “Zio” to “Zionist” change “Zio entity” to “State of Israel” then you will get your answer. Not before.ludwig

        Change Zio to racist and change zio entity to criminal state.

        BTW , you are not dealing with unarmed Palestinians here.

        Stuff your demands and answers .

      • talknic says:

        Ludwig ” I will answer you if you use proper terminology. Change “Zio” to “Zionist” change “Zio entity” to “State of Israel” then you will get your answer. Not before.”

        Zionists are not the State of Israel. They are however responsible for Israel’s state. A pariah

        • Ludwig says:

          Israel is not a pariah. It has friendly relations with many states and billions of dollars in trade. Tourism is booming. Not a Pariah by any measure.

        • Woody Tanaka says:

          “Israel is not a pariah.”

          The zionist entity is hated and rejected by many people (and given it’s apartheid system and barbarous acts, who can blame them.) Is the zionist entity a universal pariah? No. But it is a pariah.

      • Cliff says:

        No Zio, the proper terminology for you is, thief/liar/terrorist/rapist/murderer/COLONIST.

      • eljay says:

        >> American. I will answer you if you use proper terminology. Change “Zio” to “Zionist” change “Zio entity” to “State of Israel” then you will get your answer. Not before.

        You don’t care about Israel as the State of Israel, you care about Israel as supremacist “Jewish State”.

        Israel exists as the former, but it has no right to exist as the latter. No state has a right to exist as a supremacist state.

      • Woody Tanaka says:

        Earwig, “zio” and “zionist entity” are nicer than you people deserve. But if you and that abomination of a state were called what you deserve to be called, it probably wouldn’t get past moderation.

        • Eurosabra says:

          That’s not a question, it’s a demand that we not BE here. Which is, I suppose, leveling up from the previous demand that we not be.

          Although I do suppose I will have to drop JStreet as they’ve now outed themselves re:BDS and I will have to BDS them first.

        • Woody Tanaka says:

          “That’s not a question, it’s a demand that we not BE here. Which is, I suppose, leveling up from the previous demand that we not be.”

          Grow up and stuff the victim mongering. We’re talking about the supposed right to build a ethnoreligious Apartheid state on someone else’s land.

  3. “They may destroy our lives, but they can’t damage our national spirit. It’s always inside of us.” – Correct!! unfortunately, many Jewish families can say the same thing, so, let’s start build our lives.

    • GL: One more of your arguments that can be summarized in the following way: “Jews – bad, Palestinians – good”. Thank you for writing the word “most” although in brackets, that was unusual to the generalization you are doing frequently.

      I assume you don’t speak Arabic and can’t understand the Arabs leaders like the leaders of Fatah, Hamas and Hizb-Allah (Hezbollah). So, let me, please, correct you. Many Palestinians and Arabs fight for supremacy in this land. All the statements about equality are intended to Western ears. Inside the organizations and to the Israeli ears, the melody sounds different, something that increases the fear among the Israelis and causes them to entrench themselves in their positions. I hope the new melody from the east (PA and Iran) will be totally different.

      • German Lefty says:

        One more of your arguments that can be summarized in the following way: “Jews – bad, Palestinians – good”.
        Nope. The correct summary is: Zionists = criminals, Palestinians = victims.

        Thank you for writing the word “most” although in brackets, that was unusual to the generalization you are doing frequently.
        Nope. That was not unusual. “Most Jews” simply means “Zionist Jews”. I have never claimed that ALL Jews are evil.

        Many Palestinians and Arabs fight for supremacy in this land.
        Liar! It’s the Zionists who misinterpret the Palestinian demand for equality as the call for a second Holocaust.

      • GL: liar? your heartless reply only shows me that I right and you always speak in general ignoring that both sides are victims. In my original reply, when I wrote “unfortunately, many Jewish families can say the same thing” I meant to the innocent people in Israel that lost members of their families in a brutal terror attacks against them. These attacks were against unarmed civilians. Calling these victims criminals is no more than cruelty.

        BTW, I didn’t mention the Holocaust, so don’t rewrite my comments. in addition, you always relate to small part of my comments which convenient to you. This time you totally ignored the end of the sentence I wrote “so, let’s start build our lives” which is calling for peace.

        • German Lefty says:

          your heartless reply only shows me that I right and you always speak in general ignoring that both sides are victims.

          Oh, really? You expect me to be sympathetic to Zionists? No way!

          I meant to the innocent people in Israel that lost members of their families in a brutal terror attacks against them. These attacks were against unarmed civilians. Calling these victims criminals is no more than cruelty.

          Well, they can thank their own government for this. As long as the Zionist regime continues to oppress and dispossess Palestinians, Palestinians have the right to defend themselves. And this right includes violent resistance. Stop referring to this violent resistance as terror attacks! The cause of Palestinian violent resistance is Zionism. Zionist action leads to a Palestinian reaction. Therefore, if you want this violent resistance to end, then you should help us get rid of Zionism. Once Zionism is over and Palestinians have equal rights, there’s no reason for them to engage in violent resistance anymore. And then there won’t be any further “Jewish victims”.

        • German Lefty says:

          This time you totally ignored the end of the sentence I wrote “so, let’s start build our lives” which is calling for peace.

          Peace, peace, peace. I can’t hear it anymore. Stop emphasising that you want peace. Everyone wants peace. The difference is that anti-Zionists want peace and justice, whereas Zionists want peace on terms that are fundamentally unjust to Palestinians. The primary goal must be justice, not peace. Justice will sooner or later lead to peace, whereas peace won’t lead to justice. When will you start demanding justice?

      • Elliot says:

        Mahane Yehuda,
        The thrust of GL’s comments are directed at the parity you suggest between Jewish and Palestinian suffering. The context is one of great disparity of power and rights and your call to just get on with it is callous.

        In general, it’s ok and common for commenters to focus on individual statements. They are often quite revealing and we should be able to stand behind everything we write, no?

        • In general, it’s ok and common for commenters to focus on individual statements.

          he knows that. note how he skipped right over parts of GL’s commentary that didn’t pertain to his argument. unless he left it sort of dangling in the wind leaving us to guess the ‘heartless/cruelty’ melodrama thing was …basically everything she said!

          i need to go tune my violin.

        • @Elliot: I hope you read several of my former comments. I stated many times that I agree that since Israel is military and economically stronger, the sufferings of the Palestinians is greater. But, this fact doesn’t mean that their is no sufferings in our side. Many people here lost member of their families in wars and terror attack and many live under missile attacks threats. Unfortunately, I don’t see any sympathy to those innocent victims. General statements like “Zionist criminals, Palestinians victims” or “Zionist say death to Arabs” are, IMO, heartless. Unfortunately, I see a lot of such comments here even comments that justify terror attacks against unarmed civilians. my original comment was a call for peace and the reply was not so nice to read.

          IMO, the first step toward peace will be when each side will recognize the other side victims and sufferings. From my side, I stated many times, that Israel must take responsibility to the creation of the refugee problem and compensate them. I hope to read something similar from the other side. And i repeat again: “I hope the new melody from the east (PA and Iran) will be totally different”. Shalom.

        • @Annie:No, I didn’t skip over parts of GL’s comments and I replied to all arguments in her comment (The correction from “Jews” to “Zionist Jews” didn’t change). Look, it is not the first time that I read her comments with the generalization she is doing like “The Zionists wish death to people”.
          link to mondoweiss.net

          and now, with “Zionist criminals” after I wrote that their are also Jewish victims, innocent people that lost members of their families.
          My original comment was with a message of peace “unfortunately, many Jewish families can say the same thing, so, let’s start build our lives” and I didn’t expect such reply.

        • Elliot says:

          MY – people are suspicious of Israeli manipulation of victims of violence. Many of these are not so innocent: soldiers, settlers and other perpretrators of violence are all viewed as “victims of terror” by Israel. OTOH, Palestinians who are killed are branded as terrorists.
          Until you acknowledge these manipulations, I doubt people here will offer the compassion you ask for.
          The disparity in rights which I wrote about is far more significant that the military imbalance that enforces it. You did not read that in my comment.

        • @Elliot: Now I agree with you: “Many” means “not all” means their are some who are innocent victims. I don’t call a soldier, even Israeli soldier, that died in battle an innocent victim. But, to a parent and three of their children lost their lives while eating Pizza’s in Jerusalem restaurant I call innocent victims.
          I agree with you that Israel should not call any killed Palestinian a terrorists. We, the Israelis, know that many of them are innocent people that have nothing with terror. In some cases Israel compensated the families (although people say it is not enough). Believe me, Elliot, I personally sorry each time when I heard about innocent victim, Israeli or Palestinian, and want to see the end of it.

        • German Lefty says:

          The correction from “Jews” to “Zionist Jews” didn’t change.

          I didn’t correct anything. I simply explained to you that the phrase “most Jews” refers to “Zionist Jews”. Anyone who is familiar with my comments should know how this was meant. Besides, we were talking about the people in Israel. And it’s a fact that “most Jews” in Israel are “Zionist Jews”. Zionist Jews can’t be considered victims. They are the perpetrators.
          Of course, to a Zionist like you, there’s no difference between the terms “Jews” and “Zionists”. That’s why you misinterpret anti-Zionist comments as anti-Semitic comments.

        • German Lefty says:

          Israel must take responsibility to the creation of the refugee problem and compensate them.

          Only compensation? That’s not sufficient. Israel needs to start respecting international law by granting the Palestinian refugees their right of return. What you want Israel to do is continue to ignore international law and bribe the Palestinian refugees into perpetual exile. That’s unacceptable! The right of return is a human right. And human rights are not for sale.

        • “Many” means “not all”

          what dictionary are you using?

        • eljay says:

          >> Believe me, Elliot, I personally sorry each time when I heard about innocent victim, Israeli or Palestinian, and want to see the end of it.

          So end it. End the occupation, remove yourself back to within your / Partition borders, honour your obligations under international law, and enter into sincere negotiations for a just and mutually beneficial peace.

          Oh, I see, you “want to see the end of it” while undoing as little as possible of your “Greater Israel” and without having to give up your supremacist “Jewish State”. How very noble of you.

        • @GL: You are wrong again and you rewrite my comments. I didn’t mentioned Antisemitism at all!!! And I didn’t say your comment was anti-Semitic one. I only wrote about the generalization you are doing frequently in many of your comments. I don’t think it is right to write things like: ““The Zionists wish death to people”. (BTW, I don’t see your original comment).

          I still think that your attitude to the conflict is wrong and maybe, unintentionally, little heedless. I don’t need your sympathy nor your mercy. but, claims such as “Zionist Jews can’t be considered victims”, after many here lost their parents or their children or other members of their families, are wrong. Even many Palestinians condemned these terror attacks and asked to stop them. Don’t think you help the Palestinians with such claims. All of this only increase the concerns and fears among the Israelis.

          About your recommendation to me in one of your many replies to “help you get rid of Zionism” I must say that although I consider myself as a gentleman and never say no to a lady, this time I have to disappoint you and say “No, thank you!”.

          OK, from my side I don’t have more to add. Shalom.

        • German Lefty says:

          @ MahaneYehude1
          I don’t think it is right to write things like: “The Zionists wish death to people”.
          Well, the Zionists want a Jewish state on Palestinian land. That’s why they need to get rid of the indigenous people. From a Zionist perspective, dead Palestinians are preferable to exiled Palestinians, because dead Palestinians can’t demand a right of return.

          I still think that your attitude to the conflict is wrong and maybe, unintentionally, little heedless.
          Heedless? What’s wrong with equal rights?

          claims such as “Zionist Jews can’t be considered victims”, after many here lost their parents or their children or other members of their families, are wrong
          I already explained my reasoning in one of my previous posts to you. Zionist crimes are the CAUSE of Palestinian violent resistance. That’s why Zionists can’t be considered victims. However, you conveniently ignore this point.

          Even many Palestinians condemned these terror attacks and asked to stop them.
          Well, Palestinians aren’t a homogeneous group. Therefore, it’s only logical that they are divided over which form of resistance is the most effective.

          I must say that although I consider myself as a gentleman and never say no to a lady, this time I have to disappoint you and say “No, thank you!”
          So, if a woman told you to kill some Palestinians, you would say yes. But if a woman told you to give Palestinians equal rights, you would say no. Mr Gentleman, I really think that you need to start being gentle to the gentile Palestinians.

          OK, from my side I don’t have more to add.
          You just want to end the conversation because you know that I am right and you are wrong.

          Shalom.
          Shalom is not enough. How about chofesh, shivion, and tzedek? For Palestinians.

      • Light says:

        All the statements about equality are intended to Western ears. Inside the organizations and to the Israeli ears, the melody sounds different

        That reminds me of the Israeli press. The Hebrew and English versions often differ as well.

    • Woody Tanaka says:

      “so, let’s start build our lives.”

      Great. Get your state to pull every one of its people back behind the green line, stop interfering with Palestine and the Palestinian people, and give just compensation for all those it’s harmed. What are you wasting your time here for; the solution — which you claim to want — lies solely with the people runnig the zionist entity to bring liberation, freedom and justice to the Palestinians.

      • @Woody: No, it is your great mistake: that the solution is in our hands only. The solution of this conflict is in the hands of Israel, the Palestinians and the Arab countries. Don’t expect Israel to be the only one doing compromises. I agree that Israel has to withdrawal the OT and give just compensations (together with the Arab countries which also have responsibility to creation of the refugees problem). In return Palestine has to recognize Israel as a Jewish state and stop the armed struggle against us.

        • Woody Tanaka says:

          “Don’t expect Israel to be the only one doing compromises.”

          How dare you? If you pull back to the green line, the Palestinians will have compromised to the extent of 78% OF THEIR LAND!! How god damned much more compromise do you people want the Palestinians to make?

          “In return Palestine has to recognize Israel as a Jewish state and stop the armed struggle against us.”

          You would have the right to have your government recognized and a end of hostilities between the two states, nothing more. “Jewish state”?? Who the hell do you think you are, demanding that another state accept your bigoted ideology?

        • libra says:

          MY1: @Woody: No, it is your great mistake: that the solution is in our hands only.

          Maybe your great mistake Mahane was to put the solution in the hands of the Palestinians, believing they would always settle for their own state even if it ended up being little more than the size of a potato patch.

        • Light says:

          MahaneYehude1,
          Israel was founded by ethnically cleansing Palestine. The Palestinians have every right to demand justice for what has been done. Wanting peace and doing something to achieve peace are two different things. Your compromise is asking Palestinians to accept the status quo. Instead, you should be asking the Palestinians for forgiveness for what your country has done to them.

        • @Light: Do you cal to independent Palestine state a”status quo”?

        • Woody: The compromises Israel asks are two: end of hostilities, which I think is a basic demand when doing peace and, of course, I agree with you that Israel would also put end to the hostilities. Second, recognize Israel as a Jewish state. The second, for you is a “bigoted ideology”, but for us is a guaranty that Israel will always be home to any Jew in danger of persecutions, restrictions and humiliations. This is the basis of the Zionist movement and the state of Israel.

        • @libra: And your great mistake is always stuff the potatoes in your comments to me!!!

        • Light says:

          A state that does not have control of its borders, airspace and natural resources is not an independent state.
          A state that is a collection disconnected archipelagos is not an independent state.
          A state that cannot defend itself is not an independent state.

        • @Light: I agree with you. The Palestinians have right to full independent state including air, borders and water control.

        • German Lefty says:

          @ MahaneYehude1
          The Palestinians have right to full independent state including air, borders and water control.
          Oh, really? And on what percentage of their land? On 100% of Palestinian land or on 22% of Palestinian land? Or even less?

  4. German Lefty says:

    Thanks for this very informative article!