Israel maintains gag order in missing teens’ case, leading to charge of media ‘manipulation’

Israel/Palestine
Missing Israeli teens, posted by the IDF

Missing Israeli teens, posted by the IDF

The Israeli government has imposed a gag order on journalists covering the apparent abduction of three Jewish teens in the West Bank last week to keep media from reporting details of its investigation.

The gag order, which we publish below, has prevented media from reporting on an emergency telephone call made by one of the abducted youths. A widespread rumor is that the sound of a shot can be heard on the call. Mondoweiss has talked with one Israeli source who claims to have listened to the recording and confirms gunshots can be heard. This rumor has fed speculation that Israeli authorities believe one or more of the boys is dead– speculation that has appeared in print.

Gag orders are not uncommon, but some in social media have suggested that Israel is maintaining this gag order as a cynical means of prolonging raids on the West Bank that have nothing to do with the missing boys but are intended to break up the new Palestinian unity government of Fatah and Hamas.

This Facebook post from June 19 by Noam Sheizaf, a leading Israeli journalist, says (in translation) that the gag order is being maintained in order to “preserve the local and international legitimacy” for a military policy aimed at Hamas– and as such the gag order is a form of media “manipulation.” 

Sheizaf mentioned rumors that the boys are dead; he cited an article by Haaretz military correspondent Amos Harel, published Friday, that hinted that the military believes they are dead, because its operation in the West Bank even four days after the apparent abduction had nothing to do with the missing teens.

“Even within the IDF there is support for the claim that expansion of the operation against Hamas harms the main goal of finding the kidnapped teens,” Haaretz summarized Harel’s piece. Harel wrote:

There were moments this week when the goal [of finding the boys] seemed near, but those hopes were dashed. If the kidnapped youths are no longer alive, as has happened in many of the previous kidnappings in the West Bank, completing the intelligence puzzle will be even more difficult.

Harel also cautioned Israelis to limit their “expectations” that the boys were coming home.

Richard Silverstein went further yesterday on his site:

My Israeli source tells me that based on what he’s heard from intelligence sources, the three boys kidnapped last week are likely dead.  He rated the possibility at 90%.  He tells me that though the Hamas detainees have not revealed any involvement of the movement with the crime, they have told interrogators that militants, since the kidnapping of Nachshon Wachsman, have learned you cannot remain undetected in the West Bank (as opposed to Gaza) with two security services hunting for you.  In the Wachsman case, they kept him alive as a bargaining chip, only to have the IDF assault his hiding place in an attempt to free him, and kill him instead in the process.  That is why most kidnap victims are killed.

There is a rumor, which Israeli journalists have publicly circulated on social media, that the intelligence services in fact know that they are dead.

Here’s the text of the gag order. It refers to the Hebron police, a branch of Israeli security. The gag order was ordered by an Israeli military officer and is signed by an Israeli judge.

15/06/2014

Title: “Request for a closed door hearing and issuing a gag order”

The petitioner is the State of Israel via the Hebron police and the Israeli police

A: I hereby request a closed door hearing and also a request for a gag order in accordance with section 68 and 70 to the court’s law (integrated version. 1984)
B: Following the reasons for the request:
With regard to an incident where it is feared there was a abduction of three Israeli citizens in the Hebron area

C: Given all this, I request that the honorable court orders the assembling of a hearing in closed doors [“in closed doors” is slashed] and also an a gag order that will prohibit the publishing of the following details
[X] All the details of the investigation
[X] All detail that might identify the suspect
[V] The existence of the investigation
[V] The existence of the order
[X] The following details [“the following details” is slashed]

D: The order will stand as long as it has not been annulled or a new order is issued under it, until the date _____________

In order to allow the application of the order I request permission to disseminate the fact of the existence of the gag order to the media if necessary.

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  1. oldgeezer
    June 23, 2014, 1:41 pm

    I have no belief one way or the other but isn’t their death rather hard to square with the pics of the smiling parents? Unless they’ve been kept in the dark about what may have happened. It’s also hard to square Israel’s actions with any desire to get them back alive.

  2. just
    June 23, 2014, 1:48 pm

    “The three mothers of the kidnapped Israeli teenagers plan to speak to the United Nations Human Rights Council in order to enlist international help in freeing their children, Ynet reported Monday.

    Rachel Fraenkel, the mother of Naftali Fraenkel, left for Geneva Monday. She will be joined by the mothers of Eyal Yifrah and Gilad Shaer on Tuesday.

    The effort to speak to the UN is the initiative of a delegation of young emissaries from the Israeli town of Shoham, which was visiting Switzerland. During discussions in Geneva, the youths raised the possibility of the parents of the kidnap victims speaking.

    Hillel Neuer, director of UN Watch, is organizing the trip, according to Ynet. The parents hesitated, and the Foreign Ministry recommended they decline the offer. In the end, however, Foreign Ministry official Daniel Miron will accompany the mothers and organize local meetings for them, Ynet reported.

    Fraenkel, an American-Israeli citizen, is expected to speak to the UN council and call on the international community to get involved in releasing the boys, whose fate is unknown.”

    link to haaretz.com

    I’m speechless.

    • seafoid
      June 23, 2014, 2:04 pm

      That is a Grade 1 WTF

      Settlers going to the UN to talk about human rights.

      • DaBakr
        June 23, 2014, 3:03 pm

        @sf
        kind of like having Arab dictatorships sitting on the human rights council, huh?
        but i’m sure you’ll explain why Jews living in the west bank are much much worse

      • Taxi
        June 23, 2014, 10:20 pm

        Dabakr,

        Actually NNNNNNNO it ISN’T ” like having Arab dictatorships sitting on the human rights council”!

        More like zionist land theives and mass murderers AGAIN wasting UN time with their false flag ops and crocodile tears.

        Sniffle-sniffs, here’s your box of tissues and brand new violin, Dab – be sure to tune to to Z major.

      • talknic
        June 24, 2014, 5:06 am

        @ DaBakr “kind of like having Arab dictatorships sitting on the human rights council, huh?”

        Not at all. Dictators or not, like ‘em or not, they’re NOT illegally acquiring acquiring other folks territory by war and other nefarious means, NOT illegally annexing other folks territory, NOT building illegal settlements in other folks territory, NOT illegally selling land in other folks territory to their illegally settling citizens, they’re NOT illegally creating facts on the ground, NOT in breach of hundreds of UNSC resolutions

        Say …. is that the same UNHRC Israel is so keen to join?

        “but i’m sure you’ll explain why Jews living in the west bank are much much worse”

        Jewish Israeli citizens ARE supporting the Israeli govt as it illegally acquires other folks territory by war and other nefarious means, ARE supporting the Israeli govt illegally annex other folks territory, ARE supporting the Israeli govt building illegal settlements in other folks territory, ARE illegally buying land in other folks territory, ARE helping the Israeli govt create illegal facts on the ground in other folks territory, a govt that IS in breach of hundreds of UNSC resolutions.

        Try something else buddy… your spiel ain’t gonna work here

    • Shmuel
      June 23, 2014, 2:18 pm

      The mothers themselves have every right and every reason to go to the UN, but putting themselves in the hands of the Israeli foreign ministry and especially that clown Hillel Neuer simply turns their efforts into a grotesque PR stunt. Poor women, poor boys.

      • Elisabeth
        June 23, 2014, 3:55 pm

        I agree completely Shmuel.

      • Shingo
        June 23, 2014, 5:06 pm

        Ditto Shmuel

      • Taxi
        June 23, 2014, 10:26 pm

        What do you mean they have “every right and every reason”?

        Bollox to that! They’re illegal settlers and criminals breaking international law every breathing moment of their stinking lives. The UN courts is where they should be and behind bars is where they should end up.

      • Shingo
        June 24, 2014, 1:35 am

        They’re illegal settlers and criminals breaking international law every breathing moment of their stinking lives.

        These are kids we are talking about Taxi. I am on the same page as you and if these were settlers rampaging through Hebron thugs I would say good riddance, but they are in their teens – what do they know? They didn’t migrate to the OT, their parents did.

      • Shmuel
        June 24, 2014, 2:17 am

        They’re illegal settlers and criminals breaking international law every breathing moment of their stinking lives. The UN courts is where they should be and behind bars is where they should end up.

        Criminals should pay for their own crimes, not lose their kids.

      • Walid
        June 24, 2014, 3:14 am

        “Criminals should pay for their own crimes, not lose their kids.”

        Which are the biggest criminals in this story, the settlers who for religious and mostly economical reasons ended up living on stolen lands, or is it the state that actually dispossessed the Palestinians and stole their land and went on to entice the settlers into moving there to create facts on the ground by offering them cheaper housing, reduced rates on everything and an army to protect them?

        I’m remembering the settlers of Gaza that had been seduced with every possible incentive to live there and once they were no longer needed, the state threw some money at them and dragged them out kicking and screaming.

        This takes us back to the BDS discussion and how much time and effort are being wasted on the settlements while letting Israel off the hook.

      • Shmuel
        June 24, 2014, 3:30 am

        Which are the biggest criminals in this story, the settlers who for religious and mostly economical reasons ended up living on stolen lands, or is it the state that actually dispossessed the Palestinians and stole their land and went on to entice the settlers into moving there to create facts on the ground by offering them cheaper housing, reduced rates on everything and an army to protect them?

        I would guess policy-makers bear the greatest responsibility (e.g. for violations of the Geneva Convention), but legal responsibility is individual, for specific crimes, based on evidence. To the extent that individual settlers have committed crimes, they should answer for them. Although all three boys study at institutions in the OT, I think only two of the families live in the WB.

      • Walid
        June 24, 2014, 3:42 am

        I agree on individual crimes by settlers, Shmuel, I was thinking more about the guilt of/for the settlers being there in the first place. I don’t think people from Brooklyn asked Israel to steal land for them to live on but rather it was Israel that enticed them to come to a new home it had prepared for them. Their fault was in knowingly moving on to stolen land but again, their religion kept telling them that the land was not actual stolen but simply restituted to its rightful owners. Now we keep hearing of Israelis getting fed up with the settlers being in the territories and at the root of Israel’s problems, which is somewhat unfair.

      • Walid
        June 24, 2014, 3:55 am

        On the right or wrong of rejoicing the disappearance of the 3 kids, a couple of days back the retired Leila Khaled on live TV was all jubilant about the disappearance saying that God is most pleased with what happened, that all lovers of freedom should also rejoice at what happened and that it’s time for Palestinians to take up arms to free their land. The interview was quickly ended by the TV station.

      • Shmuel
        June 24, 2014, 4:16 am

        Now we keep hearing of Israelis getting fed up with the settlers being in the territories and at the root of Israel’s problems, which is somewhat unfair.

        I agree. It’s too easy for “nice” Israelis (and others) to blame everything on the settlers (or Russians or Mizrahim or Americans ["the crazies from Brooklyn"] or the religious). Yehouda Shenhav discusses this hypocrisy at length in Beyond the Green Line.

      • lysias
        June 24, 2014, 4:15 pm

        “Criminals should pay for their own crimes, not lose their kids.”

        Meanwhile, the U.S. kills Awlaki’s 16-year-old son with a drone.

      • talknic
        June 24, 2014, 8:04 am

        @ Taxi “They’re illegal settlers and criminals breaking international law … The UN courts is where they should be and behind bars is where they should end up”

        The parents perhaps and certain Govt officials who’ve encouraged and/or aided & abetted illegal settlement could be prosecuted under Geneva Convention IV.

        The three youths if innocent of anything, would fall under the protection of GC IV, for the protection of ALL civilians. IF they have indeed been ‘kidnapped’ by non-Israelis it would be illegal.

        If they were in the act of committing a crime against the occupied and/or if they were armed with a deadly weapon, even a knife, they could be classed as belligerents. Their capture in that event would never the less need to be reported to the authorities, Palestinian and Israeli.

        If the Israeli govt was serious about finding them, they should also be searching the illegal settlements and elsewhere in Israel. The whole thing is starting to reek of collusion between the Israeli Govt and the illegal settlers.

        The actions taken by the Israeli govt on the Palestinians is bizarre to say the least and certainly not the way of investigating and solving a kidnap case.

        By now it must be known where the telephone call was made from and there seems to be no more information on the torched car (might not even be related). It could be they were misbehavin’ stole and torched the car, then went to ground in an illegal settlement nearby, made the kidnap call to blame the Palestinians, now the whole thing has spun out of control.

        The parents speaking at the UN is an Israeli stunt.

      • Woody Tanaka
        June 24, 2014, 9:06 am

        “The three youths if innocent of anything…”

        The 19 year old is an adult and, as such, is fully responsible for his acts and should be prosecuted and imprisoned along with all the other settlers for their crimes against the Palestinians, starting with their presence in Palestine and moving on to any other crimes they committed.

      • talknic
        June 24, 2014, 9:43 am

        @ Woody Tanaka ” The 19 year old is an adult and, as such, is fully responsible for his acts …etc ..”

        Legally. However, some parents don’t allow their children full responsibility and freedom to live where they would if they could even though they’ve reached the legal age of adulthood.

      • Woody Tanaka
        June 24, 2014, 10:11 am

        “Legally. However, some parents don’t allow their children full responsibility and freedom to live where they would if they could even though they’ve reached the legal age of adulthood.”

        He is an adult. If he chooses not to act like one, and instead permits his parents to dictate his life, that does not absolve him one whit. He is legally liable as an adult settler for the crime of living on stolen land and morally reprehensible for not telling his parents to mind their own business and to stop meddling in his life.

      • yonah fredman
        June 24, 2014, 7:21 pm

        Woody tanaka- In your new Palestine which will prosecute and imprison settlers, how long will a settler have to serve in prison and how many beds do you imagine in your new Palestine prison system?

      • talknic
        June 24, 2014, 7:24 pm

        Woody Tanaka “He is an adult… etc etc etc”

        But not necessarily brought up, educated and allowed practice enough to be one.

        They’re all victims of Zionist & religious propaganda. A society should help those prone to weaknesses, not harness them in order to dispossess others and steal their land based on some stupid and evil ideal.

      • talknic
        June 24, 2014, 7:46 pm

        @ yonah fredman does never ending stupidity…

        ” In your new Palestine which will prosecute and imprison settlers”

        Says who?

        They can simply deport them. They can be tried in the ICC if need be, rightful compensation from the State of Israel via the ICJ as I understand it.

      • Woody Tanaka
        June 24, 2014, 8:50 pm

        @talknic

        “But not necessarily brought up, educated and allowed practice enough to be one.”

        Perhaps, but if he is competent to know right from wrong, then the onus is on him to think beyond the propaganda.

      • Hostage
        June 24, 2014, 6:30 am

        The mothers themselves have every right and every reason to go to the UN, but putting themselves in the hands of the Israeli foreign ministry and especially that clown Hillel Neuer simply turns their efforts into a grotesque PR stunt.

        More than likely. Israel has always rejected the applicability of the UN human rights conventions in the context of the armed conflict in the OPT. It is unlikely that the MFA will score points by putting that situation on the HRC agenda for discussion. The government of Israel really hasn’t provided any evidence regarding the identity or nationality of the alleged kidnappers. It hasn’t explained what the HRC or ICRC has to do with the situation at all, apart from monitoring Israeli and Palestinian compliance as “state parties” to the relevant UN and ICRC conventions. President Abbas and the Palestinian security forces have taken action to arrest, disrupt and restrain individuals and groups conducting and planning kidnapings and have taken part in the search for the missing teens.

      • just
        June 24, 2014, 7:11 am

        Link to video @ the UNHRC

        link to haaretz.com

        “”At the same time, I believe much more can and should be done by so many. We three mothers have come here before UN and world to ask everyone to do whatever they can to bring back our boys.””

      • seafoid
        June 24, 2014, 7:52 am

        “We three mothers have come here before UN and world to ask everyone to do whatever they can to bring back our boys.””

        “Whatever it takes” is BS . David Cameron said he’d do “whatever it takes” to deal with last January’s flooding. he did nothing about carbon emissions.

        Would “whatever it takes” include the UN replying to the mothers that they’ll get the kids back when Israel retreats to the Green Line ? Would that be acceptable to them? Of course not.

      • just
        June 24, 2014, 8:17 am

        “the world”. I guess the world should stop spinning, and go looking for the missing teens. Meanwhile ca.500 Palestinians have been kidnapped, including Issawi. Too many killed.

        Sam Power refused yesterday to name Israel in a statement condemning the collective punishment meted out by Israel. (??????) I see the US policy as the biggest obstacle to peace and justice. Therefore, I bear responsibility.

        “It soon became clear, diplomats said, that the US and Jordanian delegations would be unable to agree on a mutually acceptable statement to the media. Washington, Israel’s traditional protector on the council, wanted no condemnation of Israel while Jordan demanded a tough rebuke of the Jewish state.”

        link to ynetnews.com

        And this nugget that I read:

        “It’s appropriate that two of the leading liberal interventionists, both of whom have served in prominent positions in Barack Obama’s administration—are named Power and Slaughter.”

        link to thenation.com

        Except when it comes to Israel.

        The very same UN that the Israelis disparage so regularly and ignore constantly…

        Irony.

      • Woody Tanaka
        June 24, 2014, 10:18 am

        “We three mothers have come here before UN and world to ask everyone to do whatever they can to bring back our boys.”

        My Response: First, evacuate every Zionist, settler and terrorist-in-uniform alike, from beyond the green line; end the occupation, the illegal starvation blockade of Gaza; and fully compensate all the Palestinians for everything you’ve taken from them since 1947 and then we can find time to find these males. Otherwise, wait your turn. Maybe we’ll get to them in 70 years or so, after the tragedies you Zionists have inflicted on the Palestinians have all been rectified.

      • MahaneYehude1
        June 24, 2014, 10:28 am

        …that clown Hillel Neuer

        Let’s see who is the real clown(s): Today, the following states attacked Israel in the UNHRC (UN human rights council ) for violations of human rights: North Korea, Sudan, Malaysia, Bahrain, Turkey, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon and Qatar. A council of clowns!!!

      • Woody Tanaka
        June 24, 2014, 10:40 am

        “A council of clowns!!!”

        And all correct on the facts in criticizing your Apartheid state. So the fact that you people are correctly criticized by the likes of them makes you the biggest clowns (if by “clowns” we mean criminally racist barbarians) of them all.

      • just
        June 24, 2014, 10:44 am

        You got a link to that “attack”?

      • eljay
        June 24, 2014, 10:48 am

        >> Let’s see who is the real clown(s): Today, the following states attacked Israel in the UNHRC (UN human rights council ) for violations of human rights: North Korea, Sudan, Malaysia, Bahrain, Turkey, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon and Qatar. A council of clowns!!!

        I agree: It’s odd that this council of clowns would condemn rather than embrace one of their own.

        By the way, Potato-man, how does any of this change the fact that Israel:
        – is an oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and supremacist “Jewish State”;
        – remains engaged in a 60+ years, ON-GOING and offensive (i.e., not defensive) campaign of aggression, oppression, theft, colonization, destruction, torture and murder;
        – refuses to honour its obligations under international law; and
        – refuses to enter into sincere negotiations for a just and mutually-beneficial peace?

        That’s right – it doesn’t.

      • talknic
        June 24, 2014, 10:54 am

        @just
        “You got a link to that “attack”?”

        The ‘attack’ was to draw attention to the Ukraine and Israel

        Press Emblem Campaign drew attention to the dire situation of journalists in armed confrontations or conflict situations. In Ukraine, hundreds of incidents against journalists had been recorded since last November and all parties involved in the conflict were responsible for acts of violence against media workers. In Israel, Palestinian journalists continued to be subjected to harassment and acts of violence by Israeli security forces link to ohchr.org

    • Talkback
      June 23, 2014, 3:13 pm

      Oh, the UN has a chance to tell them that settlers are not protected persons under the Geneva Conventions and that’s the reason why Israel uses and twists the Hague convention to suggest otherwise.

      • Hostage
        June 24, 2014, 6:37 am

        Oh, the UN has a chance to tell them that settlers are not protected persons under the Geneva Conventions

        They usually aren’t, because they are under the day to day jurisdiction of the Israeli Civil Administration. However, the moment they find themselves in the hands of the enemy, for any reason whatsoever, then they would be protected persons under the terms of GCIV:

        Art. 4. Persons protected by the Convention are those who, at a given moment and in any manner whatsoever, find themselves, in case of a conflict or occupation, in the hands of a Party to the conflict or Occupying Power of which they are not nationals.

        link to icrc.org

        Of course, no one has established the identity of the alleged abductors, so it remains to be seen if the GCIV applies in this case.

      • MahaneYehude1
        June 24, 2014, 11:05 am

        @talknic;

        OK, thanks for the link. So? do you think this “council” is serious? It has no ability to deal with real human rights violations around the world, only with Israel. Just look at the number of discussions held concerning Israel compared to the number of discussions held in connection to the rest of the world states together. Please, don’t tell me Israel is the worse case in the world.

      • Shmuel
        June 24, 2014, 11:27 am

        It has no ability to deal with real human rights violations around the world, only with Israel. Just look at the number of discussions held concerning Israel compared to the number of discussions held in connection to the rest of the world states together.

        Topics discussed at the HRC yesterday, 23.6.14 (date chosen at random):

        - La question de la peine de mort
        – Situation of human rights in Eritrea
        – Human rights and climate change
        – Technical and capacity-building assistance for South Sudan in the field of human rights
        – Human rights of migrants: mandate of the Special Rapporteur on the human rights of migrants
        – Promotion of the right of migrants to the enjoyment of the highest attainable standard of physical and mental health
        – The right of everyone to the enjoyment of the highest attainable standard of physical and mental health: sport and healthy lifestyles as contributing factors
        – Accelerating efforts to eliminate all forms of violence against women: violence against women as a barrier to women’s political and economic empowerment
        – Human rights and arbitrary deprivation of nationality
        – Contribution of parliaments to the work of the Human Rights Council and its universal periodic review
        – Protection of the family
        – Cooperation and assistance to Ukraine in the field of human rights
        – Promotion and protection of the human rights of peasants and other people working in rural areas
        – Elimination of discrimination against women
        – Human rights and transnational corporations and other business enterprises

        link to ap.ohchr.org

      • MahaneYehude1
        June 24, 2014, 3:42 pm

        From Wikipedia:

        ‘As of 2014, Israel had been condemned in 50 resolutions by the Council since its creation in 2006—the Council had resolved almost more resolutions condemning Israel than on the rest of the world combined. The 50 resolutions comprised almost half (45.9%) of all country-specific resolutions passed by the Council. By April 2007, the Council had passed eleven resolutions condemning Israel, the only country which it had specifically condemned. Toward Sudan, a country with human rights abuses as documented by the Council’s working groups, it has expressed “deep concern”.

        I can continue and bring many statements of western states leaders concerning the activities of this clownish “council” but I sure you all can find them by your selves. You can continue reading Wikipedia:

        link to en.wikipedia.org

      • Shmuel
        June 24, 2014, 4:33 pm

        So we’re getting somewhere. Your assertion regarding “number of discussions” proved false, so you went back to Wiki and realised you should have said “resolutions” and “country-specific” (assuming who ever wrote the Wiki entry didn’t make stuff up too).

        Sri-Lanka also thinks the UN is biased, but not against Israel. I guess bias is in the eye of the offender (and defender).

      • Woody Tanaka
        June 24, 2014, 11:31 am

        “do you think this “council” is serious? It has no ability to deal with real human rights violations around the world, only with Israel.”

        The fact that you don’t think the crimes you people commit constitute “real human rights violations” demonstrates your lack of humaneness. Those are actual people you oppress, occupy, murder, steal from, and ethnically cleanse, you monster. How dare you suggest that the criminal activity of your Zionist mafia does not constitute “real human rights violations”??

      • Hostage
        June 24, 2014, 2:33 pm

        OK, thanks for the link. So? do you think this “council” is serious? It has no ability to deal with real human rights violations around the world, only with Israel.

        The UNHRC has recommended that many situations, like the ones in Israel, Dafur/Sudan, Syria, Libya, and North Korea be referred to the International Criminal Court and has endorsed pending international investigations into alleged war crimes in other countries, like Sri Lanka. It was also involved in the call for tribunals in the former Yugoslavia, Rwanda, Sierra Leone, and Cambodia.

        Readers here are well aware of the fact that some of those requests have been blocked by a few permanent members of the Security Council.

      • Shmuel
        June 24, 2014, 2:58 pm

        The UNHRC has recommended that many situations, like the ones in Israel, Dafur/Sudan, Syria, Libya, and North Korea … Sri Lanka … Yugoslavia, Rwanda, Sierra Leone, and Cambodia. … some of those requests have been blocked by a few permanent members of the Security Council.

        So you mean the UNHRC doesn’t spend all of its time “bashing” Israel, but is actually concerned with human rights, and that if Israel is singled out at the UN, it’s for preferential treatment? But that would mean Hillel Neuer is just making stuff up. Oh … I see.

      • Hostage
        June 24, 2014, 3:25 pm

        Just look at the number of discussions held concerning Israel compared to the number of discussions held in connection to the rest of the world states together. Please, don’t tell me Israel is the worse case in the world.

        Lets examine why the UN is seized with the Question of Palestine, “until it is resolved in all its aspects in a satisfactory manner in accordance with international legitimacy”:

        *How many of those other states were established on the basis of a request from a specific ethnic or religious group for the international community to facilitate the establishment of a national home on their behalf, secured by public international law?
        * How many of those other states were created by the UN itself at the behest of a separatist ethnic or religious NGO, like the Jewish Agency?
        * How many states, other than Israel and Arab Palestine, have ever been asked to make declarations acknowledging that fundamental human rights within their jurisdictions “are under guarantee of the United Nations”?
        * How many UN member states, other than Israel, have absolutely refused to honor the terms and conditions spelled out in their own political platforms and the constituent acts of the international organizations responsible for facilitating their establishment?
        * The fundamental human rights that Israel refuses to grant the Palestinians are under UN guarantee. So why wouldn’t that situation be placed on the HRC’s permanent agenda until it gets satisfactorily resolved?

      • MahaneYehude1
        June 24, 2014, 4:33 pm

        @hostage:

        How many states are leaded by a dictator that kills his own people?

        How many states the Christian communities are under constant threat? (Don’t say “In Israel”, check the situation in Arab countries)

        How many states treat their own citizen like in Darfur?

        Do you compare Israel to N. Korea, Sudan, Myanmar, Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Lybia, Cambodia, Cuba, China, Iran, Lebanon, Yemen, etc. etc. ???? Please, check the human rights situations in all those and many other countries and you will find that Israel is better than all together, a stable and secure country that keep high standards of human rights. Don’t believe? ask the Israeli-Palestinians, Muslims and Christians.

      • Shingo
        June 24, 2014, 4:58 pm

        How many states are leaded by a dictator that kills his own people?

        Israel does it all the time, though it does it to those it rules but does not regard as it’s own people.

        No difference

      • Shingo
        June 24, 2014, 6:02 pm

        “Do you compare Israel to N. Korea, Sudan, Myanmar, Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Lybia, Cambodia, Cuba, China, Iran, Lebanon, Yemen, etc. etc. ????”

        Of course, which is why Israel’s approval rating sits alongside North Korea’s.

      • Woody Tanaka
        June 24, 2014, 5:01 pm

        “How many states are leaded by a dictator that kills his own people?”

        Well, I know one headed by a Netanyahoo that’s killed 5 for no reason over the past few days. Oh, wait, not “for no reason” but “for being non-Jews in land coveted by Jews.”

        “How many states the Christian communities are under constant threat? (Don’t say “In Israel”, check the situation in Arab countries)”

        Why not “in Israel”? Are the human rights violations against Palestinans Christians not “real human rights violations” to you?

        “How many states treat their own citizen like in Darfur?”

        Well, you’re piece of crap state has held onto millions of people for 40 years as virtual serfs, so don’t go comparing.

        “Do you compare Israel to N. Korea, Sudan, Myanmar, Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Lybia, Cambodia, Cuba, China, Iran, Lebanon, Yemen, etc. etc. ????”

        Yes. Birds of a feather.

        “Please, check the human rights situations in all those and many other countries and you will find that Israel is better than all together,”

        LMAO. Sure, if you’re a Jew. If you’re a non-Jew, not so much.

        “a stable and secure country that keep high standards of human rights.”

        Again, sure, if you’re a Jew.

        “Don’t believe? ask the Israeli-Palestinians, Muslims and Christians.”

        You mean the ones who are suffereing from second-class citizenship as tokens in pre-67 occupied Palestine or the ones you people treat worse than dogs in post-67 occupied Palestine?

      • RoHa
        June 24, 2014, 7:49 pm

        Eljay, MY is using your favourite excuse again.

      • Hostage
        June 24, 2014, 8:12 pm

        @hostage: How many states are leaded by a dictator that kills his own people?

        Too many, including Israel and the USA. Nowadays, there isn’t any difference between the treaty reservations of authoritarian dictatorships refusing to accept the jurisdiction of regularly constituted international courts, affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples, and reservations filed by Israel and the USA. At the same time, both governments and their parastatal agents employ international courts in their own lawfare campaigns against others.

      • just
        June 24, 2014, 8:20 pm

        A keeper of a comment. Thanks.

      • eljay
        June 25, 2014, 7:45 am

        >> RoHa: Eljay, MY is using your favourite excuse again.

        It’s a good thing “hell-hole” states exist in the world – if they didn’t, Zio-supremacists wouldn’t know to what to compare Israel.

    • The JillyBeans
      June 23, 2014, 3:43 pm

      I concur on the WTF sentiment.

      1) the IDF murdered two palestinian youth on “Naqba Day”
      2) the IDF in their adventure through Occupied Territories for Hamas Hunt, er, missing teens as killed some more.
      3) the Settlements are a direct violation of UN and International understandings.
      4) Funny time for Israeli’s to all of a sudden have a soft spot for the UN.

      You can’t stand for human rights on occasion, it must be a day in and out effort to have respect for all human lives. I highly doubt that the families of these settler teens prayed for or wept in sorrow for the two Palestinian teens gunned down by the IDF on Naqba Day.

      I think the term chutzpah is almost an understatement in this case.

      • Shingo
        June 23, 2014, 5:10 pm

        Jilly, these are desperate parents. As a parent, I would do anything possible to save my kids if I were them.

        You are right about Israel’s crimes and violation of the GC, but let’s not forget these people are human. They don’t deserve this anymore than the Palestinians victims do.

        I am saddened and sickened by this as much as the killing of the Palestinian youths.

      • Djinn
        June 23, 2014, 10:00 pm

        I wouldn’t say anyone deserves to kidnapped or killed but unlike Palestinians living under Israeli occupation, the settler families had a choice. They chose to live on stolen land. If you willingly lie down with dogs you have to accept some culpability for the fleas.

      • Shingo
        June 24, 2014, 4:10 am

        I wouldn’t say anyone deserves to kidnapped or killed but unlike Palestinians living under Israeli occupation, the settler families had a choice

        I agree, but their children don’t – at least not until they are old enough and have the means to leave home.

      • mariapalestina
        June 24, 2014, 12:43 pm

        When Palestinian children, teens and younger, are injured or even killed by Israeli forces, the childrens’ parents are usually blamed for allowing their kids to be in a war zone. And this even when the children aren’t accused of anything, even throwing stones at tanks. These parents didn’t intentionally put their kids in war zones. They just happen to live on land that Israel has turned into a war zone.

      • just
        June 24, 2014, 12:47 pm

        That’s true, mariapalestina.

        Not to mention the Israelis are OCCUPYING said lands.

      • Taxi
        June 23, 2014, 10:33 pm

        Shingo,

        These people thought it more important to be settlers than be responsible parents.

        No sympathy from me for the bastard settlers or their cloned offspring. For ANYTHING!!!

        They should just get the hell out of Palestine! Or they should just stfu and carry on with their normal daily crimes WITHOUT complaining.

      • Shingo
        June 25, 2014, 7:21 am

        These people thought it more important to be settlers than be responsible parents.

        I am with you 100%, but that’s not the fault of the youths, though it appears at least one of them was in the military, and partook in some pretty nasty practices so maybe he had it coming.

        No sympathy from me for the bastard settlers or their cloned offspring. For ANYTHING!!!

        Again, speaking as a parent, I can say I without a doubt I will fu%k up at some time in the future, but it would torment me to think my children should have to pay the price for my mistakes.

      • Shmuel
        June 25, 2014, 7:44 am

        I am with you 100%, but that’s not the fault of the youths, though it appears at least one of them was in the military

        I think I can give a little guesswork background on the 3, based on my own experience in similar circles in Israel.

        Frankel and Shaer are high school kids. They did not choose where to live or, in all likelihood, what school to go to – nor do they have the maturity or the tools (considering their upbringing) to evaluate their political situation or actions. The school they go to (Makor Hayim), on the “consensus” settlement of Kfar Etziyon, is not particularly hard-core either.

        Yifrah (aged 19) attends the very hard-core post-high-school yeshivah of Shavei Hevron – part of the extremist Jewish settlement in the heart of Hebron and an endless source of grief for Palestinians. He has probably not done any military service (as Shavei Hevron does not combine military service with religious studies), but almost certainly carries a weapon. Post-high-school religious institutions are generally chosen by the students themselves – with or without parental approval (and often against parents’ wishes).

      • AbigailOK
        June 25, 2014, 11:08 am

        Hebron? Do you know what the settlers do together with their children on a daily basis to those Palestinians still living there? Go to the B’tselem Israel website and there’s plenty of video footage which shows how wonderful they are…Desperate parents.

        a. Cui bono? Does Israel really think that the west (the Div(w)est) will think: Oh, those terrorists! Israel has no partner for peace! Those Arabs (or Hamas, or unity government, or Fatah) cannot be trusted, etc. etc. etc. This will be Israel’s occupational trap. They underestimate others and project their own miserable prejudices and policy points of departure onto others. In other words: They think they can manipulate public western opinion esp. the American people and those inside the EU. One of the main roles for intelligence services is exactly that i.e. manipulation of world public opinion. And they do anything to get it that way including killing their own if they see fit. A very dark and obscure world.
        b. These youths look remarkably like fresh youth from let’s say the USA or Israel maybe. Nice marketing item. Nothing like peyes and kipot (yarmulkes) as large as bathtubs on their head spouting racist slurs, and violently attacking either Palestinians, including young kids, youths and elderly people if not cutting down olive trees or putting them on fire.
        c. Isn’t it coincidental (there is no coincidence in this world) that this happens after the much hated (by Israel) unity government comes along? Divide and conquer. Kill the agreement and influence western public opinion. Nice try. Wrong era.

      • AbigailOK
        June 25, 2014, 11:10 am

        Of course, it should be “Setting them on fire, instead of “putting them on fire”. Sorry.

  3. Elliot
    June 23, 2014, 1:49 pm

    The Nahshone Vachsman case is significant because it epitomizes Israel’s objectification of Israeli prisoners. At the time, the Israeli government was widely criticized for attacking rather than negotiating with his abductors. Israel routinely chooses to shoot to kill. In a cold-blooded analysis, given the Israeli preference for killing rather than detaining or negotiating, it is more likely that the kidnappers killed their victims.
    The Gil’ad Shalit case stands out as the exception because Gaza is a much safer hideout than the West Bank.

  4. just
    June 23, 2014, 1:55 pm

    “Netanyahu also referred to Abbas’ statement that there was no categorical proof of the involvement of Hamas in the abduction of three youths over a week ago.

    “We have unequivocal evidence of Hamas’ involvement,” the prime minister said. “We are transferring that evidence and other information to several countries. Soon it will be in the public domain. At that point, Abu Mazen’s (Abbas’) words will be assessed in Saudi Arabia in a practical way.”

    link to haaretz.com

    I guess he does not have to abide by the gag order. Why is SA doing the assessment? To what other countries is he distributing his “evidence and other information” ?

    • Joe Catron
      June 23, 2014, 3:05 pm

      “Why is SA doing the assessment?”

      I suspect a garbling/mistranslation of Netanyahu saying “Abu Mazen’s (Abbas’) words in Saudi Arabia will be assessed.”

      • Walid
        June 23, 2014, 3:14 pm

        SA is Big Daddy.

      • Shingo
        June 23, 2014, 8:42 pm

        SA is Big Daddy.

        Seriously, is there anything more evil and offensive than the House of Saud? Why doesn’t ISIS turn to something practical and overthrow them instead?

      • seafoid
        June 24, 2014, 12:04 am

        ISIS looks like it’s a SA Mamluk army.
        The Mamluks eventually killed their political masters and took over.

        link to en.wikipedia.org

  5. Kay24
    June 23, 2014, 2:26 pm

    Time for Palestinian mothers whose children are killed, or kidnapped, and who languish in Israeli jails, and abused (as claimed by human rights agencies) to also go to international bodies, and plead for justice for their children. At least many of their stories will be backed by documents, and statements, by some of those agencies themselves. What I would call solid cases.

    • just
      June 23, 2014, 2:40 pm

      I think that every city that has a Holocaust memorial/museum should have a Nakba memorial/museum.

      Oh wait, the Nakba isn’t over…

      • Speedy
        June 23, 2014, 3:31 pm

        That sounds like a great idea! A Nakba memorial/museum!!

        Lets rethink the part of opening up a franchise in every city that has a Holocaust memorial/museum. That part seems agenda driven. And creepy. And disingenuous to the Palestinians.

      • seafoid
        June 23, 2014, 4:05 pm

        Yad Vashem in West Jerusalem has an “avenue of the righteous gentiles”.

        The Palestinians aren’t great at PR stuff but it would be good if they could have a Nakba museum somewhere on the West Bank with an “avenue of the self righteous Zionists” to take the piss out of the whole ideology.

      • Kay24
        June 23, 2014, 4:59 pm

        That is indeed a good idea. A sort of vietnam war memorial wall would do well, and the list will be long too.

      • Shingo
        June 23, 2014, 5:39 pm

        Israel would send in bulldozers and knock it down under the pretext there are weapons or tunnels there blah blah blah

      • Stephen Shenfield
        June 23, 2014, 5:06 pm

        There could be an “Avenue of Righteous Jews” to honor those Jews who tried to prevent or stop expulsions and massacres of Palestinians and occasionally succeeded. Because there were a few such.

        Perhaps also a street to commemorate Rabbi Jacob Israel de Haan, assassinated by the Zionists for his efforts on behalf of a just peace.

      • Shingo
        June 23, 2014, 5:41 pm

        And a street to commemorate Bernadotte and Moyne.

      • ritzl
        June 24, 2014, 6:31 am

        Maybe Ben Dunkelman?: link to en.m.wikipedia.org

        …Shortly after the capture [of Nazareth], Dunkelman received orders[4] from General Chaim Laskov to expel the civilian population from the town, which he refused to carry out. Israeli journalist and translator Peretz Kidron, with whom Dunkelman collaborated in writing Dual Allegiance, reproduced his record of Dunkelman’s account of the capture of Nazareth in a book chapter entitled “Truth Whereby Nations Live”:

        [less than a day later] Haim Laskov [came] to me with astounding orders: Nazareth’s civilian population was to be evacuated! I was shocked and horrified. I told him I would do nothing of the sort—in view of our promises to safeguard the city’s people, such a move would be both superfluous and harmful. I reminded him that scarcely a day earlier, he and I, as representatives of the Israeli army, had signed the surrender document in which we solemnly pledged to do nothing to harm the city or its population. When Haim saw that I refused to obey the order, he left.[5]

        Maybe Dunkelman’s act of defiance when ordered to ethnically cleanse Nazareth was a half-measure/net zero, but it did save 50K-100K people from becoming refugees. It’s arguably the reason Israel is now 20% Palestinian, which is in turn and much less arguably, the primary residual memory/conscience within Israel on what happened in 1947-9. No Dunkelman, no Zoabi, imho.

      • Sumud
        June 23, 2014, 5:13 pm

        …with an “avenue of the self righteous Zionists” to take the piss out of the whole ideology.

        So not a lot of land required for that then – build it in E. Jerusalem and see how long before the IDF turn up to demolish it.

      • mariapalestina
        June 23, 2014, 6:36 pm

        A Nakba museum in Palestine? Israel would bring in a couple of those behemoth Caterpillars and demolish it, after arresting anybody inside the building at the time.

      • Accentitude
        June 24, 2014, 2:29 am

        The Palestine National Museum is coming (link to palmuseum.org) and I’m going to wager a guess that the Nakba will feature in it.

      • Shingo
        June 24, 2014, 4:01 am

        and I’m going to wager a guess that the Nakba will feature in it.

        and I’m going to wager a guess that the IDF will demolish it for inciting resistance to occupation.

  6. seafoid
    June 23, 2014, 2:53 pm

    Re # Bring back our boys

    Wouldn’t it be wonderful if all the Jews who died for YESHA could be brought back to life to speak to the people of Israel about the pointlessness of it all ?

    • just
      June 23, 2014, 2:57 pm

      Yes it would.

      I’m quite sure that some Israelis know this in their hearts……and they’ve emigrated.

  7. heb
    June 23, 2014, 3:36 pm

    My only information is that the 3 young men were on their way to visit another settler in the Hebron area who has been involved in ‘price tag’attacks.

  8. Justpassingby
    June 23, 2014, 3:49 pm

    Kids like this?

    • Kay24
      June 23, 2014, 5:55 pm

      That kid seems deranged, and full of rage. Real classy bunch squatting in those illegal settlements, real classy.

    • just
      June 24, 2014, 3:36 pm

      He had to learn that — parents, teachers, family, rabbis, Government? Who?

      All of the above?

  9. just
    June 23, 2014, 4:06 pm

    Holy s%$@!

    “Associated Press= UNITED NATIONS (AP) The U.N. Security Council has failed to agree on a statement that would have deplored the deaths of Palestinians in Israeli operations following the disappearance of three Israeli teenagers.

    Russia’s U.N. Ambassador Vitaly Churkin, the current council president, told reporters he proposed the press statement after listening to a Palestinian appeal for council action, but one council member wanted stronger language and one didn’t want any reference to Israel.

    Diplomats said Jordan insisted that “deploring” wasn’t strong enough and U.S. Ambassador Samantha Power said any language directly criticizing Israel would be “a red line” for the Americans. The diplomats spoke on condition of anonymity because the consultations were closed.

    U.N. political chief Jeffrey Feltman told the council at an earlier open meeting that the Israeli-Palestinian situation “has turned highly volatile.” ”

    link to theguardian.com

    Gee thanks Samantha. “a red line”, eh? utter bs. WE NEED to criticize Israel DIRECTLY NOW. You have my permission, Sam!

    • Jethro
      June 23, 2014, 4:19 pm

      I’m convinced Israel will destroy the UN.

      • crone
        June 23, 2014, 5:25 pm

        hasn’t that shipped sailed?

    • seafoid
      June 23, 2014, 4:24 pm

      “Ambassador Samantha Power said any language directly criticizing Israel would be “a red line” for the Americans”

      That diplomatic cover at the UN has been a disaster for Israel. Look at what Levy wrote a few days ago in Haaretz.

      “All of the destructiveness and the intolerance for other views, all of the unity and the falling into rank in Israel have now assembled for the biggest display of ultra-nationalism ever. All the seeds of religiosity have sprouted into a mass prayer service led by the television broadcasters, every single last one of which has volunteered for propaganda duty.”

      Israel is a failing state. The US should have let it stand behind its own decisions, for better or worse, at the UN. It would have been far more in the long term interest of the Jewish state to understand how the real world works.

      Some US Administration will pull the plug anyway.

    • Stephen Shenfield
      June 23, 2014, 5:18 pm

      I thought that Kerry had established a new rule: Israel can be criticized directly on condition that the criticism is followed immediately by an abject apology. Evidently this innovation is regarded as dangerously radical.

      • just
        June 23, 2014, 5:22 pm

        The innovation went *poof*!

    • Sumud
      June 23, 2014, 5:21 pm

      That’s disgusting.

      Killing Palestinians is fine but criticising the killers is forbidden. So messed up.

    • Shingo
      June 23, 2014, 6:38 pm

      Power is just a political whore doing as she’s told. Blame Obama and Kerry.

      And seriously, “red line”? Does anyone even know what that means anymore?

    • Boomer
      June 23, 2014, 8:53 pm

      Re: “U.S. Ambassador Samantha Power said any language directly criticizing Israel would be “a red line” for the Americans. ” By “the Americans,” she obviously does not mean “the citizens of the United States of America.” No, she means, “the Americans who matter,” the small but powerful group that set policy on this issue.

  10. Erik Weissengruber
    June 23, 2014, 4:31 pm

    What is the point of kidnapping just to murder ASAP? Is it pure terrorism to spread fear and not for a prisoner swap or a ransom? It seems so berserkedly self-defeating.

    • Shingo
      June 23, 2014, 6:45 pm

      I agree Erik,

      While this is no less an act of terrorism and murder than the killing of Palestinians, the Palestinians don’t have the luxury of impunity and avoiding accountability like Israel does. What’s more is that this plays into Israeli government hands which they will milk for all the PR they can.

      Having said that, I can’t imagine what I would do if I were a family member if one if the Palestinian victims .

      • seafoid
        June 24, 2014, 12:39 am

        I wouldn’t be happy with Netanyahu if I were one of the settler parents.

    • seafoid
      June 24, 2014, 12:26 am

      What Israel has been doing with the whole prisoner release issue may be linked.

      Bennett and co are extremists. They want to change the rules of the game. Maybe someone wanted to show them that wasn’t such a good idea.

      Israel has to cut the Palestinians some slack in order to keep things quiet in YESHA where there are a lot of stupid Jewish kids .The IDF failed in this case.

      link to haaretz.com
      “The hope of returning the three teens alive is first and foremost a human one. May they be returned unharmed to their families.
      It is also, however, an operational hope: To return them without suffering any casualties among security forces and to prevent an escalation that could wash over the West Bank – and even in Arab cities in Israel – should a wave of “price tag” attacks follow the incident.
      But even if, God forbid, these hopes go unanswered and the motive of the perpetrators is revealed, the blame will also be placed on the Israeli ministers: Those who just days ago approved Economy Minister Naftali Bennett’s bill aimed at thwarting the release of murderers in future prisoner swaps.
      This is not wisdom in hindsight: The danger of such a scenario was raised well before the government voted on the bill. Attorney General Yehuda Weinstein and a handful of ministers, including former Shin Bet head Jacob Perry continue to warn against this piece of legislation. But their colleagues, Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon and, namely, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, are sending a message to those planning to bargain with Israel using a kidnapping, a message that says: There is no point in negotiating – Israel has shackled itself with legislation. In case of a terrorist attack, the practical conclusion is obvious…..Netanyahu, as usual, is trying to distract attention away from his responsibility for the release of hundreds of murderers and other terror-linked figures in the Shalit deal. In this case, deflecting it toward Abbas.”

      Of course there is a gag order. Looking at the big picture 1 week later this is not going well for Israel. The famed deterrence is weakened if the rules only work one way .

      Israeli politics is a pantomime. They are back to the old Hamas tropes and defecating in Palestinian office units like in the good old days but they still don’t know what happened.

      The implications of no Palestinian state ever and no prisoner releases ever are not good.

      • seafoid
        June 24, 2014, 1:15 am

        More on this

        link to haaretz.com

        “Swift approval of a bill to prevent pardons for prisoners – a bill whose stupidity is now becoming clear; complete severance of relations with the Palestinian Authority; expelling dozens, if not hundreds, of Hamas members from the West Bank to Gaza; demolishing homes; imposing a total curfew on West Bank and Gaza’s cities, and more. Alongside these ideas, the government is accelerating a bill for the force-feeding of hunger-striking prisoners and – to top it all – Habayit Hayehudi MKs are expressing their support for annexing territory to Israel.
        These ideas have nothing to do with our ability to find the kidnap victims. At best, they are the growing expression of a desire for vengeance against the Palestinian people. At worst, they are cynical exploitation, fulfilling the urges of those who wish to destroy the peace process. They are endeavoring to turn the abductions into a seminal moment that will redefine Israel’s relations with the Palestinians and their leaders. These ideas and their proponents create a common link between them and the terrorists: both seek to use the abduction to undermine any chance of a diplomatic solution. “

      • MHughes976
        June 24, 2014, 5:52 pm

        The ‘no pardons’ idea is presumably in anticipation of an attempt to secure a massive prisoner release in exchange for the (really or supposedly) kidnapped persons. This would, if it happened, achieve what Abbas in his peace operations so conspicuously failed to achieve, ie discredit Abbas and his policy of peace by negotiation which has such major support in the West.

  11. Kay24
    June 23, 2014, 5:04 pm

    Meanwhile at the UN the members cannot get their act together and agree on wording to condemn Israel’s killing of Palestinians after the so call kidnapping. The Palestinians must have no hope of ever getting support over there. I wonder if the US played it’s usual wimpy role in protecting the parasitic nation.

    link to haaretz.com

  12. yonah fredman
    June 23, 2014, 5:23 pm

    I guess at this point the authors of this post are no longer insisting in referring to the kidnapping as an alleged kidnapping that reportedly occurred.

  13. Daniel Rich
    June 23, 2014, 5:54 pm

    After all this [or with all this going on] does anyone still think ‘Israel’ as a concept, a country, is still a viable thing to continue, to defend and admire?

    I, for one, want it to stop and be discontinued.

    Let’s donate Florida and be done with…

  14. Daniel Rich
    June 23, 2014, 7:03 pm

    Q: a gag order that will prohibit the publishing of the following details
    [X] All the details of the investigation
    [X] All detail that might identify the suspect
    [V] The existence of the investigation
    [V] The existence of the order

    R: It looks like they forgot the most important section [VI] Get it mentioned on Mondoweiss.

  15. bcg
    June 23, 2014, 7:34 pm

    The North American natives weren’t always nice people, nossir – remember the Jamestown massacre? But we all know the larger story: a (militarily) stronger society rolled over a weaker one and took over the land and resources. Likewise with this kidnapping: no one in their right mind (in my view) calls it ‘justified’, but until the fundamental problems are dealt with this kind of thing will unfortunately continue. The fundamental problems being the mass expulsion of Palestinian civilian non-combatants in 48 and 67, the ongoing destruction of tens of thousands of Palestinian homes and theft of land.

  16. W.Jones
    June 23, 2014, 9:48 pm

    As I claimed yesterday, the event took place in Area C of the West Bank. The Palestinian Authority is not responsible for it and thus cannot be blamed… The second issue brought against Netanyahu is the non-professional attempt to blame the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant, which in recent days achieved substantial gains of terrain in Iraq.

    This is based on a pamphlet attributing them the kidnapping. Until that moment, there were no credible signs of this organization being present in the West Bank.

    Several issues make the source of the pamphlet doubtful. Israeli analysts mention the photocopied logos, a style that does not fit the style of neither the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant nor al-Qaeda, and a bottom signature that does not fit the header.

    After the kidnapping, Haaretz published an article entitled “Mossad chief’s chillingly prescient kidnap prophecy.” …The subtitle was “Ten days ago, Tamir Pardo outlined a scenario that was spookily similar to the kidnapping of three teens missing in the West Bank since Thursday.”

    link to disclose.tv

    Israel may have fabricated kidnapping, says Palestinian FM

    Palestinian Foreign Minister Riyad al-Maliki
    Palestinian Authority Foreign Minister Riyad Al-Maliki claimed on Sunday that Israel may have staged the kidnapping of three Israeli teenagers 10 days ago to deflect international criticism from it, arguing that the Jewish state had no proof that Hamas was behind the abduction.

    “They [the Israelis] have no proof that Hamas is behind this operation, as they have failed to provide any proof indicating this,” Maliki told Saudi daily A-Sharq Al-Awsat from Jedda, where he, with PA President Mahmoud Abbas, was visiting last week.

    “In the absence of proof, there are three possible scenarios for the issue: The kidnapping could be a childish game on the part of Israel to draw attention to it, it could be part of a larger game to turn the Israelis from aggressors to victims, or maybe they were really kidnapped,” Maliki said.

    link to disclose.tv

  17. a blah chick
    June 23, 2014, 9:52 pm

    I don’t know about the rest of you but for me the information that shots were heard on the phone call begs more questions than it answers.

    1. If shots were heard on the original call why didn’t the police act with more alacrity?
    Whether it was an hour, or two or five, some time seems to have past before they sent out a patrol. Did they not hear the shots or did they misinterpret them as something else, like a car backfiring. (BTW do cars still do that?)

    2. What did the families know and when did they know it? As late as last Thursday the uncle of one the youths said that the government had assured the families that their loved ones were still alive and hinted that they had proof. This was after the families had heard the phone call recording, so did they not hear the shots? Did the government edit out the shots before letting the families have a listen? And if the families did hear an edited version why would the government then let selected reporters hear the unedited one? Even with a gag order in place they had to know that this info was going to get out eventually. So did the families agree to go along with the deception or were they deceived? Either way we are dealing with manipulation that is purely sadistic.

    3. Were any of the youths armed?

    4. Where were they going and were they traveling alone or together? I thought I read a report that the decision to leave the school was made at the last minute. I know that 10 at night is not all that late but it seems a strange time to go visiting. Heb, a commenter above, says that they were going to visit someone in the Hebron area who was involved in price tag hits. This got me to thinking about a price tag hit gone wrong, or that the guys were in a place they shouldn’t have been. But this is pure speculation.

    5. Is it really true that the government has gleaned NO information about where the youths are? Think about it, this is area c, where they have complete control and yet they have no idea where they are or what happened? I find that hard to believe, what with all their informers and masquaraders and shin bet agents and nothing has turned up? If that is true then we are seeing an intelligence failure of the first magnitude. Or they do know something and are sitting on the info to continue to exploit the situation.

    6. When were the shots heard on the call? How long before or after the caller says that he is being kidnapped? If they were lured somewhere and then killed this might be why one of the victims still had his phone; the kidnapper(s) would not want to create suspicion until he had them where he wanted them. As someone else pointed out three healthy young men would not be easy to subdue. If they were lured away perhaps it was by someone they trusted or at least did not fear.

    7. How many people would have had to have been involved in the disappearances? I have no idea, but the more people you have involved the more likely the info will leak out. If some sources are to be believed and no info is coming out then we are dealing with a very small detached cell or the culprits are hiding in plain sight.

  18. piotr
    June 23, 2014, 9:57 pm

    Actually, it was a busy week when the teens were kidnapped, with 80 Turks (half diplomatic personel, half truck drivers) and 40 Indians captured as hostages by ISIS. Israel decided to bomb Syrian targets, presumably to aid ISIS and allegedly as a retribution for someone, rebels of government troops, shooting at an Israeli position in Syria.

    India, with billion people and with low-caste victims can be excused for not getting overly upset, but Turkey has more kidnap victims per capita than Israel, and half of them civil servant rather than truck drivers, hitchhikers or other riffraff. With obliviousness not being an option, the government announced that it will do everything in its power, and one thing was truly awesome: total ban on the media discussing the case. The ban is in force for a week and it works. I do not see articles on that case in English even outside Turkey. Needless to say, apart for that awesomity, we have no idea what the government of Turkey is doing. Do they frown? Do they deplore?

  19. palijustice
    June 23, 2014, 10:00 pm

    The Palestinian Authority is an inept and incapable group to advocate for the Palestinians. they are not using the tools available to them. Palestinian mothers of the many killed and imprisoned children should also be going to the UN to plead and demand help, like UN forces on the ground to protect them. The Israeli army, which is supposed to protect them, persecutes them, imprisons them, and bulldoses them.

    • ritzl
      June 24, 2014, 4:40 am

      Yep. Palestinian mothers should be right there, side by side with the Israeli settler mothers. But then Israel does not allow them to leave to go to Geneva.

      • Shmuel
        June 24, 2014, 4:47 am

        Yep. Palestinian mothers should be right there, side by side with the Israeli settler mothers. But then Israel does not allow them to leave to go to Geneva.

        “Geneva” should come to them.

      • ritzl
        June 24, 2014, 4:54 am

        I wish you were “in charge,” Shmuel. ;)

      • bintbiba
        June 24, 2014, 5:35 pm

        I second the motion, ritzl.!!
        Shmuel gets my vote any time.

  20. Mondowise
    June 23, 2014, 10:22 pm

    “With regard to an incident where it is feared there was a abduction of three Israeli citizens in the Hebron area”

    no proof of a kidnapping per gag order, merely a ‘feared’ one. how interesting :) i still think those teens are living it up somewhere.

  21. anthonybellchambers
    June 23, 2014, 11:31 pm

    It is clear that the Netanyahu government supported by an AIPAC-controlled US congress is intent on setting fire to the Middle East by inciting a 3rd intifada that will involve huge loss of life and escalate into the deployment by Israel of its weapons of mass destruction.

    This catastrophe being the inevitable consequence of its continued occupation of Palestinian land and its illegal settlements that have been condemned worldwide. Apart from the human cost of this state/sponsored terrorism there will be an impact on global oil supplies that could rock world stock markets and destabilise global economies.

    All this because the White House is unable to combat the influence of the Israel lobby in Washington. It is a global international tragedy that will affect all of us throughout Europe and the Middle East.

  22. Taxi
    June 24, 2014, 12:11 am

    The settler parents should be arrested by Interpol soon as they get up on the UN podium.

  23. Taxi
    June 24, 2014, 12:15 am

    When there’s no remorse or mercy from the violent zionist invaders, there’s no remorse or mercy from Taxi.

  24. Taxi
    June 24, 2014, 12:23 am

    The scandal here is that TRILLIONS of US Dollars are legaly/illegally siphoned and fleeced out of American taxpayers to pay for israel’s security WHILE it commits crimes against humanity.

    The scandal here is that Shin Bet and Mosad, with all their fancy-shamancy big guns and radars CANNOT protect even a flea in the holy land.

  25. Taxi
    June 24, 2014, 12:25 am

    Show me the money, mister Netanyahu, SHOW ME THE FREAKING MONEY!!!

    Or STFU with your “we have evidence that Hamas is responsible for the kidnapping”!

    • Shingo
      June 24, 2014, 3:58 am

      Or STFU with your “we have evidence that Hamas is responsible for the kidnapping”!

      Amen. Just like the BS we heard about evidence Hizbullah were to blame for the Bulgaria buss bombing – which the Bulgarian government told us didn’t exist.

  26. TwoRedDogs
    June 24, 2014, 3:48 am

    Rudoren’s latest puff piece:

    link to tinyurl.com

    Let’s see. Death toll up to 5, 361 arrests, she could’ve gone with:

    “IDF Rampages through the West Bank killing 5, arresting 361 in 10 days”.

    • a blah chick
      June 24, 2014, 7:49 am

      Israel’s behavior is like that old joke about a guy who loses his keys in a dark alley but insists on searching for them out on the street because the lighting is better.

      • just
        June 24, 2014, 8:23 am

        lol, albeit ruefully.

  27. hellsbells
    June 24, 2014, 5:29 am

    I think a gag order, an approach that was quiet to the investigation, keeping the whole thing low key… would have been a great approach to getting the guys back in one piece.

    I assume everyone interested in this has read by now the low chances of being alive 4 days after being kidnapped in the West Bank. Assuming the narrative of this being the work of Hamas, then kid gloves would be required to get the guys back alive. Running about brutalizing the West Bank is clearly not ‘kid gloves’.

    This leave us with some reasoned assumptions…

    1. That it was known that the guys are dead (‘Hamas’ assumption)
    2. That knowing this, their death being undisclosed is being used to political advantage.

    Or
    The whole thing is a false flag

    In any case, from what I’ve seen of this, don’t ever send Israel to rescue me! I’d rather take my chances with negotiating my own release. As a recuse operation it is simply too incompetent.

    As a false flag it is brilliantly timed, brutally executed, sure to be a vote gain for Likud, destructive to Palestinian unity, a disaster for any tourism in Palestine… it’s a winner.

    Don’t ‘rescue’ me, my family would want me back alive!

    • Shingo
      June 25, 2014, 5:15 am

      I think a gag order, an approach that was quiet to the investigation, keeping the whole thing low key… would have been a great approach to getting the guys back in one piece.

      Not really. If the government was interested in keeping things low key, all Bibbi had to do was demand that all MKs keep their mouths shut to the media.

  28. Shingo
    June 24, 2014, 6:34 am

    Speaking of gag orders,

    A tip of the hat to the scum junta ruling Egypt and the sentences handed down to the Al Jazeera journalists, including Australian journalist Peter Greste. Not a shred of evidence offered in court and the charges nothing more than reporting what the junta did not want the world to see.

    El Sisi is not only a return to Mubarak tyranny, it Mubarak on steroids. What a blight on humanity and a pox on the Arab world!!

    • amigo
      June 24, 2014, 8:36 am

      “A tip of the hat to the scum junta ruling Egypt and the sentences handed down to the Al Jazeera journalists, including Australian journalist Peter Greste. Not a shred of evidence offered in court and the charges nothing more than reporting what the junta did not want the world to see.” shingo

      And this story is front page news all over the planet but hardly a peep about the criminal rampage by Israel in Palestine.

      • Walid
        June 24, 2014, 11:30 am

        “And this story is front page news all over the planet but hardly a peep about the criminal rampage by Israel in Palestine.”

        It’s only because it involves 3 of their group. For them, Palestine is worlds away and nobody wants to piss-off the Zionists; remember the Holocaust.

      • piotr
        June 24, 2014, 12:29 pm

        Perhaps we cannot escape our inner tribalist. My first observation of that kind was when I was a wee lad in Communist Poland and one day there were huge front page titles about 10 Polish civilian sailors killed by American bombs in Haiphong. Not that Americans should kill them, but weren’t there tens of thousands of bombardment victims in that period (I can be off by some zeroes). (Obviously, it was a very mild case of the tribal sensitivity, because the propaganda about the Vietnam war was obviously very sympathetic to North Vietnam). So Sisi killed thousands of protesters, his mad judges are dispensing death sentences by hundreds, and that merits smaller font than three members of the journalist tribe. I a way it is natural, but as a non-journalist, I am a bit annoyed too.

        I am wondering if Egypt is progressing toward civil war. Historically, Egyptian are somewhat less prone to lethal violence than, say, Syrians or Sudanese. But meting hundreds of death sentences in absentia seems like a decisive step that can change that, truly suicidal idiocy.

      • Walid
        June 24, 2014, 12:39 pm

        From what’s been happening, there are 2 influences at play and both have to do with advisers that must have been dispatched there by Saudia and Israel as Egypt is now in the good graces of both.

      • lysias
        June 24, 2014, 12:49 pm

        The Egyptian authorities are acting as if they’re in a panic. I wonder why.

      • Shingo
        June 24, 2014, 6:34 pm

        The Egyptian authorities are acting as if they’re in a panic. I wonder why.

        Because the coup is illegitimate and they know it. Just like i the Ukraine. The neo nazi junta and Washington were issuing tirades against any use of force against the violent Maidan protesters, but once Yatsenyuk took power, killing Ukrainians by the hundreds was suddenly a legitimate act of restoring order.

      • Walid
        June 25, 2014, 3:27 am

        The serious stuff started. Home-made bombs in 2 subway stations in Cairo injured 4 , early Wednesday morning.

        link to af.reuters.com

      • Shingo
        June 25, 2014, 4:15 am

        Hard to tell how serious. The fact that no one was killed suggests the bombs might not have been that sophisticated. Could be a one off incident.

      • Shingo
        June 25, 2014, 6:25 am

        And this story is front page news all over the planet but hardly a peep about the criminal rampage by Israel in Palestine.

        I agree, though stories of reporters being locked up usually do.

      • piotr
        June 25, 2014, 1:53 pm

        The serious stuff perhaps already started. You should observe that like in Thailand, the government enjoys a large degree of popularity, BUT this popularity is by no means geographically uniform. It was already reported that in some provinces, to arrest a person the military launches an expedition as it cannot rely on local police. The reports from the benighted hinterland are very scarce and only the most serious incidents would be reported. And for starters, where are those hundreds absentee accused condemned to death? Well, in provinces where any arrest attempt would be clumsily ponderous and thus futile, and where perhaps we have “shadow administrations”.

    • Speedy
      June 24, 2014, 1:17 pm

      Shingo,
      Why do you expect a Palestinian state to be different from any of the other non-Zionist states in the region. Please answer respectfully.

      • Shingo
        June 25, 2014, 6:23 am

        Why do you expect a Palestinian state to be different from any of the other non-Zionist states in the region.

        Yes. And why only non Zionist states? Israel locks up reporters all the time.

        Any other racist, bigoted questions you’d like to add?

      • Shmuel
        June 25, 2014, 6:34 am

        Why do you expect a Palestinian state to be different from any of the other non-Zionist states in the region.

        Why do you expect a majority-rule South Africa to be different from any of the other non-white states in the region?

      • Hostage
        June 25, 2014, 10:29 am

        Why do you expect a Palestinian state to be different from any of the other non-Zionist states in the region. Please answer respectfully.

        Because the Palestinians are under the same obligation as Israel to respect the fundamental human rights under UN guarantee and because they have already adopted a Constitution containing provisions regarding the protection of fundamental rights and accession to UN human rights conventions stipulated in the Quartet Road Map. FYI, Israel refuses to do that and adopted 14 reservations that rendered the plan moot or null and void.

    • hellsbells
      June 25, 2014, 7:20 am

      Seriously… screw Egypt! They had a chance under the Muslim Brotherhood now they are totally screwed. I’d rather have seen them with a party that had more critical thinking skills than the MB but at least they were in with a chance and making changes.

      There was an excellent documentary on Al Jazeera on the corruption between Egypt and Israel over gas exploration.

      link to webapps.aljazeera.net

      Maybe we will see something different come out of all this. Then again I wonder who a mature political party will form in a country where even journalists get 7 years jail.

      • Walid
        June 25, 2014, 7:51 am

        ” … at least they were in with a chance and making changes.”

        The change on which the mild fundy Brothers had embarked as far as most Egyptians were concerned was going in the wrong direction. As far as the minority ultra fundy Salafists were concerned, the direction was right but moving along at too slow a pace. The Brothers wanted to shut down the bars gradually over time to not screw up the important tourist trade; the Salafists wanted an immediate total shutdown and for all women to start wearing the hijab now. In the not too distant future, the Saudi-backed Salafists will get their way.

      • Shingo
        June 25, 2014, 8:08 am

        The change on which the mild fundy Brothers had embarked as far as most Egyptians were concerned was going in the wrong direction.

        You might be right Walid, but from reports I have read, they were not even thinking about that far ahead. They were tied down by the Mubarak era deep state stonewalling everywhere they turned. Morsi was so cowered and intimidated that he became a gimp and got nothing done. Any attempt to remove corruption or implement reform was trashed by the hostile media as a MB takeover – be it the courts, the government departments you name it. They accused him of the most outrageous crap, such as accusing him of selling the pyramids to the Saudis.

        The police refused to do their job or police the streets, so crime went up and Morsi was blamed. Same with food shortages, which were manufactured by the military.

        In the not too distant future, the Saudi-backed Salafists will get their way.

        Heaven forbid, but I suppose if they don’t, ISIS will come knocking.

      • Walid
        June 25, 2014, 8:21 am

        ” ISIS will come knocking.”

        Same people, different geography, same banker.

      • Shingo
        June 25, 2014, 8:25 am

        Same people, different geography, same banker.

        Good point, though it seems ISIS have now captured oil fields and other means of funding themselves, and thus are no longer beholden to the Saudis, which makes the outcome much more unpredictable.

      • Walid
        June 25, 2014, 10:26 am

        Shingo, they’re on a leash that the Saudis can yank at any time. There was nothing glorious in their taking of Mosul, the path had been opened for them before they got there, supposedly by Turkish and Israeli intelligence. Also the millions they’re already getting for the Syrian gas is made possible only because Turkey is buying it from them and there is talk of buying even more from the oil that ISIS now controls in northern Iraq. One yank by the Saudis would make their caliphate fall apart. That would happen only after business with Iran will have been taken care of.

      • Shingo
        June 25, 2014, 7:57 am

        Seriously… screw Egypt! They had a chance under the Muslim Brotherhood now they are totally screwed. I’d rather have seen them with a party that had more critical thinking skills than the MB but at least they were in with a chance and making changes.

        Amen brother. My sentiments exactly. The uneducated, illiterate masses got suckered and fooled by the most basic and blatant propaganda. The liberal classes who joined them and have since been cast to the side and by the time they realized they were useful idiots for dictatorship, it was too late. Supporters of the coup
        who speak out are finding themselves locked up or disappeared.

        They thought they were fighting for democracy and they got hoodwinked into facilitating the establishment of Mubarak II. Serves them right – let them rot.

        There was an excellent documentary on Al Jazeera on the corruption between Egypt and Israel over gas exploration.

        Great link thanks.

        Maybe we will see something different come out of all this.

        Egypt will either continue to remain stuck as a 3rd world country run by a military dictatorship/oligarchy, or there will be a civil war. Anyway you look at it, the country is a basket case.

      • hellsbells
        June 25, 2014, 8:35 am

        There are plenty of smart Egyptians. It’s up to people to back brains over dogma. Not that I see much chance of that, the far right seem to have manage to capture the world for the moment.

        Really if things are to improve in the Middle East it has to start in Israel-Palestine. That requires a single state ASAP and important understanding about working together. I means ending all dogma, the managed return of refugees, an insistence that those who wish to stay in the countries where they are get equal rights and a generally rational approach.

        The 2SS is more like bantustans for Palestinians and will only lead to more of what Gaza has become, a series of open air prison camps.

      • Walid
        June 25, 2014, 9:52 am

        ooops wrong location.

      • Walid
        June 25, 2014, 8:53 am

        Yes, great link. I had an idea that the Egyptian people got shafted, but no idea by how much. The video explains it clearly. So now we have a history of Americans subsidizing Israel and to that we have to add how the Egyptians also subsidized them. And they get insulted when we say they are parasitic.

      • Shingo
        June 25, 2014, 9:04 am

        So now we have a history of Americans subsidizing Israel and to that we have to add how the Egyptians also subsidized them. And they get insulted when we say they are parasitic

        Which goes to show yet again that Israel has not been a viable or sustainable state all along. So much for the economic miracle.

      • just
        June 25, 2014, 9:17 am

        Many countries give to Israel. Israel gives…not so much!

        “Q&A
        Israel ranks low in international giving
        A philanthropy expert says citizens could actually legitimize the state of Israel as a part of the world family by giving more to support other people.
        June 08, 2013|By Edmund Sanders, Los Angeles Times

        JERUSALEM — Israeli doctors were among the first to set up emergency hospitals in Haiti after its devastating 2010 earthquake. Israel also swiftly dispatched water-purification experts to Japan following the 2011 tsunami and trauma experts to Boston after the recent marathon bombings.

        Yet despite such high-profile disaster assistance, Israel ranks near the bottom among leading free-market economies in providing foreign aid to developing nations.

        Along with Mexico and Chile, Israel gives the least as a percentage of gross national income among members of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. Israel gives one-tenth of the U.N.’s target rate, lagging behind Turkey, Poland, Slovakia and even Greece during its debt crisis, according to OECD data.

        On an individual basis, Israelis are also less likely to send donations abroad compared with citizens of most European countries and the U.S., according to a study by Hebrew University’s Center for the Study of Philanthropy in Israel. Over the last decade, 0.1% of individual charitable funds raised in Israel went to international relief, compared with 48% in Belgium, 13% in Italy and 5% in the U.S.

        In an interview Wednesday in Jerusalem, Hillel Schmid, head of the center, told The Times that Israelis can and should give more if they want to be accepted as global citizens.

        Q: Why don’t Israelis give more internationally?

        A: Israelis in general are not so generous in giving, internationally and even inside Israel. People are suspicious about giving money. There’s an anti-philanthropist feeling. Even though Israel was built by philanthropists, today surveys show that Israelis think philanthropies are self-interested, political and wasteful.

        And though Israelis see themselves as part of the larger world, they see themselves as beneficiaries, not contributors. Israelis are a little bit selfish in this way. We’ve been educated through the years to expect that money will be imported from the Jewry in the rest of the world, like New York and Los Angeles.

        Q: So do Israelis give a lot of money domestically?

        A: No. Individual philanthropy inside Israel — for things like social programs, education, art, culture — is less than 0.7% of the GDP. In the U.S., it’s about 2.5%. Though Israel is not socialist anymore, people still think it’s the role of the government to provide these things, not philanthropy. They feel, “We pay taxes. We serve in the army. Why should we give more?”

        Total philanthropy in Israel is $5.5 billion a year, but much of that money originates from (foreign sources). We are the biggest importer of philanthropy money in the world. Ten years ago, 72% of Israel’s philanthropy came from overseas. Today it’s about 62%.

        Q: Is the problem that Israelis simply can’t afford it?

        A: No. For several years the government has been declaring almost every day how strong the economy is. But the wealth of Israel is not reflected in the giving. They can afford to give much more. There was a recent report that there are 500 multimillionaires in Israel and several billionaires. Look at people like [American billionaires Bill] Gates and [Warren] Buffett and others who are giving their assets to generous foundations. You don’t find an Israeli who is giving away his capital like that to help a hospital in South Africa.”

        link to articles.latimes.com

        Never mind that they withhold Palestinian money, cut their electricity and water, and to add insult to injury “Israel on Tuesday joined an influential group of rich nations that help poor indebted economies, giving the country an international boost of recognition for its economic accomplishments.”

        link to abcnews.go.com

      • Walid
        June 25, 2014, 10:00 am

        Israelis may be el-cheapos, just, but nobody can say that American or Canadian Jews aren’t charitable, they are probably the most charitable, especially when it comes to sending tax-free dollars to Israel and other beneficiaries. The same tax-free situation benefits Israel from contributors in Canada and Mexico (and Honduras). Interesting article in the Forward from 3 months back that I think was posted here before:

        26 Billion Bucks: The Jewish Charity Industry Uncovered
        Part I — Donors Give More to Israel Than to Education

        …The Forward’s investigation has uncovered a tax-exempt Jewish communal apparatus that operates on the scale of a Fortune 500 company and focuses the largest share of its donor dollars on Israel.

        This analysis doesn’t include synagogues and other groups that avoid revealing their financial information by claiming a religious exemption. But even without this substantial sector, the Jewish community’s federations, schools, health care and social service organizations, Israel aid groups, cultural and communal organizations, and advocacy groups report net assets of $26 billion.

        That’s more than the Las Vegas Sands Corp., which owns casinos all over the world. It’s about the same as the CBS Corp. which owns 29 TV stations, 126 radio stations, the CBS Television Network and Simon & Schuster. The Jewish communal network of tax-exempt groups employs as many people as the Ford Motor Co.

        And its $12 billion to $14 billion in annual revenue is more than the federal government’s 2014 appropriation to the U.S. Department of the Interior, which manages a fifth of all the land in the United States, runs the Bureau of Indian Affairs and the national parks, and administers Guam, American Samoa and the U.S. Virgin Islands.

        link to forward.com

      • just
        June 25, 2014, 10:11 am

        Got it, Walid.

        I’m only saying that Israel is the beneficiary of much largesse, and does precious little for anyone else anywhere. I think that was made clear by the first answer that Hillel Schmid gave in the article that I posted.

        (how much does running a filthy and cruel Occupation cost, anyway?)

      • hellsbells
        June 25, 2014, 10:14 am

        Al Jazeera did such a great job of the research, video and the web presentation. I was disappointed that EI/Ali lifted the video content and wrote around it, with a fair degree of plagiarism and didn’t simply write a review of what was such excellent work.

        Particularly shameful given that it was exactly this sort of content that is why the journalists were put in jail. There was a lot to comment on besides retelling a well told story.

      • Woody Tanaka
        June 25, 2014, 10:56 am

        “Israelis may be el-cheapos, just, but nobody can say that American or Canadian Jews aren’t charitable, they are probably the most charitable, especially when it comes to sending tax-free dollars to Israel and other beneficiaries. ”

        This is old news. The state is a first world economy not from any racist “Jewish mental superiority” nonsense or “start-up entrepenureal spirit” but through a favored access to work capital markets, massive transfer of wealth from its diaspora, an influx of educated individuals whose education was paid for by others, and by lobbies sticking up the American taxpayer both directly and indirectly, as the case here.

        I have no problem if someone wants to send that state the donor’s own money (so long as there is no barrier to similar donations to those opposed to it, without restrictions) but the scandal should be that the American taxpayers are getting soaked to support the Apartheid State.

      • seafoid
        June 25, 2014, 4:10 pm

        Anyway you look at it it is a basket case. I take no pleasure in agreeing with this. Egypt is a long term risk to the Zionist foreverafter.

  29. a blah chick
    June 24, 2014, 8:40 am

    Well, ya’ll will be pleased to know that the police are on the case….of possible incitement by Hanan Zoabi! Yep, the police are processing complaints for statements she made about the kidnapping that failed to express sufficient zeal for IDF riot going on.

    Why don’t they just pass a law making it an offense to be a mouthy Arab lady?

    • just
      June 24, 2014, 9:05 am

      I think they already have that law– it’s called Apartheid! Zoabi has received death threats as well. iirc, she got a “guard”.

      (Notwithstanding that the Israelis bombed Syria yesterday in “defense” of the Arab Israeli child that was killed. I don’t believe for one moment that they actually cared about the child….. at all. They used him in death…)

      • piotr
        June 24, 2014, 12:33 pm

        The evidence that the child was purposely killed by Syrian military seems as solid as the evidence that settler teens were kidnapped by Hamas.

      • just
        June 24, 2014, 12:40 pm

        excerpt from q&a with Burston 6/22– I think this is a noteworthy admission:

        “Q: There’s been plenty of coverage of the three Israeli teenagers’ kidnapping.
        Why isn’t there similar coverage of the poor kid killed on the Golan Heights?
        I ask this as a Jew, wondering whether the fact that he wasn’t Jewish impacts the reporting? Somehow it reminds me of that racist French minister after a Paris bombing in which he claimed no French people were killed, leaving out that indeed French citizens were killed but they were Jews. Why wasn’t this kid given a more human face among the Israeli populace and its supporters? Jonathan Field

        A: Yes. The fact that he wasn’t Jewish impacts the reporting. That is not to say that people didn’t care, or that he wasn’t given a human face. Reporters spoke at length with family members and neighbors, and much of this was broadcast. The place where the Israeli press falls way short, is in giving a modicum of attention to Palestinian kids, teens and unarmed adults killed by IDF fire. Routinely, the reporting casts doubt on the possibility that such an incident took place, the army is quoted as saying nothing more definitive than that it is investigating, there is no face, no name, no verified age, and it is as though nothing at all happened. ”

        link to haaretz.com

  30. Taxi
    June 24, 2014, 12:02 pm

    It’s suspect that no settler price-tags have occurred since the ALLEGED kidnapping. What is it, like the settlers and Netanyahu have some kinda agreement between them? And the teens’ parents smiling at cameras?

    Fishshshshshshshshshshy sh*t!

  31. Walid
    June 24, 2014, 3:26 pm

    Israel disconnected 2 main electricity lines to Ramallah. Looks like darkness ahead for the WB too.

  32. lysias
    June 24, 2014, 4:12 pm

    Proof that Israeli abuses eventually migrate to the U.S.: Obama cites Israeli Supreme Court to justify killing Americans without trial.

    Well, actually it was Obama administration lawyer David Barron (now confirmed for an appellate court judgeship after nomination by the Obama administration) who cited the Israeli court decision that blessed targeted killings:

    Authored by David Barron — former chief of the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel, who has since been appointed by Obama to a federal judgeship — the 41-page document seeks to legitimize so-called targeted killings, a practice Obama’s predecessor, George W. Bush, vigorously condemned Israel for using against Palestinians during the second intifada.

    This makes it all the more ironic that the Obama administration’s kill memo cites an Israeli Supreme Court decision to justify al-Awlaki’s summary execution.

    On page 40, the kill memo — using an alternative transliteration for al-Awlaki’s name — states:

    In addition to the nature of the threat posed by al-Aulaqi’s activities, both agencies here have represented that they intend to capture rather than target al-Aulaqi if feasible; yet we also understand that an operation by either agency to capture al-Aulaqi in Yemen would be infeasible at this time.

    Below that, the memo cites Public Committee Against Torture in Israel (PCATI) v. Government of Israel, a 2006 Israeli Supreme Court decision that ruled that the targeted assassinations of hundreds of Palestinians since the start of the second intifada were legal and did not violate international law. The memo provides this as the basis for determining the infeasibility of al-Awlaki’s capture, with the following explanation in parentheses:

    although arrest, investigation and trial “might actually be particularly practical under the conditions of belligerent occupation, in which the army controls the area in which the operation takes place,” such alternatives “are not means which can always be used,” either because they are impossible or because they involve a great risk to the lives of soldiers.

    • piotr
      June 25, 2014, 12:52 pm

      Re: Proof that Israeli abuses eventually migrate to the U.S.: Obama cites Israeli Supreme Court to justify killing Americans without trial. (lysias)

      Determination of the migration of ideas is a tricky business. One would need to be more precise. Idea of using assassinations? I would argue that the American government started to use them before any significant Israeli influence. Idea of using assassinations against own citizens? I would argue that Israel is actually very reticent on that point, so perhaps a more convincing source was the assiduous study of the activities of Soviet government and its allies. As Cold War unfolded, techniques of the opponent would be copied if there was a belief that they give “an edge”. More recently, our government was morbidly fascinated by the “techniques” of the most stable regimes in the Middle East.

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