The ‘so-called peace process’ and Gaza ‘siege’ — Mohyeldin conveys Palestinian despair on MSNBC

We are seeing the counter-narrative to Israel’s security narrative as never before in the American mainstream. Last night: an astonishing report by Ayman Mohyeldin on MSNBC, Chris Hayes’s show, All In.

Hayes began the segment by saying that in Israel’s strikes on Gaza, “at least 24 Palestinians have been killed, including three women and seven children.”

He interviewed Mohyeldin, who said:

Keep in mind, Gaza has been under siege for several years now… Keep in mind, Gaza does not have early warning sirens and it does not have the bomb shelters for its civilian population that Israel does.

Chris Hayes expressed doubt about Israel’s claim that its attacks on Gaza are a response to rocket fire and not to the kidnapping and murder of three Israeli teens in the West Bank last month.

Moyheldin doubts the claim as well. He said that Israel rounded up 400 members of Hamas after the kidnapping and murder of the teens. Then he raised the point that the Nakba Day killings of two Palestinian teens outside Ramallah in May was a trigger for the latest round of violence– and described the world’s double standard for Palestinian deaths.

Even before the kidnapping… Two Palestinians were killed back in May and that didn’t trigger the kind of international outcry and international outrage that the killing of the [Israeli] teens did…

And then he talks about the alleged peace process:

There is a groundswell of frustration among the Palestinian population. Keep in mind, they’ve been living under this so-called peace process… for nearly 20 years. Their quality of life has never gotten better by any measure of the word.

Asked if another intifada is upon us, Moyheldin speaks of the Palestinian crossroads. The political class is now actively debating different approaches: a change in Palestinian leadership; the use of force, as Hamas recommends; or popular uprising. “There is an ongoing discussion about the best way of achieving self-determination for the Palestinian people.” Incredible, to hear such a straightforward discussion of the debacle of the peace process and Palestinian resistance to occupation, without demonizing Palestinians.

The natural follow-ups to this are the polling data that continue to show Palestinian support for a Palestinian state and the widespread support for the Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions movement. What do Palestinians want? Let us hear from them.

(Hat tip German Lefty)

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  1. W.Jones says:

    I consider the clip to be rather pro-Israeli. They had on for their American audience a a clean-spoken Israeli officer talking English, and compared it with some Gazans who had trouble speaking English, they showed Hamas rockets in the night and people in Tel Aviv running into bomb shelters. Then the narrative was a bit about the cycle of violence and Ayman ended by noting that Palestinians are unhappy that their lives arent improving so they might revolt. The part about lives not improving was mildly Pro-Palestinian.

    The overall impression is that Gaza is attacking the Israeli state with its rockets, and that there have been occasional personal attacks on civilians from both sides, and now they are worried that the conflict may escalate. So overall it is a mix of both sides are wrong, with Gazans provoking Israelis.

    I don’t know why one would feel a need to see this as a major improvement. Ayman was probably Arab, so I guess having an Arab correspondent can be helpful. But the reality is different than the report portrays. Palestinian casualties are always higher than Israeli ones, Gazan rockets notwithstanding. The show is, naturally worried about whether some rockets might succeed in hitting Haifa. Well, for Gazans unfortunately it’s a surety that their own city will be attacked if the Israeli State chooses to do so.

  2. W.Jones says:

    Hayes began the segment by saying that in Israel’s strikes on Gaza, “at least 24 Palestinians have been killed, including three women and seven children.”

    So then why doesn’t Hayes show photos of Palestinians getting killed, but instead shows photos of Gazan rockets and Israelis in Tel Aviv running to an air shelter when few actually get to Tel Aviv?

  3. Basilio says:

    It is refreshing that there are naysayers when it comes to the propaganda from Israel that seeks to have this idea that the Palestinians should be denied their humanity or voice or to be heard from in the world. Once, the ancestors of Israelis were a minority that suffered, and, now, Israelis are making Palestinians suffer via an ethnocratic ideology. It’s the idea of ethnic supremacy, and didn’t the Germans believe in ethnic supremacy, as well?

    • mondonut says:

      Well done. Godwin’s law in the very first comment.

      • Sumud says:

        An inappropriate invoking of Godwin’s law if ever there was one. Mentioning Hitler to end a discussion is Godwin’s law, not mentioning Godwin’s law to end discussion.

        Also – if the comparison is reasonable – and aryan and jewish supremacism are surely just two variations on a theme – that’s not Godwin’s law…

        - – - – - -
        The law and its corollaries would not apply to discussions covering known mainstays of Nazi Germany such as genocide, eugenics, or racial superiority, nor, more debatably, to a discussion of other totalitarian regimes or ideologies, if that was the explicit topic of conversation, since a Nazi comparison in those circumstances may be appropriate, in effect committing the fallacist’s fallacy.

        While falling foul of Godwin’s law tends to cause the individual making the comparison to lose his argument or credibility, Godwin’s law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent’s argument as hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually appropriate.

        link to en.wikipedia.org

      • Mooser says:

        “Well done. Godwin’s law in the very first comment.”

        Wow, you’re right, this place has gone downhill in the past couple of days! What happened? Seems like it happened just as soon as I turned up.

    • German Lefty says:

      and didn’t the Germans believe in ethnic supremacy, as well?

      Oh please! Neither I nor anyone I know have ever believed in ethnic supremacy. So, saying “the Germans” is inaccurate and offensive. It’s “German Nazis” or just “Nazis”.

  4. Kay24 says:

    Chris Hayes and Ayman Mohyeldin coverage of this Israeli aggression, is worth tuning in to. The rest, especially CNN’s coverage, give the zionist the advantage, interviewing their Israeli police superintendent, and the IDF spokesperson. They have interviewed Maen Erekait, Ambassador of the PLO, who explains their position very well, but last time, the Wolf man after interviewing the above Israeli officials at length, gave the Ambassaor a few seconds, perhaps.
    Perhaps Chris Hayes could give the Ambassador some time. Thank you to Chris and Ayman, for giving us a reasonable coverage.

  5. just says:

    I hope that Hayes and/or Moyheldin will be allowed to mention the ongoing Nakba (continuous and sustained genocide of the indigenous Palestinians) later today.

    It’s weird to see Israelis reacting to and fleeing to the calls of sirens as if that’s all that’s going on.

    ( thank you MW and GL)

    • Kay24 says:

      Ayman was the ONLY reporter who mentioned that the escalation of violence, may have even begun after the 2 Palestinian kids were gunned down by the IDF during the Nakba anniversary. The Israelis must hope we all have amnesia, and that we would keep forgetting their crimes.

      • eljay says:

        >> The Israelis must hope we all have amnesia, and that we would keep forgetting their crimes.

        Sadly, that devious scheme has worked pretty well so far.

      • lysias says:

        And one has to wonder whether the gunning down of the 2 Palestinian kids was part of a deliberate Israeli strategy to provoke a violent reaction, so that Israel would have a chance to lash out during the climax of the World Cup.

  6. I think there are only 2 possible future options available to Moyheldin:

    Either he will ‘moderate’ his coverage and become another ‘House Arab’ a la Octavia Nasser or Hala Gorani, or he will find his contract is not renewed, for unspecified reasons. I highly doubt he will be permitted to continue with this dangerous habit of humanising Palestinians.

    • Kay24 says:

      I agree. I guess his superiors will make sure either way, he is muzzled from reporting in way that should be the norm in our country, not the exception.
      No report or journalist dares to cross that zionist line of warning. To do so means you will never find a similar job in this nation again. Our media is muzzled when it comes to Israel and it’s crimes.

      • I wonder why he left Al Jazeera English? Presumably MSNBC were offering him more money and/or a higher profile, especially in the US. Another of AlJE’s bilingual correspondents, Shireen Tadross, also recently jumped ship for Sky News. A shame, as both of them reported brilliantly for AJE during the first – it’s hard to keep up – assault on Gaza, and during the Egyptian revolution.

        • German Lefty says:

          “House Arab” – What a funny expression! And, yes, I know where it is derived from.
          I have a question for you: As you watched Mohyeldin on Al Jazeera English, could you spot differences in his reporting on Al Jazeera English and on MSNBC?

          • I’ve never actually seen Mohyeldin on MSNBC. I never ever watch American ‘news’ networks, other than for comic purposes.

            However, I know that As’ad Abu Khalil aka ‘The Angry Arab’ criticised Mohyeldin some time back for peddling the ‘both sides’ narrative on MSNBC. Not sure if that was a one off or if he is regularly toning down his reporting. Even so, it will not nearly be toned down enough for the AIPAC crowd, which is why I made the above predictions.

  7. Somewhat off-topic, but this video released by the IDF purporting to show Palestinian commandoes emerging from the sea lacks all credibility.
    link to theguardian.com

    It splices together video from three or four cameras “capturing” this new threat and its successful eradication by a combination of small explosives and satellite-directed, eye-in-the-sky larger efforts.

    Scene One:
    Two heavily armed and equipped soldiers are caught by telephoto emerging from the surf, with no apparent explanation for how they got there, they definitely didn’t swim with that heavy gear, but no boat is visible.

    Scene Two:
    Two riflemen are shown via cropped telephoto in close-up firing repeatedly in the direction of the camera, but not at it, a line of fire well below the line of sight from the camera (where was it, in a tower?). Are these two of the commandoes? One suffers a jam and looks at his compatriot as he tries to unjam it. Target of their firing unidentified? Not visibly identifiable as Israeli or Gazan.

    Scene Three:
    From distance behind, five commandoes are shown moving upward (away from the sea) over sand dune-like terrain, with a large explosion occurring above and in front of them, to which they do not seem to visibly react, although their curving path defined by their single file is looping around the site of the explosion.

    Scene Four:
    Closer up two commandoes are viewed in similar terrain before disappearing in an explosion. These explosions appear to be quite small, like a mine exploding, but they also appear to be fake, superimposed, the location and kinetics not matching the terrain credibly. No craters are visible as a result of the explosions.

    Scene Five:
    From space the now familiar scene in which a target icon is fixed on a location, apparently the same or similar sand-dune terrain, and held in place until a very large explosion occurs, following arrival of a missile. If this is supposed to be a concurrent view of the explosions shown in the prior video, there is no credibility, since this is an enormous explosion that would leave a big crater, knock down much of a city block.

    There is no concurrent video from the scene(s) from which the video is being made, as would be typical by cameramen accompanying a unit under attack, viewing over defense work and front line soldiers. Instead, multiple elevated camera locations are apparent, as if the commandoes snuck into a filming set-up, and then dutifully moved from one set to the next. Or a camera from a tower pointed first toward the sea, then along a road, then up a hill, to capture three different scenes, although quality of video is much greater in the second video, perhaps because that scene was closest to the tower.

    It’s not getting much play in the press, perhaps because professional hasbarists in the West apply higher standards than do the crude producers of this video.

    Implication: IDF is churning out crude, phony propaganda to magnify the threat from Gaza and justify “mowing the grass;” western hasbarists are unwilling to stake their reputations on validating it. Further speculation: this is what happens when there is no accountability, the quality of work goes in the sewer, and western hasbarists are now being held to a modicum of accountability, enough so that they are unwilling to get on board, but not enough for this amateur video to get picked apart or even questioned.

    • Thanks for this. I was immediately suspicious of the ”Hamas militants infiltrate Israel by sea” line. Given how tight a stranglehold the IDF have on Gazan waters, it seemed highly implausible. But as you say, hasbara requires the illusion that Israel is up against a dangerous enemy. That whole exploding houses on top of children thing doesn’t play well, even when most of the media is determined to look away.

    • Citizen says:

      Have you seen the short video clip showing a lone nazi flag floating above a Palestinian enclave? Words are in Hebrew. You can see it now on algemeiner web site.

  8. ‘Israel under renewed Hamas attack’, says the BBC. More balance is needed

    link to theguardian.com

  9. Balfour says:

    International law recognizes the right of a militarily occupied people to use all means necessary to resist and defend themselves against unlawful occupation- what truly enrages Israelis is that each missile launched against Israel, no matter how inaccurate, is a physical reminder of the moral shame European Jews continue to feel in refusing to physically protect themselves 75 years ago despite also being a stateless people and also facing an overwhelmingly powerful military and political machine determined to crush and destroy them. Palestinians resist and continue to resist, why didn’t my families Ashkenazi ancestors do the same?

    • Mooser says:

      “Palestinians resist and continue to resist, why didn’t my families Ashkenazi ancestors do the same?”

      Balfour: Ouch! (and thanks!) Can’t wait to see if your contentions produce any more responses.

      Funny, isn’t it, how all the reasons Zionists say their should be a “Jewish State” are, instead, exactly the reasons why their shouldn’t be one.

      And I still have never gotten a Zionist to explain how the Jews or indeed, any Jews, managed to survive in America, with no protection whatsoever from the government, and existing as a tiny minority. We aren’t even allowed to form para-military groups to ‘protect our communities’ We should all be dead, or hiding somewhere, shouldn’t we? And here we are, stepping high, wide and handsome. What went wrong?

      • Philip Weiss says:

        Cause the pen is mightier than the sword?

        • Mooser says:

          Which pen, Phil? Why the only “pen” there is is the one they put us Jews in when we aren’t a protected species, right?
          And yet here we are, and here we were, even as Zionism was being promulgated as the ‘only answer’ to Jewish persecution and suffering
          They’ve had 200 years to pen us up, and it didn’t happen. I guess people are just nicer over here.

          No, I just don’t see what a “pen” could do for us that bullets, planes, illegal nuclear weapons, white phosphorus, and indefinite borders and “settlements” haven’t done for the Zionists.

          • Mooser says:

            And gosh, now that I think of it, didn’t almost everyone Jewish come to the US as an individual? Of course, given the points of entry and language and cultural differences, sure we formed close knit communities, and supported each other,. but we didn’t come here as organized groups under our own authorities and leaders, groups with a plan.
            During some of the greatest and most vicious out pouring of anti-Semitism in Europe and Eastern Europe. And yet here we are. Must be a miracle, and I shouldn’t question the ways of the Almighty.

        • Mooser says:

          “Cause the pen is mightier than the sword?”

          BTW, I want it noted that wrote three comments, and completely resisted a yad and izmel joke, based on the “mightier than” trope.
          That should redound to my credit. The rest of you should be that serious!

      • biorabbi says:

        Mooser, does you knowledge of history begin in 1776? Yes, your point is well taken. Jews manage to survive in America–with no protection whatsoever from the government–existing as a tiny minority. But the experience of Jews in America is also unique, a distinct exception from the rest of history. If all of diaspora history was like that of America, there never would have been a modern-day state of Israel. America is not France, Poland or Germany. Never was, never will be. History teaches America is unique in so many ways. Things change thought. I never, ever, ever thought you would see a wave of thousands of French Jews immigrating to Israel today due to anti-semitism and a crappy economy. But it is happening.

    • Jon66 says:

      I’m not a lawyer, but I do not believe that either side in a conflict may use “all means”. Rather, legal resistance is allowed, but targeting of civilians is a war crime when perpetrated by either party. Bombing a home is illegal, but so is firing missiles at cities.

  10. RE: “We are seeing the counter-narrative to Israel’s security narrative as never before in the American mainstream… Chris Hayes expressed doubt about Israel’s claim that its attacks on Gaza are a response to rocket fire and not to the kidnapping and murder of three Israeli teens in the West Bank last month.” ~ Robbins

    I WISH THEY WOULD COVER THE SCORCHED-EARTH POLICY ISRAEL HAS IN STORE FOR GAZA!
    SEE – Israeli Official: “We Will Do More Than Mow The Lawn In Gaza, We Will Scorch It”, July 8, 2014
    LINK – link to weaselzippers.us

  11. jenin says:

    slightly off topic, but has anyone seen the Times front page article about Gaza today. I’ll refrain from criticizing the article itself because really that would be too much for me in the middle of the work day, but the comments are atrocious. I thought some progress had been made in the public-opinion arena. It’s still open, so anyone who has the time should comment/recommend the good comments because those get put to the top.

  12. German Lefty says:

    Hayes began the segment by saying that in Israel’s strikes on Gaza, “at least 24 Palestinians have been killed, including three women and seven children.” [...] “Keep in mind, Gaza does not have early warning sirens and it does not have the bomb shelters for its civilian population that Israel does.”

    Yesterday, I posted the following comment on the “All In” website:

    Israel attacks Gaza yet again. It was all over the news in Germany today. I watched different evening news shows here. One presenter stated: “It’s time to ‘take off the gloves’, said Netanyahu, on whose hands scarcely anybody would have assumed to be gloves.” Very true and funny remark! A reporter pointed out that, contrary to Israel, Gaza has no bunkers where people can protect themselves from airstrikes. The number of the civilian victims in Gaza was mentioned, too. A short interview with a Hamas spokesperson was aired. Also, a civilian resident of Gaza was interviewed. He said that all of Gaza’s residents are a target of Israel.

    Maybe it’s just a coincidence that these facts were reported on “All In”, too. Or perhaps the “All In” staff actually reads the viewer comments and thought: “If even German TV dares to be that honest and ‘anti-Israel’, then we can do that, too.”

  13. German Lefty says:

    Screengrab of a German news programme I watched today:
    link to imagizer.imageshack.us

  14. Citizen says:

    On Fox News infotainment show The Five, tonight, all the witty regulars blamed everything on HAMAS repeatedly, both generally, and specifically continually mentioning the rocket attacks into Israel. They agreed the US was unreasonably nagging Israel, which was only defending itself from HAMAS.

    While watching it I was also listening to Scott Horton interviewing Phil Weiss (audio from yesterday) about the crisis in Israel.

    I also watched the subject Hayes show on MSNBC last evening; I agree with the entire article and all the comments made below the article here. His was a mixed bag, The Five was a disgustingly bad joke, a blithe mental self lock down of otherwise fairly informed political entainers on the subject of Israel, and Horton-Weiss was the one I wished Americans would hear. But they’re not ready for that; too much insider insight would go over Joe Blow’s head.