Video of 18-year-old Palestinian chased by Jewish mob and killed by police shocks global audience

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In the hours since video went up of the killing of 18-year-old Fadi Alloun near Damascus Gate in occupied East Jerusalem Sunday morning, the footage has shocked people around the world. The young man appears to be hunted by a group of Jews, many religious, who call on police to kill Alloun. The police do. Later police said that Alloun had stabbed a Jewish boy. But whatever he did, the video appears to show an execution, and no attempt at arrest.

And Alloun’s killing follows by two weeks the “extrajudicial execution” by Israeli forces of 18-year-old Hadeel al-Hashlamoun in occupied Hebron.

Electronic Intifada has posted a translation of the cries from the Jerusalem mob and posted the video under the title, “Israeli Police Kill Fadi Alloun in Cold Blood.”

Here is a longer video of the same incident, clearly showing the religious Jews who chase down Alloun.

Ali Abunimah wrote yesterday in a story titled “Video: Death-chanting Israeli mob rejoices as Palestinian teen is executed”:

[V]ideos posted online show that the youth was executed in cold blood as he was chased by a mob of Israeli Jews baying for his blood.

As the video above begins, voices can be heard in Hebrew shouting – apparently at police – “Shoot him! He’s a terrorist! Shoot him!” and “Don’t wait! Shoot him!”…

After police shoot him dead, an officer can be heard asking one of the mob, “Did he stab anyone?

The Israeli youth answers that Alloun did not. While details about the alleged stabbing – and whether Alloun had anything to do with it – are disputed, what is in no doubt is what is visible in the video: he was shot dead in cold blood when he presented no threat to anyone by police who were answering to a mob.

al Jazeera’s report from Issawiya, Alloun’s neighborhood, and from his family, says Alloun was hunted by 70 Israeli “settlers” —  East Jerusalem is occupied, bear in mind — and quotes his family saying the killing was in cold blood.

“The Israelis are shameless liars. Alloun never stabbed anybody. He was the one who was attacked while on his way to work in Jerusalem at a bakery,” a family member of Alloun, who declined to provide his name, told Al Jazeera.

A cousin of the slain Palestinian teenager, who also declined to provide his name, said Alloun was targeted by a mob of about 70 Israeli settlers, one of many who have been rampaging through Jerusalem and the occupied West Bank, attacking Palestinians and their property. “Even if the Israelis prove that he stabbed a settler, what was he to do when beaten and attacked by a huge mob screaming ‘Kill the Arabs’?”

al Jazeera says a London based Arabic publication got more information:

Amjad Idris, Alloun’s nephew, described the last minutes of Alloun’s life to the London-based daily al-Araby al-Jadid, saying he had been chased by a mob of settlers in the Old City before police gunned him down at the Damascus Gate.

“This was a cold-blooded murder,” Idris said. “They could have at least arrested him. They saw he was unarmed and was being hunted down by settlers shouting racist slurs.”

According to Idris, Alloun was detained and interrogated by Israeli police several times but did not have any political affiliations.

Ronnie Barkan on Facebook provided translations of the Hebrew and describes the video as Nazi-like:

the killing, or execution, of 19 y/o Fadi Aloun as captured on video in occupied Jerusalem, October 3rd 2015. even if Fadi was involved in a terror activity (that’s the Israeli claim, I don’t know the facts) he could have easily been apprehended without a single shot, let alone 7 (6 can be heard in the video).

I subtitled this short clip in order for you to get a sense of the prevailing Nazi-like atmosphere.

Mohammed Matter on Facebook offered this interpretation, which is widely shared:

While roaming the streets of Jerusalem and looking for a palestinian to kill, settlers found one.
They attacked him, he tried to protect himself and run away,
the police comes and shoot him 7 times from a 1 meter distance..
Settlers celebrated over his dead body saying , Asshole, we killed an arab
The palestinian dies while the world is watching…

The New York Times offered this very neutral rendering of the video:

Violence struck again around 4 a.m. Sunday when a Palestinian man from the East Jerusalem neighborhood of Issawiya stabbed and wounded a 15-year-old Jewish boy on a road outside the Old City, according to the police. The man, identified as Fadi Alon, 21, was fatally shot by police officers, the third Palestinian killed by Israeli forces in less than two weeks.

A video clip showed Mr. Alon being shot, apparently as he was trying to flee, with Israeli civilians in pursuit and shouting “Shoot him!” as the police arrived.

Yousef Munayyer terms the NYT’s coverage “embarrassing.”

Wow @nytimes this is just embarrassing “Violence struck again” & total, uncritical regurgitation of Israeli narative

Haaretz’s report on the night of violence says: ‘Racist violence has erupted following terrorist attacks in the past, but this time it seems that the Jewish mob which took to the streets was accepted by Jerusalemites with understanding, if not downright approval.”

Haaretz says the mobs began marauding in West Jerusalem near the Old City at midnight, crying “Death to Arabs.” They were responding to recent attacks in the occupied Old City and West Bank.

[G]angs of youths ran amok looking for Arab victims. But Arab workers in central Jerusalem are used to such events, and the vast majority of them fled home before the rioting. Even on the light rail cars, that often serve the Arab population, there were no Arabs. The Jewish youths blocked the rail in the square and “interviewed” passengers to determine their identity.

“Are you an Arab? Are you an Arab?” they called out to a passenger who was probably wise enough to smile without answering.

“Leave him alone. He’s a Jew,” said one of the attackers, and they moved on to look for the next victim.

The mobs later went east toward the Damascus Gate. Haaretz says that Alloun was either jogging in the area, according to his family, or trying to stab settlers, according to police, when he was chased.

Students for Justice in Palestine of Brooklyn College sent out the following alert today:

In light of recent Israeli aggression against Palestinians, including the murder of 17-year old Hadeel Al Hashlamoun, 19-year-old Fadi Alloun, and 19-year old Muhannad Halabi in cold blood, execution style, Palestinians have called for an international “Day of Rage” this Tuesday, October 6th…

In solidarity with Palestinian civil society’s call for an international day of protest, Students for Justice in Palestine will be holding a die-in this Tuesday, October 6th during common hours (12:15pm to 2:15pm) on the sidewalk outside of the West Quad gates on Bedford Ave.

Thanks to Ofer Neiman and Annie Robbins.

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  1. amigo
    October 5, 2015, 10:16 am

    One thing for sure , if Netnayaoo wants an intifada and I believe he does , then he is going just the right way to get one.He knows that all the fear mongering ,hatred and lies , he and his criminal fellow knesset members have been feeding Israel,s Jews and racist right wing fascists , in addition to intrusions into Muslim holy places will invoke a response and consequently incite a Jewish Israeli response such as we see here.

    Do these people really believe they can continue on this path of criminal actions ad infinitum with impunity.Clearly they have no knowledge of the outcome the SA Apartheid gang experienced.I just bet , that subject is not a topic for discussion in Jewish Israeli schools.

    • Marnie
      October 6, 2015, 1:51 am

      I believe he absolutely wants an intifada in an attempt to legitimize to the world his plan to annihilate all Palestinians. He has so many useful idiots in the US and the majority of israeli Jews, who only require the victims be non-Jews. They’ve been stealing property in the dead of night in East Jerusalem, and now chasing any Arab or Arab-appearing male (for now) down the streets with the shouts of “terrorist” and they cheer at the murder. This is straight out of the American South, nazi Germany and every other nightmare landscape on earth, where one group has the power to determine the destiny of another. Jesus wept.

    • ziusudra
      October 6, 2015, 12:15 pm

      Greetings amigo,
      …Do these people believe that they can go on……
      An emphatic, yes!
      There’s no law & order here for the Palestinians!
      We can only imagine the insatiable blood lust of
      the settlers & the inhumane satisfaction of:
      Kill ’em all with Police & Military supporting these
      horrors!
      ziusudra
      PS It was permissable for us to kill Indians & Blacks
      throughout most of our history & we did it!.
      It’s now suicidal for the Palestinians in parts of the
      WB to remain. Leave & come back another day.
      – Life over circumstance is greater than pride to die. –

  2. diasp0ra
    October 5, 2015, 11:38 am

    And then you wonder what drives young men to strap bombs to themselves and blow themselves up? You wonder what drives a child to throw rocks at tanks? You wonder what drives normally law abiding people to go on stabbing sprees in the street?

    No, it must be that we’re brainwashed. We hate freedom, isn’t that the mantra that was repeated over and over again since 9/11?

    You don’t need brainwashing to hate your occupier. You only need functioning senses, because experience with that occupier will teach you to hate them. This video is one example among tens of thousands since the inception of Israel.

    • Kay24
      October 5, 2015, 3:07 pm

      You got that right. People just don’t do that for absolutely no reason. No one takes this much of abuse and will not want to retaliate in some form or the other. When I see this display of hatred and violence against a civilian, and the blood thirsty yells for a helpless kid to be killed, it makes ME want to pick up a large rock too.

  3. Kris
    October 5, 2015, 12:20 pm

    diasp0ra, surely you realize that Palestinians hate freedom and rejoice in the deaths of their children, while Zionist Jews feel really, really bad, just terrible, when they are forced to commit one crime against humanity after another.

    People like Zionist Jews, who hang on God’s every word, just can’t fathom the delusional and hateful thinking that seems to make Palestinians imagine that Palestinians have any rights, of any kind, or ever will.

    If the Palestinians had any brains at all (like the Israelis, who have not only invented cherry tomatoes, but also skunk water and many advanced methods of torture), they would just kill themselves and get it over with now. Instead, they stupidly hang around, waiting to be used as test subjects for Israel’s weapons industry or as experimental subjects in Israel’s ground-breaking refinement of torture techniques. You just can’t take people who are that delusional and unconcerned about their own children seriously.

    This video shows Israeli undercover forces invading a hospital in the occupied West Bank city of Nablus early on Sunday morning and kidnapping a Palestinian patient.

    Meanwhile, two more Palestinians were killed by Israeli forces Sunday and Monday, including a 12-year-old child.

    Samir al-Khayyat, the medical director of the Specialized Arab Hospital, told Ma’an News Agency that the Israeli agents, disguised as Palestinians accompanying a patient, entered the hospital around 4am.

    They went up to the third floor and kidnapped 23-year-old Karam al-Masri from his bed at gunpoint. The Israelis reportedly disabled security cameras, but apparently not all of them.

    The video above has been published by several Palestinian and Israeli media outlets.

    The one-minute long clip cuts between several angles which show a group of about a dozen men walking through various parts of a hospital. At about 40 seconds it shows the men carrying or struggling with a person.

    Second later, two men run past the camera with guns drawn.

    Dressing up agents as what Israel believes Arab or Palestinian civilians to look like – so-called mistaravim – is an old tactic used in everything from acting as provocateurs and spying to dozens of extrajudicial murders.

    Masri’s family issued a statement to Palestinian media expressing their concern over his fate and calling for international medical bodies to intervene. The statement said that Masri, a mechanical engineer, was being treated for injuries to his right arm sustained in a work accident.

    https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/video-israeli-gunmen-kidnap-patient-palestinian-hospital

    • Jackdaw
      October 6, 2015, 3:24 am

      “This video shows Israeli undercover forces invading a hospital in the occupied West Bank city of Nablus early on Sunday morning and kidnapping a Palestinian patient. ”

      The ‘patient’ is suspected of being part of a Hamas gang that shooting to death a Jewish couple (in front of their four children).

      http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4707111,00.html

      • Kris
        October 10, 2015, 11:02 am

        Gosh, I can see why the IDF would kidnap a patient from a hospital, since it’s not as if they could post guards or anything like that while he is hospitalized.

        After all, like every other Palestinian, this young man is a “suspect.” And to such a crime, too!

        Almost as heinous as burning up a baby and his family in an arson attack as they slept. Of course, the Jewish settlers who killed the Palestinian family are shielded from prosecution by the Israel government.

        Apples and oranges, I guess. Right, Jackdaw?

      • Kris
        October 10, 2015, 11:17 am

        Another important difference is that the Palestinians who killed the Jewish parents did not harm the Jewish children, while, the Jews who set the Palestinian parents and children on fire showed no mercy of any kind.

  4. a blah chick
    October 5, 2015, 12:46 pm

    Can anyone confirm that the rioters were breaking into shops and looting?

  5. italian ex-pat
    October 5, 2015, 12:54 pm

    As per Ma’an (Oct. 4):

    A police spokesperson said Israeli forces ” identified and neutralized suspect (Fadi Alloun) who was still holding knife, and shot him”.

    What’s wrong with this picture? If you have just assaulted and stabbed someone and you are being chased by the police and an angry mob, would you let yourself be caught holding the (attempted) murder weapon in your hand? Or would you be tossing it away in the dark while running?
    I suppose we’ll be seeing photos of the knife soon.

    • amigo
      October 5, 2015, 6:16 pm

      “I suppose we’ll be seeing photos of the knife soon. – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/10/palestinian-jewish-audience#sthash.Vgpf4dPf.dpuf“italian pat

      i bet it will be blue and yellow , just like the one planted by the Palestinian girl shot in cold blood last week.

      I am not sure what the IDF part number is but it is most likely a standard part of a soldiers emergency crime scene kit.

    • Teapot
      October 5, 2015, 7:12 pm

      A police spokesperson said Israeli forces ” identified and neutralized suspect (Fadi Alloun) who was still holding knife, and shot him”.

      If they already managed to neutralize the suspect, there is zero justification to shoot him. Basically, this police spokesperson is admitting that they murdered him.

    • italian ex-pat
      October 5, 2015, 8:15 pm

      I watched the video several times, trying to see if Alloun was indeed holding a knife when he was shot. Impossible to tell, too dark. He seems to be gesticulating a lot, it’s possible he had a knife in his hand and was trying to hold his attackers at bay with it.
      Which presents another possible scenario, that would fit in with what his family is saying: he was just out jogging, when some troublemakers looking for an Arab, any Arab, to beat up, happened to spot him and launched into hot pursuit. If Alloun was habitually carrying a knife – let’s say, for self-defense – it is conceivable he would pull it out at that point, to discourage his pursuers.

      Of course, we can only try to guess at what really happened. But one thing is for sure: if he had a knife, as they claim, any forensic expert worth his salt should be able to determine if that knife matches the cuts on the boy he allegedly stabbed. Believing him to be the stabber might explain the anger of the mob chasing him, but nothing justifies the police shooting to kill while he was at that moment posing no danger to anyone – especially since the police, apparently, had no clue as to what had happened before they got there.

      • italian ex-pat
        October 6, 2015, 9:59 am

        More importantly, what about blood on the alleged knife? DNA from the stabbing victim?
        If the knife is ‘clean’, a defense lawyer would have the case thrown out. Unfortunately, the would-be defendant is dead.

  6. Ossinev
    October 5, 2015, 1:37 pm

    The increasingly unhinged and degenerate Nitay is probably well past the point of realising that he has “unleashed the dogs of war”. I suspect and fear that one of the next steps in this spiral into the abyss will be a structuring/legitimizing of these Uzi wielding Zionist whackos. In the interests of protecting the “native” Jewish population from ” rampant Palestinian terrorism ” they may be recruited / trained and deployed like the infamous “B” Specials in Northern Ireland. There are in fact a number of striking parallels with the situation as it was in Northern Ireland during the “troubles” and the years leading up to them – not least the mindset of extreme Protestant Loyalists who truly believed that they were the God ordained proprietors of Ulster and regarded the Catholic natives as little better than foreign vermin. One of the the worst case scenarios for the Palestinians would be the emergence of a Zionist equivalent of the “Shankill Butchers” who epitomised the savagery which can be unleashed by unscrupulous or simply unhinged politicians pandering to the extremes of their electorate in order to retain power. The situation in Northern Ireland in the 60`s and 70`s led to the emigration in despair of many thousands of decent and honourable Protestants. The nightmare largely dissolved because many thousands of decent and compassionate Protestants remained , got involved in the Civil Rights movement and ultimately the Peace Process. There was also the simple fact of being part of the United Kingdom in itself being an automatic check on the excesses of the Ulster government and its police and paramilitary units. It is increasingly obvious that no such checks exist in relation to the actions of the Israeli government and its very own “dogs of war”. Time is running out for those thousands of decent,compassionate and truly Jewish Israelis to get out of the hellhole which their country has become.

  7. Kay24
    October 5, 2015, 2:44 pm

    I was not alive during the crimes of the nazis, but never in my life have I seen such vicious and hatred coming from people who claim they are living in a democracy. These vile crimes go on because the whole damn world does nothing, and the US keeps feeding this monster with aid and weapons. These are despicable people who are asking for trouble. History shows such wickedness does not go on forever, and that these actions only make more people angry with Israel, already a disliked nation. How much more can the Palestinians take? I know that soon there is going to be a thunderous response from Israel’s victims. It is only a matter of time. Israel’s filthy actions will take it’s toll on oppressed people, and when it happens, the cries of victimization will be deafening. Israel is asking for trouble, and when it comes it will be well deserved. What goes around, comes around Israel.

    • eljay
      October 5, 2015, 2:54 pm

      || Kay24: I was not alive during the crimes of the nazis, but never in my life have I seen such vicious and hatred coming from people who claim they are living in a democracy. … ||

      Zio-supremacist Israelis love to boast about how their state is a “Western-style democracy”, a “moral beacon” and a “light unto the nations” -and- not as bad as Saudi Arabia, Mali and African “hell-holes”.

      It’s like the serial rapist claiming that he’s really a good guy because he coaches the local hockey team, does fundraising for the community and helps old ladies across the street -and- he’s not a mass-murderer.

      • Kay24
        October 5, 2015, 5:51 pm

        I agree. They are as bad as some of the rogue nations with no democracy. Their crimes against humanity just as vicious and unacceptable. Israel is the only nation I know that has had a brutal occupation for decades, and lies that it is the victim. We have seen video after video, showing how violent these people are, and yet my tax money goes to make them more comfortable and able to inflict pain and suffering on voiceless people. I don’t know how members of congress and others who are complicit in these crimes sleep at night, because any sane human being would be horrified by these crimes. We are one hypocritical nation, because we keep pointing fingers are those perpetrating similar crimes, when we want to sow the seeds of democracy in some nation not abiding to OUR rules, but ignore what is going on in Israel because it is our dear ally and our favorite charity case.

      • lysias
        October 5, 2015, 6:45 pm

        We also ignore the crimes of Saudi Arabia, which beheads just as much as ISIS does. And is now engaged in a murderous war of aggression in Yemen.

    • echinococcus
      October 5, 2015, 6:53 pm

      Kay,

      Fully agreed: the explosion is on its way and getting close. Perhaps this time or the next. It is going to be a very major slaughter, what with the asymmetry of forces –and the general indifference.

      • Kay24
        October 6, 2015, 7:22 am

        And when it does the world will show outrage, but will ignore the fact that they could have prevented it from happening. The US will immediately defend the side with more weapons and the ability to to more violent.

    • Marnie
      October 6, 2015, 2:01 am

      “Dov Yermiya (born c. 1914) is a former Israeli Defence Forces lieutenant-colonel. In the 1948 Arab–Israeli War he was the officer who directed the assault that ended in the conquest of Saffuriyah, and his memory of the event confirms the version of events given by the Palestinians who fled.[1] During the 1982 Lebanon War, Yermiya was expelled from his unit for voicing public criticism of the IDF’s treatment of civilians.[2] In his diary account of the artillery and aerial assault on the refugee camp of Ain al-Hilweh, he wrote that the quantity of bombs used to bomb the area reminded him of World War 2.[3]

      The following year he became famous for his account of that period in his book My War Diary: Lebanon June 5 — July 1, 1982. Published in defiance of censorship laws, it provoked, according to the publishers, ‘widespread controversy when it was first published in Israel’, but was ignored by western media.[4] The book criticized Israeli actions during the war, and was first published in Hebrew with the title “Yoman Hamilchama Sheli”. It was later translated to English and published by South End Press. The book has been given some attention by western intellectuals, such as the US writer Noam Chomsky. In 1983 he was the recipient of a Human Rights Award from the Association for Civil Rights for his work in relieving the suffering of Lebanese civilians during hostilities. The Israeli army relieved him from duty.[5] According to Edward Alexander, in a chapter surveying what he calls ‘Antisemitism, Israeli-style,’, Yermiya is said to have made a profession of giving speeches around the world that draw on an analogy between Israel and Nazi Germany, and to have affirmed in an interview that he and his friends thought as early as 1945 that the Holocaust would “affect Jews in Israel. . . for the bad.”[6]

      In July 2009, Yermiya wrote to friends expressing his despair at the situation in Israel and Palestine, and concluding

      Therefore I, a 95-year-old Sabra (native born Israeli Jew), who has plowed its fields, planted trees, built a house and fathered sons, grandsons and great-grandsons, and also shed his blood in the battle for the founding of the State of Israel, Declare herewith that I renounce my belief in the Zionism which has failed, that I shall not be loyal to the Jewish fascist state and its mad visions, that I shall not sing anymore its nationalist anthem, that I shall stand at attention only on the days of mourning for those fallen on both sides in the wars, and that I look with a broken heart at an Israel that is committing suicide and at the three generations of offspring that I have bred and raised in it.

      — Dov Yermiya in July 2009

  8. lysias
    October 5, 2015, 6:49 pm

    The only people who engaged in looting and violence against Jews on Kristallnacht were Nazi Party fanatics, largely members of the SA. Average Germans were shocked by it, as documents of the Nazi government clearly show.

  9. lysias
    October 5, 2015, 7:03 pm

    From disturbing latest entry in Richard Silverstein’s Tikun Olam: Jerusalem Descends into Blood Lust:

    UDPATE: About twelve hours ago, a third Palestinian youth was murdered by Occupation forces. This new killing happened near Tulkarm. Ronnie Barkan reported to me there were a total of seven attempts to lynch Palestinians in the past 24 hours.

    Israel is not a normal country. It is not a western country. It is not a democratic country. It is a country seeped in blood. A country where the hounds bay for fresh blood. The blood of Israeli Jews and Palestinians. Yesterday and the day before it was the blood of four Jewish settlers murdered in the Occupied Palestine. A couple driving their car through the West Bank were shot to death and two rabbis associated with ethnic cleansing group, Ateret Cohanim, were stabbed to death there. Today, it is the blood of a Palestinian teenager, Fadi Alloun, hunted like a dog by an Israeli mob who suspected him of stabbing a Jewish settler teen, who’d been attacked near the Old City in Occupied East Jerusalem. The stabbing happened in the Musrara neighborhood and the stabbing happened near the Damascus Gate, which are in the same general vicinity.

    • Kay24
      October 6, 2015, 7:26 am

      It seems they are meaner and thirsting for Arab blood. What can you expect, when they are taught to hate from childhood, made to feel they are picked on, and their government and PM constantly spewing hatred by words, and violence by actions.

      “Israel’s New Right Wants Blood in the Streets
      The settlers who once led the camp have been pushed aside in favor of the wisdom of the masses, who want an immediate and violent solution”.
      read more: http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.678937

  10. just
    October 5, 2015, 7:14 pm

    It’s a difficult read. Thanks for sharing it here, lysias.

    From your link:

    “… This is Israel. Any of you who defend or support such a state thirsting for blood, watch this video and see what you are supporting. And do not seek to minimize this incident. Do not say it is the product of a hooligan mob unrepresenative of the rest of the country. This mob IS the country. The country has collapsed into brutality and murder. It is sickening.

    I say repeatedly after the murders of Israeli Jews that I oppose such violence by Palestinians. But no one should be fooled into having any sympathy for the settler enterprise. These people have stolen Palestine. They are thieves. They are usurpers. You cannot be innocent and be a settler. It does not mean you deserve to die in front of your children. But it means that you are guilty and your crimes cannot be swept away.

    As for the East Jerusalem attack, it occurred in the Old City’s Muslim Quarter. This is where the rabbis who were murdered lived. They lived there as part of Ateret Cohanim’s ethnic cleansing project, seeking to rid the Holy City of its Muslim population. Ateret Cohanim supports the rebuilding of the Third Temple. It supports the razing of the Haram al Sharif. In effect, it supports religious holy war.

    There people are not innocent. They are not civilians. They are warriors for the settler god. I did not use a capital “G” because they do not fight for any God I know or worship. They are idolators. They worship at the altar of hate. They worship a false god. As long as they rule Israel (and they do, believe me, they do) the nation is on the road to destruction.

    Who will stop this? When will the world step in and say enough to the insanity? How many dead will it take? 35,000 Palestinians have died since 1948 in wars with Israel. How long before another 35,000 die? Will the United Nations, EU and American presidents wait until we have another Rwanda or Sarajevo in the Holy Land? Do 800,000 have to die?”

    http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2015/10/05/jerusalem-descends-into-blood-lust/#comments

  11. Jackdaw
    October 6, 2015, 2:09 am

    According to AP, Fadi Alloun, just hours before the stabbing, posted this message to his Facebook page:

    “Either martyrdom or victory.”

    http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/cae69a7523db45408eeb2b3a98c0c9c5/Article_2015-10-04-ML–Israel-Palestinians-The%20Latest/id-5259717d0aa14451a6d624c828c17400

    • amigo
      October 6, 2015, 9:02 am

      The article in your link starts out with , “Israeli police say” .

      Nuff said.

    • Annie Robbins
      October 6, 2015, 10:05 am

      jack, the AP article does not say just hours before the stabbing, posted this message to his Facebook page

      in fact, i do believe there’s some media trickery going on over this. the person who posted on his FB page “just hours before the stabbing” was Muhannad Halabi, 19. you can read all about that here:

      http://www.timesofisrael.com/the-third-intifada-is-here-jerusalem-terrorist-wrote-day-before-attack/

      your AP article references halabi’s attack and says nothing about his very prominent FB posting, then seques to Fadi Alloun and claims

      He had written on his Facebook page: “Either martyrdom or victory.”

      without attributing the allegation to anyone. not the police or the relatives. and if the unidentified AP reporter found that statement on Alloun’s FB page, they don’t mention when they found it. it could have been written the year before if it was written at all. and without context it’s not that different than writing ‘give me liberty or give me death’.

      • Jackdaw
        October 6, 2015, 1:02 pm

        Annie.
        You know by now I don’t make things up.

        “On Saturday, he wrote on his Facebook page: “Either martyrdom or victory”, according to the Associated Press news agency. ”

        http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/10/israel-limits-palestinian-access-jerusalem-city-151004052101194.html

        The stabbing of the Jewish15 year old, and Fadi’s death by shooting, both occurred early Sunday. To wit; Fadi made the Facebook entry hours before the incident(s).

      • Jackdaw
        October 6, 2015, 1:14 pm

        Annie,

        The quote from Al Jeezeera is,” Relatives of the teen behind Sunday’s attack identified him as Fadi Alloun, 19, from traditionally Arab east Jerusalem. On Saturday, he wrote on his Facebook page: “Either martyrdom or victory”, according to the Associated Press news agency.”

      • Mooser
        October 6, 2015, 3:07 pm

        “Annie: You know by now I don’t make things up.”

        Thanks for the hilarity, “Jackdaw”.

  12. Jackdaw
    October 6, 2015, 2:18 am

    After police shoot him dead, an officer can be heard asking one of the mob, “Did he stab anyone?”

    “The Israeli youth answers that Alloun did not”

    Not that anyone here cares, but the Israeli youth’s actual reply to the officer was, ” “He hadn’t yet succeeded [in doing so].”

    • Boo
      October 6, 2015, 11:43 am

      Being that he was running from a vicious mob, it’s quite unlikely that he would’ve had the slightest opportunity to “succeed”. And, oh yeah, where’s the alleged knife?

      • Jackdaw
        October 6, 2015, 1:09 pm

        A vicious mob that had done what do him before he got shot?

        And your answer is…….?

      • Mooser
        October 6, 2015, 3:11 pm

        “A vicious mob that had done what do him before he got shot?
        And your answer is…….?”

        Is it safe to let “Jackdaw” go on commenting here? Can the movement afford it? I mean, he makes Zionism and Zionists so appealing And his arguments are so hard to refute!
        And he’s so brave! Such moral and intellectual courage! I’m telling you, he’s the man who could change the mind of a whole generation of American Jews.

      • Jackdaw
        October 6, 2015, 5:26 pm

        @Mooser

        You asked me where in Israel I lived, and I told you.

        I asked you where you lived in the US and you headed for the high grass.

        Captain Courageous.

      • talknic
        October 6, 2015, 9:23 pm

        @ Jackdaw

        ” I asked you where you lived in the US”

        Irrelevant to the issue/s. A great many Israelis have been led to believe they’re living in Israel, when in fact they aren’t.

        The US is not illegally claiming anyone else’s territory, whereas Israel has illegally claimed more than half of what remained of Palestine after we were given, completely gratis, more than half of Mandate Palestine for the Jewish homeland state.

        http://wp.me/pDB7k-Xk

    • amigo
      October 6, 2015, 3:35 pm

      “Not that anyone here cares, but the Israeli youth’s actual reply to the officer was, ” “He hadn’t yet succeeded [in doing so].” – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/10/palestinian-jewish-audience#comment-800907” .Lockjaw.

      So why was he shot if he had not stabbed anyone.

      Your witness.

      • Jackdaw
        October 6, 2015, 4:09 pm

        There was a incident in which 15 year old Moshe Malka was stabbed in the back and chest. Maybe one or two people witnessed that attack.
        Shortly after, Fadi Alloun, is pursued by a crowd until he is gunned down a few hundred yards from the stabbing site.
        I presume that when the Jewish youth says “He hadn’t yet succeeded [in doing so], that means that Fadi hadn’t stabbed anyone in the pursuing crowd.

        I doubt than anything I’ve said will convince you.
        Umm… who stabbed Moshe Malka, and how did Moshe’s attacker successfully disappear?

        I strongly doubt that Moshe Malka had been part of a group that had accosted Fadi.

        Unless someone can prove that Fadi was the humble baker, en route to his place of business, I can only conclude that he stabbed Moshe Malka in a an unprovoked terror attack.

      • eljay
        October 6, 2015, 6:23 pm

        || Jackdaw: There was a incident in which 15 year old Moshe Malka was stabbed in the back and chest. Maybe one or two people witnessed that attack.
        Shortly after, Fadi Alloun, is pursued by a crowd until he is gunned down a few hundred yards from the stabbing site.
        I presume that when the Jewish youth says “He hadn’t yet succeeded [in doing so], that means that Fadi hadn’t stabbed anyone in the pursuing crowd.

        I doubt than anything I’ve said will convince you. … ||

        I’m convinced that Mr. Alloun may have stabbed Mr. Malka. So let’s arrest him, get him to a court of law, try him for the crime and, if found guilty, hold him accountable for his actions.

        Oh, wait, he’s dead, murdered by the Israeli police.

        || … Unless someone can prove that Fadi was the humble baker, en route to his place of business, I can only conclude that he stabbed Moshe Malka in a an unprovoked terror attack. ||

        So, just to be clear: If a non-Jew is stabbed and, shortly after, a Jew is pursued by a crowd, you’re saying that it’s perfectly acceptable for the non-Jewish police not to arrest but to murder that Jew. Is that about right?

      • Mooser
        October 6, 2015, 8:18 pm

        “So, just to be clear: If a non-Jew is stabbed and, shortly after, a Jew is pursued by a crowd, you’re saying that it’s perfectly acceptable for the non-Jewish police not to arrest but to murder that Jew. Is that about right?”

        Eljay, no, of course not. If it was another Jew the mob wanted shot in Jerusalem, they would yell “He’s a filthy Leftist!” or maybe “He’s from the B’Tselem” !
        Of course “Look, he’s got a TV camera!” might work, too.

      • RoHa
        October 6, 2015, 8:32 pm

        “I can only conclude that he stabbed Moshe Malka in a an unprovoked terror attack.”

        No, you do not have to draw any conclusion at all. You can simply say “I do not have enough information to make a decision about the mater.”

        But “I don’t know” seems to be the hardest thing to say.

      • talknic
        October 6, 2015, 9:35 pm

        @ jackdaw “There was a incident in which 15 year old Moshe Malka was stabbed in the back and chest”

        Allegedly. But where’s the evidence? Photos of the alleged injuries, medical report

        ” Maybe one or two people witnessed that attack”

        “Maybe”, maybe not.

        “Unless someone can prove that Fadi was the humble baker, en route to his place of business, I can only conclude that he stabbed Moshe Malka in a an unprovoked terror attack”

        The accuser is usually required to provide the evidence in modern democratic & civilized countries. Accusations are not evidence. However, you conclude without a shred of evidence

      • Jackdaw
        October 7, 2015, 1:56 am

        @talknic

        “Allegedly. But where’s the evidence? Photos of the alleged injuries, medical report”.

        Here’s the kid speaking from his hospital bed about the incident.

        http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/201397

        I promise to have the photos of the injuries and the medical reports on you desk by tomorrow morning.

      • talknic
        October 7, 2015, 7:16 am

        @ Jackdaw

        Uh huh.

      • eljay
        October 7, 2015, 8:14 am

        || Mooser: Eljay, no, of course not. If it was another Jew the mob wanted shot in Jerusalem, they would yell “He’s a filthy Leftist!” or maybe “He’s from the B’Tselem” ! Of course “Look, he’s got a TV camera!” might work, too. ||

        Well, sure, that works for Jews on a Jew in Jerusalem. But what if, say, a Jew was being chased by a bunch of non-Jewish people in a non-Jewish-eternal-historic-homeland state?

        According to Jackdaw’s reasoning, unless someone could prove that the Jew was just an “average Joe” (yonah scoffs), the only conclusion a person could come to is that the Jew was guilty and the police were entitled to gun him down in cold blood.

        Personally, I prefer seeing allegedly guilty people – Jews and non-Jews alike – arrested, tried fairly and, if found guilty, held accountable for their actions.

      • Annie Robbins
        October 7, 2015, 9:07 am

        I prefer seeing allegedly guilty people – Jews and non-Jews alike – arrested, tried fairly

        they’ve got a system worked out in israel that’s much easier on the courts. kill the palestinian suspects and excuse or don’t charge the jewish ones (unless they are caught red handed on video, then plant evidence to make them look innocent)

      • echinococcus
        October 7, 2015, 10:42 am

        RoHa,

        tsk, tsk.

      • RoHa
        October 7, 2015, 6:54 pm

        @echinococcus

        My self-correction software suddenly decided I was writing in Latin.

        That’s my story, and I’m sticking to it.

      • talknic
        October 7, 2015, 8:42 pm

        @ Jackdaw “I promise to have the photos of the injuries and the medical reports on you desk by tomorrow morning”

        Yawn …. almost noon here

      • echinococcus
        October 7, 2015, 10:06 pm

        RoHa,

        It figures. It is usually capitalized in English.

  13. just
    October 6, 2015, 5:28 am

    “PM Asks Justice Minister to Expedite Demolition of Terrorists’ Homes

    During a cabinet meeting that lasted more than five hours, Education Minister Bennett demands settlements be built after every terror attack; Israeli forces demolish two homes of convicted terrorists and seal off another. …

    … Education Minister Naftali Bennett demanded the cabinet adopt a new policy of new construction in the settlement after every terror attack – including an announcement on new construction to be issued immediately.

    In addition, Bennett repeated his demand to rearrest hundreds of prisoners released in the Gilad Shalit deal. Bennett said many of them have violated the terms of their release, therefore there is no reason preventing their rearrest. The Education Minister and Habayit Hayehudi leader said that after the abduction and murder of the three Israeli teens last summer, some 50 prisoners released in the Shalit deal were detained again, and urged this policy to be implemented once more.

    A confrontation ensued between ministers Bennett, Shaked and Immigrant and Absorption Minister Ze’ev Elkin on one hand, and Economy Minister Aryeh Deri on the other. Bennett, Shaked and Elkin called for harsher steps to be taken in the West Bank and Jerusalem, and demanded construction in settlements be increased. Deri hit back, saying that if those demands are met Israel may find itself in a war. He turned to the IDF chief who was sitting in the room and asked him: “Do you feel like someone is tying your hands?” Lt. Gen. Gadi Eisenkot said no.

    At the meeting, the cabinet ministers were briefed about the reinforcement of police forces in Jerusalem, and over increased police activity in the Palestinian neighborhoods of the city.

    “No one anywhere will have immunity,” Netanyahu said during the meeting.

    read more: http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.678955

    In another of the most grotesque, most flagrantly hypocritical and supremacist statements of Netanyahu, there’s this:

    “Netanyahu also demanded to bring to justice civilians and shop owners who witnessed the terrorist attack in the Old City in Jerusalem on Saturday but didn’t offer aid to the wounded, and according to the statement, even hurt them. “We will not accept a situation in which a Jewish woman is stabbed and people avoid helping her, swear at her and kick her. We will bring them to justice,” Netanyahu said. …”

    What about Hadeel al-Hashlamoun who was left to exsanguinate by the IOF after she was riddled with their bullets, and then dragged through the dirt? What about the filth in the video above kicking of 18-year-old Fadi Alloun after GoI forces slaughtered him? What about Salem Shalamy? Et al.

    “Palestinian attackers’ family homes demolished by Israeli forces – video”

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2015/oct/06/palestinian-attackers-homes-demolished-by-israeli-forces-video

    Psychotic.

    Collective punishment.

    • eljay
      October 6, 2015, 7:24 am

      … “We will not accept a situation in which a Jewish woman is stabbed and people avoid helping her, swear at her and kick her. We will bring them to justice,” Netanyahu said. …

      Bibi may be King of all Jews, but he’s the leader of Israel and all Israelis – not just the Jewish ones – should matter equally to him. But they don’t, because he’s a hateful and immoral Zio-supremacist and Israel is a religion-supremacist “Jewish State”.

      • a blah chick
        October 6, 2015, 8:33 am

        He’s really looking for new ways to fill the prisons. How much longer before “reckless eyeballing” becomes illegal.

  14. talknic
    October 6, 2015, 8:06 am

    Mmmmm no Hasbara workers today

    • Kay24
      October 6, 2015, 9:01 am

      They must be having a busy day, having video conference calls, being instructed how to lie and pretend Israel is the victim, and place the blame entirely on unarmed kids throwing stones.
      It must be hard to defend the indefensible.

  15. Jon66
    October 6, 2015, 8:43 am

    Even if he had a knife, they should have attempted to arrest him. I didn’t see any warnings at all. Police are given the authority to carry guns and should have the responsibility to use them only as a last resort.

  16. Kay24
    October 6, 2015, 8:59 am

    Just for once, I would like to hear the MSM ask Israel’s apologists who are sent here to lie, and pretend it is all one sided, why this keeps happening, and whether or not ending the occupation would stop this carnage. No one speaks about the occupation or the illegal settlements, which is the MAIN reason why these poor kids are angry and reacting this way. NO ONE SPEAKS ABOUT THE REASONS for these unnecessary deaths and injuries.

    • eljay
      October 6, 2015, 9:10 am

      || Kay24: Just for once, I would like to hear the MSM ask Israel’s apologists … why this keeps happening, and whether or not ending the occupation would stop this carnage. … ||

      I wouldn’t ask them “whether or not”, because they would just say “it wouldn’t”.

      I would insist that they provide a hasbara-free explanation of why Israel – a self-proclaimed “moral beacon”, “light unto the nations” and “Western-style democracy” – insists on:
      – maintaining an almost-70-years-long military occupation and colonization of territory outside of its accepted and recognized (Partition) borders; and
      – strenuously ignoring its obligations under international law (including RoR of refugees).

      Unfortunately, there is no hasbara-free explanation for Israel’s behaviour. What it does it does because it is a religion-supremacist state founded on and driven by an unjust and immoral ideology.

      • Kay24
        October 6, 2015, 9:55 am

        Agreed. It is hard to live with the fact that American tax payers are footing that bloody bill.

  17. Ossinev
    October 6, 2015, 11:12 am

    Poor old Nitay. He didn`t get permission from his Congress Harem to instruct Obama to demolish a number of” within a year” nuclear warhead producing buildings in Iran and perhaps just for the icing on the cake ” command and control centres ” in downtown Teheran. I imagine that his psychiatrist has advised him that it`s too soon to mow the lawn again in Gaza but if he really has got an unbearable itch to destroy buildings he should satisfy the itch by upping the rate of destroying “A la SS”the homes of suspected Palestinian “terrorists” ( oh incidentally also the homes of innocent men women and children )

    One step away from the Lidice doctrine becoming official government policy in the only “Western” democracy in the Middle East ?

  18. a blah chick
    October 6, 2015, 5:00 pm

    Jackdaw October 6, 2015, 4:09 pm
    “There was a incident in which 15 year old Moshe Malka was stabbed in the back and chest….

    …Unless someone can prove that Fadi was the humble baker, en route to his place of business, I can only conclude that he stabbed Moshe Malka in a an unprovoked terror attack.”

    Logic like that got a lot of black men lynched.

    • Rashers2
      October 6, 2015, 7:13 pm

      Jackdaw, abc is, indeed, right: in criminal justice systems where the Rule of Law more-or-less still obtains, the following (to paraphrase you) would be the correct thing to write, ” …Unless someone can prove that Fadi was not the humble baker and not en route to his place of business, I cannot only conclude that he stabbed Moshe Malka in an unprovoked terror attack.”

      • Rashers2
        October 6, 2015, 8:02 pm

        My apologies; posted too soon. Perils of MW -commenting from a mobile ‘phone. ..

    • Rashers2
      October 6, 2015, 7:42 pm

      Jackdaw, abc is spot-on: in criminal justice systems where the Rule of Law more-or-less still obtains, the following would be the correct thing to write (and, indeed, to think), ” …Unless someone can prove that Fadi was not the humble baker and not en route to his place of business; and without further, compelling evidence; I cannot conclude that he stabbed Moshe Malka in an unprovoked terror attack.” Your comment betrays your own and the State of Israel’s abandonment (or is it simply lack since, to abandon a principle, one must first have held it?) of justice, due process and respect for the Rule of Law, which distinguish civilised societies from others. Zionism has led (inevitably) to tribalism and atavism; and the crowning irony is that, just as under 20th Century Fascist dictatorships, the brute atavists delude themselves that their behaviour is rooted in some innate superiority to their fellow-man.

      • oldgeezer
        October 7, 2015, 11:18 am

        @jackdaw

        Where is the unbroken link other than the response to the policeman by the racist israeli thug that the murdered Palestinian had not succeeded in stabbing anyone yet?

        Seriously jack. You havent even shown a link of any type. There may be one but you havent laid it out anywhere.

    • Jackdaw
      October 7, 2015, 9:16 am

      @blah

      Moshe Malka was stabbed, and his friends stopped the assailant. The assailant fled, and apparently, seemingly, logically, the assailant was pursued by witnesses and bystanders. There seems to be an unbroken link between the Malka stabbing and Fadi’s pursuit. Whether the police shooting was justified is another matter.

      I was actually on the fence on this one, till I learned that Moshe’s friends had interrupted the stabbing. BTW, Moshe looks like a ‘deer in the headlights’ innocent, and not a gang member prowling the streets assaulting random Arabs.

      BTW, Moshe’s injuries to the chest and back suggest that he was suddenly stabbed (in the chest), and than stabbed again (in the back) as he fled for his life.

      Does anybody not see this?

      • Annie Robbins
        October 7, 2015, 10:19 am

        There seems to be an unbroken link between the Malka stabbing and Fadi’s pursuit.

        things are not always as they seem to be. iow, it’s irrelevant what it “seems to be” to you. because fadi alloun was executed at the scene, even tho he was running and could have been easily apprehended, just like scores of other teens israel has murdered, there will not be a counter investigation and trial. do you have any idea why palestinian suspects are continually gunned down and not put on trial?

        you know what it ‘seems like to me’? it seems like the mob was out to kill. they were even screaming death to arabs. there’s a high probability in a crowd like that not everyone even had an awareness at that time Malka had been stabbed (if in fact he was stabbed — no sense giving a fanatical settler the benefit of the doubt, presumably malka went to the area at that time to take part in the mob and is a settler). in a settling like this, given the nature of israeli mob mentality, any palestinian on the street at that time could have been gunned down.

        and given the israeli penchant to plant weapons on suspects and lie about it (they [israeli government/’security’ forces] lie all the time and regularly blame palestinians for killing their own people and completely outlandish crap) there’s no compelling reason whatsoever to assume alloun stabbed anyone.

      • eljay
        October 7, 2015, 10:28 am

        || Jackdaw: … Does anybody not see this? ||

        I see it. And I ask again: If the situation involved a fleeing Jewish perpetrator, would you be OK (meaning that you would find it acceptable and not anti-Semitic) with a non-Jewish mob demanding that he be shot to death, and with the police summarily executing him rather than arresting him so that he could be tried and, if found guilty, held accountable for his actions?

      • talknic
        October 7, 2015, 11:18 am

        @ Jackdaw “Moshe Malka was stabbed”

        Allegedly

        “and his friends stopped the assailant”

        Allegedly

        “Moshe’s injuries to the chest and back”

        Alleged injuries

        “Does anybody not see this?”

        I see accusations … no evidence!

      • Jackdaw
        October 8, 2015, 3:17 am

        @Annie

        “do you have any idea why palestinian suspects are continually gunned down and not put on trial?”

        Annie. These Israeli cops didn’t get the summary execution memo.

        http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4708173,00.html

        What parts of ‘overpowered and apprehended’ don’t you get?

      • Annie Robbins
        October 8, 2015, 4:01 am

        These Israeli cops didn’t get the summary execution memo.

        that’s good news. however, it doesn’t address all the palestinians who continue to be gunned down and not put on trial.

      • Jackdaw
        October 8, 2015, 6:04 am

        Stabs yeshiva student in the neck, and is apprehended.

        http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4708473,00.html

        ap·pre·hend
        ˌaprəˈhend/
        verb
        past tense: apprehended; past participle: apprehended

        1.
        arrest (someone) for a crime.

      • a blah chick
        October 10, 2015, 12:13 pm

        Jackdaw, let me state for the record that I do not care if they cornered him still clutching the bloody knife in his hands. In civilized countries you do not allow suspects to be gunned down in the street by the police or anyone else.

        Also don’t you find it strange that the Jews who have stabbed people in recent days somehow manage to be taken alive? Funny that.

        BTW do you think we’ll ever see an apprehension in the Dawabshe murders?

  19. frankmiller195
    December 17, 2015, 12:11 am

    The Israelis are doing what they need to to survive. Why don’t Jewish groups support them?

    • Kris
      December 17, 2015, 1:13 am

      frankmiller195, this is your first comment on mondoweiss. Why are you commenting on an old article, from October?

      • talknic
        December 17, 2015, 7:13 am

        Simple, it helps clog up the moderation workload.

    • talknic
      December 17, 2015, 7:52 am

      @ frankmiller195

      The Israelis are doing far more than what they need to to survive. Most states survive by NOT exceeding their borders and by adhering to International Law and the UN Charter

      The State of Israel is continuing an occupation that began in 1948 and has since prevented Independent Palestinian statehood in territories territories the Israeli Government itself claimed on May 22nd 1948 were “outside the State of Israel” … “in Palestine”

      “Why don’t Jewish groups support them?”

      Despite Israel’s illegal actions in territory “outside the State of Israel” … “in Palestine”, some do. Tho why anyone would want to support a state in breach of more UNSC resolutions for its actions “outside” of its territory than any other state in the entire UN , is rather odd.

      Either they’re ignorant of Israel’s legal obligations or they’re willfully aiding and abetting a criminal enterprise via a plethora of propaganda mantras. Nothing the latter says can be believed

      Some of us however, shine a light thru the propagandists wholly holey moldy olde Hasbara and see what the Zionist Federation set in motion in 1897 and which continues today.
      The colonization of Palestine
      which BTW, is in complete defiance of numerous UNSC resolutions affording the State of Israel opportunity after opportunity to adhere to the binding Laws, UN Charter and Conventions those resolutions reaffirm and emphasize. For example:

      UNSC resolution 465 is just one of EIGHT reminders to Israel of UNSC res 252. All of which are based on the Laws, UN Charter and Conventions the State of Israel obliged itself to uphold

      UNSC resolution 465

      5. Determines that all measures taken by Israel to change the physical character, demographic composition, institutional structure or status of the Palestinian and other Arab territories occupied since 1967, including Jerusalem, or any part thereof, have no legal validity and that Israel’s policy and practices of settling parts of its population and new immigrants in those territories constitute a flagrant violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War and also constitute a serious obstruction to achieving a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in the Middle East;

    • diasp0ra
      December 17, 2015, 8:43 am

      @Frank

      I hope you see how easily abusable that line of logic is.

      If “doing what they need to do to survive” is all the criteria for making something morally acceptable then bandits and raiders are doing nothing wrong.

      Do you have any idea how many tyrants and dictators through history have exported their own domestic crises and projected it on a foreign entity in order for their regime to survive? Do you have any idea how many wars were started with this goal?

      I hope you rethink your position, and welcome to MW.

    • eljay
      December 17, 2015, 9:53 am

      || frankmiller195: The Israelis are doing what they need to to survive. Why don’t Jewish groups support them? ||

      You mean “Why don’t Israeli groups support them?”, right? Or are you anti-Semitically conflating Israel with all Jews and all Jews with Israel?

      And why is that, for Israel, doing “what it needs to survive never includes:
      – ending its decades-long campaign of aggression, oppression, theft, colonization, destruction, torture and murder;
      – withdrawing to within its / Partition borders;
      – honouring its obligations under international law; and
      – engaging in sincere negotiations for a just and mutually-beneficial peace?

    • Mooser
      December 17, 2015, 4:32 pm

      “The Israelis are doing what they need to to survive. Why don’t Jewish groups support them?”

      “frankmiller195” I don’t know if you are Jewish, but even if you are not, as a Jew I feel you are owed an honest answer. What can we do? The entire friggin religion is shot through with mosers, self-haters, kapos and Jews who have Christmas trees. There’s no loyalty, no good olde tribal unity!
      Why, I can remember the days when almost every Jewish person wanted to be looked on as an accessory to Zionist murder, or would be proud to give material aid to terrorism or illegal colonization in Palestine.
      But in the last ten years, insidious improvements in Christmas lighting have sapped the American Jewish essence and spirit.

      But I agree with you, “Frankmiller195”, if Israel wants to jump off a fascist cliff, it’s our job, our duty, our delight, to jump along with ’em.

      You first.

    • RoHa
      December 17, 2015, 5:36 pm

      Why Jewish groups?

      If the Israelis are doing the right thing, all decent people, Jewish or not, should support them. If what they are doing is wrong, no-one, Jewish or not, should support them.

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