Huffpo writer expresses bigotry against Palestinians by equating battle for equal rights and anti-Semitism

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Jennifer Sabin has an article at Huffington Post titled, “The Ugly Reality of American Anti-Semitism.” A lot of what she talks about unquestionably is anti-semitism and deserves condemnation, notably a range of attacks on Jewish journalists in recent weeks for being Jewish. But as usual with this sort of confused liberal commentary, Sabin brings in Palestinian solidarity, and says that Palestinians only have those rights which do not conflict with the “right” that Israeli Jews had to steal most of their land.

You see this in the paragraphs about pro-Palestinian activism, where she talks about support for Palestinians’ supposed right to “control” all of the territory, thereby exposing her own unconscious bigotry.

It’s not just Oberlin, but schools like UC Berkeley and UC Irvine, Northwestern, University of Michigan and some of the Ivy League schools, among others, where students are reporting an uptick in threats, intimidation, and distribution of anti-Semitic literature. Much of it is an outgrowth of the movements BDS, which calls for Boycotts, Divestment and Sanctions against Israel, and Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP).

It is one thing for students and professors to question and debate and disagree with Israeli politics, Israeli settlements and the level of Israel’s responses to Palestinian attacks – and in fact some of the BDS and SJP protestors are Jewish students. But too often, those students and professors are not talking about a two-state solution, but rather the right of Palestinians to control all of Israel. And once people say Israel has no right to exist, or when they conflate the politics of Israel with all Jewish people, when they shout “Nazi” and “fascist” at students who support Israel, when they downplay the horrors of the Holocaust, or purport that all Jews are white and privileged and therefore unentitled to claim their oppressive history or even the current anti-Semitism, then they have entered another realm – the realm of pure, unadulterated bigotry…

“The right of Palestinians to control all of Israel” has never been part of Palestinian solidarity. Sabin can’t imagine someone advocating for equal rights for Palestinians unless it is really about hatred for Jews. It never crosses her mind how dehumanizing this is towards Palestinians. Their whole struggle for equal rights is equated with anti-Semitism. She expresses the same bigotry with this statement:

When a Palestinian or Iranian spews hatred for Jewish people, it’s de rigueur. But to hear it, and read it coming from Americans in 2016 is another thing.

And as for Nazis, she fails to note that it is an Israeli military leader who has lately compared Israel to Nazi Germany.

It’s not enough to explain that BDS isn’t antisemitic. It actually reinforces the idea that it is antisemitic when people patiently explain why it isn’t, as though the accusation is reasonable. We think BDS advocates have to turn things around and point out constantly, repeatedly, that articles like this are actually bigoted against Palestinians.

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  1. Pixel
    June 2, 2016, 2:40 pm

    Interestingly, Beinart invokes WW2 facism throughout his latest piece, Who Cares That Ivanka Trump Is Jewish?, and uses the words Hitler, Gestapo, and Nazi all in one sentence.

    Hitler instructed the Gestapo to protect him [Eduard Bloch] even as Nazi forces…

    • YoniFalic
      June 2, 2016, 6:13 pm

      Just a slightly off-topic comment. Unless Ivanka’s husband made a very large contribution to Israeli religious parties, Ivanka probably would not be considered Jewish in Israel.

  2. eljay
    June 2, 2016, 2:42 pm

    … And once people … conflate the politics of Israel with all Jewish people … then they have entered another realm – the realm of pure, unadulterated bigotry…

    Yup, Zio-supremacists – who routinely conflate Israel with all Jews and all Jews with Israel – are pure, unadulterated bigots.

    • oldgeezer
      June 3, 2016, 10:30 am

      Well said. Netanyahu being the bigot in chief.

    • Mooser
      June 3, 2016, 5:19 pm

      “… And once people … conflate the politics of Israel with all Jewish people … then they have entered another realm – the realm of pure, unadulterated bigotry…”

      Quick, somebody run tell Rabbi Mirvis.

  3. Annie Robbins
    June 2, 2016, 3:33 pm

    re “spews hatred for Jewish people”

    i found it interesting how sabin segued the racist trump supporters responding to Weisman on twitter (that was really gross) in with pro palestine activism on campuses and then claiming the far right and far left had something in common, that’s flat out false equivalence. whether she followed instruction straight from the hasbara handbook or did it as a matter of instinct is immaterial, the fact that she did it to serve her point is reason enough to question her motives or logic because either or both are flawed.

    and no indication she’s unnerved by the idea of jews “controlling all of israel” which is the obvious goal of zionism. does she even think that is extreme? or is it just the mere thought of palestinians controlling their homeland that is so abhorrent.

    • Tchoupitoulas
      June 2, 2016, 4:28 pm

      Ya know, Annie, when I read Weisman’s piece and looked at his Twitter feed, the first thing that popped into my head was that Common Dreams article about “Ham-Bacon-Eggs,” the Jewish guy who created a whole roster of anti-Semitic alter egos to troll people with online. With the anonymity the Internet confers, there’s just no way to know the real identity of commenters. Isn’t it just possible that some of those people trolling Weisman as anti-Semites might actually be a division of the Hasbara brigade? Look at all the material they gave him to work with! If those are real anti-Semites, they seem like pretty stupid ones to me.

      People create false identities to further political agendas online all the time. It might even be happening here! Perhaps there is a commenter/commenters, posing as a left-leaning Person Of Color, who goes on and on, ad nauseum, in these threads, about white colonialist crimes, with the sole intention of making Israel’s crimes seem smaller by comparison or at least more acceptable..

      Think about it. Anyway, if I was a writer at the NYT, I’d think, once, twice, three times before I’d write a piece like Weisman’s, giving trolls like that so much attention.

      Common Dreams link here:

      http://www.commondreams.org/hambaconeggs

      • Annie Robbins
        June 3, 2016, 1:11 pm

        yes of course i thought of that possibility Tchoupitoulas and think of the likelihood of false flags everytime i see anonymous racist tweets of this nature. i wrote about common dreams trapping that troll >>> http://mondoweiss.net/2014/08/hasbara-spewing-semitism/

        needless to say i was very disappointed CD did not disclose the real identity of this person with literally dozens of these extremists personas.

    • pjdude
      June 2, 2016, 4:54 pm

      I took issue with the the fact Sabin thinks its appropriate for a 20 something jewish college kid to use the holocaust as a claim they have been oppressed as troubling. people who didn’t live through it shouldn’t be allowed to act as if they did. it mocks the experiences of the people who actually did.

      • MHughes976
        June 3, 2016, 1:01 pm

        It rather looks, on Sabin’s showing, that it is only limited subsets of white people, especially those who are Jewish, who have a riposte to the claim that ‘you don’t understand because your culture has never been oppressed”. This is a substantial concession to the critics of whiteness and the riposte may not protect Jewish people too well, since even despite the dire events of WW2 they share the culture of non-Jewish white people quite extensively. Moreover those events, dire and shocking as they were, were as an effort of cultural oppression in many ways a shattering and counterproductive failure, leading to an immense and understsndable surge of respect and admiration for everything Jewish.
        Sabin manages, I think, to be unfair even to Trump. I’d believe many bad things of him but he isn’t a Nazi. The Stormtroopers are a pathetic micro-minority and it is perfectly reasonable to respond by ignoring them and then ignoring them some more.

  4. yonah fredman
    June 2, 2016, 8:43 pm

    Sabin includes among the Jew hating speech “when they shout “Nazi” and “fascist” at students who support Israel” – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2016/06/expresses-palestinians-semitism/#comment-167568. and phil and donald feel they must comment: “And as for Nazis, she fails to note that it is an Israeli military leader who has lately compared Israel to Nazi Germany.”

    Analogies drawn for purposes of understanding or controversial admonition of dangers to a specific society and specific tendencies, as General Golan did, is entirely different from shouting “nazi” at Zionists. Of course to the choir here at MW comments, the epithet of Nazi is so commonplace that it is just another day at the office, but in fact, shouting “Nazis” at Jews are “fighting words”, and disclose a low level of civility and a provocation. (It might not be antisemitism, but I challenge you to find a Jew who is not an antizionist who does not feel the “fighting words” aspect of calling Jews Nazis.)

    • Annie Robbins
      June 2, 2016, 10:09 pm

      shouting “Nazis” at Jews are “fighting words”, and disclose a low level of civility and a provocation.

      i agree. but i also think there’s a big difference between conversations referencing israel/nazi vs shouting nazi at jews. one is commonplace, the other is not. so it’s a false equivalence referencing them as occurring in equal measure. whereas, screaming “death to arabs” is very commonplace in israel and there are many videos of it.

      when you write “the jew hating speech” — do you happen to have any videos of students shouting “fascist” and “nazi” at jewish students. one assumes it’s at least common enough to have captured on video a few times. or do you think sabin was merely hypothesizing when she says “when they shout “Nazi” and “fascist” at students”. who’s they? any names? any record of someone being disciplined for this at an american college? or is this just based on allegations about anonymous students? did it happen once, twice or dozens of times? the frequency is clearly worthy of an article — or is it? where are the shouts and screams of this so called “jew hating speech”?

      • yonah fredman
        June 3, 2016, 12:41 pm

        Annie robbins- if you have problems with sabin’s assertions of what is shouted at rallies you should contact her. And if Phil and Don have problems with the veracity of her assertions, they should say so. But they don’t. they raise a different (and as i was trying to show and you agreed to:) irrelevant point.

        I have not attended competing Zionist and antizionist rallies in years and do not spend my time researching the verbal misbehavior of antizionists in this year of your Lord 2016. Back in the day the Israeli flag=swastika was a common motif at anti israel rallies.

        ” Hitler and sharon are the same, the only difference is the name” was a common chant. This type of rhetoric is not identical to the assertions by Ms sabin, but embody the same spirit of provocation.

      • Annie Robbins
        June 3, 2016, 1:04 pm

        if you have problems with sabin’s assertions of what is shouted at rallies you should contact her.

        but it was you who claimed “the Jew hating speech” — “disclose a low level of civility and a provocation”, so i have a problem with you taking this allegation at face value (no evidence to support students today on american campuses are “shouting” any of this stuff), repeating it, and making more allegations regarding what this allegedly “disclose[s]”. if you’re going to claim something is disclosed you’ve a responsibility, at a minimum, of backing it up.

        plus, if what JTTG (scroll down) is true (i didn’t check her mentions personally) it makes her a fake and a liar. so i have problems with your assertions of what is shouted at rallies and i have contacted you. i’m holding you responsible for your allegations. nothing has been “disclosed” here except certain people’s penchants for making allegations sans an iota of evidence.

      • Donald
        June 3, 2016, 3:45 pm

        The problem with her piece is that she is mixing up different things ranging from clear cut examples of antisemitism on the one hand and support for a 1ss on the other. In the latter case she is revealing her own unconscious bigotry. In- between you have college students allegedly being crude and uncivil, which is wrong, but without more detail I don’t know if it is antisemitism. It’s not unusual for college activists to use overheated rhetoric on all sorts of issues– a friend of mine was telling me just the other day what some student speakers said about their own college president during a graduation ceremony and it wasn’t pretty. ( In that case the administration was allegedly sexist and racist). And if the people being yelled at actually defend Israeli policies then it’s not that overheated, though personally I wish people on both sides would stop using Nazi references.

      • Mooser
        June 3, 2016, 5:29 pm

        “I have not attended competing Zionist and antizionist rallies in years “

        Clever, charming fellow, that “Yonah”. Actually, I think the only thing “Yonah Fredman” ever got out of those rallies was being remanded to treatment.

      • lysias
        June 3, 2016, 6:01 pm

        “Death to Arabs!” = “Juda verreck’!'”.

    • WH
      June 3, 2016, 1:53 am

      Actually, there have been many cases of Israeli Jews calling pro-Palestinian Jews Nazis, Holocaust deniers or even, in one of the anti-immigrant rallies in Tel Aviv, ‘worse than Hitler’. The Gaza settlers evacuated in 2005 used Holocaust references to convey their supposed victimhood. And a recent Jewish protest in an American synagogue caught on video (and posted on this site) shows a young man being called ‘Hitler’ by older Jews simply for saying he defends human rights for Palestinians. So people are rather selective about how these words are used.

      • Annie Robbins
        June 3, 2016, 10:52 am

        WH, so that would be “no”, no video evidence of students on american campuses shouting fascist or nazi or “jew hating speech”. and not a peep from yonah. hmm.

      • Mooser
        June 3, 2016, 3:59 pm

        “so that would be “no”, no video evidence of students on american campuses”

        What about the, the ahh, ummm, well, the ‘social consequences’?
        Let’s just say a person knows which fraternities, parties, dates, IPOs and student-run-tech-companies they get invited to.
        They might know even better the ones to which they didn’t.
        To put it with a brutal bluntness I usually take the utmost pains to avoid: What happens when Zionism isn’t cool any more?

    • Bumblebye
      June 3, 2016, 6:51 am

      Yonah, over the years you’ve been fòllowing MW you must remember the videos that have shown pro-Israel demonstrators yelling Nazi, Kapo, etc at pro-Palestinian activists. That phenomenon certainly exists.
      The other way round? Not so much. If it did, it’d be posted everywhere to provoke shame.

    • eljay
      June 3, 2016, 9:01 am

      || yonah fredman: … shouting “Nazis” at Jews are “fighting words”, and disclose a low level of civility and a provocation. … ||

      The serial rapist rapes, his supporters staunchly defend him and justify his actions, and protesters insult them. And what troubles you is…
      – not the unjust and immoral actions of the rapist; and
      – not the staunch support of his defenders; but
      – the harsh words of the protesters who demand justice.

      Interesting.

    • Mooser
      June 3, 2016, 3:24 pm

      “Jew hating speech…fighting words”

      You know, “Yonah” I just word-searched (oh, just a hunch) your archive for the words “Christian” and “cross%”.
      You do have some experience with “fighting words”!

  5. JTTG
    June 3, 2016, 2:24 am

    In the article, Ms. Sabin claims that she endured a number of anti-semitic tweets, but unfortunately these tweets are no longer available because she “made a rookie mistake” and blocked the users, thus deleting the tweets. The problem: blocking an account does NOT delete that person’s mentions of you. We were thus able to go through all of her mentions, and discovered that these tweets simply did not exist. We wrote to Huffington Post about her spurious “evidence,” but they have not responded.

  6. Joe Catron
    June 3, 2016, 3:00 am

    “‘The right of Palestinians to control all of Israel’ has never been part of Palestinian solidarity.”

    Well, excuse me, gentlemen, but it has been and is part of mine.

    If anyone reading this ever finds themselves at a loss as to what they should engrave on my tombstone, “Palestine for the Palestinians” will do nicely.

    • echinococcus
      June 3, 2016, 7:50 am

      Whoever wrote

      “The right of Palestinians to control all of Israel” has never been part of Palestinian solidarity

      is confusing solidarity and a knife in the back.

    • Donald
      June 3, 2016, 4:17 pm

      Phil and I both signed the piece.

      The three demands of the BDS movement are for an end to the occupation, equal rights for Palestinians and the right of return. That doesn’t sound like some zero sum solution where one side wins and one side loses. Zionists hear a demand for equality as a demand for their subordination and/or expulsion. I don’t think it is helpful to say this is correct, because it isn’t.

      • Annie Robbins
        June 3, 2016, 6:03 pm

        i think the wording may have been a tad off donald. “palestinian solidarity” encompasses a wide spectrum of global society not limited to bds demands. plus, the word “never” is a word i rarely use. it may have been more effective, since sabin’s target was the bds movement, to have written “The right of Palestinians to control all of Israel” has never been one of the demands of the bds movement. for certainly there are people who believe palestinians, and only palestinians, should rule palestine. speaking in general, i am not a fan of the notion that foreign colonialists should be afforded the right to rule over indigenous people.

      • echinococcus
        June 4, 2016, 1:26 am

        Donald and Phil,

        Annie’s answer is excellent.

        Let me add that the official “BDS Movement” is a subfraction of some subgroup: most people who boycott Zionist entity products and relationships just boycott as much as they can of it, without set endpoints. Without much regard for the ridiculous, often plain impossible restrictions to post-67 area products, as set by the official movement. As just explained by the head of Zionist PR Luntz, 39% of his student sample wants all “Israeli” land given back to Palestinians. And that’s a quickly growing fraction.

        Then the other point in what you write, which is… crazy: “Zionists hear a demand for equality as a demand for their subordination and/or expulsion”. Of course they do, they will hear it that way in any case. Of course equality is the negation and destruction of Zionism. Duh. Are you trying to get them to agree to abandon Zionism by talking human rights?

      • silamcuz
        June 4, 2016, 2:07 am

        Donald,

        “Zionists hear a demand for equality as a demand for their subordination and/or expulsion. I don’t think it is helpful to say this is correct, because it isn’t. “

        Zionists deliberately conflate a demand for justice as some sort of threat to their well-being. Ignore them.

      • MHughes976
        June 4, 2016, 9:03 am

        Equal rights are not good for Zionists, whose basic purpose they frustrate, but are not bad for Jews, whose subordination they rule out.

      • Sibiriak
        June 4, 2016, 11:18 am

        echinococcus: …often plain impossible restrictions to post-67 area products, as set by the official movement.
        —————-

        Where do you find such “post-67 area” restrictions set by the official BDS movement? Link? Thanks.

      • Annie Robbins
        June 4, 2016, 11:38 am

        i’m not aware of this restriction, wrt ’67 there’s this >> https://bdsmovement.net/bdsintro

        The campaign for boycotts, divestment and sanctions (BDS) is shaped by a rights-based approach and highlights the three broad sections of the Palestinian people: the refugees, those under military occupation in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, and Palestinians in Israel. The call urges various forms of boycott against Israel until it meets its obligations under international law by:

        1.Ending its occupation and colonization of all Arab lands occupied in June 1967 and dismantling the Wall;
        2.Recognizing the fundamental rights of the Arab-Palestinian citizens of Israel to full equality; and
        3.Respecting, protecting and promoting the rights of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes and properties as stipulated in UN Resolution 194.

  7. MHughes976
    June 3, 2016, 4:53 am

    I might prefer a more conventional epitaph but otherwise I share Joe’s sentiments,
    Ms. Sabin’s article is all upside-down and twisted. The Palestinians have suffered and are suffering outrageous and lethal wrong. This stands to reason and common sense: it takes no prejudice to say so. Being true and very important it should be affirmed at a central point of any discussion of the topic. Any other approach does require prejudice, clearly a form of prejudice relating to race. There’s the racism for you.

  8. Talkback
    June 3, 2016, 5:39 am

    “Sabin can’t imagine someone advocating for equal rights for Palestinians unless it is really about hatred for Jews.”

    It’s just another display of supremacism and the pathological narcissism that comes with it.

  9. oldgeezer
    June 3, 2016, 10:34 am

    It has always been about bigotry. The supremacy of Jewish rights to the land, rights to exist, etx, over those who inhabit the land.

    If Israel would ever seriously and fairly negotiate an agreement with the Palestinians (and actually implement it as well) then it would wind up with some legitimacy but until then… fugget about it. Racists and bigots to the core.

    And conflating Israel with Jews does no one any favours. Zionists are equal to antisemites in doing so.

  10. just
    June 3, 2016, 1:25 pm

    Don’t really know why Sabin chose to write this article replete with so much hyperbole with allegations as fact and without sources. She conflates Trump and his supporters with students and anonymous internet commenters along with published media.

    I guess she sat down and decided to pick and choose from the vast array of dishes offered at the buffet de hasbara while only occasionally sprinkling a few grains of truth to spice things up.

    Her headline is certainly explosive and will garner many hits. The ADL et al must be very grateful to her. Google AS/news and it comes up #4 for me.

  11. Kay24
    June 3, 2016, 1:26 pm

    Meanwhile Netanyahu AGAIN rejects peace talks, this time the one their new best buddy has suggested:

    Saudi Foreign Minister Rejects Netanyahu’s Demand to ‘Update’ Arab Peace Initiative

    “PARIS – Saudi Arabia’s Foreign Minister Adel al-Jubeir rejected Friday Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s demand that the 2002 Arab Peace Initiative be “updated” due to the changes that have occurred in the Middle East over the past several years. 
    Responding to Haaretz’s question at a press conference held after the peace summit in Paris, al-Jubeir said: “Why should we change the Arab Peace Initiative?I believe that the argument the Arab Peace Initiative needs to be watered down in order to accommodate the Israelis is not the right approach.”

    Al-Jubeir noted that the Arab Peace Initiative was never taken off the table and that it has been approved by Arab nations several times since its creation in 2002.
    read more: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.722988

    • oldgeezer
      June 3, 2016, 2:15 pm

      I wonder if anyone knows what prevents Israel from making a response (other than no) to the arab peace initiative with a counter offer?

      Or indeed what ties Israel hands and stops them from making their own peace proposal? Has anyone ever seen a formal written Israeli proposal? It has been suggested that Israel dodn’t make any written proposal during the last couple of rounds of negotiations.

      Israel doesn’t want peace. It wants territorial acquisition. Or as yallon happily tweeted…. the threat of peace is off the table.

      • Mooser
        June 3, 2016, 2:38 pm

        “I wonder if anyone knows what prevents Israel from making a response (other than no) to the arab peace initiative with a counter offer?”

        See an old Rudyard Kipling story; “The Man Who Would Be King” and find out what happened when the hero got a scratch.

      • Kay24
        June 3, 2016, 4:37 pm

        You and I know that very well. It seems it is nothing but a game for the Israelis, and a waste of time for the US, France and now Saudi Arabia. A good example would be Israel (known for their greed) turned down an offer of jet fighters by the US just to get their reluctant behinds to a peace table. It shows that nothing will make them agree to any peace talks, and will make all the damn excuses they can so that they don’t. The blame will always fall on the Palestinians.

        They want the status quo which will eventually lead to the annexation of the West Bank and the taking over of Jerusalem, leaving all Palestinians crowded in the remaining territories.
        Something tells me the US, EU and other nations know this, but pretend otherwise.

      • MHughes976
        June 3, 2016, 4:58 pm

        I can’t claim to know but the only logical explanation seems to me that they and the world are not quite ready for the real, rather demonic, plan, which is to move the great majority of thr Palestinians out with what will be called compensation – ‘pay them to leave’ – with a cosmetic minority retained to prove that Israel is not Nazi. The Trump or Clinton presidencies might in their different ways provide the moment for the big idea to emerge into the light of day.

  12. Atlantaiconoclast
    June 3, 2016, 3:19 pm

    If anything, most Trump supporters are overly philo-Jewish. If you ever visit the rabidly pro-Trump site, theconservativetreehouse.com and read the comments, you will much more frequently encounter pro Israel posters and anti Muslim haters than you will anti Israel posters and never will you see someone call out all Jews. I am one of the few there who occasionally posts anti Zionist comments or comments which attempt to tell the truth about Israel’s (and its neocon supporters) influence on our foreign policy. Many there are aware of the neocon problem, but rarely does someone connect them to “the Jews.”

  13. Atlantaiconoclast
    June 3, 2016, 3:24 pm

    “It’s not enough to explain that BDS isn’t antisemitic. It actually reinforces the idea that it is antisemitic when people patiently explain why it isn’t, as though the accusation is reasonable. We think BDS advocates have to turn things around and point out constantly, repeatedly, that articles like this are actually bigoted against Palestinians. – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2016/06/expresses-palestinians-semitism/#comment-841863

    Amen and amen!!!!!!!!!!!! I have been making this argument here for a long time. It is way past time to turn the tables on these supremacists and call out THEIR bigotry toward non Jews, especially Palestinians.

    • MHughes976
      June 4, 2016, 12:37 pm

      What strikes me, Atlanta, is the moral inversion in Sabin’s remarks, making it seem as if the injustice to the Palestinians were not the overriding scandal. I think that this reflects serious prejudice. Another awful thing is that the vast majority of readers will scarcely notice the problem. I agree with you about the dangers of defensive rhetoric – not only does it make cheap accusations seem as if they might be reasonable but it suggests that the accuser has some right to sit in judgement.

  14. yonah fredman
    June 5, 2016, 4:50 pm

    Is advocacy of one state anti Jewish? I agree with Phil and Donald, that it is not. But that only means that the philosophy itself is not anti Jewish. But the philosophy must also be judged by the net effect, the consequences of its implementation. Since it does not exist we can only judge it based on: 1. previous experience, 2. parallel experience and 3. rhetoric.
    Previous experience- there has never been a democratic regime in palestine, so that is the realm of the unknown. The experience after 1917 was a unique period of immigration and colonial sponsorship, so the conflict between then and 1947 is considered kosher for the anti Jewish sentiment is considered natural. The experience during the pre Zionist period, when the Jewish community was small and not economically viable (dependent on charity from abroad), is also poor evidence regarding what this democratic one state would look like.
    2. Parallel experience- How are nonmuslim minorities treated in nearby countries? Here there are very few positive indicators. Sectarian warfare is so prevalent in Iraq and Syria, that dictatorship of sadam hussein and the assad family is considered a nostalgic past, oh those were the good old days. Lebanese militias, as in more than one army, may have historic causes that embarrass israel, but nonetheless do not bode well for this peaceful democracy the one state vision truly portends.
    3. Rhetoric- leaders of the bds movement predict that some jews will leave because those jews are only present because of the preference shown to jews in the current Zionist regime. You may view this prediction with warmth or scientific detachment, but I do not. under the best case scenario, the one state regime these leaders envision, the economic stress caused by the inclusion of Gaza and the west bank within the economic unit which is now relatively successful and prosperous and set it on a perilous course. Added to this the repatriation of refugees, and the economic troubles are staring us in the face. And that’s best case scenario. The militia vs militia recent history of lebanon, gives us an inkling of what a worst case scenario would look like.
    Thus the promise of this peaceful democracy rings hollow to most who give it a bit of thought. If it is catastrophe that you are promising, then purely speaking it is not a jew hating catastrophe, but just generic catastrophe. But it is still a promise of catastrophe and you can blame people for labeling it as hateful, but it is in fact reckless.

    • Mooser
      June 5, 2016, 9:11 pm

      Shorter “Yonah”:
      ‘I can’t back up the charges I made above, so I skip down-thread and babble like a Bedlamite.’

      • yonah fredman
        June 6, 2016, 12:20 am

        If you or Annie feel I need to look deeper into Jennifer sabin’s accusations, then really Phil and Donald are to blame. They quoted sabin without any dispute, accepting her words casting nary a shadow on their veracity. I didn’t question Phil and Donald and therefore I cannot comment on another issue due to the security guard.

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