Israel lobby panics about ‘spoiled’ next generation of American leaders turning against it

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Last week the New York Times reported a shocking statement from the former University of California chancellor on the importance of stopping the Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions movement (BDS) on campus because it threatens to poison the next generation of American leaders against the special relationship between the United States and Israel.

Linda K. Wertheimer reported:

[I]n December, Mark G. Yudof, former president of the University of California system, helped create the Academic Engagement Network. The group has some 275 members, mostly faculty, on about 110 campuses working in opposition to the B.D.S. movement. “I don’t want to see B.D.S. become stronger because, 20 years from now, these students will be judges, heads of Congress,” Mr. Yudof told me. “We have to respond now to maintain the historical relationship with Israel.”

Yudof is not alone in being panicked about the effect of college politics on the future of the Israel lobby.

Last December, the leading US Jewish journalist Jeffrey Goldberg and the Israeli politician Yitzhak Herzog expressed the same concern, specifically about young Jews, in a conversation at the Saban Forum.

Goldberg noted that Jewish Voice for Peace, which supports BDS, is the fastest-growing organization on his daughter’s college campus in the northeast, then went on:

This is not speculation on my part, that things are shifting radically not only in non Jewish America but in Jewish America as it concerns Israel and its reputation… What are you going to do about it?… The reality among liberal American Jews and liberal Americas is that they are turning, slowly sometimes, not so slowly other times, against Israel….

Goldberg then expressed his own contempt for those young Jewish Americans:

A lot of very mainstream Israelis ask, Why should we risk our lives by taking positions that could in fact hurt us physically, so that a group of spoiled children at Harvard and Yale and UCLA feel better about the Jewish state? The Jewish state was not created so that 18 year olds at Berkeley feel good.

Herzog responded that BDS is the latest manifestation of the “onslaught against Zionism for generations;” but he said that he is worried about it, for the same reason Yudof is:

The problem that you’ve mentioned is the growing disparity between the Jewish community in the United States, and the next generation who are going to take the leadership, who are going to be government officials, who are going to be opinion makers, who might be the next Mark Zuckerbergs’– and Israel.

And that’s definitely a strategic risk because part of our national strength was derived from the  fact that the Jewish diaspora especially in the United States was extremely close to us, extremely supportive, and had major influence on the American policy overall. And what we will see in the next generation  is if we hear and listen from our young generations– is Israel hate. Without understanding the case, without having a clue… about the vibrant, aggressive, impressive democracy that we have got.

Both these items (from last week and last December) underscore a profound truth that the Israel lobby has been denying for ten years: the power of the Israel lobby in U.S. politics. That’s what Yudof is afraid is being undermined; and Herzog is even more straightforward about it: It’s Jewish power, the “major influence on the American policy” exerted by older American Jews.

This is no casual matter; the loss of the lobby is a “strategic risk,” Herzog said; and this is precisely why Jeffrey Goldberg and Alan Dershowitz and Dennis Ross and Aaron David Miller and Richard Haass and others vehemently denied the allegations in the paper and book The Israel Lobby, published 9 and 10 years ago, because identifying this power openly was a threat to it.  To “Jewish enfranchisement,” as Goldberg stated on the stage of the Center for Jewish History.

Now ten years on, the Israel lobbyists face a greater threat than academic critics of the Israel lobby: young Americans, who are awaking to Palestinian conditions on college campuses, thanks to the efforts of Students for Justice in Palestine, Jewish Voice for Peace, and Black Lives Matter. And, pace Herzog, young Jewish Americans, the very Jews who are supposed to compose the leadership of the lobby– they’re deciding that Zionism with its inherent ethnic discrimination is not an ideology worth living for, yet alone dying for.

I would only comment that Yudof, Goldberg and Herzog are the real threats to the Jewish future. They would happily swap out any real intellectual and moral engagement with the world on the part of their children for an attachment to Israel. They have thereby destroyed the vaunted Jewish mind, which produced so many wonderful achievements in the west over the last 100 years, and given us Jewish automatons.

Thankfully, many young Jews are thinking for themselves, and their dependence in doing so on Palestinians and non-Jewish groups will forever change the definition of the liberal American Jewish community. And not a moment too soon.

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  1. Annie Robbins
    August 6, 2016, 12:15 pm

    the Academic Engagement Network. The group has some 275 members, mostly faculty, on about 110 campuses working in opposition to the B.D.S. movement.

    if you’ld like to get a feel for this group, here’s a batch of photos from AEN’s first national conference https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.648407428655617.1073741829.544545545708473&type=3

    it was their FB page that i first encountered the swastika switched out for the olive branch on SJP’s divestment poster. also, the push back from alumni is organized by this group. yeah, they are nervous.

  2. Krauss
    August 6, 2016, 4:31 pm

    Part of the problem for the Israel lobby is that it has always been a top-down movement, just like the neocons in the GOP.

    It was never rooted in the grassroots. The only mass movement of people who loved Israel were evangelical Christians, who are held with contempt by the vast majority of leaders in the lobby, as they came from urban backgrounds and consider themselves “liberals”(lmao).

    Witness the support Bernie got among the young and educated liberals vs Clinton. She is the last stand of the lobby and they are right to be worried. They will get these last 8 years of a puppet president, but after her, le Deluge.

    The Bernie voters were never divided on Israel, they were fully supportive of Palestine. Dean voters became the Obama voters. The Bernie voters will have 8 years, not 4 years, but that will make it even more impactful once the next (real) election takes place, which is the democratic primary in 2024, as the GOP is terminally eliminated via demographics.

    • echinococcus
      August 6, 2016, 5:14 pm

      Krauss,

      As Zionist lobby of course it’s not a grassroots movement, but I am getting mildly confused when reading “The only mass movement of people who loved Israel were evangelical Christians” or a comparison to the Sanderites.
      Because there is no deeper grassroots than the Zionist’s capillary organization –as much of a close-minded, hypernationalist mobilization as any football hooligan supporters.
      Care to explain what exactly is “top-down”, here?

      Also, as you say Dean voters became Obama voters then Sanders voters. And before that they were Jackson and Kucinich voters, and so on going back a good while. With that kind of a pedigree and in the absence of new data, all anyone can expect the liberals to do at the next election cycle is to fall in line yet again. Also re Palestine: there may be a good trend in the offing, but the wind blows from elsewhere than the liberals.

    • mcohen.
      August 6, 2016, 6:18 pm

      krauss quite right

      that is why a republican president will be the better choice for israel and the jewish diaspora in 2016.
      never wait to change your fate.

  3. inbound39
    August 6, 2016, 4:31 pm

    how shortsighted and closed minded are these Zionist excuses for people. The youth of today are NOT turning against Israel because they are “spoilt”. They are turning against Israel because of Israel’s criminality,aggression,arrogance and total ignorance of Palestinians basic human rights. They do not support zionist supremacists. Nor do many other people in general society regardless of age support the criminal state of Israel. The special relationship benefits Israel only….no-one else and if Israel wants to behave as it is in an ever worsening manner than it can expect to lose a lot more support. And I for one consider it long overdue.

  4. CitizenC
    August 6, 2016, 4:59 pm

    I would only comment that Yudof, Goldberg and Herzog are the real threats to the Jewish future.

    Their past was an attack on all of us, not simply on “the Jews”, and their future threatens us all

    • Citizen
      August 6, 2016, 8:42 pm

      Yes, when a small group has the control over the world’s only superpower’s foreign military policy and foreign aid policy & economic sanctions policy, I’d say that small group’s future threatens us all. What will wake the sleeping giant? BDS. Alternatively, if BDS activity is crushed by this same small group of people, the sleeping giant will go into a coma, never to revive its robust health. The stakes are very, very high, for the 2% of Jewish Americans, and for the 98% rest of US.

      • Annie Robbins
        August 6, 2016, 9:31 pm

        even higher for palestinians

  5. traintosiberia
    August 6, 2016, 6:56 pm

    ” 20 years from now, these students will be judges, heads of Congress,” Mr. Yudof told me. “We have to respond now to maintain the historical relationship with Israel.” –

    If he can he would stop the time . Science moves forward So political historical and social science . Future generations should remain free how to judge ,evaluate,and get a grasp of today’s realities just like American and European have been judging evaluating ,and grasping the meaning and importance of the colonization, slavery, empire building ,Cold war, CIA’s unholy activities , Gulf War 1 and 2 and the arrival of the terrorism . How the academy will react if today someone from the Dean’s office circulate a warning of not deviating from the official narratives of Bush jr’s take on Saddam WMD ? How should one react if the Southern Baptist confront the academics over their refusal to support Intelligent Design, creation of the world in 6 days and 6 seconds on a 6000 yrs old watch ? Those beliefs do tie certain section of people all across the globe to certain bond , history , culture and tie them together in a universal relationship.

  6. traintosiberia
    August 6, 2016, 7:08 pm

    “Now ten years on, the Israel lobbyists face a greater threat than academic critics of the Israel lobby: young Americans, who are awaking to Palestinian conditions on college campuses, thanks to the efforts of – ”
    The more America gets entangled , in senseless ruthless unholy wars , more the lobby’s existence becomes a problem . It is the by -product not the intended goal and unfortunately it is single handed created by the lobby . Effects of war on money job future and on White Europe are riling up a lot of people To them Israel can be a religious fulfillment but an entity which has has lost its all significance under the the direct assault of the changing hard pressing reality . The wolves may scream and goad Americans to die more for wars in ME and make promises of great future , and try to re-instill the virtue of sacrifice . But no one is buying the snake oil from the snake charmer despite the new flute

  7. Bumblebye
    August 6, 2016, 7:19 pm

    Is there an element of panic that the new generation of Jewish billionaires have less commitment to Israel than the current (but soon to start passing) ancien regime? Zuckerberg and the google guys don’t seem to be declaring the love every five minutes, or committing their billions to the greater good of Greater Israel in anything like the same amounts, whether directly or through the US election circus.

  8. Mooser
    August 6, 2016, 8:21 pm

    Well, I guess we will see if Goldberg wants to turn this into a battle of wills.

  9. ckg
    August 6, 2016, 9:00 pm

    Not only for scientific progress, but Max Planck’s insight on QM also applies to progress on human rights: “A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it.”

  10. Dan
    August 6, 2016, 9:41 pm

    “vaunted Jewish mind”

    Phil Weiss can get quite chauvinistic at times. Something to remember next time he
    criticizes the same in others.

    • Marco
      August 7, 2016, 12:37 pm

      “vaunted European mind”, “vaunted white mind”, “vaunted Anglo-Saxon mind”, etc.

      You’ll find similar sentiments in the yellowed pages of racialist tracts from a century ago, in books like Madison Grant’s “The Passing of the Great Race” (1916).

      If even progressive anti-Zionists harbor such attitudes, then we may have to conclude that the Jewish people are generations behind their gentile white peers in confronting their own racial chauvinism.

      • Mooser
        August 7, 2016, 6:32 pm

        Seems pretty simple to me. Phil said the Jewish mind was vaunted. He never says he’s a vaunter, or vaunts those who do vaunt.

        Even some Polish people are chauvinists, you know. Their team is Pole vaunting at the Olympics right now!

      • Dan
        August 14, 2016, 11:15 am

        “Seems pretty simple to me”

        So PW wrote it because he disagrees with it? Ok we’ll go with that.

    • Mooser
      August 7, 2016, 1:03 pm

      “Phil Weiss can get quite chauvinistic at times.”

      “Dan” try drinking a bottle of Geritol and reading it again. I suspect you have irony-poor blood.

      • Dan
        August 8, 2016, 7:27 pm

        “Mooser’. I read the entire sentence again.

        What’s your point?

      • Mooser
        August 9, 2016, 12:12 pm

        “What’s your point?”

        Okay, okay “Pole vaunting” was a weak attempt at a pun. Sorry.

  11. Kay24
    August 6, 2016, 10:39 pm

    The last time the occupiers decided to “mow the lawn” in Gaza, the whole world watched it happen minute by minute, because due to social media, victims, and human rights activists, were tweeting and taking pictures as the carnage happened, and the world was shocked at the Israeli violence. No one could dispute the pictures of homes bombed into rubble, and the pictures of entire families being pulled out of that rubble, many of those were little children. The present young generation, and the next one, will have far more access to facts unlike the previous ones, so it is predictable that Israel will not control the propaganda, and continue to have naive people keep supporting it for long. They can panic all they like, but they cannot do much about that.

  12. mcohen.
    August 7, 2016, 3:40 am

    p.weiss writes

    “young americans on college campuses”

    5% of the population will do what?.

    what exactly did college campuses change in the sixties
    they say that all ended when the rolling stones played Altamont.

    that same generation started several wars in the last 15 years.now you are saying that this generation of college kids will turn against israel.
    suddenly all the worlds problems will be solved and and and ……we shall be redeemed.

  13. hophmi
    August 7, 2016, 4:46 am

    JVP may well be the fastest growing organization on campus that has “Jewish” in its name. Whether there’s anything Jewish about it is another question. It seems like basically a fig leaf for anti-Israel activists to say nasty things about Jews, which JVP Jews then validate, much like Jewish converts to Christianity validated Church antisemitism a few hundred years ago. There is literally nothing that JVP won’t validate. They couldn’t even bring themselves to issue criticism of Joy Karega, the Oberlin prof who posted antisemitic conspiracy theories about the Rothschilds on Facebook and blamed Israel for 9/11, and then refused to apology for it. They are the embodiment of the South Park joke about antisemitic Jews who support Haman. See the Jewbilee episode.

    Any rational analysis must conclude that JVP is ultimately inconsequential. Most Jews on campus join no organization. Most of those that do will join other organizations before they’ll join JVP. And in terms of growth and clout, young Orthodox Jews are far outpacing JVP Jews.

    • Mooser
      August 7, 2016, 1:58 pm

      “JVP may well be the fastest growing organization on campus that has “Jewish” in its name. Whether there’s anything Jewish about it is another question”

      So nue, so sue. C’mon, “Hophmi”, I’ve told you about this before. What happens when those (cough,cough) other people see that we are completely factionalized and sectarian to the point of denying other Jew’s are Jewish?
      They will take advantage of us, just you watch, if they see a single crack in Jewish Tribal Unity.

      Of course, I can see the advantages of making Judaism an exclusive religion, one of those which is strong and influential “precisely because of how small it is”
      Perhaps Judaism should be a religion entirely composed of leaders, like you, “Hophmi” (“precisely because of how small it is”) and dispose of ordinary followers.

    • echinococcus
      August 7, 2016, 3:52 pm

      Hophmi again

      “Whether there’s anything Jewish about it”
      Make up your mind already.

      It’s self-identified! No, it’s so strict we can’t rely on the father –have to see the mother and inspect the genitals and make sure it was this ID’d baby! No, we allow conversion! No, we don’t –just an exception for military rape blessed by the rabby! No, we do for Russians if they are blond enough! No, we accept Ethiopians! No we don’t, the Grand Rabby says we don’t! It’s not a religion! It is, too! No, we accept the secular religious! No, we excommunicate them! No, it’s branded from birth and you can’t quit! No, we only accept the Zionist! And so on and so forth…

      • Mooser
        August 7, 2016, 9:53 pm

        “Echin”, I wish I could find the video of the nudibranch which seemed to move by turning itself inside-out into a new space. “There it is!” I cried when I saw it on You-Tube.

      • echinococcus
        August 8, 2016, 1:44 am

        Mooser,

        Don’t know about the nudibranch, I’ll wait.
        Meanwhile, here is my favorite animal movie (as a worm myelf, I can only offer a worm movie; no comparisons intended; all characters fictitious and no responsibility accepted.)

    • Mooser
      August 7, 2016, 9:22 pm

      “It seems like basically a fig leaf for anti-Israel activists to say nasty things about Jews, which JVP Jews then validate, much like Jewish converts to Christianity validated Church antisemitism a few hundred years ago.”

      ” “Hophmi” this analysis is nothing new. It is typical of your writing, which suggests, as it always does, the “Hophmi” has internalized anti-Jewish hatred, and like those secularist Jews in Europe who looked down upon their brethren or converted to Christianity to escape their Judaism, “Hophmi” adopts the classic tropes of the self-hater. – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/profile/hophmi/?keyword=fall+away#sthash.WTmdNXX9.dpuf

    • echinococcus
      August 8, 2016, 12:10 am

      “There is literally nothing JVP won’t validate”
      Admit it, Hophmi: you’re having a sour grapes moment because you can’t get them to validate anything for you, npt even a half- hour of parking.

    • Misterioso
      August 8, 2016, 10:39 am

      hophmi

      You live in a fantasy world. Only a fool and/or a Zionist zealot fails to see that Israel is on a rapid downhill slide. One of the main reasons is that increasing numbers of young Jews around the world, including the U.S. , are abandoning Zionism and its spawn, Israel. They are embarrassed, mortified and sick and tired of being associated with a criminal entity known as the “Jewish state.” At the same time, more and more non-Jews everywhere, especially youth, are viewing Israel with disgust. It could only be thus.

      Henry Morgenthau Sr., renowned Jewish American and former U.S. Ambassador to Turkey, 1919: “Zionism is the most stupendous fallacy in Jewish history….The very fervour of my feeling for the oppressed of every race and every land, especially for the Jews, those of my own blood and faith, to whom I am bound by every tender tie, impels me to fight with all the greater force against this scheme, which my intelligence tells me can only lead them deeper into the mire of the past, while it professes to be leading them to the heights. Zionism is… a retrogression into the blackest error, and not progress toward the light.”

      Asked to sign a petition supporting settlement of Jews in Palestine, Sigmund Freud declined: “I cannot…I do not think that Palestine could ever become a Jewish state….It would have seemed more sensible to me to establish a Jewish homeland on a less historically-burdened land….I can raise no sympathy at all for the misdirected piety which transforms a piece of a Herodian wall into a national relic, thereby offending the feelings of the natives.” (Letter to Dr. Chaim Koffler Keren HaYassod, Vienna: 2/26/30)

    • Mr.T
      August 8, 2016, 11:10 am

      “There is literally nothing that JVP won’t validate.”

      Not “validate”, but express a principle. If you’re some random person heading down, say, Jay Street in Brooklyn, or Ocean Boulevard in Boca Raton, Florida, or Beacon Street in Newtown, Mass, you’re not going to be personally affected by the evil policies of the Israeli government, yet a lot of people nevertheless still support that evil government. JVP recognize that their principles require them to not support policies that will cause evil to befall the Palestinians. Good for them.

  14. Raphael
    August 7, 2016, 7:09 am

    It seems to ne that Zionism is misunderstood. For example, I became a Zionist after I was attacked for being Jewish; even though, technically, I’m not Jewish. It seems to be that Zionism can be a love for Israel or Jerusalem or another word for Israel. When I moved to Israel recently (but then then moved back)… it seemed that a majority of the people living there were quasi refugees; that were forced to live there because of religious persecution. If anything the Arabs should be friendly to them seeking to have them to live there. But, it seems to me obvious they do not want them to live there…because the Middle East Arabs at war with them.

    For example, I’m forbidden as a Israeli American with a dual passport to enter Middle Eastern countries that American Jews and US politicians are allowed to go to… and those groups can receive funding from rich Arabs hostile to Israeli Jews…I would assume oil money.

    That is why I cannot vote for Clinton or Trump this election, they do not care about people in the Middle East. At least I tell people to their face that I could care less about Arab rights. But then again I could care less about the rights of the PLO, and also I could care less the Jewish version of the PLO AIPAC rights. Why would I care about a group of people that are hostile and not friendly to me? It goes against the grain of human nature. Be my friend, then perhaps I might care.

    Things are never going to change. Frankly no one in Israel even literally knows anything about American Jews; let alone liberalism. Nor do they want to know. So, I support a one state peace plan; with no mosques too exist on Israeli land. Israeli country as being a part of Judea and Samaria, as well; with no mosques to be in Jerusalem. All mosques should be dismantled and sent to Iraq.

    If the Israelis want a Temple so be it, I could care less; I personally think it would be nothing more then a tourist attraction and a tourist trap… but God gave everyone a free will (even the Israelis) so if they want a Temple; it is their country… they should have built one in 1948, in my opinion. With no mosques for the Arabs to rally around to stir up conflicts ; there would be peace.

    • YoniFalic
      August 7, 2016, 11:29 am

      I’m an American ex-Israeli. I have had no problem in visiting Arab countries when I use my American passport.

      • Raphael
        August 7, 2016, 4:07 pm

        I was born with a Hebrew name, not a Jewish name; which is on my American passport. My American passport also has as my Oleh visa in it. I look like a American Jew. I even asked a Israeli Arab, in Israel, and, even said I’m Jewish even if I’m a half Jew. The Arabs no matter what I might consider as being non Jewish… consider me to be Jewish, if I have a Jewish father. I even read a modern Jewish scholarship book, and it says the same thing that the Arabs consider Mischlinge Jews to be 100% Jews.

        The passport holder I have has both my American passport on one side, and my Israeli passport on the other side; because, I’m a dual citizen of Israel and the United States. I would make it a point to not hide my Israeli passport in the passport holder, anywhere when I travel.

      • Mooser
        August 7, 2016, 10:00 pm

        “It seems to ne that Zionism is misunderstood.”

        Oh, don’t worry, “Raphael”, everything you say is all too understandable.
        We’ve been handed this same drek auf dem teller many times.

      • YoniFalic
        August 7, 2016, 10:34 pm

        If you go out of your way to push your Israeli invader identity, of course, you have problems.

        We have to be clear. Israeli Jewish invaders hate Arabs, murder Arabs, stole Palestine from natives, and committed genocide on native Arab population of Palestine.

        Arabs legitimately hate anyone that emphasizes their Israeli invader identity.

        Now that I have gotten over Israeli identity crap, I would not want to associate with you, sit next to you on a plane, or live next door to you.

        I go out of my way to emphasize how much I hate Israel. This attitude works great throughout the world.

      • Raphael
        August 8, 2016, 4:48 pm

        YoniFalic,

        I have read much of your works as a historian; and your struggle with being a ex-Israeli is to me interesting. So I will give my thoughts about this.

        It seems that you lost your identity, as a Israeli, after some unfair things happened to Arabs while you were in battle with Arab combatants, while a member of the Israeli military.

        If anything…. for you to correctly confront the problem; you should have gone public in Israel as a conscientious objector too wars. Then, the powers that be probably would have kicked you out of Israel; but that would have been much more therapeutic for you, then running away from your problems,and voluntarily giving up your Israeli citizenship.

        It is always better to confront ones problems; rather then run away from them. You said you were in therapy for your psychological issues. But, it does not seem like your therapist has been much help. Have you ever considered gestalt therapy?

        You should have quit the military as soon as you were given commands that were unfair, because, of humanitarian grounds.. and, at the very least you should have never pulled the trigger to shoot innocent non-combatants; in a war zone. You should have not followed the commands to shoot. You should have never “cooperated” with a unjust order.

        Not sitting next to me on a plane (I as a complete stranger)? Is that really going to help you with your shattered identity?

      • Mr.T
        August 9, 2016, 11:28 am

        “you should have gone public in Israel as a conscientious objector too wars.”

        Look what the criminal Israeli state has done to a genuine hero like Mordechai Vanunu (one of the very few heroes that Israel has generated). When faced with an inhuman enemy like that, how dare you criticize any decisions someone takes to protect themselves?

      • Mooser
        August 9, 2016, 12:00 pm

        “You should have quit the military as soon as you were given commands that were unfair,” “Raphael”

        You know quite a bit about the military, don’t you “Raphael”? Yup, you just throw down your weapon and say “I quit”.

        “Not sitting next to me on a plane (I as a complete stranger)?”

        Why, you think you can keep your mouth shut during the flight? Who wants to sit next to a maudlin madman?

        BTW, “Raphael”, aren’t you going to say “Thank you “Yoni Falic”, for the sacrifices you made in the IDF”?

      • Raphael
        August 9, 2016, 12:33 pm

        Mordechai Vanunu

        In the US; there is Daniel Ellsberg, and the Pentagon Papers.

        Daniel Ellsberg is a conscientious objector to the miliary industrial complex.

        Daniel Ellsberg
        From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

        Daniel Ellsberg (born April 7, 1931) is an activist and former United States military analyst who, while employed by the RAND Corporation, precipitated a national political controversy in 1971 when he released the Pentagon Papers, a top-secret Pentagon study of U.S. government decision-making in relation to the Vietnam War, to The New York Times and other newspapers.

        Ellsberg was charged under the Espionage Act of 1917 along with other charges of theft and conspiracy, carrying a total maximum sentence of 115 years.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Ellsberg

      • Mooser
        August 9, 2016, 1:31 pm

        “Mordechai Vanunu

        In the US; there is Daniel Ellsberg, and the Pentagon Papers.”

        Well, well, look who has descended to the ordinary right-wing Zionist what-aboutery.

        From your link: “Due to governmental misconduct and illegal evidence gathering, and the defense by Leonard Boudin and Harvard Law School professor Charles Nesson, Judge Byrne dismissed all charges against Ellsberg on May 11, 1973.”

      • Mooser
        August 9, 2016, 2:39 pm

        “YoniFalic,…”

        Am I the only one who notes that “Raphael’s” syntax is eerily like “Silamcuz” as soon as he goes on the attack against “Yoni” and forgets which character he is playing?

  15. Marnie
    August 7, 2016, 12:00 pm

    “Goldberg then expressed his own contempt for those young Jewish Americans:

    A lot of very mainstream Israelis ask, Why should we risk our lives by taking positions that could in fact hurt us physically, so that a group of spoiled children at Harvard and Yale and UCLA feel better about the Jewish state? The Jewish state was not created so that 18 year olds at Berkeley feel good.”

    What an a-hole. He’s contemptuous of young Jewish Americans (or even old ones) that dare put human rights ahead of the zionist state and calls them ‘spoiled’. They are educated and articulate and can actually see the forest from the sleaze. The ‘Jewish state’ was created for Jews only, on land filled with Palestinians, which were murdered, terrorized, raped and driven off their own land and turned into refugees, those attempting to return were arrested or murdered. And it continues.

    Goldberg, these young (and not young) American Jews and non-Jews see the situation in real time, not in the all spin/all the time zone you inhabit.

  16. Ossinev
    August 7, 2016, 2:12 pm

    @Raphael
    I think I underestimated the problem and suggested that there should be an ointment out there somewhere which might help.

    I think you need an institutional balm.

    • Mooser
      August 7, 2016, 9:12 pm

      “I think you need an institutional balm.”

      He should buy a ticket to Gilead.
      They got balm to make the wounded whole there, or so I heard at YMCA summer camp. What was I doing at a YMCA camp, singing “There is a balm in Gilead” every goddam day at lunch? Long story. Ends with me exploding a paper bag at the word “balm”.

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    While Heritage Foundation confirms emergence of old as new enemy on the horizon-

    “Counterterrorism officials and the public are on high alert from terrorism threats, but a new threat assessment from the conservative Heritage Foundation warned that Iran “represents by far the most significant security challenge to the United States, its allies, and its interests in the greater Middle East.” http://finance.yahoo.com/news/biggest-security-threat-us-might-221300654.html

    Max Boot wants Americans to forget that there was Iraq War2 and since then there have been 3, 4,5 Iraq wars and continuing with more branches and franchises in and around north Africa and Syria ,Yemen and Somalia . Not being content with the scale of the destruction ,the Lobby is angling for more targets because [there are no targets ] as Rumsfield once had moaned about Afghanistan before offering his own reason to attack Iraq in addition to the reasons The Lobby provided .

  18. brent
    August 8, 2016, 12:27 pm

    Advocating for a secular, democratic state with equality for all, the original PLO position, would be a game changer….and… the most direct route to two states.

    • Raphael
      August 8, 2016, 6:02 pm

      When I was in East Jerusalem before I became a Israeli citizen, as a half Jew. I spoke to many Arabs, I don’t recall them ever saying that all they want is a secular democratic state, on equal terms, with the Jews in West Jerusalem.

      • talknic
        August 9, 2016, 6:39 am

        @ Raphael August 8, 2016, 6:02 pm

        ” …. I spoke to many Arabs, I don’t recall them ever saying that all they want is a secular democratic state, on equal terms, with the Jews in West Jerusalem.

        It’s been the Arab policy for decades http://wp.me/pDB7k-ki#democracy-equal-rights

      • Raphael
        August 9, 2016, 10:53 am

        It’s been the Arab policy for decades

        I don’t recall even one sentence of the lengthy Arab policy you mentioned; ever discussed by them. All the Arabs I spoke to seemed to be generally be concerned about the economic problems; that the conflict gives to their community.

      • Mr.T
        August 9, 2016, 11:31 am

        “When I was in East Jerusalem before I became a Israeli citizen, as a half Jew. I spoke to many Arabs, I don’t recall them ever saying that all they want is a secular democratic state, on equal terms, with the Jews in West Jerusalem. ”

        They probably thought you were an agent of the Israeli Gestapo and said what they thought might keep them from getting tortured and keep their kids from being orphaned at the hands of some murderous Zionist terrorist.

      • Mooser
        August 9, 2016, 12:08 pm

        “I spoke to many Arabs, I don’t recall them ever saying…”

        Anything you didn’t want to hear?
        And can you give me one not-completely-stupid reason why you wouldn’t lie about this?

        Wait, let me guess? Having a non-Jewish mother makes you completely objective in regard to Israel?

      • Mooser
        August 9, 2016, 1:37 pm

        “Raphael”, please don’t treat the people here like they are stupid. They aren’t.

  19. genesto
    August 8, 2016, 12:50 pm

    Intelligence doesn’t always translate to wisdom. The greatest Zionist minds don’t ever seem to understand that THE REASON FOR THE RISE OF ANTI-ZIONIST JEWISH GROUPS IS THAT THE ZIONIST IDEOLOGY IS INHERENTLY IMMORAL AND SELF-DEFEATING! Instead of facing this irrefutable truth, once and for all, these ‘brilliant minds’ instead focus on pursuing what is essentially censorship combined with much better public relations strategy. This ‘putting lipstick on a pig’ approach is simply not working with the new generation of Jews that have a much more realistic, clear-eyed vision of the world than do their Zionist forebears.

    The cat is out of the bag, Mr. Goldberg, Dershowitz, et al, and it’s too late to try to shove it back in!

  20. Khannea
    August 8, 2016, 4:33 pm

    This is surreal.

    It is like Saruman muttering angrily that “the elves” won’t support him in his bid of power against Mordor. Saruman completely does not get he is actively doing evil, and he can’t conceive of the elves complaining about his constant violation of human rights. “Why are they turning against me”, Saruman loudly complains, “it makes absolutely no sense”. It is almost as if the Israeli nation has collectively turned autistic – or utterly tonedeaf about immoral acts. They can’t conceive of the idea they have become the bad guys, or that anyone could regard their acts against those filthy Palestinian scum as “criminal” or “immoral”. These damn Elves are constantly changing the rules of Realpolitik, Saruman angrily hisses.

  21. pabelmont
    August 9, 2016, 2:27 pm

    How can these died-in-the-wool Zionists understand the young Jews (or others) who are deserting Zionism in favor of universal morality?

    Support-Judaism-not-Zionism!
    Support Bernie/Jill-not-Plutocracy-Hill !!
    Very similar political calls.

    In each case the moral revolutionary (that is the person who perhaps at long last abandons the political manipulators in favor of morality) has to balance loyalty to principle against loyalty to group.

    Well, I’ve always been a Democrat — longing for a return of the party to morality — but I’ve never been a Zionist. Nevertheless, I can see the tug-of-war for those who have been (or still are) Zionists.

    • Mooser
      August 9, 2016, 3:00 pm

      “Nevertheless, I can see the tug-of-war for those who have been (or still are) Zionists.”

      Oh yeah, me too! Sure, Zionism might fail. But it might not!. And if it doesn’t, and I am a known anti-Zionist, I won’t be able to share in the credit of reducing or eliminating the Palestinian people!
      Everybody will look at me and say: “He didn’t hold faith with his people until the job was done!” and I will be reviled.

      (Of course, if Israel suddenly starts dismantling the wall, pulling out of settlements, rationalizing and obeying the law, making reparations well, I am going to look awfully foolish, aren’t I, and a real kvetcher, too!)

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