Sheldon Adelson, Trump’s billionaire backer, is committed to ‘the Jewish people’ and believes Palestinians are a ‘made up people’

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Donald Trump is supposed to be his own man, but in some regards he defers to one of the richest men in the world: Sheldon Adelson, the casino mogul who says that “Israel is in my heart.” During the campaign Trump’s superPAC got a $25 million cash infusion from Adelson; and Trump “made a 180-degree shift in his position” on Israel/Palestine, from saying he would be neutral between the parties to saying he was on Israel’s side.

It is surely no coincidence that the man being bandied about today as a Trump secretary of state, Newt Gingrich, is an Adelson favorite, whom Adelson supported in his own failed presidential runs. In fact, just last May, Adelson said he and Gingrich share an outlook on the Palestinian people:

I happen to believe what our friend Newt Gingrich said is true, it’s a made up people.

Adelson’s money gets results. Back in 2000, Adelson contributed $300,000 to the Republican Party at the same time that George W. Bush was appointing neoconservatives to high positions in his administration.

Who is Sheldon Adelson? He is the streetsmart 83-year-old son of an immigrant cabdriver and seamstress in Boston who by his own description stumbled accidentally into a casino fortune and has dedicated his life in recent years to sustaining Israel and American Jewish support for it. He has said that the creation of a Palestinian state would pose a potential Holocaust to Israeli Jews.

Adelson is said to be very close to Benjamin Netanyahu, the rightwing prime minister of the country, but he says that he also socializes with liberal Jewish politicians. He held a fundraiser for Mitt Romney in Jerusalem in 2012, and the next year he called on President Obama to nuke Iran. He owns newspapers in Israel and Nevada, and has poured tens of millions into the “Birthright” program, which gives young Jews a free trip to Israel.

One other Adelson achievement: he escapes the spotlight. As Rania Khalek said yesterday: “Adelson funded Trump, bankrolls Netanyahu. U’d think a billionaire w unprecedented influence over 2 heads of state would get more coverage.”

“Why am I so committed to the Jewish people?” Adelson answered his own question: His concern comes out of the European Jewish experience. His father was tormented in a Jewish shtetl in Lithuania before he emigrated to the United States; and Adelson has said that Birthright is a “noble” cause because it aims to get back the six million Jews who died in World War II.

I feel that it is an honor for us to be the stonemason that mixes the cement that connects one generation of Jews to another. Without that… there won’t be any need for anything Jewish because there won’t be any Jews left….

Only 42 percent of Jewish people between the ages of 18 and 26 intend to marry within the religion and/or bring their children up Jewish… But the kids who go on Birthright, that same question, it jumps to 76 percent….

We’ve got to build it up to a point.. that it matures into something. as comprehensive as we can make it. We’ll never get the quantity back. We will some day. But we can’t just turn a switch and have the 6 million Jews who were lost in the Holocaust back with us.

In that same appearance earlier this year, Adelson scorned President Roosevelt because he did “not make the slightest effort to save the Jewish people. It is incomprehensible to me as a human being.”

He told of the influence of his parents:

My parents who were immigrants to this country.. my father escaped the pogroms in Lithuania and left a little shtetl called Zezmer between Kovno and Vilna in 1912, because the Cossaks would come into the town with whips and swords and they’d kill the Jews.

He prayed to God that some day there would be a place that Jewish people would not be subject to the whips and swords of the Cossacks and other bigots.

 

Adelson said he was committed to the Jewish people because of our oppression, and achievement.

Why am I so committed to the Jewish people? When you think of how many Jews there were during the time of Crhist, there were only 10 million. Today we have only 13.5 million… If you count with the way a lot of secular people count, you may have 17 million. But we are 0.02 percent of the world’s population, and yet the Jews have won 29 percent of all the Nobel prizes, peace prizes, medicine, chemistry, and economy, etc. It seems to me that if one is going to feel good about your own, who you are and what you are… I was brought up to care about the Jewish people. And my father was a very poor person. My mother had to work. She was an expert knitter. She opened up a little store and she would teach other women how to knit and how to connect the arms to the bodies of sweaters.

My father dreamt all his life of a place where the Jews could be first class citizens… The only job he could get during the Second World War when I was growing up was as a taxi-driver….

We barely got along. I grew up in Dorchester, the sectin of Boston split between the South Boston Irish and the Dorchester Jews.

Taking the cue from my father, without him saying I want you to do a, b, c, d, and e. it just came to me automatically. It wasn’t my responsibilty and it wasn’t my obligation, it was an honor, for me to help keep the Jewish people together. We are like stone masons. We mix the cement that connects one generation of Jews to the other. That’s why Birthright is so important to [my wife] Miri and myself. Because without that connection, two or three more generations, there won’t be any Jews left in the United States. I couldn’t live with that… But we’re in a position to do something about it, and that’s why we do a lot… Otherwise we’re all gone.

Adelson was never able to take his father to Israel. By the time he had enough money to do that, his father was too old and sick to go. That is one reason he supports Birthright, for the young.

I don’t want 100,000 Jews that are born every year all around the world to wait till they’re too old and too sick to go. So we want them to go now.

It will be the biggest tragedy in history if Jews disappear

Adelson says that Birthright manages to get nearly half that 100,000 to Israel every year. The trips often enter occupied territories but do little to inform the holidayers of what they are seeing.

In recent years he offered to buy five Iron Dome batteries, at $200 million each, for Israel, and he has thrown himself into fighting what he says is the greatest threat facing Israel today, the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement, or BDS. “We want modern day Maccabees to faith against the BDS and antisemitism on campus,” Adelson said last May.

Adelson has repeatedly denied the existence of Palestinians as a people– and DNA would show it.

Did anyone ever hear of Southern Syrians? The Sykes-Picot agreement, when that was penned in 1916, they delineated the borders of Lebanon and Syria… Those Arabs that were left in an area then called Palestine called themselves southern Syrians.

For 400 years the Muslim ottoman empire owned the Middle East. They never recognized any group called the Palestinians. And by the way, P is not a letter in Arabic. So they called themselves Falastins. A Roman name…

I happen to believe what our friend Newt Gingrich said is true, it’s a made up people, and who made it up? Yasser Arafat. When? 1964 when he formed the Palestinian liberation organization.

If you took DNA of all the people from that area of the 400 years of Ottoman Rule, you’d find that everybody throughout the Middle East were all the same people, all the Arabs…

You cannot find, I dare anybody to find to look for a book that has the name Palestinians or Falastine or any similar name, before 1964, it doesn’t exist. So in order to protect Israel we have to come back with the truth.

Meantime, Adelson says, Jews lived in Jerusalem continuously for 3000 years.

In that interview he acknowledged that Palestinians in Israel are not first-class citizens:

You can’t say there’s no discrimination in Israel, it’s human nature to be discriminatory.

Here are some other Adelson statements from an October 2013 appearance at Yeshiva University in New York. On trading land for peace:

I think it’s unwise to trade land for peace… It’s more unwise to trade land for peace with a people who are not a people.

On the absurdity of allowing Palestinians to have a state:

Here’s a good compromise… I can imagine a meeting between an Israeli Jew and the Muslims. ‘Muslims, you want to kill 100 percent of the Jews. We don’t want you to kill anybody. So let’s compromise. We’ll surrender half the Jews so you can kill them.
And the other half of the Jews will stay alive. So both of us get a compromise. You can’t get everything you want! But we get some of what we want!’ It’s ridiculous. These people espouse the destruction of the Jewish people worldwide and the state of Israel. When they talk about the little Satan and the big Satan, this is not conjecture… they really mean it.

On Islam:

In their culture and in their religion… why do they say the men who become martyrs go to heaven and they meet up with 72 virgins?  I can never figure out what the virgins did to deserve that.

On the similarity between the Holocaust and allowing the Palestinians to have a state:

Nobody believed Hillel Kook when he came to this country and tried to convince Roosevelt that millions of Jews were being gassed. Nobody believed him. So no one believes what they have in mind. So I think to go and allow a Palestinian state is like playing Russian Roulette with yourself. Because one day the bullet’s gong to come out and it’s going to kill you.

They hate us, they don’t want us alive. If they really wanted peace, somewhere, somehow in the last 65 years they would have moved one millimeter toward the Jewish demands.

He said the Japanese were more justified in attacking Pearl Harbor than the Palestinians are in seeking a state:

This is not an issue about a grievance. Like the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor because in the Second World War the US cut off the flow of oil to Japan to punish them for taking over China. This is not a territorial issue. The Arabs have 500 times more land than Israel does.

On the need for better “hasbara,” or propaganda, to save Israel:

We have an NGO for hasbara. [RethinkIsrael.org, launched with the Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish Organizations,] We’re going to provide information, propaganda if you will. To give you an example of a couple of the items. Israel has passed a law to outlaw thin models. Female fashion models. Can you imagine that?

We want to tell college students and we’re starting out with a target audience of 18-24… [My wife] Miri and I have well-financed this. We also say that we’re cool. The beaches are cool, the clubs are cool… Did you know that there are more museums per capital in Israel than … in any other country in the world? Did you know there’s a television show that dogs watch? We are hoping to diminish the reluctance of both Jewish and non-Jewish college students to look at Israel in a different way.

On assimilation:

Two more generations, maybe three, there won’t be any secular Jews left. There won’t be any need for Federations. No need for synagogues, no need for Jewish community centers, no need for Jewish family service agencies. No need for anything Jewish. It won’t be here. The one thing that Jews have been striving for, for thousands of years, acceptance as a first class citizen, to be assimilated into the society and let go, out of the pale of the pale of settlement. We finally got it, and it’s turning out to be our undoing. We don’t do something about it, there won’t be any Jews left.

In 2011 Adelson said that he wished he had served in the Israeli army, not the American one:

I am not Israeli, the uniform that I wore in the military unfortunately was not an Israeli uniform, it was an American uniform, although my wife was in the IDF, and one of my daughters was in the IDF, and my two little boys — our two little boys one of whom will be bar mitzvahed tomorrow… hopefully he’ll come back [to Israel], his hobby is shooting and he’ll come back and be a sniper for the IDF….

All we care about is being good Zionists, being good citizens of Israel, because even though I am not Israeli born, Israel is in my heart.

Thanks to James North.

 

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  1. Talkback
    November 11, 2016, 12:59 pm

    This is correct. The Palestinans are a made up people. The legally exist since 1925 as a result of the Treaty of Lausanne, but their (mandated) state was not the result of settler colonialism.

    A Jewish nation on the other hand has never existed. Nobody can become “Jewish” by becoming citizen of any state (or kingdom). That’s the reason why the “Jewish state” (which was made up in 1948 and by settler colonialism) is inherently a Apartheid state and the Nonjewish native majority was expelled so that the fake “Jewish nation” can fake being a democracy (majority ruling).

    • Mooser
      November 11, 2016, 1:52 pm

      The existence or non-existence, in any sense, of a “Jewish nation” has little bearing on what the Zionists did to the Palestinians. Whether the Palestinians were “a people” I do not know. I am pretty sure, however, that they are people.

      Of course, I guess the feeling that our nationhood trumps all other interests is something that just comes naturally to a unified group of 1.8 billion people.

      • Mooser
        November 11, 2016, 7:42 pm

        Of course, I claim no special qualifications to determine whether Palestinians are indeed people or not. I just sort of assumed they are.

      • Talkback
        November 12, 2016, 6:22 am

        Mooser,

        Palestinans are a constitutive people, a nation in the sense of citizenship since the mandatory goverment of Palestine enacted the nationality law in 1925. The term Palestinian refers to the people of Palestine. Everybody could and can become a Palestinian by acquiring the citizenship of the State of Palestine. It is a term of citizenship.

        Jews on the other can only claim to be a people in an ethic or religious sense of the term. They are not a “nation” (in the sense of citizenship). Nobody can become “Jewish” by acquiring the citizenship of any state. “Jewish” is not a citizenship.

        But Zionists need to confuse the terms “people”and “nation” to claim a bogus right to statehood. They claim that contrary to the Palestinians Jews are a people and therefore have a right to a state. They are correct, that Palestinians are not a people when using an ethnoreligious interpretation. But this is totally irrelevant from a legal point of view and when it comes to the right to statehood. And they claim that Jews are a nation in the same bogus interpretation of the term “nation”, which is not a constitutive interpretation and again irrelevant when it comes to the right to statehood.

        That way Zionist can confuse the right to self determination of “people”. The term “people” actually refers to everyone legally and habitually residing in a certain territory – its denizens or even better citizens. Ethnicity or religion is irrelevant. Therefore “Jews” do not have the right to statehood, because the term “Jews” does not refer to EVERYONE living within a territory (see Palestine or Kosovo). But that’s the reason why Zionist need to claim that this land is the “land of the Jews”, which is not only historically ludicrous, but als legally irrelevant and completely racist, because not everybody living there is “Jewish”.

        Jews (like other citizens) do have an individual right to self determination by being citizens of a certain state (the right to participate in a democracy), but not a collective right to statehood.

        Of course Zionist call it antisemitic to deny Jews having a right to a state. But being the suopremacist bigots they are they don’t have any problem denying the same right to the people of Palestine … or to the people of Kosovo.

      • Mooser
        November 12, 2016, 12:51 pm

        Talkback, what can I say? I’m no anthropologist, or biologist, not a man who can rub a lamp and make genes appear. And except for biting my nails, no anthropophagist, so I wouldn’t know by taste. And maybe being a Jew further clouds my mind on the subject.

        But Palestinians sure look a lot like people to me.

      • Mayhem
        November 12, 2016, 4:06 pm

        @mooser, 1.8 billion people?
        Surely we need more than a moose’s hunch that the Palestinians are “a people”.
        Historically it appears that they only defined themselves very recently as a xenophobic reaction to the Zionist project where their own real credo is the destruction of Israel.

      • Mooser
        November 12, 2016, 5:26 pm

        “@mooser, 1.8 billion people?”

        I’m sorry. It’s hard to keep up. If the figure has grown to 1.9 or 2 billion, I’ll use that.

      • Mayhem
        November 12, 2016, 6:56 pm

        @mooser, I get it now – you must be referring to the Muslim behemoth.
        What particularly stake do they have in Palestine?
        The Arabs maybe but they keep on letting hatred get in the way of better judgement.

      • RoHa
        November 12, 2016, 10:16 pm

        Mooser, the Palestinians self-identify as people. That settles the matter, doesn’t it?

      • RoHa
        November 12, 2016, 10:20 pm

        “But Zionists need to confuse the terms “people”and “nation” to claim a bogus right to statehood.”

        Which is why they do not like my careful parsing of the concept into p-nation, n-nation, and c-nation.

        “They claim that Jews are a people and therefore have a right to a state.”

        But I never see them justify the assumed principle that a “people” has a right to a state.

      • Mooser
        November 12, 2016, 11:38 pm

        “@mooser, I get it now – you must be referring to the Muslim behemoth.”

        That’s right, “Mayhem”! But 2 billion Jews ought to give them a real run for their money. There may be (I wouldn’t know) more Muslims than that, but 2 billion Jews ain’t chickenfeed, baby. We’ll just keep on coming in waves.

        Nor do the Muslims have our unity of purposes and interests, nor our theological and political discipline! We could lick two or three times our 2 billion. We’ve put the years since WW2 to good purpose, producing the forces, the numbers we need.

      • talknic
        November 13, 2016, 3:45 am

        @ Mayhem

        “What particularly stake do they have in Palestine?”

        They’re for the most part allies. It’s not illegal.
        T

        ” .. Arabs maybe but they keep on letting hatred get in the way of better judgement”

        A) What’s to like about a state in blatant breach of the UN Charter, International Law, conventions relative to being the Occupying Power?
        B) Their better judgement has been to adhere to International Law and the UN charter in respect to Israel’s existence as a recognized state and UN Member, reminding Israel again and again thru UN/UNSC resolutions of its legal obligations towards the Palestinians

      • Talkback
        November 13, 2016, 4:26 am

        mayhem: “Historically it appears that they only defined themselves very recently as a xenophobic reaction to the Zionist project where their own real credo is the destruction of Israel.”

        Typical Hasbara troll. I just explained that they legally exist since the beginning of the mandated state of Palestine, but mayhem needs to to call their very legal existence a “xenophobic reaction” to the Zionist project” which itself of course is not a “xenophobic reaction”, especially not a literally Nonjewphobic reaction and their very own real project did not destroy Palestine. You see Nonjews have to be xenophile and expecially philosemitic, if Jews want to take over their land by war and expulsion and are not allowed to annul a settler colonialist entity and restore the territorial integrity of their country.

        mayhem: “you must be referring to the Muslim behemoth.”

        Yep. Just replace “Muslim” with “Jewish” in this sentence and you know exactly which kind of Nazi we are dealing with.

      • Mooser
        November 13, 2016, 12:16 pm

        “Mooser, the Palestinians self-identify as people. That settles the matter, doesn’t it?”

        That’s good enough for me. They are indeed people, human beings.

      • Mooser
        November 13, 2016, 1:36 pm

        “But I never see them justify the assumed principle that a “people” has a right to a state.”

        Rights, schmights! I’ve been trying to tell you 2 billion people, theologically, culturally, and politically unified, make their own goddam rights!
        We don’t need a “right”. We’ll just go and take the sucker.
        And look at the historical trend, more of us, and more committed every day!

      • Mooser
        November 13, 2016, 1:43 pm

        “Yep. Just replace “Muslim” with “Jewish” in this sentence”

        Wait a minute, I’m not sure behemoth is kosher.

      • zaid
        November 13, 2016, 11:29 pm

        “Historically it appears that they only defined themselves very recently as a xenophobic reaction to the Zionist project where their own real credo is the destruction of Israel. ”

        The Area have been called Palestine and its people the Palestinians throughout the Islamic history.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jund_Filastin

        The second part is correct, our credo is to destroy the Nazi state of Israel.

      • Mayhem
        November 15, 2016, 10:17 pm

        @zaid, the Turks ruled over Palestine during the Ottoman Empire but doesn’t give them any particular entitlement. In the same way as the Filastin caliphates 1200 years ago gave their rulers no special entitlement. The present day Arab Palestinian identity is a 20th century invention.
        This quote, from PLO leader Zuheir Mohsen in the 1970’s, sums up the subversive strategy:
        “Between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese there are no differences. We are all part of ONE people, the Arab nation. Look, I have family members with Palestinian, Lebanese, Jordanian and Syrian citizenship. We are ONE people. Just for political reasons we carefully underwrite our Palestinian identity. Because it is of national interest for the Arabs to advocate the existence of Palestinians to balance Zionism. Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity exists only for tactical reasons. The establishment of a Palestinian state is a new tool to continue the fight against Israel and for Arab unity.”
        And by the way your reference to Israel as a Nazi state is outright anti-semitism and therefore is in breach of MW comment guidelines.
        I wouldn’t worry though zaid because MW has no genuine moral principles and gives tacit approval to anti-semites like you.

      • zaid
        November 15, 2016, 10:59 pm

        Zuheir Mohsen was an Arab Nationalist, so for him the Arab Identity should prevail over all other.

        The Arab identity itself is a 20th century product formed and promoted by the British as a response to the Ottoman Empire (Islamic Identity) and it is already fading away.

        Grab any history book and you will see that the area have been called Palestine and its people Palestinians throughout the Islamic History.

        I can provide examples if you want .

      • talknic
        November 16, 2016, 3:26 am

        Mayhem November 15, 2016, 10:17 pm

        “… the Turks etc etc etc etc…”

        So what? Israel proclaimed its borders May 15th 1948 effective at 00:01 (ME time). Nothing acquired by war outside those borders is or has ever been legally acknowledged as Israeli

        “The present day Arab Palestinian identity is a 20th century invention.
        This quote, from PLO leader Zuheir Mohsen in the 1970’s …. “

        A) Mohsen is spouting nonsense. Palestinian Nationality Law was adopted in 1925, per the LoN Mandate for Palestine Article 7. Palestine was a Nation State

        B) So what? Israel proclaimed its borders May 15th 1948 effective at 00:01 (ME time). Nothing acquired by war outside those borders is or has ever been legally acknowledged as Israeli

        “And by the way your reference to Israel as a Nazi state is outright anti-semitism and therefore is in breach of MW comment guidelines.

        Israel isn’t Jewish or a Jew

        “I wouldn’t worry though zaid because MW has no genuine moral principles and gives tacit approval to anti-semites like you”

        Accusations are not evidence. Evidence of you and your fellows complete lack of moral principles is in the lies and unsubstantiated ( false ) accusations you spout

    • eljay
      November 11, 2016, 2:10 pm

      … just last May, Adelson said he and Gingrich share an outlook on the Palestinian people:

      I happen to believe what our friend Newt Gingrich said is true, it’s a made up people.

      Well, then, Palestinians and Jews have something in common.

      Unlike the Palestinians, who were “made up” by originating or existing in the geographic region of Palestine, Jewish people – regardless of where in the world they originated or existed – were “made up” by:
      – undergoing a religious conversion to Judaism; or
      – being born to someone who underwent a religious conversion to Judaism.

      A Palestinian state in Palestine makes just and moral sense. A religion-supremacist “Jewish State” carved out of Palestine – or any other geographic region in the world – does not.

      • RoHa
        November 11, 2016, 9:48 pm

        OT, eljay, but it looks as though you Canadians won’t have to build a wall on your border to prevent an influx of foreigners who have a different culture, different customs, and little intention of integrating with the local society .

        Apparently the Hollywood celebrities are going to stay put after all.

      • eljay
        November 12, 2016, 7:35 am

        || RoHa: OT, eljay, but it looks as though you Canadians won’t have to build a wall on your border to prevent an influx of foreigners who have a different culture, different customs, and little intention of integrating with the local society .

        Apparently the Hollywood celebrities are going to stay put after all. ||

        Good. Too many bodies up here would result in warmer Winters (bad for our igloos), a shortage of canoes and longer line-ups at Tim Hortons.

      • Mayhem
        November 12, 2016, 4:37 pm

        @eljay, it would have been supremacist of the Jews if they had not allowed those who weren’t born into the privilege of being Jewish to convert to Judaism. If any Palestinian wants entitlement it is only a conversion away!

      • echinococcus
        November 12, 2016, 5:07 pm

        Mayhem,

        Shooting yourself in your dumb foot again.
        So only religious Jews are allowed into the conquered entity? No unbelievers need apply? “Jewish” is nothing but religion?

        You’re saying it.

      • Mooser
        November 12, 2016, 5:53 pm

        ?”it would have been supremacist of the Jews if they had not allowed those who weren’t born into the privilege of being Jewish to convert to Judaism.”

        Conversions! Of course! That must be where the other 200,000,000 come from! Right you are, “Mayhem” it probably is 2 billion. And who can blame them. Everybody wants privilege!

      • gamal
        November 12, 2016, 6:57 pm

        “If any Palestinian wants entitlement it is only a conversion away!”

        Zionism has reached peak Jew

      • eljay
        November 12, 2016, 9:41 pm

        || Mayhem: @eljay, it would have been supremacist of the Jews if they had not allowed those who weren’t born into the privilege of being Jewish to convert to Judaism. If any Palestinian wants entitlement it is only a conversion away! ||

        1. You can always count on Zio-supremacists:
        – to insist that Jewish is so much more than a religion – it’s a tribe, a people, an ethnicity, a culture, a nation and a civilization; and, then,
        – to reduce Jewish to religion.

        2. I sincerely thank you for clearly and concisely confirming what I’ve been saying all along – that Israel:
        – is not the secular and democratic state of and for all of its Israeli citizens, immigrants, expats and refugees, equally; but
        – is a religion-supremacist “Jewish State” which privileges Jewish Israelis and non-Israeli Jews over non-Jewish Israelis (incl. non-Jewish Israeli refugees).

      • Keith
        November 12, 2016, 9:44 pm

        MAYHEM- “If any Palestinian wants entitlement it is only a conversion away!”

        The notion that the Israeli Rabbinate would recognize the conversion of large numbers of Palestinians is absurd.

      • Mooser
        November 12, 2016, 11:45 pm

        “Zionism has reached peak Jew”

        (with apologies to the RS)

        ‘Jewish conversion!
        It’s just a bris away! It’s just a bris away
        Jewish conversion!
        It’s just a bris away, bris away, bris away…

      • Annie Robbins
        November 13, 2016, 9:51 am

        Oh, a storm is threat’ning
        My very life today
        If I don’t get some shelter
        Oh yeah, I’m gonna fade away
        War, children, it’s just a bris away
        It’s just a bris away
        War, children, it’s just a bris away
        It’s just a bris away
        Ooh, see the fire is sweepin’
        Our very street today
        Burns like a red coal carpet
        Mad bull lost its way
        ……
        The floods is threat’ning
        My very life today
        Gimme, gimme shelter
        Or I’m gonna fade away

      • Mooser
        November 13, 2016, 12:23 am

        “it would have been supremacist of the Jews if they had not allowed those who weren’t born into the privilege of being Jewish to convert to Judaism. If any Palestinian wants entitlement it is only a conversion away!”

        Yes, considering how well that system worked for Jews when Christians imposed it, why shouldn’t Israel extend the same to the Palestinians?

        (But all that “imposing” on us is over. You don’t impose nothin’ on 2 billion people.)

      • Talkback
        November 13, 2016, 4:31 am

        Mayhem: “@eljay, it would have been supremacist of the Jews if they had not allowed those who weren’t born into the privilege of being Jewish to convert to Judaism. If any Palestinian wants entitlement it is only a conversion away!”

        The Zionist supremacist mayhem wants to suggest that only by becoming Jew a native of a country is entitled to it. Otherwise he or she is not even “priviliged”. What a blatant Nazi you are, Mayhem.

      • Mooser
        November 13, 2016, 12:38 pm

        Earworm? That one is an earfish, a regular Candiru Vandellia cirrhosa.

      • Mooser
        November 13, 2016, 1:25 pm

        “The notion that the Israeli Rabbinate would recognize the conversion of large numbers of Palestinians is absurd.”

        “Keith”, you must understand that it is unreasonable to expect any sensitivity about conversion-by-coercion, or even using conversion- as-a-taunt from Jewish people. It’s just not something we would know anything about.

    • rosross
      November 12, 2016, 11:25 am

      Palestine, with its people, was talked about by the ancient Egyptians and the Romans and others. It is not a made-up people as any study of history reveals.

      However, that is not the issue. The only issue is that a state founded on Palestine by European colonists subjugates the Palestinian people and denies them justice and rights. The history is irrelevant – what matters is correcting the reality.

      • Mayhem
        November 12, 2016, 4:19 pm

        @rosross, any credible references?
        White settlement in Australia was a full-blooded colonial project and it is bedded in concrete today with nobody suggesting that the aborigines (local inhabitants at the time of white settlement) should be given a country of their own.
        In Israel’s case the Jews have the Jewish historical heritage that goes back thousands of years. The Jews stem from the true indigenous population of Palestine going way way back. Therefore they have an entitlement that goes way beyond what sufficed for the colonial enterprises in Australia, US, Canada etc.

      • Annie Robbins
        November 12, 2016, 4:59 pm

        Therefore they have an entitlement that goes way beyond

        lol

      • Mooser
        November 12, 2016, 5:36 pm

        “Therefore they have an entitlement…”

        And when nearly 2 billion people (can we settle on that, Mayhem?) have an entitlement, it becomes an irresistible demand!

      • RoHa
        November 12, 2016, 10:39 pm

        “The Jews stem from the true indigenous population of Palestine going way way back.”

        1. There is a story (you may not give it much credence – I certainly don’t) that Jews are actually descended from a guy called Abraham who lived in what is now Iraq. Allegedly, he heard voices in his head, did disgusting things with sheep, and led his family on a long trek to Palestine. There he bought a slice of land from the people who really are the true indigenous population of Palestine.

        2. I keep hearing people say that European Jews are descended from the Jews of ancient Palestine, but they don’t seem to have any solid evidence. I have asked, but so far no-one has shown me a single family tree to prove it.

        3. Let us ignore points 1 and 2. Could you spell out the chain of reasoning from
        “Jews have the Jewish historical heritage that goes back thousands of years.”
        and
        “The Jews stem from the true indigenous population of Palestine going way way back.”
        to
        “Therefore they have an entitlement”?

        I just don’t see how you arrive at that conclusion.

        I could say “Many of the modern English stem from the indigenous population of Northern Germany and Denmark, therefore they have an entitlement to colonise Schleswig-Holstein”, but that conclusion seems just as daft to me.

      • Talkback
        November 13, 2016, 4:39 am

        “In Israel’s case the Jews have the Jewish historical heritage that goes back thousands of years. The Jews stem from the true indigenous population of Palestine going way way back.
        Therefore they have an entitlement that goes way beyond what sufficed for the colonial enterprises in Australia, US, Canada etc.”

        Historical heritage or the claim that someone stems from the “indigenous population” is absolutely irrelevant. The legal question is who was a legal citizen of Palestine in 1948 (if not 1919). Only he or she was entitled to this country and had the right to determine its future goverment by majority ruling.

      • eljay
        November 13, 2016, 9:07 am

        || Mayhem: … In Israel’s case the Jews have the Jewish historical heritage that goes back thousands of years. … ||

        “The Jews” do not have “historical heritage” relating to geographic Palestine extending back thousands of years. Some Jewish people alive today might have “historical heritage” relating to geographic Palestine that extends back thousands of years. So what? It is very secondary to the actual heritage relating to geographic Palestine possessed by every Palestinian living in and expelled by Zio-supremacist Jews from geographic Palestine.

        || … The Jews stem from the true indigenous population of Palestine going way way back. … ||

        “The Jews” do not stem from that population. Some Jews might. That’s very secondary to the actual stemming from Palestine of Palestinians alive today.

        || … Therefore they have an entitlement … ||

        The entitlement exists only in the fevered minds of hateful and immoral Zio-supremacists and in the minds of those who have been brainwashed by Zio-supremacists.

      • MHughes976
        November 13, 2016, 11:09 am

        The credible, indeed incontrovertible, evidence for abundant ancient use of the name ‘Palestine’ (note Isaiah 14:29), has been given here many times, along with evidence of the remarkable paucity of ancient non-biblical references to ‘Israel’. But human rights are not dependent on what nationality one adopts, inherits or claims.

      • echinococcus
        November 13, 2016, 11:34 am

        Talkback,

        The year in which the Zionist invaders declared their intention to invade Palestine and take over sovereignty is 1897.
        The British Empire committed to assist and impose the invasion in 1917.

      • rosross
        November 13, 2016, 12:13 pm

        @ Mayhem,

        Credible references for what? Read the Greek, Roman historians and translations of Ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs – might need books for it, to find the references to Palestia and Palestine.

        I am not sure what Australia has to do with this, beyond the fact that like Canada, US, New Zealand, South Africa it was a British colonisation project centuries ago, not decades, in times when such things happened commonly and perhaps in an evolutionary sense needed to.

        But, if you want to cite other nations founded through colonisation in relatively recent history, can I take it you accept that Israel, like all of the others, including Australia needs to create one state where indigenous and coloniser have equal rights and where the colonisers say sorry and make redress for the wrongs of their foundation?

        It is not practical to create separate countries for indigenous people in all nations founded through colonisation which is pretty much all of them, but Israel can meet modern standards and do what everyone else has done – full and equal rights for indigenous, sharing the land with the coloniser.

        Jews are members of a religion and don’t have historical rights or all religions would have historical rights. Just because a few Hebrew tribes camped in Canaan/Palestine thousands of years ago, and the evidence is that the fantasies of the Bible are just fantasies in regard to any Israel, but it would not matter if it were true, doesn’t give followers of the religion any rights.

        Christians founded Istanbul and the Greeks founded Alexandria and Barcelona while followers of Minerva founded London….. who cares?

        Religions cannot be indigenous because they take converts and move around the world. Jews, like all religions comprise all races and dozens of nationalities. They may be indigenous, like other religions to dozens of countries but just because some of their members spent time in Palestine, it doesn’t make them indigenous to Palestine. Although there were some Palestinian Jews along with Palestinian Christians and Muslims but it was the Palestinian which was indigenous, not the religion.

        If that were the case, all religions would confer indigenous status and if that happened then Jews would have dibs on a bit of Iraq where their religion was invented and Christians would have dibs on Palestine where their religion was invented. So, either way you look at it, Jews, even if they did get rights, which they don’t would never have rights to Palestine.

        Religions do not get homelands and do not make a people beyond religious metaphor and certainly do not make a race. The first Jew, like the first Christian was a convert.

        If you drop Judaism, as my ancestors sensibly did, along with a raft of other religions, also dropped, then you do not change race or nationality but you are no longer Jewish.

        You cannot drop your indigenous or racial nature, and you cannot convert to another race or convert to being indigenous. That is the salient difference.

      • Mooser
        November 13, 2016, 1:05 pm

        “The entitlement exists only in the fevered minds of hateful and immoral Zio-supremacists and in the minds of those who have been brainwashed by Zio-supremacists.”?

        Don’t be flippant about it. An entitlement which exists in the minds of most of a group of 2 billion human beings is not easily explained away or resisted.
        And look at the growth! There were only 180 million of us a few weeks ago. There’s simply no gainsaying this burgeoning nation.

      • jon s
        November 13, 2016, 3:51 pm

        Mhughes976,
        The verse in Isaiah refers to the Philistines:
        “Rejoice not, Philistia, all of you, that the rod that smote you has been broken, for, from the root of a snake shall emanate a venomous serpent, and his offspring is a fiery flying serpent.”

      • Mooser
        November 13, 2016, 4:59 pm

        “The verse in Isaiah refers to the Philistines: “Rejoice not, Philistia, all of you, that the rod that smote you has been broken, for, from the root of a snake shall emanate a venomous serpent, and his offspring is a fiery flying serpent.”

        Ah-ha, so that’s where – Ayelet Shaked got all the “little snakes” stuff.

        It’s nice to know Israeli policy has a good scriptural background.

      • talknic
        November 13, 2016, 10:20 pm

        @ Mayhem does a little Ziopoop dance

        “White settlement in Australia was a full-blooded colonial project …”

        Operative word being “was”. Israeli colonization and dispossession in non-Israeli territories continues today in breach of current International Law and the UN Charter.

        “with nobody suggesting that the aborigines (local inhabitants at the time of white settlement) should be given a country of their own”

        Their rights to huge tracts of traditional land is being recognized and they receive royalties on mining rights etc. It’s been a hard fight and there’s more to be done.

        Meanwhile Israel continues to dispossess and exploit non-Israeli resources, except for token and cheap labour, Israel pays the rightful inhabitants NO THING! NADA! NIL!

        “In Israel’s case the Jews have the Jewish historical heritage that goes back thousands of years. The Jews stem from the true indigenous population of Palestine going way way back. Therefore they have an entitlement that goes way beyond what sufficed for the colonial enterprises in Australia, US, Canada etc”

        Interesting theory. However, it’s completely irrelevant to the recognized sovereign extent of the State of Israel and that state’s illegal activities outside of that state’s territories.

        BTW When our historical Jewish forefathers invaded the territory, it wasn’t empty of non-Jews and it hasn’t been empty of non-Jews to the present day

      • zaid
        November 13, 2016, 11:31 pm

        “the Jews have the Jewish historical heritage that goes back thousands of years.”

        National Myths and Hallucinations does not entitle you to anything.

      • MHughes976
        November 14, 2016, 6:27 am

        I did re-read Isaiah 14:29 before mentioning it, jon! It certainly doesn’t prove the extent of Palestine at any point in time but I think it fair to have mentioned it to illustrate the fact that Palestine is not, for the purposes of ancient history, a made-up name. There’s a limit to the extraction of geography from poetry, of course, but I think that the prophet’s making a point of calling it ‘the whole of Palestine’, which suggests that he was thinking of something quite extensive, is quite interesting. The Greek version ‘all you foreigners’ dispenses with the idea of any specific territory but manages to suggest that quite a few people, ‘foreign’ dwellers in the Holy Land, are involved.
        I don’t know if you think that we reasonably identify a name that was in common use for ‘the whole’ of Israel/Palestine either at the time when Isaiah’s oracle is set dramatically, the late 700s, or at the time when the collection of oracles was being edited, presumably a couple of centuries later?

      • jon s
        November 15, 2016, 4:42 pm

        Mhughes,
        Isaiah is prophesying the defeat and destruction of the Philistines. “Philistia” (פלשת in the Hebrew) could mean both the Philistine people and their territory, which was along the southern coastal plane , around where Ashdod , Ashkelon and Gaza are today. In later years the term “Palestine” , apparently derived from Philistia, came to be used for the entire country, long after the Philistines themselves disappeared as a distinct identity. The Romans erased the name Judea, after the two disastrous Jewish revolts, replacing it with Palestine.

      • Mooser
        November 15, 2016, 5:57 pm

        “The Romans erased the name Judea, after the two disastrous Jewish revolts,”

        Not to mention the disastrous Jewish infighting. And lack of numbers. But this time you will get it right, “Jon s”. The God of History owes you something.

      • echinococcus
        November 15, 2016, 6:21 pm

        John S,

        The vagaries of the official use of different regional unit names in ancient times for Palestine, so known as one of the Three Syrias up to now since fairly ancient Egyptian dynasties, are none of the Zionists’ business because there is nothing in ancient history or modern history that can be a legitimate point of discussion to justify the Zionist colonial invasion. So all your droning is only creating repulsion.

      • MHughes976
        November 16, 2016, 4:14 pm

        I don’t know how far we’re in disagreement, jon?

      • Mooser
        November 16, 2016, 4:47 pm

        “So all your droning is only creating repulsion.”

        “Echin”! What could the only possible reason be for disliking or worse, not believing “Jon s” implicitly?

        Anyway, I try to keep out of chair’s length from him.

      • jon s
        November 17, 2016, 3:23 pm

        MHughes,
        Well, commenters on MW are not obligated to always disagree …

  2. talknic
    November 11, 2016, 8:39 pm

    Sheldon Adelson “… believes Palestinians are a ‘made up people’”

    Zionist supporters of Israel’s crimes don’t ‘believe’, they attempt to justify by spouting crappolla

  3. iResistDe4iAm
    November 11, 2016, 11:19 pm

    “He prayed to God that some day there would be a place that Jewish people would not be subject to the whips and swords of the Cossacks and other bigots” ~ Sheldon Adelson

    Well maybe he can relate to the “prayers to God that some day there would be a place (in their ancestral homeland) that Palestinian people would not be subject to the bombs and missiles of the Israelis and other bigots”.

    Selective morality is the epitome of immorality.

    • Mooser
      November 12, 2016, 12:40 pm

      “He prayed to God that some day there would be a place that Jewish people would not be subject to the whips and swords of the Cossacks and other bigots”

      What a beautiful dream! A place where Jews could even own casinos, or get involved in finance, or manufacturing, or education or science or law. And be frum or practice our religion any way we please.

      A place where the first right is “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof” and the Jews are fust-cless citizens.

      Oh, it’s just a crazy dream. There’s never been any place like that. Well, I gotta go, I’ve got Cossacks lined up waiting to wield their whips.

      • Mooser
        November 12, 2016, 2:15 pm

        Ouch! That smarts! Easy there Yostremski! Leave something for the other Cossacks. They’re lined up around the corner, smoking full Oriental Pipe Mixture, redolent with exotic Syrian Latakia, and singing “Samovar Over the Rainbow”.

  4. Ossinev
    November 12, 2016, 7:03 am

    “I am not Israeli, the uniform that I wore in the military unfortunately was not an Israeli uniform, it was an American uniform”

    America must be so proud to have “patriots” who can say that unfortunately they had to wear an American military uniform.

    But then again following this creep`s “logic” Americans are a made up people.

  5. just
    November 12, 2016, 10:16 am

    “I am not Israeli, the uniform that I wore in the military unfortunately was not an Israeli uniform, it was an American uniform, although my wife was in the IDF, and one of my daughters was in the IDF, and my two little boys — our two little boys one of whom will be bar mitzvahed tomorrow… hopefully he’ll come back [to Israel], his hobby is shooting and he’ll come back and be a sniper for the IDF….

    All we care about is being good Zionists, being good citizens of Israel, because even though I am not Israeli born, Israel is in my heart.”

    The people who support Trump should be so proud to read this on Veterans Day… or any day. Born in Dorchester… now a really rich and dodgy mogul who has a foreign country in “his heart”. He bought GW and brought the neocons into the WH and it appears that he bought casino Trump, too.

    • rosross
      November 12, 2016, 11:34 am

      It is the Zionist/Jewish/Israeli influence in American politics which is actually more dangerous for American Jews than the Palestinians.

      Whatever Israel does the Palestinians have right on their side and Israel cannot kill them all, which would be the only way to ‘solve’ their problem because simply driving them out would do no more than add nearly six million Palestinians to the 8 million in the diaspora – they would still be there, waiting to go home.

      However, Americans are increasingly angry about their political system and if it becomes common knowledge that Jewish interests are controlling or dictating that system, then it will make American Jews vulnerable, and that is a very different ball game to the Palestinian issue.

      And while the Zionist goal is for disaffected Jews around the world to rush to Palestine as settlers, that is hardly what most American Jews would want, nor what would or could be possible.

      These are dangerous times, but not for the Palestinians.

      • Mooser
        November 12, 2016, 1:02 pm

        “These are dangerous times, but not for the Palestinians.”

        Your comment, I am almost sure, will be as balm, a comfort and a blessing to any Palestinian who reads it.

      • Annie Robbins
        November 12, 2016, 1:24 pm

        It is the Zionist/Jewish/Israeli influence in American politics which is actually more dangerous for American Jews than the Palestinians.

        wow, i heard there were 50 palestinians picked up for administrative detention the other day — no charges. what exactly do you think american jews are experiencing that is “actually” more dangerous than that. do you think our government is going to start rounding up the jews. build walls around them and mow the grass/bomb them — which is a real almost a certainty w/gaza over the next few years. this statement is almost breathtaking in its (lack of) scope rosross. i’m flabbergasted. do you think we’ll start bulldozing jewish homes.

      • Mooser
        November 12, 2016, 2:08 pm

        “However, Americans are increasingly angry about their political system and if it becomes common knowledge that Jewish interests are controlling or dictating that system”

        Oh, I’m seeing it already. Some of Trumps followers are very angry with “Jewish interests” for forcing Civil Rights legislation, dictating progressive education policies what ruined our public school, and pushing a gender-neutral equality what’s gonna ruin our children’s morals after school. Not to mention what “Jewish interests” have done to our financial system! How many people forced into bankruptcy by “that system”? They are angry at those Jews.
        What the Zionists do in Israel, and the US supporting them doesn’t seem to bother the Trumpers that much, if at all.

      • rosross
        November 12, 2016, 2:38 pm

        @ Mooser,

        I don’t see why it would be a balm to Palestinians who are concerned with their own suffering. It is of course just an opinion, but a fairly logical one and that is why sites like Mondweiss are important because American Jews have to decide what comes first, their religion or their nationality.

        The divided loyalties toward Israel serve no healthy purpose for the United States.

      • rosross
        November 12, 2016, 2:45 pm

        @Annie Robbines, I think you completely misinterpreted what I was saying. However, perhaps I expressed myself poorly.

        My point was that Israel makes things very hard, traumatic for the Palestinians, but there is an issue, as the above article demonstrates, for some, perhaps many American Jews in regards to national loyalties.

        And I was not talking about now, but about possible future outcomes.

        Do I think people are likely to be rounded up? No I do not because while a country like Israel can for the moment get away with things like that, democratic and developed nations, including the US cannot and anyway, there are democratic systems at work to prevent it.

        However, we live in times of change and I merely sought to make the point that there is anger in the American electorate and if the disproportionate influence on the American political system and Government, of Israeli/Zionist/Jewish agendas becomes better known, then it could make for dangerous times for those who support them or who are associated with them.

        The point really is that the Palestinians may suffer and die in some numbers but ultimately they will be free because they have justice on their side, but meddling and interference in American politics and Government in support of a foreign nation, Israel, and an occupier to boot, is a venture into unpredictable and potentially dangerous territory, depending upon how unstable things become in American society.

        Adelson basically said his loyalty is to Israel and that is neither wise nor right. Because Israel claims to speak for Jews and Judaism, it is increasingly important, particularly in the US, that Jews take a stand to counter this disinformation. That is beginning to happen and Mondoweiss is a part of it, but the heartland of the US, is not likely to access sites like this and so countering of Israel’s claims, is something which needs to be done effectively and in ways which reach everyone.

        Otherwise there is a potential for danger.

      • rosross
        November 12, 2016, 3:20 pm

        @ Mooser,

        I blame jetlag. I missed your satirical tone.

      • rosross
        November 13, 2016, 12:19 pm

        @ Mooser,

        This is not about some Trump followers but about the society in general. As it was many middle class, and a lot of ex-middle class men and women voted for Trump.

      • Mooser
        November 13, 2016, 1:54 pm

        . “As it was many middle class, and a lot of ex-middle class men and women voted for Trump.”

        Of course they did. After all he promised “to make their dreams come true”. I heard him.
        Why wouldn’t you vote for somebody who can and will make your dreams come true?

        Hilary, I’m sure I don’t have to mention, couldn’t promise anything close to that.

  6. James Canning
    November 12, 2016, 10:39 am

    Sheldon Adelson does his best to prevent an end to the Israeli occupation of the West Bank. Perhaps Trump will take a moment or two to consider the implications of an Israeli failure to end that occupation.

  7. Steve Grover
    November 13, 2016, 2:03 pm

    Phil,
    Thanks for making the case for Sheldon Adelson getting the Nobel Peace Prize. What will the be the % of Nobel Prizes going to Jewish people be after the addition of Bob Dylan’s Literature Prize and Sheldon Adelson’s potential Peace Prize (thanks to Phil Weiss)?

    • (((James North)))
      November 13, 2016, 2:15 pm

      Mooser: !!! (I’m speechless at your sock puppet.)

    • Mooser
      November 13, 2016, 5:02 pm

      “Mooser: !!! (I’m speechless at your sock puppet.)”

      So am I! I thought Bob Dylan converted at some point. Oh well, you gotta serve somebody.

      And Grover is always self-servicing.

  8. Ossinev
    November 13, 2016, 2:04 pm

    @Mayhem
    “In Israel’s case the Jews have the Jewish historical heritage that goes back thousands of years. The Jews stem from the true indigenous population of Palestine going way way back”

    22 carat gold bollocks. Jews are followers /practitioners of a specific ( some would say weird what with the circumcision and the ritual slaughter etc ) religious cult which apparently originated in Mesopotamia before migrating to what was Palestine/ Philistine where they set up a new Judean Kingdom which apparently didn`t see eye to eye with another neighbouring new Jewish Kingdom Samaria. Eventually the Romans came along and got very annoyed with these people who practiced Judaism (albeit with a fair old sprinkling of paganism ) because they refused to have anything to do with Pax Romana. So the Romans subdued them and destroyed their cult HQ in Jerusalem. The wailing then began with some of the local Jews grabbing the greatest victims in the history of victimhood trademark on the basis of them all having been forcibly expelled from their “ancient homeland ” even though archeological research has now shown that this was very much a myth – apparently the majority stayed and made do with a very comfortable and commercially successful Pax Romana in Roman Palestine.And along came the Christians who set up stall in what is the claimed Mark 2 “ancient homeland “( patent still pending) All this thousands of years after the real ancient homelanders in the region , the Neanderthals who had their own weird religious cults , had matured into Stone Age / Bronze Age / Iron Age locals.Then along came the Arab Muslims ( also ex Mesopotamia / Saudia Arabia to what was to become the Arab Muslim “ancient homeland ” = Mark 3 Then along came the Crusaders who briefly restored the Mark 2 Christian “ancient homeland” before Saladin came along and booted them out ( I don`t think the Crusaders were the wailing eternal victims type – they just went back to Europe and concentrated on jousting and the occasional war ).

    Meanwhile some of the Mark 1 post Neanderthal etc “Ancient Homelanders ” had remained in Palestine and adapted to Arab Muslim ways and spread out through the Arab World mostly chasing commercial opportunities. A lot of the wailing claimed Mark I “ancient homelanders” were also apparently mass converts to Judaism who actually originated in the Near East and East of Europe.

    Anyway end of the potted history tour. Mayhem can you please point me in the right direction by any chance. As a lapsed Christian can you advise where to apply for the Christian equivalent of “Aliyah” if I unlapse. I fancy going back to my ancient homeland and grabbing one of those fantastic heavily subsidised deals in a nice little hilltop settlement. Would need at least two bedrooms and access to a swimming pool as I would like to rent it out as a holiday let after returning to Western Civilization.

    • Mooser
      November 13, 2016, 5:05 pm

      “Anyway end of the potted history tour”

      Well, there’s the Jewish existential dilemma!
      You can go to Hillel in a hand-basket, or find out what made Shammai run.

  9. talknic
    November 16, 2016, 3:35 am

    @Mayhem
    “In Israel’s case the Jews have the Jewish historical heritage that goes back thousands of years. The Jews stem from the true indigenous population of Palestine going way way back”

    BULLSH*T!

    Can you explain please the features of these Chinese Jews?

    Or the features of the Jewish actress Sophie Okonedo?

    Or of these Japanese Jews?

    Or Kaifeng’s Jews?

    I await your honest reply …

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