Sanders says fight among Democrats is to go ‘beyond identity politics’ and stand for all working people

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Everyone is talking about Bernie Sanders’s comments on identity politics. On Sunday night in Boston, the Vermont Senator and progressive hero gave a speech, first fully reported by Boston Magazine, where he said that identity politics was going to be the big struggle inside the Democratic Party. Because the party was not connected to the working class, and that’s why Donald Trump won.

At minute 39, the moderator passed along the first question, from an audience member named Rebecca who described Sens. Elizabeth Warren and Sanders as her heroes and said, “I want to be the second Latina senator in history. Any tips?”

Sanders:

Let me respond in a way that the questioner may not be happy with. It goes without saying that as we fight to end all forms of discrimination, as we fight to bring more and more women into the political process, Latinos, African Americans, Native Americans– all of that is enormously important.

And count me in as somebody who wants to see that happen. But it is not good enough for somebody to say, Hey I’m a Latina vote for me. That is not good enough. I have to know if that Latina is going to stand up with the working class of this country and take on big money interests.

Now one of the problems, one of the struggles we’re going to have, right now– let me lay it on the table in the Democratic Party– is that it is not good enough for me, to say well we got We have x number of African Americans, we got y number of Latinos, we have z number of women. We are a diverse party, a diverse nation. Not good enough.

We need that diversity, that goes without saying. That is accepted. Right now we have made some progress in getting women into politics. I think we got 20 women in the senate now. We need 50 women in the Senate, we need more African Americans.

But here is my point, and this is where there is going to be a division within the Democratic Party. It is not good enough for somebody to say, I’m a woman, vote for me! No that’s not good enough. What we need is a woman who has the guts to stand up to Wall Street, to the insurance companies, to the drug companies, to the fossil fuel industry.

In other words, one of the struggles that you’re going to be seeing in the Democratic Party is whether we go beyond identity politics. You know, I think it’s a step forward in America if you have an African American CEO of some major corporation. But you know what, if that guy is going to be shipping jobs out of this country and exploiting his workers, it doesn’t mean a whole hell of a lot whether he’s black or white or Latino.

Alright, I know some people may not agree with me. But that is the fight that we’re going to have right now within the Democratic Party. The working class of this country is being decimated. That’s why Donald Trump won. And what we need now are candidates who stand with those working people, who understand that real median family income has gone down. That young people in many parts of this country have a very limited future. That life expectancy for many workers is going down. People can’t afford health care, can’t afford their medicine, can’t afford to send their kids to college.

We need candidates, black and white and Latino and gay and male, we need all of that. But we need all of those candidates and public officials to have the guts to stand up to the oligarchy. That is the fight of today.

So I say to … Rebecca, I would be delighted to support her. But it is not good enough that you’re a woman, not good enough that you’re a Latina. You’re going to have to tell me how you stand on the major issues facing this country and whether you have the guts to take on big money.

By the way, Sanders also said this re elites:

Donald Trump won the white working class overwhelmingly. I think he got 72 percent of white male workers who did not go to college. I think he won women who did not go to college by 20 points. And what we have got to do is create a party which absolutely, and I hope I have made the point as strongly as I can, we will not tolerate one iota of racism, sexism, xenophobia, homophobia… But what we have got to do is be a party of white workers, black workers, Latino workers, women workers, that has got to be the cutting edge, and not a party dominated, and I know these are good meaning people…. they go to fundraisers and contribute $10,000. That’s great, that money is well needed… But at the end of the day the party has to be led by working class people who are standing up and fighting for their futures. That’s the future as I see it…

For forty years the middle class of this country has been in decline…and if you go all over this country, you see enormous pain and confusion as to why the people on top make huge amounts of money while the middle class continues to shrink and 43 million Americans live in poverty.

 

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  1. pabelmont
    November 23, 2016, 11:15 am

    You tell ’em, Bernie!

    • JWalters
      November 23, 2016, 9:15 pm

      Even though the oligarchy knocked him down, Bernie established himself as a voice that cannot be ignored. A very valuable voice.

  2. ritzl
    November 23, 2016, 12:05 pm

    Yup. Is this even debatable?

    Oops. Bad question. There does seem to be a faction of the perpetual opposition that revels in angry ineffective-ness-dom-ism. Better question, is it a majority?

    Go Corbyn!

  3. amigo
    November 23, 2016, 2:27 pm

    Bernie is an admiral person but he let us down when he gave in on the Dem platform on Palestinian issues.As an internationalist and progressive he should have stood his ground.

    • echinococcus
      December 2, 2016, 12:07 pm

      Amigo,

      When exactly in his long record was there even any hint that he was “internationalist” in any way or wise? I’ll leave “progressive” to you to define to your taste.

  4. Kathleen
    November 23, 2016, 5:12 pm

    So hope Bernie stays healthy. We are never ever going to witness anyone better run for President than Bernie, Not even Senator Warren,

    One discussion between MSNBC’s Chris Matthews and Bill Maher Matthews says something like Bernie is out next time around, Maher responds by calling CM an “ageist.” Goes on to say that some people are brain dead at 78 and some are still sharp as a tack, So hope that will be the case for Bernie, Look at Carter at 90 whatever he is, Most of us never have the brain capacity he has at 90 something,

    • Maghlawatan
      November 24, 2016, 5:08 am

      Kathleen, there is a saying in German

      Wo Helden nicht vergessen werden kommen immer neue

      Where heroes/heroines are never forgotten there will be new heroes/heroines

      there is a saying in Irish

      Mol an oige agus tiocfaidh si

      Take care of the kids and they will grow up to be fantastic

      Bernie is like John the Baptist. Paving the way.

      • Kathleen
        November 28, 2016, 11:46 pm

        Few have the history and voting record that Bernie has to back up what he says, Ok ok have not supported everything about his voting record, Damn close,

      • echinococcus
        December 2, 2016, 12:08 pm

        Supported including his support for the “two”-party lockdown?

  5. Keith
    November 23, 2016, 5:27 pm

    The Democratic Party is the graveyard of progressive politics and Bernie Sanders continues in his role as the mortician’s sheep dog. Reality may be a bummer, but delusions have their price.

    • Kathleen
      December 2, 2016, 8:49 am

      Did you go to any of the Sanders events? The involvement and enthusiasm of hundreds of thousands into the millions of Sanders supporters was beyond palpable,

      Pelosi and the old guard have no idea how to harness that energy and involvement, Too tarnished, They need Bernie and those who supported and support Bernie bad, Even Warren cannot harness that energy like Bernie. Everyone is well aware that she did not have the integrity and will to support Bernie,

      When I went to a Trump rally north of Dayton Ohio this past summer just to talk with some of his supporters. Many liked what Bernie was saying and representing, Although of course reactionary to how the msm always painted him as a SOCIALIST,

      The 2018 mid term will be on us in no time, With the old guards losing streak not looking good for Dems

      • echinococcus
        December 2, 2016, 11:28 am

        Kathleen,

        Don’t you Democrats ever get a lesson, even after the last self-inflicted beating? Still trying to get that dead horse of a “two”-party mafia back to life? Can’t understand that only the class that owns a party determines its policies, not the peons? Your new guard is only there as the shepherd dog of the old guard, defending the same policy of imperialist interests.

        Already back with Democratic propaganda for next year –people wouldn’t really begrudge you your peculiar way of having fun, were it not for the so many others who suffer the consequences. When you work so hard not to leave any legal choice to a desperate people, you force a Trump as only exit.

        Anyway, it’s all about Zionist-internal stuff.

      • Annie Robbins
        December 2, 2016, 11:45 am

        Already back with Democratic propaganda for next year

        what exactly was it she said that set you off? “the old guards losing streak not looking good for Dems”? please explain.

      • echinococcus
        December 2, 2016, 2:44 pm

        Annie,

        Perhaps you shouldn’t have asked. What set me off is all in the post.

        One: the “new” guard is part of the imperialist single party, Democratic wing.
        Two: The pretend-new guard boss has just played the shepherd dog to gather back to the fold a huge potential of voters tending to become independent, and delivered them even though he gave the game away in public –and see the Dims continuing with the same learning disability anyway, after some 60 years.
        Three: as far as our common target is considered, this is a Zionist-internal fight (“liberals/seculars” vs “hawks/religious” or any other supposed dichotomy), about how to present and market invasion and procrastination while genociding; not at all about what is being done.
        Four: the goddam liberals who helped so decisively to keep the “duopoly” single-party absence of choice were the main element that brought the lesser “evil”, Trump, upon us. Some bashing of the “liberals” and their regularly and almost inevitably catastrophic action is in order as long as they continue to grace us with wall-to-wall partisan propaganda everywhere, from newspapers to general-interest web sites and special-interest sites like this one, and from the living-room to the restroom.

      • Annie Robbins
        December 2, 2016, 3:20 pm

        Some bashing of the “liberals” and their regularly and almost inevitably catastrophic action is in order as long as they continue to grace us with wall-to-wall partisan propaganda everywhere

        ok, but again, you chose not to highlight any one thing she said. the way i read it kathleen responded to keith’s comment (which was awesome), not by addressing sanders or who he is or what he represents, but the crowds following him:

        The involvement and enthusiasm of hundreds of thousands into the millions of Sanders supporters was beyond palpable

        is that statement propaganda? did it set you off? the party is imperialist, the voters not so much. the dem party will become extinct in its present form. one of the outcomes i had hoped for pre election, was that if trump won it would end the 2 party system because the dem party would crack down the middle. because there is no option for people who distain both parties. but i do think the only way the dems could survive is by capturing those voters kathleen talks about. i don’t think anything she said was propaganda. i also think it’s practically impossible the dnc (in its current form) would get behind the kind of candidate sanders represented during his campaign — they would never allow it.

        anyway, it seems to me you always think some bashing is in order. as if perhaps you can’t communicate otherwise. calling someone a propagandist is an insult and implies an intention to promote. it’s her opinion. if you don’t respect it tell her why or argue against it. but accusing her of being a propagandist is an ad hominem and a weak position to argue from, a bully tactic.

        i think kathleen is an valuable member of this community (needless to say i don’t always agree with her), so your attitude is offensive to me.

      • echinococcus
        December 2, 2016, 3:35 pm

      • echinococcus
        December 2, 2016, 3:54 pm

        not by addressing sanders or who he is or what he represents, but the crowds following him:

        The involvement and enthusiasm of hundreds of thousands into the millions of Sanders
        supporters was beyond palpable

        is that statement propaganda?

        Crowds? Mussolini gathered huge crowds. Any demagogue gathers crowds.

        the party is imperialist, the voters not so much.

        Sure. The peons are not the owners and only the class interest of the owners are the target of any one party. That’s why we have a single party.

        the dem party will become extinct in its present form

        The form will always be that of pursuing the interests of the imperialist ruling class. Sometimes it has to throw a bone to the lower orders, sure. 1930, WWII, of course. Is that enough to imagine it going “back” to what it never was (it was the slaveowner party before being the preferred imperialist monopoly capital party.)

        one of the outcomes i had hoped for pre election, was that if trump won it would end the 2 party system because the dem party would crack down the middle.

        Very commendable. My hope too. But “crack” it all you want, the ruling class will keep its party/parties and fight tooth and nail against a civilized democracy with multiple parties and proportional representation, with the assistance of mountebanks like BS.

        but accusing her of being a propagandist is an ad hominem

        No, it is not. Pushing propaganda, especially where it is liable to be divisive, is being a propagandist; it is an objective observation, not disparaging at all. And it is not only germane but essential to the discussion.

        i think kathleen is an valuable member of this community (needless to say i don’t always agree with her)

        Same for me: I did often agree with her –on other, Palestine-related topics, needless to say. I very much appreciate her critical thinking when not blocked by partisanship.

        so your attitude is offensive to me

        Sorry, and with apologies to you and Kathleen if she took offense, I don’t know how to be sweetness and light when expressing an opinion. Never learned manners.

      • Annie Robbins
        December 2, 2016, 5:36 pm

        i didn’t mean sweetness and light. i just think there’s a difference between disagreeing with someone and accusing them, in their honest opinion, of being a propagandists. we had a conversation here recently about propaganda, the intent being to use or promote (or publicize) a particular point of view – for political purposes or to sell something to the public. it’s not the same as expressing ones ideas. and i do think accusing someone of spreading propaganda and referencing her argument as a “god damned liberal” who “helped so decisively to keep the “duopoly” single-party absence of choice” implies you think her intention was this outcome. if i called you a propagandists, without actually addressing your points, that would be an insult in place of an argument. so no sweetness and light are necessary to simply disagree with someone and vigorously argue otherwise. anyway, thank you for apologizing (and listening).

      • Keith
        December 2, 2016, 5:51 pm

        KATHLEEN- “Did you go to any of the Sanders events?”

        No. I know who and what Sanders is and have no desire to feel the Bern surrounded by those who decide to delude themselves. Actions speak louder than words. By his enthusiastic support for warmonger Hillary and her neoliberal policies, Sanders confirmed that he is a Democratic Party loyalist and a liar, something which I and others were aware of right from the get-go. You simply cannot reform the Democratic Party without losing the financial support of the fat-cats and Zionists, in which case you will quickly revert to Third Party status. That is the reality. If you take comfort in soothing lies and fictions, then you are part of the problem. I might add that although I financially contributed to Jill Stein and voted for her, her recount activities largely financed by fat-cat Democrats will result in the destruction of the Green Party which has now obviously morphed into an adjunct of the Democratic Party in similar fashion to Moveon.org. It is a cold, cruel world Kathleen, but knowing the truth has certain advantages. I leave you with a quote from Noam Chomsky.

        “We live entangled in webs of endless deceit, often self-deceit, but with a little honest effort, it is possible to extricate ourselves from them. If we do, we will see a world that is rather different from the one presented to us by a remarkably effective ideological system, a world that is much uglier, often horrifying.” (Noam Chomsky)

      • Sibiriak
        December 2, 2016, 10:52 pm

        Keith: […] although I financially contributed to Jill Stein and voted for her, her recount activities largely financed by fat-cat Democrats will result in the destruction of the Green Party which has now obviously morphed into an adjunct of the Democratic Party in similar fashion to Moveon.org
        ———————-

        Please, please, the Stein recount activities are desperately needed to counter ex-KGB Putin’s intolerable interference in American democracy:

        The subject of recounts in these states first arose late Tuesday when New York Magazine reported that election security experts were urging Hillary Clinton’s campaign to contest the results there, citing suspicious results.

        One of those experts, University of Michigan professor J. Alex Halderman , subsequently clarified that he did not have evidence suggesting that the election had been hacked. But he nonetheless recommended that the key states undertake a full audit — a procedure separate from a recount in which the voting technology itself is tested.

        The FBI confirmed during the campaign that hackers had penetrated two states’ voter registration systems. But when the Obama administration blamed Russia for election-season cyberattacks , it said it could not declare with confidence that Russia had been behind the voter-database hacks.

        http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/jill-stein-recount-three-states-election-hacks-231814

        —————————-
        Green Recount Effort Poised to Explore Whether Russia Hacked the Vote for Trump

        Investigating Russia’s role in interfering and with possibly hacking the 2016 presidential election vote is at the center of the Green Party-led recount effort.

        […] “This election cycle was unique in the degree of foreign interference witnessed throughout the campaign: the U.S. government concluded that Russian state actors were behind the hacks of the Democratic National Committee and the personal email accounts of Hillary for America campaign officials and just yesterday, the Washington Post reported that the Russian government was behind much of the ‘fake news’ propaganda that circulated online in the closing weeks of the election,” Elias wrote on Medium.com, then elaborating about their private investigative efforts to assess the impact of Russian interference in the campaign.

        Going even further, the first recount petition filed by the Greens, in Wisconsin, primarily focused on Russian hacking , not on the more easily understood line of inquiry of different voting technologies reporting different margins of victory for Trump despite their locations. The Green’s petition opens by stating they believe “an irregularity” has occurred affecting the entire state. It goes on to say that in August, “foreign operators breached voter registration databases in at least two states and stole hundreds of thousands of voter records” at the same time the email systems of the Democratic National Committee and Clinton campaign were hacked and put online.

        * * *
        [..]The first piece of supporting evidence is an affidavit byJ. Alex Halderman, a University of Michigan professor of computer science and engineering, and director of the Center for Computer Security and Society based in Ann Arbor. He was part of the team set up by California’s ex-Secretary of State, Debra Bowen, that reviewed the vulnerability of its electronic voting systems and led to the state banning the same machines used in Wisconsin.

        Russia tried to breach voter registration databases in 20 states last summer, Halderman said, citing the Department of Homeland Security as his source. “Russia has sophisticated cyber-offensive capabilities, and it has shown a willingness to use them to hack elections elsewhere. For instance, according to published reports, during the 2014 presidential election in Ukraine, attackers linked to Russia sabotaged Ukraine’s vote-counting infrastructure, and Ukranian officials succeeded only at the last minute in defusing the vote-stealing malware that could have caused the wrong winner to be announced,” he wrote,

        * * *
        […] the upcoming presidential recount is going to be controversial and headed into court at many steps along the way. It also shows that the Greens are taking the lead in advancing the one storyline the Clinton campaign did not get the media to heed—the extent to which Russia may have tampered with America’s voting machinery and tilted the result to a candidate who embraced Vladimir Putin. [emphasis added]

        http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/green-recount-effort-poised-explore-whether-russia-hacked-vote-trump
        ————————

        Isn’t advancing this “storyline” something that neoliberals and neo-progressives can agree on?

      • Keith
        December 3, 2016, 12:46 am

        SIBIRIAK- “Please, please, the Stein recount activities are desperately needed to counter ex-KGB Putin’s intolerable interference in American democracy.”

        Jeez, I wasn’t upset enough before without you throwing salt on my wounds? If true, the Greens under Jill Stein are emulating the German Greens under Joschka Fischer. Oh well, another voice for change totally corrupted. In capitalism, co-option of the opposition is built in to the dynamics of the system.

        Speaking of perversity, why am I virtually alone in being astounded by Modi’s demonetization of India? In capitalism, money is power. Modi has essentially dis-empowered India’s 99% beyond belief. Those 500 rupee notes ($7) cannot be exchanged for 100 rupee notes. The poor will need to open a bank account. Transactions will be monitored and data mined. Social control will shift to the financial sector. A precursor for the US? A global dictatorship of the financial oligarchs? Things are looking grim and grimmer. Why isn’t this more widely discussed?

      • Annie Robbins
        December 3, 2016, 3:09 am

        keith, you are not alone. it freaks me out. i just don’t feel qualified to write about it. but it really seems radical and austere.

      • Sibiriak
        December 3, 2016, 2:24 am

        Keith: Speaking of perversity, why am I virtually alone in being astounded by Modi’s demonetization of India? […]Why isn’t this more widely discussed?
        ——————

        Not the right forum, and not an easy subject for those not versed in political economy. I’ve been following the story over at Naked Capitalism.

        http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/?s=India

      • Maghlawatan
        December 3, 2016, 5:20 am

        Annie it looks daunting but it’s a simple enough economic system that shunts all the money to the top. And it is on the verge of collapse.

      • Annie Robbins
        December 3, 2016, 10:09 am

        that much i understand mag, what i don’t understand is how it is implemented. i understand it is allegedly intended to get rid of a black market and/or enhance the ability for the state to monitor money and enhance taxation. but i don’t understand how it works. if i had the value of $10,000 of these large bills in my closet, would i just lose it automatically because it would have no value? or would the state require me to take it to the bank and register it by turning it in, and they would then replace it by recording it as funds i could access (only) electronically?

      • Keith
        December 3, 2016, 11:09 am

        SIBIRIAK- “Not the right forum….”

        I am not specifically referring to Mondoweiss. I am referring to the sum total of the coverage on the dissident websites I frequent, CounterPunch, Dissident Voice, Global Research, Black Agenda Report, etc. Someone like Michael Hudson should be all over this. I could be way off base but my gut feel is that this has huge, far reaching implications regarding a cashless society, financial control and neofeudalism.

        SIBIRIAK- “…not an easy subject for those not versed in political economy.”

        How much knowledge does it take to understand that making a revolutionary change to the political economy by Presidential proclamation is unprecedented and dangerous? Besides, the essence of capitalism is the monetization of power and folks need to be at least minimally aware of how the financial system operates. Thanks for the link to Naked Capitalism, however, one shouldn’t need to go to specialized websites or sections of the newspaper to find out about something like this which has such apparent import for the global political economy. Besides, the language of economics is mostly BS, economists generally apologists for the system. From time to time I have indicated that the elites will soon need to restructure the global financial system. Is this the start? A controlled experiment in a Third World country? What, me worry?

      • Keith
        December 3, 2016, 11:27 am

        ANNIE- “keith, you are not alone. it freaks me out. i just don’t feel qualified to write about it. but it really seems radical and austere.”

        Nice to know that I am in good company! Sibiriak is probably correct that an article on this would be off topic on Mondoweiss. I may attempt to sneak in a comment from time to time as I learn more, but until a few of the professional analysts I trust delve into this, I, like you, have only vague but dire forebodings.

        My limited understanding of how it works is that Indians will have a limited time to use these notes to deposit in a bank. After that, the 500 and 1000 rupee notes become worthless paper. Can negative interest rates on deposits be far away? The implications for financial control of the citizenry are mind boggling.

      • echinococcus
        December 3, 2016, 11:54 am

        To make the probably off-topic excursion short, it’s not “the Greens under Jill Stein” who launched the recount insanity, but probably a few still-nostalgic-Dim advisers on the campaign (including David Cobb of 2004 Ohio recount disaster fame) and Dr. Stein. The Steering Committee refused to participate, so it is run only by the Stein for President campaign, and that without the participation of its VP Ajamu Baraka. I doubt that many Greens gave money for that. Must be Sandersites and Soros.

      • Sibiriak
        January 12, 2017, 9:22 am

        KEITH: […]Modi’s demonetization of India? In capitalism, money is power. Modi has essentially dis-empowered India’s 99% beyond belief.
        ——————-

        Interesting analysis here from a German blogger:

        “A well-kept open secret: Washington is behind India’s brutal experiment of abolishing most cash”

        After identifying the USAID/Gates-Foundation/Ford Foundation et al. “Better Than Cash Alliance” connections to Modi’s policy, the author discusses the underlying U.S. motives:

        The business interests of the US-companies that dominate the gobal IT business and payment systems are an important reason for the zeal of the US-government in its push to reduce cash use worldwide, but it is not the only one and might not be the most important one.

        Another motive is surveillance power that goes with increased use of digital payment. US-intelligence organizations and IT-companies together can survey all international payments done through banks and can monitor most of the general stream of digital data. Financial data tends to be the most important and valuable.

        Even more importantly, the status of the dollar as the worlds currency of reference and the dominance of US companies in international finance provide the US government with tremendous power over all participants in the formal non-cash financial system. It can make everybody conform to American law rather than to their local or international rules.

        http://norberthaering.de/en/home/27-german/news/745-washington-s-role-in-india#weiterlesen

  6. catalan
    November 23, 2016, 6:24 pm

    I just want to thank you guys for agitating against Hillary. I am confident that Trump will be a fabulous president for rich people (like me for instance). Heck, he already has been, just look at the stock market the last few weeks. You rock!

    • Mooser
      November 23, 2016, 7:31 pm

      “Trump will be a fabulous president for rich people (like me for instance)”

      Naturally. I’m sure Trump is saying “Make sure “catalan” gets his!”

    • Keith
      November 23, 2016, 11:34 pm

      CATALAN- “I just want to thank you guys for agitating against Hillary. I am confident that Trump will be a fabulous president for rich people (like me for instance).”

      You are very welcome! At least we will be alive to whine about our predicament even as we toast your good fortune. Prediction- Trump’s highest priority will be to get congress to approve his huge tax cut for the wealthy and corporations which will be sold to his supporters as a means to revive the economy. In actuality, it will be the final theft before structural adjustment of the financial system. But at least I will be alive to whine about it.

    • Maghlawatan
      November 24, 2016, 5:30 am

      Catalan, habibi,. The market thinks Trump can generate growth with $1 trillion in spending-.

      $1 tn is what the 1% took out of the SnP 500 this year via share buybacks.

      Credit card data are execrable. The real economy is broken

      Watch the Fed over the next few months and remember the pussycat dolls when they start making promises they cannot deliver . Also remember that no Financial asset has an intrinsic value

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCLxJd1d84s

  7. Maghlawatan
    November 24, 2016, 5:34 am

    Trump’s Victory was a betrayal of non whites and women. Neoliberalism is dead.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/09/globalisation-dead-white-supremacy-trump-neoliberal

  8. HarryLaw
    November 24, 2016, 11:12 am

    I agree with Sanders, here in the UK the first person to challenge J Corbyn was Angela Eagle who described herself as a working class woman from the North of England, [so vote for me the first woman leader of the party]. That is simply not good enough, what are her policies? Well for a start she supported the Iraq war, then she voted twice against having an inquiry into it. She was considered to be a right wing Blair supporter. Let us suppose, in an imaginary scenario, a male candidate opposed her, and he happened to be a wealthy ex member of the landed gentry, someone like Tony Benn unfortunately now deceased [formally Lord Stansgate ] It goes without saying that in ‘identity’ politics the membership would choose the ‘woman from the North’ even though she espoused right wing views, and reject someone like Tony Benn, who had supported Corbyn for many years and was far more in tune with the Labour party membership.

    • Maghlawatan
      November 24, 2016, 6:11 pm

      It’s all about timing, Politics is in chaos because working people have been shafted for so long the plebs aren’t going to take it any more. And they choose Trump and Brexit and have to bend over.

      The beatings will continue until the left gets its mojo on to defeat the 1% with the only known antidote. The people. This is how it works.

      Why do things we find beautiful undermine power ?

      • Maghlawatan
        November 24, 2016, 6:20 pm

        Where do people think the guts to laugh at the rich in cartoons came from ?

        There were a lot of tears, a lot of meetings, a lot of a ideas developed between 1925
        when Gatsby was written …

        “They were careless people, Tom and Daisy- they smashed up things and creatures and then retreated back into their money or their vast carelessness or whatever it was that kept them together, and let other people clean up the mess they had made.”

        ..and 1947, when Scrooge was invented as a story and a moral for kids. By that time the rich had been politically neutralised and it was safe to tell the kids about them.

        And you don’t get anything by sitting on your ass and whining about how UNFAIR it all is.

  9. Shura
    November 24, 2016, 2:10 pm

    Good on you Bernie Sanders, without people like you this country will be locked in the cave of despair and ignorance.

  10. echinococcus
    December 2, 2016, 11:59 am

    When has Sanders ever even given the time of the day to the working class? He was straightforward during his campaign about what he was doing: claiming some crumbs from the table of shrinking imperialist war profits for the middle class as hush money to continue supporting imperialism. He always called his base what it is: middle class.

    Real key point: he belongs to one of the two wings of the compulsory party (for the delicate who don’t like calling it the single party.)

    Even after having screwed his well-meaning, naive followers in plain daylight, even when proof became public that his boss Clinton II had had to use fraud to pretend to beat him and he resigned –admitting to the fixed game he was playing, he still has the gall to come back and try again to sell his support to imperialism as “socialism”. For “all working people”, no less, who will be so happy to continue as before:

    In the single party belonging to the same imperialist ruling class, two wings pretending to fight over nonsense.

    You can yell all you want about health insurance and pension plans
    but war is untouchable.
    You can rant in “liberal” Zionist language
    but the Zionist invasion and full US support to non-existent “talks” and “right to defend itself” is untouchable.

    There have been many populist-opportunist mountebanks before who suddenly remembered to rename their effort “working-class” when more rhetoric was needed.

    I’m ready to forget BS’ long, ominous record if he apologizes for his warmongering stance (*ongoing as we speak*), gives solid antiwar guarantees with a believable program, and shows a believable way out of the “two-party” comedy.

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