When Sanders changed political reality. And hasbara culture slapped him down.

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This is part of a continuing series by Yakov Hirsch seeking to explain the nature and effect of Hasbara culture. A compilation of his writings for us is here

The shocking Donald Trump victory in the 2016 election has many people wondering what if it had been Bernie Sanders facing off against Donald Trump. How tantalizing does that race seem now? Naturally we hear if Hillary couldn’t beat Trump, how would Sanders? But a little while ago these same voices were convinced Donald Trump was even more unelectable than Sanders. And whatever liabilities a Sanders general election campaign would have, lack of enthusiasm for the candidate wouldn’t be one of them. How refreshing would that be? There is a lot to be said for at least going down with a candidate you can be proud of.

Jeffrey Goldberg epitomizes Hasbara Culture (Photo: Riccardo S. Savi/Getty Images)

Jeffrey Goldberg epitomizes Hasbara Culture (Photo: Riccardo S. Savi/Getty Images)

This two-part article will look at one of Bernie Sanders’s more formidable foes in the Democratic primary. Sanders was up against what I have come to call “hasbara culture.” Hasbara culture is an aggressive and proselytizing understanding of the world. It is a social construction of reality by a minority within the Jewish community. As I have shown in my last couple of articles, Hasbara culturalists experience the word differently than the average American Jew does.  This article will try to shed light on why Bernie Sanders provoked such enmity from the people whose understanding of reality is shaped the most by Hasbara culture.

There are two main reason why Bernie Sanders was such a threat to Hasbara culture. The obvious one is his very progressive position on Israel/Palestine. Hasbara Culture prefers its liberals to be progressive except for Palestine (or PEP). Listen to Hillary Clinton’s speech to AIPAC last March and you will understand why the most important Hasbara culture journalist in the country Jeffrey Goldberg pushed her candidacy so much.

The second  and more interesting thing we explore in this article is why the one group that was trafficking in hate against Bernie Sanders were other Jews. It wasn’t Trump’s neo-Nazis, who hasbara culturalists like Goldberg were so meticulously tracking, who was waging war against Sanders’ “Judaism.” It seems the neo-Nazis couldn’t care less about Sanders’ Jewish background. By contrast, Jeffrey Goldberg and Jamie Kirchick and other Hasbara culturalists seemed to care for little else when attacking the senator from Vermont. Let’s start with the reaction to Sanders’s position on Israel/Palestine.

Recall what now seems like ancient history: during one of the Hillary-Bernie debates, Sanders placed pressure on Hillary from the left on Israel. He caused quite the sensation. It was a totally new and exciting discourse started by a major candidate in a presidential race.

The ADL was displeased. The most influential organization in America concerned with anti-Semitism and human rights leaped into action.

Not everyone was unhappy. This was The Atlantic’s James Fallows’s reaction.

Fallows was expressing a widespread view “re Palestine” that the country needed a “broadening of the acceptable debate.” And Fallows was expressing his approval that Bernie Sanders was publicly  sticking up for Palestinian rights and not backing down.

Notice that Greenblatt and Fallows (and everyone else) at the time were not questioning the significance of the Sanders glasnost attempt on Israel/Palestine. And this is why I use the word “culture.” A new culture on Israel/Palestine was being made by the Bernie culture. This is how politics works. There is no going back now. It takes a Bernie Sanders saying the water is fine in the issue. You can take these positions on Israel and Netanyahu and it’s not the end of the world. It might actually even be good politics. Which is to say, Does the Democratic base want a policy like Hillary Clinton states at AIPAC or like Bernie states in the debate? Answer: Bernie.

Now see something interesting. Look at Jeffrey Goldberg’s response to Fallows:

 

The Fallows tweet creates a psychological and political crisis for Goldberg. First, Goldberg’s narcissism has him believing that the discourse about Israel can only change when he gives the OK. That is merely what he feels his agitation about Jews and Israel over the years have earned him. That explains the Goldbergese condescension “ @Jamesfallows you do realize…” (and Goldberg’s condescension to his peers is a large and rich subject; I will devote special attention to it at a later date).

But more importantly: observe how Goldberg deals with the political crisis of Sanders. He realizes that once the political culture starts changing on these delicate subjects, changing policies are not far behind.

So Goldberg decides, as he often does, to defy reality. He will simply deny that anything changed at all. He is trying to put the proverbial cat back in the bag. Goldberg is claiming that Sanders said nothing new at the debate. “@JamesFallows You do realize that Sanders is saying nothing new about Palestinians? Just read Obama over the past 10 years.”

Goldberg, who has since been elevated to editor in chief of the Atlantic after being determined to be the best journalist of the 500 “current and next generation stars to meet”, is being dishonest here. He knows good and well how big a jolt to the Orwellian discourse on Israel and Palestine Sanders’s New York statement was. Remember: we live in a political culture where both party platforms had no mention of the Israeli occupation, and the Democratic leadership specifically stripped any mention of the suffering in Gaza from its platform.

Mehdi Hassan of Al Jazeera probably was not expecting a response by  Goldberg to this tweet. But he made the point that Goldberg was misrepresenting political reality.

 

Let’s look at another Hasbara culturalist, Jamie Kirchick, go up against reality on whether Sanders said anything new:

Within seconds [of the debate], hosannas from the herd of independent minds poured forth. “Historic” declared The Huffington Post. “Bernie Sanders just shattered an American taboo on Israel,” gushed Vox’s Zack Beauchamp, whose knowledge of the Middle East is so voluminous as to include the imaginative, like the “bridge” connecting Gaza to the West Bank (which, naturally, Israel “limits traffic on.”) “Bravo to Sanders for saying that Israel’s assault on Gaza was disproportionate!” exclaimed Nicholas Kristof of the New York Times. “Truth in a campaign! Wonders never cease!”

In reality, standing up for “Palestinians’ humanity,” as Beauchamp wrote, is as much a “taboo” as being in favor of healthy school lunches or cleaner air and water…

While Sanders’ even-handedness on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is utterly banal…

What Goldberg and Kirchick are doing here is traditional hasbara, denying reality when it comes to Israel and Palestine. They don’t like the change in the discourse on the issue; so they just lie and claim that there hasn’t been any change.

Their thinking is: If we obfuscate enough, things will hopefully go back to normal once Sanders and his crazy ideas are defeated, in coming weeks.

Goldberg and Kirchick are very conscious of their disinformation. They know exactly what they are up to. We will be contrasting those intellectual gymnastics with the culture of hasbara shortly. In hasbara culture, not a lot of thinking goes on. It’s an instinctual culture, as we will see.

The next important Sanders moment was his “notorious” and “disastrous” Daily News interview. The reports of this interview could not be more different from the reality. In recent weeks, I have given examples of the disconnect between reality as we all experience it and hasbara culture’s social construction of reality. Events which mean nothing to the rest of us are experienced as actual reality for hasbara culturalists. (Say when Georgia Rep. Hank Johnson likens settlement-building to termites or when Mahmoud Abbas makes reference to a report about alleged well-poisoning in the West Bank without knowing that it has been debunked and the roof caves in on both of them.)

That is what happened to Sanders.

Here is a reminder of what happened in the real world when Sanders met the Daily News:

“During a recent New York Daily News editorial board interview, Sanders was asked about the 2014 Israel-Gaza conflict. “Help me out here because I don’t remember the figures,” he said before saying his recollection was that 10,000 Palestinians were killed. He then immediately added, “Does that sound right?” The interviewer did a quick search and found that, in fact, more than 2,000 Palestinians were killed and 10,000 were wounded. The United Nations has estimated that 2,104 were killed, including 1,462 civilians. Understanding that his recollection was about the total number of casualties, not the death toll, the senator immediately accepted that correction and the discussion moved on to other topics.

But this is what happened in hasbara culture:

Welcome to hasbara culture. A progressive presidential candidate’s momentary confusion  over numbers killed in Gaza is being connected to medieval Christian blood libels against Jews, by Israel’s former ambassador to the U.S. (who grew up in New Jersey and imagined pogroms in South Orange).

This blood libel accusation is part of the “ritual” of hasbara culture. Outsiders just watch and shake their heads. To everyone but the hasbara culturalist, this discourse, this jargon, has no relationship to the real world.

Also be mindful of how hasbara culturalists like Jennifer Rubin and Greenblatt of the ADL talk down to the Vermont senator and presidential candidate. This disrespect is also part of the ritual of hasbara culture. What’s behind this disrespect i will get into in part two.

 

Greenblatt:

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Hey hey Bernie!? I may not be a Washington Post journalist or Jewish leader, but I would never say “hey” and be condescending to Senator Sanders as he is leading a movement in the Democratic Party, or try and slap him down, either. On whose behalf is Jonathan Greenblatt talking to Senator Sanders like that? Is Greenblatt tweeting this contempt as CEO of the ADL or is it in a private capacity?

Of course if you live outside hasbara culture, you understand that the old Jewish socialist from Brooklyn who wants everyone to live happily ever after has nothing to do with ancient blood libels against Jews. In the real world, when the topic isn’t Israel, the type of momentary confusion shown by Sanders is entirely unremarkable.

And notice it meant nothing to the Daily News reporters interviewing Sanders. There was nothing noteworthy or newsworthy to them about the 10k Gaza mistake. Sanders’s momentary uncertainty was not a story.

But I dare anyone to try to explain that to Brooklyn Assemblyman Dov Hikind, who lives inside hasbara culture and represents the district I grew up in, as he tries to pursue Bernie Sanders into a Brooklyn apartment building, shouting, “A blood libel against Israel! What’s wrong with you?”

The Sanders incident demonstrates yet another aspect of hasbara culture: the culturalists’ sense exemption from basic human ethics. This is really fascinating. It is not in dispute what happened during the Daily News interview. Now let’s look at Greenblatt’s ADL press release.

The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) today called on presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders to correct his misstatements regarding the 2014 conflict between Israel and the terrorist group Hamas.

Greenblatt is trying to change the story to make Sanders’s mistake much worse than it was. This press release is a lie. It is intentionally misleading to incite against Bernie Sanders. It is actions like this which have people believing “defamation league” is a more appropriate name for the ADL:

[Sanders] called Israel’s actions during the 2014 war in Gaza “disproportionate” and greatly overstated Palestinian civilian casualties, saying “my recollection is over 10,000 innocent people were killed in Gaza.”

“Even the highest number of casualties claimed by Palestinian sources that include Hamas members engaged in attacking Israel is five times less than the number cited by Bernie Sanders,” said Jonathan A. Greenblatt, ADL CEO….

Jonathan Greenblatt head of the ADL and supposed guardian of American Jews frames the Jewish Senator from Vermont. I am no lawyer but I bet Sanders can sue Greenblatt for libel for what he is doing here. This is hasbara culture in action.

Why does Jonathan Greenblatt head of the ADL hate Jews like Bernie Sanders so much? Why would he risk being this duplicitous about what happened during that Daily News interview? What does the ADL head get out of defaming Bernie Sanders? I will get to all that in Part two.

I would like to close with Tablet/Foreign policy writer Jamie Kirchick, in my humble opinion one of the worst Torquemadas of hasbara culture. For hasbara culture’s social construction of reality gives the people most enthralled by that culture (among them Kirchick) an exemption to lie freely. I don’t even think Kirchick experiences a twinge of conscience when he creates this parody of what actually happened during the Daily News interview. This whole Kirchick paragraph below is a total lie. Sanders didn’t “assert,” he didn’t “consult”. But for a Jewish jihadi journalist like Kirchick, that type of distortion is just another weapon in the arsenal of his holy war.

“A more revealing aspect of the Sanders phenomenon concerned his notorious interview with the Daily News editorial board, in which he incorrectly asserted that 10,000 civilians had been killed in the 2014 Gaza War. After Sanders consulted with the Anti-Defamation League, his campaign revised the number down to the United Nations estimate of some 1,500 civilians”

A reminder of reality again:

“During a recent New York Daily News editorial board interview, Sanders was asked about the 2014 Israel-Gaza conflict. “Help me out here because I don’t remember the figures,” he said before saying his recollection was that 10,000 Palestinians were killed. He then immediately added, “Does that sound right?” The interviewer did a quick search and found that, in fact, more than 2,000 Palestinians were killed and 10,000 were wounded. The United Nations has estimated that 2,104 were killed, including 1,462 civilians. Understanding that his recollection was about the total number of casualties, not the death toll, the senator immediately accepted that correction and the discussion moved on to other topics

In part two I will move on to what is it about Bernie Sanders that created so much cognitive dissonance to the social construction of reality of hasbara culturalists like Kirchick, Greenblatt and Goldberg, that has led to the unethical behavior we have seen above.

 

 

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  1. Maghlawatan
    November 18, 2016, 3:57 pm

    Jewish power in the US is in serious trouble. The bromides that worked for the last 70 years are dead. The last time Netanyahu spoke at the heart of power he was able to go through all the memes

    year after year decade after decade
    No matter on which side of the aisle you sit you stand with Israel
    I know that America stands with Israel
    The enemy of your enemy is your enemy
    the days when the Jewish people stayed passive in the face of genocidal enemies is over
    God bless the United States of America

    He was able to say that knowing that all of the major Jewish orgs would back him.

    Charisma is one of the only known antidotes to embedded court power . When Mohamed Assaf sings “Isim Lubnaan” at 1.22 he has the audience eating out his hand. And he isn’t even Lebanese.


    That’s the positive side of charisma , the yin.
    Trump embodies the yang.
    And he gained power by unleashing the dogs of antisemitism.

    The Liberal Jews are sidelined. Poor David Remnick. He even wrote that piece in favour of the Iraq war and now they don’t need him.

    For the first time in maybe 70 years the ADL is on a different side to the ZOA. Because the ADL understands Bannon and what he stands for.

    The enemy of Judaism is your enemy
    the days when the Jewish people stayed passive in the face of genocidal enemies is over

    The ZOA doesn’t.

    • Annie Robbins
      November 18, 2016, 5:21 pm

      When Mohamed Assaf sings “Isim Lubnaan” at 1.22 he has the audience eating out his hand.

      i love his wawwals, they are like foreplay, he gets the audience completely going crazy before he even starts singing the melody.

      • Maghlawatan
        November 19, 2016, 2:46 pm

        Assaf had the Egyptian judge in tears so often. I think it was the emotional impact of this refugee camp kid from the lowest circle of hell in the Zionist dystopia with the voice of Abdel Halim. There was such beautiful cognitive dissonance that it was overwhelming . First all the systematic hate from the Israelis. All the propaganda. All the violence.
        And the all the crap tinny pop in Egypt that wouldn’t hold a candle to Abdel Halim and over so many years. The original of Zeinab libsit is a banal Lebanese song that you might hear speeding from Tripoli to Beirut in a shared taxi. It’s too fast, the musical arrangements are crap and Assaf turned it into a classic. By the time he got into his stride he was even bigger than Nancy and the old Lebanesev guy. He took the older guy’s song to a place nobody else could. Like Umm K. Or Abdel Halim. And to have a figure like that in the culture is something very special

        The human spirit can be amazing sometimes.

      • Annie Robbins
        November 19, 2016, 7:40 pm

        Maghlawatan, yes, i know about his likeness to Abdel Halim. i got way into watching arab idol and mohammed assaf, wrote many articles about him (20+) culminating in live blogging the day he won (i went a little crazy), and allison (deger, our journalist in ramalllah) was there that night and taking photos of the crowd. it was so thrilling. my first article, around the time i first heard him sing, i featured the song “Zeina wore her anklet”.

        also, we were lucky enough to have enass (as well as rawan), who translated his songs for us and also wrote about him for our site. and we were able to interview him for our site too, and exclusive interview — i wrote almost all the questions — that was really fun. i have seen him perform live twice, just out of this world. however, i’ve never heard him sing in palestine. there was a video of him performing Ya Tir Ya Tair in bethlehem (or right outside it) just amazing. i wrote about it at the time and posted it but the video was later pulled for some reason.

        anyway, i am a huge fan of his.

  2. Mooser
    November 18, 2016, 5:13 pm

    What can we call those people who reject “Hasbara culture” or criticize its aspects?

    • Yakov Hirsch
      November 18, 2016, 5:23 pm

      Mooser November 18, 2016, 5:13 pm
      “What can we call those people who reject “Hasbara culture” or criticize its aspects?”

      Mooser, If that question is aimed at me, i find it in poor taste. It took a two year meditation retreat in the Himalayas, before “hasbara culture” came to me. I am not going back.

      • Mooser
        November 18, 2016, 5:50 pm

        “Mooser, If that question is aimed at me, i find it in poor taste.”

        I am sorry. I withdraw the question. I knew it was in poor taste when I asked it, too. You are right to moot it.

      • Maghlawatan
        November 19, 2016, 11:18 am

        You don’t appear to have a makey uppy name such as Ehud and the Hebrew for strawberry.
        4 of the people I most admire on the Jewish side of this clusterfuck are Finkelstein, Amira Hass , Gurvitz and Gideon Levy. I have read or watched 3 of them of them about their parents and the values their parents taught them.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7tupJRSi7M

        And they don’t have makey uppy names either. And I think that is something. Because when the name is changed something vital relating to the identity is lost. Malcolm X was very good on the importance of names.

        There is never a possibility of tabula rasa. Not with the way our brains work.
        Zionism is a wild goose chase.
        They should have dealt with the trauma first.

      • Mooser
        November 19, 2016, 3:40 pm

        “It took a two year meditation retreat in the Himalayas”

        I never got any further than pre-med courses.

      • Mooser
        December 24, 2016, 5:31 pm

        Okay, I looked it up in my Hill’s Manual and I think it says that Hasbara culture society gives rise to the Ziocaine Syndrome in individuals. That seems reasonable.

    • Talkback
      November 18, 2016, 8:16 pm

      Mooser: “What can we call those people who reject “Hasbara culture” or criticize its aspects?”

      Heretics.

      • Yakov Hirsch
        November 18, 2016, 8:48 pm

        Talkback November 18, 2016, 8:16 pm
        Mooser: “What can we call those people who reject “Hasbara culture” or criticize its aspects?”
        “Heretics.”

        I know, Himalayas or not, i wont be able compete with “heretics.”

      • Yakov Hirsch
        November 19, 2016, 1:48 pm

        Maghlawatan November 19, 2016, 11:18 am
        You don’t appear to have a makey uppy name such as Ehud and the Hebrew for strawberry. 4 of the people I most admire on the Jewish side of this clusterfuck are Finkelstein, Amira Hass , Gurvitz and Gideon Levy ..And they don’t have makey uppy names either. And I think that is something. Because when the name is changed something vital relating to the identity is lost
        There is never a possibility of tabula rasa. Not with the way our brains work.

    • Maghlawatan
      November 19, 2016, 12:40 am

      Jews.
      Those who adhere to Hasbara culture are Cossack Jews

    • Froggy
      November 19, 2016, 8:42 am

      Mooser :: The word ‘Mensch‘ comes to mind.

      • Mooser
        November 19, 2016, 11:03 am

        I wonder if “hasbara culture” might be a mass episode of the Ziocaine Syndrome?

  3. lyn117
    November 18, 2016, 5:17 pm

    I really think the zionists undermined Obama in 2010 because he wasn’t perceived as sufficiently pro-Israel, at that time the democratic party leadership backed away from him instead of getting behind him. The consequence was the democrats lost the house, and then the senate. The democratic party leadership backed Hillary in 2016 in large part because she was so pro-Israel.

    I have no smoking gun for this, other than the current emails.

  4. Annie Robbins
    November 18, 2016, 5:22 pm

    another great article Yakov Hirsch!

    • Yakov Hirsch
      November 18, 2016, 8:55 pm

      Annie Robbins November 18, 2016, 5:22 pm
      “another great article Yakov Hirsch!”

      Thanks Annie! Let me know when you figure out why im “obsessed,” as i think you put it, with Jeffrey Goldberg. And also why Goldberg’s punishment is going to be at a minimum שתי עיניים תחת עין?

      • Maghlawatan
        November 19, 2016, 7:05 pm

        Yakov how did you get to abandon the groupthink ? I wonder if Israel can be saved or will it go all the way to Masada again.

  5. John Douglas
    November 18, 2016, 7:05 pm

    Memories of the recent presidential election. Wasn’t it widely judged to be terrible that another country, Russia, was trying to influence US politics partly though a politician favorable to Russia? Has Israel ever tried to influence US politics through favorable US politicians?
    And weren’t the Democratic centrists (liberal democrat interventionists) cheering at the charge that Trump’s is a “puppet for Putin?” But considering the reaction to Bernie Sanders who spoke obvious truth about Israel, wouldn’t it be fair (and consistent to boot) to call Bernie’s accusers “puppets for Netanyahu?” Fair is fair.

    • Yakov Hirsch
      November 19, 2016, 8:41 pm

      Maghlawatan November 19, 2016, 7:05 pm
      “Yakov how did you get to abandon the groupthink ? I wonder if Israel can be saved or will it go all the way to Masada again.”

      Maghlawatan, why do you think i “abandoned the group think?”
      I still believe Jews are Gods chosen people; I just don’t understand the advantage of being so obnoxious to everyone about it.
      I will save my prediction about Israel’s future until after the Azaria verdict.

      • Mooser
        November 19, 2016, 11:02 pm

        “I still believe Jews are Gods chosen people;”

        Oy gevalt that’s so true! We have been irrevocably, eternally, and irremediably chosen to suffer. God alone knows (okay maybe you know, too, but let’s not air our dirty linen in public, m’okay?) why but I accept it as His will.

      • RoHa
        November 20, 2016, 12:00 am

        What’s the point of being Chosen by God if you are not going to be obnoxious about it?

      • Maghlawatan
        November 20, 2016, 12:36 am

        Yakov

        There is an old historical debate between “Cleopatra’s nose” and the longue durée. Is history made by incidental human factors and actions – Pascal’s saying that “if Cleopatra’s nose had been shorter, the whole face of the world would have been changed” – or is it determined by deeper currents which individual endeavour is powerless to retard or impel, as the great French historian Fernand Braudel insisted with his “long period” of change, beside which everyday political events were mere “dust.

        I think Israel is a longue durée play . What goes on inside Yossi Israeli’s head is a function of how Yossi was educated and how he consumes media . In modern Hebrew. Very important.

        Where does Yossi go to, when he’s alone in his bed?
        What are the thoughts that surround him ?

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8XQZYIiNgo

        Sometimes democracy acts against the public interest. Sometimes the ignorance of the public works against the public’s interest.

        Yossi is not educated to see the beauty of Hillel. He veers towards Masada. Hillel sleeps out in the rain in Israel.

        You can bring a man to Torah but you can’t make him understand.

      • Mooser
        November 20, 2016, 12:54 pm

        ” Pascal’s saying that “if Cleopatra’s nose had been shorter, the whole face of the world would have been changed”

        That must be the girl’s nose that “RoHa” is saying might “grow back”. Should have known it was deeper than I thought.

      • Mooser
        November 20, 2016, 12:58 pm

        “What’s the point of being Chosen by God if you are not going to be obnoxious about it?”

        Because when you get obnoxious about it, He drops you, and de-chooses you. The cards turn against you and the dice won’t roll your way.

        “Yossi is not educated to see the beauty of Hillel. He veers towards Masada

        He doesn’t want to go to Hillel in a handbasket! That’s because he knows what makes Shammai run.

  6. pabelmont
    November 18, 2016, 7:11 pm

    Zionism may be injured in the USA or its politics or its media — but the big-money Zionists are still at it (consider the otherwise nearly empty candidacy of HRC) and much MSM is still with it.

    If injured then not much and surely not dead yet.

    More’s the pity.

  7. yonah fredman
    November 18, 2016, 11:38 pm

    Yakov hirsch- you have documented Goldberg’s dishonesty. Sanders as candidate asserting a Palestinian viewpoint was new.
    Liberal Zionists are being “kicked out” of both parties the past two weeks. Trump and bannon from the right and Ellison from the left, it’s a type of powerlessness.
    Listen, Goldberg was invited to hoist a few with castro, so just as a careerist, how can one scoff?

    • echinococcus
      November 19, 2016, 12:25 pm

      Liberal Zionists are being “kicked out” of both parties the past two weeks. Trump and bannon from the right and Ellison from the left, it’s a type of powerlessness.

      They’re not being kicked out. Perhaps Reb Feldman can deign explain what he uses quotation marks for.
      If they were being kicked out, that would really be excellent –to larn them to be Zionists.

      • yonah fredman
        November 19, 2016, 1:53 pm

        When I use a phrase but wish to indicate the affectation involved, or the subjective nature involved or the exaggeration involved with using that phrase I mark the words off with quotation marks.

      • echinococcus
        November 19, 2016, 3:02 pm

        So, Reb Fredman, “you can make words mean so many different things.” Without being master. We still don’t know if the Zionists in question were kicked out –in fact we know it’s the opposite and you are BSing us all nonstop.

      • Mooser
        November 19, 2016, 3:06 pm

        “When I use a phrase but wish…”

        Chump! You use single quotes for that! Or do you lie for pleasure? Why not avoid lying, and use single quotes? Your keyboard is equipped with them.

        Like this, “Yonah”: ‘kicked out’. Easy, no?

      • yonah fredman
        November 19, 2016, 4:09 pm

        mooser- i have heard about that usage of single quotes versus double quotes here before, but have yet to find any reference to it in a grammar book. please cite the grammar book and the page or link me to some grammar authority who considers this single quote marks vs double quote marks as standard usage.

      • Mooser
        November 19, 2016, 5:03 pm

        Sure “Yonah”. I really should give you credit, you stopped just short of Humpty-Dumptying yourself:

        “When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.” “The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.”
        “The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master – – that’s all.”

        And “Yonah” when it comes to rhetorically putting that worm on the hook, you are a master!

      • Mooser
        November 19, 2016, 5:17 pm

        “and the page or link me to some grammar authority who considers this single quote marks vs double quote marks as standard usage.”

        Sire, “Yonah” as soon as you find me the “grammar authority” who advocates putting double-quotes around words to imply that they are quotes in the first place! Then we can discuss whether single or double-quotes are appropriate for that.

      • yonah fredman
        November 19, 2016, 7:24 pm

        Web site- grammar monster. Found by googling quotation marks subvert. Quote-” use quotation marks to denote so-called or to show that a word is not being used in its literal sense”.

      • Mooser
        November 19, 2016, 11:08 pm

        “Found by googling quotation marks subvert. Quote”

        It might be a quote, it might not be a quote. With you, who knows? Since you reserve the right to make shit up, you have little credibility..

  8. Maghlawatan
    November 19, 2016, 12:39 am

    Hasbara culture forced Jurge Goldstone into a brutal retraction in 2011 . Goldstone was investigating the 2008 turkey shoot in Gaza. Israel would only tolerate a chosen person. so Goldstone was the man.

    “I felt there was a lot of thirst for blood,” one soldier is quoted as saying. “This is the beauty of Gaza. You see a person walking down a street or path; he does not have to be with a weapon. You just have to see him with something, and you shoot him.”

    And the story had everything . It had Jeffrey Goldberg accusing Goldstone of blood libel. Blood libel is from the old shtetl days when the Christians would accuse the Jews , most unfairly, of child murder.

    Chris Hedges saw war in many places but the only place he saw soldiers lure children out of their homes via loudspeaker and shot for fun was Gaza.
    https://no2wars.wordpress.com/a-gaza-diary-chris-hedges/

    During the 2nd Intifada in 2000, the UN Commission on Human Rights fact finders reported “widespread, systematic and gross violations of human rights perpetrated by the Israeli occupying Power, in particular mass killings and collective punishments, such as demolition of houses and closure of the Palestinian territories, measures which constitute war crimes, flagrant violations of international humanitarian law and crimes against humanity.” See E/CN.4/RES/S-5/1 19 October 2000

    But we can’t say it to the goys. So let’s get the blood libel out. It’s to do with the nonsense aspect of power. Better to just not say it.
    Gaza is basically a permanent blood libel.

    Goldstone became a pariah in South Africa once the report outlines were known. He was shunned by the Jewish community.
    forward.com/news/136818/did-a-private-meeting-prompt-goldstone-to-change-h

    He eventually broke and issued a retraction

    “Netanyahu called on the United Nations on Saturday to retract the Goldstone Report following the regret expressed by former jurist Richard Goldstone regarding the damning report on alleged Israeli war crimes during the Gaza war.
    “Everything that we said proved to be true,” said Netanyahu. “Israel did not intentionally target civilians and it has proper investigatory bodies”

    One of the most insightful insights into the hasbara mind came via Rabbi Donniel Hartman,. This was the money shot :

    https://hartman.org.il/Blogs_View.asp?Article_Id=657&Cat_Id=273&Cat_Type=
    “When one calls, however, for the boycotting or international sanctioning of Israel or the forcing of its government to adopt policies which are counter to the expressed will of its democratically elected government, even if one believes that one is doing so for the good of Israel, one is locating oneself on the side of our foes, a side that friends need to be wary of.
    If our community will be wise enough to expand the inner tent to make room for a wide spectrum of opinions, debate, criticism, and acts of protest and condemnation, there will be no need for members of our community to find their allies elsewhere, and ones who do so, will be therefore declaring where their allegiance truly lies.
    We are a people who believe that criticism is an act of love and loyalty. We are also a people who believe that there is a criticism out of love, and a criticism which is not.”

    It was essentially an appeal for self regulation. “We will deal with the butchers”
    But of course they can’t.

    The butchery went into overdrive in 2014 in Gaza. Always Gaza. Because Yossi Israel hates Gaza more than he will ever know. And self regulation didn’t work.

    Central to Israel’s defence of its actions in Gaza in 2014
    was the claim that international humanitarian law (IHR) was inadequate and had to be modified to accommodate the “asymmetrical”nature of modern warfare…

    http://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2014-07-21/calls-for-genocide-enter-israeli-mainstream/#sthash.VBM27wEd.dpuf

    https://storify.com/public/templates/slideshow/index.html?src=//storify.com/davidsheen/israeli-army-the-next-generation#1

    Self regulation does not work for Israel
    I can’t remember how many kids were murdered in 2014 but it was several hundred.

    The NYT produced a graphic of the damage caused by Israel

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/07/27/world/middleeast/assessing-the-damage-and-destruction-in-gaza.html?_r=1

    Around the time Israel was butchering in Gaza the German President gave a speech in Warsaw to mark the progress made by the German people since 1944 when IT was destroying the largest urban Jewish community in Eastern Europe.

    http://www.bundespraesident.de/SharedDocs/Reden/EN/JoachimGauck/Reden/2014/140729-Ausstellung-Warschau-Aufstand.htm

    Haaretz produced an interview with an Orthodox historian about WW2 recently

    http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/features/.premium-1.750150
    And after all, the rabbis intoned, from the Haredi perspective the Holocaust was nothing new in Jewish history; the term “Shoah,” denoting uniqueness, was forbidden by Haredi giants in the late 20th century. The establishment could not bear to face the reality: The fact that far too many of Europe’s Orthodox rabbis railed against the prewar migrations to the United States and Palestine, centers of sin and secularism, the very safe havens that hundreds of thousands could have escaped to – had their leaders not forbidden it.
    It was out of the question to admit that great Torah scholars could be wrong – not to mention the stories of rebbes who fled at the last moment, leaving their communities behind, a phenomenon Farbstein (herself a descendant of a Hasidic Rebbe who fled to Palestine in 1940) says is to be expected, given the rabbis’ public positions rendered them high-profile targets.
    The facts were deemed too dangerous for the people. Instead, Holocaust study remained in sermon-worthy parables, in video montages of old photographs of Hasidic rebbes and their students, paired with crooning ultra-Orthodox pop stars’ voices.
    “We have stories without sources that became myths, which turn into a great symbol for the community in spiritual martyrdom. But there is enough strength in the truth itself, in the reality, [that] we don’t need to dress it more. Here, history is not so much about scientific research, but rather about moral education,” Farbstein says.
    According to scholars, over half of the Holocaust’s Jewish victims were observant Jews. “But in the museums, in the history books, there was no room for the Orthodox,” Lichtenstein says. “If the story was not about physical resistance, it was ignored in Israel. I remember, as a young girl, I came with my father to Yad Vashem,” referring to the Holocaust remembrance center in Jerusalem.
    “He was searching for some documents, whose content I couldn’t understand at the time. But I do remember how my intellectual father was treated, just because he looked like a Hasidic Jew. They looked at him like, ‘Who are you? A man of a vanished world.’ I never forgot it.

    “For decades,” she continues, “secular scholars spoke about the ‘Yom Hashoah v’HaGevurah’ – the physical heroism, the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. This implicitly has its own accusations against the victims, that those who didn’t resist went like ‘sheep to the slaughter’ … they totally ignored spiritual heroism”

    As Yosef Hayim Yerushalmi writes in Zakhor,” she concludes, “history has become the center of Jewish identity. We used to have Torah, texts, principles, leaders, all day immersed in our cultural world. But now,” she signs, “we simply turn to history for identity.”

    So the Germans went through years of questioning
    The Ashkenazi community threw its energy into the Israel project.

    Germany doesn’t have the war parasite any more.
    Israel does.
    And Israel still has the trauma iterations real bad.

    But that was October.

    And then Trump was elected.

    What a clusterfuck

    Because now is really not the time to have young Yossi Israeli showing how much further Israeli society has deteriorated since 2014.

    And The Trumpistas have gone after the Liberal Jews

    Auster https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-f4sDQn4Ck
    Stewart https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2OYxFlW0Yg

    Things were so much simpler in 2011……

    • gamal
      November 19, 2016, 8:42 am

      thank you maghla el watan

      ‘Who are you? A man of a vanished world.’

      aren’t we all, history is bunk (according to a Yankee avatar)

      • Maghlawatan
        November 19, 2016, 9:39 am

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8Myb8i13qY

        The past is in the present. The future is in the present

        Johan Cruyff :

        “It’s like everything in football – and life. You need to look, you need to think, you need to move, you need to find space, you need to help others. It’s very simple in the end.”

        He could have written the Torah

      • Mooser
        November 19, 2016, 11:05 am

        “(according to a Yankee avatar)”

        If we start talking about Lindbergh again, “Yonah” will get all upset.

    • RoHa
      November 19, 2016, 9:44 pm

      ‘But now,” she signs, “we simply turn to history for identity.”’

      Have to get it from somewhere. Without an identity, you can’t get credit at the liquor store.

      • Mooser
        November 20, 2016, 1:04 pm

        “‘But now,” she signs, “we simply turn to history for identity.”’

        And closed-captioning is also available.

  9. Kay24
    November 19, 2016, 7:14 am

    What Bernie Sanders experienced is what many have already before him. Journalists who dared to speak up, or criticized the zionists, got a back lash that was very well organized and instant.
    It is also a means to silence future criticisms, and making an example for others. We could have asked Helen Thomas if she was alive, but she died a sad person most probably because despite her years of experience and respect well earned, they demonized her for simply speaking her mind, and expressing her right to free speech. When it comes to the crimes of the zionists, many Americans forget all about free speech.

    Unfortunately, this will never change.

  10. Sibiriak
    November 19, 2016, 8:13 am

    hasbara culturalists like Goldberg….
    ———————

    Hasbara culturalists ” — very awkward, or as they say in some circles, infelicitous.

    What’s wrong with plain old “Zionist “?

    (Or “Israel supporter, defender, apologist” etc.)

    • Keith
      November 19, 2016, 11:52 am

      SIBIRIAK- “What’s wrong with plain old “Zionist “?”

      As I understand it, a hasbara culturalist is a subset of Zionism. It would refer to those active in the doctrinal system who seek to frame every discussion within the framework of current Zionist ideology and mythology. It goes beyond mere support for Israel and involves a reframing of incidents to comport with the Zionist narrative by those with the power to influence the discussion. It is a consistent and coherent propagandistic distortion of objective reality. Or at least that is my understanding of Yakov Hirsch’s use of the term. I might add that imperial propagandists do much the same thing as they misrepresent reality in support of imperial objectives.

      • Yakov Hirsch
        November 19, 2016, 3:39 pm

        Keith November 19, 2016, 11:52 am
        “As I understand it, a hasbara culturalist is a subset of Zionism.
        It involves a reframing of incidents to comport with the Zionist narrative by those with the power to influence the discussion. It is a consistent and coherent propagandistic distortion of objective reality”

        Keith, i understand myself differently than you understand me. Dosent mean im right of course, just saying.

        I am describing a Jewish/Zionist “social construction of reality” that the subjective experience of the world is experienced as objective reality. I am not talking about ” propaganda,” I am talking people who have been inculcated in hasbara culture “experience” reality differently. And we are about to have a big social science experiment that will demonstrate this concept.
        I have been writing about it for months now. http://mondoweiss.net/2016/05/holocaust-netanyahu-general/
        I believe It’s going to play out very shortly after the Elor Azaria verdict. Because that trial is a good old fashioned battle between reality and HC.
        In the Jaffa court, hasbara culture doesn’t amount for much proof. There is the hasbara-proof video and all his Azaria’s statements showing he believed “terrorists must die.” Consider what it means that no hasbara possible for what Azaria did. We all agree we are seeing the same thing. No matter your politics or where in the world you are located. And without even knowing who the “teams” are, what county the uniform belonged to, the shooter is a bad man and needs to be punished.
        Its incontrovertible that the soldier who shows up to the scene and and shoots the person on the ground is a bad man and needs to be punished.
        The beginning of my Netanyahu vs Golan article explains it better.

        That’s the shock. Hasbara culture has no need for hasbara anymore. One would have expected spin by Netanyahu about the murdering medic. Read the Haaretz article about the cabinet meeting after the MM execution. There is no spin because they don’t experience a need for spin. Because they experience Azaria as a good Jewish boy, and as “one of our children” who through righteous anger protected all of Israeli Jews by killing the Nazi/Isis/Cossack/ on the ground.
        In court its an open and shut case. And the IDF, befitting the most moral army in the world, is going to find him guilty. What happens next will be a large angry group of people who in their EXPERIENCE of reality on of their tribe members is being sacrificed for political correctness or to make the Europeans happy.
        Let me give you some Netanyahu hasbara culture, to give you an idea of what most Israelis EXPERIENCE the reality of the situation is.

        “The will to destroy the Jewish people has not changed. What has changed is our ability to defend ourselves and our determination to do so.”
        “A deep and wide moral abyss separates us from our enemies. They sanctify death while we sanctify life. They sanctify cruelty while we sanctify compassion.”
        And Bennett:
        “Talk of a murder charge against a combat soldier during a combat operation is a moral mistake that blurs the lines between good and evil. I expect his mistake to be mended.”
        This is not hasbara, Bennett is spouting. It is his reality. It is hasbara culture.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Social_Construction_of_Reality
        Stay tuned…

      • Keith
        November 19, 2016, 4:08 pm

        YAKOV HIRSCH- “I am not talking about ” propaganda,” I am talking people who have been inculcated in hasbara culture “experience” reality differently.”

        Since people who have been inculcated in Zionist ideology interpret reality differently, their version of events is highly biased which by definition is considered propaganda, which, I believe, is the meaning of hasbara. Your additional description is entirely consistent with my interpretation of what you meant by hasbara culturalist, and I don’t want to argue semantics on the definition of propaganda. Suffice to say that all societies develop myths and ideologies through which reality is perceived, the notion of the white man’s burden a classic example. Your hasbara culture is a specific example of a highly indoctrinate group of people who will view events from the perspective of the myth of eternal and irrational anti-Semitism as the driving force behind the Jewish past, present and future.

      • Annie Robbins
        November 19, 2016, 6:32 pm

        Since people who have been inculcated in Zionist ideology interpret reality differently, their version of events is highly biased which by definition is considered propaganda

        it’s hard to let this slip by. my dad was a pr person, so i know what propaganda is. a highly biased version or perception of something is not, by definition propaganda. propaganda is the intent to use or promote (or publicize) a particular point of view – for political purposes or to sell something to the public.

        when yakov wrote This is not hasbara, Bennett is spouting. It is his reality.

        if i am speaking to people who are like me and think like i do, my allies for example, and my ideas are very biased towards equality, this is not propaganda if i am merely expressing myself and not speaking for the purpose of promoting my point of view. when people who share the same (biased) reality, whether it be based on truth or lies — they don’t need to convince eachother of anything. so my understanding of a hasbara culturalist — is a person who has already been indoctrinated by so much propaganda (hasbara) that the propaganda is already their reality. i can see this distinction.

      • Sibiriak
        November 19, 2016, 7:03 pm

        Keith: As I understand it, a hasbara culturalist is a subset of Zionism. It would refer to those active in the doctrinal system who seek to frame every discussion within the framework of current Zionist ideology and mythology.
        ——————–

        Fine. The subsets of Zioinism can be delineated with modifiers/nouns, e.g. Zionist propagandist, Zionist ideologue, liberal Zionist, etc. “Someone immersed in Zionist culture”…

        Alternately, just “hasbarist”, since my understanding is that “hasbara” basically means Zionist propaganda (aka PR).

        I just find “hasbara culturalists” awkward and unclear.

        YMMV

      • Mooser
        November 19, 2016, 10:24 pm

        ” is a person who has already been indoctrinated by so much propaganda (hasbara) that the propaganda is already their reality. i can see this distinction”

        I think it is mostly pretension. But this pretension it has been indulged to the point of infantalizing us.

  11. Yakov Hirsch
    November 19, 2016, 5:59 pm

    Keith November 19, 2016, 4:08 pm
    ” Your additional description is entirely consistent with my interpretation of what you meant by hasbara culturalist, and I don’t want to argue semantics on the definition of propaganda. ”

    Keith, understood.
    But i also think not so deep down you would like to argue “semantics” on the definition of propaganda. But as I only argue semantics, with people who really don’t want to argue semantics, ill pass.

    • Yakov Hirsch
      November 19, 2016, 6:57 pm

      Annie Robbins
      November 19, 2016, 6:32 pm
      “..is a person who has already been indoctrinated by so much propaganda (hasbara)that the propaganda is already their reality. i can see this distinction.”

      Already the student is better than the teacher. I can’t wait to read Annie’s book on “hasbara culture.”

      • Annie Robbins
        November 19, 2016, 7:01 pm

        ;) — i’ll leave the book writing to you, a good teacher.

    • echinococcus
      November 20, 2016, 5:13 am

      The use of words like “hasebara” is, again, complying with the enemy’s propaganda by adopting his terms, and it’s being done for several other things, too. Not a good idea to fall into this trap.
      It’s a made-up fancy nonsense word for the public at large.
      *Propaganda* is something everyone (well, almost) recognizes and knows has a totally negative connotation. There is nothing different or less horrendous in Zionist propaganda, compared to Dr. Goebbels’ very own propaganda that would justify the use of words the general public is unfamiliar with. Or has a fuzzy feeling for.

  12. DaBakr
    November 19, 2016, 8:27 pm

    All the people that have been inculcated with so-called ‘hasbarist culture’, an as so far, made up name.

    So, YH is a special one. Chosen to enlighten the world to what they are too blind to recognize themselves. Sounds like a great career move. A step up from gambler. Just think of the possibilities if you collaborate with MxB, the enfant terrible of the Jewish fringe left. And now that HRC can resume her friendship with his daddy his possibilities are as wide open as ever.

    • Yakov Hirsch
      November 19, 2016, 8:58 pm

      DaBakr November 19, 2016, 8:27 pm
      “All the people that have been inculcated with so-called ‘hasbarist culture’, an as so far, made up name.”
      “So, YH is a special one. Chosen to enlighten the world to what they are too blind to recognize themselves. Sounds like a great career move. A step up from gambler. Just think of the possibilities if you collaborate with MxB, the enfant terrible of the Jewish fringe left. And now that HRC can resume her friendship with his daddy his possibilities are as wide open as ever.”

      DEBAKR: i couldnt help but notice a softening of your position on “hasbara culture” from our last encounter. (below) Maybe a touch less strident and hysterical. Though I did have a sneaking suspicion you might come around. You struck me as a little more “reasonable” than the other hasbara trolls i encountered here.

      DaBakr November 5, 2016, 6:48 pm
      so, you invent your own term to support your own theory and propose this ‘theory’ of yours to an audience with a preponderance of people who are most likely to embrace your theory with utmost enthusiasm. very brave and controversial. ‘hasbara culture’ is an idea that belongs right up there with some of the ‘biggest’ trends in modern philosophy like: twitter culture and snap-chat nation. your articles (which i have read, at least) ooze a general disgust with the people and government of the nation you formerly claimed citizenship to. so, at least you are consistent. but as for putting forth social ‘explanations’ for why israelis (unlike other peoples) may or may not act a certain way, well…

      maybe you should stick to gambling

      • DaBakr
        November 22, 2016, 9:40 pm

        @yh

        not softening . just tiring. there is only so much to say to someone who is so convinced his people have a special preponderance to being bullshitted. now, if you came up with a concept explaining what your obverse theory is to why palestinians are the way they are in context of israeli so-called ‘hasbara culture’ it might be a little more interesting. but blaming arrogant, clueless, macho, rude israelis as now being totally gullible is so old-hat and not very creative coming from a long tradition of israel-hating israelis who i will fail to name.

        you could also talk about how much disdain the majority of MW commenters (along with big cat pw) have for ‘tribalism’ and how this disdain only applies to israeli and certain american jews while it doesn’t apply to palestinians who would never deny their society is tribal. hasbara -or-tribal culture. again-i repeat, its just a catchy phrase that may honestly help you get a publishing deal like MxB or atzmon.

        p.s. no personal problem with gamblers pers se and have trained border collies for decades.

      • Mooser
        November 22, 2016, 10:40 pm

        Uh-oh. I don’t like the way “dabakr’s” eyes careen around the room while he mutters.

    • Mooser
      November 19, 2016, 10:46 pm

      “So, YH is a special one. Chosen to enlighten the world to what they are too blind to recognize themselves”

      One of the big Rabbis in Israel said the Messianic Age might be starting now. All kinds prophets and seers will be appearing. Ignore them at your peril!

      • Mooser
        November 19, 2016, 11:33 pm

        “Sounds like a great career move.”

        He has a lot of options. A good dog trainer is in demand everywhere. More so when he’s got a reference from Cassius Marcellus Coolidge!

  13. scott9854958
    November 20, 2016, 9:59 am

    This is a good article and explains the Hasbara culture of bullying well. I think the problem for Bernie is he comes across as a nice guy who isn’t interested in the kind of savage give and take that Goldberg, Rubin et al thrive on. So like the scrawny kid on the playground with the asthma inhaler, he was marked as a target. Also, I think Bernie didn’t even start moving the Overton window on I/P until late in the game. So it smacked of politics, not real understanding and commitment to the issue. That emboldened the smear brigade. I do think the right candidate, who’s quick on his/her feet and fearless, would shove their Hasbara right down their throats, because at their core, they have no core.

    • Citizen
      November 29, 2016, 2:45 pm

      Yes, that’s Bernie, and that’s what would happen. I hope he enjoys his third house at age 75 or 76.

  14. broadside
    November 22, 2016, 7:53 pm

    Hasbara pt. xxviii

    NY Times (of course); Grievances and Grumblings, Long Before Chris Christie’s Fall in Donald Trump’s Circle, by Kate Zernike, wherein:

    “Three days after he won the election, President-elect Trump deposed Mr. Christie as leader of his transition team. Many fingers pointed at Mr. Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, whose father had been sent to prison by Mr. Christie, then the top federal prosecutor in New Jersey, on charges of tax evasion and illegal campaign contributions.”

    Sent to prison…!!

    On charges of …!!

    He might not have been guilty…

    He was innocent…

    A victim!!!

    I think somewhere in all your definitions should be the word “pathological.”

    • DaBakr
      November 22, 2016, 9:30 pm

      @bs

      maybe he is just pissed at christie for locking his father up. nobody said anything about him being a victim. that is your own conflation from what you read and not based on any reality. if you think revenge is a zionist/jewish concept you are much more ignorant then you seem to be.

      • broadside
        November 23, 2016, 8:30 am

        So words have no meaning, huh, DaBakr? No difference between, say, a wall and a separation barrier? Besides the letters and syllables, I mean?

  15. DaBakr
    November 22, 2016, 9:27 pm

    sorry. its just so friggin stupid. ‘hasbara culture’ is just another word for israelis, jews, zionists etc. its the same thing that david duke and the spencer national policy institute do when they use pseudo-intellectualism to re-explain a term that has already attained either a socially negative status or draws more criticism from skeptics due to the ubiquity of the term. ‘Hasbara culture is only a stunning and new idea to the already obsessed minds here who are constantly looking for a way to describe and evaluate the supposed banality of israeli ‘evil’, how they belive it draws comparisons to ww2 and how then can try and elevate themselves from the bigoted, angry and hateful views they probably feel deep down already.

    hasbara culture is another meaningless rhetorical term invented by israel haters to intellectualize their bigotry or self-hatred depending on what their personal deal is. i would wager that the palestinians (who are the only legitimate complainant in this issue) would laugh at this whole concept of israeli navel gazing just as they rightly reject any blatent attempts to categorize their own behavior relative to their struggle with israel.

    what a bunch of whoo-ha. as bad as ‘whataboutery’.

    • Mooser
      November 22, 2016, 10:14 pm

      sorry…/…whataboutery’

      Mutter, mutter, mutter.

      • eljay
        November 23, 2016, 7:38 am

        So much muttering to:
        – defend Zio-supremacism and the colonialist, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist “Jewish State” project; and
        – anti-Semitically conflate Zionism and Israel with all Jews and all Jews with Zionism and Israel.

        I wonder if Islamofacists who defend their own version of a religion-supremacist state and anti-Semitically conflate all Muslims with it mutter as much as he does.

      • eljay
        November 23, 2016, 8:14 am

        || eljay: I wonder if Islamofacists who defend their own version of a religion-supremacist state and anti-Semitically conflate all Muslims with it … ||

        Correction: I’m not sure what the equivalent to “anti-Semitically” is for Muslims, so perhaps the sentence should simply read ” … and hatefully conflate all Muslims with it … “

    • Citizen
      November 29, 2016, 2:51 pm

      @ DaBakr
      I would say that the already implemented, still striving PNAC agenda, coupled with the US taxpayers endless billions to Israel, no strings attached, make US citizens also legitimate complainants on the issue; it was not only Petraeus who told congress US foreign policy and aid re Israel “paints a target on our backs.”
      The USA’s reputation in the world has gone from highest to lowest, right there with Israel and North Korea.

  16. JLewisDickerson
    November 23, 2016, 4:22 am

    RE: “Sanders was up against what I have come to call ‘hasbara culture’.”Hasbara culture is an aggressive and proselytizing understanding of the world. It is a social construction of reality by a minority within the Jewish community.” ~ Yakov Hirsch

    SEE: “Rabbi’s crude opinions had no place at funeral”, by Alex Brummer, http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/, October 24, 2016

    [EXCEREPTS] A few days ago, I attended a retirement event at The Guardian for Michael White, one of the most amusing and well-informed political journalists of his generation. In the manner of old Fleet Street, we afterwards repaired to the pub, a fashionable hostelry on north London’s Caledonian Road.

    It was there that I was tapped on the shoulder by a former colleague who happens to be Jewish. Believe it or not, The Guardian, from its earliest days in Manchester, has a long tradition of being supportive of the Jewish community and employing Jewish journalists and commentators. . .

    . . . The colleague who had interrupted me wanted to know if I was still directly involved in community leadership, having been, up until 2015, a vice president of the Board of Deputies. I was not, although I am proudly involved with Jewish News and chairman of the British arm of an Israeli non-governmental organisation, the Abraham Fund. “Why do you ask?” I inquired. He wanted to relay to me a recent incident.

    He had recently buried his father and mourned over a newly dug grave at Bushey Cemetery in Hertfordshire. It is a place, fortunately, he had not had many causes to visit. On the sombre, long distance walk from the grave to the prayer hall to say kaddish, the elderly, unidentified rabbi, engaged the mourner in conversation.

    It was not quite the words of consolation and comfort the bereaved might have expected. Instead, the rabbi, having heard the bereaved worked for The Guardian, bluntly asked him: “How could you work for such an anti-Semitic organisation?”

    The colleague was stunned and speechless. Instead of the correct conversation, which might have been about the deceased and his family and the healing of time, he had brought crude and deeply disrespectful views on his professional life to a very personal event. Indeed, the journalist found the shadow of those words deeply alienating.

    No one can be unaware of some of the harsh reporting on Israel and the Palestinian conflict that has appeared in the pages of The Guardian. . .

    . . . The paper may arguably have fanned the flames of the left-wing anti-colonialist narrative on the Middle East, but it is not rooted in anti-Semitism.

    All of us who have worked at The Guardian have spoken out against excesses. But if you believe in a free press, as an essential plank of democracy (as they do in Israel itself), one must accept that not everyone has the same unalloyed, positive view of everything Israel does. . .

    ENTIRE COMMENTARY – http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/rabbis-crude-opinions-had-no-place-at-funeral/

  17. Dmesh
    November 27, 2016, 1:23 am

    Israel made a billion enemies for itself and needs americans to hate muslims too. A jewish senator preaching peace with palestinians doesnt help israels agenda…land, money, and power. Dont support the yinon plan, aka american fought wars for israels benefit. Israel needs peace, not fascism!

    • Mooser
      November 27, 2016, 1:56 pm

      “Israel needs peace, not fascism!”

      When you say things like that, I suspect you wish to destroy Israel.
      Please “Dmesh”, tell me how Israel can survive without fascism? Why would you take away the essential ingredient Israel needs?
      And Israel cannot afford peace, until it gets all the pieces.

  18. Maghlawatan
    November 27, 2016, 4:51 am

    Zionism is a culture of hatred . It comes straight outta the trauma od WW2. The internal Israeli conversation about Palestinians is so messed up.

    Israel is taken for granted but very few outsiders appreciate how messed up the education system is. Young Yossi has to be taught to hate . You can’t run an apartheid system with Mensches who are focused on personal development. They have to be deJudaised in order to live in Judistan. The Torah would ask what the point of this is.

    Netanyahu is at it again over the fires. What an asshole.

    That is why the reaction to Mohamed Assaf during the Arab Idol competit ion was so refreshing. Nancy Ajram is not f#cked up like your typical Hebrew speaker. She didn’t see vermin. She just heard the voice

    If the Torah in Israel was an animate thing it would have exploded years ago

    And Jewish culture isn’t hateful. You can’t survive 3 millennia by running trauma as the operating system.

    • talknic
      November 27, 2016, 6:52 pm

      @ Maghlawatan November 27, 2016, 4:51 am

      “Zionism is a culture of hatred . It comes straight outta the trauma od WW2.”

      Strange. The Zionist Colonial Pyramid Scheme was hatched in 1897. Hatred is a tool. They want everyone to hate anyone who gets in the way of their vile scheme, non-Jew and Jew alike.

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