Zionists embrace of Trump and Bannon is no surprise

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The Zionist Organization of America (ZOA) gives a platform to Steve Bannon and Stephen Adelson at its annual gala this Sunday night, November 20th in New York City. For anyone familiar with Zionist history and current alliances, this should not come as a surprise but a confirmation. Zionists have always leveraged reactionary, racist, colonial and anti-semitic governments, regimes and organizations – from Russian Tzars to the Nazis to Mussolini to the colonial British Empire to the Christian Right (Christian Zionists). Their embracing of Trump and renown reactionary political strategist Steve Bannon is no exception. Bannon is chair of Breitbart News, a platform widely known for its white nationalism and anti-Semitism. It is also fervently Zionist.

News platforms such as the Huffington Post and the Jewish Forward ask whether its possible to be antisemitic and Zionist and have concluded, yes. For IJAN, the alignment of reactionary Zionist organizations (i.e. ZOA), Zionist billionaire funders that attack progressive movements (i.e. Sheldon Adelson), the reactionary, racist president-elect Trump and his political strategist Bannon, is a confirmation of the nature of Zionist ideology and the Zionist movement. It is a movement and ideology that relies on racism against Palestinians and Arabs, demonization of Islam and Muslims, ethnic cleansing and justification of colonization. That is why Zionism is an insult to the history of Jewish struggles against antisemitism and Jewish participation in collective struggles for labor rights, civil rights and human rights and against racism and repression.

In a court report from a 1996 domestic violence allegation against Stephen Bannon, he was said to have stated, "that he doesn't like Jews and that he doesn't like the way they raise their kids to be 'whiney brats' and that he didn't want (his daughters) going to school with Jews." This vile, anti-Jewish prejudice poses no actual contradiction to his support for the Zionist project.

In a court report from a 1996 domestic violence allegation against Stephen Bannon, he was said to have stated, “that he doesn’t like Jews and that he doesn’t like the way they raise their kids to be ‘whiney brats’ and that he didn’t want (his daughters) going to school with Jews.” This vile, anti-Jewish prejudice poses no actual contradiction to his support for the Zionist project.

Israel has made itself useful to brutal dictators and regimes across time and place – selling weapons and nuclear missile knowledge to and continuing trade with the South African apartheid government during a global boycott, collaborating with the CIA on training mercenary forces in Nicaragua, El Salvador, Sri Lanka, Indonesia, Guatemala, Chile and even to Argentina during the junta that targeted Jewish people amongst many others. In the United States, Israel trains local and federal police, emergency response, intelligence and military forces and provides surveillance tools and consultation that targets Black communities, immigrants, queer and transgender people and activists. Across the globe, Israel exports over 60% of all drones.

So, the fact that the ZOA and other reactionary Zionist organizations, political figures and billionaires would support Trump, is not a surprise. What is surprising is that organizations like the Anti-Defamation League and Jewish Community Relations Council, groups that constantly target Arab, Muslim, Black, Chicano and other progressive organizations who criticize Israel and groups that frequently equate criticism of Israel with antisemitism, would take issue with the ZOA’s support for Trump.

Zionism and Israel rely on antisemitism to justify blatant colonization of Palestine, ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, support for anti-Muslim and anti-Arab racism, collaboration in US wars, attacks on anti-racist organizations in the United States, training of repressive police and military forces and an economy that relies heavily on surveillance and weapons trade. So, its natural allies are, reactionary, racist, repressive governments, elected officials, regimes, movements, religious and political organizations and people of wealth.

And, the ZOA’s validation of Bannon on Sunday night confirms what Palestinians and other anti-Zionists, including anti-Zionist Jews, have always known: Zionism does not equal Jewish, rather it is rooted in antisemitism; support for Israel does not reflect a commitment to the humanity of Jewish people; Zionism is racist and to be anti-racist one has to be anti-Zionist.

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  1. Keith
    November 20, 2016, 4:07 pm

    “Zionists have always leveraged reactionary, racist, colonial and anti-semitic governments, regimes and organizations – from Russian Tzars to the Nazis to Mussolini to the colonial British Empire to the Christian Right (Christian Zionists).”

    Nice to see you linking Ralph Schoenman’s “The Hidden History of Zionism,” which I have referenced in the past and have been criticized for doing so.

    • Citizen
      November 20, 2016, 6:35 pm

      It’s no surprise that Nazism and Zionism, national socialistic movements both came out of 19th Century Germany/Austria. They have always both early borrowed, relied on mystical myths too. It’s a symbiotic relationship.

  2. Kay24
    November 20, 2016, 8:35 pm

    The dangerous association between two devious and aggressive entities. Their common target of course would be Muslims. They have much in common than we would know, and it’s influence in lands you may never dream of. In this case it is making a pact with another devil.

  3. johneill
    November 20, 2016, 10:47 pm

    it’s baffling to me why this equation is so hard to understand in america. it makes the kkk less anti-semitic (insofar as that’s a useful term) than BDS activists. seems trump is bringing more light on the fact that right-wing zionism (/evangelical zionism in america) is many times more dangerous to life, liberty & pursuit of happiness than a humanitarian call to non-violent resistance could ever be.
    to the authors: bravo for laying out the case so succinctly.

  4. DaBakr
    November 20, 2016, 11:47 pm

    its also no surprise that by the middle of the first paragraph the ‘jewish anti-zionist network’ proves exactly why they are looked upon in such a negative light by those who support israel, zionism and the existence of the only nation for jews in a neighborhood of some 20 other nations for muslims where jews are tolerated and christians are often only recognized as dhimmis as well.

    the so-called ‘jewish anti-zionist network’ reminds me of those persistent yet widely ridiculed members of the neo-nazi movement in the US who are usually met with 3-4x as many counter-protesters who drown out their calls with louder calls of their own. I think this actually happened in the NYC diamond district a year or so back. but-its a free country and jewish ant-zionists are free to ponder why pro-israel people and zionists don’t condemn bannon as an anti-semite while they may or may not support some of the other views expressed on breitbart.
    i read an interesting opinion today (i think it was hrrtz) about liberals traditionally believing that they alone are more open and tolerant while conservative people are closed and less tolerant. that in itself is an presumptive and arrogant joke.

    this election has exposed that cliche for the sham it always has been. liberal anti-zionists are most definitely intolerant as much as members of right wing fringe groups. and this is why latuffs cartoon completely fails in communicating either humour or irony except to the very small group it is targeted at.

    as for bannon and breitbart…rember the time the NYT published an op-ed questioning wether israel even had a right to exist and MW people whole heartedly cheered it. that was absolutely no different then any article by horowitz or geller.

    • eljay
      November 21, 2016, 9:54 am

      || @aBr: … those who support israel, zionism and the existence of the only nation for jews … ||

      A religion-supremacist “nation for Jews” should not exist. No supremacist nation of any kind should exist. The Zio-supremacist position that “murderers exist, so it’s OK to rape” is an immoral one.

      • MHughes976
        November 21, 2016, 12:15 pm

        The idea that every outnumbered group of likeminded people deserves to carve out a state of its own is self-defeating and remarkably dangerous.

      • DaBakr
        November 21, 2016, 9:32 pm

        @mg

        Exactly.

      • eljay
        November 22, 2016, 12:51 pm

        || @aak: @mg Exactly. ||

        Person: The idea that men deserve to force themselves on women is remarkably dangerous.
        Serial rapist: @Prsn Exactly.

        The (deliberate) obliviousness of the Zio-supremacist and the serial rapist is disturbing.

      • Mooser
        November 22, 2016, 10:59 pm

        “The idea that every outnumbered group of likeminded people deserves to carve out a state of its own is self-defeating and remarkably dangerous.”

        “dabakr”: “Exactly”

        See, that only goes for outnumbered groups. That’s not us Jews. Hardly anybody outnumbers us!

    • Misterioso
      November 21, 2016, 10:33 am

      http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.754073

      Ha’aretz, Nov. 21/16

      “Suddenly It’s Okay to Be pro-Israel and anti-Semitic”
      By Gideon Levy

      “Palestinians are calling white nationalist Bannon an anti-Semite, while AIPAC and Dershowitz think he’s not such a bad guy. What more proof do you need that Zionism is a face of white supremacy, and ultimately antithetical to Judaism?”

      “All of a sudden it’s not so terrible to be anti-Semitic. Suddenly it’s excusable as long as you hate Muslims and Arabs and ‘love Israel.’ The Jewish and Israeli right has issued a sweeping amnesty to anti-Semitic lovers of Israel – yes, there is such a thing, and they’re en route to taking power in the United States.

      “So now we know: Not just pornography but also anti-Semitism is a matter of geography and price. Right-wing American anti-Semites are no longer considered anti-Semites.

      “The definition has been updated: From now on, anti-Semites are only found on the left. Roger Waters, a courageous man of conscience without stain, is an anti-Semite. Steve Bannon, a declared racist and closet anti-Semite who has been appointed chief strategist in the Trump White House, is a friend of Israel.

      “Jewish and Israeli activists who left no stone unturned in their effort to discover signs of anti-Semitism, who viewed every parking ticket for an American Jew as an act of hate, who moved heaven and earth every time a Jew was robbed or a Jewish gravestone was cracked, are now whitewashing an anti-Semite. Suddenly they’re not convinced we’re talking about that particular disease.

      “Alan Dershowitz, one of the biggest propagandists in this field, has already come out in defense of the racist Bannon. In a Haaretz piece late last week, Dershowitz wrote that the man whose wife said he didn’t want their children to go to school with Jews isn’t anti-Semitic. ‘The claim was simply made by his former wife in a judicial proceeding, thus giving it no special weight,’ Dershowitz wrote, with specious logic.

      “After all, Dershowitz’s former research assistant, an Orthodox Jew who later worked with Bannon, assured him that he had seen no signs of anti-Semitism in Bannon. And suddenly that’s enough for Dershowitz. Suddenly it’s possible to separate racism from anti-Semitism.

      “Israel’s ambassador in Washington, Ron Dermer, naturally hastened to join the party. Over the weekend, he said he expects to work with Bannon. And boy, does he expect to work with that racist. After all, they’ll agree about everything: that there’s no Palestinian people, that there’s no occupation, that the settlement of Yitzhar should remain forever, that leftists are traitors.

      “For Dermer – ambassador of the illegal outpost of Amona, friend of the Tea Party and boycotter of J Street; a man who if the bilateral relationship had been normal would have been declared persona non grata by the United States – the new appointments are like the dawn of a new day.

      “He’ll feel so at home with Frank Gaffney, another hater of Muslims who’s likely to receive a senior appointment in the new administration; he’ll be so happy working with Bannon. And Mike Huckabee is exactly his cup of tea. Dermer, after all, was given the Freedom Flame Award by the Center for Security Policy, a hate group that proudly flies the flag of Islamophobia.

      “These racists and their ilk are Israel’s best friends in the United States. They’re joined by the racists of the European right. If you discount the guilt feelings over the Holocaust, they’re the only friends Israel has left. When friendship for Israel is judged solely on the basis of support for the occupation, Israel has no friends other than racists and nationalists. That ought to have aroused great shame here: Tell us who your friends are and we’ll tell you who you are.

      “These racists love Israel because it’s carrying out their dreams: to oppress Arabs, to abuse Muslims, to dispossess them, expel them, kill them, demolish their houses, trample their honor. This bunch of trash would so dearly love to behave as we do.

      “But for now this is only possible in Israel, so it’s the light unto the nations in this field. What happened to the days when Jews in South Africa went to prison with Nelson Mandela? Nowadays Jewish activists in America support the new rulers – the racists and anti-Semites.
      The Palestinian-American author Susan Abulhawa wrote on Facebook over the weekend: Palestinians are calling white nationalist Bannon an anti-Semite, while AIPAC and Dershowitz think he’s not such a bad guy. What more proof do you need that Zionism is a face of white supremacy, and ultimately antithetical to Judaism?

      “Last summer, Abulhawa was deported via the Allenby Bridge. And she’s right. The United States and Israel now share the same values – and woe to that sense of shame.”

      • gingershot
        November 22, 2016, 5:40 pm

        This article by Levy and Chemi Shalev’s last several articles in Haaretz are ON FIRE.

        ‘Kahanist anti-Semitism’ = ‘Kahanist Jews hating other Jews for not being Kahanist’.

        Michelle Bachman and other apparent ‘Christian Kahanists’/’Religious Right Zionists’ have likewise unloaded on ‘non-Kahanist Jews’ for not being KAHANIST/ANTI-MUSLIM ENOUGH

        ’Jewish Anti-Muslimism’, aka Kahanism, and the Anti-Muslim milieu in America this has created, is first and foremost a product of the Israel Lobby/Jewish Lobby’s Islamophobia cottage Industry

        Chemi Shalev must read in addition to this Levy article:
        ‘Analysis If Liberal Jews Are the Targets of Trump-inspired [Alt Right Islamophobia] anti-Semitism, Is It Really anti-Semitism? ‘

        The answer is NO, Mr Shalev.

    • pabelmont
      November 21, 2016, 10:46 am

      deBakr: ” the existence of the only nation for jews in a neighborhood of some 20 other nations for muslims”.

      Imagine if a Jewish state had sprung up or been created by the victorious allies (using, of course, all requisite force) in postwar Europe, sending into exile 85% of the residents of the territory upon which they created their state. You know what I mean — instead of doing the very same thing in Palestine.

      Well, that young state would be surrounded by nations not Jewish and would have faced great anger for the stealing of the land and the exiling of the previous residents, probably Christian or of Christian ethnic heritage. Europe harbored a lot more antisemitism then than Palestine did then. How might such a state, so formed and in such a place, have fared, have been perceived and received, 1945-present?

      Why do people persist in failing to understand why Palestinians and Arabs resent and resist Israel — and blaming antisemitism when Israel’s crimes are the actual source?

      • eljay
        November 21, 2016, 11:15 am

        || pabelmont @ November 21, 2016, 10:46 am ||

        This is where the Zio-supremacist makes the mytho-religious point that while Jewish (war) criminal behaviour may not have been justifiable in Europe, it was (and continues to be) fully justifiable in Palestine because all of Palestine belongs to “the Jews” and is their “ancient / historic / one true homeland”. Palestinians, the Zio-supremacist will tell you, have no right to be angry with supremacist Jewish colonists or to resist their hatefulness and immorality.

      • Misterioso
        November 21, 2016, 12:03 pm

        Bingo!!

      • RoHa
        November 21, 2016, 9:49 pm

        “Why do people persist in failing to understand why Palestinians and Arabs resent and resist Israel — and blaming antisemitism when Israel’s crimes are the actual source?”

        Because they do not want to acknowledge that Israel has committed crimes.

      • Maghlawatan
        November 21, 2016, 10:36 pm

        In 2014 Ha’aretz ran a peace conference a couple of weeks before the IDF got the lawnmower out

        http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israel-peace-conference/1.601122

        “Almost every Israeli in the last 47 years has done military service in the territories. Almost all of them have had to do things that go against human decency and morality – often not for the sake of Israel’s security at large, but to protect some isolated outpost of settlers. If indeed Israel were to reach peace with the Palestinians and the Arab world, most Israelis would have to live with the painful realization that most of what Israel has done to the Palestinians was unnecessary; that Israel could have ended the occupation a long time ago; and that the energies and resources invested in the West Bank’s colonization could have been invested in Israel’s flourishing instead.
        This idea is too difficult to bear, and the regret would be unendurable. It is, therefore, psychologically imperative to create a narrative that explains why the occupation was inevitable; why Israel had no choice but to hang onto the West Bank; why all the sacrifice in human lives, moral turpitude and political isolation were necessary for Israel’s survival. ”

        A person representing the Tatar Cossack community won this year’s Eurovision with a song about WW2

        No people has a monopoly on suffering

    • Mooser
      November 21, 2016, 1:04 pm

      “nations …/… where jews are tolerated”

      Exactly! Jews are tolerated in the US, and look what happened to us here! l

      • Maghlawatan
        November 22, 2016, 1:03 am

        What happened ?

      • Mooser
        November 22, 2016, 1:06 pm

        “What happened ?”

        The Anti-Semitic US Constitution refused (G. Washington sent a very curt note to a Rhode Island Synagogue ,making it plain, too!) that Jews would not be afforded the privilege of being recognized as a separate people in the US. A recognition afforded to African-Americans, and Native Americans, but not Jews!
        They refused, absolutely refused to recognize Jewish marriage rights. The right of a community to control who the young people marry!
        Worse than that, the anti-Semitic First Amendment meant that each Jew could interpret his or her religion for themselves, and the US government refused any help in keeping us frum!

    • Mooser
      November 21, 2016, 1:57 pm

      “‘jewish anti-zionist network’ proves exactly why they are looked upon in such a negative light by those who support israel, zionism and the existence of the only nation for jews”

      And the consequences of pissing off most of 2 billion people can be very serious!
      In fact, the number of Jewish anti-Zionists is so small it is probably correct to say “all of 2 billion people” without overgeneralizing.
      You do it at your own peril!

      (“Dabakr”: if it is currently more than 2 bil. let me know and I will correct it. Increases so fast it’s hard to keep track.)

    • talknic
      November 22, 2016, 12:01 am

      @ DaBakr November 20, 2016, 11:47 pm

      ” … its also no surprise that by the middle of the first paragraph the ‘jewish anti-zionist network’ proves exactly why they are looked upon in such a negative light by those who support israel, zionism and the existence of the only nation for jews in a neighborhood of some 20 other nations for muslims where jews are tolerated and christians are often only recognized as dhimmis as well”

      Slight correction ‘those who support israel, zionism and Israel’s disregard for International Law, the UN Charter, relative conventions, UNSC resolutions and Israel’s only proclaimed and recognized borders’

  5. Maghlawatan
    November 21, 2016, 12:07 am

    Bannon didn’t turn up at the ZOA dinner. He is Mr Psy Ops

  6. Maghlawatan
    November 21, 2016, 5:40 am

    Judaism vs Islam is stupid as anyone who understands Byzantine history can tell you . If Constantinpole couldn’t do it, how can Bibi?

    • silamcuz
      November 22, 2016, 9:36 am

      Even the Arabs despised Islam before embracing it. Islam means submitting to the true laws of God. It’s natural I suppose for people who are lost in their own narcissism to be fearful, or angry even, to be told to get over themselves and embrace reality.

      One thing that shouldn’t be ignored is how people maintain the ties to their new faith after the initial embrace. Regardless if they are Arabs, Kurds, Turks, Iranians, Indonesian, Indians, Nigerians, Bosnian, Japanese or American, Muslims generally take great pride in their religion.

      The same cannot be said of Christians, where many are reluctant to embrace it as core aspect of their identity. I suppose the same can be said of the Jews as well. They view their faith often as a baggage tied to them by greater society, hence the high number of atheists and non-deists among Judeo-Christian populations.

      • Mooser
        November 22, 2016, 1:22 pm

        “Silamcuz” you feeble attempt to portray Muslims as bigots isn’t going to work.

  7. Ossinev
    November 21, 2016, 12:50 pm

    @DaBakr
    “the existence of the only nation for jews in a neighborhood of some 20 other nations for muslims”

    I am fighting back the tears here as usual at the thought of all those terrified powerless vulnerable followers of the religion known as Judaism in Florida , Brooklyn , Golders Green etc having no where safe to go to. OMG it is so much worse than the situation in say Syria and Iraq. The adherents of Judaism really do need to have a safe haven and if it means ethnically cleansing , incrementally genociding and stealing from those pesky Muslim Arab native inhabitants of the patch of land they have chosen so be it. Wait a minute though wasn`t this line of thought all the rage within a certain political movement in a certain European country during the 1930`s

    • DaBakr
      November 21, 2016, 9:42 pm

      So… Because Muslims are safe in Turkey and Egypt their is no reason for Muslims in Asia Europe or now possibly America to fear mistreatment. great reasoning skills.

      • talknic
        November 22, 2016, 12:03 am

        LOL They’re YOUR reasoning skills buddy.

  8. yonah fredman
    November 21, 2016, 4:26 pm

    There are high visibility Zionists who have embraced trump and bannon, including Ron dermer speaking for bibi, and dershowitz, representing those of like mind. Very few of hillary’s American Jewish supporters is heading to the side of trump, certainly not today, two weeks after the election. When they/we see Trump’s cozying up to bannon, our reaction is not, “oh, we were wrong to vote for hillary, ” but rather, “told you so.”
    This “told you so” is communicated to that percentage of fellow jews who backed trump.
    The obviousness of trump’s racism was not sufficient cause to get these jews who voted like they were white, so we focus on the jew hating aspects of the alt right.
    Recall that American jews went 71-24 for hillary and even orthodox jews went 56-39 for hillary.

    • Mooser
      November 21, 2016, 4:56 pm

      “The obviousness of trump’s racism was not sufficient cause to get these jews who voted like they were white”

      Well, it certainly wasn’t Zionism (or pelf) which lead American Jews into an error in self-identification like that!
      And it’s not like they’ve ever treated us like we are “white” in America. Can’t understand why they “voted like they were white”.

      • silamcuz
        November 22, 2016, 9:37 am

        Mooser,

        Do you identify as white?

      • Annie Robbins
        November 22, 2016, 12:35 pm

        because ron dermer and netanyahu aren’t white supremacists but instead part of the oppressed minority of colored people.

        ha ha ha ha ha

      • Mooser
        November 22, 2016, 12:43 pm

        “Mooser, Do you identify as white?”

        You are asking me? Can’t you tell? Wow, this is a first! I thought you had that stuff all figured out.

        You need to tell me. You, after all, are the one that knows what being or “identifying as white” entails. So you tell me what I am.

      • Annie Robbins
        November 22, 2016, 1:09 pm

        oh god mooser, you’re opening the floodgates.

      • Mooser
        November 22, 2016, 1:58 pm

        “oh god mooser, you’re opening the floodgates.”

        Really? I don’t think I’ll get so much as a dribble out of him. When asked to put up, “Silamcuz” shuts up.

      • gamal
        November 22, 2016, 4:49 pm

        “Do you identify as white?” silsila you are killing me but

        “You’ve done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?”

      • Mooser
        November 22, 2016, 6:22 pm

        Ah, poor “Silamcuz” seems to have come down with an acute case of monochromacy, all of a sudden.

    • amigo
      November 21, 2016, 4:57 pm

      “Recall that American jews went 71-24 for hillary and even orthodox jews went 56-39 for hillary. -” YF

      Don,t suppose Hillary,s subservience to the Israeli Lobby / Haim Saban et al had any connection , eh.

      Speaking of facile comments.

      • yonah fredman
        November 21, 2016, 6:13 pm

        For those who might consider applying facts and brains to an analysis, consider Obama’s margins (in the american jewish vote measured in exit polls) over mccain, 78-21, and over romney, 69-30.

      • Mooser
        November 21, 2016, 7:20 pm

        “Recall that American jews went 71-24 for hillary and even orthodox jews went 56-39 for hillary. -”

        “Yonah” has been clinging to that statistic like it was a life-jacket.

      • yonah fredman
        November 21, 2016, 11:37 pm

        Mooser, a propagator of false statistics scorns the usage of real stats to put anecdotes in context. What a man of falsity you are. But for a good cause.

      • Mooser
        November 22, 2016, 12:37 pm

        “Mooser, a propagator of false statistics scorns the usage of real stats to put anecdotes in context. What a man of falsity you are. But for a good cause.”

        “Yonah” try some prune juice.
        Of course, if the problem is statistical, you can work it out with a pencil.

  9. yonah fredman
    November 21, 2016, 11:55 pm

    Israel’s foreign policy has not emphasized morality and because of the “light unto the nations” and the obvious shortfall, screeds like this post are inevitable.
    Israel’s sins against the Palestinians is ongoing and at the core of any analysis of how to move forward regarding israel, there must be some deep reckoning with the palestinians.
    On the other hand, the machiavellian ways of navigating the world of survival, that’s just the nature of survival.
    Spoiler alert: ad hominem coming.
    The inability of present day israel to present a vision for the future regarding its core issue does not give license to ignore the circumstances of Israel’s birth, which is fine preaching to the choir, but I am not the choir and you sound to me like barking dogs.
    The wandering nation shtick might just have been the alternate history except for 4 things: 1. zionism, whose root cause was European nationalism which defined them as outside the nation. 2. The Balfour declaration and the follow through of the British mandate. 3. Closed gates of America led Jewish population in palestine to go from 85,000 in 1920 to 400,000 in1939 and 4. The shoah.

    • Maghlawatan
      November 22, 2016, 1:10 am

      5. The Orthodox told their people to stay put and that the UK/US were godless
      6 The people were abandoned by 1942. They had nobody
      7 All the other political options had been destroyed by 1945
      8. Only the Zionists were even remotely stable
      9 Zionism has always been nuts
      10 the people are in Israel now. Fact. But they are indoctrinated. How do you reboot?

    • eljay
      November 22, 2016, 9:12 am

      || yonah fredman: Israel’s foreign policy has not emphasized morality … ||

      Neither has its domestic policy, which is why it continues to exist and operate as a religion-supremacist “Jewish State” – a state primarily of and for Jewish Israelis and non-Israeli Jews – rather than as a secular and democratic Israeli state of and for all of its Israeli citizens, immigrants, expats and refugees, equally.

      || … The inability of present day israel to present a vision for the future regarding its core issue does not give license to ignore the circumstances of Israel’s birth … ||

      Right, and the fact that the rapist was abused as a child gives him license to continue deliberately and unapologetically to rape women.

    • amigo
      November 22, 2016, 11:44 am

      “The inability of present day israel to present a vision for the future regarding its core issue does not give license to ignore the circumstances of Israel’s birth .”YF

      Yonah , it is not about Israel,s inability.It is about Israel,s greed for more land on which to give birth to a Jews only nation in their so called “Jewish Homeland”.

      You are an apologist for that, as evidenced by your facile references to motivations of survival.Get the hell off someone else s land and you will survive.Keep wandering and gobbling up more and more land and your quest for survival will end badly.Nobody is forcing Israel to wander anymore.

      • Annie Robbins
        November 22, 2016, 12:02 pm

        does not give license to ignore the circumstances of Israel’s birth

        the very concept one needs a “license” to ignore, disregard or dismiss hasbara narrative of “israel’s birth” is a diversion in the discussion of israel’s unwillingness to end apartheid, occupation, gross inhumane violations of human rights and war crimes. no different than ignoring 3000 yr old allegations.

        we sound like “barking dogs” to him, this is a person with his hands over his ears screaming “la la la la i can’t hear you, go get license to speak from the master” > diversion technique.

    • Mooser
      November 22, 2016, 12:47 pm

      “The inability of present day israel to present a vision for the future regarding its core issue does not give license to ignore the circumstances of Israel’s birth,”

      You said it, “Yonah”. The Nakba must not be forgotten! (and a lot of other stuff) Yes, Israel is condemned by its past and its present. Thanks for recognizing that.

      Using the troubles of the Jews to defraud them, that’s Zioniosm.

      • Annie Robbins
        November 22, 2016, 1:08 pm

        can’t forget the nakba because the colonization is still going on!

  10. Ossinev
    November 22, 2016, 7:11 am

    @YonahFriedman
    “zionism, whose root cause was European nationalism which defined them as outside the nation”

    Funny I always thought that Herzl and Co irrespective of European nationalism positively wanted the European Jews ( ie natives of various European nations who practiced the monotheistic religion known as Judaism ) to “return to ” Zion/Bibliland/Land of Creation call it what you like and set up some form of Jewish religious state albeit a peculiar secularized , socialist non wailing non Torah scrutinising version. I believe also that he actually accepted that there were native inhabitants in this coveted patch of earth viz the Arabs ( none of that a land without people for a people without land crap ) and being a good houseproud socialist he believed that they should somehow be incorporated into this new “Jewish” state and have equal rights inc the right to vote.

  11. gingershot
    November 22, 2016, 5:56 pm

    ‘Anti-Kahanism is NOT Anti-Semitism, unless the Semite is a Kahanist’

    Years of this Kahanist whipped up Anti-Muslimism is dooming the collapse of Political Judaism

    Islamophobia is CREATED by Frank Gaffney and the REST of the Israel Lobby in their Islamophobia cottage industry

    Steve Bannon is a Sarah Palin (he sings her praises on Youtube) – a willing useful idjit of the Neocons

    • gingershot
      November 22, 2016, 6:37 pm

      correction: ‘Years of this Kahanist whipped up Anti-Muslimism are now creating the collapse of Political Judaism ‘

  12. gingershot
    November 22, 2016, 6:45 pm

    Paul Jay (of ‘The Real News network’) tells Larry Wilkeson on Nov 21 2016:

    ‘Breitbart got the idea for it (Breitbart News) while he was in Israel because he wanted a website that would be absolutely unmitigated support for Israel. .. precisely to advance hawkish Zionist position and that’s the guy Steve Bannon who was running Breitbart News.’

    ‘Wilkerson: If Trump Moves U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem, War Against Iran Could Come Next’
    On the RealNews site

    PAUL JAY: I mean its important to see as we talk about the team that are in Trump’s ear. Clearly one of the most influential persons in that ear is Steve Bannon from Breitbart News. Breitbart News is – I guess most people have heard it by now. It was formed to be a right-wing Huffington Post. But it’s important to know that Breitbart got the idea for it while he was in Israel because he wanted a website that would be absolutely unmitigated support for Israel. The slogan was 4 Israel for Freedom. It was found precisely to advance hawkish Zionist position and that’s the guy Steve Bannon who was running Breitbart News.

  13. yourstruly
    November 23, 2016, 1:58 am

    On January’s inauguration day massive rallies throughout the land would be a shot fired across the bow of the ship of state, warning its commander-in-chief Donald Trump to cease and desist from turning our great nation into a blight upon the earth. Or else!

    • echinococcus
      November 23, 2016, 9:52 am

      Yours Truly,

      … cease and desist from turning our great nation into a blight upon the earth.

      A little late. Are you Sleeping Beauty?

      Even if we reset to zero at the end of WWII, we’ve been Blight #1 since then. No question. Ask the Palestinians! Ask anyone. Look at what the world population answer to the surveys.

      Granted, there is a reasonable expectation of its getting worse, watching the pattern of Obama worse than Bush II who was worse than Clinton I who was worse… so yes, it may get worse still, but suddenly “turning our great nation into a blight upon the earth”?

      • yourstruly
        November 24, 2016, 3:46 pm

        Good point!

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