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Jewish groups are conducting a “witch hunt” against Minnesota Congressman Keith Ellison, and it exposes “a very bad tendency” of the Jewish community to drive anyone who has criticized Israel out of public position, the leader of the liberal Zionist group J Street said last night to a Jewish audience in New York.

Jeremy Ben-Ami was responding to reports yesterday that Ellison, who wants to be the next chair of the Democratic National Committee, had said in 2010 that American foreign policy for the entire Middle East is “governed by” what is in Israel’s interests because of the “Americans who trace their roots back to” Israel, i.e., American Jews. The Anti Defamation League promptly said that Ellison was disqualified for the DNC position.

Ben-Ami spoke at a Jewish forum on Israel at B’nai Jeshurun, a synagogue on NY’s Upper West Side. Jane Eisner, the editor of the Forward, said that the Keith Ellison statement that had “bubbled up” that afternoon was “awful” and that he has a “rather troubling record” on Israel. But she said she might be willing to dismiss things he had said “offhandedly,” the same way the Jewish community can dismiss the fact that Pentagon pick General James Mattis once said Israel is headed for “apartheid.”

Ben-Ami responded:

I just have to jump in for his defense. I think that there’s nothing troubling about his record. I think that the witch hunt that is going on on Keith Ellison is reminiscent of the witch hunt that goes on every single time somebody who has dared to criticize the policies of the government of Israel steps forward and has a potential to hold position in this country. And the ADL and other organizations come after them until they’re driven out of the competition for that job and I think it’s a very bad tendency of our community.

Ben-Ami said he has no preference for Democratic party chair, but that Ellison must be allowed to be critical of Israel.

I have traveled with Keith to Israel. I’ve gone to Sderot and talked with the Israeli victims of the rockets from Gaza. We have met with Israelis and Palestinians together. There is no one more committed to a two state solution for the sake of Israel’s security than Keith Ellison….

I do have a stake in the dynamic in America where people like Keith who are critical of Israeli policy end up cast as having a quote unquote troubling record on Israel. It’s not a troubling record. He’s critical of the policies of the government of Israel.

Then he addressed the quote in question and said he has said the same:

And he is calling out the fact that the voices that push for policies here are very very powerful. And the quote that was quoted was him speaking to Arab Americans, saying, If you want to have a say, then you have to learn the way the Jewish Americans do it. I say that to the Arab American leaders…. You have to be organized.

Look at what the Jewish community has done for the last 50, 60 years. I’m proud of it. I’m proud of AIPAC. I’m proud of what we’ve done to build the us Israel relationship. You do the same, get a PAC, get a lobby, get organized.

Michael Makovsky, a neoconservative who heads the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs, then said — the panel was all Zionists, no Jewish anti-Zionists, don’t you worry about that — then said that Ellison was no James Mattis. Obviously reading from talking points, Makovsky said that Ellison had been a “member of Farrakhan’s organization the Nation of Islam,” that in 2007 he compared 9/11 attacks to the Reichstag fire as a conspiracy to gain political power, and that in 2014 he was one of eight House members who voted against giving Israel $225 million for military batteries depleted after its assault on Gaza.

Again Ben-Ami leapt to Ellison’s defense. Ellison had apologized for the 2007 remark and he had voted for military aid to Israel “across the board.” He had not done so in 2014 on procedural grounds. “He is a staunch supporter of Israel’s security.”

Then Ben-Ami lumped Makovsky in with the Jewish community’s witch hunt:

To go on this kind of witch hunt where you continue to throw things out about him to imply something about him that isn’t true is what’s wrong with the way we discuss Israel in this community. We slander the reputation and name of a good man who is a friend of Israel and is looking to achieve peace and security not just for Israel but for the Palestinian people.

So pro-Israel organizations are turning on one another. And we’re finally going to have an honest conversation about the power of the Israel lobby? Maybe yes, maybe no. One truth is clear. The most unforgiveable thing about what Walt and Mearsheimer wrote 10 years ago, when they had to publish in London, was that they weren’t Jewish.

P.S. Another interesting exchange occurred when Makovsky, whose political outlook is that the U.S. must have an aggressive foreign policy to project strength and support Israel, all but accused President Obama and John Kerry of anti-Semitism for remarks they made about Israel’s lobbying against the Iran deal. He referred to Obama’s complaint about pressure on him from lobbyists on the Iran deal, and a comment by Kerry that Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu would be calling him and saying it’s time to bomb Iran if Congress rejected the deal (at this Senate hearing). Makovsky said the rhetoric was reminiscent of Pat Buchanan and the Republican Party in the 1990s (before Bill Kristol led the purge of “the Arabists,” as he bragged in the very same Jewish space).

“I think the Jewish community let some things pass that they shouldn’t have,” Makovsky said.

Eisner responded that Israel brought the criticism on itself with its overreach: Netanyahu’s speech to Congress in March 2015 against the Iran deal, bypassing the White House. “It is really surprising to me that there wasn’t more retaliation against that,” she said. “I cant imagine the leader of any other country, any other country in the world, having the chutzpah to do that.”

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  1. pabelmont
    December 2, 2016, 9:25 am

    Well, Carter says to Obama “do this” and AIPAC says to Obama “don’t do that” and Obama (but why?) sees his toast buttered on the AIPAC side. And now the DEMs are wondering whether to go in a Sanders-like direction at DNC or an oligarchic (Obama/Clinton-like) direction at DNC.

    Having committed suicide once they toy with doing it again. Four years of Trump (as payment/punishment for ignoring the poor, the young, the idealistic) may not be enough for the corporatist-DEMs. Let’s lock-in the REPs, they seem to say.

    Or, “let us tweak our message without making any real changes” and maybe we can oust Trump and get back into the comfortable Clinton/Obama rut again. They want to fool Americans, not serve Americans.

    So sad.

    And then there’s the “shout down all negative comment” cries from AIPAC, from TheForward, etc., and you see that BIG-ZION wants to win at all costs, even at the cost of democracy in the USA. Well, of course, we knew that already.

    Thanks Ben-Ami.

    • Kathleen
      December 3, 2016, 12:10 pm

      Pelosi holding onto her position insures no changes. The well entrenched old guard keep hold, No way for them to understand the Sanders crowd both young and older,.

      Sanders ignited what was all ready there and successfully harnessed the hunger for social justice and human rights that Pelosi and team just seem to be incapable of wrapping their heads around,

  2. just
    December 2, 2016, 10:42 am

    “I have traveled with Keith to Israel. I’ve gone to Sderot and talked with the Israeli victims of the rockets from Gaza.”

    An amazing statement. The “Israeli victims of the rockets from Gaza” can talk with visitors! I guess it’s just bad luck that the dead Palestinian victims of the Israeli massacre of Gaza cannot.

    “We have met with Israelis and Palestinians together.”


    So disturbing to read that Ben- Ami and Schumer (Shomer) feel that they must come to the defense of this man as though he needs permission to be even a teensy bit “critical” of the government of Israel and the enormous influence that it has over the US government. It just goes to show that this is still true…

    “ADL Slams Keith Ellison’s ‘Disturbing and Disqualifying’ Remarks on Israel

    Poised to become the next chair of the Democratic National Committee, Ellison is under fire a 2010 recording in which he criticizes U.S. support of Israel; Sen. Schumer defends Ellison, who says his remarks were taken out of context.”

    read more:

    Thanks, Phil.

  3. broadside
    December 2, 2016, 11:06 am

    Phil: “So pro-Israel organizations are turning on one another. So are we finally going to have an honest conversation about the power of the Israel lobby?”

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

    I give up. (More tears.)

    Forward editor Eisner on Netanyahu’s speech to Congress: “It is really surprising to me that there wasn’t more retaliation against that.”

    It is? When hers and like-minded magazines were the reason there wasn’t?

    Continuing: “I cant imagine the leader of any other country, any other country in the world, having the chutzpah to do that.”

    None does.

    She could have added: “I can’t imagine any other country having a government so craven as to allow it.”

    None does.

  4. John Smithson
    December 2, 2016, 11:45 am

    “The most unforgiveable thing about what Walt and Mearsheimer wrote 10 years ago was that they weren’t Jewish.”

    What’s that supposed to mean?

  5. Annie Robbins
    December 2, 2016, 12:18 pm

    Jewish groups are conducting a “witch hunt”

    Ellison…said .. that American foreign policy for the entire Middle East is “governed by” what is in Israel’s interests because of ..American Jews.

    Jane Eisner… said that what Keith Ellison had said was “awful”

    Ben-Ami said … Ellison must be allowed to be critical of Israel.

    Makovsky, whose political outlook is that the U.S. must have an aggressive foreign policy to project strength and support Israel

    the panel was all Zionists, no Jewish anti-Zionists

    So are we finally going to have an honest conversation about the power of the Israel lobby?

    The most unforgiveable thing about what Walt and Mearsheimer wrote 10 years ago …. was that they weren’t Jewish.

    this string of quotes says it all. the only people having a conversation, the only people allowed in this conversation, are zionist jews. everyone else beware. “we” are not allowed in the conversation. the adl puts it’s foot down and the yammering of the zionists begins.

    as far as i can tell the zionist jews very much determine what goes on in the region, just like Makovsky wants: “the U.S. must have an aggressive foreign policy to project strength and support Israel”. and god forbid ellison or anyone else points that out because to speak it, is to be an anti semite. so everyone else is supposed to shut up about it lest all hell breaks loose.

    last night josh marshal wrote

    ” the last thing the Democratic Party needs right now is a toxic internecine fight over Israel”, to which i responded “actually, we really need to talk about it. as a party and as a country. #38billion
    if it takes a fight to have that conversation count me in”, he then said “thanks for your input”.

    but as this argument heats up, what about all those other democrats who are not zionist jews? do they have a say, in the press, anywhere, on whether we care if keith ellison, or anyone else running for chairman of the dem party, thinks “American foreign policy for the entire Middle East is “governed by” what is in Israel’s interests because of ..American Jews”? because this little panel indicates this is exactly what they want to do and feel privileged to do. they could invite others who are not jewish, or we could just speak up.

    “thanks for your input.”… like why not open up this conversation to the american people instead of having this adl hammer lording over the issue. it’s really not for them to decide. it’s as if every significant position in the party whether it be the florida chair of the dems (bullard) or the party chair or the nominees for gov or anything — this is where the buck stops. if you’re not sufficiently zionist you’re not allowed in office.

    walk back your statement, grovel before us, denounce bds .. etc etc.. it’s disgusting.

    • Annie Robbins
      December 2, 2016, 12:31 pm

      and marshall was not the only one noticing. Benjy Sarlin, political reporter for msnbc and nbc:

      • Mooser
        December 2, 2016, 1:59 pm

        Marshall is hilarious today.

        “What the Clinton campaign simply wasn’t, in any way that I at least can see having any meaning, was an ‘identity politics’ campaign.”

        Ho-Kay, Josh.

      • Annie Robbins
        December 2, 2016, 2:11 pm

        yes i noticed that myself mooser:

      • Mooser
        December 2, 2016, 2:23 pm

        “yes i noticed that myself mooser:”

        Ah! Two minds with but a single thought! Anyway, when you are done with it, I’ll need it back. It’s the only one I’ve got!

        Of course, a real “identity politics” seems to be evident in the Dems discussion of Israel. You better have the right identity, or you can’t discuss the politics.

      • Mooser
        December 2, 2016, 7:38 pm

        And equally important, we are in an era when real anti-Semitism has been rearing its head in the United States in a way it has not done in 80s.

      • Mooser
        December 2, 2016, 7:48 pm

        Sorry, my ‘mouse’ chose that moment to malfunction.
        Sentence above is quote from Marshall article on Keith Ellison. There’s not one link in the sentence.
        I guess I’m supposed to know what he is talking about.
        Oh, I checked the quote, that’s verbatim “in a way it has not done in 80s.” .

      • Sibiriak
        December 4, 2016, 10:59 am

        Identity politics?

        Hillary “Let’s Make History” Clinton:

        “Sen. Sanders is the only person who I think would characterize me, a woman running to be the first woman president, as exemplifying the establishment.”

    • Mooser
      December 2, 2016, 12:34 pm

      the last thing the Democratic Party needs right now is a toxic internecine fight over Israel”

      Josh Marshall is too much. The “aggressive independent journalist” about everything except Israel.
      He changes completely, 180 degrees, as soon as it comes to Israel. It’s like a syndrome.

      “I told you earlier that there’s a core on the far-right in Israeli politics that genuinely thinks that Israel has put up with quite enough grief and hectoring from the United States. And it needs to tell the US to bugger off, find some new great power allies and get on with kicking ass unfettered. This is truly insane. As a Jew and a Zionist I would find this hilarious if it were not so insane and potentially tragic.”

      • Mooser
        December 2, 2016, 12:49 pm

        Well, I guess Josh Marshall can heave a sigh of relief. It looks like Israel won’t have to lose the US as an ally to find “great power allies and get on with kicking ass unfettered”. The Trump regime should do very nicely.

      • Maghlawatan
        December 2, 2016, 3:38 pm

        Why not have a toxic internecine fight and expel the parasite ? Israel is not the Democratic Party’s problem. Israel never put food on American tables.

        It’s a complete waste of time. Let Israeli sovereignty do what it says on the tin and mind its own business

      • Keith
        December 2, 2016, 5:22 pm

        MAGHLAWATAN- “Israel is not the Democratic Party’s problem.”

        Of course it is. Organized Jewish campaign contributions account for over 50% of the Democratic Party funding. If fat-cat Jewish Zionists withdrew their financial support, the Democratic Party would soon become a powerless Third Party. Support for Israel has become so ingrained in the Democratic Party as to be virtually automatic. I repeat a previous quote and link about how Tom Hayden had to curry Jewish approval to even run as a Democrat for the California State Government.

        “In other words, in this article Hayden was describing, in an unusually concrete way, how the state of Israel, through its state officials and their compliant American partners, was effectively managing—exercising veto power over Democratic Party candidates, at the very least—American elections down to the level of State Assembly. In any constituency “attuned to the question of Israel, even in local and state elections,” Hayden knew he “had to be certified ‘kosher,’ not once but over and over again.” (Jim Kavanagh)

      • Maghlawatan
        December 2, 2016, 8:42 pm

        Keith you seem to imply that parasitical Zionist money is the only possible funding model for the Dems. I cannot buy that.

      • Keith
        December 2, 2016, 9:09 pm

        MAGHLAWATAN- “Keith you seem to imply that parasitical Zionist money is the only possible funding model for the Dems.”

        No I didn’t. I indicated that Jewish Zionist money was critical for Democratic Party victory at the polls. The Greens didn’t rely on Zionist money and look how well they did. If you know anything about the Democratic Leadership Council and the New Democrats like Bill Clinton, then you are aware of how the right turn of the Democrats was designed to attract corporate and other fat-cat funding. Jewish Zionist campaign funding is absolutely critical for Democratic political campaigns. Just try taking the Democrats back to their roots and see what happens.

      • Mooser
        December 3, 2016, 11:56 am

        – “Keith you seem to imply that parasitical Zionist money is the only possible funding model for the Dems.”

        Now wait a minute! It’s not the only way to fund it, and the Dems don’t even really depend on it. They just want to make sure it doesn’t go to anybody else.

    • Annie Robbins
      December 4, 2016, 11:38 am

      yes i picked that up mooser, buoyed by the state report buoyed by the ADL report.

      Sibiriak, exactly. that was her primary selling pt, being a woman.

  6. yonah fredman
    December 2, 2016, 12:58 pm

    The Keith Ellison dnc fight, you could see this one coming up 6th Avenue (as letterman would say when he was still on 6th avenue.)
    For the democrat grass roots , he fulfills both identity politics and a solid left winger, early Bernie supporter. Trump will be going against muslims in various ways- policy and rhetoric. Opponents of trump must confront him on both rhetoric and policy. Who better to embody that opposition than an american black muslim.
    Even though ellison is a mainstream muslim rather than an NOI (Nation of Islam ) muslim,
    To pretend that American black muslim can be separated from its cultural connotations is a pretense. Malcolm x, elijah muhammmad, Muhammad ali, farrakhan all immediately come to mind. Usually malcolm and Ali have good associations, whereas THEM (The Honorable Elijah Muhammad) and farrakhan have bad associations attached to their names and images.

    The ADL has taken the lead in opposing bannon. The ADL sees its mission as two fold: anti discrimination and support for israel. J street has a singular vision, support for a specific vision vis a vis israel. ADL ‘s support for israel is not nearly so specific. It may be natural for Ben ami to see Keith Ellison as an ally to the j street vision and for adl to see ellison as one of the key anti Israel voices in the US Congress and therefore to oppose him. Ben ami’s use of the term “Witch hunt” seems to me rhetorical excess, particularly because opposition to ellison is natural to (nonspecific vision) supporters of israel.

    JJ goldberg, in the forward, covers the ellison dnc vs the jews controversy well.

    • yonah fredman
      December 2, 2016, 1:39 pm

      I think ADL’s language of “disqualified” ,rather than “we oppose him for this post” was excessive rhetoric as well.

      • Mooser
        December 2, 2016, 1:48 pm

        “I think ADL’s language of “disqualified” ,rather than “we oppose him for this post” was excessive rhetoric as well.”

        Yeah, they should have said “Dimaggio”.

      • yonah fredman
        December 2, 2016, 3:08 pm

        mooser- i’ll supply the punch line and you provide the joke.
        punch line: I had a roast beef on a hard roll.

      • Mooser
        December 2, 2016, 4:04 pm

        “i’ll supply the punch line and you provide the joke.”

        That’s all right, “Yonah” I read your comments, and I think you have covered both.

    • yonah fredman
      December 2, 2016, 3:05 pm

      This is what I posted on JJ Goldberg’s facebook page. I considered editing the language to avoid arguments with mw denizens, but have chosen to leave it intact, with a willingness to tone down some of my language if forced to by objections:

      Keith Ellison is a hard sell to jews who support israel unquestioningly and hate farrakhan unconditionally. Because my israel views are closer to j street than to aipac, his israel views are within shouting distance of acceptability. On the other hand, the farrakhan connection is deeply troubling. His raising the reichstag fire when the topic was 9/11 indicates someone close enough to street rhetoric (and I mean that in a bad way) for me to put a big question mark on his file. When he was young he followed farrakhan, did he outgrow it or did he aim for higher office and force himself to disavow it. We can’t know.
      Mostly I am on the sidelines on this fight. Trump is going to be president and keeping him to one term and strengthening the Democrats in Congress is my highest priority. If ellison were running for president, that would be problematic. But he’s not. He’s running for dnc chairman. His job is to energize the base. A candidate for president can go one of two ways: energize the base or attract those on the fence. But a party chairman is not about expanding the party, he’s about energizing the base, and for that, ellison is useful. Very soon trump will show us precisely how far he is willing to go to curb the rights (or merely insult) muslims. If one fears and hates trump, and I do, one must use all tools to keep him to one term, and Keith Ellison could be useful.
      Who are the stars of the Democratic party. They are few and far between. I am a democrat because I prefer rfk and Humphrey to nixon. And trump was no plain republican, he’s a vulgar “Lock her up” bannon buchanan, David duke republican. So I hate trump. I don’t like the Republican party, but I fear and hate trump.

      • Maghlawatan
        December 2, 2016, 3:29 pm

        Jews who support Israel unquestioningly are party to systematic human right abuses and will have to rejoin the reality based community at some stage.
        As David Schneider said a while ago Israel is the cousin who is addicted to heroin and the family does not know what to do.

      • Mooser
        December 2, 2016, 5:44 pm

        “Keith Ellison is a hard sell to jews who support israel unquestioningly and hate farrakhan unconditionally”

        Don’t worry “Yonah”, all those Jews (“who support israel unquestioningly and hate farrakhan unconditionally”) have already switched to Trump. He wasn’t a hard sell at all.
        Won’t be very long before “jews who support israel unquestioningly and hate farrakhan unconditionally” won’t make much difference to the Democrats, they will all be Trump Republicans.

  7. irmep
    December 3, 2016, 8:26 am

    Senator Rufus Holman. Holman served as a Republican United States Senator for Oregon during WWII, after previously serving as the state’s treasurer and on a board of commissioners. However, Holman was an isolationist. Although he supported WWII, he was critical of the expansive foreign policies of President Franklin D. Roosevelt. Holman clearly would have been an obstacle to U.S. support for the formation of a Jewish State in Palestine. From the ADL’s perspective, Holman had to go.

    On April 10, 1944, Holman asked for an FBI and Justice Department investigation into the ADL’s orchestration of a boycott against his business and reelection campaign via a primary challenge. According to an internal FBI memo:

    “Senator Holman stated he understood that the purpose of the organization was to uncover anti-Jewish statements and that the Jews would then boycott people who were reported to make such remarks without a hearing or chance to be heard…He further remarked that there was no check upon the activities of the Anti-Defamation League… ”

    Before running any check into whether statutes had been violated, the Portland FBI office confirmed it had a problem. It was carrying attorney David Robinson, head of the ADL Oregon office, as Confidential Informant #7 “on the Bureau’s records…

    ” The FBI’s confidential informant “Robinson is endeavoring to line up the Jewish vote behind Wayne Morse [Homan’s primary challenger].”

    FBI Special Agent David A. Silver of Portland reported that the pressure was on from the ADL,

    “Jack Barde of the Barde Steel Company and Abe Gilbert of the Gilbert Hardware Company, both of Portland, and both Jews, gave a dinner for Senator Holman. Silver said he was heard that Robinson chided them for doing so.”

    Holman wanted an investigation into the core purpose of the ADL, listing four key questions.

    “Is the Anti-Defamation League recognized officially by the Government and the United States? How do they determine who is Anti-Semitic? What is their weapon? Who finances it? Who contributes to it and in what amounts?”

    The Department of Justice refused to investigate, and the FBI retained the services of its confidential informant. Senator Wayne Morse defeated Holman in the primary and won the general election in November of 1944. He was unwavering in his drive to deliver ever larger U.S. aid packages to Israel, claiming it was the moral obligation of every American.

    pp 121-123 “Big Israel: How Israel’s Lobby Moves America”

    • Maghlawatan
      December 3, 2016, 12:52 pm

      If Israel was sustainable there wouldn’t be any need for ADL in 2016. But Israel never addressed the Palestinian issue so the bullshit continues.

      Jewish leadership in the 20th century can only be filed under “atrocious”

    • Maghlawatan
      December 3, 2016, 1:52 pm

      Israel is the Violet Elizabeth of international diplomacy

      I’ll thweam and thweam and thweam

  8. AddictionMyth
    December 3, 2016, 10:18 am

    Yes the attacks on Ellison are a witch hunt. However, anti-BDS legislation is a bigger witch hunt and it has passed in many states including NY and CA and now is coming at a national level. And Ellison supports this. Which is why Schumer supports Ellison – they love witch hunts regardless of who the target is (Jews or Palestinians). In fact, the Holocaust started in much the same way – Weimar ‘blasphemy’ laws originally intended to protect the Jews.

    As much as they complain about Trump, they want nothing more than to import Israel’s police state – armed guards outside every bar and convenience store. All online activity tracked for signs of ‘radicalization’. Europe is already too far gone. It’s not too late for the US.

    • Maghlawatan
      December 3, 2016, 11:35 am

      The ADL blacklists anyone who supports the Palestinians and wants people to fight antisemitism?

      I think there is a precedent for that

  9. Kathleen
    December 3, 2016, 12:01 pm

    How many honorable individuals positions or careers etc have been damaged or destroyed as a direct consequence of destructive efforts by ADL, Aipac, Jinsa because that person has made fact based comments about the conflict which criticize Israel,’s actions.

    Wondering if someone at MW could get an interview with Senator Schumer on his support for Eliason for DNC chair?

    Remember when Schumer led the way on destroying Charles Freeman’s chances f to be chair of the National Intelligence Council, .

  10. Ossinev
    December 3, 2016, 1:12 pm

    I am not American and I don`t have any in depth knowledge of the ADL. For what it is worth though and from what little I do know it is a rather creepy sham ( particularly when the seriously creepy Foxman was the front man ). For a start as a Brit I find the use of the term “defamation ” a little bit weird.It is not a term which in my knowledge is common parlance here in the UK and comes across as a little bit Victorian. The ADL however does mirror the tactics of other Zionist/Pro- Israel “institutions” “think tanks” etc here in the UK and Europe. They rather pathetically with a typical Zionist arrogance for peoples intelligence wrap up their titles and their “mission objectives ” with totally meaningless statements about fighting injustice discrimination prejudice of all kinds and a favourite here in the UK and Europe that of striving for a ” peaceful solution” to the I/P conflict. Of course it is all a load of hypocritical bollocks. They don`t care a fig for the rights of others for any prejudices,injustices being suffered by any people other than the ones they imagine are being visited on Zionist Jews. Happily I believe their days are increasingly numbered as the younger generation of genuinely liberal and increasingly assimilated American and European Jews are distancing themselves and openly speaking about Israel`s disgusting record on human rights and especially in the US how the mainstream political parties have covered up for Israel all these years. It will IMO all start to unravel very soon.

  11. James Canning
    December 3, 2016, 1:34 pm

    Does one expect any honest assessment, from ADL?

    • Kathleen
      December 3, 2016, 4:11 pm

      When you listen to Abe Foxman and some of the things he says, does not sound like you would get an “honest assessment”

      Have recently heard the new I believe director of ADL on Chris Hayes or Maddow’s and he seemed quite level headed and fact based,

      • Mooser
        December 3, 2016, 8:32 pm

        “Have recently heard the new I believe director of ADL on Chris Hayes or Maddow’s and he seemed quite level headed and fact based”

        I think that’s Jonathan Greenblatt, and many people have expressed a lot of optimism about him heading the ADL.

      • Maghlawatan
        December 4, 2016, 1:35 am

        Mooser, until the issue of Israeli identity manufacture is addressed nothing will change. Zionism self defines as persecuted and not Palestinian. They cannot integrate the notion of Palestinian rights. This is why Zochrot is such a challenge to the goons who control the memes.

        The ADL can’t overcome what Israeli Jewish schoolbooks say.
        Zionism was conceived intellectually on the back of a cigarette packet and it shows.

        BTW they have a lovely identity for you as well

  12. yonah fredman
    December 3, 2016, 1:39 pm

    It is difficult to separate the two issues, but aside from israel palestine, there is the issue of liberal vs centrist.
    In 1960, the centrist third Eisenhower term nixon lost narrowly to jfk. The Republican party reacted in 64 by nominating a hardcore conservative, goldwater. He lost in a landslide, but 16 years later reagan took the white house as a goldwater republican.
    Is the Democratic party headed the same way, reacting to the narrow defeat of centrist 3rd term for obama that is hillary by veering to the left. Hillary’s narrow victory over sanders in the primary, which was enabled only by the black vote, further pushes the tendency toward hard core liberal reaction to the hillary defeat. The centrists of the Democratic party appear dull and listless like Tim kaine, or over the hill like Joe Biden whereas liz warren, Keith Ellison and sanders, seem energetic. So the leftward trend rejecting the quarter century legacy of the Clinton’s is strong.
    But, but, but…
    There are many levels of government in the US and the presidency is only one. The concentration of hillary voters in chicago, new York and california, is a weakness, with the federal system of states power. The number of democrats in state legislatures is at an all time low and while the revolution of strong coffee, rather than diluted by milk coffee seems attractive to purists, the clever reaction might indicate au contraire that the center is desirable in order to win elections.

    • Mooser
      December 4, 2016, 5:29 pm

      “Yonah” isn’t it about time you forgave Malcom X for talking about coffee?

  13. Sulphurdunn
    December 5, 2016, 6:40 pm

    It seems more and more that here in the home of the brave and the land of the free that people are excoriated for saying the wrong thing, with no regard whatsoever to whether it is true or false. Political arguments are based less upon evidence than emotion, cultural bias and inculcated religious bigotry. It increasingly looks like Adolph Hitler and Edward Bernays were right about the credulous stupidity of the masses. Fact makes the asinine notion of a master race or a chosen people or any other form of cultural, religious, ethnic or racial exceptionalism both ludicrous and dangerous. Yet this folly not only persists but is used by people who know better to sucker rubes who don’t.

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