No space for Zionism

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There is no space for Zionism in any movement which seeks to alleviate even an iota of oppression from marginalized people. There is no space, no room should be made, no platform to be held, for Zionism, which is diametrically opposed to intersectional feminism, both in theory and praxis.

Zionism has oft been used as a tool by the white supremacist bourgeoisie to stifle and critique liberation movements, but over the past three years, we’ve seen a rise in this tactic, coinciding with the rise of the Movement for Black Lives. The tactic is divisive and impactful because the Palestinian-Israeli conflict is a contemporary political event that is rarely taught, and when it is it tends to come from biased, falsified sources.

On July 8, 2016, of last year, an article by Rabbi Dan Dortch, “As a Rabbi, I Can’t Support Black Lives Matter When They Call to Boycott ‘Apartheid’ Israel” was published, blasting the Movement for Black Lives. Specifically, the article was pointed at ATLisReady, a collective of Atlanta organizers who fight for local racial justice, for including solidarity to the Palestinian struggle in their demands. In the ATLisReady demands, it states:

“The people demand a complete overhaul of Atlanta Police Department’s (APD) training institutions, and instead utilize models based on de-escalation rather than militarized tactics that aid or perpetuate mass incarceration. We demand a termination to APD’s involvement in the Georgia International Law Enforcement Exchange (GILEE) program, that trains our officers in Apartheid Israel.”

This portion of the demands is in reference to the specific occurrence of Atlanta police officers being trained by the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF). However, it fits into a larger context of demands by the national Movement for Black Lives Matter calling attention to Israeli Apartheid. This shows a rebirth in the trend of Black and Palestinian solidarity, which is rooted in a historical solidarity over many decades.

At the crux of Rabbi Dortch’s article he states, “Black Lives Matter demonstrated an incredible ignorance of history and present circumstance that dictates that these conflicts should not be linked whatsoever.” Not only is this statement rooted in notions of anti-Blackness which assume Black organizers lack historical substance and context on the subject of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, it also minimizes the struggles of Black people internationally—including those living in Israel.

Recognizing the patterns of racial discrimination, land occupation, and displacement throughout the Black diaspora in history, we as a collective of Black organizers also understand how the current placement of Israel and its actions stand as a historical continuum of apartheid epistemology. This apartheid epistemology—or apartheid “thought structure’ and perception— perpetuates a hierarchy/superiority based on systemic segregation and discrimination based on race and/or ethnicity. This epistemological framework is violent, and allows for the justification of violence against the Palestinian people, as similar epistemologies allowed for the justification of Jim Crow laws.

As Black activists and organizers, we lend solidarity and support to the Indigenous communities of this country, to those who face gendered violence in the Congo, to the humans disappeared by the Mexican government, and to all oppressed abroad. It is in this same vein of international solidarity that we give our support to the Palestinian people, and recognize Zionism as antithetical to our own liberation.

“What I experienced there I have never experienced before,” said Nelini Stamp, one of the many Black activists who have gone on delegations to Palestine. “On the streets of Hebron, there were small metal canisters everywhere. I picked up one and immediately recognized the familiar ‘CSI’ logo [Combined Systems, Inc.]. This name was very familiar to me because [of] my time in the streets of Ferguson after the large clashes with police there, the same canisters with the same ‘CSI’ logo attached were everywhere. I was immediately thrown back into remembering Ferguson, Baltimore, and New York, and all of the places in my country where mass amounts of Black people have been hit with pepper spray, tear gassed, and thrown into jail – all for simply demanding our rights.”

You see, these experiences are all too common for us and cannot be ignored. Black activists have been extending solidarity towards Palestine for decades, as James Baldwin famously stated that Israel “was created for the salvation of the Western interests.” When we were protesting throughout Ferguson, it was Palestinians who innovatively used social media to give us tips for combatting the militarized police state. When Nelson Mandela spoke of collective struggles, he spoke of the Palestinian struggle, stating “we know too well that our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of the Palestinians.” Angela Davis states in her latest book “Freedom Is A Constant Struggle,” “Just as we say ‘never again” to the fascism that produced the Holocaust, we should also say ‘never again’ with respect to apartheid in South Africa, and in the Southern U.S. That means, first and foremost, that we will have to expand and deepen our solidarity with the people of Palestine.”

In Rabbi Dortch’s original article, he attempts to weaponize Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. as a device to attempt to silence Black perspectives on Palestine, stating: “Unfortunately, the Black Lives Matter Movement’s misguided steps have proven that their way is not the way of Dr. King,” however, we understand the lack of historical clarity in which Rabbi Dortch speaks. Conveniently ignoring Dr. King’s strong stance against militarism, both domestically and abroad, Dortch again assumes Black organizers lack knowledge of one of our own civil rights heroes by attempting to implore him as a respectability tactic.

Not only does this attempt to weaponize Dr. King expose the anti-Blackness inherent to Zionism, it exposes Dortch’s own lack of perception of Dr. King. In 1967 Dr. King stated, “When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, extreme materialism and militarism are incapable of being conquered.” Surely, one can see Israel’s racial profiling of Arabs as inherently racist, and their contempt for Palestinian lives based on the violently militarized occupation zones as extreme materialism and militarism intertwined.

Several people within the Jewish community have claimed to support Black lives, yet hold solidarity over our heads as a wavering privilege. That we as Black people cannot speak on or act against injustices in the world without being threatened by the removal of allyship; that whenever Black people rally against inherently racist systems we have one of greatest liberators, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., poorly weaponized against us, is anti-Blackness masquerading around as conditional solidarity.

Recently, the use of Zionism to tactically stifle liberation movements was implored when the New York Times published an article titled, “Does Feminism Have Room For Zionism?” The piece, written by journalist Emily Shire, boasts about being a “proud feminist” who should not have to ”sacrifice my Zionism for the sake of my feminism”– an interestingly oxymoronic statement which ignores the reality that Zionism is directly antithetical to feminism. If we are to have an international feminist movement, one that is inclusive of intersectional politics that fully reject white supremacy, how can one call for the inclusion of a political position which advocates for and enacts violence against Palestinian women?

Shire’s article comes just one day before International Women’s Day and the International Women’s Strike aimed at targeting the ways in which white supremacist capitalism exploit women was set to take place. The placement of this article in the New York Times, one of the largest platforms in the world, as well as a day before the International Women’s Strike is tactically decisive. As the article continues, Shire lays the groundwork for a feminist politic rooted in white feminism, one that is conditional in its solidarity and centered on securing her own privileges of liberation of all women.

She states: “This insistence can alienate feminists, like myself, who don’t support all of the causes others believe should be part of feminism. For example, some who identify as feminists may not agree with the organizers of the International Women’s Strike when they call for a $15 minimum wage. Nor do all feminists necessarily join the strike organizers in supporting the Dakota Access Pipeline protesters.”

This passage is important in order to recognize a weaponizing tactic Shire employs throughout the entire article: she equates feminism solely to an identity, rather than a political theory and mode of being rooted in the liberation of women. The title “feminist” is not a mere identity or title to be worn for societal appreciation, rather a framework of theoretical praxis concerned with achieving the “social, political and economic equality of the sexes,” according to feminist author  Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie.

Any self-proclaimed “feminists” who do not align in solidarity with women’s call for a $15 minimum wage increase and an end to the settler-colonial violence occurring at Standing Rock are strung on an intoxicatingly white strand of feminism, one that ignores the material realities of Black, Latino, and Indigenous women who make the lowest wages in this country and are actively having their land stolen.

Similar to the positioning of Dr. King that Dortch attempted to use against the Movement for Black Lives, Shire’s attempt to conflate Zionism to an identity similar to Blackness, or immigrant status, or any other oppressed-identity descriptor is not accidental. In ignoring the reality that her Zionist politic is by choice, perpetuating the notion that it is inherent to her being, she draws upon the sympathy of those who rest on identity politics as a cardinal framework for resistance. This, again, is tactical.

An interesting passage of Shire’s article is the criminalization of Rasmea Odeh, in which Shire falls into Islamophobic tropes, using buzzwords like “terrorist,” “concern,” and “criminal”—all within the same paragraph. Unsurprisingly, Shire uses the U.S. State Department as a metric of terrorist-validity, stating that Rasmea Odeh is a former member of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, which they list as a terrorist organization. However, using the U.S. as a metric of validity and morality falls flat when you consider that the people like Black Panther Party, Nelson Mandela, and feminist icon herself Angela Davis have all been placed on the State Department’s terrorist lists. One exposes their own limits in relation to the history of anti-racism movements to assume pleading with the same morality as the U.S. is a point worth making.

Regarding the question of if there is space within different liberation movements for Zionism, we must take into account what Zionism brings with it. We must take into account that if we are to build a Movement for Black Lives which is anti-imperialist, anti-settler colonialist, anti-racist, and pro-feminist, we have to eliminate the very concept of Zionism from our spaces. And if we are to really understand feminism as an interwoven political theory of anti-oppression, one that synthesizes the struggles of women from the Congo to Compton, from Iraq to Ramallah, then we can then understand Zionism as antithetical to feminism. Zionism, which encompasses the white supremacist, Islamophobic, and Queerphobic ethnic cleansing of Palestinian people, is diametrically opposed to any movement rooted in feminism or liberation for Black lives.

About Devyn Springer

Devyn Springer is an Atlanta writer, activist and artist who recently published his debut book "Grayish-Black" which is available on Amazon. You can follow him on Twitter at @HalfAtlanta.

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  1. JeffB
    March 12, 2017, 1:06 pm

    @Devyn

    I figure I’ll give you a response from one of those Democrats who broke with BLM over the genocide quotes. Now let me start off by saying I wasn’t in some sort of full solidarity with you beforehand. I thought the BLM movement was excessive and dishonest even before the anti-Zionist plank. That being said, I supported and continue to support one of the BLM’s key demands that prosecutions for police involved shooting not originated from county DA office but rather from another agency that lacks close ties to local police departments. I think black activists did prove the case there was a structural problem of police violence. What changed for me is where before I saw political support for BLM as merely pandering after the anti-Zionist plank it became a genuine negative that I would weigh negatively in primaries and possibly general elections with respect to donations.

    Now I’ll respond to a couple points.

    Not only is this statement rooted in notions of anti-Blackness which assume Black organizers lack historical substance and context on the subject of the Palestinian-Israeli … and recognize Zionism as antithetical to our own liberation

    Which I think demonstrates the ignorance you are attempting to refute. Zionism makes no claim on you either positively or negatively. No more than Hadi / Houthi dispute makes a claim on you. Zionism is completely, totally and utterly indifferent to whether white Christians do or do not enact various laws regarding black Christians in America. It neither oppresses you nor seeks to liberate you.

    The 2nd half of your response talks about how you choose the Palestinians as an ally. Of course as a political group you are free to choose you allies. There may be good reasons for American blacks to choose international allies, that strategy worked well with Johnson to get the civil rights act passed. But remember, when you choose allies you frequently end up choosing your ally’s enemies as your own. And while American Jews are not as supportive of the black struggle as they think they are, they have for many decades been a group of whites unusually supportive of black concerns, even if overly proud of the limited support. That doesn’t have to be the case, and won’t be the case when black interests and Jewish interests conflict. I suggest you ask you parents or grandparents about what Jewish opposition felt like in the early 1970s. “Black liberation” is not a Jewish vital interest its a hobby for Jews that happens to land mostly on your side. Israel conversely is a Jewish vital interest. Understand what tying the two issues together means in both directions. The firestorm regarding the BLM platform is a warning shot.

    Surely, one can see Israel’s racial profiling of Arabs as inherently racist, and their contempt for Palestinian lives based on the violently militarized occupation zones as extreme materialism and militarism intertwined.

    Well no at this one can’t see it. Extreme materialism and the occupation? Enhancing Palestinian civil rights so as to increase their economic participation would depress wages and expand the economy. A materialist would push for a much more benign policy. And that’s not unusual militarism is usually a semi-anti-materialist policy. You are simply writing superficial gibberish filled with leftish cliche.

    an interestingly oxymoronic statement which ignores the reality that Zionism is directly antithetical to feminism. If we are to have an international feminist movement, one that is inclusive of intersectional politics that fully reject white supremacy

    First off Devyn excellent analogy. Emily Shire is making much the same point. She wants a feminism that is totally indifferent to non-feminist concerns, and focus exclusively on issues of gender and sex. Dr. Shire isn’t unaware of intersectional politics she rejects them.

    We must take into account that if we are to build a Movement for Black Lives which is anti-imperialist, anti-settler colonialist, anti-racist, and pro-feminist, we have to eliminate the very concept of Zionism from our spaces.

    Probably true. Though in a pro-imperialist country, where many people are only a generation or two away from settlement, which venerates its colonial founders and has mixed feelings regarding feminism why would you want to be build that sort of movement? Look there probably is a majority for moderate structural reforms regarding Blacks which address many of the abuses. Why alienate the many voters like me who likely would support moderate change that would make a difference and would also aggressively oppose a black alliance with the global hard left? How does that advance your cause?

    Finally
    Just as we say ‘never again” to the fascism that produced the Holocaust

    Fascism didn’t produce the holocaust. Take Argentina. Argentina in the 1930s was extremely generous with regards to Jewish immigration. The Peronist government recognized Israel early. It was the anti-fascists (mainly Catholic nationalists) in Argentina who kicked out tens of thousands of Jews during the 1950s. Salazar in 1937 aggressively rejected the Nuremberg laws. There were Jewish officials in his government. He allowed Portugal to become a central hub of Jewish rescue moving over a hundred thousand Jews annually out of harms way all during the pre-war and war. Fascists were divided on Jewish repression and extermination with many opposed.

    What produced the holocaust was a deep seated hatred of Jews built out of wild conspiracy theories very similar to the idea that Zionism has anything to do with black lives in America.

    • Mooser
      March 12, 2017, 2:30 pm

      “Fascists were divided on Jewish repression and extermination with many opposed.”

      Gee, maybe Jews should give Fascism a chance. With our numbers, it’s a natural.

    • Mooser
      March 12, 2017, 3:24 pm

      “Now let me start off by saying I wasn’t in some sort of full solidarity with you beforehand.”

      “JeffyB” thinks we have more to gain by adhering to the Brownsville Conventions.

    • Annie Robbins
      March 13, 2017, 11:18 pm

      “Black liberation” is not a Jewish vital interest its a hobby for Jews that happens to land mostly on your side. Israel conversely is a Jewish vital interest. Understand what tying the two issues together means in both directions. The firestorm regarding the BLM platform is a warning shot.

      warning of what?

      I suggest you ask you parents or grandparents about what Jewish opposition felt like in the early 1970s.

      a little suggestion for the untermenschen reminding them not too get uppity. after all, Black liberation is merely a “hobby for Jews“.

    • Annie Robbins
      March 14, 2017, 1:05 am

      my bold:

      Shire, boasts about being a “proud feminist” who should not have to ”sacrifice my Zionism for the sake of my feminism”– an interestingly oxymoronic statement which ignores the reality that Zionism is directly antithetical to feminism. If we are to have an international feminist movement, one that is inclusive of intersectional politics that fully reject white supremacy, how can one call for the inclusion of a political position which advocates for and enacts violence against Palestinian women?

      jeff, you stated the author was “simply writing superficial gibberish filled with leftish cliche”, then you cherry picked that blockquote up there and responded:

      First off Devyn excellent analogy. Emily Shire is making much the same point. She wants a feminism that is totally indifferent to non-feminist concerns, and focus exclusively on issues of gender and sex. Dr. Shire isn’t unaware of intersectional politics she rejects them.

      what on earth are you talking about??? shire is most definitely not making the same point at all. nor is the author making an analogy, as far as i can see.

      • JeffB
        March 14, 2017, 4:13 pm

        @Annie

        Here is the Shire article Dylan was talking about: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/07/opinion/does-feminism-have-room-for-zionists.html?_r=0

        The analogy in Dylan’s article is:
        Just as Shire wants to break the connection between feminism and anti-Zionism Jews are asking blacks to break the connection between black liberation and anti-Zionism.

        As for your other question about warning about what, a warning that Jews can flip on racial issues in America and do when their interests are threatened. Ask Mooser he understood the reference fine. Brownsville (his example) was a working-middle class neighborhood in NYC that in the late 1960s was moving from Jewish to black. Jews had essentially turned it from really dangerous housing (no indoor plumbing, glue fumes…) into the working class neighborhood the blacks were inheriting. Jews were fine with leaving but still had hooks in the system. They had teachers but more importantly they still wanted the administrative jobs (including the ability to give contracts to connected business). Blacks wanted local control immediately rather than waiting a generation unlike the Jews had: the Jews had always known to make room at the trough for Tammany as they developed the neighborhood .

        The blacks sort of won but the white backlash sent that neighborhood into an economic tailspin. 50 years later it still hasn’t bounced back. It is literally the most crime ridden neighborhood in the New York, the place where stop and frisk was started. Highest infant mortality, loads of boarded up stores, high levels of lead poisoning…

        There is nothing special about Brownsville. If asked I would have picked a different example But it is one of the many examples that when the civil rights movement threatened the interests of other whites Jews were supportive. When the civil rights movement threatened Jewish interests, suddenly Jews allied with racist whites. I wanted to Dylan to get whatever story his grandparents or parents would tell him like that, and there are plenty. In short, don’t mistake a hobby for something more.

        Jewish left relations are complex and will stay complex until there is a break and Jews just become another group of Republican whites over the next 2 generations. The Irish understood they dynamics (heck they arguably taught us). Blacks have a different dynamic themselves so not so much.

      • Mooser
        March 14, 2017, 5:45 pm

        “As for your other question about warning about what, a warning that Jews can flip on racial issues in America and do when their interests are threatened.”

        Right you are, “JeffB”.
        When liberalism and support for civil rights in the Jewish community threatened the Jewish establishment, they made sure to let Jews know they have a”Negro Problem.”

      • Mooser
        March 14, 2017, 6:06 pm

        “When the civil rights movement threatened Jewish interests”

        “The civil rights movement threatened Jewish interests”?

        Sure, you bet.

        Every one of those civil rights laws indirectly threatened our ability to evade legal or financial protection in the US. Every time they passed one, we would say “Oh no, next it’ll be us Jews the US wants to integrate, or extend legal and constitutional protections to!”

        The civil rights movement threatens our ability to stay persecuted! Threatens the Jewish right to be prevented from voting. In short, it threatens the God-given right of Jews to be second or third-class citizens.
        First they do it to the African-Americans, the next thing you know they will do it to the Jews.
        Threatening!

  2. HHM
    March 13, 2017, 2:00 am

    It was announced at our MLK day event that the Jewish Community Relations Council was now a “partner” of our local chapter of the NAACP.

    It’s not difficult to understand why the JCRC wants to partner with the NAACP. The last thing they want in our community is for Blacks and local people of color to openly support Palestinian human rights. They have reason to be concerned. In 2015, over 1100 Black activists and many organizations signed the Black statement of solidarity with Palestine which included a paragraph explicitly endorsing the Palestinian refugee right of return:

    “Our support extends to those living under occupation and siege, Palestinian citizens of Israel, and the 7 million Palestinian refugees exiled in Jordan, Lebanon, Syria and Palestine. The refugees’ right to return to their homeland in present-day Israel is the most important aspect of justice for Palestinians.” http://www.blackforpalestine.com/read-the-statement.html.

    Our local rabbi issued a condescending response to the M4BL platform. Her statement directs our Jewish community to become involved and “fix” it, to ingratiate themselves into the Black Lives Matter movement to help them “learn” and “correct” their “mistakes.” Those are the exact words used and I guess they decided to do just that.

    http://api.ning.com/files/H9E9iJBHqZPl1ceEnoV*X53Wpk9zI*1OpmAsOZTpMR*SxxRPjVLiAIeD5bpDntMMtrhxY0-T*9jH-0dC4cOeoFNvVCuA0YY8/MatotMaseiBlackLivesMatterPlatform.pdf

    • sharonsj
      March 13, 2017, 3:43 pm

      Funny how their support doesn’t extend to the million Jewish citizens of other Middle-Eastern countries who were exiled and had their property stolen. Any mention of right of return for them? I thought not.

      Palestinian citizens of Israel get to vote, be members of the government, the military and the judiciary, etc. When there were Jewish citizens of Arab countries. there were (and still are) actual apartheid laws that kept them out of those positions. Any mention of their rights? I thought not.

      Both Hamas and the PLO have the eradication of Israel and the Jews in their written charters. Any mention of that by BLM? Does BLM even know about that and, if they do know, do they care?

      • Mooser
        March 13, 2017, 4:49 pm

        “When there were Jewish citizens of Arab countries. there were (and still are) actual apartheid laws that kept them out of those positions”

        I’m confused, “sharonsj”

        Don’t you think those laws were developed in accord with our Jewish desire and need to “remain aloof” and preserve purity? Why are you complaining about them? Weren’t they what we wanted? You know what happens; when the mixing starts, the pieces of assimilation fall into place.

        After all “sharonsj” , look what happened to the Jews in America, when equality was offered us! A “silent Holocaust” began!

      • amigo
        March 13, 2017, 5:07 pm

        Alert , New Hasbara recruit just out of school

        “Funny how their support doesn’t extend to the million Jewish citizens of other Middle-Eastern countries who were exiled and had their property stolen. Any mention of right of return for them? I thought not -“sharonsj

        But , but they availed of their “Jewish ” (only) ROR in Palestine where they promptly moved into stolen property belonging to the 700,000 +people who were “exiled”.

        “Both Hamas and the PLO have the eradication of Israel and the Jews in their written charters “sharonsj

        Link please–btw–MEMRI/CAMERA not considered credible.

        Btw , sharonsj –have you seen the likud Charter ???.

        Although Netanyahu plays the part, the details of his party platform need to be taken into account as a “peace partner” to show the reality behind the circus. Likud Party Charter states:

        a. “The Jordan river will be the permanent eastern border of the State of Israel.”

        b. “Jerusalem is the eternal, united capital of the State of Israel and only of Israel. The government will flatly reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem”

        c. “The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river.”

        d. “The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting
        – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2011/11/netanyahu%E2%80%99s-party-platform-flatly-rejects-establishment-of-palestinian-state/#sthash.DVxdRarO.dpuf

      • eljay
        March 13, 2017, 5:24 pm

        || sharonsj: Funny how … ||

        …you can always and without fail count on Zionists to:
        – praise Israel as being among the best states in the world (a “moral beacon”, a “light unto the nations” and a “Western-style democracy”); but
        – defend Israel by engaging in whataboutism and pointing out that the “Jewish State” isn’t as bad as the worst states in the world (Saudi Arabia, Mali and African “hell-holes”).

      • amigo
        March 13, 2017, 5:59 pm

        For you Sharonsj.

        I bet they didn,t teach you these inconvenient facts in Hasbara school.

        “Israel Police Fail to Charge Offenders in 95% of Reported anti-Palestinian Attacks

        Police data for 2015 shows that only 4 out of 89 cases yielded indictments. New unit focused on Jewish political crimes did not make improvement. ” Haaretz

        “Information released by police in response to a request by the left-wing non-profit group Yesh Din shows that there are difficulties in indicting Jews for violations committed against Palestinians, in comparison to the indictment of Jews who have committed ideologically motivated crimes against the police or the public.

        The information released by police shows that in 2015, 280 files were opened in connection with politically or ideologically motivated crimes committed by Israelis in the occupied territories. Eighty-nine of these dealt with violence against Palestinians or their property. Only four of these cases led to indictments, amounting to 4.5 percent of the files opened.

        The other 191 files dealt with violations against security forces, public disturbances, criminal trespassing, obstructing a public official and similar offenses. In these cases there were 55 indictments, amounting to almost 29 percent of files that were opened.

        The group claims that these differences are largely a result of political ideology.”

        read more: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.776826

      • talknic
        March 13, 2017, 7:26 pm

        @ sharonsj March 13, 2017, 3:43 pm

        “Funny how their support doesn’t extend to the million Jewish citizens of other Middle-Eastern countries who were exiled and had their property stolen. “

        Having taken citizenship in countries other than that of return, they’re no longer refugees. Go weep to the Zionist Federation and its state who encouraged Jews to forgo their Arab State citizenship.

        BTW it’s NORMAL for countries at war to expel or intern possible allies of their enemies and to freeze their assets. The US/UK/Australia incarcerated or expelled their own citizens of Japanese, German and Italian descent during WW2. It’s also normal to allow their return after hostilities have ceased and unfreeze their assets. People who’ve taken up alternative citizenship no longer have refugee status.

        You’d best question why Israel does nothing towards helping claim Arab Jews assets. It would be in effect an acknowledgement of Palestinian rights to claim their ceased assets. Israel simply can nor afford the compensation due. Instead they screw Arab Jews too. No one is spared an evil if it suits the Zionist cause

        “Any mention of right of return for them? I thought not.”

        You haven’t ‘thought’ at all. If they have RoR even though they have taken up alternative citizenship, so too would Palestinians who have not taken up alternative citizenship

        “Palestinian citizens of Israel get to vote, be members of the government, the military and the judiciary, etc.”

        So what? They’re citizens.

        ” When there were Jewish citizens of Arab countries. there were (and still are) actual apartheid laws that kept them out of those positions. Any mention of their rights? I thought not.”

        A) BLM = Black Lives Matter B) If they’ve taken citizenship elsewhere, they have no rights in countries where they’re no longer citizens.

        “Both Hamas and the PLO have the eradication of Israel and the Jews in their written charters”

        Article Thirty-One: “As to those who have not borne arms against you on account of religion, nor turned you out of your dwellings, Allah forbiddeth you not to deal kindly with them, and to behave justly towards them; for Allah loveth those who act justly.” (The Tried – verse 8).

        The PLO recognized Israel in 1988. Israel has never recognized Palestine

        “Any mention of that by BLM? Does BLM even know about that and, if they do know, do they care?”

        Why would it? BLM = Black Lives Matter

      • Jon66
        March 13, 2017, 9:48 pm

        Talknic,

        “The US/UK/Australia incarcerated or expelled their own citizens of Japanese, German and Italian descent during WW2. – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2017/03/no-space-for-zionism/#comment-175901

        I think most Americans feel that the Korematsu decision upholding the internment of US citizens of Japanese ancestry was wrong and scandalous. I hope that we never treat American citizens in that manner again. It’s a stain on our nation.
        https://www.law.cornell.edu/supreme-court/text/323/214

      • lyn117
        March 13, 2017, 10:44 pm

        Right, Palestinian citizens of Israel get to vote. Except, most Palestinians who originally came from what’s now Israel don’t get to be citizens.

        The zionists spent considerable effort propagandizing Jews of the other Middle-Eastern countries to emigrate to Israel. So, a lot of them left and joined the JSIL, to become enemies of their country of origin, though to be fair the zionist propaganda made people suspicious of Jews anyway. I don’t notice that they’re clamoring to return, but if they did, I’m sure it could be arranged.

      • Annie Robbins
        March 14, 2017, 1:14 am

        The zionists spent considerable effort propagandizing Jews of the other Middle-Eastern countries to emigrate to Israel.

        they did a lot more than that. they tried to bargain with iraq to get them to ‘trade’ iraq’s jews and replace them with palestinians. when iraq said no they tried other means including blowing up the american library in baghdad, exactly the same method they tried in egypt later and got busted. google the lavon affair.

        israel was desperate to get arab jews to come to israel to occupy palestinian homes and provide a labor force. after much shinanigans to make that happen (some of it worked, some didn’t) they now frame themselves as the victims of the plan they wanted all along. sheesh.

      • talknic
        March 13, 2017, 10:56 pm

        Jon66 March 13, 2017, 9:48 pm

        “I think most Americans feel that the Korematsu decision upholding the internment of US citizens of Japanese ancestry was wrong and scandalous. I hope that we never treat American citizens in that manner again. It’s a stain on our nation.
        https://www.law.cornell.edu/supreme-court/text/323/214

        A) Link is a dud
        B) The internment law is still in force it seems https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/opinion/why-korematsu-is-not-a-precedent.html?_r=0

      • talknic
        March 13, 2017, 11:59 pm

        @ Jon66 March 13, 2017, 9:48 pm

        “I think most Americans feel that the Korematsu decision upholding the internment of US citizens of Japanese ancestry was wrong and scandalous. I hope that we never treat American citizens in that manner again. It’s a stain on our nation”

        Thanks for that John. Strange how the complete dispossession of hundreds of thousands of its non-Jewish citizens, with no right to return or reinstatement at all isn’t a stain on Israel … I guess Israel is unsustainable no matter how much sh*te it wallows in

      • jon s
        March 14, 2017, 5:43 am

        Annie,
        The Jews in the arab countries were being persecuted, were being murdered. In many cases they were essentially kicked out.

      • Jon66
        March 14, 2017, 10:15 am

        Talknic,
        You have me confused. Do you think Korematsu/ internment was a legitimate thing? If Nepal declared war on the US, would it be ‘right’ to intern or expel American citizens of Nepalese ancestry?

      • Mooser
        March 14, 2017, 12:16 pm

        Israel cannot bear the cost of any of the atrocities they threaten. Israel cannot even bear the cost of a change in policy.

      • talknic
        March 14, 2017, 8:22 pm

        @ jon s March 14, 2017, 5:43 am

        “The Jews in the arab countries were being persecuted, were being murdered. In many cases they were essentially kicked out.”
        Upper case for “Jews” lowercase for “arabs”. We see this time and time again. Some folk just can’t help showing people their worth. http://wp.me/pDB7k-dN

        The Japanese, German, Italian citizens of the US, UK, Australia during WW2 were being persecuted, interned or deported, their properties frozen. Quite common when countries are at war. Murders too https://www.google.com.au/search?q=japanese%20internment%20camps%20murder

        Also common to allow their return/freedom after hostilities are over if they have not already taken alternative citizenship in a country other than that of return, whereby they lose refugee status

        Go whine to the Zionist Federation et al for starting the wars in the Middle East with their Jewish Colonization project http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/8632-jewish-colonial-trust-the-judische-colonialbank
        and for encouraging Jews to adopt citizenship in the Jewish State, thereby forgoing refugee status

        BTW it wasn’t the Israeli government who initially catered for Arab Jewish refugees, it was the hated and ridiculed UNRWA who set up refugee camps in Israel for Arab/European Jewish refugees until the Israeli Government took over responsibility in 1952/3

        ——

        @ Jon66 March 14, 2017, 10:15 am

        “You have me confused.”

        Very funny. You’re not here to discuss or learn. You’re here attempting to justify the unjustifiable Zionist Colonization project

        “Do you think Korematsu/ internment was a legitimate thing?”

        It’s not about what I think. The new HasBarristerSister was moaning about something common to countries at war. She thinks possible allies of the Jewish State should have been exempt for some reason. Can you give me one?

        Internment or expulsion and the freezing of assets is the norm amongst countries at war. Go bitch to the Zionist Federation for choosing to colonize Palestine demanding a Jewish State instead of accepting the more than generous offer contained in the LoN Mandate Article 7

        ” If Nepal declared war on the US, would it be ‘right’ to intern or expel American citizens of Nepalese ancestry”

        It’s what countries do when at war.

      • Jon66
        March 14, 2017, 10:10 pm

        Talknic,
        “It’s what countries do when at war.”

        It’s not what we did to our German or Italian ancestry citizens. It was a racist response and wrong.

      • Citizen
        March 15, 2017, 7:02 am

        @ Annie:

        I’ve read that those Israeli Jews and their families of Arab Jews have always viewed themselves not as refugees from Arab lands, but as fully inspired Zionists who volunteered to move to Israel on a par with Zionist Jews who came voluntarily from Europe & other Western countries.

  3. eljay
    March 13, 2017, 8:14 am

    I’m baffled by Mr. Springer’s surprise at the fact that a religion-supremacist and colonialist ideology (Zionism) that is openly opposed to the universal and consistent application of justice, accountability and equality is ultimately incompatible with movements that advocate and support the universal and consistent application of justice, accountability and equality.

    • devynspringer
      March 14, 2017, 11:11 am

      It should be noted, I wrote this not expecting any tone of surprise to be received by readers. I even reference Shire’s article as “unsurprisingly” limited in its scope, especially for its use of the US legal system as a metric of morality – a tactic common among Zionist apologeticism.

      • eljay
        March 16, 2017, 8:20 am

        || devynspringer: It should be noted, I wrote this not expecting any tone of surprise to be received by readers. … ||

        I’ve re-read the article and I’m not sure how I concluded in the first place that you were expressing surprise. My apologies for the confusion.

  4. hophmi
    March 13, 2017, 9:32 am

    I think Rasmea Odeh is considered a terrorists because she helped to kill two innocent people and was convicted of it, Devyn.

    And for the record, you don’t seem to know very much about Dr. King, and whether you do or not, you don’t have a monopoly on that knowledge.

    • jon s
      March 13, 2017, 11:17 am

      Rasmea Odeh was subsequently convicted in the US of immigration fraud.
      She appealed the conviction successfully, is now out on bail awaiting a new trial.

    • amigo
      March 13, 2017, 1:25 pm

      “I think Rasmea Odeh is considered a terrorists because she helped to kill two innocent people and was convicted of it, Devyn. ” Hophead

      Found guilty in Israel = innocent.

  5. uh...clem
    March 13, 2017, 11:47 am

    JeffB seems to be taking those PEP pills. (thanks Firesign Theater for that cheerleader drill on “Don’t Crush that Dwarf, Hand Me the Pliers”)—PEP meaning Progressive except for Palestine. He is obviously very upset by Devyn’s article as evidenced by rapidity with which it was posted (the very first one) and the length of his commentary—the longest I have ever seen on Mondoweiss. These are (verbal) non-verbal signs which give away his anxiety about the issues which Devyn raises.

    • Mooser
      March 13, 2017, 3:58 pm

      “Uh..clem” the only thing which can stop “JeffB” is the […].

  6. Sulphurdunn
    March 13, 2017, 5:55 pm

    The article reads like one of those ponderous propaganda screeds from the former Soviet Union. The message is buried by the poor writing.

  7. Annie Robbins
    March 13, 2017, 10:53 pm

    wow, the hasbrats are all over this article. must have hit a nerve. great article Devyn Springer!

    and i am reminded of my tweet the other day to emily shire:

  8. Sibiriak
    March 14, 2017, 12:07 pm

    Space for coalitions of anti-Zionists and liberal Zionists?

    Philip Weiss:

    Liberal Zionists have had it both ways for too long: supporting a “Jewish state” that they also claim is a “democracy.” Trump has marked the end of that farce. Now they must give up a cherished dream; the liberal Zionists who want to shape the future will have to build coalitions with Palestinians and anti-Zionists.

    From the Palestinian and anti-Zionist standpoint, what we are seeing is what activist and writer Sarah Schulman told us would happen five years ago: As you go from a vanguard movement to a broad-based movement, you must give up some of your litmus tests, egotism, and ideological purity, in the name of change.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2017/02/putting-liberal-zionism/

    Cf. Ahmed Moor, “Is there room for liberal Zionists in an anti-Zionist movement?”

    http://mondoweiss.net/2015/04/zionists-zionist-movement/

  9. Ossinev
    March 15, 2017, 1:20 pm

    @amigo
    “Alert , New Hasbara recruit just out of school”

    Sharon appears to have popped her head up above the parapet, indisciminately fired a crap whataboutery round and then disappeared in panic once the first of the intellectual rounds was fired back.

    Sharon , Sharon are you still out there please please come back and tell us more. Hasbarist Lives Matter too.

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