‘Irreplaceable bedrock’ of U.S. backing for Israel is threatened by — intermarriage

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The best thing about this big piece at Newsweek titled, “How long could Israel survive without America?” is that it notions the end of U.S. aid to Israel– “the largest beneficiary of American aid in the post-Second World War era.” How many Americans even knew that?

Author Charles Freilich, a former Israeli deputy national security adviser, says Israel ought to start planning to phase out that aid.  That’s because Americans won’t stand for it in the end. Israel is already isolated in the world except for the United States, the U.S. is Israel’s “panacea” for any crisis, and American Jews provide the “irreplaceable bedrock” of the support; but the oh-so special relationship is threatened now by Hispanics and young Americans, including young assimilating Jews, who will be gaining more power in years to come.

“The very fact that the subject of this article needs to be raised at all, however, should give great pause to Israel’s leaders,” writes Freilich, now a senior fellow at Harvard University’s Belfer Center.

Some of Freilich’s realistic points. Israel is a virtual rogue state, were it not for the “panacea” of U.S. support:

As Israel’s international isolation has grown, its dependence on US diplomatic cover has become almost complete…

For the most part, as a small actor facing numerous and often severe threats, but with limited influence of its own, reliance on the US has become the panacea for virtually all of Israel’s national-security challenges.

Freilich says Israel has lost autonomy because of its dependence on the U.S. But what about the damage to the U.S. from this autonomous behavior:

The only areas in which Israeli governments have truly taken independent positions in recent decades relate to the future of the West Bank, primarily the issues of Jerusalem and the settlements; in the past the Golan Heights; and, under Benjamin Netanyahu, Iran.

Excuse me but that’s why Israel’s becoming a rogue state; because of human rights concerns, and an apartheid policy in the West Bank and East Jerusalem.

The piece doesn’t mention the Israel lobby. Though Freilich is frank about why the U.S. supports Israel: “the irreplaceable bedrock of support for Israel in the US” is American Jews. And that is threatened by the rise of other demographic cohorts that don’t cotton to Israel, among them intermarried Jews:

[T]he loss of support on the left, and the identification of Israel as a partisan issue, should be of deep concern.

A decline in support for Israel has also taken place among young Americans, who are significantly less likely to sympathise with Israel today than the American public as a whole, primarily due to the Palestinian issue. The medium- to long-term consequences may be significant, as these young people, already important as voters, gain positions of influence.

A similarly problematic process is under way among young Jewish Americans, whose sense of Jewish identity generally, and identification with Israel, is far weaker than that of their elders.

Low birth rates, intermarriage and assimilation undermine the strength and support of the Jewish community, the irreplaceable bedrock of support for Israel in the US. The Hispanic population, already the largest minority group in the US today, and the religiously unaffiliated, the two groups among whom support for Israel is the lowest, are both growing rapidly.

Freilich is not the only person talking about intermarriage these days. The Israeli writer Daniel Gordis sees it as the chief culprit in the growing “chasm” between U.S. Jews and Israel; young Jews are checking out of communal life.

[T]he skyrocketing rate of intermarriage in America… renders increasingly vexed any notion of Judaism as the faith of a single and singular people.

Journalist Emma Green also uses the chasm-word in a piece at the Atlantic about growing pressure inside the American Conservative rabbinate to perform mixed weddings.

The chasm between liberal American Judaism and Orthodox Judaism in the U.S. and Israel is growing; wider affirmation of intermarriage would expand that chasm even further.

And Israel advocate Yaacov Lozowick leap in to slam intermarriage as a rejection of Israel:

 many US Jews are rejecting Judaism as defined by most Israelis

In Newsweek, Freilich correctly dates the romance between the U.S. and Israel to the ’70s and 80s. That was the aftermath of Israel’s “existential” wars; but these were also the years of the rise of the Israel lobby, and of greater and greater inclusion of Jews in public life/

From the vantage point of contemporary readers, it may be surprising to learn that the US–Israeli relationship was actually quite limited and even cool until the late 1960s. It then evolved into a more classic patron-client relationship in the 1970s, and only in the 1980s started to become the institutionalised, strategic relationship that we know today.

The article is shot through with Zionist assertions. Israel is definitely the nation state of the Jewish people, but Palestinian refugees have a “so-called” right of return.

Here is the tab on U.S. aid to Israel:

Total American assistance to Israel, from its establishment in 1949 up to 2016, amounts to approximately $125 billion, a whopping sum, making Israel the largest beneficiary of American aid in the post-Second World War era. By the end of the ten-year military-aid package recently agreed for 2019–28, the total figure will be nearly $170bn.

US aid in recent years has accounted for some 3 percent of Israel’s total national budget, and 1 percent of its GDP.

Termination would thus have a devastating impact on Israel’s defence posture, unless a major reordering of national priorities took place, with profound economic and societal ramifications.

But we’re spending a lot more capital for Israel in diplomatic relations:

On the diplomatic level, too, the US is truly the indispensable nation for Israel, with no alternative for the foreseeable future. The US has used its diplomatic clout in a variety of international forums to protect Israel from an endless array of injurious resolutions regarding the peace process, various Israeli military and diplomatic initiatives and, of particular note, its purported nuclear capabilities.

No other permanent member of the Security Council would repeatedly use its veto, as the United States has done, to shield Israel from such resolutions, including possible sanctions, even over policies with which it has sometimes disagreed.

Between 1954 and 2011, the US vetoed a total of some 40 one-sided or clearly anti-Israeli resolutions.

The fact that Newsweek runs such a long piece about the costs of the Israel relationship is a positive. The fact that so many voices are blaming intermarriage for impending troubles between the two countries is a sign of how illiberal a place Israel is.

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  1. Citizen
    July 18, 2017, 8:09 am

    Have no fear, listen to VP Pence talking to America’s Christian Zionists yesterday: Watch: VP Pence delivers remarks at Christian Zionist dinner http://wjla.com/news/nation-world/live-vice-president-pence-delivers-remarks-at
    Hurray, USA will spend tons more $ & their kids will die for Israel!
    BTW, US foreign aid to Israel is much higher than merely the direct aid Phil’s article says; there’s an equal amount of indirect aid, without even mentioning interest paid on the amount Phil says, e.g., via USA’s first FTA–with Israel, which is very lop-sided, not to mention induced by Jewish American sabotage, and also by USA’s loan guarantees, which allow cheap credit for Israel, etc

  2. Citizen
    July 18, 2017, 8:19 am

    As of August, 2016, US had vetoed 42 UN resolutions against Israel. During the whole long time period, I read: France vetoed 0 of all resolutions, China, 7–not sure if that’s true…

  3. hophmi
    July 18, 2017, 9:51 am

    “The fact that so many voices are blaming intermarriage for impending troubles between the two countries is a sign of how illiberal a place Israel is.”

    Lol. Pro-Arab intellectuals don’t get to comment on how “illiberal” Israel is.

    • Misterioso
      July 18, 2017, 4:00 pm

      http://jewishcurrents.org/israels-one-religion-state-creating-riffs-with-american-jews/

      “Israel’s One-Religion State Creating Rifts with American Jews”

      By Alan C. Brownfeld

      Jewish Currents, July 16/17

      EXCERPT:

      “ISRAEL CALLS ITSELF a ‘Jewish’ state. Yet for non-Orthodox Jews, who represent the vast majority of the American Jewish community, there is less religious freedom in Israel than anyplace in the Western world.

      “While American Jews believe in separation of church and state, Israel is a theocracy. Orthodox Judaism is the state religion and is supported by the Israeli government. Reform, Conservative and Reconstructionist rabbis cannot perform weddings and funerals in Israel, and their conversions are not recognized. There is no such thing in Israel as civil marriage. Jews and non-Jews who wish to marry must leave the country to do so.

      “Even many Orthodox rabbis in the U.S. are considered less-than. Israel’s Chief Rabbinate has compiled a list of overseas rabbis whose authority the body refuses to recognize when it comes to certifying as Jewish someone who wants to marry in Israel. The list includes prominent Orthodox rabbis, including a colleague of the rabbi who converted Ivanka Trump, a Canadian rabbi friendly with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, and a rabbi in New York who has advocated for greater rights for women. The list names 160 rabbis in 24 countries.”

    • Mooser
      July 18, 2017, 7:15 pm

      “Lol. Pro-Arab intellectuals don’t get to comment on how “illiberal” Israel is.”

      Not on your blog, they don’t!

      • Talkback
        July 21, 2017, 5:08 am

        hophmi eptiomizes the Israeli permit system.

    • Talkback
      July 21, 2017, 5:04 am

      hophmi: “Lol. Pro-Arab intellectuals don’t get to comment on how “illiberal” Israel is.”

      What about intellectuals that follow universal values? Are they allowed to comment if they get an Israeli permit?

  4. echinococcus
    July 18, 2017, 10:04 am

    I’m a little confused by the way you reduce the thrust of this article to “intermarriage”, in your title and your conclusion. That is only mentioned as one factor among several that act on one minority subset, within a longish list of forces pushing to divestment from Zionism. The author lists them correctly, even though I’d use a different naming for some:

    – loss of support on the left

    – identification as a partisan issue (term probably due to the usual “left/right” confusion)

    – age gap, in connection with the “Palestinian issue” (credit him for even mentioning the root cause, even as a strange preoccupation limited to the young people)

    – age gap within self-identifying “Jewish Americans” –in connection with low birth rates, intermarriage and assimilation

    – the “Hispanic population”, I suppose as most numerous representative of the big demographic shift, away from the traditionally colonialism-and-Zionism-sympathizing English-speaking Protestants

    – the “religiously unaffiliated”, which here is hugely significant as an acknowledgement of the non-tribals

    Looks to me as lucid thinking, identifying what counts.

    Among all that, “intermarriage” is mentioned merely as one of the several factors acting on the younger members of one small set of minority people who identify themselves as “Jewish”. Looks plausible. Hardly enough for including this article together with the “so many voices… blaming intermarriage for impending troubles between the two countries”, as you do at the end of the article.

    Anyway, thanks for bringing a very rare thinking Zionist, for a change. He can read the writing on the wall, and there is diddlysquat he can do about it –short of a military takeover of the US.

    • RoHa
      July 18, 2017, 10:35 pm

      “short of a military takeover of the US”

      Penciled-in for next Tuesday.

      • Sibiriak
        July 20, 2017, 1:14 am

        “Lawmakers Seek to Prohibit Criticism of Israel”
        July 19, 2017

        Glenn Greenwald and Ryan Grim write in The Intercept today in “U.S. Lawmakers Seek to Criminally Outlaw Support for Boycott Campaign Against Israel” that: “The criminalization of political speech and activism against Israel has become one of the gravest threats to free speech in the west.

        In France, activists have been arrested and prosecuted for wearing t-shirts advocating a boycott of Israel. The U.K. has enacted a series of measures designed to outlaw such activism.

        In the U.S., governors compete with one another over who can implement the most extreme regulations to bar businesses from participating in any boycotts aimed even at Israeli settlements, which the world regards as illegal.

        On U.S. campuses, punishment of pro-Palestinian students for expressing criticisms of Israel is so commonplace that the Center for Constitutional Rights refers to it as ‘the Palestine Exception’ to free speech.

        “But now, a group of 45 Senators — 30 Republicans and 15 Democrats — want to implement a law that would make it a felony for Americans to support the international boycott against Israel, which was launched in protest of that country’s decades-old occupation of Palestine. …

        “Perhaps most stunning is our interview with the primary sponsor of the bill, Democratic Senator Benjamin Cardin, who seemed to have no idea what was in his bill, particularly insisting that it contains no criminal penalties. But as the ACLU put it, ‘violations would be subject to a minimum civil penalty of $250,000 and a maximum criminal penalty of $ 1 million and 20 years in prison.’

        http://www.accuracy.org/release/lawmakers-seek-to-prohibit-criticism-of-israel/

    • jon s
      July 20, 2017, 9:55 am

      You’ll just have to get used to those nasty IDF checkpoints on the Beltway…

      • Mooser
        July 20, 2017, 7:38 pm

        “You’ll just have to get used to those nasty IDF checkpoints on the Beltway…”

        Isn’t it nice how “nasty IDF checkpoints” is a meme almost universally understood?

  5. Misterioso
    July 18, 2017, 10:23 am

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/07/intermarriage-conservative-judaism/533637/

    ‘We’re Headed Toward One of the Greatest Divisions in the History of the Jewish People’

    “A small, vocal group of Conservative rabbis is pushing the movement to accept marriages between Jews and non-Jews. The fight is really about the future of the religion.”

  6. john douglas
    July 18, 2017, 11:04 am

    We hear more and more worry these days about the danger to Israel of the loss of U.S. support as a younger generation of American Jews reject identification with Israel. This worry is accompanied by (1) Lists of the dollars the U.S. has given Israel and (2) the frequent diplomatic isolation of the U.S. as it defends Israel against sanctions for human rights abuses.
    In other words, these authors claim that because of the past influence of Israel-devoted American Jews the U.S. has lost billions of dollars and status in the world.
    I thought that charges of dual loyalty lodged against American Jews were signs of anti-Semitic bias. But here they are as commonplace admissions.

  7. genesto
    July 18, 2017, 12:17 pm

    This is all so personal to me. I, an Arab/French American, am married to a 100% Jewish woman who, since we first connected in 1999, has come completely around on the issue of Israel/Palestine. She is now passionately anti-Zionist. Meanwhile, although my stepchildren (one man and one woman) are Zionist, the older grandchilren (two boys of the stepson, 25 and 21 years old) are sympathetic to the cause of Palestinian justice due, in part, to my influence (particularly my participation in the 2010 Gaza Freedom Flotilla, a major family divider BTW) but also to the changing mood of young Jews towards Israel, to which the article speaks. They are also the children of a mixed marriage, since their mother is a non-practicing Catholic, which has made the transition easier.

    As for the two younger grandchildren (by my super-Zionist stepdaughter, married to a Zionist Jew), just give me some time with them in the years to come (they are only 12 and 10 right now) and I’ll have them on board as well! :-{)

    Yes, I believe intermarriage will sound the deathknell for Zionism – and good riddance!!

    • Misterioso
      July 18, 2017, 3:44 pm

      Well and truly stated!!

      Zionism is rotting within and its spawn, Israel, is increasingly viewed by peoples around the world, including Jews, especially youth, as racist, an illegal, brutal occupier and a serial violator of international humanitarian law, (e.g., the UN Charter, The Universal Declaration of Human Rights, The Fourth Geneva Convention and the Rome Statute), which came about in large measure because of the crimes committed against Jews by the Nazis.

      • JosephA
        July 18, 2017, 10:06 pm

        Judaism ≠ Zionism
        Zionism = Racism/Apartheid
        Criticism of modern Israel ≠ Anti-Semitism
        Anti Semitism ≠ Anti-Zionism

        …and I might add that Zionism is ironically/tragically the leading cause of Anti-Semitism in the one region of the world where Jews thrived for thousands of years: the Middle East.

  8. yonah fredman
    July 18, 2017, 2:24 pm

    I will not parse Freilich’s words, but I think Phil Weiss is confusing cause and effect.
    The “cause” of what Freilich is referring to is Jewish continuity. There are two proven (and insufficient) modes of Jewish continuity and they are Torah (Orthodoxy) and Zionism. (There is also innovation which seeks to redo, in order to make it something worthwhile, but let us leave the hopeful future for another time.)
    Supporters of Israel in the Jewish community are those who are wholeheartedly devoted to continuity and somewhat also devoted to Torah. Young Jews are proud to be Jewish and the word that they associate with Jewish is “tradition” and much of that tradition is forward looking but the tradition part of tradition, as in its essence, is backwards looking and by definition that is not progressive, but nostalgic.
    There are many personality types on this planet and they include the religious personality, and there are no deists in the foxholes and so in times of trouble people seek comfort from comfort texts and traditions, so Judaism will continue, just on the force of the religious impulse of some hard core believing group.
    But in our modern society of individualism, the primary motivating force towards Judaism is some kind of a context beyond the present tense (call it history, call it tradition.)
    Intermarriage is not the key here, but the revelation of the problem. People stopped being religious and treat it as something minor, and Judaism is designed with an all encompassing life style in mind. Those who lack the religious impulse and opt out of Judaism, quite often extrapolate from their own experience and state, if it’s good enough for me, then it’s good enough for everybody, and they abandon Judaism and toss it on the ash heap of history. Others are not so cold, not so alienated, but instead of the personality willing to concede something to the past, to nostalgia, to history, to the group, to all that came before and see some value in the Jewish experience and as such they seek ways to bolster it, if only in their imagination, “wouldn’t it be nice if there could be some continuity from the past,” even as they themselves speed towards the individualized atomic urban/suburban future.

    Those who are concerned about the Jewish future in America are also concerned regarding the Jewish future on the globe.

    • Mooser
      July 18, 2017, 7:57 pm

      “so Judaism will continue, just on the force of the religious impulse of some hard core believing group.”

      Have a happy Masadadammerung, “Yonah”!

    • RoHa
      July 18, 2017, 10:28 pm

      “there are no deists in the foxholes ”

      This is, of course, not true.

      • echinococcus
        July 19, 2017, 8:45 am

        RoHa,

        The guy is religious; he don’t need no stinking facts for truth.

      • Mooser
        July 19, 2017, 1:01 pm

        “there are no deists in the foxholes ”

        That will be news to the Founding Fathers.

      • Elizabeth Block
        July 21, 2017, 7:33 pm

        The saying (true or not) is “there are no atheists in foxholes.”

      • Mooser
        July 22, 2017, 12:35 pm

        “The saying (true or not) is “there are no atheists in foxholes.”

        Gosh, those early colonists were enthusiastic proselytizers. I bet they even translated the Bible into fox.

    • Citizen
      July 19, 2017, 2:59 pm

      Reminds me of Nazi writer stuff about Aryan continuity

  9. Keith
    July 18, 2017, 5:15 pm

    PHIL- “Author Charles Freilich, a former Israeli deputy national security adviser…/… now a senior fellow at Harvard University’s Belfer Center.”

    The significant presence and influence of Jewish Zionists within the global intelligentsia is more significant than Jewish “intermarriage.” Additionally, Jewish billionaires appear to be overwhelming supportive of Israel. Can you name even one anti-Zionist Jewish billionaire? The global political economy is money driven. What the 99% want, even the Jewish 99%, counts for little. Pinning your hopes on “intermarriage” is wishful thinking. Incidentally, I put intermarriage in quotes because most non-religious Gentiles don’t think of marriage to a secular Jew as intermarriage. Two atheists, what’s the problem? Also, Jewish fat-cats support Israel and Zionism because kinship has benefits.

    • JosephA
      July 18, 2017, 10:08 pm

      And then there are the right wing Christian Zionist Billionaires: the Zionaires.

    • Citizen
      July 19, 2017, 3:02 pm

      Can you name even one anti-Zionist Jewish billionaire? NO–why is this?

      • Sibiriak
        July 20, 2017, 1:07 am

        Citizen, who are the major non-Jewish anti-Zionist billionaires?

  10. Nathan
    July 18, 2017, 9:19 pm

    “Israel is a virtual rogue state, were it not for the ‘panacea’ of U.S. support”. In better English, it should have been said that “Israel would have been a … if it were not for…..” Anyway, in very simple terms, we have been told that Israel is not a virtual rogue state because she enjoys US support. I don’t really know what a “virtual rogue state” is (nor do I know what a non-virtual rogue state might be), so it was calming to know that the issue is irrelevant.

    • Antidote
      July 20, 2017, 12:09 am

      Israel is a rogue state supported by another rogue state that happens to be the world’s only remaining super powe, and founding member of the UN.. There, I fixed it for you

  11. MalcolmLeftly
    July 19, 2017, 12:27 am

    The real truth here is that Americans have no idea about what happened in the ’67 “Liberty” incident. Not a clue about how much money the US has sent Israel’s way over the last two generations. Totally uninformed about how Netanyahu weaponized the “Stuxnet” virus and ruined it as a potential answer to the Iran nukes program. Americans just don’t know these things. They even accept the fact that “Likud” calls the former President of the US ” the face of antisemitism for the 21st century.” A singularly gross insult, tinged with racism.

    But should they find out. With some kind of sustained informational schooling on all matters US/Israel. I’d say there would be big changes ahead. But so far it hasn’t happened? How long this can last will probably be as long as Israel can continue to have a “Special Relationship” with US mass media. They do a good job at keeping people blissfully ignorant.

    • Citizen
      July 19, 2017, 3:06 pm

      I wonder daily what it will take to get the US mainstream media to start telling truth about Israel and how negative Israel’s influence is on US best interests. I have wondered daily for half a century.

  12. wdr
    July 19, 2017, 2:54 am

    Freilich must have been asleep for the past 30 years if he think that Israel’s “isolation has increased.” Israel now has close relations with India, China, Russia, and all of the former Soviet satellites. Compare with say 1975: Israel had no diplomatic relations with the USSR, its satellites except Romania, or China, and only nominal relations with India, dominated by the pro-Arab Congress Party. At the time, the USSR was the world’s foremost expositor of anti-semitism and anti-Zionism. Today, Putin does everything but fast on Yom Kippur. Israel has diplomatic relations with 6 or 7 Arab states, and a de facto alliance with Egypt and Saudi Arabia, which everyone knows about. There is zero evidence that any Western state has weakened in its support for Israel. He is also failing to note the ever-increasing centrality of the Holocaust in Western consciousness. Of course Israel would be better off without US foreign aid- as its economy grows, maybe it should be giving aid to the US.

    • amigo
      July 19, 2017, 12:50 pm

      “There is zero evidence that any Western state has weakened in its support for Israel.” wdr

      Really !

      “BUDAPEST – Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu launched a blistering attack against the European Union during a closed-session meeting Wednesday morning in the Hungarian capital of Budapest, telling the premiers of Hungary, the Czech Republic, Poland and Slovakia that the EU’s behavior toward Israel is crazy.
      read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.802143

      The zionist mind , like Israel ,has no boundaries in it,s willingness to self delude .

      • Kaisa of Finland
        July 19, 2017, 4:38 pm

        Amigo:

        I just read that exactly same news at Finnish YLE.. This is not the only issue where our thoughts differ a lot from these East European conservatives.. I hope they won’t have too much power in these matters in the future..

      • Kaisa of Finland
        July 19, 2017, 4:55 pm

        And about this Haarez article.. Netanyahu makes it sound like Israel is the center of the world.. Nothing has changed in Israel since I lived there..

      • Kaisa of Finland
        July 19, 2017, 5:25 pm

        Amigo:

        I must add good news from Finland: Finnish YLE (our National Broadcasting Network) is sending our own correspondent in to Jerusalem in September. I am sure I have not been the only one sending them e-mails around the issue, that instead of having random journalists visiting sometimes or else relaying on other press agencys, we need to have better information and wider perspective on things going on in the area. So not big step for the world, but big step for us :) !!

      • amigo
        July 19, 2017, 7:19 pm

        Hello Kaisa of Finland.

        “This is not the only issue where our thoughts differ a lot from these East European conservatives.”

        I do not know how the ordinary citizens of east European countries think about Israel,s actions in occupied Palestine but I doubt Nietanyahu cares as long as he has their leaders in his pocket. Much the same as Theresa May –(Honorary member Conservative friends of Israel) now Macron and all the other West European leaders with a few exceptions–ie Norway .

        But time will change that as Israel continues to wave it,s finger at the rest of us.

        It won,t last .

      • echinococcus
        July 19, 2017, 8:56 pm

        Amigo,

        Loss of total control by the US will be enough for the Zionists to get the hot potato treatment by all of Europe and much of the rest.

      • Sibiriak
        July 20, 2017, 1:11 am

        [Haaretz:] Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu launched a blistering attack against the European Union…

        ——————————

        Netanyahu has also launched blistering attacks on exploding European anti-Semitism.

        I’m not sure I’d believe him in either case.

      • Kaisa of Finland
        July 20, 2017, 5:11 am

        Amigo:

        Well, with the East European conservatives I meant these people!! I hope they are not too many in there :) !

      • Kaisa of Finland
        July 20, 2017, 5:17 am

        (Since someone anyway voted for him to get there.. )

      • Kaisa of Finland
        July 20, 2017, 7:13 am

        Amigo:

        From my “Nordic” point of view, the war and chaos in Syria and Irak have been like a “lottery winst” to Netanyahu and his friends. Before the war in Syria, Palestinians and their situation, the “peace process”, illegal settlements and the possible two-state-solution was guite a lot in open discussion in here and those Palestinian refugees who live here, had f.ex. tv-time in different debats to give their point of views about those things. Then started the war in Syria and those suffering children, bombed towns and later the masses of refugees just filled all that “tv-space” and public discussions and the issue with Israel just faded somewhere in the backround. And ofcourse Netanyahu with his mates just used that time f.ex. in expanding those illegal settlements without anyone (from outside) “having time” to interfere or protest.

        It looks like after Trump(and Jared Kushner) got elected to lead the U.S. forgein policies, there has been more action here to get the voice of the Palestinias heard again (so I am not the onlyone :) ). And I am sure that peace in Syria would meen more focus on the human right issues in the area of I/P in here. And I would dare to say that in all of the Nordic countries the majority of the people would choose to support the Palestinians (f.ex. with boycotts), if they just got enough information about what is going on in there right now. And that is why I see our own news correspondent in Jerusalem as a big step for the better.

        And all though the biggest financial support to Israel comes from U.S., the Israelis like to travel in Europe and they’d also want Europeans to like them.. So there is some power in that too.

    • amigo
      July 19, 2017, 12:55 pm

      “Israel has diplomatic relations with 6 or 7 Arab states, and a de facto alliance with Egypt and Saudi Arabia, which everyone knows about.”wdr

      Show me the company you keep and I will show you who you are.

      Wait a minute , aren,t those Arab States part of the 1.3 billion Muslims
      out to kill all the Jews and destroy Israel.

    • Antidote
      July 20, 2017, 3:21 pm

      Wdr

      you are correct, of course. Israel is in very good shape these days. Ironically, the only support in decline is Jewish support, esp American Jewish support, and this will make not much difference. The other opposition comes from the EU. The arguments pushed by Netanyahu at the Visegrad meeting mic incident are what he has been openly peddling before US lawmakers years ago: Israel is leading edge in R&D, not just in weapons and surveillance but also in alternative energy, water technology and other areas that will become increasingly important and lucrative for the region and the world. The Palestinians have nothing to offer but bending the arch of history towards justice. One may see that as a superior moral goal but most of the world aparently does not. Hence Netanyahu’s diagnosis that the EU is a crazy and suicidal group of countries that subordinates interests of trade and technological transfer to moral standards and the rule of international law, whereas everyone else is guided by legitimate self-interest and survival. The Visegrad countries love to hear this, and they will , and already have, invoke the Holocaust to camouflage their immorality as a great virtue and historical responsibility. See Orban’s revolting statement , in response to Netanyahu, according to which betraying the Jews for an alliance with Germany will not happen again under his watch.

      • oldgeezer
        July 20, 2017, 8:34 pm

        @Antidote

        The mic incident, while interesting, was not a accidental hot mic accident in my opinion. Preplanned for a Nutty speech. This was a speech for his base as well as ordinary citizens of the EU.

        Israel does produce a number of innovations but the reality is nothing it produces is not easily replaceable when not already produced elsewhere. It’s pharma industry is largely knock off drugs (one patent last time I looked 3-4 years ago), it’s irrigation industry largely comprised of US held patents and it’s microchip industry are branch industries of multinationals. North Vietnam has a level 4 fab as does Israel. The leading technology innovator in water desalinization is actually California. You can’t knock their contributions but they are not even remotely indispensible in the world economy. There wouldn’t be much of a hiccup if there was a 100% boycott and sanction regime in place.

      • MHughes976
        July 21, 2017, 8:23 am

        I’m sure that is right on the economics, og, though I think Antidote is perceptive about Israel’s gathering new supporters and thereby compensating for a certain weakening (not to exaggerate that process)?of formerly cast iron suppprt among Jewish people in the United States.

  13. Ossinev
    July 19, 2017, 10:08 am

    @WDR

    ” He is also failing to note the ever-increasing centrality of the Holocaust in Western consciousness”

    I am in and from the “”West”. I was born long after the Holocaust.My children and grandchildren were born long long long after the Holocaust. None of us nor my friends nor my neighbours have any form of” consciousness centrality ” with regards to the Holocaust.

    I think that you may be somewhat confused. The “ever increasing centrality” ( wow what a Hasbaritic mouthful) in the West particularly amongst the younger generation is focused more and more on the barbarities CURRENTLY being visited on the defenceless (sound familiar ?) Palestinian poulation by your shittly little fascist colonial apartheid state.

    Thus when Westerners think of “Israel” and “Jews” they now think of Gaza blitzkreigs, hundreds of slaughtered children, cattle gate checkpoints – the list is endless. They do not automatically think of the “Holocaust”. Zios have to put it mildly overplayed that particular card.

    Freilich is very awake and very aware of this.

    Tick tick

  14. James Canning
    July 19, 2017, 1:36 pm

    I made the comment that I thought more intermarriage between Jews and non-Jews would be a good thing for both the US and Israel.

    • Citizen
      July 19, 2017, 3:10 pm

      And? I have had such an intermarriage; and a half century of pure frustration at US foreign policy.

      • MHughes976
        July 19, 2017, 3:27 pm

        It took me longer – I am 73 today – to appreciate the terrible injustice that is being perpetrated in Palestine.

      • eljay
        July 19, 2017, 3:34 pm

        || MHughes976: … I am 73 today … ||

        Happy birthday! :-)

      • amigo
        July 19, 2017, 5:03 pm

        Happy Birthday MHughes976.

        And many more.

      • RoHa
        July 19, 2017, 7:47 pm

        Many Happy Returns!

      • Antidote
        July 20, 2017, 12:18 am

        Happy birthday!

      • MHughes976
        July 20, 2017, 4:51 pm

        Thanks for good wishes!

  15. wdr
    July 19, 2017, 9:58 pm

    Another point to keep in mind is the deep hostility throughout the West, esp. in the US,
    towards Islamic fundamentalism and terrorism. So long as Israel appears to be threatened by Hamas, Hizbollah, etc. etc., it will automatically have the support of millions in the West. Every Islamic act of terrorism and suicide bombing increases the instinctive support for Israel among millions of people.

    • Bumblebye
      July 20, 2017, 1:32 pm

      Is this why israel is fostering, promoting, encouraging and investing in islamophobia in the west?

      • wdr
        July 21, 2017, 5:18 am

        Israel isn’t doing this. It has no need to. Muslim Jihadists and their supporters in the West are making tens of millions in the West hate them, very effectively.

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