The Israeli right can’t condemn Charlottesville because its whispered policy is, Nakba

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The Israeli prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, needed three days to react to the Charlottesville murder – more than Trump needed. His response was tepid. His son’s, however, was anything but. Yair Netanyahu, writing under his mother’s maiden name, is often referred to as the crown prince – and he thinks Black Lives Matter are a more serious danger than bleeding Nazis, marching under the Swastika and practicing their sturmabteilung moves.

Why?

It would be tempting, but wrong, to write Netanyahu junior off as a too-pampered, bloviating douchebag. He certainly is. However, he is anything but alone in his support of neo-Nazis and Trump. This vibe has been coming from all of the hard-core right wing recently. Nor is it new. If you look at Mida, an Israeli site claiming to be the “intellectual right” website, you’ll find it had a long love affair with the European hard right. This devolved into a farce when Mida’s special correspondent on European ultra-nationalists, Wilhelm Rott, who did everything possible to legitimize some pretty awful parties and claimed to be an Austrian aristocrat, turned out to be an Israeli, Moshe Tal-Heurti.

Farce aside, Mida – Israel’s equivalent of Breitbert and Milo Yiannopoulos – is no joke. Its first editor, Ran Baratz, later became a senior Netanuyahu aide, despite being singled out by Vice President Biden for claiming President Obama was an anti-semite. Like Baratz, Netanyahu junior is an important aide to his father, and can often be seen as his father’s mouthpiece, telling Netanyahu’s base what the prime minister himself is unwilling to say.

Netanyahu himself recently met with Hungary’s prime minister, Viktor Orban, despite the latter’s anti-semitic campaign against George Soros. The Israeli ambassador to Hungary sharply criticized the campaign – and then was silenced by the Foreign Minister, Binyamin Netanyahu.

So, again, how come the right wing of the “Never forget” country became a supporter of the extreme right?

There are several reasons. To start with, Israelis mostly don’t accept the humanistic moral of the Holocaust: when people say “Never again” and mean “Never again should a human being suffer this way”, most Israelis would say “Never again should a Jew suffer anything like this.”

Secondly, Zionism was a bit late to the power game: just as Israel was created, the bastard changed the rules and aggressive warfare and rule by right of conquest became a thing of the past. Many Israelis find this infuriating: how can those Europeans preach to us about human rights given their all too recent past? How can the US sermonize about civil rights, given the way it treated its native nations? Or, in short, why the hell did the party end just as we joined it? Which is why a common Israeli refrain is “If the US cares so much about the Palestinians, why won’t it give the Indians [most Israelis won’t use “Native Americans” or “first nations”] their land back?”

And, behind it all, lie the two Nakbas: the one that was and the one that is yet to be.

Israel was created in an explosion of ethnic cleansing. Historians can argue to what degree it was planned; as I see it, no plan was needed, no order required. When Ben-Gurion was asked by his officers what is to be done with the conquered population, he threw his arm widely. No word was spoken; none was needed. The unspoken order was clear. In fact, it was already implemented, at the brigade level, before this meeting.

And then came the great silence. The Biluim have a soul-piercing song about it:

“Sleep, my child, sleep;

Questions are dangerous.

They were away from the town,

It’s a bit complicated to explain,

Hold on to that:

We tried very hard,

We removed all the ruins,

Changed the names of the streets,

We tried very hard,

We silenced the rumors.”

Palestine was wiped off the map. Towns and villages disappeared. Their very names vanished. Palestinians who tried to return home were mowed down. But none of this was to be spoken of.

Palestine disappeared, but the Palestinians had the chutzpah not to.

They remain and they remind Israelis that their homeland is built on a graveyard. And as the Palestinians refused to disappear, there are three options to end the unceasing crisis. One is that old zombie, the two state solution. Impossible to implement. Two many settlers, not enough troops to remove them – even assuming the IDF won’t mutiny. The Disengagement required 50,000 soldiers to remove 8,000 settlers. There are 400,000 settlers in the West Bank. Do the math.

The second option is the one state solution. This will likely require a huge lake of blood. Israelis won’t give up their privileges without a deadly fight.

Which leads to the third option: the Second Nakba. Finishing the work of 1948.

This idea is quite common among the hard right. The polemicist Avishai Ivri coined the phrase “Nakba Now” a few years ago. The right wing has no other plans for solving the Palestinian crisis. It’s clear the Palestinians will not settle for anything less than either statehood or equal rights. Many right-wingers speak about giving Palestinians residency rights – I.e., keeping the military dictatorship in place and allowing Palestinians the right to vote in municipal elections. Most of them realize this is a pipe dream. So they’re left with “Nakba Now.”

And when that is your muttered policy, the one you rarely dare to speak about loudly, when you realize you may have to carry out another ethnic cleansing, it’s silly to moan about Nazis somewhere else. After all, you’re holding a very similar policy, and they’re likely to be your only allies.

Neither is this position unprecedented. In recent years, reverence for the leader of the leader of the LEHI underground movement (commonly refereed to in English as the Stern Gang), Avraham Stern, has been growing. LEHI is notorious for attempting an alliance with the Nazis in the early 1940s. The German ambassador in Turkey, the old fool von Pappen, was very enthusiastic; Himmler and Hitler did not deign to answer. But the call for alliance was based upon what the LEHI saw as equivalent ideas of two sister fascist movements. Given that a main theme of the current Nazi movement is Islamophobia – the idea of the collapse of the West due to an invasion from the east changing, mutatis mutandis, from Mongol hordes to Islamic ones – who says that this time, we won’t see such an alliance?

Both sides will legitimize the other. Israel will give the Nazis the political respectability they crave and a kosher stamp saying they’re not Nazis, just nationalists; and Israel’s occupation and envisioned ethnic cleansing will gain legitimacy by the new elites.

And if this isn’t the station where world Jewry goes off the Zionist train, I don’t what is.

About Yossi Gurvitz

Yossi Gurvitz is a journalist and a blogger, and has covered the occupation extensively.

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39 Responses

  1. JosephA
    August 16, 2017, 6:35 pm

    Yossi, thank you for the very logical summary. The situation is Israel really seems acutely dire.

  2. peter
    August 16, 2017, 9:25 pm

    Why do you describe the author as “having covered the occupation extensively”? Based on this article, I think he is knowledgeable about the Nakba, the destroyed villages in Israel, the refugees. etc. The “occupation” (by which most North Americans understand the “occupation of ’67” is only a part of the problem.

  3. ritzl
    August 16, 2017, 10:24 pm

    Yep. The nazi-like right is the nazi-like right is the nazi-like right…wherever they exist (Ukraine, Israel, Charlottesville, [anti-gov] Venezuela (or south of the border in general), …

    Kindred spirits, and mutually supportive.

    • DaBakr
      August 17, 2017, 1:32 am

      @r

      You have far more in common with the US neo nazis then any right wing Israeli no matter where they live in Israel Judea or Samaria. Start with the disgust (really fear, jealousy or deluded self righteousness) for Zionism, the belief that aipac runs Congress. the banks and the media and work your way down from there. you have a lot of nerve yakking about similarities to the u.s. kkk and neonaz.

      Btw- It was the left wing who supported the ACLU who fought ( & with good cause) tooth and nail to allow neo nazis the right to march ‘peacefully’ on Skokie, a town with a high proportion of shoah survivors. The ACLU of the 70s is the mainstream conservative today. my how ye have changed.

      • eljay
        August 17, 2017, 9:03 am

        || @aar: … You have far more in common with the US neo nazis then any right wing Israeli no matter where they live … Start with the disgust … for Zionism … ||

        Zionism is supremacism. It merits disgust, as does the Zionist belief that evil done by and for the benefit of people who choose to be Jewish is somehow “purer” than evil done by others for whatever reason.

        I’m sure U.S. neo-Nazis – and Islamic State supremacists, for that matter – thrill to the same sense of “purity” about their particular brands of evil.

        Birds of hateful and immoral feather…

      • ritzl
        August 17, 2017, 10:17 am

        @db Right. Because having a concern about the totally disproportionate political influence (toward psychopathic, counterproductive war policy and misdirected $Bs while Americans die by the thousands for lack of healthcare) by a sh*tty little, self-absorbed, exclusively self-interested (zero-sum as a long-ingrained worldview/method), country halfway across the planet (How many times has Netanyahu addressed a joint session of Congress again? I forget.) is the same as being a murderously violent supremacist of whatever flavor happens to suit. Got it.

        Not sure how Skokie fits into your attempt to teach me a lesson, but yeah, in the US even neo-nazis have rights. How ’bout in Israel? I hear the Jewish majority routinely tries to boot Palestinian MKs out of the Knesset just for taking a boat ride, or therwise speaking words of which the majority doesn’t approve. Gosh, do you think a rally advocating something like the Right of Return would be allowed in Greater Israel? Hell, Palestinians can’t even hold a funeral without being shot or kidnapped and put into indeterminate “administrative detention.”

        Where’s the Israeli Skokie??

        Have a nice day demolishing the homes of people not the same as you!

      • CigarGod
        August 17, 2017, 10:44 am

        Freedom of Speech.
        Especially speech you disagree with.
        Practice it.
        Preserve it.

      • DaBakr
        August 17, 2017, 9:58 pm

        @c

        . I agree. But, since I don’t know what happened to spark the violence I can not say if the neo nazis were attacked or if they attacked. Obviously some Nazi ran a woman down and wether provoked or not is on him. As for some on the left, I only know you don’t show up for peaceful counter protest with bats. Otherwise I’ve been in the US when other neo Nazi groups marched, sued in federal court and even when the fbi attacked a family and killed the son and mother. It’s not like this is a new issue in America. neo nazis are there among you, have been and will be for a long time. They are poor suffering dopes who believe in a non existent fairy tale.

        @e
        You really seemed to get my point with the “birds of a feather..” comment. But the funniest line was “choose to be Jewish” .!

        . Please tell that to my relatives if you see them when you drop dead. Tell it to my family who fled from Israel to Morocco, up to Spain an then half went back to Morocco and the other went up through France, Germany, into Poland and Russia. they would have a great laugh at the whole ‘choice’ thing. Of course some could have converted in spain by force, not choice, to Catholicism and face torture if they said a prayer in Hebrew. Oh, oh better yet….. That story (my narrative) must be false because, you know, askinazi Jews are khazzers and can’t have come from Israel. Why -even your local genius yonifalicy says it’s so. And he’s studied! We, the great warrior tribe defeated by Muslims and chose to convert to Jews . I never heard anything make more sense then that.

        But,i agree that someone like say… Phil Weiss could choose to leave Judaism behind and if there are no offspring he would easily be forgotten as having anything to do with being a jew. He could speed up the process by changing his name to white but it’s not required ( though, somebody in the future might put him in a camp anyway.) If Jews can choose to be Jewish why don’t the Arabs convert to Judaism and claim Israel and eventually convert back to Islam. Why couldn’t Spanish Jews choose what to be? Why did the Muslim colonizers force Jews an masse to convert to Islam if we’ve always had such “choice”.
        . While I doubt the moderators would blink an suspect that comment alone should be sufficient for a ban. You might as well say that Lena Horne, Lenny Kravitz or Alexander Dumas got to choose wether they were black or not. repugnant is one description.

        @r
        . What does skokie have to do with the Charlottesville incident? Hmm. Maybe it’s that America has made space for neo nazis to march for decades and mostly without incident. And the irony is that it was the former left (with Jews aplenty) that fought for the Nazis to claim their rights to free speech. Now, the left is just as intolerant as they claim the right is. That’s the point.

        . You already fought the battle of Skokie and moved on. At least most Americans did. And the number of Nazis hasn’t grown very much over the years. They just mastered the internet and created a louder and more devious voice. Exactly what the far left does when it claims intersectionality can’t support Zionism but otherwise have no problem with Jews. I know you don’t understand why that comment is such a crock. If the left can only tolerate the very small percentage of Jews worldwide (you really think the Jews here on MW represent anything but far fringe? ) who do not support the right of Israel to exist as a Jewish state then the far left absolutely has a BIG problem with Jews. If only a small % of Jews are tolerable to anybody it’s called Jew-hating which is exactly what neo nazis do.. which is my point in the first place! now I’ve made it twice.

      • YoniFalic
        August 18, 2017, 7:45 pm

        I consider the Khazar hypothesis too focused on the most well-known pre-modern conversion when there should be more focus on significant but less well-known pre-modern conversions.

        Linguistic, textual and other data suggests that EEuro and German Jews especially outside of the region of Southern Ukraine are much more likely to be descended from Slavic, Germanic, Byzantine, or Gallo-Roman converts than from Turkic converts.

        The important point is the following.

        Judaism has been a major proselytizing religion since the Persian imperial period, something to which the Book of Esther alludes.

        Zios that try to claim that Jews are an ethnicity or Volk in the German ethnoracial sense are simply liars and must be discounted.

        Slavo-Turks, whose ancestors converted to Judaism and who until recently spoke Yiddish, were an ethnicity or Volk of Eastern Europe and were autochthonous or indigenous to E. Europe. They have no legitimate claim to Palestine, the UN made an error in accepting the State of Israel into the UN, the white racist genocidal settler-colonist invader population must be removed, and the Zionist leadership both in the Levant and throughout the world must be tried for genocide — preferably in a venue that still executes by hanging.

        The Rome Statute explicitly states that there is no statute of limitations for genocide. Either the State of Israel exists and the white racist genocidal invaders remain in the country they stole or there is an international antigenocide legal regime.

        BTW, I don’t make fun of people’s names. Why are Zio commentators allowed to do so?

      • DaBakr
        August 19, 2017, 12:38 am

        @yonifalic

        I apologize for the name play. it won’t happen again. it was inappropriate.

        * i still think your beliefs are a real trip.

      • eljay
        August 19, 2017, 9:45 am

        || @ar: … @e … You really seemed to get my point with the “birds of a feather..” comment. … ||

        I’m glad you finally agree that Zionists truly are hateful and immoral people.

        || … But the funniest line was “choose to be Jewish” .! … ||

        Jewish is a choice. There’s nothing funny about that.

        Nor is there anything funny about acts of injustice and immorality committed against people who choose to be Jewish or against people who do not choose to be Jewish.

        I condemn injustice and immorality in both cases; Zionist hypocrites like you condemn them in the former case but advocate, commit, justify and/or defend them in the latter. And that’s not funny in the least – it’s just hateful and immoral. Or, in a word, Zionist.

      • Mooser
        August 19, 2017, 12:09 pm

        *” i still think your beliefs are a real trip.”

        “YoniFalic” grew up in Israel. You didn’t.

      • DaBakr
        August 20, 2017, 11:49 pm

        @m
        So, your saying anybody who “grew up” in Israel has a much better handle on the I/p conflict and what the definition of Jewish is. thank you. I’ve been saying much of the same for many years. who is going to stop the small minority of radical israeli wing nuts running amuck around the world espousing their own personal theories about origins of eastern euro jews? yfalic has blessings to claim anything he wants. He just can’t claim that his views are believed by any but a small fringe.

        And that fringe would be:
        @e

        . ” Jewish is a choice” ok. If you (and all your dozens of links that your going to provide as proof) want to believe in that and the tooth fairy it’s ok by me. I now understand where your coming from. pro-choice all the way.

      • eljay
        August 21, 2017, 9:00 am

        || @kr: … ” Jewish is a choice” ok. If you (and all your dozens of links that your going to provide as proof) want to believe in that and the tooth fairy it’s ok by me. … ||

        Jewish is a religion-based identity. People can choose to be Jewish and people can choose not to be Jewish. There’s nothing imaginary about it.

        What is “tooth fairy”, however, is the belief that Jewish is some sort of otherworldly identity that can neither be adopted nor relinquished.

        It’s clear that your fragile sense of self requires you to clutch desperately at this belief.

      • Mooser
        August 21, 2017, 12:20 pm

        @m”

        Mutter away, if you like.

  4. Marnie
    August 17, 2017, 12:53 am

    The israeli right is completely at home with white nationalists and neo-nazis; their agenda is the same. It’s a mutual admiration society and to hell with them all.

    • DaBakr
      August 17, 2017, 10:19 pm

      @mrn

      The American far left is far more similar in viewpoint to neo nazis then anyone on the far right in Israel. both groups spout the same line about Zionist influence. You both believe zionists control the US Congress and more. You both believe that zionists own the banks, the media and the entire entertainment industry. The only difference afaict is the far left states they have no problem with Jews when what they mean is they have a HUGE problem with almost 90% of world Jews but can tolerate the small percentage that disavow or rejects Zionism. And as I said, that’s called Jew hating and it’s on the Nazis and on far left as well.
      If you can’t look around and see who your allied with you could be accused of being blind.

      • Mooser
        August 18, 2017, 10:51 am

        “The American far left is far more similar in viewpoint to neo nazis then anyone on the far right in Israel.”

        It’s soo obvious. Anybody can see it.

      • Marnie
        August 21, 2017, 7:28 am

        From the video – nazis answer to the question ‘where are you guys headed?’ Response – ‘I don’t know’. ;^P

  5. Qualtrough
    August 17, 2017, 2:16 am

    “Richard Spencer, a white nationalist and de facto leader of the so-called “alt-right,” described himself to a reporter on Israel’s Channel 2 News as “a white Zionist” on Wednesday evening and argued that Israelis “should respect someone like me.”

    Source: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.807335

  6. mariapalestina
    August 17, 2017, 10:05 am

    “Richard Spencer, a white nationalist and de facto leader of the so-called “alt-right,” described himself to a reporter on Israel’s Channel 2 News as “a white Zionist” on Wednesday evening and argued that Israelis “should respect someone like me.”

    I’m trying to keep up. Lately I’ve been reading a lot by Jews proclaiming that Jews aren’t white; they’re Jewish. (When I learned my colors in primary school Jewish wasn’t one of them, but that was in England, so what did they know?)

    Here’s one source. It also claims “Jews are not a religion.” Apologies that it’s TOI, but it’s the first one that came up, & I’m off to catch a flight to England.

    http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/ashkenazi-jews-are-not-white-response-to-haaretz-article/

    • Mooser
      August 18, 2017, 12:33 pm

      It’s easy for an allrightnik to become an alt-rightnik.

    • Mooser
      August 20, 2017, 12:56 pm

      ” Lately I’ve been reading a lot by Jews proclaiming that Jews aren’t white; they’re Jewish”

      But with a lot of training and experience, it is possible to ‘pass’. But you’ve got to watch yourself every second.

  7. Elizabeth Block
    August 17, 2017, 11:34 am

    Norman Finkelstein was in Toronto recently. I asked him what the Israelis would like to do with Gaza if they had their druthers. I think they would want all the Gazans to curl up and die, and for Gaza to be obliterated. Why? The Gazans have the chutzpah not to disappear, and they are living, breathing reminders that Israel is built on a graveyard.

    The late Hajo Meyer was here a few years ago, on a speaking tour. Title of his presentation: “Never Again For Anyone.” No synagogue, no mainline Jewish institution, would give him a platform. Some of them called him an anti-Semite. He spoke at the Winchevsky Centre (secular and/or left-wing Jews) and at Quaker House.

  8. Semsem El Eini
    August 19, 2017, 5:21 pm

    Now tell us about the Jewish Nakba when 1 million Jews like me were robbed and forced to flee from the Arab countries after living in these countries since over 2,000 years.

    • JosephA
      August 19, 2017, 5:45 pm

      The Zionist state should pay reparations for the middle eastern Jews it forced to move to Israel with pressure and false-flag attacks.

    • eljay
      August 19, 2017, 6:10 pm

      || Semsem El Eini: Now tell us about the Jewish Nakba … ||

      Now you tell us about the non-Jewish Holocausts.

      || … when 1 million Jews like me were robbed and forced to flee from the Arab countries after living in these countries since over 2,000 years. ||

      “Jews like me” – Are you saying that you’re Jewish, that you lived in Arab countries for over 2,000 years or that you’re Jewish and lived in Arab countries for over 2,000 years?

      • echinococcus
        August 19, 2017, 11:29 pm

        Yaa Ayni,

        Jews like me were robbed and forced to flee from the Arab countries after living in these countries since over 2,000 years.

        Get out of here… you are, like seriously, over 2,000 years-old and still alive? I heard about miracles but this one is tall.

        Also, you didn’t have to invent and/or support Zionism. That’ll larn you. If you guys had opposed it seriously, you’d still be living in milk and honey.

    • talknic
      August 19, 2017, 6:18 pm

      @ Semsem El Eini

      It’s NORMAL for countries at war to expel or intern and to seize and freeze the assets of possible allies of their enemies as did Australia, the US the UK to their citizens of Japanese German and Italian descent in WW2.

      It’s also NORMAL to release, allow the return of and unfreeze their assets at war’s end except of course if they have taken up citizenship in a country other than that of return, whereby they forgo any refugee status.

      If Israel were to pursue compensation from the the Arab countries, it would be an admission that such rights exist and Israel is not and has never been in the financial position to afford to compensate those it dispossessed

      BTW the 500,000 Arab Jews taking up citizenship in Israel ensured a Jewish majority for the future of the Zionist colonization project.

      I’m sure you have plenty of other stupid Zionist arguments

    • Mooser
      August 19, 2017, 6:53 pm

      “Jews like me were robbed and forced to flee from the Arab countries after living in these countries since over 2,000 years.”

      Just wait until you see a nectarine, “Semsem”, it’ll blow your mind.

    • oldgeezer
      August 19, 2017, 7:33 pm

      A million! The figure keeps growing all the time. When the fictional zionist propaganda mill first started this silly claim it was almost as many Jewish people as Palestinians. Now you have them beat.

      For the most part it’s pure fiction. Absolute b/s. To the extent it is true, and it was true for a much smaller number than you claim, then the state of Israel should be attempting to get reparations on your behalf. Don’t expect to see a dime of course as it will be consumed by the state and not those entitled to it as they did with Holocaust reparations.

      It has nothing, zip, zilch, nada to do with the reparations that Palestinians are owed plus the additional monies they are owed for the 50+ years of oppression and suppresing their economy.

      You aren’t a victim. Wipe away your crocodile tears and remove your boots from the necks of Palestinians.

  9. yourstruly
    August 21, 2017, 2:12 pm

    Another reason for the Zionist state’s reluctance to strongly criticize. last week’s neonazii rampage in Charletsville might have been that it sees opportunity in the rise of fascism for the eventual returning “home” of America’s Jewry. After all we are the last remaining significant reservoir of Ashkenazi Jews, preferentially sought, compared to either the Sephardic or Misrahii Jew, desperate, as Israel is, to alter. the demographic balance towards Jews outnumbering Palestinians. Best, then, that Israel hold back on codemning neonazi’s in America, lest they prevail and the Zionist enttty finds IT needs to bargain with them.

  10. xanadou
    August 23, 2017, 10:26 pm

    So the US is nigh-on unanimous on bringing down statues honouring the defenders of the old South and its dying economic raison d’etre, but silent on sending annual billion dollar stipends to prop up a contemporary racist, genocidal regime that is destroying a people who, for thousands of years have lived on the land from which they have been and continue to be, forcibly removed over the last 70 years. Unlike the current impostor-tenants who have no other connection to the land other than a fanciful book of myths and imperial desires to conquer the region to fulfill a pathetic zio obsession with a “greater israel”.

    The original (German) nazis had equally insane ambitions re conquering Eastern Europe. What was to be done with the peoples who had lived there for eons? Minorities such as the Jews were to be exterminated en masse, the Slavs – to be made into land-tilling slaves to their new German masters.

    The more things change…

    • xanadou
      August 23, 2017, 11:09 pm

      The Jewish claims to Palestine are very weak. The archeologists have proven than Jewish israel of the Antiquities was never more than a myth. Judaism was invented around 500BC and for a long time was one of many diverse polytheistic cults that engaged the local populations.
      https://www.amazon.com/Bible-Unearthed-Archaeologys-Finkelstein-Silberman/dp/B00LLOKGGM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1503543215&sr=8-1&keywords=finkelstein+silberman

      Towards the end of the Antiquities (ca 100BC) the cult gradually evolved into a religion, gaining in status and local dominance due to massive regional proselytising around the Med basin:
      https://www.amazon.com/Invention-Jewish-People-Shlomo-Sand/dp/1844676234/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1503543302&sr=1-1&keywords=shlomo+sand

      The Jews of Judea, were a minority in the land of Palestine since its inception. Most left in the early days of the new, post-Antiquities era, many converted to Christianity, and/or Islam. Which is why the title to the land is given to people who have actually lived and worked on the land for many successive generations. A great many Palestinians, to their detriment, never bothered with establishing bureaucratic paper-based claims. It made proving their land claims to their new wanna-be masters impossible. The latter clearly had no legal claim either, but the disastrous UN resolution created a homeland for strangers, ignoring the rights and claims of the long-established generations of Palestinians. Thus the precedent for the Naqba was set. The rest is history heavily steeped in rivers of blood and tears of the viciously subjugated Palestinians.

  11. Stogumber
    August 29, 2017, 11:11 am

    Peace between the nations will come when nationalists get moderate enough to work with each other. This has worked well from time to time. It didn’t work in 1940 – because of long-time distrust and vindictiveness -, but that is a counterexample, not a general proof.

    On the other hand, cosmopolitans can become a positive force only if they see themselves as a particular “nation”, different from the tradtional nations, on equal terms with them, and not speaking for mankind in general.

    • Mooser
      August 29, 2017, 3:08 pm

      “On the other hand, cosmopolitans can become a positive force only if they see themselves as a particular “nation”, different from the tradtional nations, on equal terms with them, and not speaking for mankind in general.”

      You’ve hit the nail right on the head. The problem with cosmopolitans is that they are so damn provincial!

      And for that sin, mankind should exclude anyone with too many stickers on their Samsonite!

      You, uhhh, do know the origin of “cosmopolitan” as a slur, or political insult, don’t you, “Stopgumber”? Nuff said, Comrade? Or you can keep following the Party Line and dialectic.

      • gamal
        August 29, 2017, 7:04 pm

        “You, uhhh, do know the origin of “cosmopolitan” as a slur,”

        at rootless cosmopolitan HQ we finally outed ourselves, “No loyalty to the flag”,

        “children of Diaspora” whats going to happen to us? Edward Said was child of diaspora “so fear not”

        never bow to the Queen though

        https://youtu.be/iH4wIeF0W4I

      • Mooser
        August 30, 2017, 12:29 pm

        Them “rootless cosmopolitans” are the worst.

        “Appearing as messengers and propagandists for bourgeois ideology, the rootless-cosmopolitans fawned over and groveled before decadent bourgeois culture. Defaming Soviet socialist culture, they praised to the heavens that which was found in the emaciated and decayed conditions of bourgeois culture. In the great culture of the Russian people they saw echos and rehashings of Western bourgeois culture.

        Harmful and corrupting petty ideas of bourgeois cosmopolitanism were also carried over into the realms of Soviet literature, Soviet film, graphic arts, in the area of philosophy, history, economic and juridical law and so forth.” (Complete Pravda editorial at link)

    • RoHa
      August 30, 2017, 1:41 am

      Keep your Cosmopolitan. The Australian Women’s Weekly is good enough for me.

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