In Ireland, a Palestinian is understood

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I recently took my first trip to Ireland, a place I’ve long wanted to visit.  In the United States, Ireland is something of an industry, a verdant land bearing ancestral secrets and exotic folklore.  It’s the country’s less romantic side, though, that has held my interest.

Because of my lifelong concern for Palestine, I’ve always thought of Ireland in the language of contestation and resilience, a place with a lofty presence in the world’s anti-colonial panacea.  Images of an emaciated Bobby Sands and guerillas wearing black ski masks are deeply familiar to Palestinians.  We hold tightly to memories of the PLO and IRA hobnobbing in Beirut.  Ireland’s liberation features significantly in Palestine’s national consciousness.

PLO/IRA Irish Republican Mural in Belfast, Northern Ireland

This view of Ireland is also a romanticization, but not one borne of a desire to exploit.  Rather, it informs an eagerness to find places in the world where affirmation needn’t be the result of pleading.  The oppressed gravitate toward one another because empathy is a vital element of survival.  People tire of explaining themselves; sometimes they simply need to be understood.

Entering the country affirmed the old cliché about first impressions.  After a surprisingly quick flight from Washington DC, I waited patiently in the line for passport control, hyperaware of my ethnic markings. When it came my turn, the elderly man behind the counter asked, “Business or pleasure?”

I try to be honest at border crossings.  I have no moral problem with lying to authorities, mind you, I just happen to be terrible at it.  “Both,” I replied.

“What’s the business part?”

“I’m attending an academic conference at Trinity.”

“Oh, what’s it about?”  Here his tone lapsed from formal to conversational.

“Palestine and academic freedom.”

“You don’t say?  What was the first country to recognize the Palestinian passport?”

“In recent times?”

“Yes, after Oslo.”

“I don’t know.”

“Japan.  [A google search a few hours later appeared to prove him correct.]  What year did they sign Oslo?”

I wanted to respond, “What the hell kind of interrogation is this?”  Instead I guessed, “1993?”

“That’s right.”  He went on to discourse about the failure of diplomacy to secure freedom for Palestinians and to lament the timidity of the European Union.  I was enjoying his diatribe, but an impatient line had formed behind me.  The agent was too deep into his frustration to notice.  Finally, he stamped my passport and handed it over.  “I admire what you’re doing,” he offered, smiling, “and wish you the best of luck.”

It was an unusual encounter.  At any junction where the state can essentially do whatever it wants, as at points of entry, people who work in Palestine solidarity, or who are actually Palestinian (or Arab or Muslim or Black, i.e., not part of the world’s minuscule population of white people), are accustomed to tension, obstruction, suspicion, aggression, detention, or worse.

Although the encounter was random, it endeared me to the Ireland of my anti-colonial imagination. (My empirical calculations have determined that there’s exactly a zero percent chance of a customs agent in the USA cheerily chitchatting about Palestine.)  It also provided a new way of thinking about the drudgery of travel.  Although we’ve come to expect hardship in the murky spaces of transit, where everybody is judged without the benefit of civic protections, we needn’t accept the hardship as permanent.  Few things better illuminate Palestinian identity than the hassle of being reduced to a set of political essences.  But Palestinians have always managed to transcend such reductions.

Why should those who support Palestine’s liberation—motivated by compassion and empathy, loyal to the simple dictum of equal rights—always be made to move in shame, wracked by the anxieties of unbelonging, ever subject to the antipathy of disrepute?

And why should Zionists—advocates of theft and destruction, devoted to an arcane system of racial separation—wander through the world with ease, privy to the luxury of approval?

There’s a simple answer: fealty to state power is repaid in thousands of conveniences.  Zionists enjoy the self-assurance of orthodoxy.  But that answer tells us nothing of the Palestinian’s condition.  It’s not a pleasant reality.  The tension apparent in any airport security line owes its existence to the twisted logic of settler colonization, in which aggression is rational and compassion a detriment.

Settler colonization never voluntarily abates, either.  It’s a regime that rewards conformity and in turn produces a culture of deference, a burden always present even in absence of governmental dicta.  The most banal interactions manage to serve as referenda on the native’s virtue.  A simple act of politeness is thus seen as astonishing generosity.  A politician’s bare affirmation of humanity becomes a liberatory gesture.

I carried these afflictions into Ireland, as I do wherever I travel (and as many of us do without knowing the extent of our psychic compromises).  By the time I was shivering in Dublin’s oceanic air, it occurred to me that the customs agent hadn’t provided special treatment; he was merely treating me with the sort of dignity proffered to anybody seen as human.  I am unaccustomed to that kind of normalcy.  In the anti-Zionist’s world, venality is routine.

In retrospect, the epiphany seems obvious, but it was suppressed by an acclimation to disrespect and suspicion.  Of all the ways to interpret this minor event—strong pro-Palestine sentiment in Ireland, a shift against Israel in world opinion, the mitigating powers of an American passport, a random encounter with a gregarious government employee—the one suggesting an existential conspiracy seems most logical.  The everyday debasement of the wretched has a way of heightening sensitivity.

After three days of debate and merriment with scholars and activists from around the world, I managed to learn a practical lesson from my unconventional entrance: change doesn’t always result from a revolutionary episode.  It can be an accumulation of hope and trust in everyday interactions.

Crossing borders with dignity might be impossible.  After all, national security is coterminous with the invention of foreign threats.  As long as we’re stuck with them, though, it’s important to guard against the corruption of our self-image.  Borders can determine where we travel, but they shouldn’t dictate where we belong.

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Steven Salaita's most recent book is Inter/Nationalism: Decolonizing Native America and Palestine.

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  1. amigo
    October 13, 2017, 3:04 pm

    “Although the encounter was random, it endeared me to the Ireland of my anti-colonial imagination. (My empirical calculations have determined that there’s exactly a zero percent chance of a customs agent in the USA cheerily chitchatting about Palestine.) ”

    Wonderful , isn,t it. An average Irish person , well informed in the real facts about Israel in spite of the efforts of the Israeli Embassy in Dublin to spin it,s web of lies and distortion of the truth.

    Not working too well .Irish people have a long history of being victims of oppression and colonialism and are not likely to offer sustenance to those who apologise for the rogue regime.

    Yeah , I know . Ireland is a hive of antisemites and Jew haters.

    Ok , jeffy boy , provide us with more of your in depth knowledge of Irish History.Stay away from Wiki,O, Pedia .

    • JeffB
      October 13, 2017, 3:41 pm

      @Amigo

      Tried to respond to your earlier post. Censored. Assume Ireland is off topic…

      • johneill
        October 14, 2017, 10:54 am

        an earlier post than first?

      • Mooser
        October 14, 2017, 2:51 pm

        “Tried to respond to your earlier post. Censored.” “Jeff b”

        No, either you were ‘moderated’, or more likely, you forgot to push “Post Comment”. I bet you do that a lot.

      • DaBakr
        October 14, 2017, 4:07 pm

        @m

        Fortunately for you, I do that often as well

      • Marnie
        October 14, 2017, 9:28 pm

        The tried and true method when JeffBee has a whole lot of nuthin’ to say that’s over and above his usual nuthin’. Blame censorship? Have you even read my posts to you?

      • Mooser
        October 15, 2017, 1:00 pm

        “Fortunately for you, I do that often as well”

        Well, I have no way to appreciate all the comments you don’t make, but I am certain they are good for the Jews.

    • just
      October 13, 2017, 4:50 pm

      This essay is a veritable treasure, Professor. I’ve now read it 3 times and it continues to tease and tempt me back… Profound thanks and kudos for giving it life.

      Love your comment and sentiments, amigo.

      • amigo
        October 13, 2017, 6:36 pm

        Just , thank you and as we say here , the same to yourself.

        I like to wonder what the Customs guy would have said , if it was a zionist instead of a Palestinian.I can,t imagine the zio would have left feeling he had been offered a “Cead Mile Failte ” .(Hundred thousand welcomes, for those who don,t know.)

      • just
        October 16, 2017, 4:26 pm

        Highly doubtful, amigo!

        I hope that you and yours are managing well with the tempest Ophelia.

      • amigo
        October 17, 2017, 1:34 pm

        Just. thank you for your concern.Ophelia has come and gone and we await reports on damage.sadly 3 souls lost their lives but overall we are fortunate in that it only lasted a short time v those that pounded Puerto Rico and the others for days recently.

        Best regards.

    • Misterioso
      October 14, 2017, 9:49 am

      The Irish have a lot in common with Palestinians. They were both “screwed” by the British.

      • Cazador
        October 16, 2017, 2:43 am

        Misterioso,
        We should never forget that empires are built on the back and suffering of other nations.

  2. gamal
    October 13, 2017, 4:21 pm

    hope this link works, I had cause to visit Dublin and while driving back to Ireland, which thankfully is not too far a couple of hours no more, I listened to Joe Duffy ( call in show) speak with Mike Murphy (25th sept episode), who is some kind of celebrity, talk about his visit to Palestine, two Israeli’s a guy Tomar(?) and a lady Helga called in to argue with him and denounce him, they did not do very well, see what you think.

    link to page

    http://www.rte.ie/radio1/liveline/programmes/2017/0925/907401-liveline-monday-25-september-2017/

    link to episode

    http://www.rte.ie/radio/utils/radioplayer/rteradioweb.html#!rii=b9%5F21239020%5F53%5F25%2D09%2D2017%5F

    • amigo
      October 13, 2017, 5:16 pm

      gamal , thanks for the link .I happened to hear part of that but only the last few minutes.

      Mike Murphy is indeed a celebrity and before he retired and had a very large audience.

      Tomar and Helga are always on stand by to spout hasbara for the rogue regime.Thankfully the zionist community has to rely on raw recruits to defend the indefensible.Poor devils , they know what they do, or say.

  3. scott9854958
    October 13, 2017, 4:45 pm

    Salaita should brush up on his Irish history a bit better. The Irish in the ROI completely sold out their Catholic cousins in the North, to the point of refusing to even investigate the 1974 Dublin bombings which were widely considered the work of the British government. And references to Bobby Sands? LOL, he was reviled in the South maybe even more than in London. As for that chatty border guard–wow, what a self-important jerk.

    • gamal
      October 13, 2017, 5:10 pm

      “Salaita should brush up on his Irish history a bit better”

      you don’t know shit and only an American (excuse me) could think that your set of unsupported opinions and confused bollixs amount to an history,

      “Catholic cousins” one of the funniest things you can experience is watching Americans claiming to be Irish to the Irish and relish the teasing to which the Plastic Paddies are subjected , you seem to be an especially fine example.

      “And references to Bobby Sands? LOL, he was reviled in the South maybe even more than in London.”

      we organised H-block protest marches in Skibbereen, very well attended, the night he died was intense.

      and me my great grandmother was an O’sullivan from Cork and we are humble in our admiration of that heroic young man, Bobby Sands the greatest MP in the history of the universe.

      “30 thousand votes while in captivity”

      https://youtu.be/GkCRABJi_Fk

    • Emory Riddle
      October 13, 2017, 6:05 pm

      Nonsense. Bobby Sands was not reviled in Ireland.

    • amigo
      October 13, 2017, 6:11 pm

      “The Irish in the ROI sold out their cousins in the North , to the point of refusing to investigate the 1974Dublin Bombings.”scott 958544444.

      Seems to me it was the citizens of the ROI that were sold out.Unless you think Dublin is in NI.

      Duh.

  4. Liz
    October 13, 2017, 5:49 pm

    Amazing how happy Salaita looks in the photo. “I am unaccustomed to that kind of normalcy,” he says, about being treated with respect. Sad that anti-Zionists come to expect to be treated poorly.

  5. JosephA
    October 13, 2017, 9:25 pm

    Wonderful, absolutely wonderful. Contrast that experience with the harassment I received from customs when returning from vacation in Iran to the good ole US of A.

  6. DaBakr
    October 13, 2017, 11:21 pm

    Ireland. Ok. Occupied by the ancient Celts who were eventually pushed out or father out by Anglo Saxons who colonized much of the land. A thousand years later there is a large revolutionary awareness born that indigenous Irish have every right to reclaim the land they were pushed off of over the past 1000yrs. (Note: the native Irish tribes did not abandon their connection to the land and accommodated their Scottish and Anglo colonizers as best they could through war, defeat, mass murder, expulsion,.etc.

    The Irish can relate much to the disposed Jews of Judea, brutalized and chased by Romans and later forced to convert or flee from colonialist Arab Muslims who took over the Jewish native of Judea and Samaria.

    Strange how many Irish have chosen to relate to the group of refugees that originally descend from colonialist Muslim Arabs forcing victims to convert or to flee. Others came as recently as the late 19th/early 20th for economic opportunities not available to them in Egypt, Lebanon, Syriac Libya and more. Whatever the explanation, the Jews of Judea share more in common with the oppressed Irish then the northern Irish do with Arabs self identifying as Palestinian Arabs. But nobody said the Irish ever made sense. They are lovable, hardy, stubborn but not always realistic or perceptive. Knee jerk reactions.

    • Maghlawatan
      October 14, 2017, 8:45 am

      FFS. Jews colonised Palestine and shunted the locals into refugee camps and onto poor land just as settlers did in Ireland. Irish people are sickened by injustice. This is why they support the Palestinians.

    • Emory Riddle
      October 14, 2017, 9:14 am

      Sheesh.

      Zionist apologists get to lecture blacks on black history, the Irish on Irish history, and the Muslims on Islam. .

    • Misterioso
      October 14, 2017, 10:53 am

      @DaBakr

      For your much needed edification:

      In 638 CE Palestine fell to the Muslims under Caliph Omar (or Umar.)  To this day, many Jews refer to the arrival of the Muslims as a “liberation” for Omar gave them unfettered access to Jerusalem, which they had been denied under the Christian Byzantines. Omar was equally generous to the Christians. “Never in the sorry story of conquest up to that day, and rarely since, were such noble and generous sentiments displayed by a conqueror as those extended to Jerusalem by Omar.” (Report by Sir William Fitzgerald on the Local Administration of Jerusalem, Jerusalem: Government Printer, 1945, p.4)

      After he cleared the location of the ancient Jewish Temple (used as a garbage dump under Christian rule), Omar built Jerusalem’s first mosque, a simple wooden structure. Between 688 and 691, the Mosque of the Dome of the Rock was constructed by Caliph Abd al-Malik and behind it his son al-Walid built the Mosque of al-Aqsa during his caliphate (705-715.) Omar also granted Christians full religious freedom as well as unrestricted use of their churches and the right to build new ones and he encouraged European pilgrims to visit the holy places. In 638, Omar signed the Covenant of Omar or Al-Uhda al-Omariyya, a document little known outside of the Christian and Islamic communities in Palestine in which he pledged to Sophronius, Jerusalem’s Christian patriarch, to protect Christians along with their properties and churches and right of worship.

      In 1187, Saladin liberated Jerusalem from brutal oppressors, i.e., the Crusaders who were slaughtering Muslims and Jews. He then invited the Jews who had been exiled, to return and practice their faith freely.

      The Arabic inscription over Jaffa Gate (the western entrance to Old Jerusalem) was instituted by Saladin. It reads: “There is no Lord but God and Abraham is his friend.” Throughout the country there were Muslim mosques and shrines honouring the Hebrew patriarchs. Palestinian Muslims celebrated religious festivals honouring the Jewish prophets and often gave Hebrew first names to their children.  In order to quell inter-Christian rivalry over access to the Holy Sepulchre, Saladin initiated what is now a 800 year tradition of entrusting its keys to a Muslim family. (Harvard Professor, Walid Khalidi Before Their Diaspora, p. 32)    It is easy to understand why Palestine’s indigenous Arab Jews were vehemently opposed to Zionism.       

      To quote Jewish historian, Professor Maxime Rodinson, of the Sorbonne: “A small contingent of Arabs from Arabia did indeed conquer the country in the seventh century.  But…the Palestinian population soon became Arabized…in a way that it was never to become Latinized or Ottomanized.  The invaded melted with the invaders…. [By the 20th century,] the Arab population of Palestine was native in all the usual senses of the word.” (“Israel and the Arabs,” 1968)         

      Israel’s first president, Chaim Weizmann, while speaking before the Anglo-American Committee of Enquiry: “I would not like to do any injustice. The Muslim world has treated the Jews with considerable tolerance. The Ottoman Empire [of which the Arabs were a major part] received the Jews with open arms when they were driven out of Spain and Europe, and the Jews should never forget that.” 

      Israeli Rabbi Menachem Froman, a champion of inter-religious reconciliation: “[E]very Jew who learns the writings of the great sages – who, at the head of them all stands Maimonides – knows that our great thinkers wrote in the Arabic language, lived in Islamic states and participated with the great Muslim thinkers in the effort to explain the words of God, according to the paths of the sages and amidst the difficult bloody battles that we have had since the beginning of Zionism with the Muslims.” (Haaretz, September 18, 2006)

      You state:  “Others came as recently as the late 19th/early 20th for economic opportunities not available to them in Egypt, Lebanon, Syriac Libya and more.”

      Reality:

      It seems like many others, you have been duped by Joan Peters’ long since debunked mountain of mendacity, “From Time Immemorial…”
      To wit:

      Professor Porath, one of Israel’s leading demographic historians, called Peters’ book a “forgery… [that] was almost universally dismissed [in Israel] as sheer rubbish except maybe as a propaganda weapon.”(New York Times, Nov.28, 1985)

      Rabbi Arthur Herzberg, vice-president of the World Jewish Congress, agreed: “I think that she’s cooked the statistics…. The scholarship is phony and tendentious. I do not believe that she has read the Arabic sources that she quotes.”(ibid)

      To again quote Professor Porath: “The precise demographic history of modern Palestine cannot be summed up briefly, but its main features are clear enough and they are very different from the fanciful description Mrs. Peters gives…. [S]he has apparently searched through documents for any statement to the effect that Arabs entered Palestine. But even if we put together all the cases she cites, one cannot escape the conclusion that most of the growth of the Palestinian Arab community resulted from a process of natural increase.”
      (“Mrs. Peters’ Palestine” New York Review of Books, 16 January 1986.)

      Enough said.

      • DaBakr
        October 14, 2017, 4:17 pm

        @mlo

        I have no specific issue with yourvcaliph Omar other then overly generous emphasis on how kindly he was. He was not brutal, was wise and knew how to compromise(sometimes) I can live with that history for the most part. Kind of like zionists claiming we were always kind and respectful as possible. The most moral army……A little too much there and w Omar I would say.

        Also aware of Kurd Saladin and his neutral attitude towards Jews.. Sometimes bordering on benevolent. We can still see evidence of this history by the closeness felt between Kurds and Jews.

      • RoHa
        October 14, 2017, 7:35 pm

        “After he cleared the location of the ancient Jewish Temple (used as a garbage dump under Christian rule), ”

        After he cleared the location of the Temple of Jupiter (used as a garbage dump under Christian rule), …

    • John O
      October 14, 2017, 12:31 pm

      As my late Irish mother would say, “Jaysus! That’s a fierce lot of bollocks for three small paragraphs.”

    • John O
      October 14, 2017, 12:49 pm

      @DaBakr

      Anglo Saxons – try Norman French. You appear to be confusing that with the general settlement of what is now England by the Angles, Saxons and Jutes, were supposed to have pushed the Celtic tribes of Britain westwards to Wales and Cornwall. Modern scholarship has, in any event, cast doubt on this traditional narrative, suggesting that proto-English tribes may have been well established in the east of the country during the Roman empire period.

      Your ignorance of the history of a country you appear know little about is bad enough but then you write this: “But nobody said the Irish ever made sense. They are lovable, hardy, stubborn but not always realistic or perceptive.”

      That is racist, pure and simple. I suspect your post made it through moderation on the basis that you were disgracing yourself and deserved to be exposed.

      Finally, here is one reason why Irish citizens (including me) identify more with the indigenous people of Palestine than with the “Jews of Judea”: the Irish wanted self-determination and not to be ruled by another nation. Just like the Palestinians.

      • DaBakr
        October 14, 2017, 4:34 pm

        @jo

        I know exactly what I wrote. You can have a small inkling of what most Israelis hear or read about themselves every day(oh, that is if they support their right to self determination and sovereignty in their land which you don’t believe is ours anyway.) Didn’t like the British trying to define who and what you were I take it? Been there. And don’t like Irish stereotypes? Done that. So surprising. You never read racist hateful stereotypes on MW-the most moral commentary regulars in the world.

        And jo… Norman French? Are you trying to say the Nordic tribes have little or nothing to do with the island of Ireland and its people?

        Also, don’t know if it’s funny, outrageous neither or both but to hear the (probably) Irish commenters here scold about ignorance of Irish history while asst the same time trying to cram some cockeyed version of my people’s history down our throats as if YOU know our history better then we do. So maybe next time you might want to think about why I write what I do. Or,. Just keep assuming I’m an evil Zionist idiot with no notion of Irish people or Ireland if that floats your boat. And you can continue to try and define my own people’s history and land as much as you like but stop whining about “racist” comments you baby. If you think what I said about the Irish is horrible I guess you’ve never been to an Irish pub and heard what the Irish say about themselves!

      • Citizen
        October 14, 2017, 5:46 pm

        @ John O

        Ditto here.

      • amigo
        October 15, 2017, 9:50 am

        “I guess you’ve never been to an Irish pub and heard what the Irish say about themselves!”duhbakr

        You should hear what they say about themselves in shops/theater/sports fixtures/church/Mc Donalds et al places of gathering.

        Does it have to be in a Pub.

        More of your racism.You just can,t open your mouth without making racist comments.

      • Mooser
        October 15, 2017, 1:03 pm

        “I guess you’ve never been to an Irish pub and heard what the Irish say about themselves!” “duhbakr”

        See what I mean? That one wasn’t good for anybody.

    • amigo
      October 14, 2017, 3:37 pm

      “The Irish can relate much to the disposed Jews of Judea, brutalized and chased by Romans and later forced to convert or flee from colonialist Arab Muslims who took over the Jewish native of Judea and Samaria.” duhbakr

      Well we would , if we made no sense .

      However , the only Irish people who relate to the zionist colonosers and land thieves are the descendants of the circa 50,000 Presbeterians who invaded Ireland , circa 1609 ,with the help of the British GOV of the day led by James the first.

      Their desendants are todays Loyalist community in Northern Ireland whose bellicose Leader , one , Ian Paisley stated that Northern Ireland was A Protestant Country for a Protestant People (sound familiar).In any event that wet dream ended in a somewhat less satisfying climax for Mr Paisley and his colonialist brotherhood.

      The rest of Ireland , includes the nationalist population of the North and the vast majority of the population of the Republic ( 98 %) side with the Palestinians based on the shared experience of being abused , oppressed and colonised.

      You know sfa about sfa dubakr and it is Zionists who make no sense to the point of being collectively insane.

      Mind your manners and your racist comments doughboy.

      • Annie Robbins
        October 14, 2017, 4:03 pm

        that wet dream ended in a somewhat less satisfying climax for Mr Paisley

        !!!!!

      • DaBakr
        October 14, 2017, 4:40 pm

        @a

        Yeah, I figured you see things this way. But, the argument can easily be turned on it’s head. The English/Scot colonizers came hundreds of years ago to displace the Irish like the Arab conquerors came to replace Judaism and Christian with Islam. They both stayed hundreds of years and by virtue of this claim that they have as much right to the land as you. Irish naturally want to fight to keep the South Irish and retain or reclaim as much of the North as possible Zionist=IRA imho. It’s all about perspective my’friend’.

      • John O
        October 15, 2017, 8:49 am

        @DaBakr

        “Irish naturally want to fight to keep the South Irish and retain or reclaim as much of the North as possible Zionist=IRA imho.”

        As part of the peace process, the Republic held a referendum on 22 May 1998 to amend its constitution by removing the territorial claim on Northern Ireland. The vote was over 94% in favour of its removal.

    • Marnie
      October 15, 2017, 9:45 am

      What’s really ‘strange’ DaBakr is how offended you are by anyone’s solidarity with palestinians and not israeli jews.

      Labeling “a knee jerk reaction” is a zionist’s way of minimizing the comraderie and support for palestinian people by the Irish you apparently find so damn annoying. Hey, it’s a bitch being on the wrong side of history but that’s something you can easily come to grips with and you must be trying because you’re here 24/7. I would say that many many Irish have a long held and unshakeable affiliation for oppressed people and let’s be perfectly clear, that isn’t israeli jews, but the palestinians they subjugate, torture and kill. “They are lovable, hardy, support….blah, blah, blah..”. How condescendingly colonial of you.

      • John O
        October 15, 2017, 1:25 pm

        Correct, Marnie. The Irish know the difference between coloniser and colonised.

    • Mooser
      October 15, 2017, 1:16 pm

      .” But nobody said the Irish ever made sense. They are lovable, hardy, stubborn but not always realistic or perceptive. Knee jerk reactions.”

      “DaBakr”, please, I ask you, please keep the Comment Policy in mind!

      Remember, “Dabakr”, nobody is allowed to say anything worse about the Jews than we say about them.

  7. JLewisDickerson
    October 14, 2017, 10:10 am

    [National Seal of Freedonia]

    TO: Her Majesty’s Government of the United Kingdom, and Whomever Else It May Concern

    The people of Freedonia and its government view with favour the return of that portion of Ireland now designated as Northern Ireland (and currently considered to be a part of the United Kingdom) to the Republic of Ireland, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this objective, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Catholic communities in Northern Ireland.

    Effective as of October 11, 2017
    By Order of Rufus T. Firefly, President of Freedonia
    Attested to by Mrs. Gloria Teasdale, Special Assistant (for External Affairs) to President Firefly

    P.S. Just because we are a small nation, does not mean we do not know how to play “The Great Game”.

    • Mooser
      October 14, 2017, 2:55 pm

      We’ll make a movie about it, and call it “The Duck Soup that Roared”.

      • oldgeezer
        October 14, 2017, 4:26 pm

        @Mooser

        Wow… a marxist. Shock.

  8. Jackdaw
    October 14, 2017, 12:40 pm

    IRA and PLO are kindred spirits.

    The IRA seems to have singled out Jews during the troubles as easy pickin’s for kidnappers and extortionists.

    ” The 1970s and 80s were decades of severe decline for the community which found it difficult to maintain essential services in the midst of political unrest. The synagogue complex was considered a neutral venue and the community hosted efforts at reconciliation between Protestants and Catholics, particularly in troubled North Belfast. The last Kosher butchers in Belfast and the Levy’s delicatessen and grocery shop, both [of which were] located on the Antrim Road, [have since] closed. The Belfast Jewish Institute was burnt down by vandals in 1981. Leonard Kaitcer was one of three Jews to be killed as a result of the Troubles”

    • Annie Robbins
      October 14, 2017, 3:45 pm

      The IRA seems to have singled out Jews during the troubles as easy pickin’s for kidnappers and extortionists.

      i’m not sure how your quote from belfast jewish community supports that notion jack. http://www.belfastjewishcommunity.org.uk/history/

      assuming everything in the quote is true and the synagogue complex was “considered a neutral venue and the community hosted efforts at reconciliation between Protestants and Catholics” this indicates anyone who did not want any reconciliation to occur might have been one of the “vandals” who later burnt down the belfast jewish institute. but why do you think it was the IRA and not the protestants?
      .
      also, if 3 jews were killed as a result of the troubles (where thousands died), is that why you think this means Jews were “singles out” and “easy pickin’s for kidnappers and extortionists”? the link doesn’t even mention kidnapping or extortion. how does your quote support your allegations?

      • DaBakr
        October 14, 2017, 5:09 pm

        3 Jews and a vandalized synagogue does not make for a very big place in the history of the ‘troubles’. Other then wild crazy theories about the Irish being one of the lost 12 tribes (red hair connection, I think?)this was a conflict that had no place for jewish issues.

      • amigo
        October 14, 2017, 6:05 pm

        Annie , I would not pay too much attention to that link or any part of it..They place the first Jews in NI circa 1870.This is nonsense as Jews were recorded in southern Ireland as early as 1170 with the arrival of “Strongbow” Earl of Pembroke.Ireland had no border in that time so it is unlikely that Jews did not move to NI earliier than 1870 as suggested in the link.

        Trust jackduh to come up with a dud.

        This should be noted!!!.

        “The history of the Jews in Ireland extends back nearly a thousand years. Although the Jewish community has always been small in numbers (not exceeding 5,500 by religion since at least 1891), it is well established and has generally been well-accepted into Irish life. Jews in Ireland have historically enjoyed a relative tolerance that was largely absent elsewhere in Europe.”

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Ireland

        “Jews were certainly living in Ireland long before Oliver Cromwell in 1657 revoked the English Edict of Expulsion. A permanent settlement of Jews was definitely established in the late fifteenth century. Following their expulsion from Portugal in 1497, some of these Sephardic Jews settled on Ireland’s south coast. One of them, William Annyas, was elected mayor of Youghal, County Cork, in 1555. Francis Annyas (Ãnes), was a three-time Mayor of Youghal in 1569, 1576 and 1581.[5] Ireland’s first synagogue was founded in 1660 near Dublin Castle. A plot of land was acquired in 1718[6] as a burial ground, called Ballybough Cemetery, it was the first Jewish cemetery. It is situated in the Fairview district of Dublin, where there was a small Jewish colony.[7]”

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Ireland

    • Mooser
      October 14, 2017, 4:19 pm

      “IRA and PLO are kindred spirits.”

      So we are abandoning the Official Zionist line? As stated by “DaBakr”:

      “The Irish can relate much to the disposed Jews of Judea, brutalized and chased by Romans and later forced to convert or flee from colonialist Arab Muslims who took over the Jewish native of Judea and Samaria.” (Dabakr, above, this thread)

      “Jackdaw”, do remember that the IRA could be labeled ‘Ireland’s Maccabees’

    • John O
      October 14, 2017, 4:20 pm

      @Jackdaw

      Are you and DaBakr in some sort of competition to decide which of you is the most ignorant about Ireland?

      • Mooser
        October 18, 2017, 12:22 pm

        “Are you and DaBakr in some sort of competition to decide which of you is the most ignorant about Ireland?

        Oh well, whaddayou expect from these lace-curtain Zionists?

    • DaBakr
      October 14, 2017, 5:01 pm

      IRA kinship with PLO was mostly situational and stylish. Black sunglasses, berets and revolution we’re all exciting and new for many people’s who felt oppressed. The problem 27th the IRAs affair with Arafat had mostly to do with guns, buying selling and smuggling. The Irish didn’t bother to lecture the palestinians that their true oppressors were their surrounding Arab so-called leaders: Nasser imprisoned them in Gaza and did nothing. A little king was installed in the Palestinian Jordan to tamp down any Palestinian unrest.( Eventually resorting to mass murder on a very large scale by little hashemite occupying king) nobody else I the Arab world treated Palestinian Arabs with respect or kindness but they took all their anger out on Israel. Had the IRA not been occupied with gb and turned to helping oust the tyrannical Arab dictators in Syria Jordan, ksa, qtr, etc…we might be living in a different world. Arafat was a scumbag who stole billions from his people without giving a sht about them yet he remains defied in the PA/plo system. I suspect every Arab child knows by 10 what a fuck up Arafat was which can only be spoken in private not public. So, the Republican army allied with one of the biggest crooks in the Arab world. How much is that wife holding onto for herself?

      Anyway, at least as far as I know the IRA were not totalitarian kleptocrats. They took care of their own and probably, if it was found that a high up in the organization was hoarding billions in Irish peoples money, a hit would surely have been set up.

      Though, I’ve been told here I know nothing about Ireland so I wouldn’t want to presume too much.

    • amigo
      October 14, 2017, 6:17 pm

      Jackduh , why do you lie to the Readers at MW.

      You don,t bother your lazy zioass to provide a link.The link that Annie took the time to provide has no mention of Jews being attacked by The IRA or anyone else.

      Peddle your lies somewhere else buddy.

      • Mooser
        October 15, 2017, 1:24 pm

        “Jackduh , why do you lie to the Readers at MW.”

        “Jackdaw” and “Dabakr” are not lying, they are very truthfully and all too explicitly showing us exactly what little Zionists are made of.

  9. Maghlawatan
    October 14, 2017, 3:35 pm

    This academic paper by Bryonie Reid is about northern ireland and building a settler identity.
    Really interesting considering how makey uppy Israeli identity is.

    http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00750770409555832

  10. HarryLaw
    October 14, 2017, 4:04 pm

    testing

  11. HarryLaw
    October 14, 2017, 4:46 pm

    The similarity between Israel and Ireland until 1999 is significant, the Israeli government ‘claim ‘ sovereignty over the whole Land of Israel, including the West Bank [they call it Judea and Samaria] similarly the Republic of Ireland claimed sovereignty over the whole Island of Ireland and its territorial waters in their 1937 constitution [articles 2 and 3] The Good Friday Agreement [GRA] between the UK and Irish governments [including SinnFein] recognised that the people of Northern Ireland have the right to self determunation when the Republic changed its constitution from a ‘claim’ to an ‘aspiration’, and that there can be no constitututional change in NI without the majority agreeing to it.
    The result of the Irish referendum in 1999 was 94.39 for change to 5.6% no change. This complemented the 1973 border poll in Northern Ireland which was 98.8% to remain part of the UK to 1.2% for a united Ireland. on a 58% turnout [Sinn Fein told their supporters to boycott the poll]. The GFA could not have happened without the Republic and Sinn Fein recognising the people of Northern Ireland have the right to self determination. When a majority in NI vote for a united Ireland negotiations between all parties concerned can take place to bring it about in an amicable way. All perfectly democratic with no need for violence.
    The Israeli government do not recognise that the Palestinians have the right of self determination, therein lies the problem, for any peace agreement the Israelis will need to do as the Irish did when they renounced their claim to the whole Island. I suspect the Israelis will double down and try to either transfer the Palestinians or put them in Bantustans, neither will work of course, unfortunately we will have much more bloodshed. Watch Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness pay tribute to Ian Paisley.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qvUYtOr-Xc

    • HarryLaw
      October 14, 2017, 5:22 pm

      Sorry about the spelling mistakes, no time to proof read, in a rush, on my way out.

  12. HarryLaw
    October 14, 2017, 5:01 pm

    One of the largest democratic deficits in Northern Ireland is the fact that the political parties that govern the Province Labour, Conservative and LibDem will not challenge the local sectarian parties, all 18 seats are up for grabs, if Corbyn’s Labour Party contested those 18 seats Prime Minister T May might not have needed the help of the sectarian DUP to prop up her minority government. On another note, Opinion polls over the years have indicated that at least half the Catholic population do not want a united Ireland.
    A 2011 survey by Northern Ireland Life and Times found that 52% of Northern Irish Catholic respondents favoured union with Great Britain over a united Ireland. This is despite the fact that most Catholics who vote do so for political parties that are Nationalist.
    According to a 2015 opinion poll, 70% expressed a long-term preference of the maintenance of Northern Ireland’s membership of the United Kingdom (either directly ruled or with devolved government), while 14% express a preference for membership of a united Ireland. This discrepancy can be explained by the overwhelming preference among Protestants to remain a part of the UK (93%), while Catholic preferences are spread across a number of solutions to the constitutional question including remaining a part of the UK (47%), a united Ireland (32%), Northern Ireland becoming an independent state (4%), and those who “don’t know” (16%).
    All that is now required is for Jeremy Corbyn to give all the people of Northern Ireland Catholic and Protestant alike the elementary right to vote for the party that aspires to govern them, otherwise 1.8 million people in NI effectively have no vote.

  13. Kaisa of Finland
    October 14, 2017, 5:15 pm

    Just heard this song:

    • Kaisa of Finland
      October 14, 2017, 5:16 pm

      And wanted to combine it with this video..

      • Kaisa of Finland
        October 14, 2017, 5:23 pm

        ..O come, O come, Emmanuel, and free captive Israel..

    • echinococcus
      October 15, 2017, 12:44 am

      Wasn’t aware there was a venerable English translation.
      She’s good.

      • Kaisa of Finland
        October 15, 2017, 5:14 am

        Echi:

        I was just coming here to add that “O Come, O Come, Emmanuel” is a hymn for Advent and Christmas from the beginning of 18th century, originally sung in Latin :)

      • Kaisa of Finland
        October 15, 2017, 5:42 am

        p.s. Echi:

        She is a Finnish singer who used to perform with a heavy metal band before “going solo”:

      • echinococcus
        October 16, 2017, 8:46 pm

        Kaisa,

        OK. Without having heard her earlier style, I think I much prefer the more recent one.

      • Kaisa of Finland
        October 17, 2017, 4:23 pm

        Echi:

        “..I think I much prefer the more recent one..”

        Heh :) ! But it kind of explains the visual style on her video. (Which I did not find that succesfull, when thinking about the song..)

  14. Ossinev
    October 14, 2017, 5:35 pm

    @DaBakr
    “They are lovable, hardy, stubborn but not always realistic or perceptive”

    Wow he/she has the hots for cuddly adorable Untermenschen !! Where will it all end ?

    BTW given your awareness levels which are of course very very low you are probably not aware that have just spewed up the classic “Thick Mick ” trope.

  15. Greta
    October 15, 2017, 5:38 am

    Thanks Steven for this great article about coming to Ireland. I was so delighted to be in Dublin when you were speaking. Your powerful speech kept the room mesmerized. I don’t think any of us moved for the entire time you spoke.

    As far as Ireland is concerned, the Irish were among the first people to join us on that first trip to Gaza. They helped fund our cargo ship, The Rachel Corrie, and spent hours of their time in Dundalk in 2010 when we were there getting the ship ready to leave. The Irish know what it’s like to be occupied. Since 2006 when Mary, Paul and I started the Free Gaza movement, the Irish have been ‘on board.’ We could not have successfully sailed into Gaza five times without them.

    Greta Berlin

  16. amigo
    October 15, 2017, 11:25 am

    “Arresting a decades-long decline, the Jewish population in Ireland rose by nearly 30 percent between 2011 and 2016, the Irish Times reported Friday.

    According to the 2016 Irish census, there are now 2,557 Jews in Ireland, a 28.9 percent increase from 2011, when the last census was taken. Over half of all Jews in Ireland (1,539) live in the capital, Dublin.

    read more: https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/news/1.817066

    Not one of these immigrants are asked what their religion is.Unlike Israel who only gives citizenship to “Jews”.Yup , Ireland is a den of Jew haters.

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