‘American Jews are losing it bigtime’ — Netanyahu gov’t official slams ’80 percent’ assimilation rate

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A leading diplomat in the Israeli government says that “American Jews are losing it bigtime” and threatening the existence of world Jewry, given their “80 percent” assimilation rate and growing indifference to Israel.

Tzipi Hotovely, deputy minister of foreign affairs under Benjamin Netanyahu, said on Sunday in Washington:

I think for me the only way to make sure that Jews care or have meaning is by having strong Israel and strong Jewish identity. I think unfortunately American Jews are losing it bigtime. I see the numbers, I’m in the Foreign Ministry– 80 percent of American Jews assimilate. This is something we all should be concerned in. Without Jewish identity and without connection to Israel, this amazing Jewry will be lost. I really think this is the tragedy of the Jewish world.

Hotovely spoke at the annual conference of the Israeli American Council, a lobby group to the right wing of AIPAC, which is made up largely of Israeli-Americans and is subsidized by Sheldon and Miriam Adelson.

Hotovely said that American Jews are too critical of Israel. She said the Israeli-Americans in the room know how important it is “that Israel should be strong.”

Unfortunately people from the young generation take Israel for granted, they take Israel as something you can criticize…. It’s one thing to criticize policy, it’s a whole different thing to criticize the only democratic state that there is in the middle east.

Hotovely is a divisive figure, whose appearance at Princeton’s Hillel last night was cancelled because of her rightwing views. She was, instead, to speak last night at the Chabad House, in a symptom of the growing partisan divide over Israel inside the United States.

Someone needs to send Hotovely back to charm school– in her very opening remarks in Washington, at 8:30 am, she was critical of American life:

I must ask you something. Why do you live in America if you wake up early on Sundays? I don’t get it.

Her appearance at the convention center was remarkable for an argument she had over access to prayer at the western wall in occupied Jerusalem with another member of Knesset, Merav Michaeli, who represents the traditional Labor bloc in the Israeli parliament, now called Zionist camp.

Merav Michaeli, by Ron Kedmi.

Michaeli expressed respect for American Jews’ customs. She said that the majority of American Jews are Reform “and choose to exercise their belief in an egalitarian way.” But they are being “excluded and deprived from the western wall.”  Michaeli said that Israel cannot be the “national state of the Jewish people” if it discriminates against American Jews.

Hotovely, who is an observant Orthodox Jew, responded that her party, Likud, represents secular Israelis, and “the secular people in Israel are not interested in the Reform movement…. This is the truth. The secular people don’t need the Reform movement in order to do whatever they feel like in a secular country like Israel.”

When Michaeli protested that Reform men and women cannot pray together at the western wall, called the Kotel in Hebrew, Hotovely said, “Oh come on. When’s the last time you went to the Kotel, can you possibly tell me?”

Hotovely said that the Israeli left is using the Kotel to hurt the Netanyahu government with American Jews, on an issue that is “totally irrelevant to the secular people of Israel,” who don’t go to the western wall.

“Seriously you never go to the Kotel, you are using it as a political tool,” Hotovely challenged Michaeli. She said that she prays at the Kotel a few times a years, before major holidays. “Do you do this? Do you come any time to the Kotel? Do you even care about the Kotel?” she said to Michaeli.

Michaeli said that Hotovely and her boss, Benjamin Netanyahu, are purposely provoking secular Jews over the issue of what it means to be Jewish.

“What she is telling you is that I am less good of a Jew because I pray less in the Kotel than she does. I do not agree,” Michaeli said. “This is not only a religious issue, it is also a national issue, and that is why the kotel matters.”

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  1. eljay
    November 7, 2017, 12:43 pm

    As a member of the Israeli government, Ms. Hotovely should care about Jewish and non-Jewish Israelis (incl. refugees). But because Ms. Hotovely is first and foremost a Jewish supremacist (Zionist), she cares more about non-Israeli Jews than she does about non-Jewish Israelis (incl. refugees).

  2. Paranam Kid
    November 7, 2017, 1:16 pm

    Hotovely’s remarks show that not the American Jews are losing it by the extreme right in Israel is losing it. Moreover, Hotovely’s attitude, so typical of the arrogant, steamrolling extreme right in Israel, is actively contributing to that losing-it process.

    The decline & rot have started, and that is what will bring down the racist system that lacks legitimacy. As long as Israel refuses to be a country for all its citizens with equal rights the rot will continue.

    • Misterioso
      November 8, 2017, 10:29 am

      @Panama Kid

      Bingo!!

    • pabelmont
      November 8, 2017, 12:59 pm

      In other words, so to speak, “Long Live All The Ms Hotevelys of Israel” — they are the “contradiction” (is this a Marxist idea?) that will bring Israel down.

  3. yonah fredman
    November 7, 2017, 3:55 pm

    Assimilation, one of the credos of this blog, is antithetical to Hovotely’s statement. Her cause is the continuity of the Jewish people, a cause that is treated with disdain by this blog.

    The challenge is the clash between the idea of continuity of the Jewish people and American ideals. This blog is devoted to the clash between American ideals, including fairness and democracy, with the current state of Zionism and with the very idea of Zionism. This blog also shares with us thoughts of apathy (if not occasional antipathy) towards those words: “continuity of the Jewish people”. Is positive attention towards the words “continuity of the Jewish people” a clash with Americanism? (Probably not, but possibly, certainly a matter of perception towards definitions of Americanism and continuity and Jewish people.)

    • Mooser
      November 7, 2017, 4:31 pm

      “Assimilation, one of the credos of this blog…”

      You are right, “Yonah”. I have had it with assimilation and wish to become once again a pure, natural ‘un-assimilated’ Jew. And I don’t believe the “About” page, either!

      Can you tell me what an ‘un-assimilated’ (not a religious Jew- we know plenty of religious, assimilated Jews in the US, there’s no conflict) Jew looks like, acts like? You must know.
      What is the ‘un-assimilated’ Jews relationship with his neighbors and US law?
      Or is ‘un-assimilated’ really come down to dressing out of the costume-and-wig trunk from “Fiddler”?

    • Mooser
      November 7, 2017, 4:56 pm

      “continuity of the Jewish people”.

      And what better way to insure “continuity” than staying stuck in the past, without even having an accurate picture of it?
      And what better way to insure the continuity of the Jewish people than to declare our values are in conflict with “American ideals, including fairness and democracy,”. And make sure to emphasize we are not of the common run of humanity, but a “separate people”.
      Because we can always overpower everybody else by sheer force of numbers if they don’t buy it?

      “Yonah” you aren’t talking about “continuity” as much as contemplating (for what crazy reason I don’t know) what form our cultural and religious suicide should take.

      • Maghlawatan
        November 8, 2017, 4:27 pm

        Continuity. From masada to masada

    • Danaa
      November 7, 2017, 5:30 pm

      yonah, when have you become so reasonable? this is actually not a bad statement:

      This blog is devoted to the clash between American ideals, including fairness and democracy, with the current state of Zionism and with the very idea of Zionism

      Ok, so now i’ll pick at the pieces:

      1. I would probably replace “fairness” with “justice”, meant in the sense of upholding human rights, in a universal sense.

      2. it’s not only the “current’ state of zionism that this blog addresses. As you go on to state, it is indeed the very concept of ethnic nationalism that zionism embodies that is seen as standing in direct opposition to the American “melting pot” ideals.

      3. on that ‘devoted’ part: what you didn’t mention is that a very big part of this blog is dedicated to witnessing and commenting on the plight of the people who are the oppressed ones, even as their oppressors go on and on about “assimilation” and “continuity”. I see several posts every week on those “other” people (I think they are referred to as “Palestinians”). May be you missed those?

      Later you mention the blog’s antipathy towards ‘continuity of the Jewish people”. You may have a point about this though I’d call it more of an indifference than antipathy. Also, it’s a bit of a generalization, as not all who speak up here are antipathetic or even indifferent.

      Still, I do think this could be a point of discussion, this continuity business. It’s not spoken of much, one way or another, except in context of various Israeli efforts to “preserve the Jewish race”.

      I think for many people this ‘continuity” thing should be stated differently for them to take an interest. For example, I wouldn’t mind seeing a discussion about “Jewish ideals” as opposed to “Jewish people” who many times don’t even carry forth the ideals, or at least a big chunk of them.

      This BTW, is where there’ll be a big difference between discussion in America and discussion in israel. because for israelis “Jewish ideals” means quite simply “love for the Jewish people“. If you have an issue with the people, even those like Hotolevi, then you are guilty of loving enough”. In America, OTOH, such a discussion would take on a more abstract tone, probably veering off to a discussion about “Jewish values” something that Israelis have not much use for ( they prefer something more concrete, like “love”).

      Of course, the real problem I see is that all such discussions are quite immaterial in so far as the current sad state of the Palestinians is concerned, both in israel proper and in the occupied territories. Jews arguing with other Jews about ‘continuity”, “values” and “ideals’ must smack of theological disputes even as the Plaestinians’ ship is being taken down, board by board, continuity, ideals or values notwithstanding.

      • yonah fredman
        November 8, 2017, 7:36 pm

        Danaa, I use fairness rather than justice intentionally, for to me the connotation of justice is rectifying older ills, whereas fairness is not attached to historical wrongs and i think america is about fairness rather than justice. when i was a kid in america we used to watch superman on tv and it spoke of truth, justice and the american way and so i tend away from using the word justice on the grounds of associating the word with fiction and propaganda, whereas fairness is much more kindergarten. let’s be fair. what would be fair.

        The idealization of the past is one of the pastimes of older people, and the word “continuity” reminds me of the phrase, they don’t make nostalgia like they used to.

        i offered the word “continuity” for each to interpret as they will. even though i used the word assimilation in my lead sentence, i am not riffing on the word assimilation.

        my experience has been primarily with americans who have turned themselves into israelis, modern orthodox who have turned themselves into ultra orthodox, but well aware and surrounded by the secularizing influences of modern american society. modernity and keeping shabbos and kosher in ostensible belief in the divinity of the torah is a contradiction to me and I am surrounded by the current world. does this automatically cure me of the “continuity” imperative. i didn’t birth any future jews but i have hung around with young jews and i enjoy talking about torah and “superman” comics, both topics, weaving the two inside and out and that’s how intertwined it is for me, but though i favor intertwining of the cultures, everyone’s mixture is different and that’s how a blue dyed water dropped into a swimming pool will interact with the undyed water and we watch it as it dissipates and disappears and there is something natural about that, but we are humans, not molecules of blue dyed water and so i react to the passage of time and the varying mixtures of the cultures.

        i do not view the recent history of the jewish people as a happy story. taking events from 1881 til today, i think it’s a lachrymose story. i try not to communicate that feeling to the youngsters, born jews younger than me onto this planet. (Youngsters are less bitter than me and they can attribute my attitudes towards recent jewish history as part of my general bitterness and categorize it and ignore it.)

        If I had to locate the three poles of most of those younger jews, i’d label them: zionism, torah and modernity.

      • Mooser
        November 10, 2017, 10:46 am

        .“i do not view the recent history of the jewish people as a happy story. taking events from 1881 til today, i think it’s a lachrymose story

        Yup, nothing but tragedy, and in America, a “silent Holocaust”.

        ” i try not to communicate that feeling to the youngsters, born jews younger than me onto this planet”

        Would you like some of these nice “No trauma ‘long us, boss!” bumperstickers, and “Jews sui generis” lapel-buttons?

        Show ’em where you stand, “yonah”. The lies will set us free!

      • Mooser
        November 10, 2017, 11:00 am

        “(Youngsters are less bitter than me and they can attribute my attitudes towards recent jewish history as part of my general bitterness and categorize it and ignore it.)”

        “yonah fredman” confronts a young Jewish person who wants the truth.

      • RoHa
        November 11, 2017, 8:32 pm

        But, Yonah, you want the young people to remain Jews, and thus at risk from the anti-Semitism you believe in.

      • Mooser
        November 12, 2017, 11:54 am

        ” you want the young people to remain Jews”

        Oh, come on, “RoHa”. When pressed to explain, “yonah” always says the defining characteristic of Jewishness is Zionism.
        He doesn’t give a hang about the rest of it, he’s got family in Jerusalem, and they need their remittances.

    • Emory Riddle
      November 7, 2017, 5:42 pm

      “…the idea of continuity of the Jewish people..”

      Replace Jewish with white and you have David Duke and Richard Spencer.

      Does anyone deny this?

      Let’s see what the mainstream media says about them. How’s about wikipedia?

      “Richard Bertrand Spencer (born May 11, 1978) is an American white supremacist.”

      “David Ernest Duke (born July 1, 1950) is an American white supremacist and white nationalist, politician, antisemitic conspiracy theorist, Holocaust denier,”

    • eljay
      November 7, 2017, 6:54 pm

      || yonah fredman @ November 7, 2017, 3:55 pm ||

      As long as there are people who choose to be/come Jewish, Jewish people will continue to exist. Contrary to the assertion of Jewish supremacists (Zionists), the choice to be/come Jewish neither requires nor comprises a right to a religion-supremacist “Jewish State”.

    • RoHa
      November 8, 2017, 1:20 am

      Yonah, I know you are terribly keen on the continuity of the Jewish people, though you have never been able to explain why.

      But, for me, the most puzzling thing is that you seem to accept, in large part, the lachrymose view of Jewish history, and yet want more people to be caught up in the same situation.

      • Mooser
        November 8, 2017, 11:54 am

        “Yonah, I know you are terribly keen on the continuity of the Jewish people, though you have never been able to explain why.”

        I see nobody standing in the way of Jewish continuity, except Jews.

      • RoHa
        November 8, 2017, 7:38 pm

        Mooser, I looked at the “Ask a Rabbi” article, and, from the comments, it seems that standing in the way of Jewish continuity is a bunch of blonde shiksas with big tits. Apparently poor Jewish boys cannot get past them.

        And so the most horrible thing happens. People fall in love, get married, have children, and try to live happy lives. The rabbis have to struggle to prevent this disaster.

      • Mooser
        November 9, 2017, 6:19 pm

        ” Apparently poor Jewish boys cannot get past them.”

        Zol ich azoy vissen fun tsores! I’ve never seen a line of buxom bathing beauties barring the synagogue doors, at any rate.

    • Marnie
      November 8, 2017, 2:48 am

      “Assimilation, one of the credos of this blog, is antithetical to Hovotely’s statement. Her cause is the continuity of the Jewish people, a cause that is treated with disdain by this blog”.

      The jewish faith isn’t being practiced anyway Yonah; zionism is the religion of the so-called state of israel and if that dies, hakol b’seder.

    • druid
      November 8, 2017, 11:49 am

      Then y’all should’ve moved to Madagascar where you coul;d have kept your identity and not assimilated!

    • pabelmont
      November 8, 2017, 1:20 pm

      YF: Assimilation may mark a discontinuity in Jewish life, true, but what about that other immense discontinuity in Jewish life, replacing the Judaisms of old (of whatever stream) with love of Zion, a strictly “golden calf” sort of religion seemingly forbidden by pre-1948 Judaism. And what about the free-wheeling wiping out of Yiddish culture (the dominant aspect of Jewish life for many Jews) by Israel’s totalitarian insistence on Hebrew? Are not these also discontinuities in Jewish life? Do they too not contradict “the continuity of the Jewish people” which YF or Hotovely seem to deplore?

      Just as all life forms mutate over time, some faster than others, Jewish-people-life has mutated — within Israel and among its supporters elsewhere — much as various previously innocuous microorganisms have mutated recently (mostly because of the overuse of and misuse of antibiotic medicines) into real killers. Yes, there is today a deadly strain of Jewish-people-life, and it threatens not only Palestinians and other neighbors of Israel but also Jewish life outside Israel.

      • Maghlawatan
        November 8, 2017, 4:31 pm

        Dumping Hillel for Machiavelli. Dropping justice for fuck you. Dropping memory for the tabula rasa of Hebrew. Sabras are probably the least Jewish Jews.

      • Mooser
        November 8, 2017, 7:26 pm

        Not to mention ignoring simple arithmetic. What is the minimum number of Jews required to be “a people”?

      • yonah fredman
        November 8, 2017, 8:13 pm

        pabelmont- i agree, but what continuity do you bring to the table? do you speak yiddish? is it due to the zionists that you don’t speak yiddish?

      • Mooser
        November 9, 2017, 6:22 pm

        “, but what continuity do you bring to the table?”

        “yonah” life is not an ethnic costume-drama.
        BTW How’s your continuity going, “yonah”? All your children are observant and aware of their obligations?

  4. Mooser
    November 7, 2017, 3:58 pm

    “What she is telling you is that I am less good of a Jew because I pray less in the Kotel than she does. I do not agree,” Michaeli said. “This is not only a religious issue, it is also a national issue, and that is why the kotel matters.”

    Look, if we are going to fight over which Jews and genders can pray there, we might as well give it back. Right Ms. Micheali?

  5. Keith
    November 7, 2017, 5:37 pm

    TZIPI HOTOVELY- ” I see the numbers, I’m in the Foreign Ministry– 80 percent of American Jews assimilate.”

    It isn’t clear how Hotovely defines assimilation. Is Alan Dershowitz assimilated? Is Larry Ellison assimilated? What does she mean that 80 percent of American Jews assimilate? Is she referring to marriage to a non-Jew? And does her definition of “Jew” follow lineage? As one of the Zionists suggested recently, perhaps a high rate of intermarriage results in a form of matrimonial proselytization? You haven’t lost a Jew, you have gained a Jew-in-law! I suspect that much of this concern for the “Jewish people” revolves around historical Jewish/Judaic ideology in regards to who and what non-Jews are, and the relationship of Jews to non-Jews and to each other. To tribe or not to tribe.

  6. RoHa
    November 7, 2017, 7:29 pm

    ‘“What she is telling you is that I am less good of a Jew because I pray less in the Kotel than she does. I do not agree,” Michaeli said.’

    Nor should she.

    “Less good a Jew” is the correct form.

  7. lonely rico
    November 7, 2017, 8:05 pm

    > Tzipi

    I think for me the only way to make sure that Jews have meaning is by having strong Israel.

    have meaning?
    strong Israel ?

    To daily
    terrorize, maim, & murder –
    Palestinian children, women, and men

  8. Citizen
    November 7, 2017, 10:57 pm

    The Evolved Brotherhood: Zionism White Nationalism Israel & The Western Far Right: http://antonyloewenstein.com/2017/03/31/growing-ties-between-israel-and-the-global-far-right/

  9. mcohen..
    November 8, 2017, 4:59 am

    you know phil we probably will never meet but i have been reading your articles on and off for 7 years and i have to ask.do you really believe in the stuff you write about.is assimilation worth more than 3 words.does it really matter.
    fact is judaism is fast reaching a point where every person is free to choose.there is no social pressure.no stigma.no forced dogma.
    let it go

    • Mooser
      November 8, 2017, 12:03 pm

      ” judaism is fast reaching a point where every person is free to choose.there is no social pressure.no stigma.no forced dogma.”

      And no Zionism!

  10. Citizen
    November 8, 2017, 5:20 am

    Ask a Rabbi, or 2 or 3 or 4, etc: What Is The Biggest Threat Facing The Jewish People Today? http://forward.com/opinion/385223/rabbi-roundtable-biggest-threat-jewish-people/
    Or you can ask Mooser, who I think will give you the most honest and accurate answer.

    • Mooser
      November 10, 2017, 10:54 am

      “Or you can ask Mooser, who I think will give you the most honest and accurate answer.”

      I defer to “RoHa”. (7:38pm, above) He ‘asked a Rabbi’ and got the inside dope.

      • Citizen
        November 12, 2017, 4:00 pm

        Is lesser more, or more-more? How about one who hates gilfilte fish and Manoshevitz?

  11. StanleyHeller
    November 8, 2017, 9:12 am

    Hotovely says, “I think for me the only way to make sure that Jews care or have meaning is by having strong Israel and strong Jewish identity”. For 3,000 years what was important for Jews was their worship of God, obedience to a moral code, etc. Now its back to idol worship, reverence for the gang and its turf and nothing else.

    • Mooser
      November 8, 2017, 12:23 pm

      ” Now its back to idol worship, reverence for the gang and its turf and nothing else..”

      Yes, that way we’re never alone, we’re never disconnected, we’re home with our own, and when company’s expected, we’re well protected!

  12. Misterioso
    November 8, 2017, 10:03 am

    The Zionists are running scared. They’re reading the writing on the wall. We have the momentum.

  13. Ossinev
    November 8, 2017, 10:03 am

    @McCohen
    “you know phil we probably will never meet but i have been reading your articles on and off for 7 years and i have to ask.do you really believe in the stuff you write about.is assimilation worth more than 3 words.does it really matter.
    fact is judaism is fast reaching a point where every person is free to choose.there is no social pressure.no stigma.no forced dogma.
    let it go”

    Shouldn`t you be addressing this to Ms Hotovely ? Phil is simply reporting what SHE , one of the rising “stars” in Zioland , is not ready to “let go”.

    If you are on Twitter why not tweet to her something like “fact is judaism is fast reaching a point where every person is free to choose.there is no social pressure.no stigma.no forced dogma.
    let it go Tzipi”

    • Mooser
      November 8, 2017, 12:14 pm

      “you know phil we…”

      Have you noticed how every one of the Ziobots takes ownership of Mondoweiss? It’d be a whole lot different if this place was called Mondosmith. Oh well, that’s peoplehood.

    • mcohen..
      November 8, 2017, 3:06 pm

      ossinev says ….”this to miss hotovely”

      no….. jews in israel pay in blood for there belief.who am i to judge them.those jews that assimilate i encourage to let judaism go.
      3 words ….let it go.
      but don’t try and justify leaving judaism due to the i/p conflict.because sooner or later a solution will be found and people will move on as history has shown and judaism will still be practiced.
      many rabbi’s complain that jews in the usa are assimilating and leaving judaism.they say it is a disaster.i disagree.thousands of jewish names and family lines will be erased.only the faithful will remain.the true believers.
      lift the torah scroll up high and a flame will burn.and the letter shin will be seen in the flames.

      • eljay
        November 8, 2017, 3:43 pm

        || mcohen.. : … those jews that assimilate i encourage to let judaism go. … ||

        If they are religious, there’s no reason for them to abandon their faith simply because they have assimilated culturally.

        If they aren’t religious – if they are of the Jewish tribe, culture, ethnicity, people, nation and/or civilization – they have no faith to abandon.

      • Mooser
        November 8, 2017, 3:52 pm

        “only the faithful will remain.the true believers”

        Oh, you bet, “mcohen”. It shouldn’t take more then two or three million fervent Jewish people, and dwindling, to keep Israel going and the IDF strong..

        “and the letter shin will be seen in the flames.”

        And the flaming shin moves past, revealing a perfect calf!

      • Mooser
        November 8, 2017, 4:32 pm

        “many rabbi’s complain that jews in the usa are assimilating and leaving judaism.they say it is a disaster.i disagree.thousands of jewish names and family lines will be erased.”

        “mcohen”, we get it. Only Hitler could be happier about.”thousands of jewish names and family lines will be erased.”

        (Besides, you are only saying this because you understand the inexorable law of Darwinian survival: ‘The fewer Jews there are, the more valuable, and therefore likely to reproduce, each one becomes!)

  14. mcohen..
    November 8, 2017, 4:16 pm

    eljay….perhaps i should make myself clearer.as defined

    assimilation

    əsɪmɪˈleɪʃ(ə)n/

    noun

    1.

    the process of taking in and fully understanding information or ideas.

    1.i believe it is a mistake to abandon judaism due to the i/p conflict.
    2.taking on new ideas,converting to judaism or another relegion is a learning process and leads to personal growth

    but those jews who abandon judaism because of what is going on in israel are making a grave mistake.those who encourage jews to abandon judaism due to the i/p conflict,especially jews, are making a grave mistake

    • eljay
      November 8, 2017, 5:23 pm

      || mcohen.. : eljay….perhaps i should make myself clearer. … those jews who abandon judaism because of what is going on in israel are making a grave mistake.those who encourage jews to abandon judaism due to the i/p conflict,especially jews, are making a grave mistake ||

      I agree: Non-Zionist Jews should be salvaging – and encouraging Zionist Jews to salvage – Judaism from the nightmare wreckage that is Zionism.

  15. James Canning
    November 8, 2017, 5:48 pm

    I think high rates of intermarriage between Jews and non-Jews in the US is actually in Israel’s own true best interests.

    • mcohen..
      November 8, 2017, 9:43 pm

      james

      your statement tells me you fully fail to understand relegious jews of the chabad variety.they see there fellow jews who marry out as breaking a fundimental law of orthodox judaism as i define it and a lost cause.they can only redeem themselves with walmart coupons
      the threat that Netanyahu refers to is the problem of losing american support due to american jews being indifferent to israels security threats.

      • Mooser
        November 9, 2017, 6:27 pm

        ” is the problem of losing american support due to american jews being indifferent to israels security threats.”

        “mcohen”, you are saying that Zionism has failed in its primary aim. Far from being a refuge for possibly persecuted Jews, it has become more insecure than most of the other places in the world Jews live. So why go on supporting it, a permanent money sicker, a drag on our credibility, an embarrassment, and unwilling to take any advice?

  16. Citizen
    November 9, 2017, 8:13 am

    Maybe there’s a useful analogy with what USA is undergoing as a whole and Jews are undergoing as a sub-group of USA (less than 2% of US population)? Who’s a real Jew, with Jewish interest most at heart, and, Who is a real American, with American interest most at heart? Consider that, especially since the 1965 Immigration Act, the value of US culture, assimilation, of “melting pot” has morphed to “pot of stew,” to “salad.” Diversity is now favored if you go by what US government officials and their legislation and rules say. Will Israel someday witness the tearing down of Early Zionist leader statues across the country, as we are witnessing now in USA re Confederate leader statues? And so on… United We Don’t Stand?

    • Mooser
      November 9, 2017, 7:09 pm

      “Consider that, especially since the 1965 Immigration Act, the value of US culture, assimilation, of “melting pot” has morphed to “pot of stew,” to “salad.” Diversity is now favored if you go by what US government officials and their legislation and rules say”

      From the Wiki sumary:

      “Specifically, the Hart–Celler Act allowed increased numbers of people to migrate to the United States from Latin America, Asia, Africa, and the Middle East.”

      • Citizen
        November 12, 2017, 4:05 pm

        Mooser, you left out another novel aspect of the 1965 Immigration Act: chain migration and anchor babies. Why?

  17. Citizen
    November 9, 2017, 8:26 am

    How is this bad for America, or the Jews, or the Shiksa Mom, or…the Chinese, Asians? Trump shows Xi and Peng video clips of his granddaughter Arabella Kushne… https://youtu.be/uzM7XoVVGQc via @YouTube

  18. jackal
    November 13, 2017, 1:32 am

    We, I, Canadians, in general, hear a lot about the dumbing down of Americans, a lot having to do with your educational system or lack of education. Perhaps this applies to just a minority, as we know you also have some great higher-level college and universities. But, as you know as well as I, that your media is largely responsible for this “dumbing down,” keeping Americans ignorant or apathetic of what is happening in the Middle East. How many readers of this newsletter or blog? Of JVP letters? Of Jonathan Cook’s amazing insight into what is happening in, around his town and the Westbank? How many, even the American’s who would like to be half-assed involved (Jewish Americans) in what is happening in Palestine/Israel have read any of the books by Cook, Pappe, Sand, G. Smith, Mearsheimer & Walt or watched any of the videos by Weir, Finklestein or Max Blumenthal?
    I sympathize with the Jews in Israel or in the US who are anti-Zionist, but still want to hope that Israel can remain a state, but I empathize with the Palestinians who were driven from their homes, as my family was driven from their homes in the Ukraine after WWI. As an atheist, I have no truck with the religions of either group. As a Canadian, I wholly support those nations who condemned what Israel is doing to the Palestinians. There has to be a better way.

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