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On Monday, the Israeli parliament, Knesset, passed an amendment to the ‘Prevention of Infiltration Act’, aimed at African refugees from mainly Eritrea and Sudan, so that it could continue to coerce African refugees to be deported to a third country, against the threat of indefinite incarceration. The law was promoted after the Supreme Court criticized the state practice of incarcerating refugees for indefinite periods, in attempt to coerce them to leave to a third country. “We’ll have to enact new laws that will enable us … to send the illegal infiltrators out of our country”, said Prime Minister Netanyahu three months ago, on his “mission to give back south Tel Aviv to the Israeli residents” (from the African ‘infiltrators’ who had supposedly taken it over).

What we are seeing here is not really new legislation. The state is simply bent upon deporting the African refugees, and if it can make ‘new legislation’ and enact immediate deportation it might get away with it before in a race against the courts. The state had already declared a week ago, even before the passing of the law, that it will be enacting the deportations within the next few weeks, as Haaretz reported. Netanyahu has also reportedly cut a deal with Rwanda, wherein also refugees deported against their will would be taken by Rwanda. 

The bill passed in second and third readings on a count of 71-41 (out of 120 Knesset members).

Some of the Labor lawmakers, whom were forced to support the bill’s first reading by their leader Avi Gabbay, had apparently made some rebellion in the ranks, and were permitted to vote ‘according to conscience’ in the final readings, as reported in Kan and Israel Hayom (Hebrew).

The law entails a closing of the desert detention facility Holot within three months, and yet, with its closing, the detained refugees will face two ‘options’ – indefinite detention, or deportation to a third African country. In other words, the state is simply continuing its policy.

The law was sponsored by Minister of Interior Arye Deri and Minister of Public Security and Hasbara Gilad Erdan.

Deri said when submitting the bill:

“As I had promised the residents of south Tel Aviv and the rest of the neighborhoods and cities where infiltrators reside, it is in my intention to increase by any possible means the pace of exit to a third country and to not further offer infiltrators the comfort of the Holot staying facility”.

The “comfort” of the Holot detention facility was succinctly described by Deri’s predecessor, Eli Yishai, when he said that its purpose was “to make the lives of its detainees so miserable that they would voluntarily leave the country”.

The blatant disregard for African refugees, who are generally framed as ‘infiltrators’, the policy entailing sending them to torture and death at sea, has been articulated by deputy Defense Minster Eli Ben Dahan, who last year said that

“they don’t need to be extended a helping hand or be pulled out of the sea and saved from drowning.”  

Sadly, this does not seem to be making big headlines in Israel, nor elsewhere for that matter. Liberal Israelis are marching in the streets against governmental corruption involving Netanyahu and others (involving the ‘recommendations bill’ to limit police involvement in corruption cases), but these protests do not even touch the institutionalized corruption of such matters as this one. Israeli Haaretz journalist Gidon Levy wrote last week a scathing critique of these ‘Rothchild protests’, a piece titled “We’re Fed Up With Your Protests”:

“It would also be proper to demonstrate Saturday night against the plan to send tens of thousands of African asylum seekers to their deaths. Against the evil of those who are sending them. In your dreams. We have the recommendations bill to protest.”  

In an earlier amendment vote concerning this law, back in 2014, Erdan said that “the argument here is between two political groups: Between those who see Israel first and foremost as the one and only state of the Jewish people, and the left bloc which to my regret is willing to endanger this” (Mako, Hebrew).

In 2011, the mentioned former Interior Minister Eli Yishai said that the mere presence of the refugees is an “existential threat”, and vowed to defend the “Jewish majority”. “Each and every one of them will return to their countries”, he said

So you see, it really is all about the Jewish State, the Zionist notion which informs each and every detail of Israel’s policy.

“And you are to love those who are foreigners!”,

shouted lawmaker Dov Khenin of the Joint List, four times, at the end of his speech at the plenum on Monday, quoting Deuteronomy 10:19, finally providing the full quote:

“And you are to love those who are foreigners, for you yourselves were foreigners in Egypt”.

Khenin was perhaps petitioning to the ‘Jewish compassion’, but the Orthodox Jewish ministers mentioned – Yishai, Ben Dahan – they voice the most murderous expressions of hate towards these ‘foreigners’. Khenin’s pleas fall on deaf ears. And not many in Israel even want to hear about this anyway.

Today, Gideon Levy, once again on the beat of highly moral matters, shouts as voice in the wilderness:

Israeli Pilots Must Refuse to Fly Expelled Asylum Seekers Toward Their Deaths” (the title of his piece). But he is not optimistic regarding the “best of the bunch at El Al, Arkia and Israir, veterans of the Israel Air Force, the destruction in Gaza and the flattening of Dahieh”. He still wonders whether “any of them stand up and say no, not us, not in this country of refugees?”

But the “Jewish state” doesn’t think of itself a s a country of refugees. It thinks of itself as a country of Jews who have ‘returned’. And the ‘others’? They can go to Rwanda, or drown at sea for all we care…

H/T Ofer Neiman

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  1. Elizabeth Block
    December 15, 2017, 9:22 am

    “NONE IS TOO MANY,” eh?
    For those who don’t recognize the quote, it is what a Canadian cabinet minister said about Jews fleeing Nazi Germany and wanting to come to Canada.

    • gamal
      December 15, 2017, 10:14 am

      “it is what a Canadian cabinet minister said about Jews fleeing Nazi Germany”

      that man didn’t play his Thorogood loud enough it’s actually

      “One is too many, but, a hundred ain’t enough”

      I hope I never run out of Jews, I use them very sparingly, you know make them last.

      Julia Neuberger has got a place round here, by Courtmacsherry I think, and even though we are acquainted she doesn’t drink in the dives I frequent, Rabbis have their limits and women too.

      • Mooser
        December 15, 2017, 12:12 pm

        ” you know make them last.”

        That’s why I’m always waxing roth.

      • gamal
        December 15, 2017, 7:32 pm

        “I’m always waxing roth.”

        hey Mooser, while I will concede the slickness of my roth to no man, you know Andy Irvine and how we fucked up this life…..as i roved out, about how we let everyone down, “false young man”,

        “it’s that I’ll rue till the day I die”, I wish the Queen would call home her armies…..

        https://youtu.be/l06ozEXOSaY

    • Misterioso
      December 15, 2017, 10:30 am

      The Canadian minister was not alone:

      “In 1938, a thirty-one nation conference was held in Evian, France, on resettlement of the victims of Nazism. The World Zionist Organization refused to participate, fearing that resettlement of Jews in other states would reduce the number available for Palestine.” (John Quigley, Palestine and Israel: A Challenge to Justice, as quoted in “The Origin of the Palestine-Israel Conflict,” second edition, published by Jews for Justice in the Middle East, Berkeley, California, p. 21.)

      The Jewish Agency in Palestine was very concerned about the implications of the Evian Conference. “It was summed up in the meeting [of the Jewish Agency’s Executive on June 26, 1938] that the Zionist thing to do ‘is belittle the [Evian] Conference as far as possible and to cause it to decide nothing…. We are particularly worried that it would move Jewish organizations to collect large sums of money for aid to Jewish refugees, and these collections could interfere with our collection efforts’…. Ben-Gurion’s statement at the meeting: ‘No rationalization can turn the conference from a harmful to a useful one. What can and should be done is to limit the damage as far as possible.'” (Boas Evron, Jewish State or Israeli Nation? as quoted in “The Origin of the Palestine-Israel Conflict,” by John Quigley, second edition, p. 21.)

      On 7 December 1938, during a meeting of the Mapai Central Committee (precursor of the Labour Party), David Ben-Gurion revealed his true feelings regarding the plight of German Jews: “If I knew it was possible to save all the [Jewish] children in Germany by transporting them to England, but only half of them by transporting them to Palestine, I would choose the second…” He attempted to explain his twisted reasoning by adding that he would make such a choice “…because we face not only the reckoning of those children, but the historical reckoning of the Jewish people.” Ben-Gurion also expressed his fear that “‘the human conscience’ might bring various countries to open their doors to Jewish refugees from Germany. He saw this as a threat and warned: ‘Zionism is in danger!'” (Tom Segev, The Seventh Million, Hill and Wang, New York, 1994, p. 28.)

      During another speech to the Mapai Central Committee on 7 December 1938, Ben-Gurion admitted that “in these terrible days of the beginning of the disaster that threatens European Jewry, I am still more worried about the elections at the [Mapai] branch in Tel Aviv.” (Segev, p. 105.)

      On 27 November 1942, the Yishuv newspaper Davar published an article that referred to the extermination of European Jews as “‘punishment from heaven’ for not having come to Palestine.” (Tom Segev, p. 98). As Ben-Gurion so callously put it on 8 December 1942, during a Mapai meeting: “‘They did not want to listen to us’ ….in their deaths they had sabotaged the Zionist dream.’” (David Ben-Gurion at a gathering of Mapai workers, 8 Dec. 1942; quoted by Tom Segev)

  2. dimadok
    December 15, 2017, 10:28 am

    Good point for discussion- where is the line that each sovereign state draws, when it comes to illegal refugees/work immigrants/ legal refugees/legal immigrants.
    From the author assumption here, Israel has some moral obligations to accept every single refugee. If it does, should the amount be limited? Of course, if it is limited, then there will be an outcry for Israel sinister attempt to hurt refugees, mainly men between ages of 20 to 40, who are fleeing whatever problems they may have at their home country.
    Unfortunately, it is never enough when it comes to Israel and that is precisely why Israel should and does consider its own interests and its own citizen as the priority, contrary to some selective implementation of the international law.
    If Israel law is illegal, human rights advocates can take it to the court.
    If denied, then it is settled until the next update of the policy.
    Best and happy Hanukah.

    • eljay
      December 15, 2017, 12:16 pm

      || dimadok: … Unfortunately, it is never enough when it comes to Israel … ||

      The rapist keeps women chained in his basement where he routinely brutalizes them, but he recently bought them some clean underwear. You’d think that people would finally stop vilifying him but, unfortunately, it’s never enough when it comes to the rapist. :-(

      Your lamentations would reek less of aggressor-victimhood if Israel weren’t a deliberately and unapologetically oppressive, colonialist, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist state.

      || … and that is precisely why Israel should and does consider its own interests … ||

      Which are Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist “Jewish State” in as much as possible of Palestine.

      • dimadok
        December 15, 2017, 1:43 pm

        I would re-phrase: Israel interests are focused on self-preservation as independent, sovereign state for all of its citizens, enabling Jewish national self-determination, cultural preservation of all inhabitants and protection of Jewish history and education. This is state mandate for Israel. It does not include protection of human rights of refugees or illegal migrants, as any state in the world doesn’t include this in its sovereign declaration.
        If Israel chooses to do so and accept refugees, it will be at the will of its governing body, which they should get the mandate from Israel citizens for that action.
        @Eljay- get over it…

      • Maghlawatan
        December 15, 2017, 3:00 pm

        Israelis have very little culture wor th talking about. Hebraisation means Israeli culture is mostly of recent invention. Before 1882 Jews didn’t hate Arabs as standard.

      • John O
        December 15, 2017, 3:05 pm

        @dimadok

        ” cultural preservation of all inhabitants”

        Bedouin too?

      • eljay
        December 15, 2017, 7:12 pm

        || dimadok: I would re-phrase: Israel interests are focused on self-preservation as independent, sovereign state for all of its citizens, enabling Jewish national self-determination, cultural preservation of all inhabitants and protection of Jewish history and education. … ||

        That’s what I said: Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist “Jewish State” in as much as possible of Palestine. You just used more words to say it.

        || … @Eljay- get over it… ||

        Get over injustice and immorality? No thanks. But I understand why a Zionist like you would ask me to “get over it”.

      • Talkback
        December 15, 2017, 8:20 pm

        dimadok: “Israel interests are focused on self-preservation as independent, sovereign state for all of its citizens, enabling Jewish national self-determination, cultural preservation of all inhabitants and protection of Jewish history and education.”

        Yes, full bore Apartheid. All Israelis are citizens. But some citizens are even more citizens than others and called nationals (aka Jews). Only Israeli nationals have all rights that come with citizenship in other real democracies. And yes, national self determination only for Jews. Cultural preservation of all inhibitants? What a pathological lie. Israel razed more than 400 villages, destroyed more than 1000 mosques in and since 1948 and expelled or revoked citizenship/residency rights of more than 1,25 million Nonjews. And yes, only protection of Jewish history and education while Palestinian history is criminalize. Like I said, full bore Apartheid.

        You just have to be proud, don’t you?

      • dimadok
        December 16, 2017, 11:23 am

        @ Maghlawatan
        I have a small issue with your ad hominem towards Israelis having little culture, but hey, its Hanukkah, so I’ll leave it on moderator’s responsibility.
        I can speak for myself- I have about 200 years of documented history of Jewish heritage and culture, including the history of modern Israel. So I have some baggage, you may say.
        It includes pogroms, revolutions, fight for independence, state antisemitism, street hate of Jews etc.
        It gives me a long perspective on what Israel is about and why it serves as national home for Jews.
        Maybe if you learn more about it, you’ll come to a similar conclusion.
        All the best.

      • dimadok
        December 16, 2017, 11:26 am

        @Talkback.
        You are full of it my friend.
        Show me one Arab country where there are a functioning and living Jewish communities and we can talk about apartheid.
        Meanwhile, 20% of citizens of Israel are non-Jews and enjoy full rights.
        BTW, Jerusalem residents can apply for citizenship also, which they are doing more and more.

      • Talkback
        December 16, 2017, 2:47 pm

        dimadok: “@Talkback.
        You are full of it my friend.
        Show me one Arab country where there are a functioning and living Jewish communities and we can talk about apartheid.”

        Why don’t you show us ANY country besides your beloved Apartheid Junta that has to keep people expelled to maintain the dominance of its self declared fake “nation”? So much for being full of it.

        dimadok: “Meanwhile, 20% of citizens of Israel are non-Jews and enjoy full rights.”

        No, they don’t. Only “nationals” (aka Jews) enjoy full rights which citizens normaly enjoy. Your Aparheid Junta has even perverted the concept of citizenship in a similar way the Nazis did.

        Meanwhile it keeps millions of Nonjews expelled and denationalized who should have been Israelis according to customary law and human rights and as reflected in the partition plan which the Apartheid terrorist allegedly “accepted”.

        dimadok: “BTW, Jerusalem residents can apply for citizenship also, which they are doing more and more.”

        That’s understable since your Apartheid Junta has no problem to revoke their residency rights to persue its Apartheid ethnic cleansing policy. It allready did in 14.000 cases and has ethnically cleansed another quarter of a million since 1967 and the Oslo accords from Gaza and the West Bank.

        dimadok: “It includes pogroms, revolutions, fight for independence, state antisemitism, street hate of Jews etc.
        It gives me a long perspective on what Israel is about and why it serves as national home for Jews.”

        Yes, it’s the change from being a victim to becoming a perpetrator.

      • Talkback
        December 17, 2017, 2:42 am

        Dimadok: “TW, Jerusalem residents can apply for citizenship also …”

        Sure, they “can” apply. As Nonjewish Israelis “can” apply for building permits or that they can apply live in an “only for Jews” community.

        Dimadok: “… , which they are doing more and more.”

        You know, that you “can” keep in touch with reality, don’t you? The numbers are going down, the vast majority declines to apply and the numbers of approvals have gone under 3%.

        “According to statistics obtained by The Times of Israel (PDF), between 2003 and 2013, Israeli citizenship was denied or delayed to about half of East Jerusalemites who applied for it. However, over the past three years, the processing of citizenship applications for East Jerusalemites has come to an almost complete halt. Between 2014 and September 2016, of 4,152 East Jerusalemites who applied for citizenship, only 84 were approved and 161 were rejected. The rest of the applications are pending — formally, still being processed.”
        https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-almost-entirely-halts-citizenship-approvals-for-east-jerusalemites/

        “Over the past decade, 2,641 of the 7,168 applications were approved, for an acceptance rate of 36.8 percent. By contrast, in 2015 the acceptance rate was 2.9 percent.
        http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Sharp-drop-in-granting-of-citizenship-to-Jlem-Arabs-455938

        Yeah, you “can” try to hide the ugly side of your Apartheid Junta. But you won’t succed.

      • Jonathan Ofir
        December 17, 2017, 12:24 pm

        Dimadok, you commented later here that “This is state mandate for Israel. It does not include protection of human rights of refugees or illegal migrants, as any state in the world doesn’t include this in its sovereign declaration.”

        I refer you to my article from a couple of months ago, on this subject:

        “As the Times of Israel rightly noted at the time, “expulsion to a third country is largely unprecedented in the Western world. Italy and Australia signed similar agreements with third-party countries — Italy with Libya, and Australia with Malaysia — but both proposals were shot down by local courts. In both cases, courts ruled the bills inconsistent with international law and the 1951 UN convention on refugees — to which Israel is also a party.”

        http://mondoweiss.net/2017/11/israeli-refugees-infiltrators/

        It doesn’t matter if Israel did or did not specify refugee policy in its “sovereign declaration”. It subsequently (1951) signed the UN convention on refugees, and that’s what matters.

      • Mooser
        December 17, 2017, 1:13 pm

        “I can speak for myself- I have about 200 years of documented history of Jewish heritage and culture”

        I think “Jackdaw” is very modest. That’s only 10% of the experience Mel Brooks claims.

    • dimadok
      December 16, 2017, 11:18 am

      @John O.
      Off course bedouin too, thank you for asking.
      As one who served with them in IDF, ate, slept and fought with ones, I am particularly proud that Israel gave and continues giving Bedouin citizens their rights, contrary to any Arab state where Bedouin live, except Jordan.

      • Talkback
        December 16, 2017, 2:52 pm

        dimadok: “Off course bedouin too, thank you for asking.
        As one who served with them in IDF, ate, slept and fought with ones, I am particularly proud that Israel gave and continues giving Bedouin citizens their rights, contrary to any Arab state where Bedouin live, except Jordan.”

        Oh, which other state than your beloved Apartheid Junta doesn’t recognize their villages and has destroyed them more than 50 times?

        You must be very proud having served as a state terrorist.

      • RoHa
        December 16, 2017, 6:02 pm

        ” destroyed them more than 50 times?”

        Talkback, you are anti-Semitically denying Israeli achievements. Israel has scored over a century, now, and shows no sign of stopping.

      • RoHa
        December 16, 2017, 8:28 pm

        Dammit, double commas! My eyesight is still wonky from the op.

      • Annie Robbins
        December 16, 2017, 11:37 pm

        huh? what double commas? i would have written it like this:

        Israel has scored over a century now and shows no sign of stopping.

      • Mooser
        December 17, 2017, 1:15 pm

        There are Israeli cricket teams?

      • RoHa
        December 17, 2017, 6:48 pm

        Yes, there are Israeli cricket teams. But cricket is a minority interest in Israel, so it has not had any noticeable civiliziing effect.

  3. Talkback
    December 15, 2017, 11:38 am

    Dimadok: “Unfortunately, it is never enough when it comes to Israel and that is precisely why Israel should and does consider its own interests and its own citizen as the priority, contrary to some selective implementation of the international law.”

    ROFL. Which implementation of international law is selective despite the Zionist interpretation?

    • dimadok
      December 15, 2017, 1:48 pm

      http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/08/world/refugee-obligation/index.html
      Quote: “Noticeably absent from the list: the Gulf states of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, Oman and the United Arab Emirates”
      “The treaty defines what refugees are — those who are seeking refuge from persecution. It also gives them a very important right — the right to not be sent back home into harm’s way, except under extreme circumstances.”
      Israel does not send them back to their home country, so the law statue is maintained.

      • oldgeezer
        December 15, 2017, 5:40 pm

        @dimadok

        No the statute is not maintained at all. Article 32 and 33 prohibit expulsion period except in specific circumstances and after both an appeal and opportunity to find a new host country.

        You also misstated refoulement. You can’t send them back to their home country or anywhere their life may be in danger.

        Israel can’t be trusted. And it places no value on non-Jewish life.

        And your claim that Israel is protecting the culture blah blah blah of all it’s citizens is too silly to respond to.

      • dimadok
        December 16, 2017, 11:28 am

        @oldgeezer.
        Please send your remarks to CNN editorial board that has misstated the letter of the article in discussion.

      • oldgeezer
        December 16, 2017, 12:44 pm

        @dimadok

        No, I’ll leave them with you. That is unless you’re a braindead copy/paste monkey who wasn’t putting that post forward as an argument.

        cnn, US news in general, is not a credible source for much of anything.

  4. JLewisDickerson
    December 15, 2017, 4:39 pm

    RE: “We’ll have to enact new laws that will enable us … to send the illegal infiltrators out of our country”, said Prime Minister Netanyahu three months ago, on his “mission to give back south Tel Aviv to the Israeli residents” (from the African ‘infiltrators’ who had supposedly taken it over).”

    HASBARA VERSION: We cannot continue to “PAMPER” these infiltrators by providing them with posh digs like like the Holot gated community. They must be made to accept the “REALITY” that no matter how bad the conditions were back in their country of origin, the government of Israel is determined to see to it that it will be even worse for them in Israel [just as even the mighty U.S. finally had to accept the “REALITY” (despite the illegality) that Jerusalem IS the absolutely indivisible, eternal capital of Israel]. They will then grasp the “REALITY” that, compared to Israel, Rwanda is truly the promised land for “their kind”, because it should be too soon after Rwanda’s last government-sponsored genocide for Paul Kagame to initiate another one. In any event, their stay in Israel will have helped them accept the “REALITY” that there are far worse things than torture, death at sea, etc. . . . like, for instance, being “PAMPERED” by someone supplying them with (as a gift) some of the “finer things”, like Cuban cigars and pink champagne, for instance.

  5. Jack Green
    December 15, 2017, 11:14 pm

    There are 65.3 million refugees. None are Jews because Israel takes in all Jewish refugees.
    Before complaining that Israel doesn’t take in enough gentile refugees, let the majority-Christian & majority-Muslim countries take in Christian & Muslim refugees. Also, let’s remember that 6 million Jews died because majority-Christian & majority-Muslim countries refused to take in Jewish refugees.

    Furthermore, let’s remember why Israel was created. Israel was created to be a majority-Jewish country because majority-gentile countries had failed to provide safety for their Jewish citizens. If Israel takes in too many gentiles, it will no longer be majority-Jewish. Unfortunately, there still is a need for a majority-Jewish country because Jews are still targeted for being Jews.

    • Annie Robbins
      December 15, 2017, 11:28 pm

      let’s remember that 6 million Jews died because majority-Christian & majority-Muslim countries refused to take in Jewish refugees.

      can you source this please?

    • Keith
      December 16, 2017, 12:55 am

      JACK GREEN- “Also, let’s remember that 6 million Jews died because majority-Christian & majority-Muslim countries refused to take in Jewish refugees.”

      Liar, liar, pants on fire! How many times have you posted this BS? Non-Jewish countries took in more refugees than pre-state Zionist Palestine. Furthermore, Zionism was absolutely opposed to refugeeism, concerned with creating a Jewish state not rescuing Jews. You keep posting the same lies.

      • yonah fredman
        December 16, 2017, 10:01 am

        I hope that people who read keith’s words have salt shakers nearby, so they can take it with more than a grain of salt.

        anyone who uses the comparison of the absorptive capacity of the entire globe compared to the absorptive capacity of a fledgling colony is obviously teaching with an agenda in mind rather than truth. between 1881 and 1914 there was an incredible wave of migration from eastern european jewry towards the “west”. after world war I that wave was dammed up, for a variety of reasons. only ignoramuses deny that the immigration policies of the Immigration Act of 1924 had a “racial” element to them. not only against Jews, against Italian immigrants as well, but primarily against the flood of recent arrivals which was racially different than the norwegian farmers in wisconsin. (“i put racial in quotation marks, because it is an ambiguous term, the act referred to national origins rather than race.”)

        we live today in a time of reaction against immigration in america, there is an ebb and flow in attitude, and it has become one of the demarcations between republican america and democratic america. so i don’t think labeling a reaction against immigration is always enlightening, still cognizance of the immigration act of 1924 should be included by people who are interested in something other than propaganda.

      • Keith
        December 16, 2017, 11:46 am

        YONAH FREDMAN- “anyone who uses the comparison of the absorptive capacity of the entire globe compared to the absorptive capacity of a fledgling colony is obviously teaching with an agenda in mind rather than truth”

        Whoa, partner! It isn’t me who justifies Israel as a refuge for persecuted Jews, is it? It isn’t me who claims that had Israel existed in the 1930s that 6 million Jews would have been rescued, is it? And it isn’t me who placed the creation of the Jewish state above the rescue of Jews, is it? If you have bothered to read my previous comments on this you would know that I emphasized that Palestine was incapable of receiving a significant number of refugees and that their only hope was immigration to the Western democracies which the Zionists opposed. But your overwhelming Zionist bias clouds your perceptions. Perhaps you should review my comments on this subject. Go to my profile and search both “Jack Green” and “Tree.” I leave you with a brief quote which indicates just how concerned the Zionists were about rescuing Jews, viewing the Holocaust as an asset to the creation of a Jewish state.

        “When they come to us with two plans–the rescue of the masses of Jews in Europe or the redemption of the land–I vote, without a second thought, for the redemption of the land. The more said about the slaughter of our people, the greater the minimization of our efforts to strengthen and promote the Hebraisation of the land.” (p51, “The Hidden History of Zionism,” Ralph Schoenman)

      • Keith
        December 16, 2017, 11:58 am

        YONAH FREDMAN-

        I didn’t mention it, but Yitzhak Gruenbaum was chairperson of the Jewish Agency’s Rescue Committee during WWII. Another quote for you:

        “Gruenbaum’s response to the plea of Rabbi Yitzhak Itshe Meir Levin, a leader of the Ultra-orthodox Agudat Yisrael who stated, “Take the Jewish National Fund money…won’t you halt the work in Palestine during such a period, when they are murdering, slaughtering Jews by the hundreds of thousands, even millions? Don’t establish new settlements, take the money for those needs.” Greenbaum responded: “. . . . Let them say that I am anti-Semitic….Let them say what they want. I will not demand that the Jewish Agency allocate of a sum of 300,000 or 100,000 pounds sterling to help European Jewry. And I think that whoever demands such things is performing an anti-Zionist act.” (Torah Jews) http://www.truetorahjews.org/gruenbaum

      • Mooser
        December 17, 2017, 12:54 pm

        “yonah fredman”, I very strongly suggest to you this album.

        Or if you want it in 4 minutes and 21 seconds.

    • John O
      December 16, 2017, 2:34 am

      @Jack Green

      I refer you to the many answers I and others have given every time you post these two paragraphs.

    • Talkback
      December 16, 2017, 6:05 am

      Jack Green: “None are Jews because Israel takes in all Jewish refugees.”

      Which proves the institutionalized racism of Israel. It doesn’t take in Nonjews who fled or were expelled from its territory, but Jewish refugees and expelees who were not even living in this territory. Does it get more racist? Compare this to Germany after 1945 who allowed EVERYONE despite their faith and heritage to return to Germany after they had fleed from or were expelled by Nazi Germany.

      Jack Green: “Also, let’s remember that 6 million Jews died because majority-Christian & majority-Muslim countries refused to take in Jewish refugees.”

      That’s blatant holocaust denial. They “died”, because they were murdered by Nazi Germany. And please feel free to elobarate how Zionist Jews lobbied goverments (for example the US) to prevent taking in Jewish refugees to make sure that Palestine will be their only and unwanted destination.

      Jack Green: “Israel was created to be a majority-Jewish country because majority-gentile countries had failed to provide safety for their Jewish citizens. If Israel takes in too many gentiles, it will no longer be majority-Jewish. Unfortunately, there still is a need for a majority-Jewish country because Jews are still targeted for being Jews.”

      Unfortunately this goal can only be accomplished by targeting and failing to provide safety for the Nonjewish citizens of Palestine who should have become Israeli citizens, but were expelled by Jews.

      To you really believe that Jews have the right to expell, dispossess, disenfranchise and denationalize others like Nazi Germany and prevent their return? That Jews have the right to create a state without any referendum and against the consent of those who are concerned? And without even becoming a constitutive people like the Americans, the British, the French and any other state in the world which is not an Apartheid state? Do you really believe that Israel – like Nazi Germany – has the right to differentiate between nationals (aka Jews) and “citizens” to privilige the former while discriminating the latter and create institutionalized racism?

      You represent/support the worst of all. Those who didn’t learn anything from the Holocaust when it comes to universal human values. You just represent/support those who became the next perpetrator of crimes against humanity and who violate against international law and human rights. Who conquer territory through war and become a majority through massacring and expulsion the native populatiom. Who steal land and resources and illegally annex or occupy territory and settle in it. You represent the worst or settler colonialism and its inherent racism, terrorism and oppression.

      Shame on you and every racist inhumane scumbag you represent and support.

    • Mooser
      December 17, 2017, 12:49 pm

      “can you source this please?”

      “Source this”? It’s ‘common knowledge’. Just one of those facts, like the earth being round.

  6. Ossinev
    December 16, 2017, 9:33 am

    @Jack Green
    “Also, let’s remember that 6 million Jews died because majority-Christian & majority-Muslim countries refused to take in Jewish refugees”

    I thought Hitler had some part in this – perhaps I was wrong. And if some or all of the African refugees who are “returned to their home countries” or are “exported” as commodities to other countries are killed that will have nothing of course to do with Herr Yahoo.

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