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  • 'Exalted anti-Zionists' are now driving the conversation
    • '' Chomsky speaking at the U.N. and taking issue with the exalted anti-Zionists; he says the only one-state outcome is going to be a Greater neocolonial Israel. -''>>>>

      On this I agree with Chomsky.
      The One State would start out with an already entrenched Jewish Rule.
      And as we have found out in the USA democracy, voting and elections don't guarantee you a damn thing because the entrenched by design system only gives you a choice of the chocolate or vanilla flavors in your entrenched.

  • Al Aqsa mosque is closed off for first time in 47 years as tensions flare
    • Looks like since Israel cant get its Iran WWIII started they have decide to go for a apocalyptic showdown with all of Islam.
      I imagine the ME Arab street is watching this and getting hot.

      Is there anyone anywhere Israel hasnt pissed off?

  • 'Chickenshit' attack enrages Netanyahu and lobby, but will it stir voters against Obama?
    • '' The problem with the argument that Obama is a political coward—which at one level, as illustrated in my post yesterday, I obviously share—is that it doesn't address the other other level, which creates a terrible dilemma: it isn't Obama that would suffer political consequences if he exercised real pressure on Israel, but the rest of us.
      Meaning that as long as a large majority of the American Jewish community will not support serious U.S. pressures on Israel, the electoral consequences of defying that community--i.e. losing Jewish money and votes--could be an even stronger Republican majority in Congress, for that matter even in a close Presidential election. And that's not an Obama disaster, it's our disaster.''......Slater

      Trying to get to the bottom of Slater once again.

      1) Obama is a coward because he wont exercise real pressure on Israel.
      2) He wont exercise that pressure because the Dems would lose Jewish money and votes and that would be bad for America.
      3) And the Dems would lose that money and vote because the bulk of the Jewish community won't support stronger pressure on Israel.
      4) And we would get Republican control of government which would be bad for Americans (or Jews).

      So therefore US Isr policy and US elections are all up to the Jews.
      And there will be 'consequences' to Americans in the form of the GOP for 'defying' the Jewish community.
      Do I have this right?
      Er.....so he's saying American democracy has a ''Jewish problem" that only Jews can solve?

      Slater made has made this same or similar argument before when he said don't pressure the Dems on Israel or we might get dastardly republicans who would starve all America's little children.

      [....]

    • JEN PSAKI: We remain fully and firmly committed to Israel’s security -

      AMERICANS: Why?

      JEN PSAKI: Because they are a valuable US ally.

      AMERICANS: Can you enumerate for us what Israel provides the US as an ally that is valuable to the US ?

      JEN PSAKI: We share intelligence in our fight against terrorism.

      AMERICANS: Excuse me, but we were told it is the US NSA that gives Israel all the intelligence the US collects. Does Israel have the equivalent of a NSA whose intell they give to the US?

      JEN PSAKI: We also cooperate on military defense.

      AMERICAN: Israeli donates to US military defense?

      JEN PSAKI: We also share the same values on democracy and promoting democracy and keeping peace in the ME.

      AMERICANS: Could you point to some examples of joint efforts on that? Would that be Egypt or Saudi or Syria or Iraq?

      JEN PSAKI: I'm sorry I am not understanding your questions.

      AMERICANS: You understand them just fine, that's why you aren't answering them.

  • 'Take your Ebola ass and get out': L.A. confrontation highlights relationship between Zionism and anti-black racism
    • @bornajoo

      '' we all know the origin of their mental sickness and disturbing behaviour. ''

      I am not even going to give them that out.

      Why?....because there are other Jews ( and many people in the world) who were actual victims who don't turn into frothing at the mouth zionist or racist and do not take that attitude.

      So the difference here is in the individuals 'characters' .

      They are bad actors. And would be just as 'bad' for any other reason they could seize on.

    • '' But I completely believe that the combined senses, among many Zionists, of [1] having historically been oppressed and being victims, [2] feeling angry at and hurt by anti-Zionism which feels to them like a re-play of the antisemitism of old, [3] being completely ignorant of the racism inherent in Zionism and the whole horrible story summed up in the single word “Nakba”, and [4] now feeling powerful, even feeling above the law, above “civility” — these combined senses have led the Zionists to a triumphalist racialism which is oppressive of others and hurled around “as of right” and without regard for how it reflects on (for example) the so-called Jewish People, in a way which is highly offensive to me as a human being, never mind any Jewish ancestry. ''......pabelmont

      As the official hard ass here let me say that offering psychological reasons or excuses for the Zionist attitudes is 'not helpful'. ..as the StateDept says.
      Why?...because it only plays into and bolsters all the psychological victim excuses and rationals Israel and zionism use to justify what they do.
      You give them one inch of it and they will turn it into a mile.
      You can offer them psychological counseling ' after' they are locked down and no longer a danger to others.

      Every time I hear the psychological explanation for radical zionist I think of serial killer Ted Bundy's legal defense claiming that he killed all those women because' he felt' his mother rejected him and didn't love him enough so he shouldn't get the death penalty because he was 'emotionally damaged' .

  • BDS Victories: Online retailer drops Ahava; Kuwait boycotts companies with settlement ties
    • Why not start a movement to boycott all Israel products not just the settlements.
      Israel is responsible for the settlements.

  • Sh*tstirring Jeffrey Goldberg dumps diplomatic sh*tstorm with 'chickensh*t' quote
    • ut oh ....I have wondered why after all the assassinations Isr has done on their enemies no one has done the same to them.
      I assumed it was because no one could get to them.

      For all we know however this whole story could be another Isr false flag and lie so they can crack down even more on Israeli Arabs. Glick could be lying in the hospital eating pie while getting a fake scar tattooed on his tummy.

      Prominent U.S.-born right-wing activist seriously wounded in Jerusalem shooting
      Likud MK Feiglin says gunman was Arab man who deliberately targeted Yehuda Glick, an advocate for greater Jewish access to Temple Mount

      link to haaretz.com

    • I agree.....time to progress beyond 'not helpful and 'valued ally' and 'disagreement' and all the other bs our leaders churn out.

      So I like chickenshit...I encourage more street language to stir the zio pot even more, create even more public flaps and spats

      One commenter told me its not 'smart ' to ' mouth off'.....lol....well yea it is because it cause the zios to mouth off even more.

      Listen mouthing off is one of the few tools we have and we are in a 'mouthing off' vr zio political money battle.

    • Number of Israeli troops who fought in Iraq: 0.

      Number of Israeli troops who fought in Afghanistan: 0.

      Number of Israeli planes deployed to Libya no fly zone. 0.

      Number of Israeli troops deploying to fight ISIS: 0.

      Number of Israeli troops deployed to fight Ebola: 0.

      Number of times per year Netanyahu whines about how little the world does for Israel and him: 872.

      Chickenshit and chickenhawk and yellow bellied coward and sniveling lying whiner are all absolutely appropriate for Netanyahu and his cohorts

  • US-Israel relationship is still 'strong and formidable,' says State Dep't
  • Israeli committee to consider plans to build first city for Palestinian citizens in country's history
    • I would be very suspicious of that new 'Arab City'-----given how much Israel despises its Palestines and Musims its probably going to be a 'ghetto----they will try to move the Palestines out of Jeursalem and put them there.

  • Under pretext of restoring calm, Netanyahu government is escalating Israel’s war on Palestinians in Jerusalem
  • Another New York Times' reporter's son is in the Israeli army
    • There is no "assumption".........Assigning Jewish reporters and Israelis to cover Israel and I/P is a PATTERN of the NYT.
      How those Jews and Israelis report on it and how they favor the Israelis side is also a PATTERN.

      You know what a Pattern is dont you?

      Pattern:

      "Consistent and recurring characteristic or trait that helps in the identification of a phenomenon or problem, and serves as an indicator or model for predicting its future behavior.'

      Just like your Hasbara Pattern--we always know what you're going to say.

  • UCLA Hillel partners with PR firm to fight BDS movement
    • '' To bring Gaza’s beleaguered economy back to life, McKinsey called for the proliferation of sweatshops that would churn out zippers and buttons for “high-end designers in Israeli clothing markets requiring relatively small, customized orders not handled well by bulk-order manufacturer - ''

      Such f'ing crap.
      Israel only has the buttons and bows and zippers bizness because the US strong armed Egypt into giving it to them.

      It went like this---for Egypt to keep its Qualifying Industrial Zone---iow--free trade zones for cotton imports to the US Egypt had to give Israel a share of their clothing industry production...specifically the 'accessories' in Egypt's cotton clothing industry. ..button and bows and zippers.
      The US also forced Jordon to do the same for their QIZs.

      >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
      link to web.ita.doc.gov

      Qualifying Industrial Zone (QIZ)

      In 1996, the U.S. Congress established the Qualifying Industrial Zone (QIZ) initiative to support the peace process in the Middle East.

      The QIZ initiative allows Egypt and Jordan to export products to the United States duty-free, as long as these products contain inputs from Israel.

      The QIZ legislation authorizes the President to proclaim elimination of duties on articles produced in the West Bank, Gaza Strip, and qualifying industrial zones in Jordan and Egypt. The Office of the United States Trade Representative (USTR), in consultation with other U.S. Government agencies, designates QIZs
      >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

      I am sure the Israeli button and bows biz men would like to have even cheaper Palestine labor.

      This is but one example of the strong arming the Us has done for the Israeli Parasites--helping the Z mafia 'dip their beaks' into other ME countries industries and economies.
      When this happened Egyptian workers rioted over the lose of jobs this caused them--reported as such by all overseas newspapers.
      But in the US Tom 'my head is flat' Friedman of the NYT wrote it up as a 'celebration' of Isr and Egypt cooperation...not the gun to the head of Egypt's cotton exports --which is their largest export industry---that it was.

  • Israeli army kills 14-year old Palestinian with U.S. citizenship
    • One additional comment also to those who say BDS is the only way to end I/P and US political support for Israel.

      No it isnt. And it certainly isnt the fastest way to end it.

      The WH bully pulpit is........just as Reagan and Bush I used it against the lobby before. Obama doesn't have the balls for whatever reason to use it however. I suspect that is because he (mistakenly) has no faith in Americans + I think the fact that he is black and the GOP neos use their base's bigotry to attack him also undermines his confidence in how that element would react.

      link to cmep.org

      '' Reagan also resented the lobbying by Israel and its supporters against the sale of AWACS spy planes to Saudi Arabia in 1981. The American Israel Public Affairs Committee, outraged that Reagan was reneging on a campaign promise so soon after his election, got the House of Representatives to oppose the sale.

      When the battle went to the Senate, Reagan, eager for a triumph with an irascible Congress, played hardball. He and his aides raised the specter of dual loyalty charges.

      "The administration was out there saying 'Reagan or Begin,'" recalled Ira Forman, then a political director for AIPAC and now the executive director of the National Jewish Democratic Council.

      Begin's opposition to the sale especially peeved Reagan, and on Oct. 1 of that year, Reagan famously said "It is not the business of other nations to make American foreign policy."

      That set off a wave of anti-Semitic hate mail to senators. The AWACS sale triumphed in the Senate, and the apparent succumbing to warnings about excessive Jewish influence was a shock for a pro-Israel community that had been confident in its influence since the Yom Kipper war.''>>>>>>

    • NickJOCW
      October 26, 2014, 9:04 am

      @American, The solution must be found by legal means, supported by BDS, and global public pressure on democratically elected legislators. Resorting to guns and bombs would be disastrous.>>>>>>

      Yea I am told that every time I suggest that if all else fails the military solution is all that is left.

      I am all for BDS but the fact is it hasn't stopped Israeli killing.

      I often have this argument with those who tell me violence is abhorrent and shouldnt be used no matter what-----and they tell me this -----as they watch Israel slaughter 500 children in the 2000 killed or maimed n Gaza for the umpteenth time .

      Their idea of 'morality' evidently is to maintain the moral high ground until Israel has killed as many Palestines as it considers necessary.

      I am also for the legal route--- but there again the 'fact is' the law has failed because the US blocks it---and the killing and stealing continues unabated.

      Is there a time table or estimate for when BDS and and global public pressure will actually hit US politicians to end support of Israel?
      Will it be 2 or 3 more Gaza's from now? 2000 or 5000 more dead Palestine from now? 30 billion more US tax dollars to Israel from now?
      The future dead of Palestine--- awaiting the next Isr assault or random bullet in the head by the IDF for throwing stones would like to know.

    • @jd65

      When I first discovered 12 years ago what was going re the US-Israel and I/P I was shocked to the core. I never had any illusions about politicians but discovering that the I/P conflict exist and has been allowed to go for 65 years because our so called representatives of the people take US Zionist blood money in exchange for letting their 'homeland' literally steal and kill at will it violating all International Law set me aflame.
      At first I thought this can't last but I underestimated the extent of the Zionist corruption in the US, in our government and media.

      The actual answer is to shut Israel down totally---full sanctions, no aid, no loans, no trade--nothing.
      If that doesn't work then use US and other joint military force to remove all illegal settlements and transfer all illegal settlers to Israel proper, which would be the original boundaries set out in UN Res 181.
      And if Israel resist this and wants to fight the US military let them.
      They put a plane in the air to bomb anything or anyone, shoot it down.
      They threaten to use their nukes and their idiotic Sampson Option then blow up their nuke facilities.
      IMO that is the only way now left to deal with Israel, its a full blown psychopathic state and its not going to be reasoned with or talked down. And as you say its only going to get worse.

      How to get the US government to take that position re Israel is another question.

    • I keep trying not to read these killing stories because I get too mad and my evil wolf side jumps out...but how much longer can the casual killing go on?
      We all say something must be done but nothing is ever r.e.a.l.l.y done to stop Israel.
      Whats the answer?

  • 'Village on the volcano' is latest effort to change the subject from the occupation
    • A thinking person's question would be why they built their Village on a Volcano if their whole point was to be safe......or a villa in the jungle .....to begin with.
      The only meme they know is the victim meme ---Jews about to be covered with Arab molten lava or trampled by anti semite elephants in the jungle!
      Always the same old.

  • 'Jewish students were barred from attending' pro-Palestinian event -- Alterman misrepresents
    • Talkback
      October 26, 2014, 3:05 am

      Some Jews are so obsessed with the fact that they or someone else is Jewish that everything in their or other’s life that doesn’t goes as they wish can only be interpreted as antisemitism by them.''>>>>>

      lol, that is so true. For some Jews who are total assholes, no matter how many times or people tell them they are acting like assholes---they will say it anti semitic and are 'only' called assholes because they Jewish.

  • Israel and Palestine is not about Jews vs. Palestinians
    • @ citizen

      I hardy know where to start with that article and wonder why I bother since I've done this before.
      When I read something that doesn't really prove what it is saying and find some outright lies or ignorance in it then I have to label it one of several things:

      1) A professor like this author who wants to 'publish' and establish some kind of 'position' for himself within some current issue and so churns out this stuff----the CZ critic field not being quite as full up as the I-Lobby critic field.
      2) Hasbara to take the heat off zionist or Jews or the Lobby.
      3) A religious or other 'professional' who wants to make a buck writing about the religious angle or whatever his specialty may be by writing abut its role in politics or veggie diets or what the hell ever.

      I am only going to pick out two examples in this article

      First---Reagan as a true believer CZ:.......if so he certainly didn’t act or talk by the God gave the Jews all of Israel CZ credo.

      Ronald Reagan never visited Israel

      Reagan never attended a AIPAC conference.

      Ronald Reagan identified himself as a Presbyterian during most of his adult life.
      Reagan was a Presbyterian although his father was Catholic and he took after his mother's religious views.
      Reagan described himself as a 'practical christian'
      Books that influenced him were ones, he said, contained "heroes who lived by standards of morality and fair play.''

      link to heritage.org

      From: "Ronald Reagan Facts" page on the Ronald Reagan Presidential Foundation & Library website (link to reaganfoundation.org):

      .
      Reagan 's support of Israel was based of his two biggest hates yu could say----communism which he said was 'ungodly' and the Evil Empire of the USSR. So Reagan strategy in fortifying Israel as a bulwark against Soviet client states in the Middle East.

      Ronald Reagan halted shipments of cluster bombs to Israel during its attack on Lebanon.

      It was Reagan who told the FBI to open up a investigation into AIPAC when his administration’s position and confidential business information on a bilateral trade deal was stolen from the Commerce Dept and passed to AIPAC

      The first crisis of Israel ties during Reagan's presidency was occasioned by Israel's attack in June 1981 on Iraq's Osirak nuclear reactor.

      Reagan, a proponent of nuclear power in the United States, was upset that an ally ostensibly was reinforcing perceptions that all nuclear power posed dangers, and he suspended arms shipments to Israel in response. Reagan said Iraq, which the United States then supported, may have been persuaded to use the nuclear reactor for peaceful purposes.

      Reagan also resented the lobbying by Israel and its supporters against the sale of AWACS spy planes to Saudi Arabia in 1981. The American Israel Public Affairs Committee, outraged that Reagan was reneging on a campaign promise so soon after his election, got the House of Representatives to oppose the sale.

      When the battle went to the Senate, Reagan, eager for a triumph with an irascible Congress, played hardball. He and his aides raised the specter of dual loyalty charges.

      "The administration was out there saying 'Reagan or Begin,'" recalled Ira Forman, then a political director for AIPAC and now the executive director of the National Jewish Democratic Council.

      Begin's opposition to the sale especially peeved Reagan, and on Oct. 1 of that year, Reagan famously said "It is not the business of other nations to make American foreign policy."

      That set off a wave of anti-Semitic hate mail to senators. The AWACS sale triumphed in the Senate, and the apparent succumbing to warnings about excessive Jewish influence was a shock for a pro-Israel community that had been confident in its influence since the Yom Kipper war.

      Reagan attempted to make amends after the vote by proposing a strategic relationship with Israel in November 1981. Begin and the Knesset surprised Reagan a month later by annexing the Golan Heights, territory claimed by Syria.

      Reagan withdrew his offer, and two months after Reagan's October remark Begin got his own back at Reagan: Israel was nobody's "banana republic," the Israeli prime minister said, a defiant statement that undermined Reagan's desire to appear in control of events.

      Less than a year later, in June 1982, tempers flared again when Israel invaded Lebanon in order to oust the PLO from its stronghold there. Israel said it got a "yellow light" from Secretary of State Haig -- a fact that helped accelerate Haig's departure from office.

      More substantially, Reagan secretly formulated a plan not only to pull Israeli troops out of Lebanon, but to force Israel into withdrawing from the West Bank and Gaza. He ultimately envisioned Palestinian autonomy in a federal system with Jordan.''

      The United States supported the applicability of the Geneva Convention and the unlawful character of settlements until February 1981 when President Ronald Reagan disavowed this policy by asserting that settlements are “not illegal.” President Reagan’s policy has been sustained, implicitly, by subsequent U.S. administrations, all of whom have declined to address the legal issue, although they have all opposed, with varying emphasis, settlements or settlement expansion.

      The United States will not support the use of any additional land for the purpose of settlements during the transitional period. Indeed, the immediate adoption of a settlement freeze by Israel, more than any other action, could create the confidence needed for wider participation in these talks. Further settlement activity is in no way necessary for the security of Israel and only diminishes the confidence of the Arabs that a final outcome can be freely and fairly negotiated.

      I want to make the American position well understood. The purpose of this transitional period is the peaceful and orderly transfer of authority from Israel to the Palestinian inhabitants of the West Bank and Gaza. At the same time, such a transfer must not interfere with Israel's security requirements.''

      link to cmep.org

      AND this from his article..?:

      ‘’ Littell was one of the original founders of the contemporary Israel-first ideology that Falwell came to embrace. In the 1950s and early 1960s when France was Israel's strongest ally and chief weapons provider, Littell became concerned for the State.
      Littell's mobilisations proved to be successful on two issues that were critical for Israel. In both efforts Littell was a major player in creating a verdict in Israel's favour. The first came in 1978 when the US was considering the sale of F-15s and other reconnaissance equipment to its Middle East ally, Saudi Arabia. Israel and the Israeli lobby in the US applied heavy [End Page 78] pressure on Congress and President Jimmy Carter's administration to withdraw the sale commitment. Israel's persistent efforts, however, did not pay off until Littell helped organise a considerable number of Christians to head to Washington D.C. and call on the Carter Administration to block the sale. Their efforts were successful and the US withdrew its offer to sell the reconnaissance planes and equipment.

      The second issue came about during the mobilisation in Washington against the sale of AWACS to the Saudis.””

      AND note please that the author then skips over saying whether the CZs were successful in the ‘second issue’ against the sale of AWACS to Saudi...he just lets the ‘implication’ that they were hang there.

      NONE of it is true:

      '' In February 1978 Carter authorized the transfer of two hundred advanced combat aircraft and surveillance equipment to three countries in the Middle East—-supplying sixty F-15s to Saudi Arabia, fifty F-5Es to Egypt, and a combination of ninety F-15s and F-16s to Israel. Six months later he gave preliminary approval to the sale of another $12 billion worth of high-tech weaponry to Iran.
      Other major sales of this sort were announced in the final months of his administration.

      link to americanforeignrelations.com

      The AWACS Sale: Prospects for U.S, Policy"
      link to heritage.org.
      The Heritage Foundation
      Oct 16, 1981 - Good for US Washington Post September 20, 1981
      Reagan letter to congress chiefs REAFFIRMS sale of awacs to Saudi...

      SAUDI AWACS DEAL PASSES $8 BILLION - NYTimes.com
      link to nytimes.com.

      I never read anything by anyone even critics of the Lobby or Israel without checking them out and checking our what they claim in their statements-----I want ‘to verify their claims’ before I incorporate them into my arguments against Israel and the Lobby and open myself to being accused of the same inane ‘factless’ hasbara as the zio trolls and I-mouthpieces. I suggest others should do the same on everything to the best of their ability.
      W&M had 400 pages of evidenced foot notes for their claims in The Israel Lobby----When someone can do the same on the CZ Lobby and offer more than LeHay and his ‘Left Behind’ and second hand hearsay from the President of AIPAC claiming he knew Reagan had a conversation with one of his staff about how he wanted ‘doomsday’ to happen during his administration as footnotes --- let me know.

    • I am willing to be convinced.
      Tell me what you've got.
      Find out how many CZs there are in congress--(real ones as opposed to bought ones pretending religious motivation.)
      As said I've searched and searched and cant find any CZ power 'at the highest levels'' , only a few congressmen who actually spout real CZ-ism like the 2 nuts from Texas and the phony Graham.
      I don't see half of congress attending any CZ mega conferences like they do for AIPAC.
      I cant find any report of CZs leaders like Hagee or Pat Roberson being invited to the WH by Obama to discuss Israel policy like the Z-org leaders are.
      If the CZs are at the highest levels of influence in government they must be the best covert operators in the universe cause in the I-influence games no one has named them or exposed them.

    • '' Today, Christians United for Israel is the largest pro-Israel organization in the United States and boasts of strong connections at the highest levels of American politics. - ""

      CZs are retarded lunatics ---but I've never been able to find any evidence of their influence in the 'highest levels' of American politics....as in being able to dictate policy and write bills for congress to pass like AIPAC does.

      All my research into this has turned up is the CZ pockets in various states success in electing a CZ or Old Testament bible thumper to congress or the senate from their district.
      And the amount of money they raise primarily for Israeli settlements.
      So you'd have to prove this to me......by naming names and their connections and citing examples.

  • There are some things about Gaza that I still can't wrap my head around
    • BTW, Uncle Sugar Daddy is now treating Israel as a teenager with the cold shoulder and parental ignoring.
      I am sure this will have a amazing effect on Isr's bad behavior. Not.

      ''U.S. publicly humiliates Israeli defense minister as state visit ends
      Ya'alon claims bad blood between him and the Obama administration was over, but learns they leaked that he was denied an audience with senior officials, upon returning to Israel.''

      By Barak Ravid | Oct. 25, 2014 | 12:56

      link to haaretz.com

      snips...

      ''The White House refused to give Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Ya'alon an audience with Vice President Joe Biden, Secretary of State John Kerry, and National Security Advisor Susan Rice during his state visit to the United States this week, senior American officials confirmed Friday. The reason for the cold shoulder was a number of statements Ya'alon made six months ago, in which he criticized the Obama administration and Kerry in particular.

      "Given some of his comments in the recent past, it should come as no surprise that he was denied some meetings," a senior U.S. official told Haaretz. During his visit, Ya'alon met with Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel and U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Samantha Power. A senior American official told the Associated Press that the White House wanted to instruct Power to decline meeting with Ya'alon but that they had only learned of the meeting after she had consented.

      Speaking in the same conference Ya'alon said that if the administration continues to show weakness on the international stage, American national security would suffer a great blow. “If you sit and wait at home, the terrorism will come again,” he said. “Even if you hunker down, it will come. This is a war of civilizations. If your image is feebleness, it doesn’t pay in the world. Nobody will replace the United States as global policeman. I hope the United States comes to its senses. If it doesn’t, it will challenge the world order, and the United States is the one that will suffer.”>>>>>>>>>

      Lets hope the little psycho doesn't try to burn Sugar Daddy's house to the ground to get attention.

    • Great cartoons !

      Someone made the comment to me today about 'the lunatics running the asylum' .
      That's as good a way as I know to describe the US and some other countries today.

  • The hidden documents that reveal the true borders of Israel and Palestine
    • ''Start a campaign in which Americans make a pledge to NEVER VOTE FOR A POLITICIAN WHO RECEIVES MONEY FROM AIPAC or other Zionist organisations. What do you think? .......David Gerald Fincham

      Much simpler to just say --and tell the politicians---you wont vote for any politician that supports Israel,--------- any aid to Israel, any weapons to Israel, any 'sharing' of US Intel or tech with Israel', any favoritism in trade or visas for Israel, any vetoing of UN Res on Israel.

      You cant usually tell what is pro Israel Pac money to politicians because they disguise their many Pacs with misleading names like Green River Citizens and etc. to cover their tracks.
      The fact they 'hide' the pro Israel aspect should tell you something.

      Here's a partial listing of their Pacs, but this doesn't show everything. Jewish orgs in each state regularly form pacs for a certain campaign to finance a certain politician and then disband it afterward and then will form a different one for another campaign.

      link to opensecrets.org

    • They (Israel) would fight even Nato to keep it. Your idea is a non-starter. .....David Gerald Fincham
      >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

      LOL...Go ahead, that's one way to end the problem.

      Zionist National Anthem

      ♫♫ .....Suicide is painless
      it brings on many changes....
      The game of life is hard to play
      I'm gonna lose it anyway
      The losing card I'll someday lay
      so this is all I have to say.....♫♫

    • Fincham
      October 25, 2014, 6:00 pm

      American: I did not mention the West Bank settlements in my article. Please read it more carefully
      >>>>>>>>>>>>

      I wasn't referencing your article . I was referencing your statements in your comments.

      You made the following statements about illegal settlements and settlers:

      #- ""The citizens of Israel living within the stolen land are not illegal aliens living in Palestine. They have broken no laws. They are living in territory which once was part of Palestine, was indeed stolen from Palestine, but has been an integral part of Israel for 66 years. Human rights trump the rights of states. Those citizens have a right to continue their lives in the security of their homes and to not have their citizenship taken away from them -

      # "They cannot legally be driven from their homes, nor can a piece of territory legally be transferred from one sovereignty to another without the agreement of a majority of its residents.'

      You only ' differentiated' the West Bank settlement from the 'fully integrated settements" this way:

      #"My personal view is that if there are Israeli settlers in the West Bank living at peace with their neighbours, with good legal title to their land, and have been there some years and intend to make it their permanent home, and are willing to become Palestinian citizens, then they have acquired at least a moral right to remain, and it would be of benefit to the State of Palestine if they did.''

      The FACT remains that the West Bank settlers are illegal under the law. Period.
      If the West bank was returned to Palestine it would be up to Palestine--not Israel, not the WB settlers whether they could stay or not.
      You have made some ridiculous statements 'as if they were fact.' Although you did qualify the one on the WB as 'your opinion.'

      Here's what you have done--you did the 'bad Israel' thing----then you did the 'but it cant be undone' thing.

      Complete with the ' human rights of the illegal Israeli Jews'.
      And you say basically these Jewish human rights trump whatever human rights the Palestine had in 1948 to the present.
      And you even call it a 'moral right'.
      And you magnanimously suggest a piece of the desert be given Palestines them as compensation.

      Furthermore you say..."I say to those commenters: your heart is in the right place, but you have lost your heads. Think it through. The two states have to agree their mutual border. The UN does not have authority to impose a solution.""

      LOL ......if the UN doesn't have the authority to say where Israel's borders---- then it didn't have the right to partition Palestine and set out the borders in 1948 either.

      Classic liberal Zionist pilpul.
      Typical convoluted pseudo rationalizing.

    • Fincham
      October 25, 2014, 6:00 pm

      American: I did not mention the West Bank settlements in my article. Please read it more carefully
      >>>>>>>>>>>>

      I wasn't referencing your article . I was referencing your statements in your comments.

      You made the following statements about illegal settlements and settlers:

      #- ""The citizens of Israel living within the stolen land are not illegal aliens living in Palestine. They have broken no laws. They are living in territory which once was part of Palestine, was indeed stolen from Palestine, but has been an integral part of Israel for 66 years. Human rights trump the rights of states. Those citizens have a right to continue their lives in the security of their homes and to not have their citizenship taken away from them -

      # "They cannot legally be driven from their homes, nor can a piece of territory legally be transferred from one sovereignty to another without the agreement of a majority of its residents.'

      You only ' differentiated' the West Bank settlement from the 'fully integrated settements" this way:

      #"My personal view is that if there are Israeli settlers in the West Bank living at peace with their neighbours, with good legal title to their land, and have been there some years and intend to make it their permanent home, and are willing to become Palestinian citizens, then they have acquired at least a moral right to remain, and it would be of benefit to the State of Palestine if they did.''

      The FACT remains that the West Bank settlers are illegal under the law. Period.
      If the West bank was returned to Palestine it would be up to Palestine--not Israel, not the WB settlers whether they could stay or not.
      You have made some ridiculous statements 'as if they were fact.' Although you did qualify the one on the WB as 'your opinion.'

      Here's what you have done--you did the 'bad Israel' thing----then you did the 'but it cant be undone' thing.

      Complete with the ' human rights of the illegal Israeli Jews'.
      And you say basically these Jewish human rights trump whatever human rights the Palestine had in 1948 to the present.
      And you even call it a 'moral right'.
      And you magnanimously suggest a piece of the desert be given Palestines them as compensation.

      Classic liberal Zionist pilpul. We've heard it a thousand times.
      So I will just borrow a bit of a movie title....We know Who (and What) You are and We Know What You Did....and are still doing.

    • David Gerald Fincham
      October 24, 2014, 11:42 am

      I couldn’t disagree more.

      The State of Palestine has never claimed sovereignty over the stolen land. It has never had effective sovereignty over that land.>>>>>

      Please enough of the pilpul.
      It doesn't matter whether you agree or not.
      You stated the illegal settlements aren't reversible---they clearly are reversible under the law... "If'..... International law was ever applied to the situation.
      Regurgitating what 'you' want to happen as an answer is not a legitimate argument to our comments on this. .

    • avid Gerald Fincham
      October 23, 2014, 6:51 pm

      “The fact that GoI has “fully integrated” Palestinian land means nothing about who has a moral and legal claim on it.”

      Yes it does. The Israeli citizens living in the “fully integrated land” have the same human rights as every one else. It is not their fault that the Israeli government took that land from another people 66 years ago. They cannot legally be driven from their homes, nor can a piece of territory legally be transferred from one sovereignty to another without the agreement of a majority of its residents.''

      Well you did fine until you got to that.
      First you are ignoring International Law re "illegal settlers" and going off into ' human rights' of illegal settlers----supposedly because' it wasn't their fault' they went to live on stolen land.

      I think you would find that if International Law was implemented thru the ICC the human rights of 'the Palestine victims of Israeli violations' of International law would trump the illegal settlers human rights.

      Just a sampling of the many legal Advisory Opinions issued :

      The International Court of Justice says these settlements are illegal in a 2004 advisory opinion.
      "Summary of the Advisory Opinion of 9 July 2004". International Court of Justice. 9 July 2004. link to icj-cij.org

      The United Nations has repeatedly upheld the view that Israel's construction of settlements constitutes a violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention.

      Resolution 465 (1980)
      Adopted by the Security Council at its 2203rd meeting
      on 1 March 1980
      link to domino.un.org

      At present, the view of the international community, as reflected in numerous UN resolutions, regards the building and existence of Israeli settlements in the West Bank, East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights as a violation of international law. UN Security Council Resolution 446 refers to the Fourth Geneva Convention as the applicable international legal instrument, and calls upon Israel to desist from transferring its own population into the territories or changing their demographic makeup. The reconvened Conference of the High Contracting Parties to the Geneva Conventions has declared the settlements illegal[83] as has the primary judicial organ of the UN, the International Court of Justice.
      link to icj-cij.org

      In late January 2013 a report drafted by three justices, presided over by Christine Chanet, and issued by the United Nations Human Rights Council declared that Jewish settlements constituted a creeping annexation based on multiple violations of the Geneva Conventions and international law, and stated that if Palestine ratified the Rome Accord, Israel could be tried for “gross violations of human rights law and serious violations of international humanitarian law.'
      link to nytimes.com

      I have seen enough claims of the 'irreversibly' of the illegal settlements by liberal zionist to choke a hog.
      Usually described as 'unthinkable' !--- 'would never happen'!--- a travesty'!-- and all seemingly predicated on the people that would be moved off the Palestine land are Jews who should be given special exemptions from International Law.
      So please explain why you think the settlements which are recognized by all legal experts and even by the US 'officially' I might add, would not be 'reversible' and the Jewish settlers transferred into Israel proper and land they occupy which formerly 'legally' belonged to Palestines returned to them, if so declared by the ICC based on International law.

    • I think you mean Israel's 'semi-admittance' for the sake of expediency, of the borders that the UN Res 181 had set out.
      When they declared their state on the basis of UN 181 they 'accepted' those borders although as we all know they claim 'they' didn't declare any borders.
      But what they claim is actually beside the point. Israel never had a legal right to declare any borders, they had to accept the UN boundaries in UN 181 if they wanted it to be approved.

      I also think if you review all the legal opinions on this you find the Israeli nonsense hasn't really escaped the international lawyers.
      It definitely hasn't escaped the UN in all their legal Advisory Opinions issued on the Israeli settlements.

    • Page: 93
  • Israeli president's diagnosis -- 'Israel is a sick society' -- doesn't go viral in the U.S.
    • I hope the Jewish Israelis emigrants to Germany have the sense to not support this zionist shit shirring :

      link to jpost.com

      Pro-Israel German-language Jewish magazine launches in Berlin

      '' BERLIN – Seated in a café in the Hotel Kempinski in the bustling downtown shopping area of Berlin, Dr. Rafael Korenzecher explains why he launched Jüdische Rundschau, a new German- Jewish monthly magazine.

      “We have a message and we are not a mainstream news outlet,” he says. Now, he stresses he “has the opportunity to reach the German public” and convey that “appeasement is a false policy.”

      '' Jüdische Rundschau, loosely translated as “The Jewish Review,” devotes many of its articles to Israel, contemporary anti-Semitism and Jewish culture . The monthly, which Korenzecher launched in July, has a sister Russian- language publication.

      '' Asked why he decided to manage the paper, Heni tells The Jerusalem Post it was a “real chance once a month to bring together international and national voices in 40 pages covering topics such as Israel, anti-Semitism and the Iranian threat, which would otherwise not be heard or read in Germany.”

      Heni says Jüdische Rundschau has a clear position that “stands behind Israel and has no problem criticizing the German government.” -

      ''Karl Pfeifer, a top expert on Austrian anti-Semitism, wrote a highly detailed article on Austrian politicians’ downplaying of Jew-hatred and the failure of major political parties to confront anti-Semitism. The October issue also reaches across the Atlantic to interview US historian Dr. Jeffrey Herf on“post-Holocaust anti-Semitism.”

      '' Alex Feuerherdt contributed an article on the “two-faced policies of Germany-Israel relations.” His departure point is Germany’s flourishing business relationship with the Islamic Republic of Iran at the expense of Israel’s security.

      Jennifer Nathalie Pyka, a journalist from Munich, outlined the German infatuation with the Middle East in her article “The German Patient: The land of 82 million Middle East experts.”

    • '' As Sulllivan says, any American who said this would be instantly marginalized and smeared as an anti-Semite.""

      The percentage of people in any population who can be 'marginalized ' by zio-nazis is actually pretty low and mostly in media/journalism, politics, and (increasingly less so) in academia.
      So when the bulk of any population realizes the I-People cant really do anything 'to them' --except try to get them thru their own government---which only further pisses them off---the a-s power turns out to be not much.
      Its only real power then is keeping the media/polico propaganda going--which fewer and fewer people rely on for accuracy.
      For the average American being a whistle blower is punishment free,

      ''“It is important to refuse to be intimidated. That refusal must not be based simply on a calculation of the odds of succeeding. .
      The refusal to be intimidated must come, in the end, not from a sureness of succeeding but from a knowledge of the cost of scurrying for shelter through fake retractions and disowned truths. It is a question, in the end of self-respect''
      ...Confessions of a Whistle-Blower:

  • The rabbi's fridge
    • '' How many students have ever been called in to Cutler Hall to talk to the police and the Department of Homeland Security? … How many people are concerned about doing this panel or coming to this event because they’re afraid?” ->>>

      I am not clear on this----was she called in to talk to H. Sec about the threats against her or was she called in because of her blood bucket protest against Isr occupation?

  • The ice floe
    • Seriously......forget those older Jews because no one is going to change them.
      Anyone who is really serious about ending I/P and any kind of justice for Palestine should understand by now who they have to go after.
      While BDS is having an effect world wide and campus protest/ divisions are having a effect in academia they havent yet drawn any blood in congress and Us government.
      So I'll say again--go after the politicians, go after the politicians.
      Wiping the Israeli aberration out of the US 'politically' is the fastest way to kill Israel's occupation and confiscation of Palestine and the only way to make sure it stays dead.

      “A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”

      Marcus Tullius Cicero

    • '' You’re just a militant (Phil)......hoppie'

      That is so funny!
      Phil is a pussy cat.
      People like me are the militants.

    • This is not the right place to put this but bear with me cause it is related to I/P and US_Israel issue.
      "Pay 2 Play'...haven't seen it yet. ... but we know this is the main problem with Isr as well as everything else.

      link to convio.motherjones.com

      Please consider joining us at a screening or hosting your own screening of the film Pay 2 Play: Democracy's High Stakes. link to convio.motherjones.com

      SYNOPSIS:

      PAY 2 PLAY follows filmmaker John Ennis' quest to find a way out from under the Pay 2 Play System, defined by Ennis as the cycle where Politicians reward their donors with even larger sums from the public treasury -- through contracts, jobs, tax cuts, and deregulation. PAY 2 PLAY picks up where Ennis left off in his last film FREE FOR ALL. Ennis has recognized that by Election Day, so much has already happened to decide which candidates are or are not on the ballot, the result is surprisingly undemocratic. Driven by his need to make the world better for his newborn daughter to inherit, Ennis determines to study our road to elected office to find a way we can get out from under the Pay 2 Play System.
      link to convio.motherjones.com

      We are asking people to host screenings because we want to create a dialogue around both the problem of big money's corruption of our democracy and the solutions we can work towards together. House party screenings are a great way to bring people together in your community and then join in the actions of our partner organizations who are working towards the solutions we propose in the film.

      It's more than just a movie, it's a movement.

    • '' That’s the broad center of Israeli society now. You can take that on but you have to oppositional. You can’t do it from the heart of Israeli society and you can’t do it from the heart of Jewish life. They’re not interested. -''...Phil

      Give it up, it will only make you crazy...and sick.
      Their 'dialogues' are like a nice soothing massages for themselves.

  • Junot Díaz comes out in support of the academic and cultural boycott of Israel
    • Here's another victory....
      The I-bully boys lose again.

      link to freebeacon.com

      ''L.A. Hotel to Host Anti-Israel Confab
      Westin Bonaventure and owner stand by ASA''

      They were threatening to sue Westin for allowing ASA to use their hotel for a conference claiming it was anti semitic.

      Westin answered them with the equivalent of a corporate get f'ed brush off:

      “The Westin Bonaventure does not discriminate and is committed to meeting the requirements of the Civil Rights Act at all times,” a spokesman for the hotel’s parent company told the Washington Free Beacon in a statement over the weekend.

      “The hotel respects the privacy of our groups and guests, and we do not choose, nor refuse, to do business based upon ideologies or affiliations,” the statement said. “We are in the business of hospitality, and if rooms are available, anyone may reserve accommodations and receive the benefit of our services.''

  • A peek inside the Israeli subconscious as revealed at the King Hussein crossing from Jordan
    • Someone in the crowd brought what looks a hundred year old woman in a wheel chair with no teeth and pasted a yellow start on her,,,...I wonder if she even knows where she is.

    • A peek also inside the US zionist....
      I dont what their objections are to the Death Of Klinghoffer play at the Lincoln Center but you should see the pictures that go with Max's tweets on this...real sick crowd.

      link to twitter.com

      Max Blumenthal @MaxBlumenthal · 3h 3 hours ago

      The self-proclaimed "Klinghoffer Marshal" is handing out yellow Stars of David to fellow Jews

      Max Blumenthal @MaxBlumenthal · 3h 3 hours ago

      A scene outside the Met - What can you even say about this?

      Max Blumenthal @MaxBlumenthal · 3h 3 hours ago

      One of the signs being waved by Zionist fanatics outside the Met - very clever

      Max Blumenthal @MaxBlumenthal · 3h 3 hours ago

      Some pro-Israel speaker is now attacking Met Director Peter Gelb on the basis of his Judaism, likening him to Arafat.
      0 replies 22 retweets 5 favorites

      Max Blumenthal @MaxBlumenthal · 4h 4 hours ago

      The JDL is handing these out and organizing outside Lincoln Center. Rudy Giuliani is due to speak soon

      Max Blumenthal @MaxBlumenthal · 4h 4 hours ago

      Zionist fanatics are shouting at theater goers at Lincoln Center, calling them "Nazi pigs"

      Max Blumenthal @MaxBlumenthal · 4h 4 hours ago

      This Zionist anti-art rally at Lincoln Center is filled with Kahanists and members of the violent extremist JDL

      Max Blumenthal @MaxBlumenthal · 4h 4 hours ago

      This woman, also wearing a yellow star, recognized me. "Max Blumenthal, disgusting Jew!" she shouted

      Max Blumenthal @MaxBlumenthal · 4h 4 hours ago

      This Zionist anti-art demonstrator is wearing a yellow Star of David

      Max Blumenthal @MaxBlumenthal · 4h 4 hours ago

      A few hundred Zionist fanatics are outside Lincoln Center protesting

  • B'Tselem video: Israeli soldiers blindfold and detain 11 year old disabled child
    • '' Just look at those IDF pictures of soldiers abusing Palestinians.
      Why can’t Israel be a normal country? Because it’s run on trauma''....seafood

      I don't think you can claim the trauma excuse for the IDF.
      They have never fought any protracted war like WWI or Vietnam or Iraq. To compare them to the veterans of real wars is actually an insult to others veterans.
      They haven't been traumatized , they are living in a society in which they are 'The Supremes'----I hardly call that traumatizing.
      These young Israelis in the IDF are run on the hate they got in their zionist milk.
      It's hate , not trauma that makes them what they are.

  • 'I know how the brainwashing works'
    • '' That’s why I firmly believe that the Americans are the only ones that can force the necessary change upon them - ""

      The Americans (Gov.) will have to be forced to change first------before they will force Israel.

      Thomas Jefferson recommended "a decent respect for the opinion of mankind."
      Exactly what Zionist and Washington doesn't have.
      They are going to have to be 'taught' that lesson.

  • The Connecticut Conference of the United Church of Christ passes divestment resolution
    • '' how much value there is in understanding the view of a Jew from the UCC pulpit? - .....becca

      Lets me suggest something simple you can do
      .
      Draw two columns on a sheet of paper.

      In one list all your Jewish views on Israel and I/P.

      In the other column list all the 'others' opinions on Israel & I/P 'that come from established facts"---Human Rights Organizations, International Law ruling bodies, the US government and other countries 'official' positions on the illegality of Israelis settlements and so forth.

      This will take some effort on your part to 'honestly' list all the others and authorities 'findings' on Israel vr Palestine rights.

      If you do this and then reject everything in the other's 'facts' column and attribute them all to just anti semitism and hatred of 'Jewish' state .
      And in your Jewish view column you list only Jewish Holocaust or victim entitlement as a justification for taking another's land, Jewish security in Israel as a reason for continuing to take Palestine land and resources and kill Palestines, or any kind of chosenness or religious reason.

      Then you will know what the problem is with your view.
      You might not want to admit it or ever admit it but it is what it is.

    • @becca

      For your education on this and to point you in the right direction for your complaints:

      ''Economy Minister Naftali Bennett, whose ultranationalist Jewish Home party belongs to the coalition but who has had testy relations with Netanyahu, defended him on Facebook.

      “The prime minister of Israel is not a private person. He is the leader of the Jewish state and the entire Jewish people. Cursing the prime minister and calling him names is an insult not just to him but to the millions of Israeli citizens and Jews across the globe,” he wrote

      Read more: link to forward.com

      The diaspora I-Zionist and the Jewish state created the Jews equals Israel idea--no one else. They have spent 70 years embedding this view in world populations.
      If you want to break up the 'Jews equal Israel' then you should know what you have to do.
      Get on the right side.

    • '' In my eyes, this resolution is divisive. It may not be it’s intention to be anti-Semitic, but it will generate antisemitism. (Really, what’s the difference?) - ..becca

      Its about time someone said to those like......Tough shit, you and Israel created what you call anti semitism, its your problem.

      Don't come whining to the world about anti semitism as long as you are defending Israel's killing and stealing.
      Whine to Israel, they could chose to stop it any day.

  • Anti-semitism charge is increasingly being leveled against Israel's mainstream critics
    • Uh oh....more complications. Will they be able to keep this a private fight or will the NYT announce one day the CZs are now officially anti semites ?

      link to forward.com

      ''Christian Evangelicals Push Aliyah — and Jews Are Concerned
      Born Again Group Set To Launch Mass Aliyah

      Related:
      Jews Cast Wary Eye on Evangelicals
      Evangelicals Seen Forging Alliance With ‘Messianic Jews’

      Here's my new conspiracy theory on this--(beside Jews having to convert or get eaten by locust on doomsday).
      The Evangelicals want the Jews to go to Israel so they can't be any kind of lobby for separation for church and state and oppose Christendom, then the Evangels can proceed with their plan to turn the US into a Evangelical ( or a least a official) Christian nation.

      Mirror, mirror on the wall, whose the smartest(craziest) of them all...the Zios or the Evangelicals?

    • People are tiring of the anti semitism claims, even evidently the NYPD.

      Brooklyn, NY - Arrest Made In Barclays Center Attack: NYPD Says No Hate Crime

      Published on: Today 01:46 PM
      By: Sandy Eller

      Brooklyn, NY - Just over one week after a local Jewish leader in New York was assaulted at Barclays Center, the NYPD has announced the arrest of a suspect in the incident.
      25 year old Shawn Schraeder of Queens was arrested by police on Thursday, October 16th and charged with assault and harassment.

      An NYPD spokesperson told VIN News that while the incident was investigated as a possible bias incident, the investigation determined that bias was not a motivating factor in the attack on Leonard Petlakh, executive director of the Kings Bay YM-YWHA.

      The incident in question took place on October 7th, during an exhibition game between the Brooklyn Nets and the Tel Aviv Maccabis, with Schraeder and his companions seated in front of Petlakh and his party.

      A woman seated with Schraeder’s held up a Palestinian flag and an argument ensued when a member of Petlakh’s group grabbed the flag. Security guards intervened, escorting both groups out of the arena and the altercation continued outside Barclays Center, with Schraeder allegedly punching the 42 year old Petlakh in the left eye.

      Petlakh, who attended the game with his two sons, suffered a broken nose and received eight stitches as a result of the attack.

      City Councilman Mark Treyger praised the NYPD for its quick work in the case.

      “This sends a clear message that our city will not tolerate violence against anyone and will devote the necessary time and resources to investigating all incidents of hatred,” said Treyger.

      Assemblyman Steven Cymbrowitz criticized the NYPD for not classifying the attack as a hate crime in a written statement.

      “I’m pleased that police arrested a suspect in the brutal attack on Leonard Petlakh but I find it disturbing that they do not plan to charge him with a bias crime. Given the anti-Semitic nature of this attack, I urge authorities to reconsider this decision. I will be calling on the district attorney to treat this as a bias case and seek the harshest penalties that are allowed under the law.''>>>>

      But the Jewish genius that got punched doesn't comprehend the ''not a hate crime'' and continues to bray to the pack about the hatemongers:

      “I am thrilled that the New York Police department has taken this very seriously,” Petlakh said. “I relish the day that we will see these hatemongers in our courtroom.”

      Read more: link to forward.com

    • palijustice
      October 19, 2014, 3:41 pm

      If a person is attacked with the slur of antisemitism when they criticize Israel’s policies, the counter should be......"

      Hysterical peals of `laughter'.

    • Yes the anti semitism ploy is exhausted.
      Its the same plastic Israeli record played for 65 years now.
      Its worn down to irritating, meaningless, stuck in a groove static.

      Cant they think of something new ?

  • 'NYT' can't keep its story straight on anti-Semitism in Germany
    • @ jon s

      ''Some statistics appear here:

      link to antisemitism.org.il
      >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

      Well that is one of the most puke worthy orgs and reports I have seen.
      When are going you get out of the cult and realize that Isr orgs, ADL and orgs like the Southern Poverty Law Center are more interested in shit stirring and race and religion 'baiting' than truth and facts. Just like Isr and ADL, a lot of these phony 'civil rights orgs exist to stir shit---without shit stirring and hyping they lose their reason for existence.

      I haven't looked up the European equivalent of the US FBI Hate Crimes report but the claims of the ADL and the other Z-orgs claim about Jewish hate crimes are ridiculous. You can be sure they lie about the stats there just as they do about the US stats.
      The FBI hasn't released the full 2013 report but did release a statement that US hate crimes were down by 5% the first half of 2013.
      The last full report was 2012. There's quite a difference between the 5,700 hate crimes and the *250,000* hate crimes the ADL and the SPLC claim in the US.

      link to fbi.gov

      Incidents and Offenses
      Download Printable Document

      The Uniform Crime Reporting Program collects data about both single-bias and multiple-bias hate crimes. For each offense type reported, law enforcement must indicate at least one bias motivation. A single-bias incident is defined as an incident in which one or more offense types are motivated by the same bias. A multiple-bias incident is defined as an incident in which more than one offense type occurs and at least two offense types are motivated by different biases.

      In 2012, 1,730 law enforcement agencies reported 5,796 hate crime incidents involving 6,718 offenses.
      There were 5,790 single-bias incidents that involved 6,705 offenses, 7,151 victims, and 5,322 offenders.
      The 6 multiple­-bias incidents reported in 2012 involved 13 offenses, 13 victims, and 9 offenders. (See Tables 1 and 12.)
      Single-bias incidents
      Analysis of the 5,790 single-bias incidents reported in 2012 revealed that:

      48.3 percent were racially motivated.
      19.6 percent resulted from sexual-orientation bias.
      19.0 percent were motivated by religious bias.
      11.5 percent stemmed from ethnicity/national origin bias.
      1.6 percent were prompted by disability bias. (Based on Table 1.)
      Offenses by bias motivation within incidents
      Of the 6,705 single-bias hate crime offenses reported in the above incidents:

      49.2 percent stemmed from racial bias.
      19.7 percent were motivated by sexual-orientation bias.
      17.4 percent resulted from religious bias.
      12.3 percent were prompted by ethnicity/national origin bias.
      1.5 percent resulted from biases against disabilities. (Based on Table 1.)
      Racial bias
      In 2012, law enforcement agencies reported that 3,297 single-bias hate crime offenses were racially motivated. Of these offenses:

      66.1 percent were motivated by anti-black bias.
      22.4 percent stemmed from anti-white bias.
      4.1 percent resulted from anti-Asian/Pacific Islander bias.
      4.1 percent were a result of bias against groups of individuals consisting of more than one race (anti-multiple races, group).
      3.3 percent were motivated by anti-American Indian/Alaskan Native bias. (Based on Table 1.)

      Religious bias
      Hate crimes motivated by religious bias accounted for 1,166 offenses reported by law enforcement. A breakdown of the bias motivation of religious-biased offenses showed:

      59.7 percent were anti-Jewish.
      12.8 percent were anti-Islamic.
      7.6 percent were anti-multiple religions, group.
      6.8 percent were anti-Catholic.
      2.9 percent were anti-Protestant.
      1.0 percent were anti-Atheism/Agnosticism/etc.
      9. 2 percent were anti-other (unspecified) religion. (Based on Table 1.)
      Sexual-orientation bias
      In 2012, law enforcement agencies reported 1,318 hate crime offenses based on sexual-orientation bias. Of these offenses:

      54.6 percent were classified as anti-male homosexual bias.
      28.0 percent were reported as anti-homosexual bias.
      12.3 percent were prompted by an anti-female homosexual bias.
      3.1 percent were classified as anti-bisexual bias.
      2.0 percent were the result of an anti-heterosexual bias. (Based on Table 1.)
      Ethnicity/national origin bias
      Of the single-bias incidents, 822 offenses were committed based on the offenders’ bias toward the perceived ethnicity or national origin of the victim. Of these offenses:

      59.4 percent were anti-Hispanic bias.
      40.6 percent were anti-other ethnicity/national origin bias. (Based on Table 1.)
      Disability bias
      There were 102 reported hate crime offenses committed based on disability bias. Of these:

      82 offenses were classified as anti-mental disability.
      20 offenses were reported as anti-physical disability. (See Table 1.)
      By offense types
      Of the 6,718 reported hate crime offenses in 2012:

      28.4 percent were destruction/damage/vandalism.
      23.4 percent were simple assault.
      22.2 percent were intimidation.
      12.7 percent were aggravated assault.
      The remainder were comprised of additional crimes against persons and property. (Based on Table 2.)
      Offenses by crime category
      Among the 6,718 hate crime offenses reported:

      59.1 percent were crimes against persons.
      37.9 percent were crimes against property.
      The remainder were crimes against society. (Based on Table 2.) (See Data Collection in Methodology.)
      Crimes against persons
      Law enforcement reported 3,968 hate crime offenses as crimes against persons. By offense type:

      39.6 percent were simple assault.
      37.5 percent were intimidation.
      21.5 percent were aggravated assault.
      0.6 percent consisted of 10 murders and 15 forcible rapes.
      0.8 percent involved the offense category other, which is collected only in the National Incident-Based Reporting System. (Based on Table 2.)
      The majority of the 2,547 hate crime offenses that were crimes against property (74.8 percent) were acts of destruction/damage/vandalism.
      The remaining 25.2 percent of crimes against property consisted of robbery, burglary, larceny-theft, motor vehicle theft, arson, and other crimes. (Based on Table 2.)
      Crimes against property
      The majority of the 2,547 hate crime offenses that were crimes against property (74.8 percent) were acts of destruction/damage/vandalism.
      The remaining 25.2 percent of crimes against property consisted of robbery, burglary, larceny-theft, motor vehicle theft, arson, and other crimes. (Based on Table 2.)
      Crimes against society
      There were 203 offenses defined as crimes against society (e.g., drug or narcotic offenses or prostitution).

      By victim type
      When considering the type of victims among the reported 6,718 hate crime offenses:

      79.6 percent were directed at individuals.
      4.6 percent were against businesses or financial institutions.
      3.0 percent were against society.
      2.9 percent were against government.
      2.7 percent were against religious organizations.
      The remaining 7.2 percent were directed at other, multiple, or unknown victim types. (Based on Table 6.)

      696 incidents involving attacks on Jewishness, out of 325 million people in the US, the bulk of which were defacement of property.
      OMG!, its a holocaust. Not.

    • Zio picks fight with White Nationalist-----Zio loses.

      Randy Scheunemann of the Emergency Committee for Israel and PNAC charges club member with racism and gets himself dumped instead. I am sure someone is going to blame it on anti semitism.

      '''When a top GOP foreign-policy aide met a well-connected white nationalist at a mountain ski resort, a long-simmering right-wing feud almost came to blows''

      link to thedailybeast.com

      '' This time, with ample evidence to back his case, Scheuneman complained to the club’s organizers, outraged that they had offered someone (especially a highly controversial public figure) full membership without consulting other members, an apparent breach of protocol. And so Scheunemann offered an ultimatum: Kick Spencer out, or he would leave.

      The club chose to keep Spencer.
      None of its leaders responded to queries from The Daily Beast.

      Asked for comment, Spencer replied, “Randy Scheunemann has given you a gross mischaracterization of events. However, I will not elaborate for the simple reason that this is a private matter involving a private organization. I refuse to bring private matters into a public discussion.”
      >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

      I am not going to call White Nationalism a 'trend' yet. But there are lots of examples in out of the way stories that nationalism or something similar is making a comeback among the public and some proponents of it are accepted in elite social circles. And in those news stories are also examples that more people are fed up with US Israelites like Scheunemann and their Zionistas stomping around the US like they own the place.

      ''Beware the beginnings, consider the end"..would be good advice to all the supreme groups.

    • From what I have read its mostly economical.
      Prices of housing and food are higher in Israel.
      I don't remember the average pay in Israel but I think that it is higher in Germany.
      Also I read on here I believe from someone that Jews are exempt from military service or don't have to register for it in Germany .
      And of course they do have mandatory military service in Israel.
      So several factors in favor of leaving Israel.

  • As Kerry scrambles to prevent Palestinian action at UN, Israeli govt makes clear it will never accept Palestinian state
    • '' Congressman Joe Wilson ''

      OMG, !!!!!....I forgot about that idiot. He infuriated me to the point during the run up to the Iraq invasion and I wrote him a letter.
      Upset him so much he wrote me back a 2 page letter about his 'beliefs and how he was a true patriot' and I was wrong.
      Sending ebola into his voter base might not be a bad idea they are already the Walking Dead .

    • Ditto.
      Said that fr beginning.
      The UN DID define the boarders Israel just didnt 'accept ' them.
      Those boarders are the only land that Isr can legally --if you could call it legal ----claim.
      Push them back in it.

  • 'Progressive' rabbi ascribes Roger Waters's concern with 500 Palestinian child victims to rocker's alleged drug use
    • '' Who gives a fiddlers fart what this zionist wacko thinks - ''amigo

      Fewer and fewer people.
      He's a snake.

  • Israel's Dead Soul: Steven Salaita's critical scholarship explains his dismissal from the University of Illinois
    • Why is he writing about Israel's Dead Soul?
      I don't get it.
      Why isnt he writing on what US Zionist are doing to the US academic institutions and freedom of speech.

      You'd have to write at least a 1000 page volume if you wanted to connect Israel to the multiculturalism and pluralism and the other isms Zionist have hypocritically pushed for their own agenda in the US.

    • This also very interesting

      link to nationalreview.com

      October 16, 2014 6:00 PM

      When Defending Israel Becomes ‘Religious Discrimination’
      A Fordham University professor is charged with a secret Title IX complaint.
      By Kim McCarthy

      snips...

      "How do you try to prove a charge of religious discrimination against a Jesuit university’s professor of history and anti-Semitism studies?

      You’d think you could ask Professor Doron Ben-Atar, who was just cleared of this accusation, leveled by another professor. But he can’t tell you either, because he was investigated by the university’s Title IX commission, he says, without ever being informed of the charges against him. “They never told me what I did wrong, because I didn’t do anything wrong,” Ben-Atar says. “All I did was stand up against anti-Semitism.”

      ''Yet there’s a broader issue than the complaint itself. “The administration failed to say to Dr. McGee, ‘Listen, you have a political disagreement with Dr. Ben-Atar. This is not something that requires bigger action,’” Ben-Atar says.''>>>>>

      Dumbo doesn't know what he did wrong.
      Dumbo doesn't know that shooting his mouth off in typical zionist fashion about how any other academic who is for BDS is an anti semite just might piss off some non Jewish academics who then report him for religious discrimination toward non Jews.

      Yea its stretch---- but I like it--its like a price tag for a snotty mouth zionist who thinks he can smear anyone and not be smeared back.
      And I am pretty certain the non Jewish professor who charged him with religious discrimination did it just to cause him some aggravation, cost him some legal fees and make an example of him.

      Then dumbo, true to also zionistas hypocritical form, whines about how 'having a political disagreement shouldnt rise to the to the level of legal charges.
      Like lawfare and suing everyone on earth isnt the zionist stock and trade in 'political disagreements.'

      More price tags please. Make their slurring of other people cost them something.

  • The Center for Jewish Life is stifling free speech at Princeton University
  • Clintonite turns on Netanyahu for trying to bend US 'to his will'
    • I really have no interest in the Ginsbergs zio nattering and not much in what world leaders, politicians or political operatives say.
      The only recent exception was the UK Parliament action.

      At least in the US VIP and groupie levels they arent going to change, do anything, or reform themselves.
      I am much more interested right now in looking for 'trends' in the grassroots public toward Israel.

      The public trend overseas is already out in the open and you can find in everywhere in small local examples like this one:

      link to electronicintifada.net

      ''Welsh council embargoes Israel over Gaza "savageness"
      Submitted by Asa Winstanley on Fri, 10/17/2014 - 18:18

      It is bubbling in the US public also...aside from activist protest.
      You can find some examples of US 'society'---private business, resturants, clubs, ect---- reacting to Isr and Us support of it but you have to look for the news stories in the local newspapers, not the big press.
      It has gone 'local' in the US----just not yet as big or widespread as Europe.

    • Citizen
      October 17, 2014, 7:54 am

      Israel’s pursuing stronger relations with China, as we saw early this year, and also to India.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

      That is good ----- will create more problems and complications for the US- Isr 'relationship'.

  • From Schindler to Gaza-- two evenings at the Lensic theater
    • Excellent!
      Another Righteous Jew for my awards list!

      We better get busy drumming up more Righteous Gentiles too...my list is somewhat short in that category.

  • Hamas is Nazi Germany and Israel is valiant and desperate England -- explains Canadian Jewish leader
    • The War Prayer
      by Mark Twain

      It was a time of great and exalting excitement. The country was up in arms, the war was on, in every breast burned the holy fire of patriotism; the drums were beating, the bands playing, the toy pistols popping, the bunched firecrackers hissing and spluttering; on every hand and far down the receding and fading spread of roofs and balconies a fulttering wilderness of flags flashed in the sun; daily the young volunteers marched down the wide avenue gay and fine in their new uniforms, the proud fathers and mothers and sisters and sweethearts cheering them with voices choked with happy emotion as they swung by; nightly the packed mass meetings listened, panting, to patriot oratory with stirred the deepest deeps of their hearts, and which they interrupted at briefest intervals with cyclones of applause, the tears running down their cheeks the while; in the churches the pastors preached devotion to flag and country, and invoked the God of Battles beseeching His aid in our good cause in outpourings of fervid eloquence which moved every listener.

      It was indeed a glad and gracious time, and the half dozen rash spirits that ventured to disapprove of the war and cast a doubt upon its righteousness straightway got such a stern and angry warning that for their personal safety’s sake they quickly shrank out of sight and offended no more in that way.

      Sunday morning came — next day the battalions would leave for the front; the church was filled; the volunteers were there, their young faces alight with martial dreams — visions of the stern advance, the gathering momentum, the rushing charge, the flashing sabers, the flight of the foe, the tumult, the enveloping smoke, the fierce pursuit, the surrender!

      Then home from the war, bronzed heroes, welcomed, adored, submerged in golden seas of glory! With the volunteers sat their dear ones, proud, happy, and envied by the neighbors and friends who had no sons and brothers to send forth to the field of honor, there to win for the flag, or, failing, die the noblest of noble deaths. The service proceeded; a war chapter from the Old Testament was read; the first prayer was said; it was followed by an organ burst that shook the building, and with one impulse the house rose, with glowing eyes and beating hearts, and poured out that tremendous invocation:

      God the all-terrible! Thou who ordainest,
      Thunder thy clarion and lightning thy sword!

      Then came the “long” prayer. None could remember the like of it for passionate pleading and moving and beautiful language. The burden of its supplication was, that an ever-merciful and benignant Father of us all would watch over our noble young soldiers, and aid, comfort, and encourage them in their patriotic work; bless them, shield them in the day of battle and the hour of peril, bear them in His mighty hand, make them strong and confident, invincible in the bloody onset; help them crush the foe, grant to them and to their flag and country imperishable honor and glory —

      An aged stranger entered and moved with slow and noiseless step up the main aisle, his eyes fixed upon the minister, his long body clothed in a robe that reached to his feet, his head bare, his white hair descending in a frothy cataract to his shoulders, his seamy face unnaturally pale, pale even to ghastliness. With all eyes following him and wondering, he made his silent way; without pausing, he ascended to the preacher’s side and stood there waiting. With shut lids the preacher, unconscious of his presence, continued his moving prayer, and at last finished it with the words, uttered in fervent appeal, “Bless our arms, grant us the victory, O Lord and God, Father and Protector of our land and flag!”

      The stranger touched his arm, motioned him to step aside — which the startled minister did — and took his place. During some moments he surveyed the spellbound audience with solemn eyes, in which burned an uncanny light; then in a deep voice he said:

      “I come from the Throne — bearing a message from Almighty God!” The words smote the house with a shock; if the stranger perceived it he gave no attention. “He has heard the prayer of His servant your shepherd, and will grant it if such be your desire after I, His messenger, shall have explained to you its import — that is to say, its full import. For it is like unto many of the prayers of men, in that it asks for more than he who utters it is aware of — except he pause and think. “God’s servant and yours has prayed his prayer. Has he paused and taken thought? Is it one prayer? No, it is two — one uttered, and the other not. Both have reached the ear of Him who heareth all supplications, the spoken and the unspoken. Ponder this — keep it in mind. If you would beseech a blessing upon yourself, beware! lest without intent you invoke a curse upon your neighbor at the same time. If you pray for the blessing of rain on your crop which needs it, by that act you are possibly praying for a curse on some neighbor’s crop which may not need rain and can be injured by it.

      “You have heard your servant’s prayer — the uttered part of it. I am commissioned by God to put into words the other part of it — that part which the pastor — and also you in your hearts — fervently prayed silently. And ignorantly and unthinkingly? God grant that it was so! You heard the words ‘Grant us the victory, O Lord our God!’ That is sufficient. The whole of the uttered prayer is compact into those pregnant words. Elaborations were not necessary. When you have prayed for victory you have prayed for many unmentioned results which follow victory — must follow it, cannot help but follow it. Upon the listening spirit of God fell also the unspoken part of the prayer. He commandeth me to put it into words. Listen!

      “Lord our Father, our young patriots, idols of our hearts, go forth into battle — be Thou near them! With them — in spirit — we also go forth from the sweet peace of our beloved firesides to smite the foe. O Lord our God, help us tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with their little children to wander unfriended in the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames in summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it —

      For our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimmage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet!

      We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.

      (After a pause.) “Ye have prayed it; if ye still desire it, speak! The messenger of the Most High waits.”

      It was believed afterward that the man was a lunatic, because there was no sense in what he said.

    • '' In the years to come, Israel is going to devalue, undermine and ultimately destroy the meaning and serviceability of the Holocaust, reducing it to what many people already say it is: Israel’s excuse for bad behavior. - '''

      That's already happening or happened. The list of those who use the holocaust as the universal moral lesson on 'ethnic supremism' that it should be vr those mouthpieces who use it a an excuse for Israel and zionism is pretty short.

      I still think that 'coffee table book' that had nothing but "Jew' listed 6 million times is one of the most repugnant uses of the holocaust I have heard of.

    • How many actual murders of Jews have there been in the last decade or two?
      I remember the first one by a lone gunman at a Jewish org in Calif I believe it was.
      Then there was the killing of the Jewish school children by a Muslim obviously bent on revenge for Zionist Isr in the ME.
      Then the latest in the US by another lone gunman at the Jewish Y who ended up shooting some gentiles instead

      So that's 2 murders and one 'attempted murder of Jews in the US and one murder of Jewish school children in Europe.

      I have not seen any reports of actual murders of Jews in Europe except the one of school children I mentioned above.

    • '' I wonder how much the panel will conflate anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism. ''

      I am guessing for most it will be the usual . Their brains are one way, no exit , no U turn tunnels.

  • Israel wields 'significant US domestic power' to foil peace process -- NY Review of Books
    • Oh for gawd's sake Jones.....don't tell us you don't understand what PEPs are and why they are PEPs :

      hypocrite
      [hip-uh-krit]

      1....a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.
      2.......a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, especially one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements

      Origin
      Middle English
      Old French
      Late Latin
      Greek
      1175-1225
      1175-1225; Middle English ipocrite < Old French < Late Latin hypocrita < Greek hypokritḗs a stage actor, hence one who pretends to be what he is not, equivalent to hypokrī́(nesthai) (see hypocrisy) + -tēs agent suffix

      Synonyms
      deceiver, dissembler, pretender, pharisee.

      ''What makes it so plausible to assume that hypocrisy is the vice of vices is that integrity can indeed exist under the cover of all other vices except this one. Only crime and the criminal, it is true, confront us with the perplexity of radical evil; but only the hypocrite is really rotten to the core. ''.......
      Hannah Arendt

    • I wanna go ..'yawn'.

      We all know what the US could do and should do..but it not going to do it.

      I am more impressed by Sir Duncan of the UK:

      "''“The time has come to make sure above any doubt that the funding of any party in the UK is clearly decoupled from the influence of the Israeli state.”"

      That's as civil as you can put it in regard to the I-Fifth Column and the Lobby. I've had enough of the weasel wording and beating around the bush with pc "domestic political considerations'. Name 'em and shame 'em.....turn on the blow torch or the skunk juice machine.

  • British Parliament sends a message to Obama: the people see Israel as a 'bully'
    • The Zio fanatics in GB lost another one. Maybe when they realize their days of wielding anti semitism against everyone are coming to an end they will all move to Israel.

      Crown Persecution Service: No prosecution of Galloway over 'Israel-free zone' speech

      Details
      Published on Friday, 17 October 2014 18:38

      'The Crown Prosecution Service has confirmed that Bradford West MP George Galloway will not be charged over a speech in made in Leeds in August declaring that Bradford was an 'an Israel-free zone'.

      Following the speech on August 2, which was posted online, several complaints were made to Yorkshire police that Galloway's comments amounted to hate crime. These allegations have been comprehensively dismissed by the CPS.

      "This has been an extremely expensive waste of police' and CPS' time forced on them by ultra-Zionists who were pursuing a vendetta against me," Galloway said. "My comments were aimed at the state of Israel which - I repeat what I said at the time - is an illegal, savage and barbarous state, and had nothing whatever to do with race or religion. And they have the benefit of being true. That country has more censures against it by the United Nations than the rest of the countries in the world put together, refuses to abide by resolutions and continues to illegally grab land and persecute the rightful owners of it and uses its military to blockade and murder the people of Gaza. I take back not a word and I will continue to forcefully condemn Israel."

    • '' I hope we can hear some similar truth spoken in our congress regarding Israel’s illegal actions. - '''

      Don't hold your breath, you're going to have to beat it out of US politicians...

    • This is excellent Phil --just excellent!
      I am faxing this to my congressman and I=First senator tomorrow.

      I dont care how others want to minimize this vote as only symbolic----that the speeches shown here were said in the UK parliament and will be quoted around the world is a big step forward. The fact that now Israeli actions have been called what they are by the 'honorables' will also be a encouragement to UK citizens to hold their feet to the fire.

      Next stop---- sanctions on Israel, not just on the illegal settlements if Israel doesn't come to heel.

  • Help break the blockade and clothe Gaza’s children this winter
    • Right oldgezzer
      In my morning news round up all reports say Today was first day of supply trucks being allowed into Gaza.

  • How 'Open Hillel' created a new community by challenging the Jewish establishment
    • Good.
      And I hereby appoint the World Wide Congress of the Others as the official non partisan referees of the Open Hillels vr the Closed Hillels fight.

      As out first ruling we are calling foul on Closed Hillel for this rules violation of black listing objectors to the Israeli occupation of Palestine.

      Confronting Campus Scourge of Anti-Israel Venom
      There's Nothing Wrong With Keeping Track of Biased Professors

      Read more: link to forward.com

  • Deconstructing John Kerry's address to the Gaza Donors Conference
    • '' in effect self-BDSing Israel (the ultimate Boycott from Within), thereby causing a shift back to the more diplomatic “centre-left”. ...Shmuel

      I think that would only happen ' if' some sticks are applied by the nations that start affecting everyday Israeli lives--then they might boycott from within. From what I have read the Isr peace or rational group has been beat down into a hole by the frothing fanatics.

    • Israel shoots its own Hasbara of peace and 2 states in the foot.
      Its always been about securing more land and then managing their 'colonies" for Greater Israel.

      Isr's latest 'plan'.

      link to blogs.forward.com?

      link to ynetnews.com

  • British Parliament votes overwhelmingly to recognize Palestinian state
    • Shmuel
      October 16, 2014, 3:42 am

      On this side of the pond, we call it satire .

      Evidently you don’t appreciate sarcasm

      You mean you aren’t really establishing the World Wide Others Committee? ;-)
      >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

      No, but I got the idea for it from the Carter Center and the 'Elders' as they call themselves that are part of Carter's group of the older and wiser former US leadership.
      They, being former, not current government people, can call things as they see them no matter who or what the subject is

    • Shmuel
      October 14, 2014, 1:04 pm

      American,

      I see the frustration and the logic, but fighting racism with racism is counter-productive. It is only Jewish supremacists and anti-Semites who divide the world into “Jews and others”, and both groups feed off each other.>>>>>>>

      Evidently you don't appreciate sarcasm Shmuel.
      When I ridicule something like that you should know by now who the ridicule is directed at.
      I like to point out the absurdness the evil collective mentality.

      I don't divide Jews and Others --I divide Jews and Jews and Jews and Others and Others and Others.
      Because that is reality----there's rotten apples in every basket.
      I haven't been half as bad btw on Jewish rotten apples as I have been on our own Other rotten apples.
      Wait--- I take that back on second thought---- I have been as bad on the rotten apple Jews as I have been on the rotten apple Others, but not any worse---I think I've ridiculed them equally.

    • Well I have been mulling over testing a new policy/antidote to the Jewish vr Evil Others problem.

      The Others would adopt basically the same policy toward Jews that some Jews & the H-Industry hold in regard to The Others.
      That Others are collectively guilty for all Jewish sufferings--- but a few rare Righteous Gentiles can be found among them and given awards for their righteousness.

      I am busily compiling The World Wide Others Committee awards list for Righteous Jews right now and will publish as soon as complete.

    • Annie Robbins
      October 14, 2014, 8:12 am

      striving for a negotiated, secure settlement with Israel is a waste of time/lost cause. there’s simply no indication israel is willing to even propose borders for their own state.>>>>>

      AMEN.

      The most f.r.u.s.t.r.a.t.i.n.g STUPIDITY re Israel is how many times does the scorpion have to sting the frogs for the f'ing frogs to understand that no matter what the scorpion promises it is going to sting and drown the frog.

    • Ottaway is typical self serving political ass----using hasbara, the H and his dear wife to justify his support of Israel-----but thinking the pubic might be shifting the political tide on Israel and he will be swept out if he doesn't get on the boat-----so he put one foot in.
      However straddling a fence is a good way to get your balls bruised.

      Next up ---labeling those politicians who don't get on the Palestine Justice boat as 'Chamberlin' appeasers...appeasing the new nazis.

    • @ Mayhem

      I would get to encouraged if I were you....cowards never show up and take a side------as this grows the same cowards won't show up to defend you either.

    • Ditto........good to see some official like Duncan talk in blunt terms about the heart of the matter.

    • Maybe this helped too. Some one finally addressed the "Z and I Lobby" buying politics out loud and in public....holy cow! This will scare Israel as much as anything..

      " “The time has come to make sure above any doubt that the funding of any party in the UK is clearly decoupled from the influence of the Israeli state.”

      link to thesundaytimes.co.uk

      Tim Shipman Political Editor Published: 12 October 2014

      DAVID CAMERON’S envoy to the Gulf is to attack the government’s failure to condemn Israel’s settlement building on the West Bank.

      Sir Alan Duncan, a former international development minister, warns that Britain must speak out or risk “a serious long-term price” in the region.

      His comments come as MPs are poised to vote tomorrow to back calls for Britain to recognise Palestine as a state in its own right.

      In a speech at the Royal United Services Institute on Tuesday, Duncan will warn Cameron that groups such as Conservative Friends of Israel (CFI) should not have disproportionate policy influence.

      “We need British Jews for the Conservative, Labour or other UK parties, not the Israeli lobby for any party,” he will say. “The time has come to make sure above any doubt that the funding of any party in the UK is clearly decoupled from the influence of the Israeli state.”

    • just
      October 13, 2014, 8:06 pm

      In some of the speeches today, I felt as though Trevor, Max, MW folks, Dan Cohen, Mads, Joe Catron and so many others had finally been listened to'' >>>>>>>>>>>>>

      I too think Max et al deserve some credit for this..maybe a lot or even most of the credit....they were all over the UK parliament with their testimonies about Gaza.

  • In the last days of 'Operation Protective Edge' Israel focused on its final goal -- the destruction of Gaza's professional class
    • One of the noticeable things about the Zionistas is their psychopathic obsession with destroying not only people but trying to destroy their heritages and history and any accomplishments and all the things that make up their cultures.

      Whether its 'rewriting' their own history or rewriting the Chosen Jews into the founding of America-- or stealing the ancient records of Iraq-- or confiscating all the books in Palestine and putting them in a Israel basement-----it always about 'erasing' someone else's history or culture in order to 'Be Somebody Themselves'.........like they cant "Be Something" as long as others are 'Something'.

      Truly the most vile kind of hubris and envy on earth.

    • Someone explain to me again why after 65 years of pleading with the psychopath Zios and Israel we shouldnt call every resident in Israel and tell them to get out in 2 hours because we are about to reduce Israel to rubble.

      That is the only way to *negotiate* with Israel.

  • Has the 'NYT' editorial board finally decided to tell the truth about the conflict? (No)
    • Only slightly OT--and interesting.

      I heard a NRA ad today on TV. The man speaking had an excellent and educated sounding voice.
      The ad was about how people know today that they cant trust the US media and press, that most reporters are just repeating whatever they are told to say by their employers in the media and press.
      Then it went on about the past when the US press was a guardian of democratic freedoms and we had patriotic men and women who had integrity and believed in delivering the facts and truth to the American people. And then it went on about the corruption in US government and how the press helps cover it up for special interest.

      A really slick ad....because it had truth' in it that verifies what many already know or suspect ....and it wasn't some hard ass screeching about guns rights. One of the best I've seen for 'branding or rebranding' the image of a group.
      The ad went on to define the 5 million members of the US NRA as defenders of democracy and America.

      huummm......maybe we can sic the NRA on the zios.

    • '' “only long-term answer to a destructive militant group like Hamas is to empower moderates and give Palestinians hope of a constructive future…

      LOL........oh yes Its all Hamas's fault.
      Lets see now how many times the US and others have paid to rebuild Israel's destruction while Isr hasnt paid a penny---Lebanon twice and Gaza 2014 make 3 or 4 more times.

      The only way anyone can endure this Zio-Demonic cancer infection is to believe that one day in not too distant future it will be flushed down the toilet.

  • British Parliament to vote on recognition of Palestinian state on Monday
    • HOORAY!.....YAHOO!.....BRAVO!

      Can we assume the UK public disgust with Israel influenced these politicians at least in part.

  • Shlomo Sand resigns from being Jewish. Totally. Mostly. Almost
    • No, I am perfectly capable of changing my opinions on new information---that is why I said my view was always that Jews were those who practiced Judaism.
      But due to the discussions here on how and what different Jews define themselves as, I believe a Jewish culture exist and that is how some Jews define themselves--by the culture, not the religion.

      The HISTORICAL FACT however is there were No Jews prior to Judaism's creation.
      If you can't goggle you can go to any library and look it up that fact in world history books.
      Therefore there was no ethnic culture of Jews ' before' Judaism.
      Therefore any ethnic culture of Jews that some Jews define themselves by ORIGINATED ---or had its nucleus ---in the shared religion.
      Whether or not as it evolved it was any longer connected to the religion itself for some Jews.

      I realize you are joke not a serious person but even you should be able to follow the historical steps and evolution.

      Meanwhile to help you out of your painful contortions, lies actually, on others comments, words and stated views-- humanitarian that I am--- I have called the National Park Service and ask them to look out for a Moose with his antlers stuck up his ass.

    • Annie says.....

      ''I don’t know what you arguing here—that Jews aren’t really Jews if they don’t follow Judaism—- or they are—or what?..American )

      american, that’s not what mooser is arguing, it’s what you think as evidence by

      IMO Jewishness is defined by religion –do they or don't they practice Judaism.

      while you might be powerless to change the way “any Jews define or want to think of themselves.” you are not powerless to change the way you think about it.

      so we’ve all witnessed time and again in these threads right wing jews ‘de-jewing’ secular jews, claiming they are not really jewish and ideas like that based on whether they meet certain criteria like support for zionism or religion or whatever and the way it appears to me here you are basically agreeing with them. and mooser makes the point “And of course, you are powerless to change anything about it, even the way you think about it” and your response is yes?
      ......''

      Well annie you arent "getting it" either.
      I AM NOT THE ONE 'DEFINING' JEWS.

      This Mooser discussion started over whether or not Sands, a non religious Jew, could quit being a Jew.

      I said....so pay attention:

      That 'first'...in my 'opinion' Jews are not a race and that people don't inherit 'religious' genes.

      "Second'....that Jews originally became define as Jews thru Judaism.

      BUT.... that's its possible NON RELIGIOUS Jews define themselves as Jews due their upbringing, heritage, society etc etc...

      I ALSO said that the Jewish religion may have created some of or 'the' Jewish 'culture and traditions' .
      BUT.....Those "cultural traditions " DID NOT HAVE TO REMAIN 'SOLELY' CONNECTED TO RELIGION for Jews as generations progressed.

      So how you get that I am agreeing with:.

      "so we’ve all witnessed time and again in these threads right wing jews ‘de-jewing’ secular jews, claiming they are not really jewish and ideas like that based on whether they meet certain criteria like support for zionism or religion or whatever and the way it appears to me here you are basically agreeing with them. and mooser makes the poin - ""

      Is fricking beyond me.

      I do not personally give a rats ass how Jews or anyone else defines themselves.
      And furthermore I said----> IT IS NOT MY BUSINESS TO TELL JEWS HOW TO DEFINE THEMSELVES.

      IMO....and it is MY OPINION because that is the view I was raised with, most Jews 'were' defined as followers of Judaism.
      Furthermore ---I see absolutely NO CONTRADICTION in saying the that ETHNIC CULTURE component of Jewishness arose *originally * from a shared religion.
      BUT--that as generations passed some Jews 'maintained' much of the traditions and culture that evolved but 'not' the religion.

      If you don't get this you don't know as much about sociology as you think you do.

      And this crap?....'' you are not powerless to change the way you think about it.''

      Who the hell is Mooser or you to tell me I should change .." the way I think" to satisfy the Moosers or whatever the hell the other side of the Mooses is?

      And don't fucking lecture me on 'my opinions' when I state they are' just my opinions' and further state --TO MAKE THAT POINT--that I am not an expert on the subject of Judaism or Jewish culture. That this is just how IT APPEARS TO ME.

      And Do Not fucking try to dictate to me 'what opinion' or rock bottom belief I should hold about Jews or not Jews when they don't even agree among themselves.

      My 'opinions' and what I have said in this discussion --- HAVE LEFT ROOM FOR BOTH SIDES ---THE RELIGIOUS AND NOT RELIGIOUS DEFINING OF JEWS----IN WHAT IS A ' INTER JEWISH' DEBATE.

      I am not going to 'take a side' in the Jews aren't Jews without Judaism or secular Jews are just as Jewish as religious Jews because No 1---I dont care. and No 2--Its not my business.

    • Mooser
      October 15, 2014, 3:09 pm

      “I call it coming from the ”Jewish religious culture’ by looking at the tribe from ancient days to today.”

      So you think those “tribe from ancient days to today” are the same people? What distinguishes them.

      And what are the characteristics of that “Jewish religious culture”. You refuse to answer that and there is a good reason for that..>>>>>

      I will answer you one more time---try to get it.

      It is not about whether they are the same people as ancient days----that's a stupid question.

      The subject was, is there a Jewish culture---coming from religion or not---that has been passed down thru generations of religious or non religious Jews, their families and/or societies .

      Its about did they, the members of Judaism, create and evolve a culture and traditions' in their society' that has been passed down in some parts from generation to generation.
      I say they did.
      Because most every group, religious or not, that defines themselves as any kind of group does have traditions and beliefs that are passed down.

      As for my refusing to answer what I see as characteristics of that “Jewish religious culture” I dont know enough to describe the strictly religious part except the prayers and holidays Jews celebrate related to past events in history.

      What "distinguish them" you want to know? I cant answer that about whatever supper duper stuff there is in Judaism or Jewish society that distinguish them because I'm not in it , I am sure there is much good.

      I can only answer as a gentile on the 'characteristics' gentiles see most often---- 1) the eternal enemies thing and 2) the eternal obsession you are exhibiting right now in picking, picking, picking at the Jew thing with gentiles and even other Jews.

      Gentiles don't like those 2 characteristics directed at them all the time. And just like you dont care whether we like it or not, we don't care that you dont care .....so there you go...even steven.

      If you aren't bored out of your gourd with this nitpicking the Jews thing 24/7 by now something is wrong with you.

    • Mooser
      October 15, 2014, 11:24 am

      “Don’t blame me if its a unexplainable can of worms—they started this stuff not me.”

      And of course, you are powerless to change anything about it, even the way you think about it. So much easier to take their word for it.''>>>

      Actually, I am powerless to change how any Jews define or want to think of themselves.
      I don't know what you arguing here---that Jews aren't really Jews if they don't follow Judaism---- or they are---or what?

      I have already given you my opinion that in my view, from what I know, Jewishness is not a inherited race or ethnic thing. IMO Jewishness is defined by religion --do they or dont they practice Judaism.
      But its not my business to tell a non religious Jew he isnt a Jew when he claims to be by some kind of Jewish cultural heritage.
      Its not my fight and I am pretty certain that there aren't any Jews who care how non Jews view the question of Jewish or not Jewish.
      That's a insiders battle.

    • @ Mooser

      '' So again, what is the “religious’ culture'” of Jews? Being Jewish? ''

      As you know I am not an expert on Judaism, don't pretend to be.
      But the gist of what I have gotten from all discussions (and some research) on this is that some Jews who dont follow Judaism still claim they are Jewish by 'heritage' or blood lines or etc..

      I call it coming from the ''Jewish religious culture' by looking at the tribe from ancient days to today. From when ancient pagans banded together in 'tribes' for survival and society----then became religious One God tribes with different beliefs 'which created' the religious tribe 'cultures'. So non religious Jews can still come from or claim that 'culture' even without the religion.

      As said I don't believe in inheriting ' religious genes.' But a lot, I would say most people believe they 'inherit their cultures'----their 'heritage'.

      That is only way I see that atheist Jews can claim to be Jews---thru the culture--that was 'begun by' Judaism.

      Don't blame me if its a unexplainable can of worms---they started this stuff not me.

    • You could probably add to that that ' minority cultures' sometimes incorporate and chose from several different definitions of themselves depending on what they are seeking---protection, religious recognition, or to claim some rights. Catholic '&'-Hispanic, Christian '&' Arab in the ME and so on.

    • Jews are not a 'race'.....distinct from all other races.
      If they can be defined as anything distinct -- according to all the 'new age' definitions of 'ethnics' ---the shared this and that ethnics is now based on---it would be as a ethnic religious ' culture'......not as a race.
      Secular Jews and zionist who want to define themselves as Jews without Judaism still come from the religious 'culture' of Jews despite their promotion that Jews are some definable separate race.

    • @ Gene

      '' In Sand’s case, having a nostalgia for Israel is not the same as being Jewish.''>>>>>

      Exactly right.

      There is no such thing as a 'religious' gene that people inherit .

    • @ Cliff

      Well, that's nice sentiment --but the fact remains some people do 'refuse to be branded' and revolt against some assigned identity or reject it for another one.

      Christians who become atheist for some reason or atheist who become Christians , people who move and change citizenships, and so on.

      The only thing about a person that might be considered 'indelible ' or unchangeable is his genetic makeup.

    • Clif Brown
      October 12, 2014, 6:43 pm

      Can an identity be dropped? I think that without erasing memory, it can’t.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

      I think you all need to decide what identity you are talking about.
      There is identity (who or what you think you are)--- then there is heritage---- then there is upbringing and so forth----so there can be combinations in identity.

      What if you were adopted as a baby by a Christian French Canadian couple and later you discovered your biological parents were Spanish Catholics? What would your identity be----would you want to keep maintaining that you are a French Canadian Christian because of your 'upbringing' ---- or would you then consider your identity to be Spanish Catholic because of your biological 'heritage?

      You can't change your 'upbringing' ---but people can take on and shed different identities --'how they see or define themselves'----for any reason.

    • The Gentile interpretation of Sand's resignation.

      ''Ugh... I can't take it anymore!!! I am fed up with the mythical shit and lies and being a Jew instead of a Israeli. It's like living in a ethnic asylum of fun house mirrors !
      Let me out!!!''

      Run Sands run.
      You can be or not be whatever you want.

  • Tablet types Rev. Shipman as elite, anti-semitic WASP
    • dding
      October 11, 2014, 9:12 am

      Knowing what we know now about Joe Lieberman’s policies, do you think a vote against him today could be fairly assumed to reflect anti-semitism?>>>>>

      In a word?...No.
      I wasnt involved and didnt know about I/P, the I Lobby, the Zionist the US-Isr scheme when I voted for Lieberman 's ticket in 2000.
      I wouldnt vote for him or any ticket anyone like him was on today knowing what I now know about the Zionist and I=Firstdom foreign loyalty.
      But I wouldnt vote for any I-First Gentiles like him either so I dont consider it anti semitic.

    • '' Yes there’s anti-Semitism in the U.S., I believe it worked against Joseph Lieberman getting the vice presidency""

      I voted for Gore - Lieberman in 2000 and they won the popular vote if I remember correctly but lost the electoral. If there was any a-s at work I think it had to be in pockets of conservative Christian die hards. I think Lieberman's Jewishness was more the same religious handicap that Kennedy's Catholicism was for some people.

      I am probably going to have to consult my shrink sister-in law to figure out if I am a anti semite or not, or if I was a anti semite -in -waiting and my a-s disease hadnt yet surfaced when I voted for Lieberman. Its all too confusing.

  • Jewish groups stand up against media lies about Muslims and police surveillance of Muslims
    • '' America has the potential to be worse than Nazi Germany''''......Giles

      I would have said not 5 years ago, even 2 or 3 years ago.
      But now I see the possibility and if the US does go it will be more chaotic because it will be hyenas , wild dogs, lions and vultures all fighting over the same carcass.

  • Wiesel lauds settlers for 'strengthening the Jewish presence in Jerusalem' -- and expelling Palestinians
    • '' Hey, wait a minute, American, you are saying Gentiles are just like Zionists? Aren’t Zionists exhorted to put the needs of Zionism above their personal pain and sacrifice? Very confused '''.........Mooser

      No. I'm saying the Ivir 'culture'---you can call it the zionist or the H-culture ---is the total opposite of most gentile culture when it comes to how they talk or actually dont talk about pain, loses, their own devastation. His harping on his or descendents Jewish trauma, loses etc. particularly because he isnt even one of the 'real victims' looks like a whiny selfish sympathy ploy to us, and actually disrespectful to the actual victims, not a real and deep pain. Other people dont hang their deepest personal pains and traumas out on a clothes line every day to attract attention or sympathy to themselves.

    • '' Some people here have so much accustomed to belittle the Holocaust and even view it as a cynical “bargaining chip“ to advance the interests of Israel, don`t understand how deeply it affects those that went through it (and their descendant""..ivri

      Let me explain this to you.
      We don't belittle the holocaust, we belittle those of you who constantly carry around the holocaust flag and use it as an excuse/demand for yourselves and Israel.
      Its also evidently somewhat of a culture difference ....in the gentile world its bad form, bad manners, and low class to spill your guts and your personal pain all over other people all the time. We dont see people like that as devastated by their loses, we see them as people who care more about making 'a spectacle' of their lose to draw attention and sympathy for themselves.

    • I think by now Wiesel has proven himself to be a fraud and holocaust 'opportunist.'
      Its a dirty gig but it no doubt pays well.

  • Israel and the g-word
    • Wow, indeed!

    • I think I am getting tired of all the 'political' and legal descriptions, arguments , and the zionist, anti zionist , liberal , blah, blah , blah comparisons and all the other nit picking and parsing that is just a waste of time.
      They are bullies period.
      They need the shit beat out of them.

      'If You're a bully, I'm going to fight You'

      link to middleeastmonitor.com

      "This doesn't mean I am acting out some kind of hostility with those groups", he clarifies. "I just don't feel any loyalty to anyone because of who they are – no intellectual should be taken seriously if they do." While many of those who attack Israel's critics speculatively ascribe sinister or personal motivations, Max is dismissive of such ad hominem.

      "If people really want to know what motivates me and the position I've taken, it shouldn't require some rich explanation or ideology. It's not about having 'Jewish issues' with the way I was raised, or even necessarily deep identification with Palestinian culture. All you need to feel is disgust with unfairness: it's just not fair the way Palestinians are being treated." In other words, Max explains, he is applying the way he was raised to this seminal issue. "If you're a bully, I'm going to fight you."

      ..Max Blumenthal

  • NY rabbi implores those in her congregation who are joining Israel's enemies to love the country
    • Typical.
      Heard one Zio whine, tribal glorification, conflating of Amercia loyalty with Israel loyalty for Jews and a-s-enemies justification for Israel-- heard 'em all.
      Same old retarded spiel every time.

  • Following shocking sermon, Atlanta JVP calls on area rabbis to challenge racism in Jewish community
    • '' These people should be ostracized and shunned. They serve mankind no useful purpose.''''...amigo

      I totally agree. I said here long ago that the zionist ( and that goes for any like them) should be 'shunned'---ostracized from civil society.

      A person or two jumped me for this, saying shunning was bad, it was 'alienating' people.....
      I think they need to be alienated, rejected socially, politically and business wise..
      Stamped 'unacceptable to civil societies'.

    • I commend JVP's constant efforts--and call me a cynic or a realist --- but I think they are chipping away at a concrete wall with cotton swabs.
      Here we have a Rabbi (with his BOD's approval obviously) who are inciting people to literally 'annihilate' a group of others.

      If any kind of humane appeal would work on these people then they wouldnt do what they do to begin with.

      You cant keep 'respectfully appealing'--according any respect at all-- to people who have nothing inside them to appeal to...it just doesn't work.

      ''civility is for dancing classes''

  • David Brooks's son joining Israel army is an 'extreme case' -- NYT public editor
    • I naturally disagree with the tribalist Rosenthal-- but I also disagree with Sullivan in this...

      ''In general, I agree with Mr. Rosenthal about columnists and their family members. I don’t think readers usually need to know what the spouses of columnists think or what brothers do for a living, or whether a daughter has joined the U.S. Army. ""

      Anyone who is given a 'public platform' from which he can influence or misinform the pubic --columnist, politicians, whoever, ---should have to reveal any and all interest that may be 'conflicts of interest'.

      The conflicts of interest rule is another democratic tool that has been destroyed by special interest, ethic identities and etc..

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