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  • This war was not a war, it was a massacre
    • The Intercept: Why Israel's bombardment of Gaza neighborhood left US officers 'stunned'

      link to link to

      "“Holy bejeezus,” exclaimed retired Lt. Gen. Robert Gard when told the numbers of artillery pieces and rounds fired during the July 21 action. “That rate of fire over that period of time is astonishing. If the figures are even half right, Israel’s response was absolutely disproportionate.” A West Point graduate who is a veteran of two wars and is the chairman of the Center for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation in Washington, D.C., he added that even if Israeli artillery units fired guided munitions, it would have made little difference."

  • 'New Yorker' limits its expose of Israel lobby to AIPAC
    • Article is bs.
      Trying to 'regroup' the Jews for Israel.
      Since Isr's murder at will rules of war offended some of them.
      There are no good zionist.

  • Gaza goyim jailbreak
    • '' My wife’s clan are privileged but civic-minded people, and what’s stopped them in the past is the Don’t-criticize-someone-else’s-family taboo, plus the anti-Semite label. "..Phil

      What is interesting is that most intelligent goys of good will wouldnt have considered criticizing Israel, even though its the so called jewish state, to be the same as an attack on Jews in the US...until they got propagandized into considering them one and the same some where along the line.

    • chris_kAugust 26, 2014, 7:30 pm
      I’m a goy and I for one don’t mind the term for amusement.

      An American… We the goyim should be concerned about our country’s policies and feel enfranchised to speak about them, and about the policies of other countries including “allies,” obvious though not followed in practice as this site documents.''>>>>

      I am a goy and couldnt care less about being referred to as a goy either. Its nothing of importance.
      And yes goys should should be raising hell with their politicians over the Isr problem.
      But I think goys can comprehend the holocaust just like we can feel for what is happening to people in Gaza today.
      What goys and everyone else has to reject or refuse to accept is the holocaust as a excuse or entitlement for zionist and Israel's actions .

  • Palestinian-American teen denied access to Israel’s airport
    • '' that Israeli security no longer considered her an American citizen with American travel privileges''

      Unsurprising. Israel thinks it can make up laws for everyone, zionism has made up its own language, its own definitions, its own morality, its own history, its own interpretation of international law, ------its an alien cult that will never fit in with the majority world.
      It needs to be de-commissioned as a zionist nation so maybe One State, even it takes a while to end Jewish rule, is the way to go.

  • 'NYT' journey to Israel/Palestine to be led by Israeli 'expert' who called on countrymen to 'kill and kill' Palestinians
    • '' The ‘featured expert’ of NYT readers trip to Israel-Palestine is Arnon ‘the Arab counter’ Soffer''

      To be expected..but still alarming how thoroughly the zionist have taken over prominent US press. But then the Z-cult has been at since 1948, they had to control the public information outlets in order to dominate and subvert the US for Israel.

      ". . . whenever the people are well-informed, they can be trusted with their own government; that, whenever things get so far wrong as to attract their notice, they may be relied on to set them right.".......Thomas Jefferson

      I am already imagining how they are going to lie about the cause of whatever finally happens in the US that does attract the notice of the public regarding Israel and zionism.

  • Since the beginning of 'Operation Protective Edge' in Gaza, Israeli forces have also injured at least 2,139 Palestinians in the West Bank
    • Max Blumenthal@MaxBlumenthal · 19h

      Gaza has been hit 59,973 times by Israeli missiles and munitions since the start of Operation Protective Edge:
      link to

      Totally obvious that Isr is bombing just to destroy......their bombers arent given targets, they are just bombing at will.

  • Hillary Clinton just lost the White House in Gaza -- same way she lost it in Iraq the last time
    • I have an excellent idea on how to' trap' candidates as 'traitors' and have it blow up in public....but on the 1 in a trillion chance some patriot group might decide to do this to get their candidate elected I am not telling.

    • Lets reverse that whataboutery gibberish.

      What about the US helping to over throw Lybia for less violence on its public than Israel is inflicting on Gaza?

      So what about that whataboutery zios...huummm?

    • '' Because elections are always on domestic issues.''

      A candidate who 'can connect' in the public's mind the impact of US foreign policy on americans welfare in domestic policies could win.
      Because the public is according to everything we see and hear increasingly against foreign involvement, paying for foreign involvement, warring for foreign interest.

      "America First" would sweep the electorate, people are asking for it----unfortunately there is no candidate on the scene who will make that their platform because thats not where the big donor money is.

      So all we will get is the usual song and dances about single issues on domestics and not the big picture on what happens and has happened to domestics because of foreign adventures and etanglements.

  • A visit to the East Jerusalem hospital treating children injured by Israeli strikes on Gaza
    • This might help explain where those Palestines Hamas executed for spying for Isr came from. Spy for us or we will let your child die of cancer..spy for us or we will let you go blind. Add in their harvesting of Palestine organs and you are right there on par with the mentality of nazi Dr. Mengle.

      link to

      Middle East: Israel's secret police pressuring sick Gazans to spy for them, says report
      · Treatment only offered to would-be informants
      · Patients allowed to cross the border drops sharply

      Israel's secret police are pressuring Palestinians in Gaza to spy on their community in exchange for urgent medical treatment, according to a report released today by an Israeli human rights organisation. Physicians for Human Rights says the Shin Bet began interrogating Palestinian patients seeking permission to travel from Gaza to Israel for crucial medical help after Israel blockaded and then declared the tiny territory an enemy entity more than a year ago. Refusal to cooperate often results in the denial of medical treatment. Based on the testimonies of more than 30 Palestinians - 11 of which are published - the report says the Shin Bet is using coercion and extortion to force patients to collaborate.

      "After all my responses he said to me: 'I want to talk to you openly when you return from Israel so that you will have an acceptable reputation on the Israeli side. Either you make contact with me and agree to my demands, or you will not get any medical treatment which will cause you to be blind and you will become a burden to your family and friends,'" Wahidi said in his affidavit. But he said he refused and was forced to return to Gaza without receiving any treatment. Now the 28-year-old, who married a year and a half ago, is completely blind in his right eye and losing the vision in his overstrained left eye.

      He is one of an unknown number of patients from Gaza who have been denied medical treatment after refusing to inform on their friends, neighbours and relatives. Many patients feel they are being forced to choose between preserving their life or protecting their community. Physicians for Human Rights says such pressure amounts to coercion and extortion. International law forbids the use of civilians in conflict to damage an enemy state and collaboration in the Palestinian community is a crime punishable by death.

  • Jodi Rudoren loves a winner
    • Ditto.
      Just end it whatever it takes.
      The longer it goes on the worse the eventual end will be for everyone.

  • Mr. Netanyahu, what is your endgame?
    • '' Tell us Israel, the greater Jewish good – defined – as what?''

      You should understand it by now.
      For those that claim leadership of the Jewish people and for many who signed up with them its about power....and money and prestige...its about being top dogs in the world. Its about the sissy kid who always got picked on becoming a heavyweight champion and revenging all his old grudges.
      This is the culmination of Jewish victimhood culture mixed with a form of choseness armed to the teeth and led by a Zionist Mafia unconstrained by any laws or morality.
      This is what they call good for the Jews.

  • 'NYT' op-ed calls on Jews to abandon liberal Zionism and push for equal rights
    • Zionist lie to everyone....liberal zionist lie to themselves.

    • In that case Congress will just give Isr more of our money. ..count on it.

    • I agree that liberal zionism is nothing but a cover because it still insist and believes in ethnic Jewish rule and a 'government enforced' majority of Jews.

      But I am lerry of how one state would work without a long period of apartheid going on and a internal war for Arab/Muslim equal rights. A state and society like Israel is not going to give up jewish rule and supremism in a one state solution.

  • In Photos: Thousands pack Rafah streets for funeral of top Hamas commanders
    • So what?
      Israel executes by bombing, Hamas executes by whatever, ISIS and Isr's new friend, Saudi executes by beheading....

      link to

      Saudi Arabia: Surge in Executions
      19 Beheaded in 17 Days; 8 for Nonviolent Offense

      (Beirut) – Saudi Arabia has executed at least 19 people since August 4, 2014. Local news reports indicate that eight of those executed were convicted of nonviolent offenses, seven for drug smuggling and one for sorcery.

  • Entitled ideology supporting 'incineration' of Gaza resonates with Nazi ideology -- Siegman
    • lysias says:
      August 21, 2014 at 12:45 pm
      The taboo against pointing out the increasingly obvious similarities between Nazi and Zionist ideology has broken down>>>>

      I never went by that taboo anyway but glad to see someone like Seigman being blunt about it...about time.

      This is the next thing that has to fall:
      ''It seems not to have occurred to them that this sense of special entitlement that characterizes their behavior resonates an ideology that led to the Holocaust even as they invoke the memory of the Holocaust''

      The special entitlement has to end....its the crux of the problem among it supporters.

  • Despite ravages of war, Gaza supports armed resistance to lift the siege
    • My guess about mj's anger is he got trounced here by the commenters when he got on his holocaust high horse. People took him to task for his insistence that the world bow down to the Jews as the most special important and only victims on earth worth talking about.

  • No justice, no peace -- in Gaza or Ferguson
  • 'Absolutely not!' -- Young Colorado Jews meet hostility when they try to talk to organizational leaders
    • 'It’s once again very subjective on my part, but behind the pretexts embroidered with a victimography, there seems to me to be an absolute refusal to consider a possibility of catastrophic Jewish failure. That just doesn’t happen anymore.'''

      Humm...that is the impression I get also. That they believe they can continue their domination plans and no one will ever stop them.
      I call it delusional....those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

    • no I didnt see that article, missed it.
      but its a good case for moderation of blog posters.

    • This is interesting. My first thought when I see a way out anti semite statement on a thread is that it is a zio provocateur. I would not be surpirsed if this was a hasbara tactic.

      link to

      The Double Identity of an "Anti-Semitic" Commenter
      Smearing a Progressive Website to Support Israel

      Like many other news websites, Common Dreams has been plagued by inflammatory anti-Semitic comments following its stories. But on Common Dreams these posts have been so frequent and intense they have driven away donors from a nonprofit dependent on reader generosity.
      A Common Dreams investigation has discovered that more than a thousand of these damaging comments over the past two years were written with a deceptive purpose by a Jewish Harvard graduate in his thirties who was irritated by the website's discussion of issues involving Israel.
      His intricate campaign, which he has admitted to Common Dreams, included posting comments by a screen name, "JewishProgressive," whose purpose was to draw attention to and denounce the anti-Semitic comments that he had written under many other screen names.
      The deception was many-layered. At one point he had one of his characters charge that the anti-Semitic comments and the criticism of the anti-Semitic comments must be written by "internet trolls who have been known to impersonate anti-Semites in order to then double-back and accuse others of supporting anti-Semitism"--exactly what he was doing. (Trolls are posters who foment discord.)
      The impersonation, this character wrote, must be part of an "elaborate Hasbara setup," referring to an Israeli international public-relations campaign. When Common Dreams finally confronted the man behind the deceptive posting, he denied that he himself was involved with Hasbara.
      His posting on Common Dreams illustrates the susceptibility of website comment threads to massive manipulation. As another illustration, he even audaciously tricked the white-supremacist Vanguard News Network, posing as "DeShawn S. Williams," a "Pro-White/Black, anti-jew." One of "DeShawn S. Williams" profile pictures on the Vanguard News Network.On Vanguard, where this African-American persona posted more than 1,400 times, he encouraged the ......

  • We must disrupt the status quo (and that's why I sat in at Sen. Feinstein's office)
    • Very good.

      Except for....."And to declare that if the Israeli government will not participate in talks with that unity government, then they will no longer vote to support any further American aid of any sort be provided to Israel."

      End all aid more stally- stally talking.
      And if necessary send the US military to remove all illegal settlers and stuff them back into Israel 's original boundaries, period.
      Thats the only way you are going to get 'peace'.

      P.S. And no US economic aid to Israel for having to house their illegal settlers.

  • Ari Shavit calls out every brutality, except the ones Israel is complicit in
    • kay24,

      Its a lot more than that....and probably 2 trillion by now.

      Economist tallies swelling cost of Israel to US
      By David R. Francis, Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor December 9, 2002

      ''Since 1973, Israel has cost the United States about $1.6 trillion. If divided by today's population, that is more than $5,700 per person.''

      full article to

    • I think we covered this before. They want democracy in the US and elsewhere where they are in the minitory because it's good for Jews if there is no majority rule---they want Jewish supremism in Israel because they believe in Jewish supremism.

    • How much would it cost to give lobotomies to x million zionist?
      Maybe our 3 + billion spent on Israel would cover it.
      I think surgery is the only cure for the cult members.

  • Dead American soldier in IDF signed up to fight global jihadists plotting 'Holocaust 2.0'
    • As part of my animal rescue duties I had to take a dog away from a lady yesterday .
      The woman evidently suffers from extreme hypochondria and projects this onto her dog...she was going to 3 different vets and over medicating the dog to the point of poisoning him, along with homopathic 'cures' she giving him on the recommendation of her old vet in vet finally realized what she was doing when she brought in a prescription bottle from another vet and started to investigate.
      There was nothing wrong with the dog originally and she had literally made him sick by insisting on medications for imagined aliments.

      Pay attention anti semitism obsessive're going to lose your dog.

  • 'Lesson: The Jews will defend themselves even if it means killing children'
    • The most overused and incorrect descriptions re Isr and zionist:

      Only Democracy
      Defensive war
      Higher standards
      Disputed territory
      Anti semitism

    • seafoid says:
      August 20, 2014 at 10:47 am
      It was a war of choice as well. Nothing to do with defence.


      It cant even be classified as a 'war'. A 'war' implies national armies fighting other national "armies".
      What Isr does is "militarily put down" any uprisings in a area they have illegally blockaded.

    • '' It seems safe to me to say that if anyone who doesn’t have a full and updated education in the laws of war informs you about how what the IDF does is illegal etc, they are probably talking through their hat comfortable that you, too, don’t know enough to call them out. The laws of war, like any branch of law, is a professional field, and it takes training and practice to be good at it.''>>>>>>

      He obviously knows the laws of war.
      He's either stupid, or thinks the people his audience is stupid.
      I cant remember how long ago the Isr settlements were ruled "Illegal' under International Law----but the zios still to this day refer to them as disputed.
      So much for the zio brain and Isr understanding of 'laws'.

      I can hardly tolorate reading any zionist' intellectuals'---its all jibberish .

    • A Special Place in Hell
      by Bradley Burston

      Israel will be better off when my generation is dead
      Someday, a new generation will arise in Israel, look at what we've been doing, and say to my generation: You had your chance. You blew it. You're done.

      link to

      The new generation from all current indications wont be any better. They've been raised on racism, Jewish supremism, greed and violence.

    • '' Say that in order to end Nazism you had to kill 70,000 (not a few hundred) innocent, non-German civilains, Frenchmen, say. Would that be defensible? 70,000 dead French civilians, all inocent, many children, to end Nazism and as a by-product also end the Holocaust? Would that be moral? Permissable? ''>>>>

      Lozowick doesnt get that Israel is the Nazis in this situtation.
      If you're a delusional zionist cult member you cant be very intellectual.

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  • Lobbyist tells Eliot Engel he has 'the blood of hundreds of Palestinian children on his hands'
    • ' And now some of you might consider the traditional forms of lobbying a little too tame for your lights. Let a thousand flowers bloom. I think you all know how to step up the tactics, and step up the tactics we need to do."">>>>

      Yahoo!! Absolutely.

      ""And I told him that he had the blood of hundreds of Palestinian children on his hands. And you know what he did? He just shrugged it off and got on the elevator.""

      Add traitor to this country. Traitor should be how we address them all..loudly and publically.
      Go for the jugular....we have nothing to lose, they dont represent americans anyway, only their donors and personal agendas.

  • Video: Gaza forces young Jew to overcome 'giant hostile ferocious backlash' of her community
    • tree says:
      August 17, 2014 at 1:18 am
      …I could not fathom that the Jewish people… could do anything bad, and if they did they must have had a justification for it.

      This is the crux of the problem for many American Jews (and even for some American gentiles).

      That is the crux of the problem for the tribe. And it keeps getting passed down from generation to generation.
      I can't understand it....anyone who believes there is any distinct 'group' of humans on earth who as a 'group' are eternal innocents, who have never done wrong and are morally superior to other humans, has to be crazy or engaged in cult thinking.
      The actions of the Jewish state should have busted that kind of thinking wide open long ago.

  • Checking under Israel's Iron Dome
    • RoHa,

      It is a agency commissioned by congress under the misleading name of "US Commission for Preservation of America's Heritage Abroad".

      But all its projects are keeps up memorials, graves, plaques, historial jewish sites all over the world. Nothing to do with 'American heritage....strictly European Jews and 'Jewish' heritage. Another tapayer funded giveaway for Jews.

      I came across it when researching who in congress kept cutting funds for the upkeep of WWII graves of American soliders buried in Europe.
      Here is their site:
      link to

    • Earlier this year congress voted Isr 600 million for Iron Dome
      During the Gaza slaughter congress voted Isr another 250 million.

      Add it up...3.1 billion in regular aid
      Another close to 3/4 of a billion in other aid; grants to Isr colleges, grants for energy, grants for combined US-Isr research, Bird and Bard grants for Isr start ups and companies; grants for resettlement of Isr jewish immigrants (yes, still going on), grants for Jewish heritage preservation overseas (US Heritage Agency)..cant even list them all.
      Plus Iron Dome
      Plus surplus equipment from US overseas operations.
      Plus Isr use of the 1 billion weapon cache in Isr
      Plus use of US courts for Us Jews to sue countries and companies for compensation for various claims.
      Plus US contributions to UN for rebuilding Isr destruction in Gaza and Lebanon (twice now)..soon to be three times.

      The most destructive, insatiable parasite the world has ever known. Isr should be dismantled and zionist scattered to wander in the desert...forever.
      How are the zionist diferent from the nazis?....the nazis at least paid their own way.....the world pays for the zionist to do what they do.

    • '' and to squeeze more money out of Congress.''

      Is the explaination.
      There have been numerous articles by experts over the years on the fallacy of the Iron Dome.
      $$$$$...the parasite never sleeps....blood and and blood.

  • Palestine posters archive nominated to UNESCO Memory of the World program
  • The catastrophe inflicted on Gaza--and the costs to Israel's standing
  • Top legal scholars decry 'chilling' effect of dehiring scholar Salaita
  • Israel's foundation in a 'terroristic campaign of expulsion, ethnic cleansing and murder' is the 'deep wound in that part of the world' -- Sullivan
    • Good for Sullivan for going to the 'original sin' in Israel's creation.
      Too bad our media is so corrupt it cant be explained to the public as exactly what it was and is....if it could be, Isr would have about .01% support in the Us.

  • New J Street platform parrots Likud as membership continues to shift left
    • Dont waste your time protesting to J- Street......their goal is to keep up US support of Isr regardless---same as AIPAC.
      Do something positive like putting up Wanted Posters around your town of I-First politicians who are traitors to the US.....:):):)

    • Also......calling out the most guilty politicians
      link to
      "accusations of un-American loyalties"---Charles Schumer
      "Finally, as to the tone of Senator Dole's article, I cannot help but take offense at it ... When he criticizes Israel's supporters for not being more concerned with America, this smacks of accusations of un-American loyalties in the days when ... Jews were accused of being loyal only to Israel .’’
      March 1990 -

      ''The $3 billion earmarked for economic and military aid to Israel each year since the mid-1980s has seldom, if ever, been questioned publicly by members of Congress. Indeed, even though the foreign aid budget has dropped from about $20 billion in 1985 to roughly $16 billion in the current fiscal year, pressure from the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) and other pro-Israel groups has ensured that aid to Israel remained untouched. Now, however, Senate Minority Leader Robert Dole (R-KS) has floated a proposal that could dramatically reshape the US foreign aid program.''
      AIPAC Backlash
      ''The Kansas Republican's proposal was lambasted by AIPAC only hours after it was first released, and a number of pro-Israel congressmen joined in the condemnations. Instead of reducing aid to Israel to bolster the Eastern European countries, AIPAC suggested in a statement, Congress should increase the size of the foreign. aid budget.''

      link to

      I think the days when the zionist could use the ‘anti semitism’ slur on those standing up for US interest (and humanitarian values) is coming to an end.
      Schumer can take all the offense he wants---If the glove fits we must convict.

    • But ......there may be a revolt coming from the formerly PEPs.....the Dkos home site of the progressives is doing not just a 180 on I/P, but also attacking any censorship of Isr or lobby criticism by ziobots and the I-orgs.

      Can it be that the PEP’s are even turning on the Isr issue

      ‘’HOLY CRAP...Obama halts hellfire missiles to Israel’’

      link to


      Some top rated comments .....reflective of 99.99% of them all.

      [Netanyahu's arrogance is nauseating. (138+ / 0-)
      And our government is so dysfunctional, I wouldn't be surprised if Bib felt
      he has standing to sue the president to get our tax payer funded missiles to
      restock his arsenal]

      [ So Israel is bragging that it has people inside (158+ / 0-)
      the US government operating to subvert the President of the United States
      and his administration?
      Well, they said it, dontcha know.]

      [ They don't even hide it anymore (97+ / 0-)
      why do they get to subvert our sovereignty like this? Because from where I
      sit, that's what it is]

      [ But don't say Israel has power over the US (89+ / 0-)
      That would be excoriated as ZOG conspiracy theory.
      The Israeli government can say, it however.
      Can we hide rate Bibi?]

      “If there is no justice for the people, may there be no peace for the
      Excellent point MrJayTee. I hope we can all agree (82+ / 1-)
      Hidden by:debedb
      by now that the accusation of "Zionist Owned Government" is a totally
      invalid basis for labeling someone to be ant-semitic and HR'ing them.
      The invention and propagation of ZOG as a criteria or HR and Bans has been
      one of the most flagrant abuses of or moderation and TU system I've ever
      All of us, including myself, who sat by silently and did nothiting while
      innocents where inappropriately HR'd and possible even banned for suggesting
      an organized lobby of pro-Israeli (pro-Netanyahu really) exercised
      disproportionate political influence on American politicians, and government
      policy were wrong.
      I so one new person, pounded what within minutes became a gang of over a
      dozen who auto-banned the person with a deluge o HRs for suggesting AIPAC
      had too much influence when dozens of Democratic Senators joined Republicans
      to denounce Obama and side with Netanhayu over our President stating what
      U.S. policy on the 1967 borders has been or over 20 years.
      I was too intimidated to get involved, even though I could see such HR abuse
      was clearly wrong. For this I apologize and am ashamed.
      We still have a group who apparently maintains a secret list of what they
      consider to be banned publications they HR and threaten to have banned
      anyone who even links to an article in it.
      I've been meaning to speak to the power that be to see if this has been
      endorsed as claimed, but haven't got to it yet.
      I was reminded last night as I read one of the best scholarly analysis on
      the Gaza peace talks I've ever read, in on of these banned so callded
      "anti-semitic" journals that in this case seems to me to be anti-Netanyahu
      and Likud, but not bigoted in any detectable way except to characterize
      Netanyahu's neocon extremism in devastatingly accurate terms.
      Thanks for your courage MrJayTee. If anyone HRs you I will support your
      right to free speech]

    • J-Street, another wolf in sheep's clothing....eom.

  • 15 airplanes to fly over NY and NJ beaches with Israeli flags and We Love Israel banner
    • Calm down, I am not suggesting he actually do it.....just saying what idiots on the ground have done with lasers aimed at a/c.

    • @ Citzen,

      No but if you had a strong laser you could try to blind the pilot, make him not be able to see his instruments, maybe panic and crash. There was a rash of that going on a few years ago...people aiming their lasers at a/c from the ground.

  • Israel got tank shell that killed 20 at UN school from US without Obama's approval -- WSJ bombshell
    • Keith Rowe is now not available to answer any

    • This will explain it...

      Read more: link to

      When Israel cracks into its U.S.-funded weapons stockpile, even Obama doesn't hear about it.


      ''Putting aside for the moment the question of why Israel—after only three weeks of battling vastly inferior Hamas forces—would need to replenish tank shells, WRSA-I is a strategic boon to Israel. The process is streamlined: No 60-day congressional notification is required, and there’s no waiting on delivery.
      The WRSA process is so efficient, in fact, according to a story published earlier this week in the Wall Street Journal, that the White House, to its chagrin, was unaware that last month’s WRSA transfer had even occurred.
      When WRSA was created, the stockpile was conceived as weapons systems and ammunition for rapid deployment to American forces in the region, and contained $100 million worth of U.S. military materiel. At Israel’s behest, over the years Congress has significantly plussed-up the program, and successive U.S. administrations have executed the legislative authorization. Next year, that value of WRSA-I should reach $1.2 billion.
      Today, WRSA-I is intended to meet primarily Israeli, not American, military contingencies.

      In large part, this repurposing was due to the efforts of an unsung mid-level Pentagon bureaucrat named Keith Rowe.
      At nearly 400 pounds, this tobacco-dipping former U.S. postal worker would seem an unlikely player in such an important U.S. policy initiative. An Evangelical Christian—something he didn’t necessarily advertise to his co-workers—Keith may have held some spiritual affinity for the Jewish state.
      Keith served as Israel director in the Defense Security Cooperation Agency or DSCA, a bureau in the Office of the Secretary of Defense responsible for weapons sales to foreign countries, and was an expert in the arcane “how-tos” of transferring weapons to allies.

      In 2006, during the Israel-Hezbollah war, Keith pioneered an innovative bureaucratic technique within existing U.S. law to allow the Jewish state to utilize the U.S. stockpile. Along the way, he established the precedent for shipping U.S. weapons from Israel to Israel—without the need for a cumbersome, politically fraught signoff from the White House.''

    • '' So is the special relationship at an end? What will the Obama administration do to make that happen, and to educate the American public about the influence of a passionate faction over US policymaking?''

      No its not at an end and Obama will do little to nothing =$$$ for Dems = lots of money for Isr, lots of weapons, lots of dead enemy children.
      Some day we will kill all the monsters...but not any time soon.
      A few more things have to happen to get there.

  • The Walzer Problem
    • There have been Just War theories prescribed by everyone and their brothers since
      400 BCE
      link to

      I think the one most people would go with is the one that says a war 'fought' to defend yourself or a war 'launched' to protect the innocent or a war ' in the name of justice" to right wrongs is the most just.

      Walzer's theory doesnt seem much different from some of the rest thruout history but I am always looking for any contridictions and weaknesses in those who set themselves up as moral guides on war. I dont think Walzer can be totally honest because his emotional attachment to Israel will always throw a kink in his judgements:

      link to
      ''Among the various communities that Walzer belongs to, perhaps his deepest personal connection is with the American Jewish community. He also travels regularly to Israel, and he defends its right to self-determination. In Just and Unjust Wars, he deems Israel's role in the 1967 Six-Day War a fitting one and a good victory. Still, he is critical of the nation's current policy. He commented that when he and his wife, the literary scholar and former provost of the New School, Judith Walzer, first visited Israel in 1957, "it was a much smaller country." The 1967 victory, he said, "opened the way for Israeli right-wingers and religious Messianists to adopt an expansionist politics that I have been critical of since Day 1, since the first settlement."
      In keeping with his view that "what most people need is a state of their own," he believes that there should be a Palestinian state, although he remarks this is not disinterested: "There is a sense in which Israel needs a Palestinian state right now more than the Palestinians do, because Israel won't be a Jewish state unless it is a smaller state."

      ''One of Walzer's first articles in Dissent was a criticism of the French in Algeria, and when I pressed him that a critic now might see Israel's relation to the Palestinians similarly, he retorted, "Yes, but no one who criticized French policy in Algeria called the existence of France into question." Too often, he added, the European left is hostile toward Israel''

      IMO, I would have called it a Just War or 'intervention '' if the US had shot down the Israeli bombers to prevent the bombardment of Gaza civilians when it became undeniable that Isr was deliberately and randomly targeting civilians and civilian areas without any proof or evidence of Hamas in those areas.

      If you want to be a 'numbers' person even, and would consider the Israeli pilots somewhat innocent in that they were only following orders of their government then x number of dead Isr pilots vr 300 dead children alone would tip the scales for me on whether that would be considered a just act.

      I doubt Walzer would go along with that. But would be ineresting to see how he answer that if put to him point blank...just intervention?-yes or no.

    • Short version....Walzer lies and obfuscates from his academic perch.
      Academica needs a good purging.
      There are so few in it these days worthy of respect.

  • We must target our politicians' 'cowardice' in the face of war crimes --Trevor Hogan's impassioned speech in Dublin
    • link to

      (JTA) — Congregants at a synagogue in the Hamptons on New York’s Long Island pledged more than $1 million at a fundraiser for Israel.
      The money raised at the Aug. 9 gathering following Shabbat at The Hampton Synagogue in Westhampton Beach will go to the UJA-Federation of New York’s Israel Emergency Fund, which assists organizations that provide medical treatment and economic support for Israelis in the wake of conflict.
      “I am humbled and overwhelmed with gratitude and pride over the show of support by our congregation, that realizes the depths of the trauma — of the pain and suffering of Israelis — and reached deep to help however they could during this tragic and terrible crisis,” the synagogue’s rabbi, Marc Schneier, said in a news release.>>>>

      "".. depths of the trauma — of the pain and suffering of Israelis'''???? — well almost lost my lunch on this one.

      I am sure if US Muslim mosques are raising money for Gaza victims they are being labled Hamas terrorist supporters and wont even be able to get their money out of the US to Gaza and will be investigated by half a dozen US agencies...and oh yeah, also called anti semitic and in a plot to wipe out the Jews and Israel.

      Up is down, wrong is right, black is the new white....Orwell had a crystal ball.

    • AMEN,AMEN,AMEN...what I been saying and saying.

      Maybe we need to organize the Irish here the US on this.

  • Brothers herding sheep on village lands are struck by Israeli explosive-- one dies
  • Zoabi, subject of police investigation, decries 'jingoistic consensus' gripping Israeli Jewish public
  • Have I failed to acknowledge Palestinian violence?
    • I will worry about Palestine violence if they are ever as well weaponized as Israel and have something besides toy rockets and suiciding themselves to fight Israel with.

  • US branch of the Jewish 'family' owes the homeland 'unconditional love' -- Rosner
    • Hmmm...I am curious about something.

      We are always seeing these appeals to US Jews by us, stick with the family, so on.
      But I havent ever seen any appeals to the general American public to support Israel...not a single one. We have never seen a NYT or other headline... 'Israel calls on Americans to stand by them" we have seen from Isr to US Jews

      Interesting since they are always claiming that the 'american public totally supports israel'.
      So if they really thought that was true they would making that big appeal to the triple millions of the public to pressure Obama on Israel.
      But they go after the Obama adm directly not thru trying to drum up pressure from the non jewish US public..
      The only other thing we see re from Isr to the general US public is the media propaganda aimed at us.

      What do I surmise from this?....I surmise that the last thing on earth Isr and the zios want is to actually attract too much attention of non jewish americans to Isr and P/I.
      Thats why we dont see any Isr or zio generated appeals to the US public at large.

      Isr and the zios have steered way clear of accusing the US public of not supporting Israel enough for a reason...they think it would back fire.

    • '' I saw these pieces as thoughtful if sad entries in a long-running debate over what Zionism means, not whether Jews deserve a homeland.'''

      ..''debate over what zionism means''.....gawd!
      If brilliance isnt in you baffle yourself with bullshit...forever and ever Amen.

    • Yep...just plain narcissism doesnt really describe it in full any more.

    • Max B. in tweet asks where in the US were these Jews radicalized?
      All youth are more or less stupid until they learn by experience. I blame the parents.

      IN PHOTOS: 108 future Israeli soldiers make aliyah
      The young men and women are among 338 Jews who arrive in Israel from the U.S. and Canada on Tuesday.

      link to

  • Fatelessness
    • '' We who faithfully follow the Israel/Palestine conflicts through the thick and thin of persecutors and peace processors, suspect that the plans are there, some perhaps not unlike those envisioned by Moshe Feiglin and Giora Eiland. Fortunately, the will, on the part of Israel to put such plans into action is not there – at least not yet, and probably not as long as internal consensus has not been achieved.''>>

      I think internal consensus has been achieved in the Israeli government and a large segment of its society.......Israel has just not yet found world powers willing to let them go quite that far...or who would foot the bill for their transfer solutions.
      Various plans for the final transfer or disposal of Palestines from their land have been out for a number of years. One particularly odious one under the guise of a 'humanitarian solution' (below).

      The Israel premise for the humanitarian transfer begins with a familiar refrain----if you want to make German or Jewish holocaust comparsions to Gaza and Palestines.

      ’’Dispassionate analysis of Palestinian behavior for well over the last half-century strongly supports the heretical assertion that the Palestinians are neither genuinely desirous nor deserving of statehood. ‘’

      Sounds to me like 1938....

      “Dispassionate analysis of Jewish behavior for well over a century strongly supports the heretical assertion that the Jews are neither suitable for nor genuinely desirous or deserving of German citizenship.’’

      link to
      Jerusalem Summit Organization
      Redefining the Palestinian Problem----(a humanitarian ‘transfer’ solution)
      28 August 2005

      link to
      link to

  • Watch: Young Israeli Jew at Western Wall calls for 'another war and another war and another war and another war'
    • '' an existing political conflict'..hoppie

      This isnt a political conflict--this is Israel stealing Palestine land and killing Palesitnes so they can steal more land.
      A bit more than political.

    • Two dead Israelis and one deadvThai worker----2000 dead Palestines.
      Cry me a river .

    • Follow Max Blumenthal‏@MaxBlumenthal

      Al Mezan Center for Human Rights in Gaza accuses Jodi @Rudoren of "lack of professionalism"
      link to

      lol...'lack of professionalism' is very p.c. talk.
      however you might as well accuse a snake of being a snake, the snake doesnt care.

    • Peace for zionist does not mean peace, it means conquering and vanquishing their many enemies...and everyone is their enemy.
      There are some people for whom success alone is not enough-----their satisfaction to be complete means totally destroying the other/competitor/opponent.
      If Israel could destroy all the Palestines today once and for all it wouldnt matter, tomorrow they would move on to completely destroying some other enemy, Iran or Syria or Europe...that is the nature of zionism...they will never run out of existential threats.

    • '' Never in my life had I felt so threatened for being a politically-minded Jew as I was that evening''>>>

      Like a German confronted by the SS for failing to give the Heil Hitler salute.

  • A month of solidarity in London -- does the BBC get the message?
    • Good...should try this at US CNN-NBC-Faux and the rest. Just to let them know we know what they are if nothing else.
      Meanwhile Greenwald exposes NPR ...again...for the neo and ziocon central it is.

      link to

      NPR Is Laundering CIA Talking Points to Make You Scared of NSA Reporting

  • Is the firing of Steven Salaita the beginning of a new Blacklist?
    • '' Indeed, if academic freedom and the right to free speech do not guarantee controversial and offensive political expression—and especially expression outside the classroom—what are they good for?''>>>

      Good for nothing evidently----thats what I-Firstdom has done in the US.

  • Daily News publisher, Gov. Cuomo, Yankees president, and NE Patriots' owner are latest to rush to Israel's side
    • The longer this political treason goes on the more people will notice will evetually peak over something.
      Before this lastest Gaza slaughter the majority of anti israel comments in the US were about Washington putting Israel ahead of the US.

  • Goldstone sequel to be co-authored by Amal Alamuddin, Clooney's fiancee
    • Well Schabas isnt going to go any where near the genocide charge re Gaza so I think I-defenders are just hyping his appointment as anti Israel in advance just so they can deny more of whatever is found. He thinks Isr-Gaza war crimes dont compare to those in Afghanistan---I assume he is referring to the US actions there.
      If you download the intellectum interview with him you can see basically what his position on Isr-Gaza is probably going to be.....something like 6 of one, half dozen of another opinion.

      link to

      V.T.: A report has been published by Professor Goldstone concerning the Gaza
      invasion and you have published some information on your blog about it too.
      What do you think about this report?
               ( 07) 2010 Intellectum, pp. 46‐60
      W.S.: Well, I am very supportive of the report. I know all of the people who were on
      the commission and have great respect for them, particularly Judge Goldstone, who is a very honorable man of great integrity. And they did this investigation under very difficult conditions, in particular without any cooperation from the Israeli authorities and they have come up with a report that is not a judgment, but a finding that there is a likelihood serious crimes were committed by both sides in the conflict and that they should be dealt with by a justice system. I think that when we look at all the crimes committed in Gaza during the conflict at the end of 2008-2009 we find that they are probably not, on a Richter scale of atrocity, at the top. And there are many places in the world where worse crimes have been committed. Sri Lanka, for example, in March or April of 2009 was much more serious in terms of the atrocities and loss of life that was committed. So there is a tendency I believe for us to think that Gaza was the worst crime. I think that in terms of war crimes, I agree with the findings of the report which make sense to me.
      But probably, as I say on the overall scale of things, these are not the worst atrocities that have been committed. I think the reason why many people in the world are so upset about the atrocities in Gaza is not because of the bombardment of facilities in Gaza in January and in December of the last year but because of our unhappiness about the general political situation there. It is because the people of Palestine are still being denied their right of self- determination. And so, we mix our dissatisfaction with the situation of the Palestinian people in Gaza and the West Bank where we have this terrible wall that has been built and the settlements which continue being built even if Obama has told Netanyahu to stop. And certainly all these are a violation of international law and absolutely unacceptable. So we mix the issues of self-determination with the very specific war crimes committed in December and January, which were obviously serious but are not on the same scale as the war crimes that are being committed in Afghanistan, or were committed in Sri Lanka, and so on.''

      Schabas discussion on genocide
      link to

  • Propaganda on Palestine: All-Knowing White Man & Angry Black Woman conjure good Jews and evil Arabs
  • Rania Masri gives Barack Obama a lesson on the meaning of 'barbaric'
    • Imagine how the world world change if Israel and US leaders were ever convicted of war crimes.

      'US Leaders Aid and Abet Israeli War Crimes, Genocide & Crimes against Humanity'

      Friday 8 August 2014 at 8:12 AM ET
      JURIST Contributing Editor Marjorie Cohn of the Thomas Jefferson School of Law discusses the ongoing conflict in Gaza ...

      Here is a summary of the crimes, as defined in the Rome Statute, Israeli leaders have committed and US leaders have aided and abetted:
      link to

  • The Greenhouse propaganda—How Gazan history is being rewritten to dehumanize Palestinians
    • I remember this well. Tons of rotting produce due to Israel restricting shipments.
      Israelis= destroyers, the disease of zionism.

  • Hollywood's latest blacklist shadows Bardem, Cruz, Almodovar
    • '' “Jews are the indigenous people of that area.”>>>>

      Only if they are claiming to be direct descendents of the Neandertals, the first inhabitants of Israel.

      link to

      for National Geographic News
      March 8, 2002

      Thousands of years before Christians, Muslims, and Jews became locked in dispute over the Middle East, humans wrested control of the region from its true original inhabitants, the Neandertals, in what one scientist compares to a prolonged game of football.''

    • When I look at what the US has done in the ME I dont see any real US 'set plan'---what I see is the US 'reacting' and stepping in one shit pile after another---depending on who wins the neocon- congressional-ziocon-WH advisors -liberal interventionist fight on what is to be done about whatever 'problem' country or terrier group.
      There is no consistent or even common sense or even stragetic rhyme or reason to it.
      If this is a 'agreed upon as one government' plan to dominate the world its a piss poor one, since its now as anyone can see completely FUBAR .

    • From the Guardian article....

      " A similar normalisation may be under way in Germany, according to a 2013 study by the Technical University of Berlin. In 14,000 hate-mail letters, emails and faxes sent over 10 years to the Israeli embassy in Berlin and the Central Council of Jews in Germany, Professor Monika Schwarz-Friesel found that 60% were written by educated, middle-class Germans, including professors, lawyers, priests and university and secondary school students. Most, too, were unafraid to give their names and addresses – something she felt few Germans would have done 20 or 30 years ago.">>>>>

      Hummm...I would guess that if people signed their names to their letters and faxes to the Israel embassy then the letters werent really "hate mail" ...more political like expressing 'disgust' with Israel. I doubt sincere haters send mail to embassies.

    • ''Years ago John Mearsheimer said to me, “You have to understand, this is mortal combat.” The more time passes, the more I agree with the professor and West Point grad.''>>>

      Yea it is and they started it -----people havent yet quite caught on to the fact that they are waging a war against the world.

    • '' “As the grandson of Holocaust survivors, anyone calling it Israeli ‘genocide’ vs. protecting themselves are either the most ignorant people about the situation and shouldn’t be commenting, or are truly anti-Semitic.”>>>>

      Claiming a lineage of descendent from a holocaust survivor or victim has become like claiming a royal 'pedigree'' in order to get special treatment for whatever they want to say or do.

  • 'One nation, one state, one leader' -- frightening slogan at Tel Aviv protest
    • Seriously, what is there left to dialogue about?
      The only debate I see left is how to make Israel quit doing what its doing.

    • '' Volk: The concept of Volk (people, nation, or race) has been an underlying idea in German history since the early nineteenth century. Inherent in the name was a feeling of superiority of German culture and the idea of a universal mission for the German people. ''

      ..sounds like zionism to me.
      I wonder if there has ever been a movement or concept based on 'peoplehood /nation, superiority, mission,' that didnt go wrong.

  • How the Israeli discourse on terrorism seeks to justify blatant war crimes
    • Short version of all Israelism propaganda....

      “If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.”

  • Looking for the Palestinian Kirk Douglas
    • What Palestines need first is a Elliot Ness in the US to clean out the al.
      Then Palestine will have a chance.

  • Gaza 2014 has clarified the international struggle
    • Update P/S.

      Starbucks lies...

      ''Chairman Howard Shultz is staunchly pro-Israel. In 1998, the Jerusalem Fund of Aish HaTorah gave him “The Israel 50th Anniversary Friend of Zion Tribute Award” for “playing a key role in promoting a close alliance between the United States and Israel.” In 2002, Israel’s Foreign Ministry praised him for being key to the country’s long-term PR success, through his provocative speeches accusing Palestinians of terrorism, calling intifada resistance anti-semitism, asking Americans to back Israel against a common enemy, and sponsoring fund raisers for Israeli causes. link to

    • That new boycott Isr app is having a effect-----is scaring some people and companies..
      Maybe a boycott app for I-First politicians in the coming elections would have an effect too.

      link to

      Starbucks: We don't fund Israel

      By Ben Brody @CNNMoney August 8, 2014: 3:19 PM ET

      NEW YORK (CNNMoney)

      The coffee chain has issued a statement announcing that neither Starbucks nor CEO Howard Schultz "provides financial support to Israel," or to its army, in the wake of what Starbucks (SBUX) called "false rumors."

      The company, which is known for flooding markets with its stores, also pointed out that it closed all of its stores in Israel in 2003 because of "operational challenges."

      Spokesman Jim Olson wouldn't specify what challenges the company faced in Israel, but did say the decision to leave "was not related to political issues."

      The company has publicly refuted claims about its support for Israel before, but reiterated its position because it saw an "uptick in false rumors out there about Starbucks and the Middle East," according to Olson.

      Olson did not say where the rumors had come from, but a fast-growing campaign on the app Buycott, which is a platform where anyone can start and publicize a boycott, has targeted Starbucks for what it says is the company's support for "the occupation of Palestine."

  • Jodi Rudoren and Abe Foxman mull over 'the Arabs' owning New York hotel
  • Even Wieseltier is upset by 'indifference in Jewish world' to Gaza slaughter and wholehearted Israeli support for it
    • No thanks Donald.

      "As with Vietnam, people have come to the realization very slowly. At the NYT editorial board they still aren’t there.

      war crimes in Vietnam

      All the issues in Vietnam are pretty much the same as they are in Gaza. People didn’t use the human shields term, but the argument was the same""

      Enough of your 'universal whataboutery" as self or site appointed historical moral oracle at MW--and an inaccurate one at that.
      And your gate keeping as 'balancer' for the NYT who just hasnt
      caught up yet.

      Didnt you learn in school that you get an F if you dont stick to writing about the assigned subject?

    • David Bromwich is the one in the crew who is being totally honest, the others are still hedging around a bit with the 'not taking enough care'...'how to tell there were civilians in the crowd" and etc..
      You have to be retarded not to see the mass killing was deliberate.

  • 'NYT' is furiously rewriting history of Gaza conflict
    • Well your picture of yourself is not the picture others have

    • Should have listened to Fulbright.....because now the US is in the deadly grip of zionist and other foreign organizations and disintegrating because of them.
      Burn congress to the ground and start over....its the only way out of this.

      link to

      "Mr. President, this nation has welcomed millions of immigrants from abroad. In the 19th century we were called the melting pot, and we were proud of that description. It meant that there came to this land people of diverse creeds, colors and races. These immigrants became good Americans, and their ethnic and religious origins were of secondary importance.
      But in recent years, we have seen the rise of organizations dedicated apparently not to America, but to foreign states and groups.
      "The conduct of a foreign policy for America has been seriously compromised in this development. We can survive this development, Mr. President, only if our political institutions—and the Senate in particular—retain their objectivity and their independence so that they can serve all Americans."

    • You could save yourself a lot of typing Donald by just cutting to the chase.....all of us here know exactly what the NYT is and how it came to be the Israel zionist flagship of the US press.

      link to

      1963 Fulbright Senate hearing on zionist Infiltraiton

      [1963, under Fulbright's chairmanship, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee conducted hearings on the Zionist . Including their efforts to control US press and individuals to influence public opinion in favor of Israel

    • I am confident that some people are furiously taking notes on the lies and names for the history books.
      The questions on 911 have even resurfaced again and I cant think of many lies that havent eventually been exposed.....the Big Lie of Israel will be too before its over.

      We could probably speed up the truth by waterboarding a few people if it werent illegal..oh wait, it is legal say the USA and Israel.

  • Palestinian refugees displaced again as they flee Islamic State in Iraq
    • Donald says:
      August 7, 2014 at 10:00 am
      ” I will never forget that it was Amnesty International, who spread the “throwing babies out of incubators” story instead of uncovering the lie.”

      I remember that, and put it down to the fact that there is no organization or group of people that always gets it right. >>>>>>

      Well you 'put it down' to the wrong thing. It was a purposeful lie to Amnesty by the Kuwait Housing Minister and a set up for interested parties to then use it on congress.
      Tom Lantos, the 'holocaust survivor' sheparded it into a congressional hearing to help instigate a cry for attacking Saddam.
      Here's the real story.

      link to
      The invented story eventually broke apart and was exposed by CBC-TV's Fifth Estate – Canada's "60 Minutes" – in a program called "Selling the War."

      Iraq invaded Kuwait in August of 1990. "The country's ruler, Sheik Jaber al-Ahmed al-Sabah, fled into exile in his armour plated Mercedes, across the desert to neighbouring Saudi Arabia." "Under the auspices of a group called Citizen for a Free Kuwait, which was really the Kuwait government in exile it hired the American PR firm Hill & Knowlton. The first mention of babies being removed from incubators appeared in the Sept. 5 edition of the London Daily Telegraph.

      The key moment occurred on October 10, when a young woman named Nayirah appeared in front of a congressional committee. She told the committee, "I saw the Iraqi soldiers come into the hospital with guns, and go into the room where 15 babies were in incubators. They took the babies out of the incubators, took the incubators and left the babies on the cold floor to die."

      Lantos part in the deception....he knew the set up and who he was putting in front of congress with the lie.

      link to
      '' Lantos, the consummate prevaricator, said that Nayirah’s last name had to be kept confidential or otherwise her family in Kuwait might face reprisals from Iraqi occupiers. Nice try, but soon it was revealed that Nayirah’s actual last name was Al Sabah and that she was the daughter of Kuwait’s ambassador to the United States.''

    • Of the various descriptions of what ISIS is about this is the best I believe.

      link to

      ''All you need to know about ISIS and what is happening in Iraq''

      In a nutshell it is a 'Sunni' militant group. Even more rabid and probably smarter than ALQ who it broke from.
      ALQ was dedicated to removing 'corrupt western influence' from the ME and Islam.
      ISIS had doubled down on that and then some.
      Some try to claim the US is funding ISIS but I cant find or see any benefit to US interest in doing that---Saudi, otoh kicked started ISIS with their funding of the Syria Sunni rebels.
      My guessing says maybe Saudi and US, mostly Saudi ,will let ISIS clear out Shittes in countries where Sauds want them cleaned out and then try to take out ISIS before it turns to taking out the Sauds also for their few, but what AQL and now ISIS, consider too liberal reforms in Islamic Saudi Arabia.

  • Gaza war gives rise to new Jewish group targeting Jewish institutions that support occupation
    • This is new low even for the hag Rudoren----I am pretty sure people didnt take time out to kill each other in domestic violence spats while being bombed by Israel.

      @Max Blumenthal

      Jodi @Rudoren hypothesizes that domestic violence caused some of the civilian deaths in Gaza: link to …

    • The reality concerning Jewish groups effort is this:

      They need to do it and they have "gotten out there" in front on P/I and got out there first.
      Although some of them arent exactly simeon pure and are doing a bit of gatekeeping.
      However as I said before, despite their best efforts I dont believe they are going to be able to do it alone with just Jews or mainly Jews.
      I can see them trying to keep the Isr- P/I- USA issue/problem mainly 'in house' for a variety of reasons.
      Some may think it is ultimately a Jewish responsibility.
      Some want to do it in a way that 'still preserves' US support for Israel.
      Some want to keep it in house to ward off non jews who want to go harder against Israel and demand US force against it and some may feel they will lose control of the movement if they actively seek more non Jews to get involved and get some anti semitism in the movement.
      Then there are a few who just think gentiles dont have any right to express any negatives opinions on the Jewish state.

      But the fact is its gonna take a huge mass of people, more than jewish groups, to have any impact on the political powers that can rein Israel in.
      I see no attempts to coordinate Jewish and non Jewish groups like CNI and others for joint efforts.. Only thing I have noticed in non Jewish groups is the Summit on Israel where a few like Phil were invited. I havent even seen that effort on the Jewish side.
      Nothing is going to work without more critical mass, more people.
      Since the Jews have a leg up on the grass roots organizing and gentiles have been hampered or loath to do grass roots because of the A-S label--I think Jews should now put aside their fears of gentile takeover/infiltration or whatever and start trying to bring in gentile/other groups and individuals ----under a name or banner that isnt just jewish, thats more generic american----for the numbers it gonna take to get to politicians.
      The Jewish groups have to take a chance on maybe being screwed if they do or definitely being screwed or losing in the end if they dont.

  • Steven Salaita-- unremitting in criticism of Zionism and Gaza slaughter-- loses a job at University of Illinois
  • What will tomorrow bring for Gaza -- a lasting truce or continuous war?
    • Is anyone as fed up with talk as I am?
      We have seen this movie a dozen times.
      Israel provokes, kills, destroys, the world frowns on Israel, condemns Hamas, the VIPs huddle to natter about peace and rebuilding what Israel destroyed on everyones dime but Israelis---then the same movie plays again and again---provoke, kill, destroy, frown on Israel, blame Hamas, huddle to natter, pony up more billions for the Israeli destruction

      Do we all realize how f'ing INSANE this is?

    • The sad, bad, fact is violence and Israel's frequent slaughters of Palestines is the only thing that draws world attention to Israel's true nature and intentions.

  • Conflict Resolution 101: Talk to Hamas
    • Annie.....I am not sure what you mean....did I quote the whole article?
      Actually I borrowed it from a post by Sean elsewhere so if it was the entire article my bad...I didnt check it...due to being in a hurry.

    • Dont expect anything of the US gov, it supports the big lie.

      Chris Hedges: Why Israel Lies - Chris Hedges - Truthdig -

      link to

      "All governments lie, as I.F. Stone pointed out, including Israel and Hamas.

      But Israel engages in the kinds of jaw-dropping lies that characterize despotic and totalitarian regimes. It does not deform the truth; it inverts it. It routinely paints a picture for the outside world that is diametrically opposed to reality. And all of us reporters who have covered the occupied territories have run into Israel’s Alice-in-Wonderland narratives, which we dutifully insert into our stories—required under the rules of American journalism—although we know they are untrue."

      "I saw small boys baited and killed by Israeli soldiers in the Gaza refugee camp of Khan Younis. The soldiers swore at the boys in Arabic over the loudspeakers of their armored jeep. The boys, about 10 years old, then threw stones at an Israeli vehicle and the soldiers opened fire, killing some, wounding others.

      I was present more than once as Israeli troops drew out and shot Palestinian children in this way. Such incidents, in the Israeli lexicon, become children caught in crossfire.

      I was in Gaza when F-16 attack jets dropped 1,000-pound iron fragmentation bombs on overcrowded hovels in Gaza City. I saw the corpses of the victims, including children.
      This became a surgical strike on a bomb-making factory.

      I have watched Israel demolish homes and entire apartment blocks to create wide buffer zones between the Palestinians and the Israeli troops that ring Gaza. I have interviewed the destitute and homeless families, some camped out in crude shelters erected in the rubble.
      The destruction becomes the demolition of the homes of terrorists. con't..

      This article received 594 comments. Top comment: "I am a former pastor of a main line church in the middle of the United States. Two summers ago, I visited the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and Israel. I left the church because I could not reconcile serving in a "church" that did not stand against the gut wrenching reality I witnessed there in any meaningful way. Since, I've been trapped in the circumstances so brilliantly articulated by Mr. Hedges. Perhaps, there is no more a meaningful way to stand against it. I am grateful for his word, and I am hopeful still."

  • What I said to the couple holding a banner with a swastika on it
    • That a good idea----pinpointing the similar.

    • I thought anonymous linked this here but I dont see so..

      The odiousness of the distorted Godwin’s Law link to

      ''Prohibitions that arose from German aggression were meant to be applied, not shrouded with a code of silence ''

      Glen Greenwald--Salon- 2010


      Responding to the neocon objections to my post on the universality of war-justifying propaganda, Kevin Drum writes that it’s “time to repeal Godwin’s Law” — at least the distorted version which purports to prohibit all comparisons to German crimes — labeling it an “an endlessly tiresome way of feigning moral indignation.” Kevin adds: ”WWII analogies are extremely useful because they’re familiar to almost everyone.”

      I agree: the very notion that a major 20th Century event like German aggression is off-limits in political discussions is both arbitrary and anti-intellectual in the extreme. There simply are instances where such comparisons uniquely illuminate important truths: recall, for example, Andrew Sullivan’s consequential discovery of the stark similarities between the Bush/Cheney and Gestapo “enhanced interrogation” documents, both in terms of approved tactics and “justifications.” To demand that German crimes be treated as sacred and unmentionable is to deprive our discourse of critical truths.

      But this prohibition is even more odious than that. A primary point of the Nuremberg Trials was to seize on the extraordinary horror of what the Germans did in order to set forth general principles to be applied not only to the individual war criminals before the tribunal, but more important, to all countries in the future.

      As lead prosecutor Robert Jackson explained in his Opening Statement:

      ''What makes this inquest significant is that these prisoners represent sinister influences that will lurk in the world long after their bodies have returned to dust. . . . .

      And let me make clear that while this law is first applied against German aggressors, the law includes, and if it is to serve a useful purpose it must condemn aggression by any other nations, including those which sit here now in judgment.""""

      Those most eager to violate these principles understandably want to render these discussions taboo, but that’s no reason for the rest of us to acquiesce. Actually, it’s a compelling reason to emphatically refuse.'

      Exactly why I have no problem using the nazi comparison for zionism and for Israel's regular slaughters of Palestines...and to the US also.
      I have a extremely low opinion of those who whimper about anyone's sensitivities to 'symbols' of hate because what is involved and at stake in this is much, much bigger than anyone's hurt feelings or discomfort.
      The reason for using a comparaison of nazism and zionism is to give people a instant picture of what Israel is doing that doesnt need a lot of explaining.
      Let the hasbara agents try to do the explaining.

    • AronsArons....

      ''Carrying a sign with just a swastika on it is wrong if you are trying to affirm that the Israeli state is Nazi-like. Rather, one should carry a sign with two horizontal blue lines and a swastika in the middle. Nobody will interpret that as a support for either the German or the Israeli version of Naziism. (Well, almost nobody, anyway.)''>>>>

      yes that is better....I was going to amend or add to my comment there needed to be some thng to go along with the swastika to explain the meaning of carrying it.

    • Jordon Street sound like J-Street in sheeps clothing.

    • Well Jordon...a couple of things...

      First, the German swastika is not just a symbol of what happened to Jews. Its bigger than just the Jews...its what Germany came to be-- a ' machine' of racist, fascist, domination and elimination of any impure non Aryans.

      Since Nazism is a ideology almost everyone on earth knows about and it is universally despised---and since the general public does not know the term "Zionism' or what it actually is-- I think its a appropriate comparison to use to educate and or arouse people to rally against Israel Zionism which is bascially the same supremist ethno/racial mentality.

      And I dont totally agree with your theory here..."But what is needed now, more than ever, is the channeling of this anger for good. We need to be constructive, not destructive. Messages of hate are destructive, hurt the direction of the Palestinian solidarity movement, and take us all further away from living in a world that we desperately wish to live in.""

      Just what do you recommend as a way to channel the good to stop kill happy zionism? More talk, more appeals to Isael and US government, more what?
      Tell us who or what you dont want 'destructed' by the 'destructive' part of carrying the swastika and maybe we can tell whether or not you're just gatekeeping on this.

      I doubt that I would have chosen a swastika to carry, but if I had I wouldnt have put it down just because it offended you or jewish sensitivities. If it works to show people what zionism is like and what its doing then I say use it.

      Israel uses every past wrongness comparsion and whataboutery on earth to excuse themselves---I see no reason not to give them a dose of the same.

  • The selected writings of Samantha Power
    • '' We have moved beyond the “No Irish wanted ” days .''

      Well I am part Irish descended but I do not-- unlike some ---have the slightest qualm about criticizing/attacking/exposing anything or one even if I could consider said thing or person 'one of my own or 'partly my own or 'distantly related or 'shared tribal DNA or 'fellow club member or anything else.

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