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' to “be used to fight growing intolerance alienating the Jewish community."
If Wiener feels 'alienated' by the ads he can always go live in Israel...after all that's what Israel is for isn't it?....we've spent a trillion dollars on a state for Jews to go to if they don't like it here or wherever they live.....he can go 'self determine' to not see any ads mentioning the Palestine occupation in Israel.
Go Meda! Bravo! Bravo!
And this..?
"“The voice of that woman is worth paying attention to. (Applause.) Obviously, I do not agree with much of what she said, and obviously she wasn’t listening to me in much of what I said.''
Yadayada, we hear O and we've had enough of O speeches. Walk the walk gutless one or shut up.
Maybe Huma is just for Humana. A lot of these marriages between political groupies seem sort of mutually opportunistic. Having a unemployed politican and radioactive ex sex tweeter for a husband is probably quite a come down and not what she envisioned as her future.
Just more donkeying.
This is a switch.....
link to haaretz.com
''Israeli minister apologizes for accusing U.K. of 'disguised anti-Semitism'''
Every time they use the old anti semite attack the accused should respond by throwing a fit and demanding an apology.... offense not defense is the way you shut them down.
''This Hollywood Reporter piece is headlined, "CBS Shareholders Accuse '60 Minutes' of Anti-Semitism," but CBS seems to be yawning about it.''
The headline....'CBS Shareholders Accuse '...is misleading to say the least. Unless Camera is a stockholder......they were the ones at the stockholder meeting...described as 'activist'.
Since the stockholders re elected all officers and Board members of CBS at that meeting I'd say they weren't upset at all.
Just more Zio puff and lies.
''Today’s Jewish establishment, for reasons political, cynical, but more often thoughtless, has become fully devoted to a vision of Jewish history that attempts to unite under a banner of victimhood. Under this banner, it would seem, future generations can be bullied into supporting militarism and chauvinism, scared into religious observance, or guilted into acts of differentiation and group identity at the expense of understanding a common vision of humanity and of a better, more loving world.''
That may be the best statement I've ever seen made on the whole Judaism-Jews-Israel-Zionism situtation .
'I’ve probably said this before, but Zionism corrupts everything it touches.''
Ditto.
And it's very very very sick.
A ethnic political party united by false history and victimhood....
I wish the Yiddish project success in introducing Jews to different history.
This?
link to freebeacon.com
AP, AFP reporters trash Israel in secret Facebook group
Israeli Defense Forces / AP
BY: Alana Goodman
May 22, 2013 2:15 pm
A “secret” Facebook group of foreign correspondents and human rights activists quickly devolved into an anti-Israel hate-fest on Tuesday following the release of a new Israeli government report that cleared the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) of wrongdoing in the 2000 death of a Palestinian boy.
The Israeli government report contests the claim that the IDF killed a Palestinian boy, Muhammad al-Durrah, in a famous 2000 incident in Gaza that helped ignite the Second Intifada.
Journalists and activists mocked the report, attacked the IDF, and claimed pro-Israel lobbyists were influencing the media coverage, in a private Facebook group for foreign correspondents known as the “Vulture Club.”
Peter Bouckaert, a senior official at Human Rights Watch, dismissed the report as “typical IDF lies.”
“As usual, it takes them a long time to really build up the falsehood,” wrote Bouckaert.
Bouckaert also blasted the New York Times for its coverage of the report.
“It really isn’t good journalism to write this up as if these are credible allegations when it is a pack of lies,” he wrote.
Correspondents from numerous outlets, including the Associated Press and the Agence France-Presse, also piled on.
“[T]he lobby uses all its strength and is able to push anything in majors [sic] English newspapers or in the NYT[imes],” wrote El Mundo reporter Javier Espinosa. “Israeli embassies call their contacts in all those newspapers and they agree to publish that information.”
“That reinforces lack of media credibility and conspiracy theories as we are being used as mouthpieces for propaganda,” Espinosa added.
Associated Press photojournalist Jerome Delay wrote, “The IDF thinks the earth is flat, btw.”
The journalists also took shots at Philippe Karsenty, a French media analyst who was sued by France 2 television after he accused the network of airing staged footage of the al-Durrah incident.
“And fuck no, it’s not true that ‘Everyone in France knows the footage is a hoax,’ as Karsenty says,” wrote AFP reporter Marc Bastian. “Everyone here knows that [France 2 journalist Charles] Enderlin is an honest man, and Karsenty is an extremist.”
“That’s about the kindest way to describe Karsenty,” replied Bouckaert. “I would add a few descriptive words after extremist.”
“I know, I’m always too polite,” responded Bastian.
Andrew Ford Lyons, an activist with the International Solidarity Movement, which has supported anti-Israel terrorists, called the al-Durrah report “a feeble attempt at historical revision, at best.”
Bouckaert, who is currently the emergencies director at Human Rights Watch, declined to discuss his comments to the Vulture Club on the record when contacted by the Washington Free Beacon.
“The group is a secret FB group, and our discussions are confidential,” Bouckaert said.
Human Rights Watch’s founder, Robert Bernstein, publicly broke with the group in 2009 and said the group’s anti-Israel activism was distorting the issue.
Human Rights Watch did not comment.
The Vulture Club has around 3,500 members.
Espinosa also declined to explain his comments when contacted over Twitter.
“[Y]ou have some personal examples at the facebook page that you have read,” he wrote.
The Associated Press did not respond to requests for comment''
What Joe is really saying is ....GIVE US THE MONEY, GIVE US THE MONEY.. the 2014 elections are comming!...."' Ive told you you're beautful, you're wonderful, the fairest in the world...now fork it over...the donkey is getting tired.'
@lysais
Iraq still bloody mess....139 people killed the other day in a bombing.
The Gov is fighting the 'sea change'.....not just on Israel but on everything, the natives are restless and the powers that be cant stand for that. Censorship, spying on journalist, newspapers that don't toe the repub or dem or zionist line, and blogs and their readers,imprisoning whistleblowers..it's all way out of control. I think they are sadly mistaken if they think the public will tolerate this. There might be a few who it will scare but American aren't use to anyone telling them what they can or cant say or read or anything else. But I want them to keep trying to control us....come on Gov, come on---light our fire.
And this is hysterical....I would love to know what 'foreign power' the FBI thinks Anti War is working for...lol
''Today the ACLU filed a lawsuit on our behalf against the Federal Bureau of Investigation, demanding the receipt of records in their possession regarding surveillance of Antiwar.com, and key editorial personnel. We know they possess such records because of documents received as a result of a third party Freedom of Information Act request, subsequently published online. A memo from FBI headquarters in Washington speculates Antiwar.com and its principals are possibly "a threat to national security" engaging in a conspiracy "on behalf of a foreign power" and recommends a more thorough investigation.''
link to original.antiwar.com
Antiwar.com Sues FBI After Secret Surveillance
May 21st, 2013
This is interesting also.....that CNI has been asked to speak to Tea Party meetings.
I don't know how to rate the Tea Party group except the original Tea Partiers were more Libertarian at core than GOP.
Council for the National Interest Foundation
Dear Friend of CNI:
excerpt...
''Our Executive Director Phil Giraldi and I have appeared in front of audiences ranging from the University of Chicago to a recent series of presentations I made throughout the state of Montana. I have been hosted largely by peace and justice groups and Phil has been asked to address Tea Party meetings. We are reaching out to new constituencies with the same message and principles upon which CNI was founded. ''
@ Krauss
Not to mention the mainstream churches.
Thank you Pamela...
Yes ....the public has turned, or not so much turned, since they never thought much about Israel anyway, as they have started 'learning about I/P- Israel and the US part....the real story.
I have watched this change, new awareness, whatever we call it, happen bit by bit over 10 years.
MW, you and a lot of others like annie, Weir, Grant Smith,to many to name have helped get people's attention and educated them on this .
Keep going!
Only have one other thing to say about censorship by government and any who seek to control.
'Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.''
John F. Kennedy
People are the same all over the world, they can only be pushed so far and no further....it's just sad that in democracies more so than in non democracies people generally wait till the proverbial nothing left to lose before they rebel.
Donald,
I think you'd be the perfect person to lay out examples of Anti Gentlism, Anti Chrsitanism, Anti Arabism, Anti Islamism and submit it to the State Department of Anti Semitism.
In fact we should insist on closing the office of Anti Semitism on the grounds it itself is racist in excluding Jewish racism and other racist Antis and set up one Government Department in charge of all Antism.
Thinking about these definitions.....they are very loose...leave just about anything at all said open to being called anti semitic.
I don't think the Zionist Israel Gestapo has a prayer in hell of enforcing it on the public though.
See, I just violated their anti semitism definition rules....lol
LOL...how much more ridiculous can it get? The US sends a zionist supremist around the world to tell non Jewish racist and governments not to hate Jewish and Israeli racist and governments.
Only in the world of political donations and the cult of zion does this make sense.
Suppose some poll said France, Holland, whoever, was 50,60, 90% anti semitic...what would we do about it...bomb them, sanction them, what exactly?
Sincere sympathy marc.
Bad actions supported by bad opinions are bad, regardless of the motivation."" David
Exactly.
Besides not being the job of the US to monitor anti semitism in other countries..what would we do about it anyway? ......Isr and the zionist will keep right on creating anti semitism.
''Kerry names Ira Forman as U.S. anti-Semitism envoy ''
The State Department announced the appointment the same day it released its 2012 report on religious freedom that recorded a 'continued global increase in anti-Semitism.
link to haaretz.com
You just cant make this shit up......
TODAY.....
''Kerry calls Israeli envoy to protest legalization of West Bank outposts''
Haaretz-3 hours ago
In unusual move, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry phones Israeli ambassador to the U.S. Michael Oren to demand explanations, voice protest ...''
YESTERDAY.....
'After U.S. request, EU delays decision to label products from Israeli settlements''
U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry asked his EU counterpart Catherine Ashton to put off the move as he tries to restart Israeli-Palestinian negotiations.
By Barak Ravid | May.19, 2013 | 8:15 AM |'
link to haaretz.com...
seafoid says:
May 18, 2013 at 4:44 pm
This is a slap in the face to American Christian Zionists (but they normally don’t listen to reason) . Taking back Christianity from the wackos.
AIPAC will presumably scweam and scweam .>>>>
Yea, it is...I love it..heheheh....I can hear whacko Hagee and the other good chrishans scweaming now.
It's still good...the main points in the conclusion are still there...all they've done is refrain from naming the 'Jewish people' specifically ....
*From this examination of the various views in the Bible about the relation of land to the people of God, it may be concluded that Christians should not be supporting any claims by any people to an exclusive or even privileged divine right to possess particular territory. We believe that is a misuse of the Hebrew Bible (the Christian Old Testament) and the New Testament to use it as a topographic guide to settle contemporary conflicts over land. In the Bible, God’s promises extend in hope to all land and people.
In the context of the present situation in Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territory we remain committed to the following principles, previously set out and agreed by the General Assembly):
That the current situation is characterised by an inequality in power and therefore reconciliation can only be possible if the Israeli military occupation of the West Bank and East Jerusalem, and the blockade of Gaza, are ended.
The Israeli settlements in East Jerusalem and the West Bank are illegal under international law. The Church of Scotland, individuals and civil organisations should urge the UK Government and the European Union as a matter of urgency to put pressure on Israel to cease from the expansion of these settlements.
So, what will zios complaint/arguement be now?....that Jesus wasn't the son of God and the New Testament is full of shit..... and if Christians don't go by the zio interpretation and Old Testament they are anti semites? lol...they will find something in this to screech about anyway...they always do.
I am glad the churches have gotten involved in I/P ....I just hope they don't get bogged down in some never ending 'my religion/bible says vr. your religion says ' kind of thing and keep their eye on pressuring an end to I/P, not debating religions.
ISRAEL SAID TO AID LATIN AIMS OF U.S.
By PHILIP TAUBMAN, Special to the New York Times (The New York Times); Foreign Desk
July 21, 1983, Thursday
Late City Final Edition, Section A, Page 1, Column 2, 856 words
[ DISPLAYING ABSTRACT ]
Israel, at the request of the United States, is sending weapons captured from the Palestine Liberation Organization to Honduras for eventual use by Nicaraguan rebels, according to senior Reagan Administration officials. The arms shipments, which began recently, include artillery pieces, mortar rounds, mines, hand grenades and ammunition. They are part of an enlarged Israeli role in Central America that was encouraged by the United States as a way of supplementing American military aid to friendly governments and supporting insurgent operations against the Nicaraguan Government, the officials said. Israel's coordination with the Americans marks a departure from its previous activities in Central America as an independent supplier of arms. The new role brings Israel closer to acting as a surrogate for the United States.’’
Hum....I know the US part but I’am not getting the point or import of the NYT article above except it appears to push the idea that faithful ally Isr was being the US errand boy and it was‘donating” weapons captured from those nasty PLO boys to the CIA cause...LOL. We already know that Isr was involved in the hairbrain US scheme to arm the Contras cause US thought the Sandinistas were communist......what ended in the illegal and covert Iran Contra scandal starring Elliot Abrams and Oliver North. There is hardly a US operation of this type (meddling) that when you go thru it, beginning to end, doesn’t look like a bunch of teenage boys out of school for the summer who came up with a ‘super project’ to entertain themselves and ended up setting fire to several houses in the neighborhood.
link to historycommons.org
Tags: Iran-Contra Affair
Late 1984: Neoconservative Lands Position at NSC, Suggests Israel Might Help Free US Hostages
Neoconservative academic Michael Ledeen, who left the Defense Department under suspicion of engaging in espionage on behalf of Israel (see 1983), gains a position at the National Security Council. His boss is Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North (see July 7-10, 1987 and May-June, 1989). According to Iran-Contra investigators, it is Ledeen who suggests to North “that Israeli contacts might be useful in obtaining release of the US hostages in Lebanon” (see November 4, 1979-January 20, 1981). Ledeen is granted high-level security clearance.
Trip down lran Contra memory lane:
Nicaragua 1982
Beginning in the early 1980s, the Reagan administration gave arms, money, and equipment to the Contras. The CIA gave $50,000 to training and arming the Contras in 1981. The CIA took out operations of their own: in 1982, a CIA trained team blew up two bridges in Nicaragua. The United States saw the Sandinistas as Communists, and felt the need to stop them. The United States' Congress viewed the Reagan Administration's anti-Sandinista policies with extreme skepticism. Their efforts resulted in passage of an amendment in late 1982 introduced by Representative Edward P. Boland to the Fiscal Year 1983 Defense Appropriations bill. This first of a series of Boland Amendments prohibited the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the principal conduit of covert American support to the Contras, from spending any money "for the purpose of overthrowing the government of Nicaragua."[1]
The majority report stated, " The Central Intelligence Agency was the U.S. Government agency that assisted the contras. In accordance with Presidential decisions, known as findings, and with funds appropriated by Congress, the C.I.A. armed, clothed, fed and supervised the contras. Despite this assistance, the contras failed to win widespread popular support of military victories within Nicaragua." After the Boland Amendments were passed, however, CIA no longer supported the contras.[2]
Nicaragua 1984
Reagan's posture towards the Sandinista government was highly controversial. His Administration definitely circumvented the Boland Amendment, although it is not clear what he personally knew and ordered, and what was done in his name by White House staff and the then-DCI, William Casey.
A number of actions were taken by National Security Council staff, actions that the Boland Amendments had forbidden to the CIA. While the CIA, as an organization, was not allowed to act in this manner, Director of Central Intelligence William Casey took part in White House/NSC discussions and actions to follow the Reagan policy.
The NSC staff's efforts to assist the contras in the wake of Congress's withdrawal of funding took many forms. Initially it meant extending its earlier initiative to increase third-country contributions to the contras. Casey and McFarlane broached the subject of such funding at a June 25, 1984, meeting of the National Security Planning Group (NSPG), consisting of the President, Vice President Bush, Casey, (National Security Advisor) Robert McFarlane, Secretary of State George Shultz, Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger, United Nations Ambassador Jeane Kirkpatrick, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. John Vessey, and presidential adviser Edwin Meese III. Shultz warned that any approach to a third country could be viewed as an "impeachable offense", and convinced the group that it needed a legal opinion from Attorney General William French Smith. McFarlane agreed and told the group not to approach any foreign country until the opinion was delivered. McFarlane said nothing about what he already had obtained from the Saudis.
Questions arose as to the propriety of certain actions taken by the National Security Council staff and the manner in which the decision to transfer arms to Iran had been made. Congress was never informed. A variety of intermediaries, both private and governmental, some with motives open to question, had central roles. The N.S.C. staff rather than the C.I.A. seemed to be running the operation. The President appeared to be unaware of key elements of the operation. The controversy threatened a crisis of confidence in the manner in which national security decisions are made and the role played by the N.S.C. staff.
As a supplement to the normal N.S.C. process, the Reagan Administration adopted comprehensive procedures for covert actions. These are contained in a classified document, NSDD-159, establishing the process for deciding, implementing, monitoring, and reviewing covert activities.[3]
After the Boland Amendment was enacted, it became illegal under U.S. law to fund the Contras; National Security Adviser Robert McFarlane, Deputy National Security Adviser Admiral John Poindexter, National Security Council staffer Col. Oliver North and others continued an illegal operation to fund the Contras, leading to the Iran-Contra scandal. At that point, members of the National Security Council staff continued covert operations forbidden to the CIA.’’
Obviously Woody you have no sense of humor......or don't get the self caricature of the Southern Tourism Bureau. Probably you get a ass kicking also for not apprecating their humor. LOL
We need some humor around here.
SUBJECT: Southern Press Release for Spring Tourism Season
Issued by the Southern Tourism Bureau to All Visiting Non Southerns
1) Don't order filet mignon or pasta primavera at Waffle House. It's just a diner. They serve breakfast 24 hours a day. Let them cook something they know. If you confuse them, they'll kick your ass.
2) Don't laugh at our Southern names (Merleen, Bodie, Ovine, LutherRay, Tammy Lynn, Darla Beth, Inez, Billy Joe, Sissy, Clovis,etc.). Or we will just HAVE to kick your ass.
3) Don't order a bottle of pop or a can of soda. Down here it's called Coke. Nobody gives a flying damn whether it's Pepsi, RC, Dr. Pepper, 7-Up or whatever -- it's still just a Coke. Accept it. Doing otherwise can lead to an ass kicking.
4) We know our heritage. Most of us are more literate than you e.g., Welty, Williams, Faulkner. We are also better educated and generally a lot nicer. Don't refer to us as a bunch of hillbillies, or we'll kick your ass.
5) We have plenty of business sense (e.g., Fred Smith of Fed Ex, Turner Broadcasting, MCI WorldCom, MTV, Netscape). We don't care if you think we are dumb. We are not dumb enough to let someone move to our state in order to run for the Senate. If someone tried to do that, we would kick their ass.
6) Don't laugh at our Civil War monuments. If Lee had listened to Longstreet and flanked Meade at Gettysburg instead of sending Pickett up the middle, you'd be paying taxes to Richmond instead of Washington. If you visit Stone Mountain and complain about the carving, we'll kick your ass.
7) We are fully aware of how high the humidity is, so shut the hell up. Just spend your money and get the hell out of here, or we'll kick your ass.
8) Don't order wheat toast at Cracker Barrel. Everyone will instantly know that you're a Yankee. Eat your biscuits like God intended -- with gravy. And don't put sugar on your grits, or we'll kick your ass.
9) Don't fake a Southern accent. This will incite a riot, and you will get your ass kicked.
10) Don't talk about how much better things are at home because we know better. Many of us have visited Northern shit holes like Detroit, Chicago, and DC, and we have the scars to prove it. If you don't like it here, Delta is ready when you are. Move your ass on home before it gets kicked.
11) Yes, we know how to speak proper English. We talk this way because we don't want to sound like you and because we can. We don't care if you don't understand what we are saying. All other Southerners understand what we are saying, and that's all that matters. Now, go away and leave us alone, or we'll kick your ass.
12) Don't complain that the South is dirty and polluted. None of OUR lakes or rivers have caught fire recently. If you whine about OUR scenic beauty, we'll kick your ass all the way back to Boston Harbor.
13) Don't ridicule our Southern manners. We say sir and ma'am. We hold doors open for others. We offer our seats to old folks because such things are expected of civilized people. Behave yourselves around our sweet little gray-haired grandmothers or we'll kick some manners into your ass.
14) So you think we're quaint or losers because most of us live in the countryside? That's because we have enough sense not to live in filthy, smelly, crime-infested cesspools like New York or Newark. Make fun of our fresh air, and we'll kick your ass.
15) Last, but not least, DON'T DARE come down here and tell us how to cook barbecue. This will get your ass shot (right after it is kicked). You're lucky we let you come down here at all. Criticize our barbeque, and you will go home in a pine box -- minus your ass.
Hum?.....are they maybe getting a whiff of the grumbling going on about their higher loyalty to Isr than the USA?
I seem to remember there was a case or two where Americans not of Arab or Palestine orgins were also not let in Israel. Can't remember exactly but think they were either activist or academics or something like that. And wernt Chomksy and Falk also denied entry?
Why do you have to have a identity to be a 'resister or for 'justice or have 'compassion? I don't see it.
I'm hiking along a road in Burma when I see a old man being attacked by thugs, I intervene.....what's my identity in that?
Everyone has been caricatured in books, cartoon, films.....greedy Jews, sneaky Arabs, retarded Hillbilles, the snobby Rich, the sloppy poor, the drunken Irish, snoty WASP, lazy Southerners, rude New Yorkers, screaming Italians , heel clicking Germans, dumb blacks.....you name it, they've been caricatured.
I imagine some Muslim-Iranian-Etc-Etc -Americans feel they need to denounce their brethren/connections/etc. to not come under suspicion or lose standing and any gains they have made in the US...considering the current demonization of Islam and Arabs.
Then again we've seen examples of other Muslims saying the same things about Islam or Muslim/ME countries----we've seen some Jews/Israelis saying the same things about Judaism and Israel----we see comments here saying the same things about religious fanatics and the US.
''the economic boycott of a Jewish town is given an award. '
gawd....it and they (illegal settlements) are not Jewish towns.
You know what you should start doing?...instead of just writing up their unfair denunciations of people like Patinkin.....you should really ridicule the stupidity of the Lori Lowenthal 's.....as in hey honey how STUPID are you to not know that nowhere except in zionist comic books and propaganda are illegal settlements Jewish towns.
Related.
link to thenational.ae
Palestinian activists sue Israel for the return of 6,000
In December 1948, eight months after the start of the war that created Israel, Khalil Beidas locked the door to his Jerusalem home's library, a three-metre-high, floor-to-ceiling collection of more than 6,000 books that had been his most prized asset.
The 75-year-old prominent Palestinian intellectual then escaped to Lebanon, where he died less than a year later - partly, his grandson says, because of the emotional pain from the loss of his library.
Amid the battles in Jerusalem, Hagop Melikian, an Armenia-born Palestinian businessman, also fled along with his wife from their apartment. He left a private library with dozens of books, including a German-translated complete set of Shakespeare plays and a 19th-century German encyclopaedia, through which he would not flip again. The tens of thousands of books owned before the war by wealthy Palestinian families like those of Beidas and Melikian is only a sliver of what Palestinians lost when they were forced to flee what is now Israel'
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@ yonah
I think his themes are pretty accurate.....AS was western, zionism was western (and predated the holocaust as you know).
So what does this mean?....."he is against any reading of history that includes the first half of the 20th century as anything but an excuse for zionists, whereas in fact it was a trauma of biblical proportions and to read nazism as merely an excuse for zionists, to read european antisemitism as merely an excuse for zionists, rather than real challenges that in fact had no absolute answer but which still demanded an answer, is to pervert history.'
Imo zionism was and is a cult in the true meaning of the term---and I think most everyone agrees that without the holocaust and resulting world sympathy Israel would never have gotten the backing needed to actually establish it or keep it going.
The real excuse for zionism is Jews cant /wont/or wernt allowed to assimilate so they want/need to be separate from the world.
But as we see that isnt working out either.
You now have your separate zionist country --and --you still have problems and are creating problems.
So what you going to do?....keep playing the world's mostest eternal victims, anti semitism and holocaust card or what?
That refrain is really worn out since zionist are in fact acting like midget nazis.
Hah!
"It is also a melting pot that allows immigrants and minority groups to join in the same rite of passage.
That's what struck Leora Prince when the New Jersey native visited Israel after high school. She saw lots of young people joined in a common purpose.
"That were completely, selflessly guarding over the country," Prince recalls. "And I wanted to be a part of that."
>>>
If we get the same kind of nationalist dedication to the country going in the US. zionist and zionism will be expelled as a foreign element.
The 'Israel models" the zionist want to push on the US could 'flip on them.
With all the divison in the US we are ripe for a 'common cause' movement...it would be a 'simplifier, a sort of respite for public from the tiring political mishmash and complications .
LOL...it could have been worse .....I guess....it could have said.....'Calling all Jews!, Calling all Jews!--Wendy supports Israel for you !'
Bet that would have set some Jews to grinding their teeth over Ms Wendy.
I agree with Heike about how the Jewish identity thing sucks too much air out of I/P objectives.
But I dont know how you would unscrew it.
Should Jews quit making it jewish,jewish,jewish...yes.
But then, should Jews feel or should they have some special obligation on I/P because of the Jewish State...yes, since it is in their name.
So I dont see how the two are going to be separated...it goes together like a horse and buggy.
At this point I dont think it matters either.
Non Jews in this waste as much energy complaining about Jews like the lib zionist trying to keep non Jewish voices quiet and out of US Isr policy as anti zionist Jews waste on protecting the Jewish value-identity thing.
If non Jews spent half the time they spend on discussing things Jewish and examining it's innards, on raising hell with their politicans on US-Isr-I/P instead it would be a better use of our time.
'I really want to understand all of this more. There has been a lot of discussion and argument in some groups I’m in around these issues and I really feel like I’m missing something. So someone please reply.''......maggielorraine
There is no problem in people speaking on their religious based values or identity......except if it's 'overemphasized ' ....or presented as unique or special --then it tends to separate them from other people's values and give the impression they think theirs are better or they have values other people don't.
Another point.....you say...."I personally feel a “special connection” to combating pinkwashing as a gay woman, knowing that that connection is completely artificial and a result of the pinkwashing narrative itself. But since the San Francisco LGBT community is the target of many pinkwashing activities by the Israeli government and Zionist groups, being an active voice of dissent *as a member of that community* is very important.''
I'm not gay but I am for gays rights to the same civil marriage benefits as straights. Since I 'm not gay and have nothing personally to gain from supporting this and just consider it a matter of basic human rights equality, my voice is actually more credible than yours because you stand to personally benefit from your position and I don't.
This is one difference between speaking as 'certain identity, religious or whatever, and taking a position on what should be universal values, not attached to any particular identity.
Violent or non violent resistance..take your pick.
'Intellectual despair results in neither weakness nor dreams, but in violence. It is only a matter of knowing how to give vent to one's rage; whether one only wants to wander like madmen around prisons, or whether one wants to overturn them.
Georges Bataille
“People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.”
George Orwell
I don't even call it violence when it's in self defense; I call it intelligence.
Malcolm X
In defense of our persons and properties under actual violation, we took up arms. When that violence shall be removed, when hostilities shall cease on the part of the aggressors, hostilities shall cease on our part also.
Thomas Jefferson
Social justice cannot be attained by violence. Violence kills what it intends to create.
Pope John Paul II
The strongest and most effective force in guaranteeing the long-term maintenance of power is not violence in all the forms deployed by the dominant to control the dominated, but consent in all the forms in which the dominated acquiesce in their own domination.'
Robert Frost
That's a really wimp ass statement by the Heads of Churches ...they need to use the same language Isr does....We demand!---We condemn!...etc,etc....
American: "Even israel itself has to be boycotted". In general, the advanced and global-connected way that the Israel operates now (as all the advanced economies) makes boycotting it impractical. If you really want to boycott Israel then throw away half of your gadgets – they are likely to include components made in Israel (possibly through Wall-St. registered companies).''..ivri
You are totally ignorant of the global trade economy and totally overestimate Israel's share of it. If MicroSo and Intel and ALL of Isr's high tech, drug and weapons exports shut down it would make barely a blip in any country----there is nothing they produce in those three sectors, which are their highest sectors, that cant be bought/imported from 65 other countries--wth the possible exception of cheap weapons they sell to third world countries. All that would happen is the US and other countries would import more from other countries.
In today's global economy 'suppliers" are a dime a dozen------it's the big 'buyer 'markets that rule.
70% of Israel's market is the EU and the US.....we and they can replace you, you cant replace us...you would be economically dead in the water.
That's why BDS and where it might go freaks them.
Looking thru Who Profits makes it plainer than ever that Israel itself has to be boycotted.
The major and most profiteers are Israeli owned..but they include a lot of giant US Franchises bought by Israelis that should be boycotted in the US also.
This report really shows the width and depth of a parasitic colonization.
"Stick a fork in it. The interfaith ecumenical deal which demands Christian silence on Israel because of the Holocaust and anti-Semitism is dead.''
I hope it's dying.
The holocaust and anti semitism need to be put in a 'separate box' and left out of today's Israel problem.
The only way I see to do that is for people/institutions to reject it as a defense for Israel today.
'' My proposal: Let Layla el-Haddad take him to Gaza to meet the guys who opened a kunafa shop when they got out of Israeli prison in the Shalit deal.''
Bourdain might just do that....my wife thinks he would. She is slavishly devoted to Bourdain like some teenage groupie, never misses his show, thinks he is the epitome of middle age cool.
I think a lot of his audience is hooked on him and his travels as much, if not more, than the food angle in his show so he could have an influence.
''which makes Barbara Boxer look like she's bought-and-paid-for. MJ Rosenberg always said: things won't change till reporters put politicians on the hot seat over their slavish support for Israel''...Phil
Well she is bought and paid for. And the politicans are going to have to be nailed to a cross and have a bonfire lit under them.
We have argued and argued with Zionist, keep going round and round in dead end intellectual tug of wars on race/zionism, US interest vr Israel, human rights, international law .....you name it we've argued about it.
I give the activist , the net, the various brave souls on this full credit for breakthur that has occured.
But it's time to step it up and put the Isr problem where it has always belonged and ultimately belongs...on US politcians selling out US interest for personal or career reasons.
Yes, I know the treason and traitor words give some Jews, connected or unconnected to the zionist, the hebbie jebbies but they're just going to have some faith in the American public, that we can clean up the corruption of our failed political gatekeepers against this kind of corrupton without indicting them as a group in the process.
Interesting!
Excellent job annie and hostage.
Follow this and keep us informed please.
Oh man, that e mail exchange is so typical of zionist.
Glen does not personally insult or name call on the Dersh yet Dersh spits venom, assault's Glen 's character in his every reply.
Sick man, really really sick.
'If he suffers from some mental illness, which is highly subjective anyway, it hasn't diminished his popularity and influence. '...DavidS
Looks like he's only popular with other people like him to me.
As for mentally ill.....I think MRWs posting some time back on the scientific theory that 'culture' (call it brainwashing if you like) can literally 're wire' the brain and then pass that 're-wiring' down has a lot to it.
In the zionist like the Dersh it has to be that 'chip failure" in their brain that lets them constantly contradict themselves in their own arguments...something that is obvious to non racist and to the normal logical brain.
There are die hard racist that can make much more subtle cases and arguements without the very obvious and glaring moral contradictions that Dersh stakes his arguments on.
There is something wrong with the Dersh brains whether it is some brain chip falure or his emotional lobe short circuits his reason/logic lobe...his Israel defending/positions are not even coherent to anyone who doesn't share the same mental glitch.
Read this.
link to jppi.org.il
Policy paper: China and the Jewish People
Published דצמ 14, 2004
Dr. Shalom Salomon Wald
The publication of the strategy report China and the Jewish People by the JPPPI in November 2004 (English) and March 2005 (Hebrew),has stimulated considerable interest particularly in the Diaspora but also in China. As a follow-up, the author has given a number of public conferences on this subject in the United States, France and China, and more are being planned. He is keeping in touch with the experts in this field in several countries and is encouraging efforts to carry out some of the recommendations of the report.
Read the full paper: China and the Jewish People
>>>>>>>>>>>
Its interesting, the 'plan' for China looks a lot like what I imagine the zionist plan for controlling and infiltrating the US looked like on paper in the 40's.
However I don't think the Zionist could gain the same degree of control or clout in China and it would take them a lot longer than the 65 years it took them in the US.
No one can deny the fact that the US having half the world’s population of Jews is one of the reasons why Zionist were able to establish their lobby and power...and that the political money lobby is the sole reason for US backing and why Israel even exist today.
In contrast China has a miniscule amount of Jews in their 1.3 billion population as the economist graph shows:
link to economist.com
Also China is atheist but does recognize a number of religions....such as Islam and Christianity..but does not recognize Judaism.
One of the above Policy Paper’s suggestions is to stir tensions between Muslims and others in China by propagandizing about Muslim violence..similar to what the Geller types do in the US. But since this would be hard to do thru official Chinese media their idea is to do it thru the universities and other academic venues.
The 2 main ‘offerings’ they suggest for bringing China to Israel a alliance are:....1) Jewish International Wealth and ‘connections’..i.e...helping China with other governments.....2) Israel as high tech center for China.
I don’t see China ever ‘allying’ with Israel politically...or taking Israel’s side in the ME, there isn’t any profit in that for China.
I could see China doing some business with Israel ‘if’ Israel made it profitable enough for China..but it wouldn’t be the kind of economic ‘give always’ to Israel the US has done. Also I don’t think China would do any ‘economic strong arming’ for Isr in the ME like the US has done ..like forcing other countries such as Egypt to use Israel produced materials in order to maintain their free trade zones and US imports rights.
I also don’t see Isr high tech being enough to sway China since high tech centers and research are literally everywhere in the world despite the fact that Israel want to think they invented it and despite the fact a lot of Americans also think we are the major or only brains in the industry.
What I think is going on is, the Zionist and Israel are seeing the huge economic spread of China, what it is doing in other countries around the world, the business partnerships they have established.....similar to the economic expansion of the US after WWll ...and they want to ‘hitch a ride’ on the Dragon same way they hitched a ride on the US.
But China aint America....imo, if China and Israel ever ‘form a alliance’ Isr will be dancing to China’s tune, not visa versa like it has been with the US dancing to Israel’s tune.
If Israel is or can move toward China I think it would be good...it would be a complication for them in the US that could hasten their demise in the US.
Read this.
link to jppi.org.il
Policy paper: China and the Jewish People
Published דצמ 14, 2004
Dr. Shalom Salomon Wald
The publication of the strategy report China and the Jewish People by the JPPPI in November 2004 (English) and March 2005 (Hebrew),has stimulated considerable interest particularly in the Diaspora but also in China. As a follow-up, the author has given a number of public conferences on this subject in the United States, France and China, and more are being planned. He is keeping in touch with the experts in this field in several countries and is encouraging efforts to carry out some of the recommendations of the report.
Read the full paper: China and the Jewish People
>>>>>>>>>>>
Its interesting, the 'plan' for China looks a lot like what I imagine the zionist plan for controlling and infiltrating the US looked like on paper in the 40's.
However I don't think the Zionist could gain the same degree of control or clout in China and it would take them a lot longer than the 65 years it took them in the US.
No one can deny the fact that the US having half the world’s population of Jews is one of the reasons why Zionist were able to establish their lobby and power...and that the political money lobby is the sole reason for US backing and why Israel even exist today.
In contrast China has a miniscule amount of Jews in their 1.3 billion population as the economist graph shows:
link to economist.com
Also China is atheist but does recognize a number of religions....such as Islam and Christianity..but does not recognize Judaism.
One of the above Policy Paper’s suggestions is to stir tensions between Muslims and others in China by propagandizing about Muslim violence..similar to what the Geller types do in the US. But since this would be hard to do thru official Chinese media their idea is to do it thru the universities and other academic venues.
The 2 main ‘offerings’ they suggest for bringing China to a Israel alliance are:....1) Jewish International Wealth and ‘connections’..i.e...helping China with other governments.....2) Israel as high tech center for China.
I don’t see China ever ‘allying’ with Israel politically...or taking Israel’s side in the ME, there isn’t any profit in that for China.
I could see China doing some business with Israel ‘if’ Israel made it profitable enough for China..but it wouldn’t be the kind of economic ‘give always’ to Israel the US has done. Also I don’t think China would do any ‘economic strong arming’ for Isr in the ME like the US has done ..like forcing other countries such as Egypt to use Israel produced materials in order to maintain their free trade zones and US imports rights.
I also don’t see Isr high tech being enough to sway China since high tech centers and research are literally everywhere in the world despite the fact that Israel wants to think they invented it and despite the fact a lot of Americans also think we are the major or only brains in the industry.
What I think is going on is, the Zionist and Israel are seeing the huge economic spread of China, what it is doing in other countries around the world, the business partnerships they have established.....similar to the economic expansion of the US after WWll ...and they want to ‘hitch a ride’ on the Dragon same way they hitched a ride on the US.
But China aint America....imo, if China and Israel ever ‘form a alliance’ Isr will be dancing to China’s tune, not visa versa like it has been with the US dancing to Israel’s tune.
If Israel is or can move toward China I think it would be good...it would be a complication for them in the US that could hasten their demise in the US.
Even as the Israel lobby as China's lobby (the same role they played for India in the US in exchange for India allying wth Israel) would likely hasten the US demise also...but then we all know this US-Isr thing
was destined to be lose-lose anyway.
@Ramzi Jaber
I think I'd take that Tablet article with a grain of salt. It's the typical Israelis hubris....implying that China is going to align with Israel and was only trying 'to fool the Arab ME ' by inviting Abbas.
Unlike the Israelis, I don't think the Chinese are dumb enough to assume the Arabs and everyone but them is stupid or naive.
Minds like the one that wrote this article and the reasoning process of google's Larry Page on recongizing Palestine gives me hope that there is some little nugget of 'social intelligence out there. Now if only the techonological leaders could/would make a 'political movement' out of 'Sociological Jurisprudence' we could clean up I/P and a lot of other problems.
Google Palestine: Larry Page's Sociological Jurisprudence
13 May 2013
Ahmed Teleb
'Making the decision for Google to change google.ps' website to mention "Palestine," CEO Larry Page didn't look at international law. Instead, he looked at what social institutions had done regarding Palestine. In turn, Google too followed suit.
Google's decision on May 3 to change google.ps' tagline to “Palestine,” implicitly recognized it as a state. It also encapsulated a jurisprudence (philosophy of law) that harkens back to a world-wide quasi-revolution in law from 100 years ago, called by many at the time, the solution to “a crisis of democracy.” Today, that approach may herald a new period of legal transition as recent technology and new economic realities collide with old laws and rights. Larry Page's decision, after noting international practice and consulting with international social and economic organizations (UN, ICANN, ISO), illustrates what was termed “sociological jurisprudence” 100 years ago. It is worth a closer look because of its attractiveness to the 21st Century mind.
At the turn of the 20th Century raged a debate (begun in the 1870s in America) in legal circles in the US, Europe, and European Colonies, regarding the relationship of law to society. New social realities and economic organizations forced governments (especially in rural American States) to legislate to protect farmers, consumers, and workers, often clashing with older notions of rights and freedoms. In the United States, this pushed the Progressive Era head on into a Supreme Court with 19th Century ideas about property rights in the famous and infamous Lochner v. NY case. A law limiting work hours for bakers was struck down as an unconstitutional infringement on “liberty of contract” in a 5-4 decision.
Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr, dissenter in the case, and Roscoe Pound (Dean of Harvard Law School), expressed views around the time that were termed “sociological jurisprudence” by others. Edouard Lambert in France and Eugen Ehrlich in Austria were their European analogs, and it was likely Ehrlich who coined the term “sociological jurisprudence.” It is his approach, it seems, that Larry Page recently adopted.
In Holmes’ view, law had always included a “social element” often obliging individuals to conform to group obligations even without “fault,” as expressed in The Common Law. He traced the social character of law through Roman, Germanic, English and American law. For him, “new” social and economic legislation that began with the 1870s Granger Laws was not at all novel in the larger view of history.
Dean Pound, on the other hand, historicized law not as legislation, but as “fundamental” rights themselves. He pointed out that rights and freedoms stem from the outlook and needs of each time period. With respect to the 18th and 19th Centuries in the west, freedom “to do what one will with one's property” reflected the culmination of the Age of Discovery and the Era of Colonization. Society sought to encourage exploration, pioneering, and domestication through individual initiative that, in turn, it rewarded and protected. Moreover, Pound argued, law changes were made in character from a closed, formal system, during periods of socio-economic stability, into an open, reflective system during periods of rapid change. During such epochs of change, law would open up to society and philosophy to receive society's new values and ends. These, in turn, would constitute the new rights and laws of the following era.
On the continent, Eugen Ehrlich took sociological jurisprudence a step further in the direction of political theory. In his view, that turned Hobbes on his head; law was not a product of the state or a sovereign but rather of a society that pre-dated the state and was logically prior to it. He cited examples of non-states throughout history where courts and judicial institutions exercised important roles. Those “social laws” were not always written in the form of statutes or cases, but were generally followed and enforced.
This is Larry Page's view. Making the decision for Google, he didn't look at written international law or law decreed or enforced by states. Page looked at what social institutions, like the UN and ICANN had done regarding Palestine. Since they and other international actors, including states, had treated it as a state for all intents and purposes, Google would follow suit.''
Ehrlich's and Page's approach is attractive to 21st Century thought for several reasons. First, it puts all social organizations on an equal footing. This relates to “net-neutrality” and open access to information and publicity. Second, it privileges organizational and social practice over the use of force. After all, the one missing element in Palestinian statehood is territorial integrity, akin to the ability to secure its borders. If almost everyone treats Palestine as a country in all other respects, then that should settle it. Third, it puts actual social practice over law in theory or “law in the books” as promulgated by political entities. Yes, both international law and even the UN Charter call for “territorial integrity” but the fact of the matter is that a people called the Palestinians elect a government, police themselves, and send and receive diplomats to other countries. In the sociological jurisprudence sense, Palestine is a state.
Lastly, sociological jurisprudence à la Larry Page, feels radically democratic. It is not the use of deadly military force, nor the decisions of political elites that determine what law-in-practice is, but rather people's day-to-day values-as-practiced, or even if enforced only by habit, social pressure, or mutual agreement. Perhaps Page has given law professors and political scientists something to write about for a few years. He may have also just sparked another revolution in jurisprudence.''
link to fairobserver.com
Obama is a ventriloquist dummy......'the Dems and I luv,luv,luv Israel, Give us the money, money,money.
BWTTGASO
''But it didn’t last as we then returned him and there was no water to wash up and cook. The settlements around us used all the water for their pools, lawns, and cars…… Oh we’ll, back to reality.''........Ramzi Jaber
I do not know how you stand all this, I really dont. I am afraid if it were me I'd turn as violent as the Israelis....you must be better people than a lot of us.
Here's the ad I want the public to see.
_______________________________________________________
The Obama Administration and the Democratic and Republican US Congress are cutting Americans Social Security by 103 Billion over the next 10 Years and raising American's Taxes by 1 Trillion Dollars.
During the same next 10 year they have pledged 50 Billion of US taxpayer money to Israel, and 50 Billion to Egypt and Jordon as part of the US arranged Israel-Egypt-Jordon Peace Agreement for a total of 100 Billion.
Americans or Israelis?...Shouldn't Americans have a say about who they want their tax money spent on?
Call your US Congress---1 877 762 8762
_______________________________________________________
When the activist start doing ads like this you'll know they are serious...till then they are just playing around.
And Hawking continues to reverberate.....
link to guardian.co.uk
Stephen Hawking's boycott hits Israel where it hurts: science
Hawking's boycott 'threatens to open a floodgate with more and more scientists coming to regard Israel as a pariah state'. Photograph: PA
Stephen Hawking's decision to boycott the Israeli president's conference has gone viral. Over 100,000 Facebook shares of the Guardian report at last count. Whatever the subsequent fuss, Hawking's letter is unequivocal. His refusal was made because of requests from Palestinian academics.
That the world's most famous scientist had recognised the justice of the Palestinian cause is potentially a turning point for the BDS campaign. And that his stand was approved by a majority of two to one in the Guardian poll that followed his announcement shows just how far public opinion has turned against Israel's relentless land-grabbing and oppression.
That the world's most famous scientist had recognised the justice of the Palestinian cause is potentially a turning point for the BDS campaign. And that his stand was approved by a majority of two to one in the Guardian poll that followed his announcement shows just how far public opinion has turned against Israel's relentless land-grabbing and oppression.
Hawking's decision threatens to open a floodgate with more and more scientists coming to regard Israel as a pariah state. Its research ties with European and American scientists must be protected.
We never know which Arab or Muslim groups are really Arab or Muslim inspired and which ones are paid cut outs and set up fronts by Zionist.
But Max is on the job! Killer research he does.
link to councilforthenationalinterest.org
Monday, 13 May 2013 11:32
Weddady’s Free Arabs, American Islamic Congress and the pro-Israel funders who helped them rise
Written by Max Blumenthal
Done.
So did I....not that it makes a damn ---but we should take every opportunty to attack this kind of cowardice and captulation to special and foreign interest----just so they know that some people know what they are.
Re:
‘Newseum’ folds under pressure, will not include Gaza cameramen in program honoring fallen journalists
Pathetic.
And you wonder why millions of Americans have nothing but utter contempt for the US press and ms media today and have deserted it in droves for the net and sources not tied to special and foreign interest .
The US press and msm has been more responsible than any other sector in the US for America's rejection of all internatonal law and it's abdication of its interest to a foreign country by lying to and hiding the facts on USA-Isr from the US public.
And when history writes up this treasonous Orwellian aberration in America that is how you will be described.'
frankier says:
May 13, 2013 at 11:30 am
Quelle surprise…
I wonder who are the donors of the newseum…""
Check out the officers, trustees, donors and their Freedom Foundation here:
link to newseum.org
Same old, same old....Newseum is a corporate media run, same old msm and pro Israeli figures and donors .
The fact that they have a 'freedom foundation'' that issues political 'opinions' tells you what the Newseum is.
It's as big a joke as the media and press itself is.
The ads on the US taxpayer $$$$ going to Israel will get the most attention from the average public.
That's an issue that can't be reduced and bogged down in a he said and she said back and forth.
That is a great cartoon!
"God forbid anyone suggest that the jews, as represented by their own Establishment leaders thru the ages, never learn from jewish history."...Citizen
lol...Well I have suggested it many times. Not that their group is alone in 'not learning' from the past.......but the combination of their obsession with their historical travails while at the same time acting a self fulfilling prophecy of it is different than most others who rush pell mell into the same mistakes without a fleeting thought of their past history and it's consquences.
@W Jones
"The church should be in the business of a Spiritual kingdom, rather than an earthly one.'
No I actually didn't know where that Ceasar quote originally came from...interesting.
And I agree the churches should stay in the spiritual business. They can rightly criticize and be active on worldly human injustices like Palestine and others.
And I think this statement......" “The Inheritance of Abraham,” rejects "claims that scripture offers any peoples a privileged claim for possession of a particular territory.” ....is a spiritual and christian one.
But what disturbs me is everyone 'takes the bait' on the Zio 'states right to exist' accusation and then looks into Christianity/religion for a response to it.....when it's not a religious or spiritual question.....it's a Ceasar question.
I think when a church makes a statement denying .."any peoples a privileged claim' (over others)... then that is the sum of the issue....something accepted/recognized by 99% of the world.
So when people get into the earthly 'states rights" so forth they are actually diluting the real core of what the church is taking a stand on.
Imo the church should reply to the zio's red herring accusations by just saying something like, ...'the politics of states rights to exist is not within the pervue of the Church, the equality of all people on earth and in the eyes of God is within our pervue and that is what our position reflects.'
That's the only reply to the zio's needed....full stop.
Let the zio's then rail against the 'all people equal in the eyes of God' if they want.....and further ruin themselves in the process.
@MK_Ultra
That's impressive except for two things :
'We were given the Holy Land by G-d'
&
'On the contrary; we have to be humble and accept the yoke of exile.'
The idea that God gave any people a special parcel of land on earth is exactly the Judaism thread Zionist latch onto.
And the having to be 'humble' is not a bad thing for people, but combined with the idea of punishment and suffering, being 'on the outs' so to speak, that is so pervasive in Judaism I can see where human nature would lead people to rebel against that 'humbling' identity given the opportunity....which is what zionism gave them...an opportunity to rebel against the humble status.
W.Jones
Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God's.
That is what you need go by here on earth and leave the rest of the questions for whatever after life you beleve in.
Cause whatever God(s) exist is not going to e mail his religious adherents an answer to their state right to exist question.
That's going to be left up to the Caesars here on earth.
''It seems to concede that the original language contributed to a "culture of anti-Semitism."
Zionist don't care about anti semitism. The anti semitism accusation is a tool they use to try and enforce on the world that idea that Jews and any deeds 'done by anything Jewish ', particularly Israel, are unassailable ---that they are earthly 'Gods ' by virtue of their holocaust and therefore a unquestionable deity.
This is the racism of zionism, it's more than ordinary racism actually , it's pure insanity.
"I was celebrating the incredible fact that I, as a proud Jew AND Zionist was able to stand exactly where I was.''
You have nothing to be proud of.
yona friedman says:
May 10, 2013 at 5:14 pm
Woody- You’re entitled to your opinion, but what you’re saying is that crying wolf and being a wolf are equally bad.>>>>>
No. The zios are the wolf crying wolf....they are both the wolf and the cryer.
Another version of their ' shoot and cry routine.'
'Dershowitz is ‘Anti-Goy’ more than anything else'..gingershot
I think you just nailed him...he's a real hater and his outlet for it is defending Israel......just like he accuses others of supporting Palestine only cause they hate Jews.
projection, projection,projection...the Dersh is a classic case and example.
''Dershowitz: Let me put it this way, I have never met anybody except perhaps Palestinians who really give one good goddamn about the Palestinian people. ''
I think this what is called 'projection'.....translated>>>>'I cant understand any one caring about others because I myself dont give a shit about anyone but Jews, which is perfectly 'normal'.
I remember Siegman's article in The Nation, but he was on the job even before that and didn't mince words then either.
Siegman should get a Medal of Freedom award along with all the other whistle blowers on Orwell Isr and Orwell USA.
link to lrb.co.uk
Vol. 31 No. 2 · 29 January 2009
pages 3-5 | 2223 words
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Israel’s Lies
Henry Siegman
Western governments and most of the Western media have accepted a number of Israeli claims justifying the military assault on Gaza: that Hamas consistently violated the six-month truce that Israel observed and then refused to extend it; that Israel therefore had no choice but to destroy Hamas’s capacity to launch missiles into Israeli towns; that Hamas is a terrorist organisation, part of a global jihadi network; and that Israel has acted not only in its own defence but on behalf of an international struggle by Western democracies against this network.
I am not aware of a single major American newspaper, radio station or TV channel whose coverage of the assault on Gaza questions this version of events. Criticism of Israel’s actions, if any (and there has been none from the Bush administration), has focused instead on whether the IDF’s carnage is proportional to the threat it sought to counter, and whether it is taking adequate measures to prevent civilian casualties.
Middle East peacemaking has been smothered in deceptive euphemisms, so let me state bluntly that each of these claims is a lie. Israel, not Hamas, violated the truce: Hamas undertook to stop firing rockets into Israel; in return, Israel was to ease its throttlehold on Gaza. In fact, during the truce, it tightened it further.
continued
''When people like Elliot Abrams or Alan Dershowitz make ludicrous charges, they should be publicly scorned; their employers should get letters and phone calls condemning what they’re doing. But please note, the goal is not to silence them, to keep them from participating: The goal is to legitimate the use of smear tactics and make them backfire.''.....Walt
..'publicly scorned'...'make them backfire'. O.K. now that Walt has said it I want everyone that had a fit over my 'shunning' suggestion to eat their objections.
I am telling you, you cannot debate the uber zionist any more than you can debate with a tin foil hat and die hard racist. You have to denounce them, their accusations and beliefs and make them social and political pariahs in the world.
Every time the oh so 'reasonable' crew suggest debating the zionist they are only adding to the absurd idea that there is anything there 'worthy' of debate.
There isn't. Take away their 'bully power' by making them pay a price for it every time they try to use it.
'I am pleased that Jerusalem has a real solid Jewish presence after so many years of Jews having to kow-tow to others to gain access to THEIR holy places.''...miriam6
Everything you say is so revealing of the zionist cult..
It's all about the Jewish meme of having been innocently persecuted and now you want to make others kow tow to you.
You're flying too close to the sun honey....you're gonna get burned on that revenge trip.
@ Ron
Peruse the MW archives to see the 1001 Israeli claims that have been debunked here.....everything from the invention of cherry tomatoes and irrigation and solar, to cell phones ,to robots , to brain chips for paralyzed limbs, to life saving drugs. .........if it exist the Israelis will claim they invented it.....lol
Huum.....are you sure this is a 'US brokered' plan?..as in Obama-Kerry- Etc, brokered plan?
Saudi analyst, Anwar Ashki is actually wth the Saudi Middle East Center for Strategic and Legal Studies------which Prince Bandar was also appointed to for the express purpose of Saudi ''exercising more regional control in the face of the Arab Spring and Iran's influence in the region." Iow....what that meant is Saudi is going to become more active and aggressive in maintaining 'the Status Quo' that favors them.
I only read the piece below from the Times but my guess is Saudi, like Israel is trying to maneuver the US with their own think tank version of US PNAC-Project for the New American Century.... call it "PNEC"- Project for the New Mid East Century.
Couple of things I find very suspicious about this reported plan...one being this:
“While just recently a breakthrough has seen some improvement in ties, and the Times previously reported that Israel might base strategic assault aircraft in Turkey, ‘’
And this:
‘as the Sunday Times report also said, Israel gained access to radar stations in Saudi Arabia and the UAE. Israel would then in exchange share information from its early warning radar and anti-ballistic missile defense systems, though “it’s not clear in what form.” It is also being reported that Jordan would be protected by Israel’s Arrow long-range anti-missile system’
I cant see either of those happening. Saudis are nefarious but not stupid.....their goal is the status quo, not a regional war and sharing anything with Israel they know would lead to Isr misusing it to start a regional war cause Isr does want one.
And Israel extending their missile shield to Jordon?....they cant even pay for the one in Israel without the US..so the US is going to build and pay for a ME missile defense system?
But what signals that Saudi is going to go flat out on repression of any revolts against their Sunni rule is the ‘announcement’ that they would be on Israel’s side if Isr hit Iran......that is bound to inflame most of the ME population.
Looks like to me the US is being double teamed by Saudi and Isr to enforce both their agendas and goals.
I guess the US might fall for it...... we been stupid enough to fall for everything else.
'... identifying oneself as a Jew within the anti zionist movement subtly reinforces the idea that Jews have a special right to speak on this issue and thereby devalues the contribution of those not identified as Jews. ''....not at all
I don't think that's the position of JVP.......but it is very obvious among the Liberal Zionist. When you look in on their conversations their weird idea that non Jews in the US have no right to any say so about their country's Isr policy is glaring......even though we are paying for it and it ultimately affects all Americans.....imo it 's the sense of Jewish holocaust entitlement compounded and further screwed up by the zionist special/unique people thing.
"That Morgenthau saw drastic measures to be taken against the Germans as the path forward, seen from today seems like a desire for vengeance, "..yonah
Quit trying to justify Morgenthau's vengeance by pretending his goal was just to reduce Germany to a non threat.
Evidently you are ignorant of whole story and how all of Europe objected to his plan as one that would 'pull the underpinnings' of the whole European economy.
Morgenthau didn't give a shit about post war Europe or planing or anything but making sure as many Germans as possible died of starvation and disease as possible in post war Germany. Ever read his JCS 1067, I suggest you read it.
And what the real cincher is on Morgenthau?....he actually tried to 'keep secret" parts of it, that's how sick it was.
He didn't allow any 'donated' food into Germany and had the US Army enforce the order that US troops and their families were to destroy their own 'excess food' rather than letting German families have access to it.
''In early October 1945 the UK government privately acknowledged in a cabinet meeting that, German civilian adult death rates had risen to four times the pre-war levels and death rates amongst the German children had risen by 10 times the pre-war levels.[62] ''
After that report the US congress had had enough of Morgenthau and his 'Morgenthau boys" he had dispatched to Germany to out nazi the nazis.
Maybe the US anti semites will give the zionist children the same treatment bloodthirsty Morgenthau gave the Germans when the zionist nazi enterprise goes down in flames.
I am sure you will also 'understand' that preventive measure applied to Israel and zionist too when the time comes......right?
yonah fredman says:
May 10, 2013 at 3:11 am
lysias- It was fortunate that the plan to impoverish Germany was not necessary to stop Germany from starting any more wars. But Morgenthau’s instinct was not wrong and I do not hold his plan as infamous, but unfortunate.
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Either you are ignorant of all the dirty details of his plan and how many people and children the blood thirsty, driven by revenge Morgenthau starved in postwar Germany or you're no better than a nazi.
"The problem is, that Phil really rebelled and rebels against all things Jewish except that which meets his approval, those things that can be adapted and useful to the assimilationist."....yonah
If you want Jews and Judaism to survive and thrive then you need to 'assimilate'.
Zionist have this delusion that the existence of Israel represents the success of the idea of Jews 'as some separate and world wide nation of people'......when in fact it represents the total failure.
If you can't maintain your religion without making yourself 'alien' in the peoplehood sense then you aren't going to last...or at minimum aren't going to have a peaceful existence.
"Most Americans do not criticize the United States in harsh terms. "....hoppie
roflmao!.......you must live under a rock.....there are 2 Americas..the one out here and the one in Washington...the one in Washington has a 19% favorability rating.....81% that live in the other America are criticizing it plenty.
'The problem is too severe and Palestinian human rights too important to seek to ameliorate matters by dialogue''
Right....... and there is nothing left to debate.
"Something happens....then you make a choice and take a side"
Graham Green.."The Quiet American"