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  • Israeli president's diagnosis -- 'Israel is a sick society' -- doesn't go viral in the U.S.
    • '' As Sulllivan says, any American who said this would be instantly marginalized and smeared as an anti-Semite.""

      The percentage of people in any population who can be 'marginalized ' by zio-nazis is actually pretty low and mostly in media/journalism, politics, and (increasingly less so) in academia.
      So when the bulk of any population realizes the I-People cant really do anything 'to them' --except try to get them thru their own government---which only further pisses them off---the a-s power turns out to be not much.
      Its only real power then is keeping the media/polico propaganda going--which fewer and fewer people rely on for accuracy.
      For the average American being a whistle blower is punishment free,

      ''“It is important to refuse to be intimidated. That refusal must not be based simply on a calculation of the odds of succeeding. .
      The refusal to be intimidated must come, in the end, not from a sureness of succeeding but from a knowledge of the cost of scurrying for shelter through fake retractions and disowned truths. It is a question, in the end of self-respect''
      ...Confessions of a Whistle-Blower:

  • The rabbi's fridge
    • '' How many students have ever been called in to Cutler Hall to talk to the police and the Department of Homeland Security? … How many people are concerned about doing this panel or coming to this event because they’re afraid?” ->>>

      I am not clear on this----was she called in to talk to H. Sec about the threats against her or was she called in because of her blood bucket protest against Isr occupation?

  • The ice floe
    • Seriously......forget those older Jews because no one is going to change them.
      Anyone who is really serious about ending I/P and any kind of justice for Palestine should understand by now who they have to go after.
      While BDS is having an effect world wide and campus protest/ divisions are having a effect in academia they havent yet drawn any blood in congress and Us government.
      So I'll say again--go after the politicians, go after the politicians.
      Wiping the Israeli aberration out of the US 'politically' is the fastest way to kill Israel's occupation and confiscation of Palestine and the only way to make sure it stays dead.

      “A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”

      Marcus Tullius Cicero

    • '' You’re just a militant (Phil)......hoppie'

      That is so funny!
      Phil is a pussy cat.
      People like me are the militants.

    • This is not the right place to put this but bear with me cause it is related to I/P and US_Israel issue.
      "Pay 2 Play'...haven't seen it yet. ... but we know this is the main problem with Isr as well as everything else.

      link to convio.motherjones.com

      Please consider joining us at a screening or hosting your own screening of the film Pay 2 Play: Democracy's High Stakes. link to convio.motherjones.com

      SYNOPSIS:

      PAY 2 PLAY follows filmmaker John Ennis' quest to find a way out from under the Pay 2 Play System, defined by Ennis as the cycle where Politicians reward their donors with even larger sums from the public treasury -- through contracts, jobs, tax cuts, and deregulation. PAY 2 PLAY picks up where Ennis left off in his last film FREE FOR ALL. Ennis has recognized that by Election Day, so much has already happened to decide which candidates are or are not on the ballot, the result is surprisingly undemocratic. Driven by his need to make the world better for his newborn daughter to inherit, Ennis determines to study our road to elected office to find a way we can get out from under the Pay 2 Play System.
      link to convio.motherjones.com

      We are asking people to host screenings because we want to create a dialogue around both the problem of big money's corruption of our democracy and the solutions we can work towards together. House party screenings are a great way to bring people together in your community and then join in the actions of our partner organizations who are working towards the solutions we propose in the film.

      It's more than just a movie, it's a movement.

    • '' That’s the broad center of Israeli society now. You can take that on but you have to oppositional. You can’t do it from the heart of Israeli society and you can’t do it from the heart of Jewish life. They’re not interested. -''...Phil

      Give it up, it will only make you crazy...and sick.
      Their 'dialogues' are like a nice soothing massages for themselves.

  • Junot Díaz comes out in support of the academic and cultural boycott of Israel
    • Here's another victory....
      The I-bully boys lose again.

      link to freebeacon.com

      ''L.A. Hotel to Host Anti-Israel Confab
      Westin Bonaventure and owner stand by ASA''

      They were threatening to sue Westin for allowing ASA to use their hotel for a conference claiming it was anti semitic.

      Westin answered them with the equivalent of a corporate get f'ed brush off:

      “The Westin Bonaventure does not discriminate and is committed to meeting the requirements of the Civil Rights Act at all times,” a spokesman for the hotel’s parent company told the Washington Free Beacon in a statement over the weekend.

      “The hotel respects the privacy of our groups and guests, and we do not choose, nor refuse, to do business based upon ideologies or affiliations,” the statement said. “We are in the business of hospitality, and if rooms are available, anyone may reserve accommodations and receive the benefit of our services.''

  • A peek inside the Israeli subconscious as revealed at the King Hussein crossing from Jordan
    • Someone in the crowd brought what looks a hundred year old woman in a wheel chair with no teeth and pasted a yellow start on her,,,...I wonder if she even knows where she is.

    • A peek also inside the US zionist....
      I dont what their objections are to the Death Of Klinghoffer play at the Lincoln Center but you should see the pictures that go with Max's tweets on this...real sick crowd.

      link to twitter.com

      Max Blumenthal @MaxBlumenthal · 3h 3 hours ago

      The self-proclaimed "Klinghoffer Marshal" is handing out yellow Stars of David to fellow Jews

      Max Blumenthal @MaxBlumenthal · 3h 3 hours ago

      A scene outside the Met - What can you even say about this?

      Max Blumenthal @MaxBlumenthal · 3h 3 hours ago

      One of the signs being waved by Zionist fanatics outside the Met - very clever

      Max Blumenthal @MaxBlumenthal · 3h 3 hours ago

      Some pro-Israel speaker is now attacking Met Director Peter Gelb on the basis of his Judaism, likening him to Arafat.
      0 replies 22 retweets 5 favorites

      Max Blumenthal @MaxBlumenthal · 4h 4 hours ago

      The JDL is handing these out and organizing outside Lincoln Center. Rudy Giuliani is due to speak soon

      Max Blumenthal @MaxBlumenthal · 4h 4 hours ago

      Zionist fanatics are shouting at theater goers at Lincoln Center, calling them "Nazi pigs"

      Max Blumenthal @MaxBlumenthal · 4h 4 hours ago

      This Zionist anti-art rally at Lincoln Center is filled with Kahanists and members of the violent extremist JDL

      Max Blumenthal @MaxBlumenthal · 4h 4 hours ago

      This woman, also wearing a yellow star, recognized me. "Max Blumenthal, disgusting Jew!" she shouted

      Max Blumenthal @MaxBlumenthal · 4h 4 hours ago

      This Zionist anti-art demonstrator is wearing a yellow Star of David

      Max Blumenthal @MaxBlumenthal · 4h 4 hours ago

      A few hundred Zionist fanatics are outside Lincoln Center protesting

  • B'Tselem video: Israeli soldiers blindfold and detain 11 year old disabled child
    • '' Just look at those IDF pictures of soldiers abusing Palestinians.
      Why can’t Israel be a normal country? Because it’s run on trauma''....seafood

      I don't think you can claim the trauma excuse for the IDF.
      They have never fought any protracted war like WWI or Vietnam or Iraq. To compare them to the veterans of real wars is actually an insult to others veterans.
      They haven't been traumatized , they are living in a society in which they are 'The Supremes'----I hardly call that traumatizing.
      These young Israelis in the IDF are run on the hate they got in their zionist milk.
      It's hate , not trauma that makes them what they are.

  • 'I know how the brainwashing works'
    • '' That’s why I firmly believe that the Americans are the only ones that can force the necessary change upon them - ""

      The Americans (Gov.) will have to be forced to change first------before they will force Israel.

      Thomas Jefferson recommended "a decent respect for the opinion of mankind."
      Exactly what Zionist and Washington doesn't have.
      They are going to have to be 'taught' that lesson.

  • Anti-semitism charge is increasingly being leveled against Israel's mainstream critics
    • Uh oh....more complications. Will they be able to keep this a private fight or will the NYT announce one day the CZs are now officially anti semites ?

      link to forward.com

      ''Christian Evangelicals Push Aliyah — and Jews Are Concerned
      Born Again Group Set To Launch Mass Aliyah

      Related:
      Jews Cast Wary Eye on Evangelicals
      Evangelicals Seen Forging Alliance With ‘Messianic Jews’

      Here's my new conspiracy theory on this--(beside Jews having to convert or get eaten by locust on doomsday).
      The Evangelicals want the Jews to go to Israel so they can't be any kind of lobby for separation for church and state and oppose Christendom, then the Evangels can proceed with their plan to turn the US into a Evangelical ( or a least a official) Christian nation.

      Mirror, mirror on the wall, whose the smartest(craziest) of them all...the Zios or the Evangelicals?

    • People are tiring of the anti semitism claims, even evidently the NYPD.

      Brooklyn, NY - Arrest Made In Barclays Center Attack: NYPD Says No Hate Crime

      Published on: Today 01:46 PM
      By: Sandy Eller

      Brooklyn, NY - Just over one week after a local Jewish leader in New York was assaulted at Barclays Center, the NYPD has announced the arrest of a suspect in the incident.
      25 year old Shawn Schraeder of Queens was arrested by police on Thursday, October 16th and charged with assault and harassment.

      An NYPD spokesperson told VIN News that while the incident was investigated as a possible bias incident, the investigation determined that bias was not a motivating factor in the attack on Leonard Petlakh, executive director of the Kings Bay YM-YWHA.

      The incident in question took place on October 7th, during an exhibition game between the Brooklyn Nets and the Tel Aviv Maccabis, with Schraeder and his companions seated in front of Petlakh and his party.

      A woman seated with Schraeder’s held up a Palestinian flag and an argument ensued when a member of Petlakh’s group grabbed the flag. Security guards intervened, escorting both groups out of the arena and the altercation continued outside Barclays Center, with Schraeder allegedly punching the 42 year old Petlakh in the left eye.

      Petlakh, who attended the game with his two sons, suffered a broken nose and received eight stitches as a result of the attack.

      City Councilman Mark Treyger praised the NYPD for its quick work in the case.

      “This sends a clear message that our city will not tolerate violence against anyone and will devote the necessary time and resources to investigating all incidents of hatred,” said Treyger.

      Assemblyman Steven Cymbrowitz criticized the NYPD for not classifying the attack as a hate crime in a written statement.

      “I’m pleased that police arrested a suspect in the brutal attack on Leonard Petlakh but I find it disturbing that they do not plan to charge him with a bias crime. Given the anti-Semitic nature of this attack, I urge authorities to reconsider this decision. I will be calling on the district attorney to treat this as a bias case and seek the harshest penalties that are allowed under the law.''>>>>

      But the Jewish genius that got punched doesn't comprehend the ''not a hate crime'' and continues to bray to the pack about the hatemongers:

      “I am thrilled that the New York Police department has taken this very seriously,” Petlakh said. “I relish the day that we will see these hatemongers in our courtroom.”

      Read more: link to forward.com

    • palijustice
      October 19, 2014, 3:41 pm

      If a person is attacked with the slur of antisemitism when they criticize Israel’s policies, the counter should be......"

      Hysterical peals of `laughter'.

    • Yes the anti semitism ploy is exhausted.
      Its the same plastic Israeli record played for 65 years now.
      Its worn down to irritating, meaningless, stuck in a groove static.

      Cant they think of something new ?

  • 'NYT' can't keep its story straight on anti-Semitism in Germany
    • @ jon s

      ''Some statistics appear here:

      link to antisemitism.org.il
      >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

      Well that is one of the most puke worthy orgs and reports I have seen.
      When are going you get out of the cult and realize that Isr orgs, ADL and orgs like the Southern Poverty Law Center are more interested in shit stirring and race and religion 'baiting' than truth and facts. Just like Isr and ADL, a lot of these phony 'civil rights orgs exist to stir shit---without shit stirring and hyping they lose their reason for existence.

      I haven't looked up the European equivalent of the US FBI Hate Crimes report but the claims of the ADL and the other Z-orgs claim about Jewish hate crimes are ridiculous. You can be sure they lie about the stats there just as they do about the US stats.
      The FBI hasn't released the full 2013 report but did release a statement that US hate crimes were down by 5% the first half of 2013.
      The last full report was 2012. There's quite a difference between the 5,700 hate crimes and the *250,000* hate crimes the ADL and the SPLC claim in the US.

      link to fbi.gov

      Incidents and Offenses
      Download Printable Document

      The Uniform Crime Reporting Program collects data about both single-bias and multiple-bias hate crimes. For each offense type reported, law enforcement must indicate at least one bias motivation. A single-bias incident is defined as an incident in which one or more offense types are motivated by the same bias. A multiple-bias incident is defined as an incident in which more than one offense type occurs and at least two offense types are motivated by different biases.

      In 2012, 1,730 law enforcement agencies reported 5,796 hate crime incidents involving 6,718 offenses.
      There were 5,790 single-bias incidents that involved 6,705 offenses, 7,151 victims, and 5,322 offenders.
      The 6 multiple­-bias incidents reported in 2012 involved 13 offenses, 13 victims, and 9 offenders. (See Tables 1 and 12.)
      Single-bias incidents
      Analysis of the 5,790 single-bias incidents reported in 2012 revealed that:

      48.3 percent were racially motivated.
      19.6 percent resulted from sexual-orientation bias.
      19.0 percent were motivated by religious bias.
      11.5 percent stemmed from ethnicity/national origin bias.
      1.6 percent were prompted by disability bias. (Based on Table 1.)
      Offenses by bias motivation within incidents
      Of the 6,705 single-bias hate crime offenses reported in the above incidents:

      49.2 percent stemmed from racial bias.
      19.7 percent were motivated by sexual-orientation bias.
      17.4 percent resulted from religious bias.
      12.3 percent were prompted by ethnicity/national origin bias.
      1.5 percent resulted from biases against disabilities. (Based on Table 1.)
      Racial bias
      In 2012, law enforcement agencies reported that 3,297 single-bias hate crime offenses were racially motivated. Of these offenses:

      66.1 percent were motivated by anti-black bias.
      22.4 percent stemmed from anti-white bias.
      4.1 percent resulted from anti-Asian/Pacific Islander bias.
      4.1 percent were a result of bias against groups of individuals consisting of more than one race (anti-multiple races, group).
      3.3 percent were motivated by anti-American Indian/Alaskan Native bias. (Based on Table 1.)

      Religious bias
      Hate crimes motivated by religious bias accounted for 1,166 offenses reported by law enforcement. A breakdown of the bias motivation of religious-biased offenses showed:

      59.7 percent were anti-Jewish.
      12.8 percent were anti-Islamic.
      7.6 percent were anti-multiple religions, group.
      6.8 percent were anti-Catholic.
      2.9 percent were anti-Protestant.
      1.0 percent were anti-Atheism/Agnosticism/etc.
      9. 2 percent were anti-other (unspecified) religion. (Based on Table 1.)
      Sexual-orientation bias
      In 2012, law enforcement agencies reported 1,318 hate crime offenses based on sexual-orientation bias. Of these offenses:

      54.6 percent were classified as anti-male homosexual bias.
      28.0 percent were reported as anti-homosexual bias.
      12.3 percent were prompted by an anti-female homosexual bias.
      3.1 percent were classified as anti-bisexual bias.
      2.0 percent were the result of an anti-heterosexual bias. (Based on Table 1.)
      Ethnicity/national origin bias
      Of the single-bias incidents, 822 offenses were committed based on the offenders’ bias toward the perceived ethnicity or national origin of the victim. Of these offenses:

      59.4 percent were anti-Hispanic bias.
      40.6 percent were anti-other ethnicity/national origin bias. (Based on Table 1.)
      Disability bias
      There were 102 reported hate crime offenses committed based on disability bias. Of these:

      82 offenses were classified as anti-mental disability.
      20 offenses were reported as anti-physical disability. (See Table 1.)
      By offense types
      Of the 6,718 reported hate crime offenses in 2012:

      28.4 percent were destruction/damage/vandalism.
      23.4 percent were simple assault.
      22.2 percent were intimidation.
      12.7 percent were aggravated assault.
      The remainder were comprised of additional crimes against persons and property. (Based on Table 2.)
      Offenses by crime category
      Among the 6,718 hate crime offenses reported:

      59.1 percent were crimes against persons.
      37.9 percent were crimes against property.
      The remainder were crimes against society. (Based on Table 2.) (See Data Collection in Methodology.)
      Crimes against persons
      Law enforcement reported 3,968 hate crime offenses as crimes against persons. By offense type:

      39.6 percent were simple assault.
      37.5 percent were intimidation.
      21.5 percent were aggravated assault.
      0.6 percent consisted of 10 murders and 15 forcible rapes.
      0.8 percent involved the offense category other, which is collected only in the National Incident-Based Reporting System. (Based on Table 2.)
      The majority of the 2,547 hate crime offenses that were crimes against property (74.8 percent) were acts of destruction/damage/vandalism.
      The remaining 25.2 percent of crimes against property consisted of robbery, burglary, larceny-theft, motor vehicle theft, arson, and other crimes. (Based on Table 2.)
      Crimes against property
      The majority of the 2,547 hate crime offenses that were crimes against property (74.8 percent) were acts of destruction/damage/vandalism.
      The remaining 25.2 percent of crimes against property consisted of robbery, burglary, larceny-theft, motor vehicle theft, arson, and other crimes. (Based on Table 2.)
      Crimes against society
      There were 203 offenses defined as crimes against society (e.g., drug or narcotic offenses or prostitution).

      By victim type
      When considering the type of victims among the reported 6,718 hate crime offenses:

      79.6 percent were directed at individuals.
      4.6 percent were against businesses or financial institutions.
      3.0 percent were against society.
      2.9 percent were against government.
      2.7 percent were against religious organizations.
      The remaining 7.2 percent were directed at other, multiple, or unknown victim types. (Based on Table 6.)

      696 incidents involving attacks on Jewishness, out of 325 million people in the US, the bulk of which were defacement of property.
      OMG!, its a holocaust. Not.

    • Zio picks fight with White Nationalist-----Zio loses.

      Randy Scheunemann of the Emergency Committee for Israel and PNAC charges club member with racism and gets himself dumped instead. I am sure someone is going to blame it on anti semitism.

      '''When a top GOP foreign-policy aide met a well-connected white nationalist at a mountain ski resort, a long-simmering right-wing feud almost came to blows''

      link to thedailybeast.com

      '' This time, with ample evidence to back his case, Scheuneman complained to the club’s organizers, outraged that they had offered someone (especially a highly controversial public figure) full membership without consulting other members, an apparent breach of protocol. And so Scheunemann offered an ultimatum: Kick Spencer out, or he would leave.

      The club chose to keep Spencer.
      None of its leaders responded to queries from The Daily Beast.

      Asked for comment, Spencer replied, “Randy Scheunemann has given you a gross mischaracterization of events. However, I will not elaborate for the simple reason that this is a private matter involving a private organization. I refuse to bring private matters into a public discussion.”
      >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

      I am not going to call White Nationalism a 'trend' yet. But there are lots of examples in out of the way stories that nationalism or something similar is making a comeback among the public and some proponents of it are accepted in elite social circles. And in those news stories are also examples that more people are fed up with US Israelites like Scheunemann and their Zionistas stomping around the US like they own the place.

      ''Beware the beginnings, consider the end"..would be good advice to all the supreme groups.

    • From what I have read its mostly economical.
      Prices of housing and food are higher in Israel.
      I don't remember the average pay in Israel but I think that it is higher in Germany.
      Also I read on here I believe from someone that Jews are exempt from military service or don't have to register for it in Germany .
      And of course they do have mandatory military service in Israel.
      So several factors in favor of leaving Israel.

  • As Kerry scrambles to prevent Palestinian action at UN, Israeli govt makes clear it will never accept Palestinian state
    • '' Congressman Joe Wilson ''

      OMG, !!!!!....I forgot about that idiot. He infuriated me to the point during the run up to the Iraq invasion and I wrote him a letter.
      Upset him so much he wrote me back a 2 page letter about his 'beliefs and how he was a true patriot' and I was wrong.
      Sending ebola into his voter base might not be a bad idea they are already the Walking Dead .

    • Ditto.
      Said that fr beginning.
      The UN DID define the boarders Israel just didnt 'accept ' them.
      Those boarders are the only land that Isr can legally --if you could call it legal ----claim.
      Push them back in it.

  • 'Progressive' rabbi ascribes Roger Waters's concern with 500 Palestinian child victims to rocker's alleged drug use
    • '' Who gives a fiddlers fart what this zionist wacko thinks - ''amigo

      Fewer and fewer people.
      He's a snake.

  • Israel's Dead Soul: Steven Salaita's critical scholarship explains his dismissal from the University of Illinois
    • Why is he writing about Israel's Dead Soul?
      I don't get it.
      Why isnt he writing on what US Zionist are doing to the US academic institutions and freedom of speech.

      You'd have to write at least a 1000 page volume if you wanted to connect Israel to the multiculturalism and pluralism and the other isms Zionist have hypocritically pushed for their own agenda in the US.

    • This also very interesting

      link to nationalreview.com

      October 16, 2014 6:00 PM

      When Defending Israel Becomes ‘Religious Discrimination’
      A Fordham University professor is charged with a secret Title IX complaint.
      By Kim McCarthy

      snips...

      "How do you try to prove a charge of religious discrimination against a Jesuit university’s professor of history and anti-Semitism studies?

      You’d think you could ask Professor Doron Ben-Atar, who was just cleared of this accusation, leveled by another professor. But he can’t tell you either, because he was investigated by the university’s Title IX commission, he says, without ever being informed of the charges against him. “They never told me what I did wrong, because I didn’t do anything wrong,” Ben-Atar says. “All I did was stand up against anti-Semitism.”

      ''Yet there’s a broader issue than the complaint itself. “The administration failed to say to Dr. McGee, ‘Listen, you have a political disagreement with Dr. Ben-Atar. This is not something that requires bigger action,’” Ben-Atar says.''>>>>>

      Dumbo doesn't know what he did wrong.
      Dumbo doesn't know that shooting his mouth off in typical zionist fashion about how any other academic who is for BDS is an anti semite just might piss off some non Jewish academics who then report him for religious discrimination toward non Jews.

      Yea its stretch---- but I like it--its like a price tag for a snotty mouth zionist who thinks he can smear anyone and not be smeared back.
      And I am pretty certain the non Jewish professor who charged him with religious discrimination did it just to cause him some aggravation, cost him some legal fees and make an example of him.

      Then dumbo, true to also zionistas hypocritical form, whines about how 'having a political disagreement shouldnt rise to the to the level of legal charges.
      Like lawfare and suing everyone on earth isnt the zionist stock and trade in 'political disagreements.'

      More price tags please. Make their slurring of other people cost them something.

  • The Center for Jewish Life is stifling free speech at Princeton University
  • Clintonite turns on Netanyahu for trying to bend US 'to his will'
    • I really have no interest in the Ginsbergs zio nattering and not much in what world leaders, politicians or political operatives say.
      The only recent exception was the UK Parliament action.

      At least in the US VIP and groupie levels they arent going to change, do anything, or reform themselves.
      I am much more interested right now in looking for 'trends' in the grassroots public toward Israel.

      The public trend overseas is already out in the open and you can find in everywhere in small local examples like this one:

      link to electronicintifada.net

      ''Welsh council embargoes Israel over Gaza "savageness"
      Submitted by Asa Winstanley on Fri, 10/17/2014 - 18:18

      It is bubbling in the US public also...aside from activist protest.
      You can find some examples of US 'society'---private business, resturants, clubs, ect---- reacting to Isr and Us support of it but you have to look for the news stories in the local newspapers, not the big press.
      It has gone 'local' in the US----just not yet as big or widespread as Europe.

    • Citizen
      October 17, 2014, 7:54 am

      Israel’s pursuing stronger relations with China, as we saw early this year, and also to India.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

      That is good ----- will create more problems and complications for the US- Isr 'relationship'.

  • From Schindler to Gaza-- two evenings at the Lensic theater
    • Excellent!
      Another Righteous Jew for my awards list!

      We better get busy drumming up more Righteous Gentiles too...my list is somewhat short in that category.

  • Hamas is Nazi Germany and Israel is valiant and desperate England -- explains Canadian Jewish leader
    • The War Prayer
      by Mark Twain

      It was a time of great and exalting excitement. The country was up in arms, the war was on, in every breast burned the holy fire of patriotism; the drums were beating, the bands playing, the toy pistols popping, the bunched firecrackers hissing and spluttering; on every hand and far down the receding and fading spread of roofs and balconies a fulttering wilderness of flags flashed in the sun; daily the young volunteers marched down the wide avenue gay and fine in their new uniforms, the proud fathers and mothers and sisters and sweethearts cheering them with voices choked with happy emotion as they swung by; nightly the packed mass meetings listened, panting, to patriot oratory with stirred the deepest deeps of their hearts, and which they interrupted at briefest intervals with cyclones of applause, the tears running down their cheeks the while; in the churches the pastors preached devotion to flag and country, and invoked the God of Battles beseeching His aid in our good cause in outpourings of fervid eloquence which moved every listener.

      It was indeed a glad and gracious time, and the half dozen rash spirits that ventured to disapprove of the war and cast a doubt upon its righteousness straightway got such a stern and angry warning that for their personal safety’s sake they quickly shrank out of sight and offended no more in that way.

      Sunday morning came — next day the battalions would leave for the front; the church was filled; the volunteers were there, their young faces alight with martial dreams — visions of the stern advance, the gathering momentum, the rushing charge, the flashing sabers, the flight of the foe, the tumult, the enveloping smoke, the fierce pursuit, the surrender!

      Then home from the war, bronzed heroes, welcomed, adored, submerged in golden seas of glory! With the volunteers sat their dear ones, proud, happy, and envied by the neighbors and friends who had no sons and brothers to send forth to the field of honor, there to win for the flag, or, failing, die the noblest of noble deaths. The service proceeded; a war chapter from the Old Testament was read; the first prayer was said; it was followed by an organ burst that shook the building, and with one impulse the house rose, with glowing eyes and beating hearts, and poured out that tremendous invocation:

      God the all-terrible! Thou who ordainest,
      Thunder thy clarion and lightning thy sword!

      Then came the “long” prayer. None could remember the like of it for passionate pleading and moving and beautiful language. The burden of its supplication was, that an ever-merciful and benignant Father of us all would watch over our noble young soldiers, and aid, comfort, and encourage them in their patriotic work; bless them, shield them in the day of battle and the hour of peril, bear them in His mighty hand, make them strong and confident, invincible in the bloody onset; help them crush the foe, grant to them and to their flag and country imperishable honor and glory —

      An aged stranger entered and moved with slow and noiseless step up the main aisle, his eyes fixed upon the minister, his long body clothed in a robe that reached to his feet, his head bare, his white hair descending in a frothy cataract to his shoulders, his seamy face unnaturally pale, pale even to ghastliness. With all eyes following him and wondering, he made his silent way; without pausing, he ascended to the preacher’s side and stood there waiting. With shut lids the preacher, unconscious of his presence, continued his moving prayer, and at last finished it with the words, uttered in fervent appeal, “Bless our arms, grant us the victory, O Lord and God, Father and Protector of our land and flag!”

      The stranger touched his arm, motioned him to step aside — which the startled minister did — and took his place. During some moments he surveyed the spellbound audience with solemn eyes, in which burned an uncanny light; then in a deep voice he said:

      “I come from the Throne — bearing a message from Almighty God!” The words smote the house with a shock; if the stranger perceived it he gave no attention. “He has heard the prayer of His servant your shepherd, and will grant it if such be your desire after I, His messenger, shall have explained to you its import — that is to say, its full import. For it is like unto many of the prayers of men, in that it asks for more than he who utters it is aware of — except he pause and think. “God’s servant and yours has prayed his prayer. Has he paused and taken thought? Is it one prayer? No, it is two — one uttered, and the other not. Both have reached the ear of Him who heareth all supplications, the spoken and the unspoken. Ponder this — keep it in mind. If you would beseech a blessing upon yourself, beware! lest without intent you invoke a curse upon your neighbor at the same time. If you pray for the blessing of rain on your crop which needs it, by that act you are possibly praying for a curse on some neighbor’s crop which may not need rain and can be injured by it.

      “You have heard your servant’s prayer — the uttered part of it. I am commissioned by God to put into words the other part of it — that part which the pastor — and also you in your hearts — fervently prayed silently. And ignorantly and unthinkingly? God grant that it was so! You heard the words ‘Grant us the victory, O Lord our God!’ That is sufficient. The whole of the uttered prayer is compact into those pregnant words. Elaborations were not necessary. When you have prayed for victory you have prayed for many unmentioned results which follow victory — must follow it, cannot help but follow it. Upon the listening spirit of God fell also the unspoken part of the prayer. He commandeth me to put it into words. Listen!

      “Lord our Father, our young patriots, idols of our hearts, go forth into battle — be Thou near them! With them — in spirit — we also go forth from the sweet peace of our beloved firesides to smite the foe. O Lord our God, help us tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with their little children to wander unfriended in the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames in summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it —

      For our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimmage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet!

      We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.

      (After a pause.) “Ye have prayed it; if ye still desire it, speak! The messenger of the Most High waits.”

      It was believed afterward that the man was a lunatic, because there was no sense in what he said.

    • '' In the years to come, Israel is going to devalue, undermine and ultimately destroy the meaning and serviceability of the Holocaust, reducing it to what many people already say it is: Israel’s excuse for bad behavior. - '''

      That's already happening or happened. The list of those who use the holocaust as the universal moral lesson on 'ethnic supremism' that it should be vr those mouthpieces who use it a an excuse for Israel and zionism is pretty short.

      I still think that 'coffee table book' that had nothing but "Jew' listed 6 million times is one of the most repugnant uses of the holocaust I have heard of.

    • How many actual murders of Jews have there been in the last decade or two?
      I remember the first one by a lone gunman at a Jewish org in Calif I believe it was.
      Then there was the killing of the Jewish school children by a Muslim obviously bent on revenge for Zionist Isr in the ME.
      Then the latest in the US by another lone gunman at the Jewish Y who ended up shooting some gentiles instead

      So that's 2 murders and one 'attempted murder of Jews in the US and one murder of Jewish school children in Europe.

      I have not seen any reports of actual murders of Jews in Europe except the one of school children I mentioned above.

    • '' I wonder how much the panel will conflate anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism. ''

      I am guessing for most it will be the usual . Their brains are one way, no exit , no U turn tunnels.

  • Israel wields 'significant US domestic power' to foil peace process -- NY Review of Books
    • Oh for gawd's sake Jones.....don't tell us you don't understand what PEPs are and why they are PEPs :

      hypocrite
      [hip-uh-krit]

      1....a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.
      2.......a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, especially one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements

      Origin
      Middle English
      Old French
      Late Latin
      Greek
      1175-1225
      1175-1225; Middle English ipocrite < Old French < Late Latin hypocrita < Greek hypokritḗs a stage actor, hence one who pretends to be what he is not, equivalent to hypokrī́(nesthai) (see hypocrisy) + -tēs agent suffix

      Synonyms
      deceiver, dissembler, pretender, pharisee.

      ''What makes it so plausible to assume that hypocrisy is the vice of vices is that integrity can indeed exist under the cover of all other vices except this one. Only crime and the criminal, it is true, confront us with the perplexity of radical evil; but only the hypocrite is really rotten to the core. ''.......
      Hannah Arendt

    • I wanna go ..'yawn'.

      We all know what the US could do and should do..but it not going to do it.

      I am more impressed by Sir Duncan of the UK:

      "''“The time has come to make sure above any doubt that the funding of any party in the UK is clearly decoupled from the influence of the Israeli state.”"

      That's as civil as you can put it in regard to the I-Fifth Column and the Lobby. I've had enough of the weasel wording and beating around the bush with pc "domestic political considerations'. Name 'em and shame 'em.....turn on the blow torch or the skunk juice machine.

  • British Parliament sends a message to Obama: the people see Israel as a 'bully'
    • The Zio fanatics in GB lost another one. Maybe when they realize their days of wielding anti semitism against everyone are coming to an end they will all move to Israel.

      Crown Persecution Service: No prosecution of Galloway over 'Israel-free zone' speech

      Details
      Published on Friday, 17 October 2014 18:38

      'The Crown Prosecution Service has confirmed that Bradford West MP George Galloway will not be charged over a speech in made in Leeds in August declaring that Bradford was an 'an Israel-free zone'.

      Following the speech on August 2, which was posted online, several complaints were made to Yorkshire police that Galloway's comments amounted to hate crime. These allegations have been comprehensively dismissed by the CPS.

      "This has been an extremely expensive waste of police' and CPS' time forced on them by ultra-Zionists who were pursuing a vendetta against me," Galloway said. "My comments were aimed at the state of Israel which - I repeat what I said at the time - is an illegal, savage and barbarous state, and had nothing whatever to do with race or religion. And they have the benefit of being true. That country has more censures against it by the United Nations than the rest of the countries in the world put together, refuses to abide by resolutions and continues to illegally grab land and persecute the rightful owners of it and uses its military to blockade and murder the people of Gaza. I take back not a word and I will continue to forcefully condemn Israel."

    • '' I hope we can hear some similar truth spoken in our congress regarding Israel’s illegal actions. - '''

      Don't hold your breath, you're going to have to beat it out of US politicians...

    • This is excellent Phil --just excellent!
      I am faxing this to my congressman and I=First senator tomorrow.

      I dont care how others want to minimize this vote as only symbolic----that the speeches shown here were said in the UK parliament and will be quoted around the world is a big step forward. The fact that now Israeli actions have been called what they are by the 'honorables' will also be a encouragement to UK citizens to hold their feet to the fire.

      Next stop---- sanctions on Israel, not just on the illegal settlements if Israel doesn't come to heel.

  • Help break the blockade and clothe Gaza’s children this winter
    • Right oldgezzer
      In my morning news round up all reports say Today was first day of supply trucks being allowed into Gaza.

  • How 'Open Hillel' created a new community by challenging the Jewish establishment
    • Good.
      And I hereby appoint the World Wide Congress of the Others as the official non partisan referees of the Open Hillels vr the Closed Hillels fight.

      As out first ruling we are calling foul on Closed Hillel for this rules violation of black listing objectors to the Israeli occupation of Palestine.

      Confronting Campus Scourge of Anti-Israel Venom
      There's Nothing Wrong With Keeping Track of Biased Professors

      Read more: link to forward.com

  • Deconstructing John Kerry's address to the Gaza Donors Conference
    • '' in effect self-BDSing Israel (the ultimate Boycott from Within), thereby causing a shift back to the more diplomatic “centre-left”. ...Shmuel

      I think that would only happen ' if' some sticks are applied by the nations that start affecting everyday Israeli lives--then they might boycott from within. From what I have read the Isr peace or rational group has been beat down into a hole by the frothing fanatics.

    • Israel shoots its own Hasbara of peace and 2 states in the foot.
      Its always been about securing more land and then managing their 'colonies" for Greater Israel.

      Isr's latest 'plan'.

      link to blogs.forward.com?

      link to ynetnews.com

  • British Parliament votes overwhelmingly to recognize Palestinian state
    • Shmuel
      October 16, 2014, 3:42 am

      On this side of the pond, we call it satire .

      Evidently you don’t appreciate sarcasm

      You mean you aren’t really establishing the World Wide Others Committee? ;-)
      >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

      No, but I got the idea for it from the Carter Center and the 'Elders' as they call themselves that are part of Carter's group of the older and wiser former US leadership.
      They, being former, not current government people, can call things as they see them no matter who or what the subject is

    • Shmuel
      October 14, 2014, 1:04 pm

      American,

      I see the frustration and the logic, but fighting racism with racism is counter-productive. It is only Jewish supremacists and anti-Semites who divide the world into “Jews and others”, and both groups feed off each other.>>>>>>>

      Evidently you don't appreciate sarcasm Shmuel.
      When I ridicule something like that you should know by now who the ridicule is directed at.
      I like to point out the absurdness the evil collective mentality.

      I don't divide Jews and Others --I divide Jews and Jews and Jews and Others and Others and Others.
      Because that is reality----there's rotten apples in every basket.
      I haven't been half as bad btw on Jewish rotten apples as I have been on our own Other rotten apples.
      Wait--- I take that back on second thought---- I have been as bad on the rotten apple Jews as I have been on the rotten apple Others, but not any worse---I think I've ridiculed them equally.

    • Well I have been mulling over testing a new policy/antidote to the Jewish vr Evil Others problem.

      The Others would adopt basically the same policy toward Jews that some Jews & the H-Industry hold in regard to The Others.
      That Others are collectively guilty for all Jewish sufferings--- but a few rare Righteous Gentiles can be found among them and given awards for their righteousness.

      I am busily compiling The World Wide Others Committee awards list for Righteous Jews right now and will publish as soon as complete.

    • Annie Robbins
      October 14, 2014, 8:12 am

      striving for a negotiated, secure settlement with Israel is a waste of time/lost cause. there’s simply no indication israel is willing to even propose borders for their own state.>>>>>

      AMEN.

      The most f.r.u.s.t.r.a.t.i.n.g STUPIDITY re Israel is how many times does the scorpion have to sting the frogs for the f'ing frogs to understand that no matter what the scorpion promises it is going to sting and drown the frog.

    • Ottaway is typical self serving political ass----using hasbara, the H and his dear wife to justify his support of Israel-----but thinking the pubic might be shifting the political tide on Israel and he will be swept out if he doesn't get on the boat-----so he put one foot in.
      However straddling a fence is a good way to get your balls bruised.

      Next up ---labeling those politicians who don't get on the Palestine Justice boat as 'Chamberlin' appeasers...appeasing the new nazis.

    • @ Mayhem

      I would get to encouraged if I were you....cowards never show up and take a side------as this grows the same cowards won't show up to defend you either.

    • Ditto........good to see some official like Duncan talk in blunt terms about the heart of the matter.

    • Maybe this helped too. Some one finally addressed the "Z and I Lobby" buying politics out loud and in public....holy cow! This will scare Israel as much as anything..

      " “The time has come to make sure above any doubt that the funding of any party in the UK is clearly decoupled from the influence of the Israeli state.”

      link to thesundaytimes.co.uk

      Tim Shipman Political Editor Published: 12 October 2014

      DAVID CAMERON’S envoy to the Gulf is to attack the government’s failure to condemn Israel’s settlement building on the West Bank.

      Sir Alan Duncan, a former international development minister, warns that Britain must speak out or risk “a serious long-term price” in the region.

      His comments come as MPs are poised to vote tomorrow to back calls for Britain to recognise Palestine as a state in its own right.

      In a speech at the Royal United Services Institute on Tuesday, Duncan will warn Cameron that groups such as Conservative Friends of Israel (CFI) should not have disproportionate policy influence.

      “We need British Jews for the Conservative, Labour or other UK parties, not the Israeli lobby for any party,” he will say. “The time has come to make sure above any doubt that the funding of any party in the UK is clearly decoupled from the influence of the Israeli state.”

    • just
      October 13, 2014, 8:06 pm

      In some of the speeches today, I felt as though Trevor, Max, MW folks, Dan Cohen, Mads, Joe Catron and so many others had finally been listened to'' >>>>>>>>>>>>>

      I too think Max et al deserve some credit for this..maybe a lot or even most of the credit....they were all over the UK parliament with their testimonies about Gaza.

  • In the last days of 'Operation Protective Edge' Israel focused on its final goal -- the destruction of Gaza's professional class
    • One of the noticeable things about the Zionistas is their psychopathic obsession with destroying not only people but trying to destroy their heritages and history and any accomplishments and all the things that make up their cultures.

      Whether its 'rewriting' their own history or rewriting the Chosen Jews into the founding of America-- or stealing the ancient records of Iraq-- or confiscating all the books in Palestine and putting them in a Israel basement-----it always about 'erasing' someone else's history or culture in order to 'Be Somebody Themselves'.........like they cant "Be Something" as long as others are 'Something'.

      Truly the most vile kind of hubris and envy on earth.

    • Someone explain to me again why after 65 years of pleading with the psychopath Zios and Israel we shouldnt call every resident in Israel and tell them to get out in 2 hours because we are about to reduce Israel to rubble.

      That is the only way to *negotiate* with Israel.

  • Has the 'NYT' editorial board finally decided to tell the truth about the conflict? (No)
    • Only slightly OT--and interesting.

      I heard a NRA ad today on TV. The man speaking had an excellent and educated sounding voice.
      The ad was about how people know today that they cant trust the US media and press, that most reporters are just repeating whatever they are told to say by their employers in the media and press.
      Then it went on about the past when the US press was a guardian of democratic freedoms and we had patriotic men and women who had integrity and believed in delivering the facts and truth to the American people. And then it went on about the corruption in US government and how the press helps cover it up for special interest.

      A really slick ad....because it had truth' in it that verifies what many already know or suspect ....and it wasn't some hard ass screeching about guns rights. One of the best I've seen for 'branding or rebranding' the image of a group.
      The ad went on to define the 5 million members of the US NRA as defenders of democracy and America.

      huummm......maybe we can sic the NRA on the zios.

    • '' “only long-term answer to a destructive militant group like Hamas is to empower moderates and give Palestinians hope of a constructive future…

      LOL........oh yes Its all Hamas's fault.
      Lets see now how many times the US and others have paid to rebuild Israel's destruction while Isr hasnt paid a penny---Lebanon twice and Gaza 2014 make 3 or 4 more times.

      The only way anyone can endure this Zio-Demonic cancer infection is to believe that one day in not too distant future it will be flushed down the toilet.

  • British Parliament to vote on recognition of Palestinian state on Monday
    • HOORAY!.....YAHOO!.....BRAVO!

      Can we assume the UK public disgust with Israel influenced these politicians at least in part.

  • Shlomo Sand resigns from being Jewish. Totally. Mostly. Almost
    • No, I am perfectly capable of changing my opinions on new information---that is why I said my view was always that Jews were those who practiced Judaism.
      But due to the discussions here on how and what different Jews define themselves as, I believe a Jewish culture exist and that is how some Jews define themselves--by the culture, not the religion.

      The HISTORICAL FACT however is there were No Jews prior to Judaism's creation.
      If you can't goggle you can go to any library and look it up that fact in world history books.
      Therefore there was no ethnic culture of Jews ' before' Judaism.
      Therefore any ethnic culture of Jews that some Jews define themselves by ORIGINATED ---or had its nucleus ---in the shared religion.
      Whether or not as it evolved it was any longer connected to the religion itself for some Jews.

      I realize you are joke not a serious person but even you should be able to follow the historical steps and evolution.

      Meanwhile to help you out of your painful contortions, lies actually, on others comments, words and stated views-- humanitarian that I am--- I have called the National Park Service and ask them to look out for a Moose with his antlers stuck up his ass.

    • Annie says.....

      ''I don’t know what you arguing here—that Jews aren’t really Jews if they don’t follow Judaism—- or they are—or what?..American )

      american, that’s not what mooser is arguing, it’s what you think as evidence by

      IMO Jewishness is defined by religion –do they or don't they practice Judaism.

      while you might be powerless to change the way “any Jews define or want to think of themselves.” you are not powerless to change the way you think about it.

      so we’ve all witnessed time and again in these threads right wing jews ‘de-jewing’ secular jews, claiming they are not really jewish and ideas like that based on whether they meet certain criteria like support for zionism or religion or whatever and the way it appears to me here you are basically agreeing with them. and mooser makes the point “And of course, you are powerless to change anything about it, even the way you think about it” and your response is yes?
      ......''

      Well annie you arent "getting it" either.
      I AM NOT THE ONE 'DEFINING' JEWS.

      This Mooser discussion started over whether or not Sands, a non religious Jew, could quit being a Jew.

      I said....so pay attention:

      That 'first'...in my 'opinion' Jews are not a race and that people don't inherit 'religious' genes.

      "Second'....that Jews originally became define as Jews thru Judaism.

      BUT.... that's its possible NON RELIGIOUS Jews define themselves as Jews due their upbringing, heritage, society etc etc...

      I ALSO said that the Jewish religion may have created some of or 'the' Jewish 'culture and traditions' .
      BUT.....Those "cultural traditions " DID NOT HAVE TO REMAIN 'SOLELY' CONNECTED TO RELIGION for Jews as generations progressed.

      So how you get that I am agreeing with:.

      "so we’ve all witnessed time and again in these threads right wing jews ‘de-jewing’ secular jews, claiming they are not really jewish and ideas like that based on whether they meet certain criteria like support for zionism or religion or whatever and the way it appears to me here you are basically agreeing with them. and mooser makes the poin - ""

      Is fricking beyond me.

      I do not personally give a rats ass how Jews or anyone else defines themselves.
      And furthermore I said----> IT IS NOT MY BUSINESS TO TELL JEWS HOW TO DEFINE THEMSELVES.

      IMO....and it is MY OPINION because that is the view I was raised with, most Jews 'were' defined as followers of Judaism.
      Furthermore ---I see absolutely NO CONTRADICTION in saying the that ETHNIC CULTURE component of Jewishness arose *originally * from a shared religion.
      BUT--that as generations passed some Jews 'maintained' much of the traditions and culture that evolved but 'not' the religion.

      If you don't get this you don't know as much about sociology as you think you do.

      And this crap?....'' you are not powerless to change the way you think about it.''

      Who the hell is Mooser or you to tell me I should change .." the way I think" to satisfy the Moosers or whatever the hell the other side of the Mooses is?

      And don't fucking lecture me on 'my opinions' when I state they are' just my opinions' and further state --TO MAKE THAT POINT--that I am not an expert on the subject of Judaism or Jewish culture. That this is just how IT APPEARS TO ME.

      And Do Not fucking try to dictate to me 'what opinion' or rock bottom belief I should hold about Jews or not Jews when they don't even agree among themselves.

      My 'opinions' and what I have said in this discussion --- HAVE LEFT ROOM FOR BOTH SIDES ---THE RELIGIOUS AND NOT RELIGIOUS DEFINING OF JEWS----IN WHAT IS A ' INTER JEWISH' DEBATE.

      I am not going to 'take a side' in the Jews aren't Jews without Judaism or secular Jews are just as Jewish as religious Jews because No 1---I dont care. and No 2--Its not my business.

    • Mooser
      October 15, 2014, 3:09 pm

      “I call it coming from the ”Jewish religious culture’ by looking at the tribe from ancient days to today.”

      So you think those “tribe from ancient days to today” are the same people? What distinguishes them.

      And what are the characteristics of that “Jewish religious culture”. You refuse to answer that and there is a good reason for that..>>>>>

      I will answer you one more time---try to get it.

      It is not about whether they are the same people as ancient days----that's a stupid question.

      The subject was, is there a Jewish culture---coming from religion or not---that has been passed down thru generations of religious or non religious Jews, their families and/or societies .

      Its about did they, the members of Judaism, create and evolve a culture and traditions' in their society' that has been passed down in some parts from generation to generation.
      I say they did.
      Because most every group, religious or not, that defines themselves as any kind of group does have traditions and beliefs that are passed down.

      As for my refusing to answer what I see as characteristics of that “Jewish religious culture” I dont know enough to describe the strictly religious part except the prayers and holidays Jews celebrate related to past events in history.

      What "distinguish them" you want to know? I cant answer that about whatever supper duper stuff there is in Judaism or Jewish society that distinguish them because I'm not in it , I am sure there is much good.

      I can only answer as a gentile on the 'characteristics' gentiles see most often---- 1) the eternal enemies thing and 2) the eternal obsession you are exhibiting right now in picking, picking, picking at the Jew thing with gentiles and even other Jews.

      Gentiles don't like those 2 characteristics directed at them all the time. And just like you dont care whether we like it or not, we don't care that you dont care .....so there you go...even steven.

      If you aren't bored out of your gourd with this nitpicking the Jews thing 24/7 by now something is wrong with you.

    • Mooser
      October 15, 2014, 11:24 am

      “Don’t blame me if its a unexplainable can of worms—they started this stuff not me.”

      And of course, you are powerless to change anything about it, even the way you think about it. So much easier to take their word for it.''>>>

      Actually, I am powerless to change how any Jews define or want to think of themselves.
      I don't know what you arguing here---that Jews aren't really Jews if they don't follow Judaism---- or they are---or what?

      I have already given you my opinion that in my view, from what I know, Jewishness is not a inherited race or ethnic thing. IMO Jewishness is defined by religion --do they or dont they practice Judaism.
      But its not my business to tell a non religious Jew he isnt a Jew when he claims to be by some kind of Jewish cultural heritage.
      Its not my fight and I am pretty certain that there aren't any Jews who care how non Jews view the question of Jewish or not Jewish.
      That's a insiders battle.

    • @ Mooser

      '' So again, what is the “religious’ culture'” of Jews? Being Jewish? ''

      As you know I am not an expert on Judaism, don't pretend to be.
      But the gist of what I have gotten from all discussions (and some research) on this is that some Jews who dont follow Judaism still claim they are Jewish by 'heritage' or blood lines or etc..

      I call it coming from the ''Jewish religious culture' by looking at the tribe from ancient days to today. From when ancient pagans banded together in 'tribes' for survival and society----then became religious One God tribes with different beliefs 'which created' the religious tribe 'cultures'. So non religious Jews can still come from or claim that 'culture' even without the religion.

      As said I don't believe in inheriting ' religious genes.' But a lot, I would say most people believe they 'inherit their cultures'----their 'heritage'.

      That is only way I see that atheist Jews can claim to be Jews---thru the culture--that was 'begun by' Judaism.

      Don't blame me if its a unexplainable can of worms---they started this stuff not me.

    • You could probably add to that that ' minority cultures' sometimes incorporate and chose from several different definitions of themselves depending on what they are seeking---protection, religious recognition, or to claim some rights. Catholic '&'-Hispanic, Christian '&' Arab in the ME and so on.

    • Jews are not a 'race'.....distinct from all other races.
      If they can be defined as anything distinct -- according to all the 'new age' definitions of 'ethnics' ---the shared this and that ethnics is now based on---it would be as a ethnic religious ' culture'......not as a race.
      Secular Jews and zionist who want to define themselves as Jews without Judaism still come from the religious 'culture' of Jews despite their promotion that Jews are some definable separate race.

    • @ Gene

      '' In Sand’s case, having a nostalgia for Israel is not the same as being Jewish.''>>>>>

      Exactly right.

      There is no such thing as a 'religious' gene that people inherit .

    • @ Cliff

      Well, that's nice sentiment --but the fact remains some people do 'refuse to be branded' and revolt against some assigned identity or reject it for another one.

      Christians who become atheist for some reason or atheist who become Christians , people who move and change citizenships, and so on.

      The only thing about a person that might be considered 'indelible ' or unchangeable is his genetic makeup.

    • Clif Brown
      October 12, 2014, 6:43 pm

      Can an identity be dropped? I think that without erasing memory, it can’t.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

      I think you all need to decide what identity you are talking about.
      There is identity (who or what you think you are)--- then there is heritage---- then there is upbringing and so forth----so there can be combinations in identity.

      What if you were adopted as a baby by a Christian French Canadian couple and later you discovered your biological parents were Spanish Catholics? What would your identity be----would you want to keep maintaining that you are a French Canadian Christian because of your 'upbringing' ---- or would you then consider your identity to be Spanish Catholic because of your biological 'heritage?

      You can't change your 'upbringing' ---but people can take on and shed different identities --'how they see or define themselves'----for any reason.

    • The Gentile interpretation of Sand's resignation.

      ''Ugh... I can't take it anymore!!! I am fed up with the mythical shit and lies and being a Jew instead of a Israeli. It's like living in a ethnic asylum of fun house mirrors !
      Let me out!!!''

      Run Sands run.
      You can be or not be whatever you want.

  • Tablet types Rev. Shipman as elite, anti-semitic WASP
    • dding
      October 11, 2014, 9:12 am

      Knowing what we know now about Joe Lieberman’s policies, do you think a vote against him today could be fairly assumed to reflect anti-semitism?>>>>>

      In a word?...No.
      I wasnt involved and didnt know about I/P, the I Lobby, the Zionist the US-Isr scheme when I voted for Lieberman 's ticket in 2000.
      I wouldnt vote for him or any ticket anyone like him was on today knowing what I now know about the Zionist and I=Firstdom foreign loyalty.
      But I wouldnt vote for any I-First Gentiles like him either so I dont consider it anti semitic.

    • '' Yes there’s anti-Semitism in the U.S., I believe it worked against Joseph Lieberman getting the vice presidency""

      I voted for Gore - Lieberman in 2000 and they won the popular vote if I remember correctly but lost the electoral. If there was any a-s at work I think it had to be in pockets of conservative Christian die hards. I think Lieberman's Jewishness was more the same religious handicap that Kennedy's Catholicism was for some people.

      I am probably going to have to consult my shrink sister-in law to figure out if I am a anti semite or not, or if I was a anti semite -in -waiting and my a-s disease hadnt yet surfaced when I voted for Lieberman. Its all too confusing.

  • Jewish groups stand up against media lies about Muslims and police surveillance of Muslims
    • '' America has the potential to be worse than Nazi Germany''''......Giles

      I would have said not 5 years ago, even 2 or 3 years ago.
      But now I see the possibility and if the US does go it will be more chaotic because it will be hyenas , wild dogs, lions and vultures all fighting over the same carcass.

  • Wiesel lauds settlers for 'strengthening the Jewish presence in Jerusalem' -- and expelling Palestinians
    • '' Hey, wait a minute, American, you are saying Gentiles are just like Zionists? Aren’t Zionists exhorted to put the needs of Zionism above their personal pain and sacrifice? Very confused '''.........Mooser

      No. I'm saying the Ivir 'culture'---you can call it the zionist or the H-culture ---is the total opposite of most gentile culture when it comes to how they talk or actually dont talk about pain, loses, their own devastation. His harping on his or descendents Jewish trauma, loses etc. particularly because he isnt even one of the 'real victims' looks like a whiny selfish sympathy ploy to us, and actually disrespectful to the actual victims, not a real and deep pain. Other people dont hang their deepest personal pains and traumas out on a clothes line every day to attract attention or sympathy to themselves.

    • '' Some people here have so much accustomed to belittle the Holocaust and even view it as a cynical “bargaining chip“ to advance the interests of Israel, don`t understand how deeply it affects those that went through it (and their descendant""..ivri

      Let me explain this to you.
      We don't belittle the holocaust, we belittle those of you who constantly carry around the holocaust flag and use it as an excuse/demand for yourselves and Israel.
      Its also evidently somewhat of a culture difference ....in the gentile world its bad form, bad manners, and low class to spill your guts and your personal pain all over other people all the time. We dont see people like that as devastated by their loses, we see them as people who care more about making 'a spectacle' of their lose to draw attention and sympathy for themselves.

    • I think by now Wiesel has proven himself to be a fraud and holocaust 'opportunist.'
      Its a dirty gig but it no doubt pays well.

  • Israel and the g-word
    • Wow, indeed!

    • I think I am getting tired of all the 'political' and legal descriptions, arguments , and the zionist, anti zionist , liberal , blah, blah , blah comparisons and all the other nit picking and parsing that is just a waste of time.
      They are bullies period.
      They need the shit beat out of them.

      'If You're a bully, I'm going to fight You'

      link to middleeastmonitor.com

      "This doesn't mean I am acting out some kind of hostility with those groups", he clarifies. "I just don't feel any loyalty to anyone because of who they are – no intellectual should be taken seriously if they do." While many of those who attack Israel's critics speculatively ascribe sinister or personal motivations, Max is dismissive of such ad hominem.

      "If people really want to know what motivates me and the position I've taken, it shouldn't require some rich explanation or ideology. It's not about having 'Jewish issues' with the way I was raised, or even necessarily deep identification with Palestinian culture. All you need to feel is disgust with unfairness: it's just not fair the way Palestinians are being treated." In other words, Max explains, he is applying the way he was raised to this seminal issue. "If you're a bully, I'm going to fight you."

      ..Max Blumenthal

  • NY rabbi implores those in her congregation who are joining Israel's enemies to love the country
    • Typical.
      Heard one Zio whine, tribal glorification, conflating of Amercia loyalty with Israel loyalty for Jews and a-s-enemies justification for Israel-- heard 'em all.
      Same old retarded spiel every time.

  • Following shocking sermon, Atlanta JVP calls on area rabbis to challenge racism in Jewish community
    • '' These people should be ostracized and shunned. They serve mankind no useful purpose.''''...amigo

      I totally agree. I said here long ago that the zionist ( and that goes for any like them) should be 'shunned'---ostracized from civil society.

      A person or two jumped me for this, saying shunning was bad, it was 'alienating' people.....
      I think they need to be alienated, rejected socially, politically and business wise..
      Stamped 'unacceptable to civil societies'.

    • I commend JVP's constant efforts--and call me a cynic or a realist --- but I think they are chipping away at a concrete wall with cotton swabs.
      Here we have a Rabbi (with his BOD's approval obviously) who are inciting people to literally 'annihilate' a group of others.

      If any kind of humane appeal would work on these people then they wouldnt do what they do to begin with.

      You cant keep 'respectfully appealing'--according any respect at all-- to people who have nothing inside them to appeal to...it just doesn't work.

      ''civility is for dancing classes''

  • David Brooks's son joining Israel army is an 'extreme case' -- NYT public editor
    • I naturally disagree with the tribalist Rosenthal-- but I also disagree with Sullivan in this...

      ''In general, I agree with Mr. Rosenthal about columnists and their family members. I don’t think readers usually need to know what the spouses of columnists think or what brothers do for a living, or whether a daughter has joined the U.S. Army. ""

      Anyone who is given a 'public platform' from which he can influence or misinform the pubic --columnist, politicians, whoever, ---should have to reveal any and all interest that may be 'conflicts of interest'.

      The conflicts of interest rule is another democratic tool that has been destroyed by special interest, ethic identities and etc..

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