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  • Yes, Virginia, there is a liberal Zionist
    • Judaism is Zionism- Zionism is Judaism
      Yes it is-- No its not.
      Anyone can find 1000s of articles by Jews and Rabbis claiming it is and claiming it isn't.
      And all of them on both sides quoting this and that from the Old Testament to prove it.
      So its crystal clear that Judaism is Zionism for some of them and for others it is not.
      Or ...iow, there are two kinds of Judaism.
      Both claiming to be the real Judaism.
      That's all there is to the Judaism-Zionism argument.
      It's up to the Jews to settle it or not settle it.

      The only thing for Non Jews to be concerned with is dismantling the Zionist/Israeli fifth column in US government policies.

    • Yea....they need to define 'universalistic" also by something other than just bible verses.
      People into this babble throw everything into the pot like liberalism, enlightenment, blah blah.

      Give me examples of how this universalism *was practiced* in Judaism or Christianity for that matter.

    • I don't see many Jews here, religious or secular, who have a true factual understanding of Jewish history.
      I think that is probably because they get their information from Jewish sources who write 'only' about the Jewish view of history and/or Judaism.
      People should go to' world history ' historians and authors who don't focus strictly on the Jews ..or iow those that don' t have a ethic or religious dog in the hunt of history.... for a better understanding of the Jew's history/events.

  • Caroline Glick melts down with European diplomats
    • About Glick.
      Many moons ago when I was first getting into the Isr issue I read one of her columns in the JP . I cant remember the content now but I emailed her about it. I was polite because at that time I wasn't yet fully anti Israel and didn't know what I was dealing with in Zionist.
      In my mail I said something about Israel losing the sympathy of the world by maintaining their occupation of Palestine.
      Anyway she mailed me back and told me to stuff my sympathy and Israel didn't want the gd sympathy of anti semites...LOL
      She's a extreme hater. That's all there is to her.

  • We're all anti-American now
    • I love my country, I HATE MY GOVERNMENT.

      Been telling ya and telling ya......our government and its Elite-dom Shadow government is 90% rotten to the core.
      And they aren't going to reform themselves.
      So people better start thinking about how to get rid of them in a rigged dual monarchy system.
      And you cant do it by being 'respectful' of the son of a bitches.
      Take out the garbage.

  • Are pro-Israel groups afraid of the US public?
    • oldgeezer
      December 9, 2014, 3:13 pm

      They fear that the truth will be known
      >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

      Totally.
      While I agree that most Americans are mostly consumed with their own personal and local interest and have to be hit with a 2 x 4 to draw their attention to issues they don't see directly affecting their own lives-----I also believe that the majority of people everywhere have a belief in 'fairness' , fair treatment.
      "If' the public were to ever learn the real Israel story and all the details Israel would be toast in the USA.
      Particularly if the public's learning the true story was precipitated by some outrageous Israeli action that blew back on the US.
      I have no doubt that Israel will provide that 'learning ' event for the US public eventually.

  • Saban confronts Bennett: 'Are you willing to cut commercial ties with Europe?'
    • CigarGod
      December 9, 2014, 5:32 pm

      Bad behavior by Israeli Jews, is a threat to Jews worldwide. Bad behavior by dual-citizenship Jews is a threat to other Jews worldwide. Bad behavior by any Jew is a threat to other Jews. I am one of three Jews in a little western town of about 1400. That is just about the ratio of 7 billion non-Jews to 13 million Jews. History repeats its self…and I don’t like the odds.''>>>>

      LOL. If you want a non Jew's opinion I doubt you are in any danger.
      My theory on Jews living where there isnt a huge block of Jews is that not having enough Jews to form strictly or mostly Jewish social groups or political groups and etc. they incorporate into the communities in whatever social or political sides they prefer as individuals. Therefore however else they practice or express their Jewish identity is not a concern or anything of note to the non Jewish community.

    • oldgeezer
      December 8, 2014, 6:53 pm

      There aren’t 40 other locations producing chips though as far as I’m aware and not all chip factories are equal
      >>>>

      Sorry oldgezzer i meant to say Microsoft, not Intel--- who does have 60 facilities around the world , some of them production and some of them research.
      I posted a complete run down on the IT companies re Israel from their own sites some while back but am too lazy to go hunt it up---you can find it thru my archive comments if you want.

      The Israeli gov site list 250 foreign companies that have outsourced some of their operations to Israel===an insignificant number for a large country but significant for country Israel's size.

      HOWEVER if one can believe what they read in Forbes, Bloomberg, Economist, Financial Times and industry journals,etc. multinationals are pulling back some from outsourcing because cost ( in cheaper labor, etc) which drew them abroad are now increasing. Now that US and other outsourcing has floated some countries boats the boats aren't as cheap as they once were.

      I noticed this yesterday when looking for the latest info on Israel IT----

      UST-Global-logoDecember 8, 2014 |

      The American information-technology company UST-Global has plans to establish an R&D center in Israel that will train engineers in cyber security, according to a report in “TheMarker.” The statement was reportedly made on Israeli Economy Minister Naftali Bennett’s Facebook page after the cabinet member met with UST CEO Sajan Pillai. UST hopes that the R&D center will train engineers from the peripheral cities in Israel, as well as Hassidic individuals, to become professionals in cyber security in a period of 90 days. Over an allotted period of time, the company hopes to train 10,000 new employees in the cyber security sector, who will staff a potential subsidiary in the South of Israel, making UST the largest foreign employer in Israeli high tech.''

      It may or may not be true, one never knows with Israeli announcements.

      The point about the Isr economy is that it only has a few ways it can go.
      40% + of its economy is dependent on exports. Of those slightly more to Europe than US and elsewhere. And it is dependent on imports for raw materials for much of its manufacturing. 70% of all investment in Isr companies and venture capital comes from foreign investors.
      These are figures from Israel's own economic development office.

      Which makes Bennetts statements all the more insane---he's speaking on Israel's economy as an Israeli leader and he doesn't even understand what Israel economy is based on?

      Sanctions on Israel and its curtains for their economy. Much worse than sanctions on a country like Iran who had oil to sell and therefore a lot of countries who were dependent on Iran crude got 'waivers' exempting them from the sanction enforcement.

    • '' read his remarks differently. He may be saying instead that if Europeans quit buying Israeli products, then the products they do buy elsewhere may not work because of inferior design or quality. It’s not that Israeli-made chips will stop working, but that chips made anywhere else are inadequate for Europe’s needs''..ckg

      Humm.....that doesn't work either.
      Israel's 'chip' industry is 90% owned by Apple, Intel, Microsoft and other foreign high tech ownership to the tune of adding 10 billion a year to the Israel economy.
      They all have 'manufacting plants' and facilities in many other countries besides Israel---Intel for example has over 40 other country locations.
      I am pretty sure that the same "quality control" is enforced in all their plant locations...not just in Israel.

      On the bright side ---if Israel ever did get sanctions put on it and these IT companies needed to make up for the stoppage of Israeli production out of the country -- it would be a good jobs boom in other countries where they have have manufacturing facilities.

    • @ Walid

      I am not sure what you are saying. Are you saying that they included some kind of self destruct device in their 'gizmos"?

      If so that's sort of far fetched.

      We've been over the myths that Israel invented everything from cherry tomatoes and irrigation to cell phones to computer and phone chips and is the only place in the world to get them.

      So this time I will just kill the heart stent myth. There are *60* manufactures of heart stents in the world outside of Israel and the US. As far as I can tell from the list Israel has only *one* manufacture of heart stents.
      Of the 4 billion world wide market in heart stents --the US has 2 billion of the market. Abbot labs and Johnson and Johnson being the majors.
      link to investopedia.com

      The actual scariest thing about the Israelis is their stupidity that comes from their hubris and narcissism .
      People this stupid are quite capable of using nukes and because of their hubristic and narcissism thinking that they could get away with it without any repercussions to themselves.

      And before the trolls show up to claim that Jews or Israelis invented the metal heart stent--nope, it was Julio Palmaz in 1985.
      And it was a not Jewish or Israeli German surgeon in Switzerland, Andreas Gruentzig, who did the first angioplasty--with a balloon device in 1977 even before then.

  • A point by point response to Alan Dershowitz’s 'Ten Reasons Why The BDS Movement Is Immoral'
    • His points are comical is my only comment.
      Glad someone has the patience to address them, I don't.
      I am done with their silly pilpul.

  • Mamdani's 'holistic' challenge: Anti-Zionists must persuade Jews they can only be safe by dismantling the Jewish state
  • Rep. Israel endorses speech saying Europe failed Jewish people in 40s and is 'failing us again today'
    • '' And as for ‘failing’ Jews in the 1940’s, yes Europe stood by and never fought Hitler, losing millions of their own citizens in the process. What an utter dork. Still trying to trade on your pernicious myths and lie "........justicewillprevail

      Ditto.

  • AIPAC seeks to blow up negotiations between Iran and US
    • @ Peter Feld

      Ditto. Exactly.

    • I wouldnt take Frank's 'survey' as absolutely accurate or to say Americans would support a attack or war with Iran.

      A lot of 'polls' are now used to try and 'make opinion' by purporting to show what majority opinion is so others will 'go along with' the majority.
      Its a new kind of 'lobbying' .

  • It's always been a holy war
    • I am sure Hughes your heart is in the right place.

      '' But it had religious symbolism as well – are words really needed to confirm that?

      Speak only for yourself on what it symbolized...to you.
      Attacking the rabbis while they were praying symbolized nothing to me but the attackers thinking they wouldn't be armed or expecting it and therefore easier targets.

    • '' The well-known risk is that you invite seven devils into your own mind. -"".......Hughes

      I think what irritates me most about most 'religiously moral' is that they seem most concerned about the 'moral risk' to 'themselves' for one thing.
      I've never been able to get one of those types who say violence is 'always' wrong when dealing with others violence to answer me on what is 'most moral'.
      Refraining from violence against those who use it on other people while continuing to urge peace and pray about it in the face of all 'rational' evidence that that is not going to work or happen----or using violence to end violence against innocents.

    • '' The murder of rabbis in a synagogue is not just a taking of lives but the making of a theological point – really, that Judaism, not just Zionism, is evil, indeed demonic. This is quite contrary to our view that real, authentic Judaism is a well that lies too deep for political taint and that when recruited to support Zionism it has always become inauthentic. I fear that it is the emergence of something new or at least something more starkly terrifying than it used to be - ....... Hughes

      I fear that those of you obsessed with religion and who have made 'theology' their life's cause, job or hobby, and see and inject religion into e.v.e.r.y.t.h.i.n.g will make things even worse than they are.

    • '' transference of trauma as a method of healing is part of what zionism is in response to the attacks jews have suffered in the past 200 hundred years and therefore makes zionism essential to judaism - ----mcohen

      I have some trauma I need to transfer.
      Tell me where you are so I can go shoot you in the head and steal your home in order to heal myself.

      But thanks for reinforcing what we already knew about zionism.

  • Israel has always been crazy
    • Thanks for reply Avigail.

      I agree with this too:

      "Israel will not ‘get a clue’ and will not change from within"

      And just observing over the years it has seemed to me that the more the world has catered to Israeli demands the more we have 'legitimized and 'encouraged their trauma and that destructive entitlement you described.
      I don't know anything about psychology or how you cure a paranoid or paranoid society or culture but I am pretty sure it isn't by agreeing with them that everyone is out to kill them and loading them up with weapons.
      So yep, the world has to stop feeding the evil wolf side of Israel.

    • '' And to think that once upon a time I was worried that I was too extreme or unreasonable with some of my predictions about Israel… It’s all in its psychology and it’s always been there. I told you so"........Avigail

      Glad to see you here Avigail.
      And yes indeed, you did tell us. And I believed you.
      Like another commenter asked though----what now?

  • Pssst! Is Israel going crazy?
    • I am borrowing a description from a quote.....

      ''Dealing with Israel is like playing chess with a pigeon. The pigeon knocks over all the pieces, shits on the board and then struts around like it won the game.”

    • ''Who the Gods would destroy they first make mad"

      Faster please . The Israeli horror show needs an ending.

  • Palestinian flag is an 'enemy' flag-- Netanyahu's latest crackdown
    • @ bryan

      A few more outrages dropped on my american 'sensitivities' by the Zio disease infecting every segment of the US and I might vote for that

      I just today saw yet more proof of what a gd travesty the Zio inflitrated US justice system is...in the Rasmiah Odeh case---where she was convicted of concealing her 'terrorist past (in Israel)---and Not Allowed to present her torture by the Israelis that made her make a confession.

      The court didnt think it was pertinent to hear what was done to her to get her confession?
      No the court didnt want the Israelis exposed in a US court for the filthy animals they are and have any press pass around the salacious details.
      Here is a account and description of her and her father's beating, her rape, having a stick stuck up her, ....and it was written about in Alfred Lilienthal's 1978 'The Zionist Connection'

      link to twitter.com

      BURN WASHINGTON DOWN AND START OVER

    • Can I mentioned that many of us have been saying and warning for years that Israel 'was going to get worse and worse" ?
      And it has.
      None of us had to be geniuses to predict this.
      And yet 'world leaders' of democracies supposedly couldn't recognize the Israel mentality problem.
      Or they don't'/didnt care, which is likely the real explanation.

  • Lieberman unveils racist peace plan: Pay Palestinians to leave Israel
    • I dont know why I find this so funny.....except its so typical.....US Zionist obsessing over their homeland being snubbed by the Queen and royal family.

      Royals Refuse to Visit Israel
      8:44 AM, Nov 28, 2014 • By DANIEL HALPER

      You won't find the British royals in the holy land. Elliott Abrams calls it, "The bizarre story of the refusal of British royals to visit Israel, while they are constantly in the Arab world, continues."

      "[T]he Queen has never set foot in Israel and Prince Charles set foot there briefly only once, for the Rabin funeral," Abrams, a former deputy national security adviser in the George W. Bush administration, observes.

      "By contrast, in just the month of November 2014 we found Prince Andrew and Prince Harry at what the Foreign Office must have considered a diplomatic necessity: the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix. Prince Andrew also visited Saudi Arabia (at the request of the Foreign Office, it was announced).

      "And Prince Harry also visited Oman. Now with all due respect, Oman is a country of 3.6 million people with a GDP of $80 billion. Israel is a country of 8 million people with a GDP of about $300 billion. No point in laboring the comparison, but one might add that Prince Charles visited Oman in 2013 and the Queen herself visited there in 2010."

      According to Abrams, there are 3 reasons to explain why the British royals refuse to visit Israel.

      "There are really only three logical explanations. The first is that the British royals only like to visit royals, and try to stay away from republics. But Prince Charles has visited Egypt time after time, so there goes that theory. The second possible explanation is fear–fear that any kind of royal visit to Israel would harm the UK, for example if Arab lands retaliated by cutting trade with Britain. This is silly. Prince Charles visited Jordan last year and could easily have helicoptered over for a day in Israel. Princes Andrew or Harry could have stopped by while in the Middle East as well. Given the current tacit alliance of Israel and the Gulf monarchies against Iran and ISIS, the likelihood that such visits would have harmed the UK is impossibly small. The third possible explanation for the continuing refusal of the British royals to set foot in Israel is that either they or the Foreign Office harbor deep and undying enmity toward the Jewish state."

  • #JusticeForMikeBrown: NFL star Reggie Bush connects Ferguson to Palestine
    • I agree on the Leo Franks case. I looked up the trial proceedings when it came up here before.
      Frank's defense main strategy was to claim it was a black boy who worked at the office who killed the girl.
      At that time, given the racism toward blacks, if there had been any way the jury could have been convinced a black boy did it instead of a Jew they would have preferred to convict the black for it. That they couldn't find a way to buy the black boy did it indicates the evidence against Frank was too overwhelming.

    • ex-pat

      '' I don’t think officer Wilson’s actions even compare''

      I can only keep repeating the bottom line.
      It is even more incumbent on police/authority to 'de escalate' situations, not escalate them to the point of deadly force.
      Wilson chose to chase what he called an enraged bull that he 'couldn't reasonable expect to comply' with his demand without the use of deadly force.
      Call it poor judgement, call it cop ego on his part, Wilson had other options for bringing Brown to justice and didn't use them.

    • just
      November 29, 2014, 11:21 pm

      I appreciate your answer, American. He had a criminal record, though.

      Perhaps he couldn’t get a job because of that glaring problem rather than immigrants taking away his ability to be as gainfully employed as he wished.

      >>>>>>>>>>>

      I considered that-- and in trying to imagine his reasoning it probably went like this....I broke the law and went to jail and its being held against me in employment and opportunity---illegals immigrants also broke US laws and its not being held against them in employment and opportunities.
      'If' it turns out the immigration issue was his reason for attacking the Mexican embassy this is how I imagine he thought.

    • Maybe.
      His motivation hasn't been determined yet as far as I know.
      Might have something to do with his inability to find a decent job and the immigration issue since it was directed at the Mexican embassy.
      The main flash point in the immigration issue particularly in Texas is immigrants taking jobs from Americans.
      But I am just guessing.

    • Page: 94
    • Another wasted life, another (white) guy whose dead end life frustrations went ballistic.
      Its not just a black thing. Its a national disease.
      I suggest all those who want to 'uncritically' depend on a Police State to protect them take Eisenhower's advice....
      'Dwight D. Eisenhower — 'If you want total security, go to prison. There you're fed, clothed, given medical care and so on''.

      'Austin Gunman Fired 100 Rounds, Tried to Burn Mexican Consulate'

      link to abcnews.go.com

      Neighbors say shooter was good guy
      link to statesman.com

    • And Sean..drop the bullshit about whether its good for the Palestines.....since when have you made the first statement about the plight of the Palestines.
      You've never made one.
      And all of sudden you expect anyone to buy you are concerned about what is good for the Palestine cause.
      You are so transparent, you are only trying to use this event to pontificate with fake expertise on political strategy and the ways of the elite political world.

    • seanmcbride
      November 28, 2014, 8:40 pm

      Listen up ....and this is my last word to you on this because you are a robot bot---do you not understand the law and what it says about the use of 'deadly force'?

      The QUESTION the grand jury should have been asked to consider was whether or not Wilson's decision to 'chase after' Brown, a man he "could expect" to only subdue with a gun based on what Wilson himself said about the enraged bull----was a *extreme necessity as a last resort, when all lesser means have failed or cannot reasonably be employed*.

      This is the question that would have been presented by a 'prosecutor' who wanted an indictment.

      Was it a 'extreme necessity and last resort' for Wilson to *chase Brown* --Instead of in his own words---waiting *30 seconds* for police backup? Would waiting for police backup with numbers have been a *lesser means" to arresting Brown than a lone cop who had just lost one confrontation with Brown 'chasing him to another confrontation'?

      In addition to the requirement of a emergency threat for the use of deadly force. Who was Brown a 'emergency threat to' when he was unarmed and running from the scene ? The cop expected Brown to kill someone or rob another store while running and in the '30 seconds' the cop expected more cops to show up?

      You dont have a case or an argument for deadly force except your pathetic repetitive broken record mewing about how big Brown was and how the poor idiot cop feared for his life----the poor idiot cop put himself in that position when he didnt wait for backup to apprehend Brown and try to make a proper 'arrest. '

      All other 'lesser means' of apprehending Brown were not used.

      ''In most jurisdictions, the use of deadly force is justified only under conditions of extreme necessity as a last resort, when all lesser means have failed or cannot reasonably be employed”…….. AFI 31-207 Arming and Use of Force by Air Force Personnel

      ”Under U.S. law the *fleeing felon rule* was limited in 1985 to non-lethal force in most cases by Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1. The justices held that deadly force “may not be used unless necessary to prevent the escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious bodily harm to the officer or others……Tennessee v Garner

      A police officer may not seize an unarmed, non dangerous suspect by shooting him dead….
      —Justice Byron White, Tennessee v. Garner

    • Sean,

      Evidently you are trying to commit suicide by American the same way you claim Brown was trying to commit suicide by cop.

      You really want me to shoot you down in public? O.k. and remember you 'asked for it.'

      On your friendfeed you claim the majority of MW agrees with you except annie.
      When on your own friend feed all the commenters to a man and woman -==All eviscerated you and your position and *rote bot* authority arguments-----every single one of them...
      .link to friendfeed.com

      I need to give some Sean like instructions now to Sean:

      "One must not 'lurch' from the Brown issue to the Russian revolution when trying to avoid answering a question on Ferguson.'
      "One does not employ smart strategy when 'inflating' the statements of others as red herrings to impute his challengers when called on to furnish evidence of his claims."
      "One cant win on the "political playing field" of elites by believing one cant defeat them."
      "One is a bot if one keeps using 'one must' .
      "One is without an arguement if one keeps asking if one has read the transcript when one has said numerous time that one has read the transcripts"
      "One reveals that one who read the transcript and see no holes in the case shown to the grand jury means one is naive and doesn't understand understand the prosecutor failure--deliberate according to most legal experts.
      "One also should before commenting and going on about the 'transcript' have reviewed the report on the very unusual 'non-collection and handling of physical evidence'.

      I will add more Seanism instructions on the 'One must" as needed if this thread continues.

    • This btw is the law and where it came from.

      ''Deadly force, as defined by the United States Armed Forces, is the force which a person uses, causing—or that a person knows, or should know, would create a substantial risk of causing—death, serious bodily harm or injury. In most jurisdictions, the use of deadly force is justified only under conditions of extreme necessity as a last resort, when all lesser means have failed or cannot reasonably be employed''........ AFI 31-207 Arming and Use of Force by Air Force Personnel

      ''Under U.S. law the *fleeing felon rule* was limited in 1985 to non-lethal force in most cases by Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1. The justices held that deadly force "may not be used unless necessary to prevent the escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious bodily harm to the officer or others......Tennessee v Garner

      A police officer may not seize an unarmed, nondangerous suspect by shooting him dead....
      —Justice Byron White, Tennessee v. Garner

      Now here is where Wilson's story was changed from the day of the shooting to the day he testified.

      # ''The Ferguson police clarified that Wilson did not know that Brown was a suspect in a robbery.''
      link to newsweek.com

      # But Wilson after consultation with his police department later testified that he' did know' Brown was a suspect in a robbery.

      And the extra idiotic excuse Wilson offered for 'chasing' Brown was that:

      ''Wilson then proceeded to explain his rationale for why he chased Brown. He said he wanted to keep Brown "contained" until support arrived. He said he thought that if he could buy 30 seconds of time, until other officers arrived, they could "make the arrest, nothing happens, we are all good.''

      If you expecting 'backup in 30 seconds' you don't need to contain the felon--who at that time was a felon only because he mouthed off and slapped a police officer ---because Wilson did not know at that time he was the robbery suspect.

      Then we have 'Wilson's fear for his life" because Brown was such a giant of a man Wilson couldn't handle him without a gun to protect himself from Brown.

      So of course it makes perfect sense!!!--- to chase a enraged bull as Wilson described him, that he is deathly afraid, of instead of waiting for police backup.
      Please, this is a case of a pussy cop getting pissed because he got slapped and had his authority challenged--- and by gawd was gonna get his attacker even if the guy was now running away and even if he had to kill him to get him.

      And all this whining about Wilson acting in self defense?---I might be the only person here who has actually had a loaded gun leveled on him by a enraged drunk and had to disarm him--so shut up unless you have had that experience.
      Because in that situation unless you are a retarded robot cop like Wilson evidently was, a dozen possible actions and endings flash thru your mind at the speed of light, in seconds----if you have any sense at all you chose the course of action that is least likely to get you killed yourself or results in having to kill the other person.

      That is not what this pussy cop did---he had other 'alternatives' in apprehending his attacker and he didn't use them. So I don't want to hear any more of the self defense bullshit. Wilson should have stayed in his fucking car just like Zimmerman should have stayed in his fucking car.
      Brown would now be sitting in jail instead of dead and we wouldn't be discussing yet another log thrown on the racial fire by a cop.

    • Sean,

      As I told you before=== your narrative is always exactly like the zio bot supremest on here who are always telling us and the Palestines to submit to higher power and authority-- that we can 't beat the elite machine--that we arent smart enough to defeat the brilliant Zio mafia or the brilliant neocons and how its all about getting our talking points together and picking the right fights and ''debating' the machine..and all the other un-certified babble in your pathetic 'posturing' as a 'strategist and political analyst .

    • '' However, as seanmcb points out, the police, in a skillful strategic maneuver, immediately made public the security videotape that showed a theft, bullying and that M. Brown was not an average skinny teenager, but rather, a very large young man. It must be admitted that the theft and bullying tempered my immediate sympathy and caused me to consider that there could be more than one side to this seemingly-horrible story — this is the moral ambiguity problem to which seanmcb refers. - ........chet

      You people are so superficial and obtuse. You miss the point entirely.
      It is not about whether or not Brown was a thief or bbully or not---its about police acting as 'executioners'----its about police 'escalating' situations instead of de-escalating situations--its about unnecessary killing. It is about inappropiate responses and authority and 'Gods with guns' complexes.
      Our so called 'law and order' is now a militarized machine-----Exactly like the IDF---that is the Palestine comparison to Ferguson.

    • To illustrate this shoot kill policy watch that popular Swat Team show on TV--cant think of the name of it.

      I happened to see one segment which illustrates this perfectly. The situation was a teenage girl on a rooftop standing between her mother and father and pointing a gun at her father who had almost beat her mother to death.
      The swat team was called in to this standoff----so what did the sharp shooters who supposedly were so good they could shoot the wings off a fly with their pin point targeting do?
      When the girl wouldn't put the gun down they shot her dead.
      No judgement calls, no moral calls, no forward thinking at all-----like robots they followed their training to kill dead-- not disable with their sharp shooter skills---- but kill fucking dead the person who has the gun, whether that person is the real criminal or not.

    • IMO people are missing the crux of the problem.

      In cases like Mike Brown and 400 other similar cases it is not a question of whether or not the victim was entirely innocent of anything or guilty of some crime or not.

      Its about the police mentality and policy of *SHOOT TO KILL*-----every time, all the time, regardless of the circumstances, kill first, ask questions later.

      Our Police Departments are loose cannons who now consider themselves part of the elite authority with a license to kill at any challenge to their authority----no* judgement* is exercised ----a 12 year with a toy gun gets the same 'shoot to kill ' treatment as a drug gang member shooting it out with the police.

      They operate Exactly like the IDF in Palestine.

    • OyVey00
      November 27, 2014, 7:35 am

      Looking thru your other comments I think you are a sock puppet.
      So far on here you have admired Netanyahu for protecting 'his people', condemned SA blacks, agreed that racial profiling works on Arabs because they are likely to be terrorist, whined about Wilson being criticized just because 'he's white', ......and made the idiotic statement that the grand jury presentation was legitimate when even respected criminal defense attorneys say the DA "prosecutor's" presentation was a 'defense of Wilson' was just that-----NOT a presentation of what might have been wrong about Wilson's actions which is what a 'prosecutor's' Job ' is.

      You're a phoney. Your comments add up to a anglo supremest sock puppet who dislikes Jews and brown/black people equally.

  • Efforts to suppress Palestinian activism on US campuses won't work
    • Gaining, gaining....

      Landmark victory in North Carolina

      Thank Durham County for ending million dollar contract with occupation profiteer G4S

      [ link to org.salsalabs.com ] _________________________________________

      Many of us were in the streets last night: protesting the injustice done in #Ferguson, demanding that #blacklivesmatter, re-committing to fighting against this system of injustice. A system we know will come down brick by brick. We know that Ferguson is everywhere, and that battles against racism, white supremacy, and state violence everywhere must be fought.

      One brick fell on Monday night when Durham County became the first U.S. municipality to drop G4S because of its role in perpetuating injustice in Israel/Palestine.

      We truly felt the strength of organizing last night as community members gathered to once more tell the County Commissioners to drop the county contract with G4S Secure Solutions. Our jaws dropped when they agreed to end the $1 million contract they've held for 11 years and re-open it new bidders.

      Please join us in thanking the county commissioners for responding to the voice of the community and make SURE they don't give the contract back to G4S.

      [ link to org.salsalabs.com ]

      Nearly a year ago our JVP-North Carolina chapter, leading a coalition of faith groups, social justice organizers, students, and peace activists, decided to respond to the call to boycott G4S by Palestinian political prisoners in 2012. We weren't sure how the commissioners would react when we wrote our first letter demanding they end the contract. We didn't know if anti-Palestinian opposition would attack us. But we knew we had to do something and respond to the Palestinian BDS call; to act in our own community.

      One member of our coalition, Ahmad Jitan, described personally the role G4S plays in supporting the Occupation -- supplying equipment used in the military checkpoints: "When I visit my family in Palestine, when I go through those checkpoints, I do not feel secure. I feel like I am the threat. I feel like I am the threat not because of anything I've done, but because of who I am. Because I'm Palestinian, because my name is Ahmad, because I am Muslim. Durham needed to take a principled stance + drop this contract, because G4S is complicit in this system."

      In researching the role G4S plays in our community, reading the fine print of county documents, and talking to African American community leaders and activists working against police profiling, we also began to ask: why do we need private guards at our libraries at all? These security guards have no accountability to our community and they carry guns and have the power to arrest people: further making our community unsafe for many. We discovered cases where G4S guards arrested people for making too much noise while they were waiting in line to apply for food stamps and where G4S guards chased and assaulted a community member.

      When the commissioners voted on Monday night, within minutes of the announcement of the terrible news from Ferguson, we felt clear that along with our win we've gained even more responsibility to step up, to speak out. As one of our close interfaith allies, Presbyterian Pastor Mark Davidson, said to me after the vote: "This is another hole in the wall. One day the whole system of domination and oppression will collapse under the weight of its own hubris, cruelty, and wrongdoing."

      G4S may put up a fight by re-bidding for the contract, and now that we've have booted them from our community we'll have to fight even harder to keep them out. Please sign our thank you letter now to ensure prison and occupation profiteers stay out of our communities.

      [ link to org.salsalabs.com ]

      From Ferguson to Palestine to Durham, to knocking holes in the wall, to shutting this system down,

      Jade Brooks
      Jewish Voice for Peace North Carolina

      PS: If you're interested in starting a campaign against G4S in your local community, please visit durhamdropg4s.wordpress.com (or write to [email protected]) -- we'd love to share out our resources and experience!)

  • The Minds of Others: An interview with Max Blumenthal
    • '' That’s because pro-Jewish laws to that effect have been enacted. Other white people don’t have that luxury. You even have a special section at the State Department looking for anti-Israel critics world-wide. Not exactly a witch hunt but not far from it - --Walid

      That's actually true. And there are other special considerations Jews receive not available to other Americans----such as being able to fully deduct any donations to Israel from their income. Other people cant fully deduct their charity donations unless they exceed a certain percentage of their income.

    • Well I think Max is wrong on this one.....he got kneecapped by a certain political group in Germany who like most politicians everywhere and especially in Germany have to prove they are not racist or anti semites or they will be hung out to dry politically by their party and certain donors.
      I don't see this as having anything to do with 'whiteness' or Germans attitude toward race.
      It had more to do with them being afraid of the Zios and their orgs smearing them if they didnt denounce Max and David.

  • Like an unrequited lover, 'NYT' confesses itself heartbroken over Israel's (latest) betrayal of democracy
    • link to blogs.forward.com

      If America Had Laws Like Israel
      By Avital Burg

      A new proposed bill, supported by senators on both sides of the aisle, will finally define and determine the United States of America as the land of the Protestant People, the largest religious constituency in the U.S. and the group out of which America’s founding fathers and ruling leadership emerged.

      The new law aims to anchor Protestant values in the laws of the land, inspired by the spirit of the American Constitution. Furthermore, the bill proceeds to state that the U.S. will continue to uphold a fundamentally democratic character. According to the new law, the United States will be fully committed to the foundations of Freedom, Justice, and Peace, in light of our Lord Jesus Christ.

      At the same time, the bill suggests, the right to implement a national self-definition will be exclusively reserved for the Protestant People. According to the new bill, Protestant values will serve as inspiration to lawmakers and judges at the different levels of the United States’ legislative and judicial branches. In cases where a court of justice encounters difficulties in ruling over issues that have no readily available answers in the Law, in the Christian Canon, or in logical reasoning, it will then rule according to the principles of freedom, justice, integrity and peace stemming from the Protestant heritage''......
      continued

      typical comments on the article

      benjilachkar · 15 hours ago

      The law states that Israel is the country of the Jewish *People* not religion (there is no "Protestant people" by the way). And that is what is already stated in the Independence declaration

      KokhavShavit · 12 hours ago

      Perhaps Avital Burg missed school on the day that they explained who the Jews are. So, we'll have to forgive her for not knowing that the Jews are a people. The Protestants are not a people.'

    • '' Since its founding in 1948, Israel’s very existence and promise — fully embraced by the United States and the world of nations — has been based on the ideal of democracy for all of its people. "

      What bs...Israel WAS NEVER based on democracy...its 'ideal' from day one was to run off the other to create Jewish Rule.
      Can we please start laughing and ridiculing this propaganda of ..''oh Israel democracy is failing or declining, sob sob, how did it ever go so wrong'',..... as if it ever existed.....because it is nothing but propaganda inserted into every article on Israel.

  • 'What is your religion?' question surprises two American visitors to the occupation
    • Ellen
      November 24, 2014, 3:07 pm

      Interesting exchange, GL.

      Stunning is racist Goldberg’s tweet:

      @NrouteHQ @chrislhayes No not impossible. Minorities can be fully enfranchised in a state that has a particular ethnic or national character
      >>>>>>>>>>

      Can they? ...... would Goldberg care to test that in the USA?
      There is a similar movement in my state to declare the state 'Christian'.....and in some other states as a matter of fact.
      If this happened you'd be able to hear Jews like Goldberg screaming all the way to Mars.
      Worthless hypocrite.

      link to thinkprogress.org

      Mississippi Group Seeks To Declare Christianity As State Religion

      November 20, 2014 at 8:45 am
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      "Mississippi Group Seeks To Declare Christianity As State Religion"

      As a federal judge prepares to rule on Mississippi’s ban on same-sex marriage, a group known as the Magnolia State Heritage Campaign is trying to cement Christianity as the state’s official religion in its constitution. They are proposing a constitutional amendment that they hope will be on the 2016 ballot.

      The campaign’s Arthur Randallson explained to American Family Association news network OneNewsNow, “We have taken a little bit of time to prepare an initiative that covers promoting Christianity, which is recognized as the principal religion of Mississippi from the founding of the state in 1817 to the present, and affirmed in the state constitution prayer acknowledging the Holy Bible.”

      The actual text of the amendment would read:

      The State of Mississippi hereby acknowledges the fact of her identity as a principally Christian and quintessentially Southern state, in terms of the majority of her population, character, culture, history, and heritage, from 1817 to the present; accordingly, the Holy Bible is acknowledged as a foremost source of her founding principles, inspiration, and virtues; and, accordingly, prayer is acknowledged as a respected, meaningful, and valuable custom of her citizens. The acknowledgments hereby secured shall not be construed to transgress either the national or the state Constitution’s Bill of Rights.

      In other words, it doesn’t violate the First Amendment, which prohibits the establishment of a state religion, simply because it says that it wouldn’t.

      The Tea Party-driven initiative would also establish English as the official language of the state, requiring all governmental services, functions, or communications to be rendered “in the English language only.”

      Another significant aspect of the “Heritage Initiative” is an embrace of the state’s Confederate heritage. “Dixie” would be made the state song, April would be “Confederate Heritage Month,” the Confederate Battle Flag would be flown at the state capitol, and “Colonel Reb” would be reinstated as the official mascot of the University of Mississippi, having been changed out for a less-offensive black bear named “Rebel” in 2010. The initiative also reinforces that the Mississippi State University mascot remain an English Bulldog and that the University of Southern Mississippi mascot remain a Golden Eagle, two mascots that have never been controversial or reconsidered by their respective schools.

      The language has already been approved for consideration, so the Heritage Campaign is now working to collect the 110,000 signatures to qualify it for the ballot.

      Meanwhile, the ACLU of Mississippi has come out strongly against the measure, noting that declaring Christianity a state religion would undermine “peaceful pluralism and religious diversity,” English-only restrictions would discrimination against minorities, and the so-called “heritage, culture, and traditions” promoted by the initiative are “steeped in historical discrimination based on race.”

  • George Lopez turns into a Christian Zionist hack
  • Israel lost the British elite after Gaza onslaught, UK ambassador says
    • What is or are Stolpersteine?

    • '' “It was our mistake. It was an Arab mistake as a whole.''

      The Arab mistake was not buying Truman and some politicians like the zionist did.

    • '' Merkel Against Unilaterally Recognizing Palestine as a State''

      Whats wrong with this woman?
      Evidently not having any nazis left in Germany to speak of, she has decided to support the ones in Israel.

    • Horizontal......
      ''If we’re looking for a last straw, we may have to look elsewhere .''>>>>

      The one thing scholars and studiers of revolutions all agreed on is no one ever knows what' the last straw will be.'

      It can be the same straws that have fallen before, it can even be smaller than all the other straws dropped on the populace before.

      Its the 'cumulative' effects of all the straws that produces the 'last straw' when it falls on widespread frustration with socio-political conditions.

    • seafoid....."And it is made even more interesting by the fact that Israel has this desperate neediness alongside the limitless cruelty. Please love us - '''

      Its not love they want.
      They want the kind of ' worship' from others that is inspired by power and 'fear' of them.
      Its the same kind of psychopathy as neocons who get personal pleasure from slinging the almighty wrath of the mighty US around the world.
      Fear = hatred.
      And karma is a bitch.
      Faster please.

    • If there is an ending for Zionist-Israel what it the likeliest way it will come about?
      I don't think its going to come about thru internal Isr politics or revolts in Israel
      I believe it would be thru economic failure and collapse.
      And the two ways that could happen would be either sanctions by Europe on Israel or the wider ME war and chaos Israel wants to establish its hegemony. It would only take a short while under regional chaos for a county like Isr to go belly up economically.
      The only semi positive outcome of Isr's economic collapse is it might finally end the US-Isr ponzi scheme that has kept Israel afloat.
      The financial impact on the US of the economic failure of Israel would be impossible to hide from the US public under those circumstances.
      US taxpayers would be on the hook for 1) Israeli Bonds sold around the world and guaranteed by the US government and 2) US guarantees of Israeli Debt to other countries the Israeli government purchases from.
      What would cause the most public storm would be taxpayers having to make good on Israeli bonds that US entities have invested their Employees Retirement Funds into---or those billions in US retirees funds would be down the drain and retirees left without a dollar. It would be Enron x's a million effect on many retiree funds.

      In addition to the I=Lobby and orgs domination of congress, the US is in exactly the same position as a banker that has made a bad loan on a project and instead of capping and writing off its loses, keeps pumping more money into the loan project trying to make it successful and salvage its investment.

      So far the ponzi scheme keeps getting kicked down the road.

      * On July 17, 2012, the U.S. House of Representatives approved an extension to the program. On July 27, 2012, President Barack Obama signed into law a program extension to 2016 while allowing the United States to provide access to up to $3.8 billion in future loan guarantees as part of the $9 billion commitment made in 2003.
      * The stock of bonds backed by U.S. government guarantees was NIS 46 billion as of December 2011 and it constitutes 41% of the foreign currency debt.
      * In addition the US also provides some debt guarantees to Jordon and Egypt though not close to what it provides to Israel. Presumably in consideration for the Isr-Jordan -Egypt peace agreement.

  • First they came for the Palestinians . . .
    • Perfect.

      And
      '' because by then I had fallen into silence to reflect upon the appalling disgraceful and impossible aspects of human nature''

      Which is the answer to the trolls who always use the excuse we don't take on ALL evil countries and only pick on Israel.
      You cant actively take on everything at one time, you have to pick
      what you think or hope you can influence or do something about.

  • Defend Palestine supporters from NY college president's anti-Semitism slander
    • They should feel threatened.
      If there is one thing everyone should have learned about Zionist and Israel by now its that they *will not compromise* on Jewish domination of Palestine or on Zionist domination of US policy on I/P.

      So once again, do not be side tracked by defending against the anti semitism accusation, turn it on them instead.
      When they use anti semite --you use ethnic religious racist.
      Play offense --put them on the defense.

  • One week in Jerusalem and -- it's not complicated
  • Netanyahu's 'battle for Jerusalem' can't end well for any of us
    • Applause as Israeli journo says the life of 1 Jewish child was more important to her than 1000's of Palestinian kids

      link to haaretz.com

      Has anyone in the US (besides the worse junk yard dogs in the zio kennel like old Bad Rachel ) ever actually said one child's life was worth more than any others?

      If some journalist in the US said this would they lose their job? Probably depends on who they worked for if we want to be honest.

    • '' yonah fredman
      November 22, 2014, 2:57 pm

      '' you are obviously someone who believes “the ends justify the means”.>>>>

      Oh brother....more pot calling kettle black.
      Quote me a single zionist who hasn't said that the seizing of Palestine for the Jews wasn't a 'end that justified the means'.
      Hypocrite.

    • ''self emancipation is a pamphlet that was written by pinsker in 1881. very imperfect, flawed, but clairvoyant. but in 2014 the politics of 1881 ''..... yonah

      Easy to see why you are so messed up.
      You cant deconstruct the pilpul. What Pinsker is saying:
      Is that Jews had to renounce some of *their own nationality*--do you understand what that means?---it means Pinsker viewed Jews as a *nationality* before he came to even seeing the need for a Jewish state piece of real estate.
      Then he goes to say that only when Jews are treated as a respected 'nationality as other nations are can Jews be secure.
      Of course he blames the others of the nations for the Jewish plight because they dont treat Jews as 'one of them' in their nations AND at the same time respect them as individuals that are also a separate Jewish nation.
      Do you not see the dog chasing its tail problem here?
      You cannot be accepted on a equal or un-different status by other nationals if you have a belief that you are 'still a separate or different 'nation unto yourselves' even if you assimilate into a nation in all other ways.
      This is exactly the point of debate between Jews and Rabbis during the Enlightenment when citizenship was offered them. They wanted the citizenship privileges but did not want to give up the claim that Jews comprised a 'Jewish nation" that would have to follow some of its own laws instead of the nations laws.
      Now you have taken the formerly un-anchored to a piece of land Jewish nation and anchored it to the nation of Israel in Palestine.
      From where all Jews are told they are citizens of the 'Jewish nation' regardless of where they live.
      The circle keeps going round and round.

      link to en.wikisource.org

      ''In seeking to fuse with other peoples they deliberately renounced to some extent their own nationality.
      Yet nowhere did they succeed in obtaining from their fellow-citizens recognition as natives of equal status

      .The world has yet long to wait for eternal peace. Meanwhile nations live side by side in a state of relative peace, secured by treaties and international law, but based chiefly on the fundamental equality between them.

      But it is different with the people of Israel. There is no such equality in the nations' dealings with the Jews. The basis is absent upon which treaties and international law may be applied: mutual respect. Only when this basis is established, when the equality of Jews with other nations becomes a fact, can the Jewish problem be considered solved''

    • Horizontal.....
      '' Common bonds like power, wealth, racism and xenophobia have replaced the old ones of Mom & Apple Pie. -''........

      Mom and apple pie reminds me, Jim Webb may run for President

      2016 Presidential race kicks off with Jim Webb
      link to cnn.com

      Maybe a Scots-Irishman with a temper can solve our Israel problem.
      I like him.
      The liberals hate him, the conservatives hate him, the elites hate him and the Zionist hate him.
      He's perfect.

    • '' .... to gain a little time and preparing to abandon ship, leaving their plebeian compatriots alone to face the painful consequences of their rule. - ....Laurent Weppe

      Probably. Someone correct me if I am wrong but from what I've read the wealthiest in Israel are now a few Russians. Hopefully they will go back to Russia. Let Putin deal with them.

  • Inadequate religion
    • Agreed. Prayer isn't going to solve anything.
      And using religion in this is a two edged sword--- all religions should stick to simple calls for what is humane and right and for 'justice' ---but too many fanatics will use religion as another log to throw on the fire.

  • In landslide, UCLA student govt votes to divest from Israeli occupation
    • I know but it still counts.
      And its reported in newspapers from SA to New Zealand.
      So people see it.

    • growing growing growing......

      Woolworths faces Israel protest at key meeting
      Independent Online-11 hours ago
      “The call for Woolworths to terminate relations with Israel is part of a non-violent response to the Israeli regime,” Desai said. “We'd like to ...

      Woolworths shareholders back Israel boycott
      Times LIVE-Nov 18, 2014

  • Israel sows despair and senseless violence
    • The zionist feed the evil politicians who always capitulate to their own self serving political interest , then the politicians feed the evil wolf in Israel.
      Something has to break up this scheme of the US being the criminal defense attorney for Israel.
      Ethnic favoritism and politics must go, political money must go, personal interest must go, selecting government by ethnic or religion must go...it all has to end.
      It starts at the top it has be torn down from the top.

      link to forward.com

      For Samantha Power, Support for Israel Is Deeply Personal — and Proven
      U.N. Envoy Wins Over Jewish Community With Track Record

      Power Play: Samantha Power, shown here with President Obama, leaves little to chance, especially when it comes to shoring up support around Israel.

      By Nathan Guttman
      Published June 15, 2013, issue of June 21, 2013.

      (snips)

      During a White House meeting with Israeli officials in 2009, Samantha Power, like any other proud mother, pulled out a photo of her infant son. In speaking to the admiring crowd, she added a surprising detail: Her son, she said, is a descendant, from his father’s side, of the Vilna Gaon, Rabbi Eliyahu ben Shlomo Zalman Kremer, the 18th-century Jewish sage who is considered the greatest talmudic scholar of his time.

      This impressive lineage — a product of Power’s marriage to prominent law professor Cass Sunstein — offers some insight into Power’s personal sense of connection to Jews. But it is not the key to understanding her strong backing within the Jewish and pro-Israel communities, despite past statements that have been seen as critical of Israel and of the American lobby that backs it.

      Power, who was recently chosen by President Obama to serve as the next ambassador to the United Nations, has made inroads to the community, thanks to her hands-on work in support of Israel at the United Nations and at other international forums.

      “Her starting point has always been, ‘How do we work together to overcome obstacles and to ensure that both the United States and Israel get out of these U.N. situations with the least damage?” said Dan Arbel, who served as deputy chief of mission at the Israeli Embassy in Washington. ”

      Israeli counterparts have found in Power a close ally, though they note that her efforts on Israel’s behalf do not necessarily signal blind support for its policies, especially as they relate to the issue of exclusive Jewish settlements in the West Bank.

      But many in the pro-Israel community encountered Power’s thinking about the region when they came across an earlier, now-famous interview she gave in 2002, before coming to government, to Harry Kreisler, executive director of the Institute of International Studies at the University of California, Berkeley. In it, Power was asked a hypothetical question about the possibility of a genocidal situation in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and replied that in that case, the United States should consider putting “a meaningful military presence” on the ground in the West Bank.

      “Putting something on the line might mean alienating a domestic constituency of tremendous political and financial import,” she added, in apparent reference to the pro-Israel lobby. “It may more crucially mean (investing) billions of dollars, not in servicing Israel’s military, but actually investing in the new state of Palestine.”.....

      .

    • link to rebellesociety.com

      The two wolves inside.

      One is evil – he is anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, and ego.”

      “The other is good – he is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion, and faith. '
      The one you feed wins.

      Or so the lesson goes.

      Who can deny we and the world haven't fed Israel wolf a diet of kindness, benevolence, empathy generosity and compassion?
      But its made no difference and its all flowed into the evil wolf.
      So what next?

  • Palestinians who targeted Jerusalem synagogue have sights set on U.S. -- Israeli propaganda
    • Such propaganda.
      Israel has killed more Americans than Palestines or ISIS.
      And that's not even counting dual citizen Jews or US Palestines visiting Palestine.

  • For Obama officials, synagogue attack is 'pure terror' -- and not a word about attacks on Palestinians
    • '' but the embarrassment that hass described finding among the Palestinians has been utterly lacking here in the comments section, at least of this post ------yonah

      Once again...

      First, Palestines are better people than we are. Or you are . That's a fact.
      Second, the only thing we have to be embarrassed about is our failure to stop the cause, the Isr occupation.

      Third, did you ever see the movie "Patton"..and the scene where he slapped the shit out of a sniveling, whining solider who refused to go back with his company and fight?

      If you did you should take it to heart as how Americans are not nearly as nice as Palestines. And Israel one day might have to answer to us instead of the kinder them.

    • annie.....I dont know if it happened, just noticed it last night on twitter.
      I don't even want to follow up on it....its a cess pool of fear mongering and poisoning the Jewish well and society in general that turns my stomach.
      I'd like to have a fire hose to wash these people off the streets and into the sewer where they belong.

    • link to twitter.com

      Wiesel, Rabbi Boteach and Samatha Powers and The Jewish Values network presents:

      'GENOCIDE AND THE JEWS - A NEVER ENDING PROBLEM'

      I actually had the urge to throw up when I saw this .
      Its evil. They are sick evil people.

    • '' But nary a word in the direction of a human reaction. Hardened hearts, anyone?.....yonah

      Here's a human reaction......I regret these people or any non combant civilians are killed .

      But what do you expect? You expect Palestine not to ever be crazy and desperate and enraged and want revenge?

      Israel never lets up on the Palestines, not for a day, an hour or a second----for 65 long brutal years. Being oppressed and slaughtered by you is all some Palestine had ever known in their lifetimes.
      You never stop killing them, shooting their children, humiliating them, imprisoning them, sealing from them .
      If you were doing this to me in my country I'd try to kill every one of you.
      In fact if you were doing to this to any other people anywhere on earth you would have been wiped out long ago.

      You get what you give. So you can blame Israel for this.

  • This is not yet an intifada, Palestinians say
    • I wish they would release him.
      It would set the US intelligence community on fire.
      At least the half of US Intel agencies that aren't Israeli moles and agents.

  • 'Zionism' is now a dirty word for American opinion elite, Frank Luntz concedes
    • '' intrinsically grand'....???

      More like dog shit on the bottom of the world's shoe.
      It will be scrapped off eventually.

    • link to haaretz.com

      Secret EU document outlines sanctions to impose if Israel thwarts two-state solution
      Proposal is still at early stage, but is said to offer far more ‘stick’ than ‘carrot’ to Israel if it makes a two-state solution unviable.

      I'll believe they are serious if they ever sanction Israel, not just settlements.

    • '' Notice that the witnesses on the video are all men. Odd. “I do fear for my life,” one says of being pro-Israel on campus. The young men relate assaults, fractured skulls; and the film ends with the question “Never Again?” ->>>>>

      Time to call the bluff of US zionist.
      When they complain that everyone is against them and people dont like them, say you're right, we dont' like you and we're fed up with your Israel crap.
      Agree with them that anti semitism is rampant, a holocaust is about to occur and they should run for their lives to Israel.

      See how many of them actually leave.

  • Videos: Jerusalem Skunk
    • Petty, ugly, vile, filthy, evil, dirty, repugnant, repulsive, reprehensible, pond scum, gutter rats, reptilian, nasty, obscene, contemptible, debased, depraved, despicable, foul, worthless, abhorrent, spiteful, vicious, heinous , abominable, slimy, loathsome, malign, amoral, revolting, hideous, grotesque, malevolent, hateful,worthless, garbage.....

      what have I left out?

  • Caltech prof says Israeli scientist passed NASA rocket secrets to his government
    • Why did Troian hire an Israeli to begin with?
      Her whining over this now rings a bit hollow to me.....everyone on the frigging earth knows a Israeli is going to steal info if he can.

  • US Jewish voters have more favorable feelings about Netanyahu than Obama
    • A year or so ago I said the I-Zionist in the US need to be 'shunned, ostracized, treated as socially unacceptable and outcast'---several people took issue with me on the grounds of historical anti semitism and sensitivities and so forth as if it applied only to Jews.

      The fact is making bad people unacceptable to society works to marginalize and discredit them.......no one welcomes pedophiles or racist or animal abusers into their company----the I -Zionist should be treated the same way.

    • '' i just fundamentally disagree with the idea we need to change the jewish community to turn this thing around. ''.....annie

      The Jewish community is not going to turn it around.....and saying this is not to disparage the work of the anti Zionist Jews at all.....they are a critical element and have jump started most of the Israel protest in the US.
      .
      Its simply going to take the 'others'....a big mass of others to turn the politicians.
      Some Jews--like Jerry Slater for instance, want to keep the Israeli fight 'inside' the Jewish community--- and warn us against crossing the Jewish community on Israel.

      And I am sure this will be misinterpreted -----but the 'Pro Israel Jewish Community and their Establishment and its followers and politicians also need to know there will be 'consequences' for crossing Americans.

      As my hero at AdBusters wisely said ...Play Offense, Not Defense.

  • Why I confronted Gregor Gysi
    • @ Walid

      Why should he have to throttle back from telling the truth to avoid being attacked or killed on a street on Israel?

      I don't think his fears are overblown....considering he does live in Israel where Israeli fanatics run wild unhampered by the police.

    • hoppie....

      “Jews die as result of the incitement of people like you and Max.”
      >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

      Nope, more Jews are likely to die because of Jews like you who when given a choice of which way to go in the world chose to follow the Netanyahus and the other absolutely worse picks of the litter.

    • '' I also hope that you and Max might find your way to Capitol Hill soon and send a couple of hundred similar cowards scurrying to their bathroom redoubts. We’re bankrolling this madness, after all "

      YES !....that's the kind of action needed.

    • I admire you for confronting that asshole.
      Everyone who has the opportunity to should be confronting and cutting these politicians down to size.

  • Video: Routine exchange on a bus reveals racism embedded within Jewish Israeli society
    • ivri
      November 12, 2014, 8:15 am

      Please, Annie, is it so surprising that a century old, occasionally real bloody, gives rise to such undesirable phenomena?>>>>>

      Ah, but you (zionist-israel) created the Israel 'phenomena'..didn't you.

      You have a inherent superior victim, eternally entitled People 'disease'.
      That you blame on the eternal and inherent Gentile anti Semitic 'disease'.

      The world has done its part to cure the "gentile disease".

      What have you done to cure your own 'disease'. ..?

      Nothing that I can see.

    • '' There’s alot of footage featuring actual racism against gentiles in Israel, but this isn’t one. -..OyVey

      I am sure you understand Isr's 'security issues' are brought on by its own racism, ethnic/religo choseness and victim entitlement greed.

    • '' This rhetoric of Jewish supremacy, how are people supposed to live around and deal with this mentality? That is a serious question.''

      The answer is no one is suppose to live with ethnic or religious supremacy--not in Israel , not in the US and not any where else.
      Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

  • Rather than exhibit real solidarity, church leaders appeal to Israel's occupation to protect Al Aqsa
    • The Churches say these things I imagine because even the dumbest religious know that it is useless to call upon Israel to end their occupation.

      To end the occupation churches and everyone else are going to have to call for the destruction of Israel.....they wont go that far....so they issue pablum and platitudes.

  • Al Jazeera investigates the USS Liberty attack in 'The Day Israel Attacked America'
    • At least entered into the congressional record.

      link to thomas.loc.gov:

      HON. JOHN CONYERS, JR.
      OF MICHIGAN
      IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
      Thursday, October 7, 2004

      Mr. CONYERS. Mr. Speaker, on February 5 of this year, a legendary American naval hero passed away in Bethesda, Maryland. Admiral Thomas H. Moorer epitomized the finest qualities of dedication and national service. His distinguished naval career spanned 41 years, including service as a naval aviator, as one of the first pilots off the ground during the attack on Pearl Harbor, as a decorated hero of numerous combat missions in the Southwest Pacific and the Battle of Midway, as Commander in Chief of the Pacific Fleet, as commander of NATO's U.S. Atlantic Command and the U.S. Atlantic Fleet, becoming the only officer in the Navy's history to command both our Atlantic and Pacific Fleets, as Chief of Naval Operations, as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and as a tireless advocate for American veterans. Admiral Moorer was instrumental in establishing the United States Navy Memorial on Pennsylvania Avenue. In numerous appearances before Congressional Committees, Admiral Moorer provided valuable testimony on a variety of national security concerns.

      Capping this extraordinary career, Admiral Moorer made his final appearance on Capitol Hill on October 22, 2003, as Chairman of the Independent Commission of Inquiry into the 1967 attack on the USS Liberty. It is a privilege for me to introduce the Findings of the Independent Commission of Inquiry Into the Israeli Attack on the USS Liberty into the CONGRESSIONAL RECORD.
      FINDINGS OF THE INDEPENDENT COMMISSION OF INQUIRY INTO THE ISRAELI ATTACK ON THE USS ``LIBERTY,'' THE RECALL OF MILITARY RESCUE SUPPORT AIRCRAFT WHILE THE SHIP WAS UNDER ATTACK, AND THE SUBSEQUENT COVER-UP BY THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT

      We, the undersigned, having undertaken an independent investigation of Israel's attack on the USS Liberty, including eyewitness testimony from surviving crewmembers, a review of naval and other official records, an examination of official statements by the Israeli and American governments, a study of the conclusions of all previous official inquiries, and a consideration of important

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      new evidence and recent statements from individuals having direct knowledge of the attack or the cover up, hereby find the following:

      1. That on June 8, 1967, after eight hours of aerial surveillance, Israel launched a two-hour air and naval attack against the USS Liberty, the world's most sophisticated intelligence ship, inflicting 34 dead and 172 wounded American servicemen (a casualty rate of seventy percent, in a crew of 294);

      2. That the Israeli air attack lasted approximately 25 minutes, during which time unmarked Israeli aircraft dropped napalm canisters on the Liberty's bridge, and fired 30mm cannons and rockets into our ship, causing 821 holes, more than 100 of which were rocket-size; survivors estimate 30 or more sorties were flown over the ship by a minimum of 12 attacking Israeli planes which were jamming all five American emergency radio channels;

      3. That the torpedo boat attack involved not only the firing of torpedoes, but the machine-gunning of the Liberty's firefighters and stretcher-bearers as they struggled to save their ship and crew; the Israeli torpedo boats later returned to machine-gun at close range three of the Liberty's life rafts that had been lowered into the water by survivors to rescue the most seriously wounded;

      4. That there is compelling evidence that Israel's attack was a deliberate attempt to destroy an American ship and kill her entire crew; evidence of such intent is supported by statements from Secretary of State Dean Rusk, Undersecretary of State George Ball, former CIA director Richard Helms, former NSA directors Lieutenant General William Odom, USA (Ret.), Admiral Bobby Ray Inman, USN (Ret.), and Marshal Carter; former NSA deputy directors Oliver Kirby and Major General John Morrison, USAF (Ret.); and former Ambassador Dwight Porter, U.S. Ambassador to Lebanon in 1967;

      5. That in attacking the USS Liberty, Israel committed acts of murder against American servicemen and an act of war against the United States;

      6. That fearing conflict with Israel, the White House deliberately prevented the U.S. Navy from coming to the defense of the Liberty by recalling Sixth Fleet military rescue support while the ship was under attack; evidence of the recall of rescue aircraft is supported by statements of Captain Joe Tully, Commanding Officer of the aircraft carrier USS Saratoga, and Rear Admiral Lawrence Geis, the Sixth Fleet carrier division commander, at the time of the attack; never before in American naval history has a rescue mission been cancelled when an American ship was under attack;

      7. That although the Liberty was saved from almost certain destruction through the heroic efforts of the ship's Captain, William L. McGonagle (MOH), and his brave crew, surviving crewmembers were later threatened with ``court-martial, imprisonment or worse'' if they exposed the truth; and were abandoned by their own government;

      8. That due to the influence of Israel's powerful supporters in the United States, the White House deliberately covered up the facts of this attack from the American people;

      9. That due to continuing pressure by the pro-Israel lobby in the United States, this attack remains the only serious naval incident that has never been thoroughly investigated by Congress; to this day, no surviving crewmember has been permitted to officially and publicly testify about the attack;

      10. That there has been an official cover-up without precedent in American naval history; the existence of such a cover-up is now supported by statements of Rear Admiral Merlin Staring, USN (Ret.), former Judge Advocate General of the Navy; and Captain Ward Boston, USN, (Ret.), the chief counsel to the Navy's 1967 Court of Inquiry of the Liberty attack;

      11. That the truth about Israel's attack and subsequent White House cover-up continues to be officially concealed from the American people to the present day and is a national disgrace;

      12. That a danger to our national security exists whenever our elected officials are willing to subordinate American interests to those of any foreign nation, and specifically are unwilling to challenge Israel's interests when they conflict with American interests; this policy, evidenced by the failure to defend the USS Liberty and the subsequent official cover-up of the Israeli attack, endangers the safety of Americans and the security of the United States.

      Whereupon, we, the undersigned, in order to fulfill our duty to the brave crew of the USS Liberty and to all Americans who are asked to serve in our Armed Forces, hereby call upon the Department of the Navy, the Congress of the United States and the American people to immediately take the following actions:

      First, That a new Court of Inquiry be convened by the Department of the Navy, operating with Congressional oversight, to take public testimony from surviving crewmembers; and to thoroughly investigate the circumstances of the attack on the USS Liberty, with full cooperation from the National Security Agency, the Central Intelligence Agency and the military intelligence services, and to determine Israel's possible motive in launching said attack on a U.S. naval vessel;

      Second, That every appropriate committee of the Congress of the United States investigate the actions of the White House and Defense Department that prevented the rescue of the USS Liberty, thereafter threatened her surviving officers and men if they exposed the truth, and covered up the true circumstances of the attack from the American people; and

      Third, That the eighth day of June of every year be proclaimed to be hereafter known as USS Liberty Remembrance Day, in order to commemorate the Liberty's heroic crew; and to educate the American people of the danger to our national security inherent in any passionate attachment of our elected officials for any foreign nation.
      AFFIDAVIT OF CAPTAIN WARD BOSTON, USN, JAG (RET.), SENIOR COUNSEL TO THE U.S. NAVY COURT OF INQUIRY

      For more than 30 years, I have remained silent on the topic of the USS Liberty. I am a military man and when orders come in from the Secretary of Defense and President of the United States, I follow them.

      However, recent attempts to rewrite history compel me to share the truth.

      In June of 1967, while serving as a Captain in the Judge Advocates General Department of the Navy, I was assigned as senior legal counsel for the Navy's Court of Inquiry into the brutal attack on the USS Liberty, which had occurred on June 8th. The late Admiral Isaac C. Kidd, president of the Court, and I were given only one week to gather evidence for the Navy's official investigation into the attack. Admiral John S. McCain, Jr., then Commander-in-chief, Naval Forces Europe (CINCUSNAVEUR), at his headquarters in London, had charged Admiral Kidd (in a letter dated June 10, 1967) to ``inquire into all the pertinent facts and circumstances leading to and connected with the armed attack: damage resulting therefrom; and deaths of and injuries to Naval personnel.'' Despite the short amount of time we were given, we gathered a vast amount of evidence, including hours of heartbreaking testimony from the young survivors.

      The evidence was clear. Both Admiral Kidd and I believed with certainty that this attack, which killed 34 American sailors and injured 172 others, was a deliberate effort to sink an American ship and murder its entire crew. I am certain that the Israeli pilots that undertook the attack, as well as their superiors who had ordered the attack, were aware that the ship was American.

      I saw the flag, which had visibly identified the ship as American, riddled with bullet holes, and heard testimony that made it clear that the Israelis intended there be no survivors. Not only did the Israelis attack the ship with napalm, gunfire, and missiles, Israeli torpedo boats machine-gunned three lifeboats that had been launched in an attempt by the crew to save the most seriously wounded--a war crime.

      I am outraged at the efforts of the apologists for Israel in this country to claim that this attack was a case of ``mistaken identity.'' In particular, the recent publication of Jay Cristol's book, The Liberty Incident, twists the facts and misrepresents the views of those of us who investigated the attack. It is Cristol's insidious attempt to whitewash the facts that has pushed me to speak out.

      I know from personal conversations I had with Admiral Kidd that President Lyndon Johnson and Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara ordered him to conclude that the attack was a case of ``mistaken identity'' despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Contrary to the misinformation presented by Cristol and others, it is important for the American people to know that it is clear that Israel is responsible for deliberately attacking an American ship and murdering American sailors, whose bereaved shipmates have lived with this egregious conclusion for many years.
      COMMONLY ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT THE USS ``LIBERTY''

      1. What happened to the USS Liberty? The USS Liberty was a virtually unarmed American Navy ship that was attacked by Israeli planes and torpedo boats on June 8, 1967.

      2. What were the American casualties? 34 American sailors were killed and 172 injured that day, a casualty rate of 70%. This is the highest casualty rate ever inflicted upon a U.S. naval vessel that remained afloat after an attack.

      3. What was Israel's explanation for the attack? Israel claimed the attack was ``a case of mistaken identity''; that they didn't know it was an American ship.

      4. Why would we question that explanation more than 30 years later? The ship's survivors were afraid to speak out in the early years because of threats of ``court martial, prison or worse'' if they did not remain silent. However, as time passed, they have stepped forward to say the attack was deliberate.

      Recently, high government and military officials have suggested that not only was the attack deliberate, but that the US government covered up the incident. Today, an Independent Commission of Inquiry has found that Israel committed ``an act of war'' against the United States (see Findings of Independent Commission).

      In addition, the Navy's chief attorney to the original 1967 military Court of Inquiry has issued a statement that orders to cover up the incident were issued by President Lyndon Johnson and Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara [see Statement of Captain Ward Boston, USN, JAG (Ret.)].

      5. Did Israel have reason to believe the USS Liberty was an Egyptian ship? Israel says its pilots and torpedo boat commanders

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      confused the USS Liberty with the El Quseir, an Egyptian ship allegedly firing upon its forces in the Sinai. But there was no Egyptian naval bombardment that day; nor did the El Quseir (an unarmed 1920s-era horse carrier out of service in Alexandria) bear any resemblance to the Liberty.

      6. Isn't it difficult to identify a ship if you're in an airplane? In 1967, the USS Liberty was the most sophisticated intelligence ship in the world, with dozens of large antennas, including a large moon-bounce ``satellite-dish'' mounted on a tall structure near the stern. It may have been one of the most easily identifiable ships of any navy in the world. With a displacement of 10,000 tons, it was four times the size of the antique Egyptian transport it is claimed to have resembled. Freshly painted, the Liberty carried large white identification numbers on its bow. Egyptian hull numbers are painted black.

      7. Doesn't Israel say that the Liberty flew no flag? According to American survivors, a 5-by-8 feet American flag was hoisted early that morning and was flying all day until it was shot away by attacking aircraft. Within several minutes, it was replaced by the giant 7-by-13 feet holiday ensign, which flew for the duration of the attack.

      8. Could Israel have thought the ship was in a war zone, acting suspiciously? According to surviving crewmembers, Israeli reconnaissance aircraft closely studied the Liberty over an eight-hour period prior to the attack, one flying within two hundred feet of the ship. At all times the Liberty was a clearly marked American ship in international waters, proceeding at a speed of only 5 knots.

      9. What was the weather like the day of the attack? Weather reports confirm that it was a clear day with unlimited visibility. The Israeli reconnaissance planes could have seen the Liberty's crew sunbathing on the upper decks just before the attack. The flag was flying in a 12-knot breeze for most of the afternoon.

      10. Doesn't Israel say they ended the attack the minute they saw someone hoist an American flag? The Israeli attack by combined air and naval forces spanned two hours--as long as the attack on Pearl Harbor. The air attack alone lasted approximately 25 minutes: consisting of more than 30 sorties by approximately 12 separate planes using napalm, cannon, and rockets which left 821 holes in the ship. Following the air attack, three Israeli motor torpedo boats torpedoed the ship, causing a 40¬ x 40¬ wide hole in her hull, and machine-gunning firefighters and stretcher-bearers attempting to save their ship and crew. More than 3,000 machine-gun bullet holes were later counted on the Liberty's hull. After the attack was thought to have ended, three life rafts were lowered into the water to rescue the most seriously wounded. The Israeli torpedo boats returned and machine-gunned these life rafts at close range. This was followed by the approach of two large Israeli Army assault helicopters filled with armed commandos carrying what appeared to be explosive satchels (they departed after hovering over the ship for several minutes, making no attempt to communicate).

      11. Did the Liberty send out a distress signal when it was under attack? Throughout the air attack, the Liberty's radio operators found it difficult to transmit a distress signal because the attacking Israeli aircraft jammed all five of the Liberty's American, not Egyptian, emergency radio channels. However, a call for help did reach the U.S. Navy command in the Mediterranean.

      12. What was the American response time? Although American carrier-based air support was only 40 minutes away, help did not reach the USS Liberty for seventeen hours. Navy fighters were launched from the aircraft carriers America and Saratoga while the Liberty was under attack. However, they were quickly recalled by the White House. This is the only instance in American naval history where a rescue mission was cancelled when an American ship was under attack.

      13. Why would Israel have deliberately attacked an American ship? Israel's motive for launching the attack has never been determined with certainty. This is why an impartial investigation is critical. One hypothesis is that Israel intended to sink the ship (with no survivors) and blame Egypt because this might have brought the United States into the 1967 war. Another hypothesis is that the Liberty was gathering intelligence about activities that Israel did not want revealed. Examples might include the massacre of Egyptian prisoners of war that was then occurring in the Sinai, as well as Israel's impending invasion of Syria.

      14. Has the incident been investigated in the past? Some people say that there have been ``thirteen official investigations'' all concluding the attack was a case of mistaken identity. Several were conducted by Israel. Upon examination, however, every one is based upon the conclusions of the original 1967 U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry, which accepted the Israeli version, but which has been exposed and discredited by its chief attorney as a cover-up.

      15. Did the surviving crewmembers testify in the other investigations? In not one of these ``investigations'' were any of the Liberty's surviving crewmembers permitted to publicly testify.

      16. Why would the White House prevent the rescue of an American ship? This is, perhaps, the most disturbing question arising out of Israel's attack. It is why there needs to be a thorough investigation of the actions taken by the White House and the Secretary of Defense. Why did they order the recall of the planes that had been sent to rescue the Liberty? Why did they order that the survivors be silenced and the true facts be withheld from the American people?

      17. What kind of investigation are you calling for? We are calling for a new Court of Inquiry by the Department of the Navy, with congressional oversight, to take public testimony from surviving crewmembers and otherwise thoroughly examine the circumstances of the attack.

      18. Why are you calling for a naval--and not a congressional--investigation? We believe this would remove the inquiry from the political pressures traditionally exerted by special interest groups upon individual congressional offices. Fundraising and election pressures have prevented an honest investigation from being conducted for the past 36 years.

      19. Why is this significant for the American people 36 years later? We have a duty to the crew of the USS Liberty, while the survivors are still alive to testify, and while the perpetrators can be brought to justice. Furthermore, any policies that paralyze our elected leadership to the extent they become unable or unwilling to protect Americans and American interests, endangers not only the safety of all Americans but also the national security of the United States.

      20. Doesn't America have a special relationship with Israel? No nation or people should be above the law; nor should American interests be subordinated to the interests of any foreign nation. Those Israelis responsible for ordering the attack and the resulting murder of American sailors must be held accountable for their actions.
      THE INDEPENDENT COMMISSION OF INQUIRY

      Admiral Thomas H. Moorer, former Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff--The distinguished naval career of Admiral Thomas H. Moorer spanned 41 years. Following his Graduation from the Naval Academy in 1933, he became a Navy pilot, a war hero, and a ship's captain. On December 7, 1941, as a naval aviator, Lieutenant Moorer was one of the first pilots off the ground following the attack on Pearl Harbor. A hero of the Battle of Midway, his numerous decorations for valor during WWII include the Silver Star and Purple Heart. In 1957, Moorer was promoted to the rank of Admiral. In 1965, he broke new ground, becoming the only American admiral to have ever commanded both our Atlantic and Pacific Fleets. He later served as Chief of Naval Operations, and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. The F-14 Tomcat, the Navy's main fighter for many years, was named for Admiral Moorer. Since his retirement in 1974, Admiral Moorer has served on the boards of many American corporations, and is a tireless advocate for American veterans. Working with Admiral Arleigh Burke (CNO), Admiral Moorer was instrumental in establishing the United States Navy Memorial on Pennsylvania Avenue in Washington, D.C. He is currently Chairman of the Liberty Alliance, an organization dedicated to obtaining an honest investigation of Israel's attack on the USS Liberty and the official cover-up that followed.

      General of Marines Raymond G. Davis (MOH), former Assistant Commandant of the Marine Corps--General Davis, one of America's most decorated heroes, passed away on September 3, 2003. As a combat veteran of three wars and a dedicated member of the Marine Corps for 34 years, General Davis received the Congressional Medal of Honor--the nation's highest award for valor--as well as the Navy Cross, two Distinguished Service Medals, two Silver Stars, two Legion of Merit awards, the Bronze Star, and the Purple Heart. General Davis was renowned for his exploits in the Pacific during WWII, as a battalion and regimental commander during the Korean War, and as Commanding General of the 3rd Marine Division in Viet Nam. Attaining four-star rank in 1971, Davis served as Assistant Commandant of the Corps before retiring in 1972. A strong proponent of veterans' issues, General Davis served as chairman of the advisory board to the Korean War Veterans Memorial in Washington, D.C., dedicated in 1995. Prior to his death, General Davis served as Vice Chairman of the Liberty Alliance and was a principal member of the Commission of Inquiry into the cover-up of the attack on the USS Liberty.

      Rear Admiral Merlin Staring, former Judge Advocate General of the Navy--Merlin Staring's distinguished naval career, which spanned nearly 25 years, began as an ensign in December 1941. Among his numerous decorations, Admiral Staring was awarded the Navy Distinguished Service Medal. In June of 1967, Staring served as Staff Legal Officer to Admiral John S. McCain, Jr., the Commander-in-chief, U.S. Naval Forces Europe (CINCUSNAVEUR) in London, which encompassed the Mediterranean, and was assigned to review the record of the Navy Court of Inquiry's investigation into the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty. Admiral Staring later served as the Navy's legal advisor to Secretaries of the Navy Paul R. Ignatius and John H. Chafee. Attaining the rank of Rear Admiral in 1972, he was appointed Judge Advocate General of the Navy--the Navy's chief attorney--a position he held through 1975. Currently, Admiral Staring is Treasurer and a director of the Liberty Alliance.

      Ambassador James Akins, former U.S. Ambassador to Saudi Arabia--James Akins served his country for 25 years as a distinguished member of the diplomatic corps. From 1963-1965, he served as an attache at

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      the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad, and later as the U.S. Ambassador to Saudi Arabia during the Nixon administration. An internationally respected expert on the Middle East and energy issues, Ambassador Akins has been an active and outspoken proponent for a just resolution of the Arab-Israeli conflict. He is a respected and highly sought speaker and analyst on the Middle East peace process as well as Arab politics in general. Author Jeans-Jacques Servan Schreiber called Ambassador Akins ``the westerner who knows the most about the Middle East and has the closest relationship of trust with its leaders.'' Ambassador Akins is a director of the Liberty Alliance.

    • Philip Munger says...

      '' When I brought that fact up to the head of AIPAC in Alaska, when a discussion brought up the 1967 incident, his reply was that every single one of these men suffered from a combination of PTSD and anti-Semitism. >>>>

      You just don't know how to effectively communicate with zionist and Israelis Philip....lol
      If you want to have a satisfactory interaction with them you first put a gun to their head.

      link to nytimes.com

      A MARINE, PISTOL DRAWN, STOPS 3 ISRAELI TANKS
      By RICHARD HALLORAN, Special to the New York Times
      Published: February 3, 1983

      WASHINGTON, Feb. 2— A United States Marine Corps captain drew and loaded his pistol, then climbed aboard an Israeli tank near the Lebanese University Library in Beirut and ordered an Israeli lieutenant colonel to remove his three tanks, the Defense Department reported today.

      It said the lead tank in the Israeli formation stopped a foot in front of the captain, Charles B. Johnson of Company L, at his checkpoint in Beirut at 9 A.M. today. Captain Johnson told the Israelis that they would pass only ''over my dead body.''

      The confrontation, the sixth incident between United States and Israeli forces in recent weeks, prompted Deputy Secretary of State Kenneth W. Dam to summon the Israeli charge d'affaires here, Benjamin Netanyahu, to lodge a protest.

      The State Department spokesman, Alan D. Romberg, said, ''These recurring challenges by the Israeli forces are unacceptable.'' He said Mr. Dam had expressed to Mr. Netanyahu ''the gravity with which we view'' the incident.

      The Israeli Embassy here rejected the allegation in a statement this afternoon. The embassy denied that ''there was any attempt to cross the American lines or to challenge the Marines.'' It said ''there was no such attempt.''

      On Capitol Hill, Secretary of Defense Caspar W. Weinberger told the House Armed Services Committee that Captain Johnson, who is from Rock Island, Ill., would be commended for his ''courageous action'' when confronting the ''threatening moves'' by the Israeli tanks.''

    • Americans have many, many scores to settle with the Israelis and their US Lobby and the US politicians who have protected them.

      link to ifamericansknew.org

      Israel Charged with Systematic Harassment of U.S. Marines

      By Donald Neff
      Former Time Magazine Bureau Chief, Israel
      Washington Report, March 1995

      It was 12 years ago, on March 14, 1983, that the commandant of the Marine Corps sent a highly unusual letter to the secretary of defense expressing frustration and anger at Israel. General R.H. Barrow charged that Israeli troops were deliberately threatening the lives of Marines serving as peacekeepers in Lebanon. There was, he wrote, a systematic pattern of harassment by Israel Defense Forces (IDF) that was resulting in “life-threatening situations, replete with verbal degradation of the officers, their uniform and country.”

  • Pro-Israel billionaires Adelson and Saban muse over buying the New York Times
    • Actually its good that Adelson and Saban are mouthing off.
      Now if we could only get them prime spots on the new pundits shows they would ruin all Frank Lutz's hard work.

      link to independent.co.uk

      The slickness of Israel's spokesmen is rooted in directions set down by the pollster Frank Luntz

      Every one of the 112 pages in the booklet is marked "not for distribution or publication" and it is easy to see why. The Luntz report, officially entitled "The Israel project's 2009 Global Language Dictionary, was leaked almost immediately to Newsweek Online, but its true importance has seldom been appreciated. It should be required reading for everybody, especially journalists, interested in any aspect of Israeli policy because of its "dos and don'ts" for Israeli spokesmen.

      These are highly illuminating about the gap between what Israeli officials and politicians really believe, and what they say, the latter shaped in minute detail by polling to determine what Americans want to hear. Certainly, no journalist interviewing an Israeli spokesman should do so without reading this preview of many of the themes and phrases employed by Mr Regev and his colleagues.

      The booklet is full of meaty advice about how they should shape their answers for different audiences. For example, the study says that "Americans agree that Israel 'has a right to defensible borders'. But it does you no good to define exactly what those borders should be. Avoid talking about borders in terms of pre- or post-1967, because it only serves to remind Americans of Israel's military history. Particularly on the left this does you harm. For instance, support for Israel's right to defensible borders drops from a heady 89 per cent to under 60 per cent when you talk about it in terms of 1967."

      How about the right of return for Palestinian refugees who were expelled or fled in 1948 and in the following years, and who are not allowed to go back to their homes? Here Dr Luntz has subtle advice for spokesmen, saying that "the right of return is a tough issue for Israelis to communicate
      effectively because much of Israeli language sounds like the 'separate but equal' words of the 1950s segregationists and the 1980s advocates of Apartheid. The fact is, Americans don't like, don't believe and don't accept the concept of 'separate but equal'."

      So how should spokesmen deal with what the booklet admits is a tough question? They should call it a "demand", on the grounds that Americans don't like people who make demands. "Then say 'Palestinians aren't content with their own state. Now they're demanding territory inside Israel'." Other suggestions for an effective Israeli response include saying that the right of return might become part of a final settlement "at some point in the future".

      Video: The latest from Gaza
      Dr Luntz notes that Americans as a whole are fearful of mass immigration into the US, so mention of "mass Palestinian immigration" into Israel will not go down well with them. If nothing else works, say that the return of Palestinians would "derail the effort to achieve peace".

      The Luntz report was written in the aftermath of Operation Cast Lead in December 2008 and January 2009, when 1,387 Palestinians and nine Israelis were killed.

      There is a whole chapter on "isolating Iran-backed Hamas as an obstacle to peace". Unfortunately, come the current Operation Protective Edge, which began on 6 July, there was a problem for Israeli propagandists because Hamas had quarrelled with Iran over the war in Syria and had no contact with Tehran. Friendly relations have been resumed only in the past few days – thanks to the Israeli invasion.

      Frank Luntz Much of Dr Luntz's advice is about the tone and presentation of the Israeli case. He says it is absolutely crucial to exude empathy for Palestinians: "Persuadables [sic] won't care how much you know until they know how much you care. Show Empathy for BOTH sides!" This may explain why a number of Israeli spokesman are almost lachrymose about the plight of Palestinians being pounded by Israeli bombs and shells.

      In a sentence in bold type, underlined and with capitalisation, Dr Luntz says that Israeli spokesmen or political leaders must never, ever justify "the deliberate slaughter of innocent women and children" and they must aggressively challenge those who accuse Israel of such a crime. Israeli spokesmen struggled to be true to this prescription when 16 Palestinians were killed in a UN shelter in Gaza last Thursday.

      There is a list of words and phrases to be used and a list of those to be avoided. Schmaltz is at a premium: "The best way, the only way, to achieve lasting peace is to achieve mutual respect." Above all, Israel's desire for peace with the Palestinians should be emphasised at all times because this what Americans overwhelmingly want to happen. But any pressure on Israel to actually make peace can be reduced by saying "one step at a time, one day at a time", which will be accepted as "a commonsense approach to the land-for-peace equation".

      Dr Luntz cites as an example of an "effective Israeli sound bite" one which reads: "I particularly want to reach out to Palestinian mothers who have lost their children. No parent should have to bury their child."

      The study admits that the Israeli government does not really want a two-state solution, but says this should be masked because 78 per cent of Americans do. Hopes for the economic betterment of Palestinians should be emphasised.

    • hophmi
      November 12, 2014, 12:22 pm

      Where I come from, referring to people as Neanderthals, particularly when they’re all from the same ethnic group, is extraordinarily racist.
      >>>>>>

      Where are you from btw? ......where I'm from a Neanderthal is a Neanderthal no matter what ethnic group he's in.

      And 'extraordinarily racist'?....really?...extraordinarily?

      Hum.......let me think of a trio I can call Neanderthals that aren't Jewish.......how about McCain, Cruz and Graham?

      Does that make you happy?

    • We don't have a government, we have a system of taxpayer provided politicians and lawyers for legalized crime.

      ''Meet the woman JPMorgan Chase paid one of the largest fines in American history to keep from talking''

      By Matt Taibbi | November 6, 2014

      She tried to stay quiet, she really did. But after eight years of keeping a
      heavy secret, the day came when Alayne Fleischmann couldn't take it anymore.

      "It was like watching an old lady get mugged on the street," she says. "I
      thought, 'I can't sit by any longer.'"

      Fleischmann is a tall, thin, quick-witted securities lawyer in her late
      thirties, with long blond hair, pale-blue eyes and an infectious sense of
      humor that has survived some very tough times. She's had to struggle to find
      work despite some striking skills and qualifications, a common symptom of a
      not-so-common condition called being a whistle-blower.

      Fleischmann is the central witness in one of the biggest cases of
      white-collar crime in American history, possessing secrets that JPMorgan
      Chase CEO Jamie Dimon late last year paid $9 billion (not $13 billion as
      regularly reported – more on that later) to keep the public from hearing.

      Back in 2006, as a deal manager at the gigantic bank, Fleischmann first
      witnessed, then tried to stop, what she describes as "massive criminal
      securities fraud" in the bank's mortgage operations.

      Thanks to a confidentiality agreement, she's kept her mouth shut since then.
      "My closest family and friends don't know what I've been living with," she
      says. "Even my brother will only find out for the first time when he sees
      this interview."

      Six years after the crisis that cratered the global economy, it's not
      exactly news that the country's biggest banks stole on a grand scale. That's
      why the more important part of Fleischmann's story is in the pains Chase and
      the Justice Department took to silence her

      Read more:
      link to rollingstone.com
      Follow us: @rollingstone on Twitter | RollingStone on Facebook

    • Oh, they will wake up eventually.
      When they have the proverbial nothing left to lose.
      BWTTGASO

    • The first thing that popped in my mind when I saw this picture was three neanderthals .

  • What is the vision of Jews who want to replace Al Aqsa mosque with temple?
  • Dempsey bucks Obama line by praising Israelis for Gaza tactics
    • Dempsey and some others I imagine are nervous about the US part in Israel's Gaza slaughter.
      "IF' the ICC were involved and 'fully' involved the 'enabling' by the US might be on the table also.
      Read the statutes carefully---those who assist or provide material support for war crimes are also guilty...that would be the US.

  • Unionizing solidarity with Palestine: Support grows for BDS among grassroots labor movement
    • I think featuring our new US Zionist ruling elite on msm cable news for all Americans to see and hear might wake them up to the Israel Fifth Column.
      Read the comments on the WP article.

      Billionaires Adelson and Saban, at odds in campaigns, unite on Israel and hit Obama - The Washington Post -

      link to washingtonpost.com...

      "The billionaire political kingmakers planning to bankroll much of the 2016 presidential campaign spoke out together on Sunday with blunt warnings on key issues for their respective parties. Haim Saban, a media mogul and close Democratic ally of Hillary Rodham Clinton, criticized President Obama’s outreach to Iran, declaring that “we’ve shown too many carrots and a very small stick.”"

      "Adelson, 81, and Saban, 70, have gained enormous political power in the new era of super PACs and unlimited contributions, and both made it clear during a rare joint appearance Sunday before an audience of several hundred Israeli Americans that they intend to assert that power during the next presidential campaign and beyond with policy demands for their candidates. In particular, they vowed to press both sides for a more hawkish approach to the Middle East."

      Appearing before a new group called the Israeli American Council, both men issued a call for unity when it comes to support for the Jewish state, reminding all prospective presidential candidates of the primacy of the U.S.-Israel relationship. And they agreed that Obama and his administration have not been tough enough in protecting Israel’s interests."

      Saban said that he thinks Clinton would repair the relationship and that he has told her he would spend “whatever it takes” to propel her into the White House. That includes giving millions of dollars to Priorities USA, a super PAC that helped Obama in 2012 and is revving up to aid Clinton in 2016."

      "Onstage, Shawn Evenhaim, the national chairman of the Israeli American Council, posed provocative questions to both billionaires. Adelson sat to Evenhaim’s right, Saban to his left — although, as Saban joked, “there’s no right or left when it comes to Israel.”"

      "A reminder of Adelson and Saban’s outsize influence in presidential politics came when Evenhaim wrapped up Sunday’s event. “After the election in 2016,” he told them, “one of you will get me a private tour of the White House.”"

      Major Democratic Donor: Israel Should "Bomb The Daylights" Out Of Iran - link to buzzfeed.com...

      "Major Democratic donor Haim Saban said on Sunday that if he were running Israel he would “bomb the living daylights” out of Iran if the current nuclear negotiations produce a bad deal for Israel.
      >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

      *Glenn Greenwald: So much to say about this, but ultimately, it all speaks for itself:... link to twitter.com...
      Chemi Shalev: Saban says he's "tried everything" to try to influence anti-Israel reporting in newspapers "including threats"

      *MJ (Mike) Rosenberg: After watching Bernie Sanders defending Israel's slaughter of innocents in Gaza, I have no use for him. link to youtube.com...

      *David Sheen: "Adelson...said Israel wouldn't be able to survive as a democracy...adding...democracy...isn't mentioned in the Torah . link to twitter.com...

  • Root cause of current crisis is Israeli government effort since 1967 to transform East Jerusalem into a Jewish city
    • The Israeli Fifth Column----you going to have to get rid of them to get Israel out of the US.

      link to hollywoodreporter.com

      Billionaire mogul and master fundraiser Haim Saban brought the A-lists of Hollywood and tech together Thursday at the Beverly Hilton to raise $34 million for the Friends of the Israeli Defense Forces.

      Even by the standards of the always well-supported annual FIDF events, this year's dinner raised a remarkable amount for a single fundraising event, with major support from Hollywood moguls and studios execs. Interest has run higher than in past years because of Israel's recent struggle with Hamas terrorism in Gaza.

      A tearful Saban told the crowd of more than 1,200 attendees that he discouraged anonymous donations this year because it was important for supporters to "stand with Israel publicly, vocally and very loudly."

      Notable donations made at the event included $10 million from Larry Ellison, co-founder and chairman of Oracle; $5 million from top Republican fundraisers Sheldon and Miriam Adelson (who received a standing ovation from the liberal Westside crowd); $5.2 million from brothers Maurice and Paul Marciano of Guess Jeans; $3.6 million from Saban and wife Cheryl; $2 million from Steve Tisch, chairman and executive vp of the New York Giants; $1 million from Leo David, founder of the Western Region of the FIDF; and $1.6 million from The Helmsley Charitable Trust. In addition, first-time attendees and donors Michael and Susan Dell gave $1.8 million to fundIMPACT! educational scholarship programs.

      Other co-chairs and supporters included Marvel Studios founder and former CEO Avi Arad, Electus founder Ben Silverman, Alan Horn and wife Cindy, Barry Meyer, Israeli billionaire Vivi Nevo, Barbra Streisand, developer and Los Angeles Police Commission president Steve Soboroff, Maker Studios CEO Ynon Kreiz, David Foster, Pamela Anderson, Chris Tucker, Jordan Farmar and Spencer Hawes.

      “This event is always one of the most inspiring and emotional evenings of the year,” said Streisand. “The soldiers of the IDF deserve our utmost respect and gratitude for all that they sacrifice to protect Israel, the only democratic state in the region.”

      The Friends of the Israeli Defense Forces are, in fact, a unique organization with chapters across the United States. Under Saban’s longtime patronage, the western region chapter’s annual fundraiser for the group has become a multimillion-dollar affair. The funds go to provide educational, cultural and recreational opportunities for serving IDF personnel, as well as to support the families of fallen soldiers and to injured veterans. The group also helps IDF members who are alone in Israel to maintain contact with their families in other countries...."

  • The hidden documents that reveal the true borders of Israel and Palestine (Updated)
    • ''Start a campaign in which Americans make a pledge to NEVER VOTE FOR A POLITICIAN WHO RECEIVES MONEY FROM AIPAC or other Zionist organisations. What do you think? .......David Gerald Fincham

      Much simpler to just say --and tell the politicians---you wont vote for any politician that supports Israel,--------- any aid to Israel, any weapons to Israel, any 'sharing' of US Intel or tech with Israel', any favoritism in trade or visas for Israel, any vetoing of UN Res on Israel.

      You cant usually tell what is pro Israel Pac money to politicians because they disguise their many Pacs with misleading names like Green River Citizens and etc. to cover their tracks.
      The fact they 'hide' the pro Israel aspect should tell you something.

      Here's a partial listing of their Pacs, but this doesn't show everything. Jewish orgs in each state regularly form pacs for a certain campaign to finance a certain politician and then disband it afterward and then will form a different one for another campaign.

      link to opensecrets.org

    • They (Israel) would fight even Nato to keep it. Your idea is a non-starter. .....David Gerald Fincham
      >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

      LOL...Go ahead, that's one way to end the problem.

      Zionist National Anthem

      ♫♫ .....Suicide is painless
      it brings on many changes....
      The game of life is hard to play
      I'm gonna lose it anyway
      The losing card I'll someday lay
      so this is all I have to say.....♫♫

    • Fincham
      October 25, 2014, 6:00 pm

      American: I did not mention the West Bank settlements in my article. Please read it more carefully
      >>>>>>>>>>>>

      I wasn't referencing your article . I was referencing your statements in your comments.

      You made the following statements about illegal settlements and settlers:

      #- ""The citizens of Israel living within the stolen land are not illegal aliens living in Palestine. They have broken no laws. They are living in territory which once was part of Palestine, was indeed stolen from Palestine, but has been an integral part of Israel for 66 years. Human rights trump the rights of states. Those citizens have a right to continue their lives in the security of their homes and to not have their citizenship taken away from them -

      # "They cannot legally be driven from their homes, nor can a piece of territory legally be transferred from one sovereignty to another without the agreement of a majority of its residents.'

      You only ' differentiated' the West Bank settlement from the 'fully integrated settements" this way:

      #"My personal view is that if there are Israeli settlers in the West Bank living at peace with their neighbours, with good legal title to their land, and have been there some years and intend to make it their permanent home, and are willing to become Palestinian citizens, then they have acquired at least a moral right to remain, and it would be of benefit to the State of Palestine if they did.''

      The FACT remains that the West Bank settlers are illegal under the law. Period.
      If the West bank was returned to Palestine it would be up to Palestine--not Israel, not the WB settlers whether they could stay or not.
      You have made some ridiculous statements 'as if they were fact.' Although you did qualify the one on the WB as 'your opinion.'

      Here's what you have done--you did the 'bad Israel' thing----then you did the 'but it cant be undone' thing.

      Complete with the ' human rights of the illegal Israeli Jews'.
      And you say basically these Jewish human rights trump whatever human rights the Palestine had in 1948 to the present.
      And you even call it a 'moral right'.
      And you magnanimously suggest a piece of the desert be given Palestines them as compensation.

      Furthermore you say..."I say to those commenters: your heart is in the right place, but you have lost your heads. Think it through. The two states have to agree their mutual border. The UN does not have authority to impose a solution.""

      LOL ......if the UN doesn't have the authority to say where Israel's borders---- then it didn't have the right to partition Palestine and set out the borders in 1948 either.

      Classic liberal Zionist pilpul.
      Typical convoluted pseudo rationalizing.

    • Fincham
      October 25, 2014, 6:00 pm

      American: I did not mention the West Bank settlements in my article. Please read it more carefully
      >>>>>>>>>>>>

      I wasn't referencing your article . I was referencing your statements in your comments.

      You made the following statements about illegal settlements and settlers:

      #- ""The citizens of Israel living within the stolen land are not illegal aliens living in Palestine. They have broken no laws. They are living in territory which once was part of Palestine, was indeed stolen from Palestine, but has been an integral part of Israel for 66 years. Human rights trump the rights of states. Those citizens have a right to continue their lives in the security of their homes and to not have their citizenship taken away from them -

      # "They cannot legally be driven from their homes, nor can a piece of territory legally be transferred from one sovereignty to another without the agreement of a majority of its residents.'

      You only ' differentiated' the West Bank settlement from the 'fully integrated settements" this way:

      #"My personal view is that if there are Israeli settlers in the West Bank living at peace with their neighbours, with good legal title to their land, and have been there some years and intend to make it their permanent home, and are willing to become Palestinian citizens, then they have acquired at least a moral right to remain, and it would be of benefit to the State of Palestine if they did.''

      The FACT remains that the West Bank settlers are illegal under the law. Period.
      If the West bank was returned to Palestine it would be up to Palestine--not Israel, not the WB settlers whether they could stay or not.
      You have made some ridiculous statements 'as if they were fact.' Although you did qualify the one on the WB as 'your opinion.'

      Here's what you have done--you did the 'bad Israel' thing----then you did the 'but it cant be undone' thing.

      Complete with the ' human rights of the illegal Israeli Jews'.
      And you say basically these Jewish human rights trump whatever human rights the Palestine had in 1948 to the present.
      And you even call it a 'moral right'.
      And you magnanimously suggest a piece of the desert be given Palestines them as compensation.

      Classic liberal Zionist pilpul. We've heard it a thousand times.
      So I will just borrow a bit of a movie title....We know Who (and What) You are and We Know What You Did....and are still doing.

    • David Gerald Fincham
      October 24, 2014, 11:42 am

      I couldn’t disagree more.

      The State of Palestine has never claimed sovereignty over the stolen land. It has never had effective sovereignty over that land.>>>>>

      Please enough of the pilpul.
      It doesn't matter whether you agree or not.
      You stated the illegal settlements aren't reversible---they clearly are reversible under the law... "If'..... International law was ever applied to the situation.
      Regurgitating what 'you' want to happen as an answer is not a legitimate argument to our comments on this. .

    • avid Gerald Fincham
      October 23, 2014, 6:51 pm

      “The fact that GoI has “fully integrated” Palestinian land means nothing about who has a moral and legal claim on it.”

      Yes it does. The Israeli citizens living in the “fully integrated land” have the same human rights as every one else. It is not their fault that the Israeli government took that land from another people 66 years ago. They cannot legally be driven from their homes, nor can a piece of territory legally be transferred from one sovereignty to another without the agreement of a majority of its residents.''

      Well you did fine until you got to that.
      First you are ignoring International Law re "illegal settlers" and going off into ' human rights' of illegal settlers----supposedly because' it wasn't their fault' they went to live on stolen land.

      I think you would find that if International Law was implemented thru the ICC the human rights of 'the Palestine victims of Israeli violations' of International law would trump the illegal settlers human rights.

      Just a sampling of the many legal Advisory Opinions issued :

      The International Court of Justice says these settlements are illegal in a 2004 advisory opinion.
      "Summary of the Advisory Opinion of 9 July 2004". International Court of Justice. 9 July 2004. link to icj-cij.org

      The United Nations has repeatedly upheld the view that Israel's construction of settlements constitutes a violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention.

      Resolution 465 (1980)
      Adopted by the Security Council at its 2203rd meeting
      on 1 March 1980
      link to domino.un.org

      At present, the view of the international community, as reflected in numerous UN resolutions, regards the building and existence of Israeli settlements in the West Bank, East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights as a violation of international law. UN Security Council Resolution 446 refers to the Fourth Geneva Convention as the applicable international legal instrument, and calls upon Israel to desist from transferring its own population into the territories or changing their demographic makeup. The reconvened Conference of the High Contracting Parties to the Geneva Conventions has declared the settlements illegal[83] as has the primary judicial organ of the UN, the International Court of Justice.
      link to icj-cij.org

      In late January 2013 a report drafted by three justices, presided over by Christine Chanet, and issued by the United Nations Human Rights Council declared that Jewish settlements constituted a creeping annexation based on multiple violations of the Geneva Conventions and international law, and stated that if Palestine ratified the Rome Accord, Israel could be tried for “gross violations of human rights law and serious violations of international humanitarian law.'
      link to nytimes.com

      I have seen enough claims of the 'irreversibly' of the illegal settlements by liberal zionist to choke a hog.
      Usually described as 'unthinkable' !--- 'would never happen'!--- a travesty'!-- and all seemingly predicated on the people that would be moved off the Palestine land are Jews who should be given special exemptions from International Law.
      So please explain why you think the settlements which are recognized by all legal experts and even by the US 'officially' I might add, would not be 'reversible' and the Jewish settlers transferred into Israel proper and land they occupy which formerly 'legally' belonged to Palestines returned to them, if so declared by the ICC based on International law.

    • I think you mean Israel's 'semi-admittance' for the sake of expediency, of the borders that the UN Res 181 had set out.
      When they declared their state on the basis of UN 181 they 'accepted' those borders although as we all know they claim 'they' didn't declare any borders.
      But what they claim is actually beside the point. Israel never had a legal right to declare any borders, they had to accept the UN boundaries in UN 181 if they wanted it to be approved.

      I also think if you review all the legal opinions on this you find the Israeli nonsense hasn't really escaped the international lawyers.
      It definitely hasn't escaped the UN in all their legal Advisory Opinions issued on the Israeli settlements.

  • The UN can bring peace to Jerusalem by moving its headquarters there
    • ''Does anyone have a better idea?''

      Yes.
      Quit writing as if Israel has any intention of allowing any peace and that plunking the UN down in Jerusalem is a magic wand that would bring that about.

      It might interest people to know that the nazi zio bots of the Jerusalem Summit have suggested the the same thing.........link to jerusalemsummit.org;

  • David Brooks's romance of community
    • ''....audience didn’t want to be accused of anti Semitism “for even sensing that Brooks’ disclosure had significance” and because a “kind of post patriotic, post national sensibility that regards questions of ‘allegiance to country’ as kind of quaint.” I see it as an emperor’s new clothes moment. [..] well here it is before our eyes, and everyone is stunned then turns away.''........

      Canard 1.12
      A canard that Jews are more loyal to world Jewry than to their own country. Since the establishment of the state of Israel, this canard has taken the form of accusations that Jewish citizens of countries such as the United States are more loyal to Israel than to their home country.[52]

      Someone explain it to me please .
      Are Jews like Brooks mentally ill?
      Are the Jewish followers blind?
      Do they not see the canard is no longer a canard, that this lack of loyalty to their host country has not only come out in the USA, it is bragged about and pushed by their leadership and elite?
      Deranged...totally deranged.

    • A MESSAGE FROM AIPAC

      - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

      The leaders you elect tomorrow will be affecting decisions in Washington this
      winter.

      You can ensure from day one, they are ready to tackle the most pressing
      challenges facing the U.S. and Israel, from the growing threats of a nuclear Iran
      to the peace process and more.

      Dear Friend of Israel,

      I have no way of knowing who you will vote for tomorrow. I don’t know whether
      you’ll vote Democrat, Republican or Independent.

      But one thing I am confident in is this:

      You want every leader you elect to share your support for a strong U.S. - Israel
      friendship, because helping ensure Israel's security is just as important as any
      other issue this election.

      That’s why I'm writing to ask you to make a choice now that will be as important
      as the one you will make tomorrow.
      Join AIPAC

  • Why are liberal Zionists embracing Matti Friedman's Islamophobia?
    • Cant believe anyone following I/P for any years didn't catch on to AP long ago.
      AP has always been slanted for Israel.
      Cant believe any careful reader hasn't caught onto AP's dishonesty period.
      AP's way of doing it's slants is not to 'totally lie about the facts"...its a little slicker than that----what AP does is headline their reports where the headline of the article *doesn't match the content*. So for readers who 'skim' papers the headline becomes a fact--when its not.

  • 'Exalted anti-Zionists' are now driving the conversation
    • '' Chomsky speaking at the U.N. and taking issue with the exalted anti-Zionists; he says the only one-state outcome is going to be a Greater neocolonial Israel. -''>>>>

      On this I agree with Chomsky.
      The One State would start out with an already entrenched Jewish Rule.
      And as we have found out in the USA democracy, voting and elections don't guarantee you a damn thing because the entrenched by design system only gives you a choice of the chocolate or vanilla flavors in your entrenched.

  • Al Aqsa mosque is closed off for first time in 47 years as tensions flare
    • Looks like since Israel cant get its Iran WWIII started they have decide to go for a apocalyptic showdown with all of Islam.
      I imagine the ME Arab street is watching this and getting hot.

      Is there anyone anywhere Israel hasnt pissed off?

  • 'Chickenshit' attack enrages Netanyahu and lobby, but will it stir voters against Obama?
    • '' The problem with the argument that Obama is a political coward—which at one level, as illustrated in my post yesterday, I obviously share—is that it doesn't address the other other level, which creates a terrible dilemma: it isn't Obama that would suffer political consequences if he exercised real pressure on Israel, but the rest of us.
      Meaning that as long as a large majority of the American Jewish community will not support serious U.S. pressures on Israel, the electoral consequences of defying that community--i.e. losing Jewish money and votes--could be an even stronger Republican majority in Congress, for that matter even in a close Presidential election. And that's not an Obama disaster, it's our disaster.''......Slater

      Trying to get to the bottom of Slater once again.

      1) Obama is a coward because he wont exercise real pressure on Israel.
      2) He wont exercise that pressure because the Dems would lose Jewish money and votes and that would be bad for America.
      3) And the Dems would lose that money and vote because the bulk of the Jewish community won't support stronger pressure on Israel.
      4) And we would get Republican control of government which would be bad for Americans (or Jews).

      So therefore US Isr policy and US elections are all up to the Jews.
      And there will be 'consequences' to Americans in the form of the GOP for 'defying' the Jewish community.
      Do I have this right?
      Er.....so he's saying American democracy has a ''Jewish problem" that only Jews can solve?

      Slater made has made this same or similar argument before when he said don't pressure the Dems on Israel or we might get dastardly republicans who would starve all America's little children.

      [....]

    • JEN PSAKI: We remain fully and firmly committed to Israel’s security -

      AMERICANS: Why?

      JEN PSAKI: Because they are a valuable US ally.

      AMERICANS: Can you enumerate for us what Israel provides the US as an ally that is valuable to the US ?

      JEN PSAKI: We share intelligence in our fight against terrorism.

      AMERICANS: Excuse me, but we were told it is the US NSA that gives Israel all the intelligence the US collects. Does Israel have the equivalent of a NSA whose intell they give to the US?

      JEN PSAKI: We also cooperate on military defense.

      AMERICAN: Israeli donates to US military defense?

      JEN PSAKI: We also share the same values on democracy and promoting democracy and keeping peace in the ME.

      AMERICANS: Could you point to some examples of joint efforts on that? Would that be Egypt or Saudi or Syria or Iraq?

      JEN PSAKI: I'm sorry I am not understanding your questions.

      AMERICANS: You understand them just fine, that's why you aren't answering them.

  • 'Take your Ebola ass and get out': L.A. confrontation highlights relationship between Zionism and anti-black racism
    • @bornajoo

      '' we all know the origin of their mental sickness and disturbing behaviour. ''

      I am not even going to give them that out.

      Why?....because there are other Jews ( and many people in the world) who were actual victims who don't turn into frothing at the mouth zionist or racist and do not take that attitude.

      So the difference here is in the individuals 'characters' .

      They are bad actors. And would be just as 'bad' for any other reason they could seize on.

    • '' But I completely believe that the combined senses, among many Zionists, of [1] having historically been oppressed and being victims, [2] feeling angry at and hurt by anti-Zionism which feels to them like a re-play of the antisemitism of old, [3] being completely ignorant of the racism inherent in Zionism and the whole horrible story summed up in the single word “Nakba”, and [4] now feeling powerful, even feeling above the law, above “civility” — these combined senses have led the Zionists to a triumphalist racialism which is oppressive of others and hurled around “as of right” and without regard for how it reflects on (for example) the so-called Jewish People, in a way which is highly offensive to me as a human being, never mind any Jewish ancestry. ''......pabelmont

      As the official hard ass here let me say that offering psychological reasons or excuses for the Zionist attitudes is 'not helpful'. ..as the StateDept says.
      Why?...because it only plays into and bolsters all the psychological victim excuses and rationals Israel and zionism use to justify what they do.
      You give them one inch of it and they will turn it into a mile.
      You can offer them psychological counseling ' after' they are locked down and no longer a danger to others.

      Every time I hear the psychological explanation for radical zionist I think of serial killer Ted Bundy's legal defense claiming that he killed all those women because' he felt' his mother rejected him and didn't love him enough so he shouldn't get the death penalty because he was 'emotionally damaged' .

  • BDS Victories: Online retailer drops Ahava; Kuwait boycotts companies with settlement ties
    • Why not start a movement to boycott all Israel products not just the settlements.
      Israel is responsible for the settlements.

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