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  • Goldberg tries to police view that Israel's actions fuel anti-Semitism
    • BTW......the US is bombing Syria right now.

    • "all we see right now coming out of Syria and Iraq are these beheadings … that just captures the public..... of course we’re going to associate that with the Muslim religion and Islam in general." --

      Susan Crabtree, Washington Examiner link to

    • @ ritzl

      If I say 'Zionism' to people most of them have no idea what I am talking about. Everyone knows Jews and everyone knows Israel is a Jewish State. But unless they are followers of I/P and Isr or have researched /explored the history and conflict chances are they never heard of Zionism.

      And trying to avoid the wrong phrases or language like 'The Jews or the' Jewish community is just about impossible even when you have a Phd in Zionism because the Zionist constantly make it overlap with their Jews claim and then the anti zio side even makes it over lap langauge wise in 'the Jewish community' really no matter how much you know , discussing Israel and Jews is like trying to walk thru a cow pasture without stepping in any cowpies---you are inadvertently going to step in some shit now and then..

    • Me too....

      My thought when reading they were wrapped in Israeli flags is the a-s protestors must be jewish...cant imagine non jewish German wrapping themselves in the Israeli flag to protest a-s.
      Maybe someone can find more exact coverage of this.
      Cause wrapping yourself in the Israeli flag to protest a-s has to be the dumbest thing I've heard of.

    • Is this the same guy that was attacked before or a different one?
      Seen several reports of Jews being attacked by Jews in England for criticizing Israel.

  • Homegrown jihadis and the limits of the Israel lobby
    • '' When it comes to the embargo, I would have to study it more closely but my takeaway has always been that the US was more interested in keeping Israel as a buffer against revolutionary nationalism, and called OPEC’s bluff.
      More importantly, other oil companies were negotiating with OPEC regarding prices, and OPEC balked (meaning there were other players involved).......maggiepie

      O.K. I am determined to be nice and not browbeat you cause its bad to bully a girl.
      So I'm just going to say educate yourself with real facts and history and lay off where ever you are getting the hasbara from.

      link to

      Department of State
      Office of the Historian
      Oil Embargo, 1973–1974
      During the 1973 Arab-Israeli War, Arab members of the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) imposed an embargo against the United States in retaliation for the U.S. decision to re-supply the Israeli military and to gain leverage in the post-war peace negotiations. Arab OPEC members also extended the embargo to other countries that supported Israel including the Netherlands, Portugal, and South Africa. The embargo both banned petroleum exports to the targeted nations and introduced cuts in oil production. Several years of negotiations between oil-producing nations and oil companies had already destabilized a decades-old pricing system, which exacerbated the embargo’s effects.

      The onset of the embargo contributed to an upward spiral in oil prices with global implications. The price of oil per barrel first doubled, then quadrupled, imposing skyrocketing costs on consumers and structural challenges to the stability of whole national economies. Since the embargo coincided with a devaluation of the dollar, a global recession seemed imminent. U.S. allies in Europe and Japan had stockpiled oil supplies, and thereby secured for themselves a short-term cushion, but the long-term possibility of high oil prices and recession precipitated a rift within the Atlantic Alliance. European nations and Japan found themselves in the uncomfortable position of needing U.S. assistance to secure energy sources, even as they sought to disassociate themselves from U.S. Middle East policy. The United States, which faced a growing dependence on oil consumption and dwindling domestic reserves, found itself more reliant on imported oil than ever before, having to negotiate an end to the embargo under harsh domestic economic circumstances that served to diminish its international leverage. To complicate matters, the embargo’s organizers linked its end to successful U.S. efforts to bring about peace between Israel and its Arab neighbors
      President Nixon and Secretary of State Henry Kissinger recognized the constraints inherent in peace talks to end the war that were coupled with negotiations with Arab OPEC members to end the embargo and increase production. But they also recognized the linkage between the issues in the minds of Arab leaders. The Nixon administration began parallel negotiations with key oil producers to end the embargo, and with Egypt, Syria, and Israel to arrange an Israeli pullout from the Sinai and the Golan Heights. Initial discussions between Kissinger and Arab leaders began in November 1973 and culminated with the First Egyptian-Israeli Disengagement Agreement on January 18, 1974. Though a finalized peace deal failed to materialize, the prospect of a negotiated end to hostilities between Israel and Syria proved sufficient to convince the relevant parties to lift the embargo in March 1974.

      The embargo laid bare one of the foremost challenges confronting U.S. policy in the Middle East, that of balancing the contradictory demands of unflinching support for Israel and the preservation of close ties to the Arab oil-producing monarchies. The strains on U.S. bilateral relations with Saudi Arabia revealed the difficulty of reconciling those demands. The U.S. response to the events of 1973–1974 also clarified the need to reconcile U.S. support for Israel to counterbalance Soviet influence in the Arab world with both foreign and domestic economic policies.

      The full impact of the embargo, including high inflation and stagnation in oil importers, resulted from a complex set of factors beyond the proximate actions taken by the Arab members of OPEC. The declining leverage of the U.S. and European oil corporations (the “Seven Sisters”) that had hitherto stabilized the global oil market, the erosion of excess capacity of East Texas oil fields, and the recent decision to allow the U.S. dollar to float freely in the international exchange all played a role in exacerbating the crisis. Once the broader impact of these factors set in throughout the United States, it triggered new measures beyond the April and November 1973 efforts.

      Being embargoed because of Israel’s war cost US ‘business’ billions and cost the world trillions.

      FURTHERMORE...... a few examples of --tell us again how capitalist US supports Israel cause there is profit for them in it?

      ''With the oil embargo in place, the industrial governments of the world in some way altered their foreign policy regarding the Arab-Israeli conflict and after the use of the Arab oil weapon. These included European countries such as the UK who decided to refuse to allow the United States to use British bases in the UK and in Cyprus to airlift resupplies to Israel along with the rest of the members of the European Community''

      *Pay attention maggie pie....the European (and world) reaction to the US supporting Israel put some sever kinks in its “imperial spread” and for the capitalist to profit abroad they need that US imperial umbrella. The kinks in the dumb capitalist support for Israel has cost them some money—that must be why they do it they don’t want to make more money. lol

      ''A year after the start of the 1973 oil embargo, the nonaligned bloc in the United Nations passed a resolution demanding the creation of a "New International Economic Order" in which resources, trade, and markets would be distributed more equitably, with the local populations of nations within the global South receiving a greater share of benefits derived from the exploitation of southern resources, and greater respect for the right to self-directed development in the South be afforded by the North.

      *Hello again maggie pie and other imperial capitalism not the Lobby! do realize don’t you that that UN resolutions brought BRICS in relation to US support of Israel meant US capitalist and the US would have a harder time ‘exploiting’ other countries for their own profit. So explain to us how it was in US capitalism interest to support Israel which brought on this chain of events? Hummm?

      Now Chomskites take your highlighter pen and highlight each sentence/event/blowback that shows US support for Israel was in US interest or US capitalist interest---also highlight each sentence that shows the US depended on Israel to prevent Arab nationalism and explain to us how supporting Israel attacks on Arabs helped keep Arab nationalism down..rotflmao---also why if the US was so dependent Arab oil it pissed them off by shipping Israel weapons and giving them a 2 billon grant the week after the '73 war started.
      Also explain to us how supporting and arming pissant little Israel as a 'deterrent' to Soviet popularity and influence among Arab countries was going to turn those Arab countries away from the Soviet Union and toward the US.
      If you want to stick to these claims then you need to say that US leaders including the imperial capitalist were so stupid they couldnt even figure out how to open their own car door.
      Or you could always reform and admit the truth that politicians make policy decisions based on politics 99% of the time and Israel is a 'domestic political consideration'' every former US President has said in their Presidential Library papers----- and they will let the capitalist and US main street and everyone else take the hits and loses to avoid political attacks that could damage them and their parties ambitions.

      Come on you can do it crank up the Chomskey imperial" jingos, "...get that one reason, 'imperialism fits every event' record going.
      All people and mean all, including Israel critics, that think the US has One Motive for e.v.e.r.y.t.h.i.n.g it does are so shallow they could drown in a saucer.
      What the US DOES for Israel and often does TO other countries FOR Israel is because of the Lobby. Period
      Once in a while the Lobby doesnt get what it wants like a US attack on Iran---Saudi wants one too but neither have gotten it ..yet.
      But the Lobby pursues what it wants thru every WH adm and what one president wont capitulate on to our AIPAC congress another might.

    • @ maggie,

      I made this comment 'only after' I researched many of your previous writings and "positions" ---like this one which you wrote in 2010 and is a laundry list of all the things the "Lobby' forced the US to do and even uses W&M for authority:

      link to

      So your 'switcharoo' says more about you than my critique says about me.

      The reason you get called out by those like me on serving the lobby koolaide is because intentionally or unintentionally redirecting the focus from the Lobby to the ' capitalist and imperial state motives is just that----moving the target that needs to be hit. So I dont care what kind of activist you are if what you do is throwing the dogs off the scent.

      No one here is stupid enough to believe the Lobby 'runs everything'.

      Neither is anyone here stupid enough to believe that the CEO's of Lockheed, Boeing, GE, BOA, et al were the ones calling congress and demanding they support Israel's Gaza slaughter.

      THAT was the Lobby my dear.

      So nice try but no cigar.

    • LOL

      MW needs to create another subject column for articles.
      File this one under 'hasbara and gate keeping' for the Jewish Lobby, Zionist and Israel.

  • Naive? At a Jewish spiritual retreat center, I insist on talking about Gaza
    • @ Mooser

      "hey can kick the rest of us out any time they feel like it, and how do you plan to stop them? Isn’t Israel the representative of the Jews, the Jewish State? '>>>>

      If I were Jewish, ( since I'm not cant say for certain) , but I dont think I would care if they kicked me out.

      The fact is the Zionist and Israel 'need' the Jews, not visa versa.

      I have read that when Jews were excluded from wasp country clubs back when, they pitched in some coins and built their own country clubs.
      Build some clubs that exclude zionist.....application for membership denied due to anti social and moral turpitude concerns. lol

    • Well then you are probably wasting your time on them and should read this book to understand the folly of trying to change them.
      I have used the narcissism label for the tribe many times, at least the Zionist wing of it, and this book also covers tribal narcissism.
      Tribal narcissism breeds a lot of very bad and scary things, from soccer fans killing each other to Zionist .

      '' This is your brain on narcissism''

      link to

      Jeffrey Kluger, author of “The Narcissist Next Door,” is that it is actually a clinical personality disorder affecting 1 to 3 percent of the population. Kluger’s book goes beyond cautionary tales of narcissism — like that of Narcissus — and explores how the disorder affects daily life, relationships, government, Hollywood, sports and elsewhere.


      Personality disorders like narcissism, paranoia, histrionic personality disorder and borderline personality disorders are what is called egosyntonic.
      You think you’re not narcissistic, you really are better. You’re not paranoid, there really are people who are after you. So until you get over that belief, until you can stop fighting on behalf of your disorder, you’re never going to get into a psychologist’s office in the first place

      Is there a chapter that was really surprising?

      The one on tribal narcissism. I find that topic terrible and dark and fascinating and all kinds of combinations. I’ve written a bunch for Time on morality and racism and how tribalism drives those kinds of behaviors. And tribalism in this case really is just narcissism, the grandiosity of the group. So it wasn’t too hard to find the overlap in the Venn diagram there. So I find that topic both compelling and awful.''

      Do you want to delve more into the chapter for the reader who hasn’t gone more into it?

      There’s narcissism of the individual and there’s narcissism of the group, and in both cases it’s essentially the same thing. We are better, we are more entitled, we are different or at least less interested in the people around us, or the tribes or nations around us, because we’re worthier than they are. Our people are the prettiest, our language is the most musical, our clothes are the most stylish. And these people are barbarians or at the very best civilized but crude. We are deserving of resources just as I, as the individual, am deserving of the raise, or deserving of the job or deserving of the hottest girl at the party because I’m better than the other guys around me''

      At the end of book you arrived at a place of having sympathy for narcissists. What led you to that that place?

      Well there’s nothing wrong with responding to narcissism with frustration and fear and outrage and exasperation, and all these different things we feel when we’re dealing with impossible people. But at the same time, almost all that behavior comes from pain. Almost all of that behavior comes from some kind of internal suffering.
      The same is true of anyone. Anyone who is so tormented by internal doubt and a private personal history that affects the way you behave — I wouldn’t want to feel the pain the raging narcissist feels''

    • Gene Shae
      September 21, 2014, 10:16 pm

      If I was at this retreat, lynne would have been in tears''>>>>

      And If I had been there you would then have been sipping your dinner thru a straw for offending the lady.

    • @ Chet

      I am not a neurologist but here's how my psychiatrist sister in law explained it to me. Different parts of the brain are responsible for different processes ---the logical -rational part of the brain absorbs and processes information----but the part of the brain responsible for 'emotions' is actually the part of the brain that ' makes judgements" ---- depending on how screwed up it is its 'judgements' will be faulty (wrong) even though it has received all the information from the logical part necessary to make an accurate/ the right judgement. The emotional part of the brain is also the part that produces a person's 'conscience' ---neurologist and psychiatrist who study psychopaths claim that studies of their brains show area of no activity ... a small dead area in that portion of the brain.

      I am not excusing these people because even in the emotional brain a person still mentally 'chooses' the judgement he wants to go with. Probably why another old saying is a person believes what he wants to believe in spite of all facts to the contrary.

    • '' but the larger American society lets them (zionist/israelis) get away with it."""

      Yes we have for decades....but I dont think its been from indifference or racism---its been from ignorance. Allthe public knew of Israel was the false story media and press fed them.

      The internet has changed that a great deal.

      Plus activist are finally 'exposing' zionist and politicians by confronting them directly where they have to either answer the question put to them in public or run away in public....

      The few times I have gone to political meetings where there was any kind of back and forth between the candidate and audience I have wanted them to make some statement like Debbie Wasserman made---that'' the US has a moral obligation to Israel'.
      So I could ask....... 'why do we have a moral obligation to Israel?"
      So he or she could say.......''because of the holocaust.''
      So I could say........'what did the holocaust have to do with the US?
      So he or she could say.......''Americans let the Jews be murdered and didnt rescue them so they owe the Jews and Israel."
      So I could say ..'we didnt rescue our own POWs either,
      we let them die in Japaneses camps'.
      So she or he could say......'but we are Jews, the killed 6 million of us".
      So I could say...." but others are also people and Hitlers war killed 75 million non Jews".
      So she or he could then say...."but you wouldnt even let Jewish refuges into the US"
      So I could say......" you dont let any non Jews refugees into your Jewish state today so that complaint is hypocritical"
      So she or he could say what?.....''but because of non jews anti semitism the Jewish state has to be treated special for Jews to be safe'.
      So I could say.....' if anti semitism is a threat and thats why you dont let non Jews into the Jewish State why arent you and all Jews living in Israel, why are you here in a non Jewish state around possible anti semites if the safe place for Jews is Israel"?
      This could go on like this forever to everything they would say.

      I would luv to see a political "menage a trois' public debate on Isr-USA-I/P with Zionist, jewish anti zionist and gentiles and Palestine Israel critics all go at the issues of US-Isr, Israel and Palestine.
      Israel and the Zios would be totally ruined, stripped naked.

      But they would never allow themselves to be put on a stand in any real back and forth because they know they would 10 minute flat their responses would be reduced to --anti semite, self hating jew, terrorist, anti semite, self hating jew, terrorist, anti semite, self hating jew, terrorist...

      And the politicians?...they just keep running and ducking for cover.

      link to

      Max Blumenthal

      Bernie Sanders shrank away when I asked him about his vote on Gaza slaughter

      Gaza slaughter link to sequel to this link to

    • What makes some people susceptible to propaganda and brain washing?

      Wikipedia says for ''Weak Minded "... is the state of being easily impressionable or possessing a weak sense of self-will, judgement or conviction.
      A weak minded individual's opinion may be easily swayed by propaganda or emotional manipulation tactics, as they do not possess an adequate ability to judge or discern the quality of an assertion, or they may exhibit a lack of discipline."

      Weak minded used to be a term used a lot in the past to describe someone who could be easily led. Most brainwashed and/or fanatics of any kind are weak minded and it has nothing to do with being educated or not or mentally deficient or not . The rational logical part of their brain is short circuited by their ' emotional quirks'.
      Their brains basically have blown a fuse, the power is off upstairs.

  • The rabbi at the shitshow
    • The Rabbi's shit show is small potatoes compared to the real shit show --->the US Government:

      Stephen Walt: R U a "skeptic," "reproacher," or "enabler? @NathanThrall brilliantly dissects follies of US "peace processors."

      A must read, except I prefer to label the suspects as the 'evils, the 'ignorant and the 'incompetent.

      link to

      ''Despite the tactical differences among Skeptics, Reproachers, and Embracers, there is more uniting the three approaches than distinguishing them.
      Members of all three groups consider themselves pro-Israel and are concerned with preserving it as a Jewish state.
      All favor a two-state solution, the annexation by Israel of large settlement blocs on the West Bank, and a Palestinian capital in some part of East Jerusalem.
      All wish to deny Palestinian refugees anything more than a symbolic return to Israel, and do not call for the return to Israel of an upper limit of 120,000–125,000 refugees, as discussed at the Taba negotiations in 2001.
      All underestimate the moral significance to Palestinians of Israeli recognition of at least partial responsibility for the refugee problem. All imagine amounts of financial compensation to refugees that are orders of magnitude lower than refugees expect. (A 2003 survey showed that among those refugees willing to choose compensation instead of returning to Israel, 65 percent believed a fair amount would be $100,000–$500,000 per family. Prior to the Camp David negotiations in 2000, US officials estimated that a combined total of up to $20 billion might be available to Palestinian refugees and Jewish refugees from Arab countries, meaning that Palestinians could expect to receive no more than $1,000–$3,000 per refugee.)
      All neglect how unacceptable their proposals are to refugees, whose support will be indispensable for a lasting agreement, since they make up a majority of Palestinians worldwide and roughly 45 percent of the population of the West Bank and Gaza.

      All three groups back the Israeli demand to place severe restrictions on the sovereignty of a future Palestinian state, with limits on Palestinian armament, border control, and airspace, as well as the presence in the Palestinian state of international security forces, Israeli early-warning stations, routes for Israeli emergency deployments, and a continued presence for some considerable period of Israeli troops. Some but not all of these restrictions are acceptable to PLO leaders, but they remain highly unpopular with the Palestinian public.''

    • Mooser
      September 20, 2014, 1:08 pm

      Holy Crap, this is insane. Will anybody, anybody, find me one, just one example of Jews (outside of the ultimate ghetto, Israel) where Jews have, once emancipated elected to stay in an insular, self-administered closed-off society?>>>>>>

      I can point you to the Enlightenment period in Europe when the nations were offering full citizenship to Jews.
      There were some Rabbis who sounded just like Rabbi Lashew (who seems to be encouraging the ghetto mentality).
      I posted a link to the papers and documents that were exchanged between the nations leaders and the Jewish leaders on the subject of Jewish citizenship on here last year so its way back in the archives.
      What was most interesting was that Jewish leadership was split---the Rabbis were the ones who argued that citizenship for the Jews should contain special exemptions from obligations of national citizenship in order to preserve the 'unity of the tribe" iow they wanted the full rights citizenship but also wanted to maintain a kind of " ghetto light' for Jews.
      Their feared full assimilation even in the political national sense would threaten their rule or break up the tribe.
      I see that still at work among the Rabbis who have adopted Zionism.

    • Shmuel
      September 20, 2014, 5:26 am

      ''what is wrong with it affecting people who are emotionally invested in israel?''>>>>>

      "Something happens....then you make a choice and take a side".............
      Graham Green, The Quiet American

      I think we have reached the point where hurt feelings and emotions just have to be considered collateral damage.
      And whatever symbols or expressions like Megan's work, regardless of its non pc-ness, to divide and galvanize Jews and everyone else into opposing Israel and Zionism are acceptable.
      Only one side can win in this fight because Zionism will not compromise.
      So everyone should do and use whatever they can to make sure Israeli Zionism loses.

    • @ just

      Yea I 'm familiar with Kaufman, I posted his speech here not long ago.

    • Someone correct me if I'm wrong but it seems most of what I read about the campus activity is students advocating against Israeli crimes---not against Jews.

      otoh is seems most of what I see about the zionist students and their Rabbis (leaders) is them 'personally ' attacking the pro Palestine and peace advocates.

      I cant remember off hand who said this but it was a Jewish writer......"We've never been able to look into the others eyes and see when they've had enough of us".
      Truer words were never spoken about the Zionist (and Israelis).
      They never have and never will know when to leave well enough alone.

    • I see nothing admirable in the Rabbi--sounds like typical liberal zionist.
      Shoot and cry, whine, play the scared Jew card, condemn and insult.

      I am sure she would feel bad if she ran over a puppy but then she would expend the most angst on how it wasnt her fault, and the horrible effect it was going to have on' her.'
      Would she beat up the owner of the puppy she ran over for berating her about her driving?
      Probably, thats basically what she is doing to Marzec.

      There are no good zionist...there are only degrees of bad ones.

  • Will the WCC finally break the interfaith ecumenical deal?
    • I am not even very religious if truth be told but I remember as a child I started crying and making a fuss in church one time because there were paintings of Jesus carrying his cross and being whipped bloody by the guards. My parents had to cart me out of the church and plunk me down on the lawn across the street to quiet me down.

      So to all the Christians and Jews nattering on about their religious 'fellowship' worries and problems I would say shut up and pick up the cross and start walking.

    • I do agree ellis is right about one thing----that the CCs need to come with some guts.
      But with the guts to do their own do the 'right thing'......independent of approval or disapproval of any other group or religion.

    • @ bryan

      Well I would disagree I am afraid.
      Yes all religions share some similarities---the main one being a belief in a God or Supreme being.
      And they all share some religious 'myths'.
      But the fact is these 3 religions did "divorce" centuries ago over the 'differences' and nothing has changed about the differences were and are obviously more *important* to them than the similarities .
      Thats why I say respectful but separate.
      Especially when involving themselves in issues which only have a 'political' solution.

      Also I would say this isnt exactly accurate:..realistically speaking--at least in the US.

      ''Zionism has absolutely no connection to Judaism. (Norman Pollack argues “Judaism does not need Israel. It is a world religion with fundamental moral-ethical principles, all of which Israel violates on a daily basis .''

      Zionism may not 'be' Judaism or visa versa, but it occupies/influences a large part of establishment or mainstream Judaism today. And thats a problem as well as the concept it promotes within Judaism of Jewishness being a national people hood. So it becomes a nationalist or ethnic kind of religion. This is why the so called interfaith deal of Jews and Christians fell apart the minute the CCs didnt toe the line on Zionist ideology/demands.

      A 'co operation' might work in a few places where Zionist and Israel dont have such a hold on establishment Judaism but it not going to work in the US were it does.

    • .Jones
      September 21, 2014, 12:09 pm

      So, it’s fine and worthwhile for Christians to cooperate with Jews and Muslims on interfaith issues like IP,>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

      IP is not a religious issue, it is a political issue.

      The religious get involved in this 'political issue" because they believe the human suffering caused by it is against Jesus's teachings which are the principles of Christianity and it is their duty to speak out.
      Judaism 'has been' involved with it because it has adopted Zionism and Israel and its about Jews and they want Christian support.
      The CC's 'interfaith deal' with Establishment Judaism didnt work because of that and got them nothing except attacked by the Jewish establishment.
      Going to a deal with ellis Jews of Conscience wont work either because their motives will be ending IP but while still saving the Israeli Jews from themselves and Judaism from Zionism.

      ellis's Jews of Consicence should keep their nose in their own tent and work on the Jews not on the Christians.
      When the Jews come up with a plan on IP and the Christians come up with their plan on IP then they can ask each other if the other wants to sign onto the others platform.

      Frankly as I have said before ellis appears obsessed with the CCs, he cant leave them alone, he himself in the past has blamed 'Christianity' for holocausting the Jews, now blaming them for 'not having the guts' to shuck off the J-Establishment for fear of the a-s smear and invite his band of Jews in their place. Just like he blames the CCs for all that he will blame them for not saving the Jews and pulling Judaism's fat out of the fire.....just like he doing right now.

      IP is not a religious project you all can sit around discussing and being all cozy interfaith frat brothers on and reading your bibles on.
      And its not about the Jews or Judaism or Christianity .
      Its about the Palestines and life and death and oppression and occupation and man made injustice.
      It wont be solved by the 'religious interfaith' crap.
      It will be solved when people because of their religion or whatever other principles start raising politician hell in Washington --where it actually counts.

    • Bad idea for Christian Churches to partner with Jews, even Jews of conscience on I/P. The CCs should make their stand and decisions alone--not with influence or input from Jews---- or Muslims or anyone else.

      With Jews in particularly because ' the deal', guilt tripping the Christians over the holocaust has been the hook the "relationship" has been based on as far as I can see.

      Sorry but the Christians need to dump the Jews/Judaism connections.
      Judaism and Christianity divorced long, long ago.
      They need to go their separate ways now more than ever because of Israel and just wish each other Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukkah.
      Judaism should work on its issues its own way and Christians work on their issues their own way.
      Mutually respectful but separate.

  • US guilty of war crimes in Palestine
    • OF COURSE, the US is guilty of aiding and abetting Israel war crimes!

      But because of our controlled media most Americans have no idea that 'legally' America could put in the dock for its part.

      Traitor accusation, pitchforks, tar, feathers, threats, intimation, fear........better start using those on your politicians.
      Cause it should be F'ing obvious by now ..You Cannot Appeal to their Morals, Humanity or US Loyalty...they dont have any.

  • Did Snowden blow the whistle because of the US special relationship with Israel?
    • @ Cliff

      Well yes, political corruption is ultimately responsible --that let the enemies thru the gates.
      The guards at the gates were bribed.

    • We need more citizen uproar and protest, more challenges to Israeli-ness in the US.
      One area to bring more attention to damaging to democracy Israeli infiltration would be our police and law enforcement which we all know is out of control in their violence against citizens.

      The black community who is most often on the receiving end of this unnecessary violence needs to know where it comes from.
      I want to see signs at protest the next time a cop shoots a unarmed black man in the chest six times saying --> US Cops, Trained by Israelis to Kill American Citizens.

      link to


      '' The militarization of American police forces hasn’t been paid for by just the federal government. Pro-Israel groups in the U.S. have also played a role by financing trips for hundreds of law enforcement officers to travel to the Middle East for counterterrorism training, according to Ali Winston, a contributor to the Center for Investigative Reporting (CIR).

      Monies provided by such groups as the Anti-Defamation League, the American Jewish Committee’s Project Interchange and the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs have made it possible for “at least 300 high-ranking sheriffs and police from agencies large and small – from New York and Maine to Orange County and Oakland, California” to attend privately funded seminars in Israel since the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, Winston discovered.

      There, they have learned how Israeli security forces deal with demonstrators and armed threats by terrorists. The seminars include field trips to such sites as military installations, surveillance outposts, and checkpoints at the West Bank and the Israeli-Egyptian border. The training includes spending time observing operations conducted by Israel’s Border Patrol, Defense Forces, national police and intelligence services.

      U.S. police officials who have undergone such training have come from the Los Angeles and New York police departments, the New York and New Jersey Port Authority Police Department, the New York Metropolitan Transportation Authority Police, and the Major County Sheriffs’ Association. The fact that the former chief of Missouri’s St. Louis County Police Department trained in Israel in 2011 recently came to light following the well-armed police response to protestors in St. Louis-based Ferguson.

      Israeli training of U.S. police has also influenced the type of equipment being used. Security forces from both countries are now using some identical gear, including stun and tear gas grenades manufactured by the same U.S. companies—Combined Systems Inc. and Defense Technology Corp. A long-range “sound rifle” that emits ear-shattering noise to disperse crowds, which was used against 2005 West Bank protestors, was also used in the recent police action against protestors in Ferguson.''

    • Danaa
      September 19, 2014, 4:38 pm

      "I second your warning, Citizen. ""

      No,no, is not the time for us to capitulate to authority and threats!
      The natives are restless, we need them to have even more reason to be angry.

      Exclusive: Angry with Washington, 1 in 4 Americans open to secession

      link to

    • I remember a bit about that but never saw these articles...thanks.

    • '....has a dossier"

      We're keeping a dossier on them too. LOL.

    • I dont know if Snowden was motivated because it 'was Israel in particular'----- but I do think Bamford has long been motivated by the Israeli threat to the his credit.
      I am motivated against Israel by its threat to the US in addition to its
      war and crimes against Palestine.
      If you understand even partly what Isr has done in the US AND Palestine you have to oppose it.
      imo Israel is Enemy No 1 to the US, not ISIS or Russia or anyone offshore......its destroying us from within.

  • 'Our oppression is linked; so too is our struggle': Statement of solidarity between University of Toledo's Student African American Brotherhood and Students for Justice in Palestine
    • Agree. All blacks in the US and everywhere should be supporting freedom for Palestine.

      And it is plain to me that police violence against blacks in particular is "deadly in intent" fact its out of all proportion against all citzens but even more so against blacks.

      For years I have seen to many accounts of people- "unverified" suspects---being deliberately shot to 'kill' ---not shot to 'disable' or not 'psychically contained" by manpower--but just outright killed by pumping a dozen bullets in them.

      There is something very wrong with the police in the US---instead of operating to 'protect the citizens' their mission now is to "protect themselves and only themselves at all cost". They operate like the IDF where a Jewish life is worth more than any other life and they kill at will for minor things like stone throwing or even just looking our 'police's lives' are the most important and holy thing in law enforcement. So now instead of these police we pay understanding their job entails some risk now and then and being trained to cope with that---they are given guns and told to kill anything that bothers them in the slightest.

      We need a f'ing revolution in this country.

  • Senator Warren's progressive supporters demand accountability for her rightwing pro-Israel positioning
    • Warren just another I-W****
      Dump her.

      Has Israel' illegally' (according to all Inter Law invaded, occupied and
      confiscated/settled on Palestine land?
      Has Israel committed war crimes as defined by Inter law?
      Has the US aided and abetted Israeli crimes financially and diplomatically?

      The correct answers are Yes, Yes and Yes.
      No 'debate' necessary.


  • South Africa High Court rules in favor of BDS South Africa billboard
    • Here's a interesting story I have been following .
      Maybe the failed Sotheby's sale of a Israeli Diamond was influenced by BDS or maybe it wasnt.
      But this is the kind of BDS directed at the big Zios that could really hurt them.

      First some background:

      Israel’s richest man and Israeli diamond vulture Beny Steinmetz--- put up a pink diamond for sale with Sotheby's. Beny is also a mafia style/Mossad connected plunderer of African nations ore mines----also a financier of a blood loving IDF unit ----also now under investigation by the US Justice Dept. and four other countries for fraud and corruption—also raided and tossed by the Swiss police.—also found by his latest plunder victim, the nation of Guinea to be guilty of fraud and corruption in the purchase of a ore mine---also ran to the United States of Israel where he hopes politics can keep him out of jail and hired fellow tribesman, former Senator Lieberman and Louis Freeh to represent him.

      Obviously some would like to think BDS screwed the pink diamond sale at Sotheby’s.
      But whether it really did or not, Sotheby’s has had to attach a new ‘risk factor’ report to its annual report about ‘third parties’ it is associated with---like Steinmetz.

      $83 million diamond default: Sotheby's and Israeli war crimes
      Tuesday, 08 April 2014 12:17

      link to


      ‘’Last November, amid a fanfare of international publicity, Sotheby's achieved a world record $83 million for a pink diamond auctioned in Geneva. Four months later, on February 27, Sotheby's disclosed that they were forced to take the diamond, they then valued at $73 million, into their inventory when the consortium of investors led by Isaac Wolf, a New York diamond cutter, defaulted.
      There is a lot about this story that doesn't add up; key questions remain unanswered leading to the suspicion of a cover-up.

      A brief, but significant new "Risk Factor" included in Sotheby's Form 10-K Annual Report on February 27, 2014, may offer a clue to this turn of events. It warns: "Sotheby's could be exposed to reputational harm as a result of wrongful actions by certain third parties. Sotheby's is involved in various business arrangements and ventures with unaffiliated third parties. Wrongful actions by such parties could harm Sotheby's brand and reputation."

      Sotheby's has not explained why they felt it necessary to include this previously unreported risk factor.

      According to numerous media reports Sotheby's claimed the buyer of the pink diamond "couldn't pay and defaulted". Isaac Wolf has not given any interviews or responded publicly since the news broke at the end of February.

      When asked by JCK magazine why the diamond wasn't sold to one of three under bidders, Sotheby's "declined to comment".

      Diamonds that are associated with gross human rights violations would not be a good "hedge against inflation and devaluation of currencies" which is what the investors sought. Wolf described the diamond, originally known as the Steinmetz Pink, as "a fantastic hedge".

      It is likely that the inclusion of the previously unreported risk factor in Sotheby's Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) Form 10-K filing was spurred by information published in 2013 and detailed............

      link to

      And how he is being ‘persecuted’ wherever he goes when he just an innocent businessman:
      link to

      Geneva home of Beny Steinmetz, the billionaire natural-resources investor who is Israel's richest person, was raided by Swiss police,

      And his hiring of fellow US toadies to try and save his bacon:
      link to

      Steinmetz Trust Said to Hire Lieberman, Ex-FBI Head Louis Freeh on Probe

      But the IDF supporting diamond king has had a reversal of fortune even if his diamond didn’t get BDS’ed. He lost his ore mine--Guinea took it back-- and Rio Tinto, one of the worlds 2 largest miners has secured the mining rights on a twenty-billion-dollar “investment” with Guinea at last getting their rightful share of the profits and with guess who as the partner with Rio?----China!

      link to

      Now I guess we wait to see if Beny can stay out of jail. One thing for sure he’s now a 'untouchable' as far being able to plunder any more poor countries or get deal with the big mining corps. Vale, the first mining company he tied in on his corruptions said.....”“Vale did what it had to do, and at the time there was nothing to discredit Beny,” he said.
      But he added, more colorfully, “A guy can marry a former hooker and only discover years later that his wife used to be a prostitute.”

    • Good!

      BDS 1 - Israel 0

  • Malta sinking killed hundreds fleeing Gaza
  • Warren, Schama, and Lipstadt address Holocaust echoes in Gaza conflict
    • @ seafood

      Israel doesnt need a girlfriend, its like a earthworm who has both male and female sex organs-----it can screw itself.
      Which is what it is doing...along with screwing everyone else..

    • Well I do agree with this......being as bad or worse for some people than being killed.

      " It was the FEAR of the hunted-for-extermination, not the death itself that made the holocaust special. ''

      Not that the Jewish holocaust was any more special than the holocaust of others who have been targeted and 'hunted down' for who they were or the group they belonged to.
      But if you have to live as the Jews did and the Palestine now do, in a constant "hunted state', never knowing where safety can be found, always knowing any misstep means you can be targeted and killed at any moment, it becomes too much.
      I think we saw this at work in the defiance of the Gazans in the last Israeli assault--- you reach a point where you just say-- here I am, I'm not running any more, go ahead, try and kill me.

    • Page: 91
    • None of this is going to matter in the end. The holocaust isnt going to matter. The few feeble words for Gaza and Palestine by corrupt politicians isnt going to matter.

      This is what is going to matter and determine the final disposition of Israel, Palestine and the US...... and its now filtering down from Bacevich to the net influencers to the public.

      Andrew Bacevich said it several years ago--the Israeli client state takeover of the imperial US power is "unprecedented in all of history''

      link to

      Billmon ..."In effect, old "duel loyalty" charge is obsolete. There is only 1 loyalty now: to a consolidated Israeli-American national security state"

      ""This is an unprecedented historical situation: a tiny client state has acquired total control over an imperial power.""
      That's the entire enchilada.'

      When this blows up, and it eventually will, it will literally 'rock the world. '
      The fact that the power structures cant see or perhaps dont care what this will end in shows you how completely delusional and removed from the reality 'of human populaces" both Israel and the US government are.

  • Rabbi in Ohio U. controversy leads group that denies there's an occupation
    • @ Mooser

      I read it a 100 yrs ago in high school (seems like a 100 yrs anyway)---but my point is/was that 'Shylock' somehow became used as a term for a sneaky thief.

      My other point was that ever time 'they' throw some hissy fit over something like this all they do is 'introduce' the negative Jew image to people who probably didnt even make a connection between Biden's Shylock usage and Jews.

      Someone should do a survey and see how many people automatically think "Jew' when they hear Shylock----doubt there are that many.

    • More silliness.
      Who says 'Shylock" always refers to a Jew?
      Can people besides Jews be Shylocks?
      I dare say 80% of people who use the term Shylock dont even know it was a character by Shakespeare who was jewish. Its something that got passed down over the ages to describe a sneaky thief.
      They themselves keep persisting it keeping up the negative Jew tales.

    • ''Does anyone out there have some insight into this phenomenon?"

      Yea its a disease called zio brain. There is no cure.

  • The elephant in the room, in Marin County
  • US and Canada strengthen economic relationship with Israel following attack on Gaza
  • US Congressman Danny Davis calls for lifting the blockade of Gaza
    • Call or fax Davis

      2159 Rayburn House Office Building
      Washington, DC 20515-1307
      Phone: 202/225-5006
      Fax: 202/225-5641
      or use the toll free no and ask for his office---1 877 762 8762

      And this is a good place to remind people not to give their political donations to the DNC---Do Not do That!
      What you do instead is donate directly to the individual politicans you want to reward or support.
      When you donate to the DNC 'establishment' they use your money to elect who 'they want', not who you want.

    • Yay for the anti semites who dare call for lifting the blockade on Gaza!
      He'll be accused of calling for the destruction of Israel by allowing life sustaining necessities into Gaza.

  • Life after a massacre: The story of Ahmed and Mahmoud
    • Heartbreaking. And even more untold stories and deaths out there caused by Israel.

      link to

      Palestinian migrants fleeing Gaza Strip drown in Mediterranean Sea


      The migrants' bodies were pulled from the water by the Egyptian military after they received a distress call from the vessel, Palestinian news website Maan News reported. Egyptian navy and border guards rescued at least 72 others, among them Egyptian and Syrian citizens.

      An estimated 10,000 Palestinians have so far fled Gaza in 2014, sources told the Palestinian News Network (PNN). However, numbers have swelled since July, when Israel launched a 50-day military operation against Palestinian political faction and armed group Hamas.''>>.

      10,000 here and 10,000 there fleeing the Isr oppressions and assaults over the years and pretty soon you have a land with no people--- for a people who have killed and killed and killed women and children for their land.

  • Moe Diab debates SWU operative Philippe Assouline
    • I hope you're right...think you are.
      And this was great coverage, thanks for digging it out.

    • ''viewer response to Diab flooded in...they love him"

      yahoo! would be even more interesting to know the ethnic identities,if any, of the viewers who loved Diab....I am assuming it was not soley Palestines or Arabs but others in the general population also who appreciated hearing more than Isr hasbara on the subject.

  • On the use of provocative analogies (Nazism, fascism)
    • @ Mooser.

      What yonah is saying is that if someone murders you for your stuff you're not really as dead as you would be if they killed you for being a Jew.

      I think the 'not as dead' would dispute that distinction.

    • The bottom line is.....if it walks, talks, and quacks like a Nazi, its a Nazi.
      Call them midget Nazis, slow motion Nazis or whatever kind of Nazi you want,

      The 'mentality' of a racial 'master/ruling class' and conquering/confiscating others land/country for the benefit or enrichment of their "'ethic nation" is the same.

    • '' Wow, I hope I’m not around the day Israel stops the occupation, and it becomes apparent that far from being the only thing holding Israel back, it’s the only thing holding it up. Gonna be a lot of long faces ''...Mooser

      The occupation' is' the major if not the only thing holding Israel up. As long as they occupy they can claim, false as it is, that they need 'security' from the Palestine terrorist who want to throw them into the sea. Besides the occupation bringing them Palestine water, farm land and other resources it brings them billions in aid for their 'security needs".

    • @ Donald

      Also Wrong.
      The legal definition of genocide Does Not 'include any form of repression'.
      It is specific to actions 'intended' to cause (or that result in) the destruction of a 'group' OR a 'part' of that group.

      And No, we dont need a new term for Nazi Germany.

      And No, any of what might be called oppression or discrimination of black people in the US is not a crime of genocide unless it is intended to or results in the destruction of the group.

      What Israel did in the Gaza slaughter, *indiscriminate killing of Gazans' *just because they are Gazans * was a genocide in intent and/or result---in whole or in part of a group.
      What Israel does to Arabs within Israel is racism, same as with blacks within the US.

      Learn the difference.

    • ''Legal definitions require interpretation and application to specific cases. In any case, in common usage the term “genocide” is restricted to the very large-scale intentional killing of members of groups - Slater

      The elements of genocide 'as legally defined' are not dependent on the 'number' of people killed.
      'In the law" it is INTENT and RESULTS and even if the intent was not genocide if the result of the actions contain any of the elements of genocide than a genocide crime has been committed.
      Actions of Israel such as bulldozing homes to run Palestines off of land, bulldozing olive groves to deprive them of a making a living, bombing water facilities to deny them water necessary to life, imprisoning people and mostly young people without trial and 'transfering them to Israeli prisons would also be an element of genocide.
      "If' you have read the articles, and it seems you havent, you would also know that in your "Legal definitions require interpretation and application to specific case'' in the crime of genocide the court relies on the PATTERN of the perpetrator' actions as part of it's 'interpretation' of the perpetrators INTENT and RESULTS.
      The entire world knows what the Pattern of Israel has been and what the Results have been.
      The only thing gross here is your trying to minimize Israel's crimes.

  • Ohio University filibuster: harangue or free speech?
    • Re: the 'best friend ploy'

      I remember seeing the zio trolls at Dkos accuse anyone who said they had a jewish or black or whatever friend of saying it as a anti semite 'ploy'......its very normal and legitimate for someone to say they have jewish friends or black freinds and etc. if they do when its implied they are anti semites or bigots--which is always implied if not out right said a major part of the time in the Israel and race issues.

      My response to them would be -- Fuck You, you fucking *hypocritical* bigot--- you dont know who my friends are.

      But its an excellent way to make people avoid the hassle of relationships with Jews---who needs the fucking aggravation of being accused if you do and accused if you dont, and of having 'suspect' motives and accused of lying no matter what you say.

      Not worth it.

    • ''Bobcats for Israel''

      They picked the wrong cat if its intended to project ferociousness.

      The other side should call themselves the' Screaming Eagles'.

      Here's an eagle looking for some rocks to drop and smash the bobcat dinner he just snatch on.

      link to

  • Yale Jewish center to hold 'intellectual' panel on storm over ousted priest's comments-- without inviting the priest
    • @ seafood

      I think I can also offer an answer to the question posed in the FT article you quote a while ago.

      ''“First, Israel, a mature democracy, is frequently subjected to a double standard that is not applied to other states. To criticise Israel for its intervention in Gaza is not anti-Semitic, even though some of the Jewish state’s supporters claim it to be so. A distinction can be drawn between those who criticise Israel and those who demonise it, subjecting it to opprobrium well beyond what would apply to any other nation. In London this month, thousands marched in protest at Israel’s actions in Gaza. Why have there been few such demonstrations against the Bashar al-Assad regime in Syria, now responsible for 150,000 deaths? -

      The 'why no demonstrations against the Assad regime' and many demonstrations against Israel can also be explained I think by "what the citizens see". The citizens do not see their governments supporting and excusing what the Assad regime does or is said to have done.
      OTOH.....they do see their governments defending and supporting Israel's crimes and it angers them so they demonstrate against it.
      This also ties in with resentment of Jews----thinking the Jewish influence of I-Jews on their governments is responsible for their leaders hypocritical policy on Israel.

    • I think that the Pro-I Jews in countries outside of Israel being loud and aggressive about supporting Israel and hurling the a-s slur at the other side is what has also contributed to the increased resentment of Jews in general.
      Even those citizens who arent die hard followers Israel or the Israel Palestine conflict see news reports (at least in Europe) on the slaughter of Palestine women and children and then see or hear about groups of Jews out demonstrating their support of it and Israel and it gives them a bad taste for and dim view of Jews.
      One thing I havent noticed is any alarm bell ringing or reports about a-s in countries where few Jews are actively involved with Israel like some in SA countries and others..

    • Zionism is also stupid.
      It has way over estimated how stupid other people are.

    • Of course Israel and actions against Palestine increase anti semitism or resentment of Jews.
      Any fool can see the connection.

  • Israel surveils and blackmails gay Palestinians to make them informants
    • Exactly. Aided by the US.
      NSA giving Israel all the info they collect unfiltered is one way Isr uses that info--to identify and target Palestine and others.

      Israel’s N.S.A. Scandal

      By JAMES BAMFORD SEPT. 16, 201

      How Israel uses the info given to them by the US's NSA

      link to

      This is a good example of why I keep saying BWTTGASO--Burn Washington to the Ground and Start Over.
      American gov is so infected by Israel and its agents there is no way to get them out except a wholesale upheaval.

      Until them what we need to ask about ever policy involving Israel is Who Authorized it? Give us the names.

  • Ohio student leader who dropped bucket of blood for Gaza receives vicious death threats
    • According to my snooping this woman lives in Aikin SC. I know Aikin well ,use to go there all the time to look at horses and she's no more 'in fear' of people who hate her in Aikin than I am of being beheaded by ISIS.

    • @ seafood


    • New Rule

      The entitlement to claim a 'Jewish psychological state' as a defense for crimes, being a asshole or even a dirty mouth has been revoked.

    • What is it with this class of people's love of the slur 'cunt'......? it always cunt this and cunt that and rape and throat slitting.
      I dont think I've ever actually heard anyone call a woman a 'cunt'...not even in my forays into bad ass southern backwaters.

  • J Street can't tie Israel's latest 'illegal land grab' to cutting US aid
    • more J-St. bs
      J-Street is nothing but another zio group who wants to keep the talky talky and hokey reviews going until Isr has fully consumed Palestine and spit out the Palestines.

  • The rise of 'If Not Now' and the collapse of the pro-Israel consensus
    • This legistation would be a good test of all the 'liberal' Jewish groups who want Israel reformed.
      So far the only group to actually get in some politicians faces on Israel is Code Pink. (who just paid Eliz Warren a visit btw, to condemn her support of the Gaza slaughter)
      Who among the other groups will go to capitol hill and confront Kirk and the other I-tools in the US they let a foreign lobby write US legistation?
      Legistation that not only seeks to control private US companies and commerce for Israel but also demands the EU put the same controls on their companies.

      Pro-Israel Activists Aim To Block Boycott Movement With Legislation
      AIPAC seeks to slow BDS.
      link to

      The legislation, which has not yet been introduced and has been in the process of being drafted for months, would aim to prevent U.S. companies from participating in the campaign without infringing on Americans’ First Amendment rights to political speech. It would also try to make the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership being negotiated between the U.S. and E.U. conditional on whether the E.U. takes action to stop BDS.

      “The biggest provisions would be authorizing states and local governments to divest from companies deemed to be participating in BDS; denial of federal contracts to such companies; and threatening the conditioning of the US-EU free trade pact on the EU taking action to stop BDS activities within its jurisdictions,” said a Republican foreign policy adviser familiar with the legislation. The bill, the adviser said, originated with a top aide to Illinois Senator Mark Kirk and has now been “expanded” by AIPAC, which is working with House and Senate offices on the draft.

    • O.K.
      But none of the Jewish groups organized around Israel's issues are going to go full tilt against US support of Israel (and the AIPAC tools in congress)......which is what has to be done.
      They are delusional if they think Israel 'can be saved' as long as the US supports all its criminal acts.

  • The best U.S. 'strategy' to combat ISIS? Stop supporting religious states
    • Have another does of stupid.

      ''Obama pushes $5 billion counterterrorism fund to fight ISIS''


      “This is a core component of the president’s strategy for dealing with this and other issues like it around the globe — that is, additional resources that can be used by the United States to build up effective partners so that when the United States has to confront threats like this, that we have well-trained, well-equipped, effective partners that we can work with to confront these problems,” Earnest said Monday.''

      link to

      Humm....'well quipped and trained partners"? who would that be that we going share our 5 billion with to fight ISIS? Iraq?....they threw down their weapons and ran and are totally lacking in training for this. Egypt? Pakistan? Syria? Israel? What ME country is going to send their AF or military to fight ISIS? Saudi created the opening for ISIS by setting Syria on fire---let the Sauds pay for it.

    • '' and announce that henceforth we will abide by a core idea of democracy.''

      We dont even have a core of a democracy any more and wont ever have one until we get rid of All special interest money in politics.
      Everyone can dream about what if this or that....but thats the bottom line.
      If we cant do that well then we just keep circling the toilet till we get flushed.

  • Ohio student leader's dramatic act for Gaza
    • From the Forward about the arrest of the Pro-I students disrupting a meeting and Student Senate President Megan Marzec not 'backing down' on her stand.

      To which I say ....Marzec For President !!!!!

      ''Finally, Marzec issued a vote to have the protesters arrested for disrupting the meeting. Ohio University police issued the protesters a two-minute warning, and then arrested them and led them from the meeting. The students were led from the room, charged at the police station with disruption of a lawful meeting, and released. On Thursday morning, their court date was set for the morning of September 24th, the day before Rosh Hashana.
      Leshaw said that although she didn’t think the protesters should have been arrested, she said the police “acted beautifully” and that their presence helped prevent a hostile situation from spiraling out of control.
      “I think it was actually a blessing that the police arrived,” she told JTA.

      Marzec was defiant in response to the protest. According to the Post Athens, she stood on a table after the arrests and declared that she would “never apologize for the people of Palestine.”
      She added, “And I will never stand up for fascists. And this body won’t either.”

      Read more: link to

  • The real issues in the Salaita case: Palestine, neoliberalism, and the corporate university
    • '' My impression is that Jewish leadership hopes that this will blow over without exposing rifts within the Jewish community that have been assiduously ignored until now. ''>>>>

      Its not going to blow over. ..the rifts are getting bigger and probably on their way to the US sooner or later. I would guess it was pro Israel Jews and not Arab pro Palestine protestors in the 'mob of 30' who attacked this man..

      British Jew Forced From Home After Criticizing Israel's Gaza Operation
      Car Sprayed With Red Paint, Windows Vandalized
      By JTA
      Published September 08, 2014.

      ''An Orthodox Jewish man was forced to leave his home in England after criticizing Israel’s Gaza operation at a protest rally.
      The Greater Manchester home was vandalized twice with eggs and graffiti and smashed windows, and his car was sprayed with red paint, the Manchester Evening News reported Sunday.
      The man moved out after he was attacked by a mob of up to 30 people, according to the newspaper.
      Police are investigating the incidents and are treating them as hate crimes, the Jewish News website reported Sunday.''

      Read more: link to

    • Well, 'the facts' and history of US-Isr relationship says you're wrong.

  • Israel and the law -- the views of three international jurists
    • Another part of the courts judgement of war crimes says that the 'results' of the perpertrators actions trumps the 'intent' of the perpertrator.
      Iow , whether or not the perpertrator 'intended' to committ a war crime, if his actions ' result' in a war crime then a war crime was committed.

    • Iam not a inter jurist either but I think Isr would have a hard time using loopholes. Specifically because of the 'pattern of crimes by the perpetrator' element in every Article that the court has to look at in each of the crimes Isr would be charged with.
      If you read the Articles you wont find many crimes defined that Isr hasnt committed. In a best case sceniro for Israel , even it avoided war crime charges in Gaza---all the other listed crimes would sink them because of the long term 'pattern' of its other crimes....abducting and imprisoning children (under 17), imprisonment without trials, random killings of unarmed citizens by IDF, etc.,etc..

      link to

      Ex....this element is found in every 'judgement' of whether or not there has been a crime.

      Article 6
      Elements of Crime

      5. ''The conduct took place in the context of a manifest pattern of similar conduct directed against that group or was conduct that could itself effect such destruction''

      Israel has a 40 year or longer 'documented' pattern of its crimes.

  • Three-sentence letter to the 'NYT' results in Yale chaplain's resignation
    • 'First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, and then you win.''

      The zionist are now transitioning from the ridiculing, or I should say the 'deflaming' , stage to the fighting stage.
      This is good......faster please, attack more people, use more dirty tricks and lies, scream, shout, whine, demand, condemn and spin.
      Zionism will never last.

  • When 'NYT' reporter's son joined the Israeli army, he didn't want news to get out
    • '' ““I’ve mostly lost confidence that engaging with your audience is at all constructive, so not sure it’s worth doing such a conversation, but will consider it.””......

      Phil engaging with Rudoren would be a waste of time......she is what she is.
      And all he will get out of her is the same hasbara and delusions that all zionist spew.

  • Israel has three years to end the occupation -- Abbas
    • '' tod77September 8, 2014, 4:14 am
      Do you get more points by dying? – and then when you reach a certain number of points you get freedom?
      If the west bank loses $ will that give them freedom?
      I think the situation is more complicated by that. >>>>>>

      Its not complicated.
      With Abbas Palestines get 3 more years of Israel moving them off their land.
      Going to the ICC only means losing the US funding......which I think some Arab countries would replace.
      The Palestines choice is go to the ICC and suffer the financial consquences or dont go to the ICC and still suffer the financial and other consquences that come from being slowly or not so slowly turned into dispossed refugees.

    • Abbas has to be replaced.
      If Gazans are willing to be killed by Isr for freedom then Abbas and the WB can take a $ money hit for it.

  • The west is safer for Jews than Israel (duh)
    • @ riztl

      The last thing the US or any country needs is an even bigger Israel Zionist lobby preying upon their government and nation.
      They wanted their own country, they got one, let them clean it up.

  • It's 'bomb or bombing' in Iran inside of a year, Israeli leader tells US pol
    • ''' The deepest lessons I learned during my visit were the shocking disconnect and the viral bias that much of the world and the media has against Israel. I saw it first-hand. Literally, in my hand as I read a flood of angry responses to every tweet I sent during the visit. Calling me a traitor. Demanding that I run for a seat in the Knesset. Accusing me of having “the blood of children on your hands.”>>>

      So he's unaware of how the world feels about criminal Israel..?
      I have used the word 'stupid' a lot lately...but this guy is stupid.
      When Humpty Dumpyt falls off the wall the I -Firsters will think its the literal end of the world...and it will be for them.

  • Joan Rivers's Palestinian finale
    • One other thing.....I noticed the TV shows coverage of her death.......all praise.
      Shows you how thoroughly low brow and superficial Hollywoody all our media have become that Rivers brand of crass comedy could make her a "star".

    • Rivers was not my idea of funny. Screaming insults about people, which was all her 'comedy' was , doesn't take any talent.,

      I think the poor innocent me..." I am tired of bearing the brunt of attacks by people who want to sell newspapers or gain ratings by creating a scandal about me that is non-existent.”.....may have helped speed up her karma...maybe getting attacked for her hate filled rant contributed to her heart attack.

  • 'NYT' headline implicating Hamas in teen killings is a lie
    • Liars and bottom feeders. The world is insane to put up with this. Isr destroys and then makes a profit on their destruction and killing paid for by everyone but them. The day Isr comes to an end will be declared a international holiday all over the world.

      link to
      Max Blumenthal @MaxBlumenthal · 4h

      Israel requires all-Israeli material for Gaza rebuilding - millions in profit from destruction

      link to

  • Settler group demands segregated bus lines out of fear for security
    • LOL

      They are thieves living on stolen land that The Z-Cult, Mafia, Inc. stole for them.

      They don't feel near the fear they deserve to feel.

  • Israel's right wing Zionists, Palestine's militant resistance are political winners after Gaza slaughter
    • Non violent or non punitive protest against Israel will not work.
      What do you do with a psychopath who has gotten away with his crimes for 65 years?
      No chance of any correction of his psychopathy except lock him up.

    • The US is terminally corrupted on Israel by political money.
      That is the answer to your question.

  • British pol is beaten by man in Israeli army t-shirt, and the chattering classes are silent
    • '' (I keep saying that the violence will come to our shores. Not an eventuality I’m hopeful about. But when US pols turn against Israel we can expect the rage here too.)'>>>>

      "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." - John F. Kennedy

      The political system and the controlled media powers have made a peaceful political revolution in the US impossible or close to impossible.

    • yea....they are already fund raising for Masterson.

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    • ''Finally, Dan, although most Israeli Jews are hopeless on ideology, not all are. Galloway’s blanket-ban would affect those in the Anarchists Against the Wall, the +972 mag types etc.

      You find this “hilarious”. I don’t. I don’t believe in ethnic blanket bans. You apparently do."

      I think everyone (in the world) knows who Galloway means when he says "Israelis'.

  • Richard Cohen says he married Israel and has been faithful during ups and downs
    • '' As he recounts, he delved into his own and Jewish history and fell in love with the story of the Jews and Israel, a twice-promised land—in the Bible by God, and by the world to the remnants of Europe’s Jews. ">>>>>>

      I have seen dozens of articles and writings lately by Jewish writers 'romanticizing ' the Jews and Zionism. This seems to be a sort of new trend or tactic because before this most re: Jews and Isr articles and etc. concentrated on the horrors of Jewish history.
      Is this romanticizing of Jews and or Zionism a effort to distract from the 'current' horrors of Zionism and Israel?

  • Judaism's hijacking by Zionists drives 70% of secular Jews to marry non-Jews-- Koppman at Huffpo
    • Israel being convicted for war crimes might get Zionism out of Judaism. If we could get some US officials thrown in the dock too it might get Zionism out of our government also

      Breaking News
      International Criminal Court Prosecutor: 'Palestine' Can Join Rome Statute
      Membership Enables Filing War Crimes Charges Against Israel

      “Palestine” is now eligible to join the Rome Statute and file war crimes charges against Israel, the International Criminal Court prosecutor said.

      ICC Prosecutor Fatou Bensouda on Aug. 29 wrote an op-ed in the British newspaper The Guardian to answer charges that the ICC has avoided opening an investigation into alleged war crimes in Gaza due to political pressure.

      Membership in the ICC would grant “Palestine” the right to file war crimes against Israel and Israeli figures with the court.

      “I have made it clear in no uncertain terms that the office of the prosecutor will execute its mandate, without fear or favor, where jurisdiction is established and will vigorously pursue those – irrespective of status or affiliation – who commit mass crimes that shock the conscience of humanity. My office’s approach to Palestine will be no different if the court’s jurisdiction is ever triggered over the situation,” Bensouda wrote.

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  • Thirteen arrested as protesters tell Senators Menendez and Booker: 'No more blank check for Israel's crimes'
  • This war was not a war, it was a massacre
    • The Intercept: Why Israel's bombardment of Gaza neighborhood left US officers 'stunned'

      link to link to

      "“Holy bejeezus,” exclaimed retired Lt. Gen. Robert Gard when told the numbers of artillery pieces and rounds fired during the July 21 action. “That rate of fire over that period of time is astonishing. If the figures are even half right, Israel’s response was absolutely disproportionate.” A West Point graduate who is a veteran of two wars and is the chairman of the Center for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation in Washington, D.C., he added that even if Israeli artillery units fired guided munitions, it would have made little difference."

  • The Palestinian message to Israel: Deal with us justly. Or disappear
    • Breaking News
      International Criminal Court Prosecutor: 'Palestine' Can Join Rome Statute
      Membership Enables Filing War Crimes Charges Against Israel

      “Palestine” is now eligible to join the Rome Statute and file war crimes charges against Israel, the International Criminal Court prosecutor said.

      ICC Prosecutor Fatou Bensouda on Aug. 29 wrote an op-ed in the British newspaper The Guardian to answer charges that the ICC has avoided opening an investigation into alleged war crimes in Gaza due to political pressure.

      The Palesitnian Authority sought to join the court in May 2009. After three years of research and analysis, the ICC Prosecutor’s Office determined in April 2012 that since “Palestine” was an “observer entity,” it could not sign on to the Rome Statute.

      Several months later, in November 2012, “Palestine’s status was upgraded in the United Nations to non-member observer state,” which gives it legitimacy to join the Rome Statute, Bensouda told the Guardian.

      Membership in the ICC would grant “Palestine” the right to file war crimes against Israel and Israeli figures with the court.

      “I have made it clear in no uncertain terms that the office of the prosecutor will execute its mandate, without fear or favor, where jurisdiction is established and will vigorously pursue those – irrespective of status or affiliation – who commit mass crimes that shock the conscience of humanity. My office’s approach to Palestine will be no different if the court’s jurisdiction is ever triggered over the situation,” Bensouda wrote.

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  • Elizabeth Warren says killing Palestinian civilians is 'the last thing Israel wants'
    • Jenin YounesAugust 28, 2014, 5:14 pm

      ''On the one hand, I understand that taking a stand against Israel’s actions likely means an end to one’s political career''>>>>>>

      We don't know that because no one has tried it six decades. The candidates cave to I- Firstdom before they even get out of the gate for the political donations and for important jewish voter states like Fla..

      IF a candidate came along who was impervious to Lobby slander dirty tricks and had a money of his own to spend on his election or was financed by some rich US patriots the I firsters would be finished. ....forever...Because it would prove to other politicians that America First trumps Israel First for the majority of Americans . The voters would trump the money.

    • '' or “denying benefits to the sick is the last thing insurance companies want” or …''

      Yes I can hear her saying that now. Just like Obama wanted everyone to have affordable health care---that's why he gave it to the 'For Profit Insurance Industry' to

      As I keep trying to tell people, if they will take zio money in exchange for letting Israel steal and kill Palestine innocents--they will do the same thing to us. If you can stomach the bloody dead in Gaza and even defend it there's nothing and no one you wont sell out.

    • Bernie and Warren should stop yelling and lying or they might have to have a operation on their vocal cords.

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      Joan Rivers rushed to hospital 'after she stopped breathing'

      Tart-tongued comedienne Joan Rivers "in stable condition" after she reportedly stopped breathing during throat surgery on her vocal cords in New York''

      I wonder if she ruptured a vocal cord during her rant on how all the Palestines should be dead.

  • Yale Protestant chaplain says Americans must curb Israel so as to curb anti-Semitism
    • All you can do is block them because trying to engage them only gets you a never ending hamster wheel run of zio delusions for replies.

    • BetsyAugust 28, 2014, 12:48 pm
      @ Henry Norr — a lot of mainline Christian denominations have multiple connections to the Middle East, through international work & partnerships going back in some cases two centuries. E.g., Presbyterian networks with schools & colleges in Egypt, Lebanon etc. have been conduits for communication that shape the thinking & knowledge base. >>>>

      I dont think it is necessary or even advisable to get into who has what religious connections in the ME as a way to equate their religious interest or ties to the Jewish religious interest and ties to Israel.

      When you do that you for yourselves then you actually reinforce the 'legitimacy' of Jewish ties to ME/Israel which is not a 'legitimate ' reason for US foreign policy..,,,,same way US church ties in the ME would not be a legitimate reason for US policy.

      All I see churches need to say that what Israel (and the US) are doing is immoral and a sin against humankind.

    • I do not know how any reasonably astute person could deny that Israel's actions increase resentment of Jews around the world. The calls/rants against Jews appear in those periods when Israel is acting out---carrying out more assaults against Palestine. Its easy to chart.

      I also don't think 'anti semitism' is the correct description for the current 'feelings' of the majority of those who are criticizing or attacking Israel. We can call anti Semitism on 'some' of those who attack random Jews.

      Something that has bugged me thru out the entire time I have been involved in following this is if you can define anti Semitism as having negative beliefs about the Jewish collective and those beliefs were brought on by generations of 'canards' or libels passed down about Jews then why for gawds sake have some Jews --seeming the ones who hurl the anti Semitism slur and claim they fear anti Semitism the most---signed up to Zionism which has literally brought the old canards to life on center stage right before our eyes.

      This is where and why it is impossible to treat Zionism or its followers as anything but a deceptive and destructive cult-----they are operating on those canards but calling it anti Semitism if anyone points it out----demanding people not believe their own eyes and ears. This is one of the reasons gentiles and everyone else is totally done with their ridiculous accusations of anti Semitism being responsible for all the opposition to Israel...its the 'don't piss on my leg and tell me its raining'..... the world is fed up with that.
      Because this is the way Zionist operate you cannot communicate with, reason with or manage or control it, --its a lie and delusion factory---it has to be put out of business.

  • 'New Yorker' limits its expose of Israel lobby to AIPAC
    • Article is bs.
      Trying to 'regroup' the Jews for Israel.
      Since Isr's murder at will rules of war offended some of them.
      There are no good zionist.

  • Israel's information iron dome
    • ''The only thing that could unite people and temporarily brought out more kindness and a sense of cooperation was a feeling of being under collective threat, and in particular a ‘good wholesome war’ . . . '' >>>>>>>>>>>

      "Enemies" is what has always held them together more than anything else imo.

  • Gaza goyim jailbreak
    • '' My wife’s clan are privileged but civic-minded people, and what’s stopped them in the past is the Don’t-criticize-someone-else’s-family taboo, plus the anti-Semite label. "..Phil

      What is interesting is that most intelligent goys of good will wouldnt have considered criticizing Israel, even though its the so called jewish state, to be the same as an attack on Jews in the US...until they got propagandized into considering them one and the same some where along the line.

    • chris_kAugust 26, 2014, 7:30 pm
      I’m a goy and I for one don’t mind the term for amusement.

      An American… We the goyim should be concerned about our country’s policies and feel enfranchised to speak about them, and about the policies of other countries including “allies,” obvious though not followed in practice as this site documents.''>>>>

      I am a goy and couldnt care less about being referred to as a goy either. Its nothing of importance.
      And yes goys should should be raising hell with their politicians over the Isr problem.
      But I think goys can comprehend the holocaust just like we can feel for what is happening to people in Gaza today.
      What goys and everyone else has to reject or refuse to accept is the holocaust as a excuse or entitlement for zionist and Israel's actions .

  • Palestinian-American teen denied access to Israel’s airport
    • '' that Israeli security no longer considered her an American citizen with American travel privileges''

      Unsurprising. Israel thinks it can make up laws for everyone, zionism has made up its own language, its own definitions, its own morality, its own history, its own interpretation of international law, ------its an alien cult that will never fit in with the majority world.
      It needs to be de-commissioned as a zionist nation so maybe One State, even it takes a while to end Jewish rule, is the way to go.

  • Our new look
    • '' Really, what possible “issues” could I have with people who have been trying to kill me, my family, my friends and neighbors?.......jon s

      What possible issues could Hamas have with people who stole their people's land and kill them?
      Hamas is a lot easier on Israel than I would be.
      If the Israelis were doing this to anyone except people who don't have much to fight back with there would be a lot of dead Israelis.

  • 'NYT' journey to Israel/Palestine to be led by Israeli 'expert' who called on countrymen to 'kill and kill' Palestinians
    • '' The ‘featured expert’ of NYT readers trip to Israel-Palestine is Arnon ‘the Arab counter’ Soffer''

      To be expected..but still alarming how thoroughly the zionist have taken over prominent US press. But then the Z-cult has been at since 1948, they had to control the public information outlets in order to dominate and subvert the US for Israel.

      ". . . whenever the people are well-informed, they can be trusted with their own government; that, whenever things get so far wrong as to attract their notice, they may be relied on to set them right.".......Thomas Jefferson

      I am already imagining how they are going to lie about the cause of whatever finally happens in the US that does attract the notice of the public regarding Israel and zionism.

  • Since the beginning of 'Operation Protective Edge' in Gaza, Israeli forces have also injured at least 2,139 Palestinians in the West Bank
    • Max Blumenthal@MaxBlumenthal · 19h

      Gaza has been hit 59,973 times by Israeli missiles and munitions since the start of Operation Protective Edge:
      link to

      Totally obvious that Isr is bombing just to destroy......their bombers arent given targets, they are just bombing at will.

  • Hillary Clinton just lost the White House in Gaza -- same way she lost it in Iraq the last time
    • I have an excellent idea on how to' trap' candidates as 'traitors' and have it blow up in public....but on the 1 in a trillion chance some patriot group might decide to do this to get their candidate elected I am not telling.

    • Lets reverse that whataboutery gibberish.

      What about the US helping to over throw Lybia for less violence on its public than Israel is inflicting on Gaza?

      So what about that whataboutery zios...huummm?

    • '' Because elections are always on domestic issues.''

      A candidate who 'can connect' in the public's mind the impact of US foreign policy on americans welfare in domestic policies could win.
      Because the public is according to everything we see and hear increasingly against foreign involvement, paying for foreign involvement, warring for foreign interest.

      "America First" would sweep the electorate, people are asking for it----unfortunately there is no candidate on the scene who will make that their platform because thats not where the big donor money is.

      So all we will get is the usual song and dances about single issues on domestics and not the big picture on what happens and has happened to domestics because of foreign adventures and etanglements.

  • A visit to the East Jerusalem hospital treating children injured by Israeli strikes on Gaza
    • This might help explain where those Palestines Hamas executed for spying for Isr came from. Spy for us or we will let your child die of cancer..spy for us or we will let you go blind. Add in their harvesting of Palestine organs and you are right there on par with the mentality of nazi Dr. Mengle.

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      Middle East: Israel's secret police pressuring sick Gazans to spy for them, says report
      · Treatment only offered to would-be informants
      · Patients allowed to cross the border drops sharply

      Israel's secret police are pressuring Palestinians in Gaza to spy on their community in exchange for urgent medical treatment, according to a report released today by an Israeli human rights organisation. Physicians for Human Rights says the Shin Bet began interrogating Palestinian patients seeking permission to travel from Gaza to Israel for crucial medical help after Israel blockaded and then declared the tiny territory an enemy entity more than a year ago. Refusal to cooperate often results in the denial of medical treatment. Based on the testimonies of more than 30 Palestinians - 11 of which are published - the report says the Shin Bet is using coercion and extortion to force patients to collaborate.

      "After all my responses he said to me: 'I want to talk to you openly when you return from Israel so that you will have an acceptable reputation on the Israeli side. Either you make contact with me and agree to my demands, or you will not get any medical treatment which will cause you to be blind and you will become a burden to your family and friends,'" Wahidi said in his affidavit. But he said he refused and was forced to return to Gaza without receiving any treatment. Now the 28-year-old, who married a year and a half ago, is completely blind in his right eye and losing the vision in his overstrained left eye.

      He is one of an unknown number of patients from Gaza who have been denied medical treatment after refusing to inform on their friends, neighbours and relatives. Many patients feel they are being forced to choose between preserving their life or protecting their community. Physicians for Human Rights says such pressure amounts to coercion and extortion. International law forbids the use of civilians in conflict to damage an enemy state and collaboration in the Palestinian community is a crime punishable by death.

  • Jodi Rudoren loves a winner
    • Ditto.
      Just end it whatever it takes.
      The longer it goes on the worse the eventual end will be for everyone.

  • Mr. Netanyahu, what is your endgame?
    • '' Tell us Israel, the greater Jewish good – defined – as what?''

      You should understand it by now.
      For those that claim leadership of the Jewish people and for many who signed up with them its about power....and money and prestige...its about being top dogs in the world. Its about the sissy kid who always got picked on becoming a heavyweight champion and revenging all his old grudges.
      This is the culmination of Jewish victimhood culture mixed with a form of choseness armed to the teeth and led by a Zionist Mafia unconstrained by any laws or morality.
      This is what they call good for the Jews.

  • 'NYT' op-ed calls on Jews to abandon liberal Zionism and push for equal rights
    • Zionist lie to everyone....liberal zionist lie to themselves.

    • In that case Congress will just give Isr more of our money. ..count on it.

    • I agree that liberal zionism is nothing but a cover because it still insist and believes in ethnic Jewish rule and a 'government enforced' majority of Jews.

      But I am lerry of how one state would work without a long period of apartheid going on and a internal war for Arab/Muslim equal rights. A state and society like Israel is not going to give up jewish rule and supremism in a one state solution.

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