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Annie Robbins is Editor at Large for Mondoweiss, a mother, a human rights activist and a ceramic artist. She lives in the SF bay area. Follow her on Twitter @anniefofani
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today? what did i miss? i heard israel was bombing gaza yesterday but i had not heard about what hamas allegedly initiated today.
richard..aside from the danger there is also the aspect of other american voices not being heard, like the other 98% of us. shocking i know.
israel is desperate
interests ! sorry, i was on the phone..multitasking unsuccessfully.
VR, a vital organization inside israel fighting for arab rights is ADALAH based out og haifa. adahal is "The Legal Center for Arab Minority Rights in Israel" and they are the ones handling all these cases pro bono against the ejections in EJ, the developements in amaji yaffa
including accountability for gaza and a whole slew of issues. i've donated to them in the past and they really need money. so DONATE. these people regularily end up representing palestinian interestes in front of the israeli supreme court (bil'in).
excellent report max!
i highly recommend Lawfare in Gaza: legislative attack by Eyal Weizman circa 1 - 03 - 2009 . a vital read covering The technologies of destruction, The technologies of warning, and The elastic limits of law, all designed to circumvent international law.
good catch phil, i also immediately thought of that interview from npr you linked yesterday in the khouri piece. seems the neocon Shalem Center is the go to place for israel spokespersons nowadays. aren't we lucky.
julian, no i do not, but if you post a video of palestinian's praising them in song
i'll watch it. celebrating gory death is probably not all it's cracked up to be.
oh my, i had no idea esther was so ruthless.
what did you mean by 'given right?' are you denying the children of palestinian refugees are not refugees? 194 refers to refugees does it not?
The United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA), an organ of the United Nations created to aid the displaced from the 1948 and the 1967 war defines a Palestinian refugee as a person "whose normal place of residence was Palestine between June 1946 and May 1948, or June 1967, who lost both their homes and means of livelihood as a result of the 1948 Arab-Israeli conflict". UNRWA's definition of a Palestinian refugee also covers the descendants of persons who became refugees in 1948[3] regardless of whether they reside in areas designated as refugee camps or in established, permanent communities.[4]
UNRWA is an organ of the UN, are you asserting 194 is in contravention of UNWRA/UN definition of palestinian refugees which includes their descendants?
The right of descendants of Palestinians from anywhere to reside in Israel is not the same as individuals that lived in Jaffa to return to somewhere in Jaffa.
witty, descendants of palestinian refugees are refugees, certainly you know that. otherwise obviously any country could simply ignore the geneva convention Article 13 until such time as all the original refugees are dead. i don't imagine anyone imagined this was going to be going on for so many decades but it has. that doesn't lesson the burden of honoring those rights, it only makes the burden tougher the longer it is not honored. instead of devaluing that right, israel should place a deserving value, one that refelects their own value of their homeland. do not pretend the land of israel has more value to jews than the region of palestine has to palestinians.
The right of return is not a given right.
do you mean 'god given' right? it refers to palestinians rights afforded in the geneva convention.
The right of return is guaranteed to refugees by the Universal Declaration of Human Rights which, in Article 13, states that “Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and return to his country,” and by the Fourth Geneva Convention among many other basic human rights instruments [for a more detailed discussion of the right of return in international law, see appendix, pg. 20]. Following their expulsion in 1948, it was specifically applied to the Palestinian refugees through UN Resolution 194, which demands that “the refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbors should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property....”The Resolution is explicit in leaving it up to individual refugees to choose whether they wish to return to their homes or accept compensation instead. The United States voted in favor of Resolution 194 every year until 1993 and this Resolution has been reaffirmed every year at the United Nations with near unanimity.
As a condition of being admitted as a member state of the United Nations, Israel agreed to implement the right of return laid out in UN Resolution 194. Resolution 273, which grants Israel membership is explicit about this requirement. Despite this commitment, Israel has consistently denied the right of return and passed laws in the late 1940s and early 1950s forbidding the return of refugees and expropriating their property.
The Fourth Geneva Convention prohibits the renunciation of rights .... Drafted in the aftermath of World War II, the Convention recognizes that a conqueror is often able to force a subjugated people to sign away their rights. Therefore, Article 8 forbids any renunciation, in whole or in part, of any of the rights it guarantees, including the right of return.
i am fairly certain what khouri said was "comprehensive peace", not "comprehensive piece". yes, every palestinian i ever talk to says the refugees is the issue. ROR is basically the most valuable thing the palestinians have and they are not giving it up. it is their right under international law. palestinians are not that gang ho about their own state, they want to go home. if they can't go home israel is going to have to offer them something really really big, otherwise the way they see it they have held on this long, they will just hold out longer. time is on their side, that is how they see it as it has been communicated to me. of course khouri knows this, he is palestinian, that is what all the palestinians say except the PA puppets&co.
Phil, fyi Khouri is Palestinian. of this i am absolutely certain because his sister Raghida is a very good friend of mine for over 20 years. he may have his Lebanese citizenship (he is/was editor of Beirut's Daily Star) but he is most definitely 100% Palestinian, family from Bethlehem as i recall.
i meant the green light. the last paragraph is a gem
i read this around 2 am last night and wanted to barf. what a lie.
in support of citizen's comment i would also like to offer we (humans) do not generally support, empower and otherwise nurture mental diseases. the same cannot be said of anti semitism thruout the ages.
what do you think of this photo julian?
Sin Nombre, while we've been inundated w/info about christian and muslim extremists we are shielded from information about judaism's fanatics. they are a crucial aspect of this conflict and physically situated (by design) smack dab in the middle of the most contested real estate on the planet. their political counterpart in israel is shas, the party who controls the housing ministry..the same party who approved the plan/permits for the new orthodox community in sheikh jarrah.
thanks for your post Phil. the counter group you describe reminds me of those across the street in front of the st francis in SF the night of our union square vigil for gaza, also the crowd who opposed us during aipac's fundraiser in SF. screaming obscenities thru microphones.
eh, sorry for the typo.
what a hopeful video. maybe there are more isralis than we know about who support the right of return.
Hopefully, Palestinian society will also afford Jewish minorities in Palestine, equal rights. A right of return, unlikely, no?
i would certainly advocate for any jews or their descendants who were displaced from their homes in hebron as a result of the founding of the state to be able to return.
transferring populations is illegal. israel must make amends. waiting til everyone is dead is a non starter. don't tell me it would be physically impossible while the state of israel is bribing russians to move into the golan and the west bank.
so, i take it you were against the boycott of SA and believe ending apartheid would have been more effective had the world just communicated? israel's not big on communicating, they relate more to slash and burn tactics. the israel way is “teach them a lesson” by bulldozing the house down. i'm not interested in teaching anybody a lesson i want results. i want this exposed, out in the open for all it's ugliness to pour out onto the table top like cards in a poker hand w/the chips on the table. i have no faith is israel to make a decent deal, they have had 60 years. i want change. it's put up or shut up time for israel, not more communication. if israel needs communication , you do it. tell them we are fed up, thanks.
the great thing about bsd is people can become active even if their congress people do not agree. i heard recently the bds movement only needs 400,000 plus signatures for a ballot initiative for the citizens of california to decide if the state wants to divest from israel in our state employees pension funds. we need to get israel on the ballot so people can have a voice. that or campaign reform. now that it costs an arm and a leg to run for office, opting out of voting for israel can be expensive in more ways than one.
ciao
potsherd, there is no coincidence here, it is a concerted effort by the national-religious (fanatics) to place roots right in the heart of the palestinian neighborhoods, just like hebron or EJ. once they arrive the police then have to 'protect' them and the curfews and checkpoints abound. this ghetto is where the last remaining vestiges of the population historic jaffa live. most of the palestinians of jaffa ended up as refugees in gaza. here is a diary by a palestinian israeli about ajami w/a really good description/background of the ghetto.
you prove it richard, don't ask shmuel to prove a negative. what is vague about boycotting Israeli institutions and the Israeli economy? it means if an israeli scholar comes to the US not in affiliation with nor funded by an israeli institution she/he is not part of the boycott.
Phil, i just attended an AMAZING 2 day interfaith conference in san anselmo. check out the STELLAR cast of speakers. this was hosted by Friends of Sabeel - North America, in affiliation w/International Friends of Sabeel.
the conference was sold out @ 400 people days before, many many professionals from different ecumenical backgrounds. there is a mobilization taking place that hasn't been there in the past according to the organizers who are going to have to look towards expanding venues due to sold out attendance. the church was packed and the response was overwhelming. the conference closed w/remi kanazi's forceful poetry and a prayer from Canon Naim Ateek from jerusalem. having to choose between workshops w/Jeff Halper, Omar Barghouti, and Norton Mezvinsky was challenging to say the least!. the conference is over but the seminary is hosting a nakba exibit today so i'm out the door. it is a traveling conference and the response has been overwhelming. if all these people go back to their respective churches and start focusing on i/p it cannot help but make a difference. oh, i can't forget mads gilbert, he brought down the house.
unfortunately the denver post did not link to The Kairos Document. it's worth a read.
ok, Great post, Phil. You’re at the forefront of the movement, a gifted communicator.
powerful phil, thanks
drip by fucking drip
we''ll win someday.
well i can see we disagree, don't mix children and war!
don't blame phil for the comment you are reacting to. the story is a reminder of the extent to which Israeli policies, carried out in the name of Jews, are breeding hatred in Europe. that sentiment aligns w/chas freeman's post post also.
young children shouldn't be learning about this conflict in schools unless it directly impacts their lives. the school system should step in and end this kind of 'education'. leave war for the adults.
i think it is very very sad. i also think children, whenever possible, should be shielded from politics. unfortunately for palestinian children that is impossible.
It’s Bronner quoting one side and then the other and not bothering to try and inform the reader
there is such a thing as confirming facts. reporting isn't just letting people's allegations stand.
Mr. Barkat says he has no hidden agenda gee, ya think bonner.The mayor, Nir Barkat, says he has the interests of the Palestinians in mind.
and what is this:
The negotiations offer a window into the Israeli-Palestinian conflict — the mistrust, the missed signals, the clash of cultures, the unequal power balance.
a window into the Israeli-Palestinian conflict might also include a consistent pattern of israel kicking the palestinians off their land and appropriating it. is this what bronner meant by a 'pincers operation' ?
'a jumble of houses'?? who the f talks like that?
By contrast, he says, Palestinians are migrating from the West Bank into Jerusalem for economic reasons.
the mayor is a liar.
The Jerusalem mayor is just a guy trying to bring about urban renewal and more parkland, best intentions in the world, and the Palestinians see him as a villain.
donald, this is not "up in the air". your impression is that a major has good intentions and the palestinians see him as a villan.
stop lying yonira. israel went to great lengths to use international law to commit war crimes (LAWFARE), not to evade civilian death. Lawfare in Gaza: legislative attack
'The technologies of warning' choice quote:
-more from sydney morning herald
Australians on the hunt for assassins .
yonira, i meant 'is achieved'. if an an equitable two state solution is achieved palestine will be free. but i have serious doubts that is possible given the 'facts on the ground' and israel's unwillingness to let go.
alexander hamilton
what kind of equitable state would allow it's resources to be controlled by its neighbor? it's security? 'my' movement is not the problem for achieving an equitable two states. we will settle for nothing less than equality, you should ask israel if they will relinquish control and don't bother your pretty head worrying about when 'my' movement will stop. look within.
me too.
Will your movement stop after a two state solution is reached?
don't you mean if? if an an equitable two state solution is reached palestine will be free. does that answer your question?
excellent. solidarity with every breath we take until palestine is free.
nix that re saic. he's so slick. he's a narrative man.
In 1993 Senor did an internship[9] at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, a powerful pro-Israel lobby organization which some regard as being affiliated to the Likud party. AIPAC's website quotes him as saying: "Whether I was learning the ins and outs of Washington with my fellow interns or attending briefings on Capitol Hill, my internship at AIPAC prepared me for my work in politics". His sister, Wendy Senor Singer, heads AIPAC's office in Jerusalem. His brother-in-law, Saul Singer, is the very right-wing opinion editor of the Jerusalem Post.
sourcewatch
good old dan, i remember him well from his pr days in iraq. didn't he used to work for SAIC also?
shit, i wish i would remember to proofread my posts. oh well, maybe my double post will draw more attention to the neocon swineflu conspiracy!
speaking of swine flu, i recall when the whole swine flu thing erupted reading rumsfeld was seriously invested in the vaccine. google swine flu rumsfeld to read all about it and don't miss the video wonkette linked to. there a neocon swine flu vaccine promotion/connection history which included lots of government funding flowing into somebodies coffers.
i like your blog pamela. nice hat tip to mondoweiss.
gee wondering jew, so good of you to correct the one flaw in those descriptions.
you're right, i should just stay out of this. sorry . sometimes i overreact.
bruce, if I-P is hardly on the top of your list of concerns these days why are you here? you are glibly pompous and it's a bore, rather dime a dozen actually. palestinians have chose a strategy that they believe will work. it is calling on the global community to boycott israel and there's lots of mobilization going on. maybe israel should come up w/a working strategy besides sending out teams of pr hasbara tools and running a brutal occupation that in turn makes them the least liked country on the planet. and asserting 1/2 the progressives support israel's actions if ridiculous. you can call yourself anything you want, but progressives don't support apartheid.
do us a favor, run along and blog about something that is on your list of concerns, somewhere else preferably.
i bookmarked it when i first read it (possibly on this site) because i suspected we were going to be reading more about lawfare in the near future, i just didn't expect to hear it used by israel supporters claiming more israeli victimhood (silly me).
i went to hear Huwaida Arraf speak recently. i knew she taught Humanitarian Law at Al Quds University at one time and because of this i asked her if she was familiar w/this new 'lawfare' as it was employed against civilians in gaza but she had not heard of it.
this upcoming conference is a farce. i hope activists get the word out on this lawfare and who it's true victims are.
cheryl, thanks for the link. did you perhaps mean 2004 instead of 1994?
this is the same thing jeff halper is writing about in Israel's undermining of International Law .
from their website
what a farce. we all know who is misapplying human rights laws to justify killing civilians. phil you should send them an email and tell them you are on to them.
from the section called The elastic limits of law (same Eyal Weizman link)
they are trying to get out in front of the term lawfare to associate it w/israel's victims. what scum.
i think it started before that potsherd. the use of lawfare was instrumental in developing the dahiya doctrine. they are accusing their enemies of practicing that in which they specialize. this excellent link Lawfare in Gaza: legislative attack' by Eyal Weizman describes how the process of warning civilians of an impending attack was by design an escape from consequences of war crimes.
there is lots in this link..
i thought they were saying Ztruth.
there need be no encounter w/israel yonira. they will be entering on international waters. israel has no legal authority to block gaza thru the sea passage. implying humanitarian aid for gaza is somehow bad for israel, claiming the Gaza war was good for Mondoweiss? what next? is peace the enemy of mondoweiss? to conflate those who bring aid to the weak are consumed by hatred is just silly. next you will claim israel's massacre in gaza was just 'tough love' and the occupation/blockade is a form of endearment.
thanks tree, that link is great resource and i've bookmarked it. thanks for the titles also.
now that i have finished reading 'What do Palestinians and Arab-Jews Have in Common?' i'm beginning to understand the twisted logic behind this 'transfer' of property of iraqi jews for that of palestinians, the origins of this idea (prior to the 'expulsion' of jews from iraq), how israel nationalized their debt collectively (even as those in the diaspora rejected this nationalization) and how they have used this to facilitate not compensating palestinians or justifying their theft is insane. using arab property (whether it be jewish or palestinian) as somehow interchangeable and using it to morally justify taking over the land of palestine and manipulating that compensation away from individuals for the sake of state appropriations...it is a good read. no wonder posters like yonira and the other hasbara trolls constantly bring up this compensation. it is a well oiled machine israel has been hammering away on for decades. even before the expulsions took place it was contemplated. what a farce.
i know, i was pulling your leg. israel likes to entice newcomers by offering great deals on stolen land. whoda thunk rightwing americans and russians would find themselves staking out their own territory together on stolen land just years after the cold war?
thanks of for the 'hitching' link.. the other one is not opening for me tho but in my search for it i ran into one of shenhav's papers What do Palestinians and Arab-Jews Have in Common? . i have not finished it yet but having just reviewed some of Naeim Giladi's writing and having an interest in the history of iraqis jews it provides context i've thus far not encountered. could you check your second link for me please?
actually, i am not sure if that is the point. i don't exactly know how or why palestinians have anything to do w/settling the scores of Mizrahim who were forced out of arab countries. i certainly don't think it was uniform in the same way palestinians were exiled. how they were treated once they arrived in israel is another issue altogether which Naeim Giladi has written about. remember there was colonial rule or coersion thruout the middle east at the time and i think it would be a mistake to not recognize a degree of collusion of zionists to 'encourage' immigration. i am not arguing against compersation where it is applicable, i'm just not understanding why or how is it relevant wrt any peace deal w/palestinians. unless there's something i'm missing here.
julian somehow alludes this has something to do w/goldstone? obviously it has nothing to do w/the gaza massacre.
whoops, i realize now that is what you meant by 'another dimension' shmuel. i misinterpreted your comment just now but you spoke of this in the post also.
shmuel , the connection of palestinians on both sides of the green line goes without saying. it is the potential of this interconnectedness i find more intriguing:
"Because of the connection between Palestinians and Mizrahim. You can't understand the conflict without talking about this connection between two types of Arab refugees
i also think its cool he's changing his name back to Shaharabani.
although not what their previous (before moving to settlements) voting patterns were.
do you mean when they voted in russia or the states?
what an amazing interview. his framing doesn't skip a beat and the way it culminates in an identical view as my own ('We’re not living in a Jewish and democratic state, we’re living in a single space in which Israel exerts de facto sovereignty from the sea to the Jordan River' tho approaching it from a very different angle is thought provoking. i wonder how his opinion might have matured differently had he not spent so many years masking his ethnic identity. he seems to have reached an epiphany that night in October 2000 after the political event. i'll have to re read this interview a few times. thanks for posting.
dan, could you please link to one of these Iranian dissidents reports. i'm not finding anything recent in their search engine aside from one little blurb from 12/29 and it doesn't soften up..
i didn't mean to imply all fatah were corrupt. the PA is corrupt and they are fatah. i am certain there are many honorable fatah members.
Abbas is obviously deeply involved in this given his long term ties with the Palestinians involved.
Abbas is likely involved in this given his long term ties with the Israelis involved.
re ex-Hamas (turncoats) people,
in general hamas is not known for turncoats, they are not affiliated w/the quislings, it is fatah who are corrupt.
that is likely why hamas won the election, what you see is what you get. if they could be bought israel wouln't be imprisoning and assassinating them.
here are some of farrow's menorahs. i think perhaps merino ripped him off. farrow lives in marin but he's originally from brooklyn. i'm a fan to say the least.
if you like merino's piece you'll go apeshit over al farrow. check out his synagogue. i first saw his work a the de young in san francisco. it's mindblowing. mostly all religious sculpture made from weapons.
so les, here's the interview. not seeing anything about "makes it clear that Mahmoud Abbas was working with Israel on recruiting the turncoat Hamas members of the assassination team". this is one of the reason hamas is popular with palestinians. generally they are not known for working for israel, unlike the PA. nice try tho.
PAUL McGEOUGH: Well, perhaps more significant than the significance of the dead man is two living Palestinians who were arrested in Jordan and handed over by the Jordanians to the Dubai authorities. The only two alleged perpetrators of this murder that the Dubai authorities hold are two Palestinians who, it seems, according to reports coming out of Gaza, previously worked for the Mahmoud Abbas. That’s the Fatah Palestinian Authority-controlled security services who are so anti-Hamas. It means that within the politics of the Palestinian community, you have the makings of a very serious and very nasty charge of collaboration on the part of Mahmoud Abbas, or those around him, in terms of the extent to which they might have been helping the Israelis to eliminate a Hamas cadre.
The author of Kill Khalid, Austrailian newspaper reporter Paul McGeough, makes it clear that Mahmoud Abbas was working with Israel on recruiting the turncoat Hamas members of the assassination team
are you positive? link? they have already posted the names and if they were abbas and Dahlan hitmen that doesn't sound like hamas to me. wrong team. they are fatah.
if the Israelis obtained duplicate passports from the UK issuing authority, rather than forging the passports, this might also suggest deeper involvement of the UK authorities than has been represented.
considering so far virtually nothing has been presented aside from the assertions of the israeli government. one lone anonymous "British security source" (who could be anyone and not even a government employee) who allegedly, according to the daily mail "has a track record of providing reliable information" ..."told the Daily Mail":
'This is a serving member of Israeli intelligence. 'He says the British Government was told very, very briefly before the operation what was going to happen. There was no British involvement and they didn't know the name of the target. But they were told these people were travelling on UK passports.'
tha daily mail has one supposed reliable source claiming a serving member of Israeli intelligence claims they told the UK. plus haaretz who probably also got their info from israeli sources. so what has 'been presented' is israeli claims. pardon me, but until some british source comes forward and hints they heard from someone other than an israeli..i'm not buying it. i don't care if it was very, very briefly before the event or very, very, very, very briefly before the event. it sounds like total bullshit to me.
the UK denies it, the daily mails sources source was a mossad operative, the haaratz headline and byline were both misleading because neither of them made clear the only source thus far is israel. the byline states :"U.K. denies Daily Mail claims Israeli spies tipped ......" when it wasn't the daily mail that claimed it, it was the daily mail's source claiming a mossad agent claimed it.
what a farce. this is so israel. propaganda artists d'jour. i'll believe it when i see it.
please check your daily star link, it isn't opening for me. thanks
finally ! tomatoes were first domesticated by the indigenous people in south america who were likely eating them for centuries before cortez brought them to europe.
this is exactly the segment i used when i just linked to this article elsewhere. totally cracks me up.
sorry, what came over me. this agenda is insane. literally insane. i almost can't believe we are reading this in the nyt. to many blockquotes to repeat. the article, or the implications of the article if this is true is just desperado, what more can i say.
you are so hot phil. have i told you that lately.
wow, brilliant. masterful writing.
reminds me...
i like anonymous posters.
i read it differently. i wondered why israelis hate us since we 'congress' does everything they want.
i tried to post a comment on that site w/no luck. the hasbara in the comment section is overwhelming.
step away from the computer radii. indoctrinated into a culture that cherishes bloodlust?
we don't need those kinds of implications floating around anywhere. there is not going to be any morphing in america putting all jews in danger. pleeease!
of course it's a big deal. during the gaza slaughter the big middle eastern economic summit completely flipped their agenda and the whole thing revolved around gaza. it just one of the zionist talking pts the arab states don't care. somebody needs to do something, obviously. i'm writing the WH again today.
i'm on the edge of my seat anticipating how the hasbara is going to be ratcheted up and customized for an american audience in the run up to our election which unsurprisingly kinda coincides with the end of the 10 month 'freeze', but not quite. the month of october the 'freeze' is up so will we be arguing over a new building boom on the eve of elections or 'transfers'? when did population transfers become part and parcel of negotiations for a palestinian state?
have they no decency?
special access for price tag attacks
what an incredible coincidence this historical trail that would connect various archeological sites just happens to run parallel to the jordanian border.
or clipping his toenails
‘The Arabs and Muslims are victims of an imperialist-Zionist conspiracy aided by reactionary regimes in the Arab world. It has as its goal keeping the Arabs and Muslims backward in order to exploit their oil riches and prevent them from becoming as strong as they used to be in the Middle Ages — because that is dangerous for Israel and Western interests."
count me in, sounds about right to me. i don't think this narrative is limited to middle easterners, i think it is increasingly becoming clear it is the reality and anyone who doesn't know it by now has been living under a rock.
the fragile democratizing trends in Iraq
lol, trends???? maybe he thinks we don't know the whole democracy gambit is imploding this very minute in iraq w/al maliki preventing hundreds of candidates from running in the upcoming fast approaching election including the 2 most popular secularists in his own party!
lol, thank you taxi. this is a fun way to start my day.
i noticed that too. this movement is very happening, the beautiful people are part of it.
thank you alex..awesome video!
btw, did you place the 'embedded' url in the text? the one that starts and ends w/'object' in the upper right hand box @ the you tube link?
great post alex, a big thanks and happy bsd valentine's day to you
Here’s a video of three activists doing their rendition of Beyonce’s hit:
where? i want to watch it.
re smarts: you have to ask? besides zionism didn't fuck up the jews, jews fucked up zionism. there is something to be said about the kind of 'smarts' it takes to realize we are all in this together, 'we' being humanity.
no worries, no one is comparing you to weiss. at least not any of us i would imagine.
runs the risk of inciting anti-Semitism among the masses of people who are not sophisticated enough to distinguish between Zionists and “the Jews” in general.
yes, well this whole islamofascists meme by design is meant to incite racist thought. movies like fitna and this campus watch group that travels the country warning against the ills of islam targets ( again by design) people who are not sophisticated enough to distinguish between muslims, palestinians, arabs and 'terrorists'. these images and characters hollywood keeps pumping out demonizing arabs as terrorists is no coincidence. racism is an infectious disease but i think as a society we have evolved since the civil rights movement. our children today grow up in a more multicultural environment. maybe not in pockets of the midwest or the south or in many places but in general i don't think jews are at the bottom of the pecking order. besides they have a few contacts in the msm and the government that gives them some advantages in the image category. i wouldn't worry about it too much at this juncture. something tells me the masses won't be going after anyone because most of the masses in this country are part of other ethnic groups who are targets also. when the white nationalists start grabbing their guns we're all gonna be shit outta luck.
' You cut your toenails and a couple weeks later, you’ve got to do it again.' and that breathing comment..as if murdering palestinians was just a perfectly natural necessary self sustaining requirement of life.
Actually cutting the grass reminds me of the words of Defense Minister General Dayan, authenticated by historians and by General Dayan's daughter Yael Dayan, at one time a member of Parliament, and published in the newspaper Yediot Ahronot. He asserted the kibbutz residents who pressed the Government to take the Golan Heights did so less for security than for the farmland.
"I know how at least 80 percent of the clashes there started. In my opinion, more than 80 percent, but let's talk about 80 percent. It went this way: We would send a tractor to plow some area where it wasn't possible to do anything, in the demilitarized area, and knew in advance that the Syrians would start to shoot. If they didn't shoot, we would tell the tractor to advance farther, until in the end the Syrians would get annoyed and shoot. And then we would use artillery and later the air force also, and that's how it was.''
everyone knows mowing the grass stimulates growth. it has served israel very well.
yeah, no one gave a crap about the holy land til zionists appeared on the scene to rescue the place.
amend..i meant 'big shot'..actually i really meant big mouth starting rumors.. gossipers.
'The word'? whose word? source? do mean 'your word'? lol. if this was such a 'premiere place' in the heart of the holy land for the dregs of society one would imagine there would be some documentation to support this outlandish comment. cough it up bug shot.
not according to jewlisious's post about israel's $1 billion sex trade industry wondering jew. they claim in jerusalem most of the trade operates out of clubs and private apartments, 'health clubs' the street prostitution operate out of tel aviv.
jerusalem.com (tourism) describes..
Independence Park (Gan Ha'atzmaut)
..an enormous plot of useful land in the city center, right next to the business district, as a public park for the enjoyment of all Jerusalem's citizens. Thus was founded Gan Ha'atzmaut (Independence Park), a vast expanse of rarely seen grass and rolling hillocks in the heart of Jerusalem.
The park, bounded by Agron Street, King George Street, Hillel Street and Menashe Ben Yisrael Street, serves as a meeting and relaxation place for Jerusalemites of all stripes, and it sees use all through the day and night (at night, however, it is probably best avoided, like most large, poorly-lit parks).
City events are often held in the park, including concerts (the Student Day shows draw thousands) and rallies (including the Jerusalem Open House's gay pride rallies). On a sunny day, it's the perfect spot for a picnic or an outdoor lunch brought from one of the many nearby restaurants.
if you and yonira want to peddle this idea the ' heart of jerusalem' is best known for drugs and prostitution..provide a source. so far a google search for Gan Ha’atzmaut or Independence Park/prostitution only lead right here. to this site. thanks to you and yonira. lol.