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Here's another barometer revealing American Jewish activity and concern--the fact that Twitter is fighting for free speech and personal privacy, while Google and Facebook are partnering with both government and the usual zealots to muzzle content on social internet pursuits--not sure about which way the pressure is dropping:
link to forward.com
Interesting that I had to get this info from the Forward, not the US mainsteam media.
Yep, Avi_G, we all know that worked in Lebanon. Got those remainder US Marines out of there pretty quick too.
But who will confront the US Black Caucus on this?
Israeli Interior Minister says blacks don't realize Israel belongs to "the white man."
link to haaretz.com
Mmmm, wonder what David Duke has to say about this POV?
Took the Black Caucus in US Congress.... Al Sharpton?
Step back, think about it, any Americans here, can you imagine that in this day and age, our forefathers, those who stood under the banner, "Don't Tread On Me," would be happily paying for what Israel has wrought?
That The Exodus is a myth has long been rationally argued by a significant number of historians combined with archeologists. Israeli land strata is ignored today by Jewish archeologists, diggers, when it refutes Jewish myth. Logical questions, e.g., "Gee, if the people who've lived in the former Mandate of Palestine for thousands of years, have no right to said land, then what right does an American Jew born in Brooklyn in 1990 with a family line who immigrated from Poland in the 20th Century have to said land?"
The next logical question left unanswered by the world PTB, led by the USA, is: "What did the Palestinians people have to do with what Hitler did during his regime?"
Real politic is real in that it is bloody, and led by the spirit of Herman Goering, which does not mean it's not a fantasy, but rather that controlled and manipulated ignorance means adults are easily made to pay for the Tooth Fairy.
Who will force Israel and US to pay for lion's share for 5 M refugees? Nobody. Who will pay actually in any event, USA! There is no way Israel will B accountable for what it does so long as the average American allows its reps to be bought by AIPAC et al, and a precondition of this, the current status quo in USA, is that the USA mainstream media is effectively controlled, as majority share-owned by #IsraelFirst American Jews who have the highest priority a foreign state, Israel.
Freud's cousin, Bernays, the father of modern Marketing, agreed with Hitler, who himself deduced the The Big Lie from Allied propaganda against "The Hun" in WW1.
Hitler figured out, and wrote about it in the pages of Mein Kampf, that most people only allow themselves "little white lies," so cannot imagine the chutzpah that is the Big Lie. Goebbels, of course, remains the most efficient student of Bernays, in the arena of government Big Lies. Of course again, he worked within a dictatorship. The American government and mainstream media today work Hitler-Bernays-Goebbels seamlessly. So Dick and Jane think they are coming when they are going, and visa versa. BTW, Bernays is famous for addicting millions of Americans to smoking cigarettes--not for nothing was he related to Freud: His idea was: Bare-legged young ladies parading in NYC smoking cigs! Lucky Strike!
MHughes, are these aspects not often intertwined?
Interesting to return to those days of yesteryear, read old news articles circa late 1930s re Germany, Japan, Stalin's USSR. In 50 years, imagine the world writing about the US and Israel's antics now. Well, as Shurb Jr said, "You can scribble now and later, I am the doer now."
Reminds me of Hitler's thoughts in the matter. They were the same. At dinner, prompted by a question concerning world opinion, he laughed and said, "Who remembers the Armenians?" As a boy, Hitler greatly enjoyed German pulp fiction regarding the romantic native American Indian wars. Old Shatterhand was his fav character. Does anyone else get the HEADY feeling we are headed for WW3? And just like WW2 was juiced by aftermath of WW1, WW2's aftermath (Israel, not Nuremberg Trials, largely ignored) is juicing WW3?
Trumpeldor died in what is generally recognized as the opening battle in the I-P Conflict in March, 1920. Who started the fight remains unclear to this day: link to en.wikipedia.org
proudzionist777, yes, you certainly do believe a single eyewitness to the massacre. As I already said, the Shaw Report was based on many more eyewitnesses from both sides, who were subject to cross-examination ( "hearing 120 witnesses in public testimony, and 20 behind closed doors") unlike Mr Van Paassen, who wrote a book describing the single factual incident you referenced therein. As I also said, there were inflammatory publications produced on both sides leading up to the massacre.
So, no comment on the conclusions of the Shaw Report as to contextual cause for the Arab uprisings, and as to that Report's recommendations?
Further, re your conclusion to your response to my original comment: "Sounds to me like the 1929 massacre of Jews by Arabs was very well planned."
I refer you back to the Shaw Report which plainly said that the root of the Arab uprisings in the 1920s was that the local Arabs at the time were a part of a basically feudal farming system and they found themselves ejected from the land they had farmed for centuries because the remote Arab landowners who sold the land to the new Jews there, relying on the Jewish authorities at the time promising they would not leave the local tenant farmers berift of a way to make a survival living. In short, the Arabs were desperate to survive and nobody was helping them, instead those with power were hindering them by favoring the new Jews. The Shaw Report recommended a change in this policy. That's the gist of the Shaw Report's conclusion.
@proudzionist777,
Your link provides one source of what you say happened regarding a single incident at Hebron on August 29, 1929 re what you said about photographs being handed out--this from a single alleged event, from a single book by a single person, which you magically transform into an Arab planned event writ large. In comparison, the Shaw report resulted from an objective hearing with eye witness evidence from both sides as to the massacre and what caused it:
(From Wiki:) "The aim of the report was to look into the reasons for the violent rioting in Palestine in late August 1929. The commission of enquiry took public evidence for several weeks, from the first hearing on 25 October to 29 December, hearing 120 witnesses in public testimony, and 20 behind closed doors. Though hearing the claims of both sides, the Commission made its recommendations primarily on the basis of material submitted by Mandatory officials[2]
A survivor mourning in the aftermath of the masscare in Hebron.
The Commission addressed two aspects of the disturbances, the immediate nature of the riots and the causes behind them. In the words of Naomi COHEN (caps mine):-
‘Delving beneath the immediate causes – i.e., the Western Wall dispute, INFLAMMATORY PUBLICATIONS ON BOTH SIDES (caps mine), the enlargement of the Jewish Agency, inadequate forces to maintain order, the report called attention to the underlying causes of friction in England’s wartime pledges and in the anti-Jewish hostility that had resulted from the political and economic frustrations of the Arabs. It went on to criticise the immigration and land-purchase policies that, it said, GAVE JEWS UNFAIR ADVANTAGES (my caps). The commission also recommended that the British take greater care in protecting the rights and understanding the aspirations of the Arabs. The Shaw report was a blow to Zionists everywhere,’[3]."
proudzionist777 , why don't you go to the source I link, after rereading what my earlier comment says?
'There is incontestable evidence that in the matter of immigration there has been a serious departure by the Jewish authorities from the doctrine accepted by the Zionist Organization in 1922 that immigration should be regulated by the economic capacity of Palestine to absorb new arrivals.
▪ Between 1921 and 1929 there were large sales of land in consequence of which numbers of Arabs were evicted without the provision of other land for their occupation. ... The position is now acute. There is no alternative land to which persons evicted can remove. In consequence a landless and discontented class is being created. Such a class is a potential danger to the country.
▪ The fundamental cause, without which in our opinion disturbances either would not occurred or would not have been little more than a local riot, is the Arab feeling of animosity and hostility towards the Jews consequent upon the disappointment of their political and national aspirations and fear for their economic future. ... The feeling as it exists today is based on the twofold fear of the Arabs that by Jewish immigration and land purchases they may be deprived of their livelihood and in time pass under the political domination of the Jews.'
link to en.wikipedia.org
PS: The Shaw Report also states that the Arab massacre of Jews in 1929 was a spontaneous reaction, re what is said above about the 1920s and the Wailing Wall aspect in '29--were not planned, and the Mufti was innocent too in this respect.
As I mentioned early, the 1920s saw a significant increase in Jewish settlers. And it looks like proudzionist777 is correct, as reactive Arabs appear to have most of the terrorizing during the 1920s--4 out of the 5 terrorist incidents during this decade. I very quickly skimmed a timeline of terrorist massacres from 3/1/20 to 5/14/48, in the Palestine Mandate, according to Wiki, and the score was 33 were initiated by Arabs, and 52, by Jews. All the others were attributed to both sides: link to en.wikipedia.org
Somebody else may have more time at the moment to double check my figures, and also go into the footnotes attendant ambiguity of "who started it" is debated when it's not clear as to any particular massacre.
heartbeatt--did you read the link I provided? For some reason it doesn't hot link on MW, but you can just c & p it into your brower url bar and it will take you to the article on 777 and its use, including as part of an internet moniker. The article mentions nothing about white supremacy and hate groups. It does mentions Jewish kaballah and Christian number nut stuff.
Apparently 777 means different things to different people: link to sites.google.com
proudzionist777,
Re your request to hear about the Jewish terrorists who operated against Palestinian Arabs during the 1920′s:
First, your question was already answered in detail on this blog by Hostage, responding to eee:link to mondoweiss.net
And what's your point anyway? Compared to the native population of Palestine, very few Jews came to that land before the end of WW1, after which time, the Jewish settler population quickly doubled the total cumulative number of Zionists that had come in all years prior, so that by the end of the 1920s the Jews felt they had enough population there to increasingly terrorize the natives, which they commenced to do, escalating their terrorism through the 1930s, and thereafter, whenever the timing looked right. All towards practical implementation of the Zionist plan from its inception:
"The first Zionist settlement in Palestine was founded with the financial help of Edmond James de Rothschild (1845-1934), a French financier who assisted a small group of the Russian Bilu Jewish Society to immigrate to Palestine in 1882. This Philanthropist sponsored a few more tiny settlements at the time such as Gai Oni, Roch Pina, Zichron-Ya’acov (which he named after his grandfather) and Rishon Letzion with settlers from around Eastern Europe.
The single aim of all these settlements and their planners who envisioned them was to slowly and secretly transfer, drive out and ethnically cleanse Palestine of its indigenous people." link to 1948.org.uk
RE: "The fight for Iraq happened because it was something Bush wanted, not something that Israel wanted."
Yes, Israel had a different strategy than Bush Jr because Israel preferred, and argued the US should attack Iran first because it was the main, bigger enemy, while Bush Jr thought Iraq should be attacked first because it was weaker, and regime change there would be had on the cheap.
link to commondreams.org
RE: "The fight for Iraq happened because it was something Bush wanted, not something that Israel wanted. He was determined to do the job he thought his father hadn’t. It also meant a lot of money for Cheney and his business associates at Halliburton."
Yes, there was a difference of opinion on the best strategy, given that any attack would destabilize the region, with Bush Jr & Company favoring the US taking out Iraq first as the weaker enemy, and Israel favoring the US taking out Iran first--because Israel thought Iran was the main threat.
link to commondreams.org
There's ample evidence that Bush Jr & the necons' unilateral invasion of Iraq is the biggest foreign policy mistake in US history, and that the original justification for it, Iraqi WMDs, was a Big Lie and known to be so at the time. I fail to see how the event lives up to America's highest values.
And here is one of the many comments under the Haaretz article:
My "Visit" to Tel Aviv
By Rami 05 Jun 201211:31AM
In 2009 I was asked to open my Hotmail. The lady at Ben Gurion was not very nice lol.
Exactly, Kathleen.
Kathleen, yes, who are Najwa and Sasha's US reps in congress? Give us the data & we will link this site, and say in proper nice English, WTHF?
I'm so fucking mad I could die. I pay for this? Americans have died and sacrificed so much--for this? If I were god I would immediately cancel all cash, loan guarantees, interest, and diplomatic cover favoring Israel. Let it go swim or sink in the waters it has made.
That such op-eds are not addressed by, and made available to, the American masses by US mainstream media is a key reason why the whole world knows the real Israel except the Americans allowing their government to enable Israel's conduct. Here's one guy saying America has reached a tipping point re its support for Israel, and another guy who says the facts don't really reveal we're even close as a people to reaching that tipping point--this subject has been much debated in a more secondary manner here on Mondoweiss for a long time, mostly after Walt & Mearsheimer came out with their book here: link to america-hijacked.com
Well, Phil, my parents were life-long Roman Catholics, my mother saying a rosary every day until she died, and she wanted me to go from altar boy to priest. I love her with all my heart. But she was naive politically. My Dad lived on, stoic, after her death until the age of 91, living by himself. But the Catholic Church priests who performed and hid sexual crimes against young Catholic boys--was his turning point. He died a few years ago, no longer a believer, but actually, a rebel against the Catholic Church. He had grown up well aware of the Protestant elite and how Catholics were, for a long time, the official untermenschen. Me? I left the Catholics in my mind at age 14. I left the Christian Establishment at age 20, I left the Jewish Establishment at age 25. I had to get to know them first, difficult for any one of 98% America. You won't find them in the US Military, or in most jobs available to most Americans. I am not alone. My name is, increasingly--thanks to the internet, not Main Media, legion.
Well, gee, curb your enthusiasm. What does Larry David have to say? It's not here: link to thedailybeast.com
Perhaps Larry could do a skit for Seinfeld that would give his stratum POV, as if we don't already know from his past history. "Goys, who can figure?" The only salient bent is they are subhuman.
No, the framing of the issue presented is key. Meanwhile, I read today that the new Egypt is allowing Palestinian Airlines to operate, which means Gazans will not have to trek to Cairo any longer to board an airplane (whether thru tunnels or otherwise). Why is this not more in the news? Because it reveals the Arab Spring is real, despite its curbs due to Egyptian military dependence on US tax dollars?
Habara infecting Ireland has conflated right to travel and play one's music with BDS, which is a totally volunteer campaign. Do U really wish to play in Israel and allow the Israeli ministry of disinformation to use U as a tool to say to the World, " See? We are a normal country The Irish just love us?" Irish folks, if anybody knows how unjustly rogue Israel is, it should be You: link to zazafl.wordpress.com
So seafoid, how does Ellen's comment about blood diamonds fit into your POV?
Imagine if the US sanctioned and boycotted Israel like it's doing to Iran, so long as Israel does not join the NNPA, allow full inspections of its nuclear sites and continues with its illegal Israeli settlements? And if US cracked down on US NGOs that may be seen in any view as aiding and abetting those settlers? Now that's an agenda worth living for, eh? Justice and Sincerity is its middle name.
Quit projecting your own bile onto me, Mooser. Phil wrote of his being told to write different stuff less critical of Israel or get another job. In short, he was personally burned in the most practical manner, for writing stuff critical of Israel, and this prompted him to start his own blog--so he had an avenue to keep up his critical eye and spread awareness. This is exactly what he has achieved. This has nothing to do with settling old scores or psychological issues. It has everything to do with Phil deciding not to be a hasbara propagandist, and instead, be a conduit for free discussion of controversial issues very important to the future of the US, Israel, and the World.
From Wiki on media coverage of Bahrain uprising:
Western governments and organisations have generally expressed more magnanimity toward the Bahraini government, seen as a key ally of the European Union and the United States and a bulwark against nearby Iran, than they have toward other governments accused of violating the human rights of protesters during the Arab Spring.[240][241][242] The United States and the United Kingdom have condemned the use of violence by Bahraini authorities. They did not call for regime change or threaten sanctions.[243][244]
If you ask them if we should also do military intervention in Bahrain, for example, they just ignore you. Do they even know there's a rebellion going on there?
American, my perception is the same as yours, with the caveat that Christian fundies, whether they think of themselves as Zionists or not, or even ever read a single word about the historic Zionist movement (not), have a knee jerk reaction that goes something like this: "God says the Jews are chosen; we must defend Israel at all costs (enter bible passage), Muslims want Sharia Law here, sure there's some bad Jews, but there's a few bad apples in every bunch, God's will will be done; praise Jesus, for he is the way. I hope you find The Truth (as I have done)--I will pray for you."
The ones I know are generally upright, good-hearted, intelligent, wary of government, and cynical about it, about politics, except that cynicism does not extend to anything concerning Israel.
Yes, the US media elite has figured out the many ways to burn the books where we never hear, see, or smell the constant burnings. That's why Phil started this blog in the first place. He was personally burned. This has been going on in the literary world for a very long time, and now the mass consumption media world has caught up--even the world of the nerds.
Winnica, yes, it's true, even Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan, and Stalin's USSR did not commit only evil. Your point?
Theo, there is much less excuse today to excuse ignorance anywhere today than there was in Weimar or Nazi Germany.
Yeah, well Fredblogs, that assumes Dick & Jane will continue their ignorant acts; you may be right in counting on their ignorance.
I use it all the time; on Twitter there's a hashmark for it: #IsraelFirst
Succinct, to the point and encompassing all motivations.
Exactly right, Denis! Thanks for stating the obvious, something the US government avoids at all costs when it comes to anything Israel.
Romney could have been replaced in any of his old jobs, for a lot less money, by any one of thousands of Japanese CEO types. Seems to me creative destruction is as much about moving wealth around, as it is about replacing workers with machines; you think any of our great leaders like Clinton, for example, ever thought about how his trade agreements would move jobs to China?
Yes, Ron Paul has one big donor, Thiel; here's his one big donor in context of all the rest of the super pac donors: link to cbsnews.com
HeY, I WAS taught as an American, that Jews excelled in irony.
Yes, Annie; pretty hard to bring tears to these old eyes.
RE: "I made arrangements to go to Canada, if necessary, and swore to myself that if I did end up in the military I would desert."
Well, so we know you were not The Underground Man, more a Hero of those times lacking all caprice, ready to dodge the draft, no matter what cost to anyone else. Why almost straight out of Lermentov! Even more, a regular family tradition, you add. I will take your word for all that.
Dostoevsky himself went to prison for his ideas, 4 years, Then he served in the army, again 4 years--both in Siberia.
I was told I was the first person in the history of Fort Knox basic training to decline OCS. I was diverted therefore from engineering school at Ft Belvoir to what amounted at the time to the army penal colony: Ft Leonard Wood, the combat engineers. Later, I was transferred from one pioneer company to another, as well as being demoted and otherwise punished for punching a second lieutenant in the face. And you, Mooser, don't know me for I was spit on in Chicago by students of Roosevelt University, and also beat with a baton by the Chicago Police in Grant Park--at the time I had to trek though that Park to get to that university, where I was studying Doestovesky's works, taught by a very old Jew from Kiev
The perspective comes, if you have a rational mind, from the fact that if 58,000 Americans died, many more actually participated in the Vietnam War, many more than the few dozen you allude to as committing atrocities like Calley's command did. Nevertheless, The Winter Soldier Investigation revealed Calley's incident may have been commonplace. Personally, I bet it was more so, than not--because most US casualties came from booby traps and the US soldiers could literally not tell who was the enemy. Try real hard, think back to when you were 19, and how much judgment you had, and add on: when your own life was in constant danger. Now add on the US policy of "a war of attrition." No excuses, Woody, but you don't strike me as as a guy who has the slightest notion or feeling for being a common grunt finding themselves in the US combat arms at age 19. Still, I have followed you on this blog, and nearly always agree with your assessment of whatever topic. Can you source what you say about how commonplace Mai Lai type atrocities were from those Freedom Of Information files you say so support your view as to commonplace of such atrocities?
Just asking. I am not going to defend the average US soldier in Vietnam from your hatred. I experienced such hatred--before the Mai Lai incident came to public awareness, in 1969. And I certainly don't defend the US war in Vietnam, which was based on the Domino Theory of USSR encroachment. I just don't think you yourself have ever been tested as young adults, average age 19, were. And those who spit on them, and me, in front of my eyes I know for a fact did not have the slightest clue--they were privileged kids. BTW, in additional to being spit on by college students as an X-Army kid, back in the day, I was beaten by Chicago cops for being a hippy-peacenik in Grant Park. At the time I attended Roosevelt University. At the time, I was reading Doiesoyevski's The Devils (The Possessed). It was cold. I wore my old army field jacket. It was the only one I had.
Woody,
Re: "Of the dozens of others who were guilty? Nothing. Not even that slap on the wrist."
True, now put your own observation in perspective. Just looking at those Americans who died in the Vietnam War: 58,000? The reality is most American kids (average age 19) who fought in that war never did anything like Lt Calley's command did. Nobody I know who served when I did would have followed Calley's command. Did you forget about all the fraggings of officers? I do agree with you that "in this day and age, one needs only spend a few focused hours on the internet to understand a little of what’s really going on." No young American in 2012 should join the US Military.
If that happened, what do you think would happen as a practical and politically astute matter? I can't wait for your response.
Also, I gather you were not in the US combat forces during the Vietnam War. Have you ever talked to any common grunt that was?
You seem so certain that Calley's POV was endemic, so I was wondering.
Woody, when I was in the military there was a military draft. Their college student age peers use to spit on our soldiers when they came home. College deferments went to kids who's parents could afford college; there was no readily available student loans. Another out was the National Guard back in those days, which was at that time also a protected enclave for the youth of the wealthy and influential.
So now we have an all-volunteer Military. The demographics of most enlisted grunts indicates they are from rural and small town areas, most especially from the South and secondarily, the Midwest; job opportunities left those areas long ago. (Even read the military death notices in the paper?) The other main motivation for joining up is old-fashion patriotism, a sense that it is honorable to serve one's country when it is at war. I agree with you if these kids knew who benefits from war, just how political and self-serving our leaders are, the US & World would be much better off.
My own opinion is that our wars are fought mostly by lower working class kids; that they are dupes and should avoid joining. The old term for these kids is "cannonfodder." It is accurate. (During the Civil War, on the Union side, you could avoid conscription by paying somebody else to take your place.)
A military draft with no exceptions (including combat roles) would end all these wars our Congress authorizes, overnight.
I flip out whenever I hear the sentence, "Thank you for your service." I think I am suppose to wag my tail.
Dan's comment reflects my own experience too. I went to college after getting out of the Army, that's where I first learned what the (relatively) elite thinks of the US military, and most especially of the common grunt.
Pat Buchanan has a whole bunch of really astute articles available on Antiwar.com. Of course he and Ron Paul are dismissed as idiots by both the left, central, and right.
Who's the idiot? Mitt, who will bomb Iran tomorrow if given the chance, and now calls for our military intervention in Syria? Or Obama, who has cut off the strategy of containment on Iran, and told us a month or so ago he will squeeze the Iranian people until they squeak, and if that don't make them OK no more enrichment, bomb them? Notice here, neither he nor his interviewer even brought out the factor that Israel constantly threatens Israel with an attack, and that Israel has 400 nuclear bombs: link to theatlantic.com
How can Obama talk about the threat of nuclear proliferation in the ME without even bringing up the fact Israel has the bomb, and is not a member of NNPT? Why should we take him seriously? My only question is will Bibi bomb Iran before November if it looks to him that Obama will get a second term? If Bibi does, Obama basically admits we too then will be at war with Iran. It's not even a real issue.
Elliot, I don't disagree with you that "It’s a major stretch to dump all that at the doorstep of Zionism." OTOH, do you think that there is no significant rational at all for requiring diversity in public schools? Something good to be said for exposure for different customs, traditions, and the free flow of ideas this might spark and nurture? Where do private religious/often substantially de facto ethic schools fit in this picture? Do Jewish day schools only inculcate progressive light, or is there, perhaps, some regressive darkness too? Just asking. It's simply a reality that public schools with students of a significant majority complexion would be the last to be keenly aware of an outsider perspective concerning what they do and say that is insensitive to the minority. That's exactly why diversity is taught and sought for in America's public schools. OTOH again, sometimes that in turn gets out of hand, which is why some speak of reverse discrimination and minority privilege. With each new American generation, the chance of a white kid gaining special institutionalize privilege gets more remote, don't you think? Various people say, "Don't piss on my head and tell me its raining."
By definition and mission, private schools with a religious and/or political bent are a problem. Some may say the same can be said of home-schooling.
So, now, where are we, and where is Phil.
PS: when I was a kid, I went to both public and Catholic grade schools. The kid has to go where his parents or the state put him or her. Sometimes this makes it very hard on the kid. Ever talk to a kid who was forcibly bussed to a school after being ripped out of the school he or she knew?
Elliot,
Yes, scroll down pat the Introduction in the study to the subsection: The geography of diversity: "America today reflects a considerably more geographically diverse racial and ethnic tapestry than in the past."
Did Zionism surely wrought this?
Who goes to Jewish Day schools? Do they tend to make, mold insular characters, or the open-arms types?
Elliot, while agree with what you say generally, there's a lot more distribution of minorities in the small towns and burbs than you suggest these days: link to docs.google.com
OK, let me try again: link to docs.google.com
RoHa, yes? I don't disagree. I was so happy with the culture and people I grew up with I left home at age 17, never to return. Some change is good, some bad; often times depending on nothing one does or does not do personally. In some places eating bugs is a comfort. Others would rather starve first. And so on.
"Comfort food" is whatever food you happened to grow up eating, right? Think of how that's changed, say, here in USA since WW2.
A Hebrew charter school just opened near me--Phil wrote about them generally recently here: link to mondoweiss.net
Public schools are not segregated, but apparently charter schools tend to be, at least according to this single study: link to idea.gseis.ucla.edu
OTOH, wiki info on demographics of charter schools says "Charter schools tended to be somewhat more racially diverse, and to enroll slightly fewer students with special needs or limited English proficiency than the average schools in their state." Wiki also says that charter schools are funded at 61% of what regular public schools get.
Well, Phil, additional to whence goes US foreign policy in the Middle East, we have, whence goes the US government in re equality of economic opportunity in USA, most especially considering white babies were a minority in 2011, and whites will be a minority generally by 2042? Will the Black Caucas always ignore the Palestinians and what does that mean? link to guardian.co.uk
Or is there no connection between white loss of power in the USA, and Israel's power?
RE: "Yeah, and a significant number of Jews after WWII considered ways of killing millions of German civilians, but didn’t do it."
Morgenthau pushed his plan, which would have made Germany a pre-industrial farm land forever, but Ike (German American) only bought a small part of it--by changing the classification of German POWS so he could legally starve thousands of them to death, which happened. That's always the best way to get around the law--just change a few key words in obnoxious existing laws to totally avoid the spirit in which they were originally intended. Shrub did it, Patriot Act sponsors did and do it, Obama has joined this custom--he's well equipped, being an ivy league Constitution scholar himself, unlike Shrub, who said he just took his own legal experts' opinion every time the law got in the way of his agenda.
What about Fluffy?
Re: "Mordechai Vanunu
A traitor who was arrested by unusual means."
Actually, the means were banal in terms of classic dirty spy stories--though maybe the drugs he was injected with were a new kind?
link to fromoccupiedpalestine.org
Never mind, Fredblogs, I see the 73% you give is from a poll sponsored by The Israel Project; for readers here, here's some specifics on the kind of questions asked, including the one resulting in the 73% figure: link to jpost.com
Oh, and here's an article exposing The Israel Project's secret hasbara handbook: link to richardsilverstein.com
Fredblogs, Re: "If the Palestinians had the power to exterminate the Jews, 73% of them say they would."
Source?
RE: "The Israelis have the power to exterminate the Palestinians, but they don’t because the Israelis are the good guys."
Israel does not totally exterminate the Palestinians because news would spread, the USA would intervene with military force and/or with a coalition in full support; Israel would also lose its sole US diplomatic cover. If Israel chose to fight this intervention with its own military force, it would be destroyed very easily.
Here's more info on Schneerson: link to answers.com
Imagine an Amish leader doing what he did. How far would he get? Would he get a Congressional Medal Of Honor?
On November 2, 1994 a US Congressional bill passed both Houses by unanimous consent, honoring Schneerson for his "outstanding and enduring contributions toward world education, morality, and acts of charity"
Re: "At Schneerson’s synagogue in Queens I was told that two of the responsibilities of US gentiles was to establish acceptable justice systems in all lands and to defend Israel. The tradition has the world Supreme Court in Jerusalem. So Jesus didn’t buy this “tradition” When the Romans saw how they were being used by the “tradition” they cleaned house."
Interesting, johnshoemaker, made me want to initiate a look at Schneerson, hence gathering some indice of his influence, starting with this look from a "just between us jews perspective":
link to jewishjournal.com
The moose once dwelled free in the most civilized region called X, and then suddenly they were hunted in region X, and so now, in region Y, the moose must always assume they will be hunted there too, and also in region Z--simply for being moose, something about their distinct configuration on the horizon, their habits, etc? No, just because in every region, and forever, some of the inhabitants just sprout from the ground hating moose. Maybe it's the antlers? The hard cracking of their heads even between themselves?
Every law student in the USA must study Constitutional Law, and among the SCOTUS and lower federal court cases they study are literally tens of 100s of cases affirming that the USA will brook no deviance from the principle that the First Amendment calls for not only free speech (most especially if it's dissenting speech, speech you hate to hear), but also no governmental aid, abetting, or Establishment of any official or privileged religion. Some people here seem to be totally ignorant of this principle of constitutional governance totally intact in America. Not even the 10 commandments is immune, as a recent case shows--the issue there, can a school put up a plaque merely stating the 10 commandments without violating this principle in the Establishment Clause? The local governing body took it down, and substituted a framed record of the 10 commandments in US historical context.
Still, I see where somebody who did not grow up in the USA may be confused since, suddenly in the last few decades, so many US political leaders keep talking about the USA as governed by "Judeo-Christian Values."
RoHa, are you claiming that stories never affect and/or model and/or justify human conduct? And that human conduct makes, creates, destroys situations? You're unaware of how governments use stories, narratives to get folks to follow their agendas?
Don't eat that apple, or chop down that cherry tree, or tackle The Hun. And don't get all digital about it:
link to networkworld.com
RE: "...with the billion or so we give to the PA every year..." LOL, yeah, right
Good one, Mooser. Mufti
No, and Israel will keep taking the free cash, no matter how many Americans are digging in dumpsters for a food and a place to sleep: link to mondoweiss.net
hophmi, 700 million Israeli shekels = 180.3151 million U.S. dollars.
US direct (not counting indirect aid) aid to Israel 4 fiscal year beginning in October is $4 Billion. 4 billion U.S. dollars = 15.5283723 billion Israeli shekels
Obviously, the US cares more about Jewish Israeli welfare than it does American welfare. Israel has a national health care program. US Congress is fighting over how much it can cut from US welfare net. But nobody is asking Israel to help us out, instead both US parties just ask how much more we can do for Israel. Quite a change from JFK's speech, eh?
Hey, hophmi, don't you read the latest Israeli news? It was revealed at a Monday meeting of senior officers that the Israel Police have a budget deficit of 700 million shekels, according to a Tuesday morning report by Israel Defense Forces Radio. There is concern about payment of salaries, and suppliers of food and fuel have threatened to cut the department off if it does not pay its debts. The police cited the Treasury for not making promised budget transfers.
Former police chief Moshe Karadi said the police budget has been one of survival and not of development for years. He added that the upcoming budget year would be tough for the police, noting increased demands, including dealing with the problem of infiltration, and concluded that the force must be made a national priority.
Mmmmm, I think WW2 evolved due to certain nation states seeking their own "self-determination," yes? Hey, what the hell, serial killers like to self-actualize too. If you want someone to blame for turning the death of all those Americans who died in WW2 into dying for no principle beyond might makes right, blame Harry Truman. He did make his response known, saying something to the effect that he had no Arab constituents. The US used big-time economic pressure to get the tiny UN swing vote establishing Israel "as a nation among nations." Truman was bought by Zionists cash, Zionists votes in NY, and Zionist spokesmen in mainstream media. His endless rereading of the Scofield bible as a kid, plus his small business Jewish partner, did the rest of the trick. Palestinians have been paying ever since BigTime.
You are right, hophmi, must people could not care less. I think you should be worried about that if you have a sense of history. Instead, you think that's great. When power turns, you will too.
hophmi, US cash to Israel does not buy Americans a single gallon of gas for their car. It buys only world hatred due to Israeli conduct.
Hey hophmi, there is no billions going to the Palestinians.
giladg, what did the Palestinian people have to do with the Shoah in Europe?
We really need to bring in the US Constitutional Law concept of "under color of law." It brought down Jim Crow. Israel uses its laws, and its IDF, to terrorize the natives, and steal their land.
Any American who thinks of himself as a Jew rather than an American first should be honest about it and move to Israel?
Yeah, Phil, it's really hard to see that Israel uses Goering's stance and philosophy at Nuremburg to defend itself. Too bad it doesn't opt for the same solution?
OlegR, maybe because you got your state at the expense of the Palestinians? Did the Roma get a state because the Brit government promised them one without consulting the natives?
hophmi, US annual minimum $3 billion earmark ($4 billion this year) for Israel could be used instead to provide more than 364,000 low-income households with affordable housing vouchers, or to retrain 498,000 workers for green jobs, or to provide early reading programs to 887,000 at-risk students, or to provide access to primary health care services for more than 24 million uninsured Americans.
If U.S. weapons were going to Israel for a good purpose, then perhaps a coherent guns versus butter debate would be appropriate. However, Israel repeatedly misuses U.S. weapons to commit grave human rights abuses against Palestinians who are forced to live under its illegal 42-year military occupation of the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and Gaza Strip.
link to huffingtonpost.com
hophmi, Re: "No, Israel does not need 3 billion from the US in order to survive. Grow up. Israel’s economy is one of the strongest in the world. It relies on the US primarily for diplomatic support."
For all Americans here, here is an interactive map showing you what your own local community could buy with the cash sent to Israel each year:
How much aid to Israel does your local community provide, and what do you give up for giving it: link to endtheoccupation.org
Also, these figures are based merely on the $3 B per year promised Israel over this decade, we actually are giving Israel $4 B in coming fiscal year, and it does not include interest we give Israel, nor does it count Israel's ultra special trade agreement with US, nor the customary forgiveness of Israeli loans, nor the underwriting of Israeli debt that is all part of our annual dole to Israel. Nor does it include all the benefits Israel gets from trade negotiations between US and other foreign nations, wherein US commerce takes a hit so Israel can benefit, e.g., the one with USSR to get the Jews from Russia to Israel in the 1990s.
US Security vetoes in behalf Israel: link to jewishvirtuallibrary.org
Israel accepted the 1947 partition border as to its borders, and ever since has ignored that acceptance and claimed more land.
Actually, if Israel has any legal claim of right to land, I fail to see how such land extends beyond the original UN partition. Even that land is morally not sufficient since, e.g. the Roma were never given any such right to northern India by the Brits when they essentially controlled India. Doesn't it all go back to what sad shape Britain was in when the German were winning in WW1? Belfour et al enlisted American Zionists to aid Britain, the Brits were so in debt to USA capitalists?
Right, giladg, we really do need to continue to fund and diplomatically enable Israel's oppression of the Palestinian natives; to do less is to ignore Jewish victimhood throughout the ages in Europe. Who is it you think has no right to dream dreams they have no right of having?
Yep, traintosiberia, and nobody is more clueless than Dick and Jane in America. I know, because that's my family and I've lived in USA nearly 70 years.
Israel will do whatever it wants--so long as Dick and Jane America allow it, and pay for it. At present, the lovely couple don't even think about it.
Thanks, for sharing Shmuel. You sure that's not an American story you mention and quote from? In Italy, can a citizen own guns as self-protection in case somebody invades their home? Where I am, one can; of course in the wealthy gated communities across the USA, they have their own security force; similarly, in the well-off municipalities, the local police are very obliging and responsive. In the lower income and poor areas, basically, one is on one's own as the police are distant, and mostly after-the-fact arrivals, and will let you know it.
I notice, Dickerson, that the Chinese and Koreans are still mighty upset by the treatment of WW2 in Japanese school textbooks. I gathered that Imperial Japan's evil escapades are still significantly whitewashed, that those books drawn no connection between America's war on Japan and Japan's war in Asia, especially China, e.g., they never mention a big factor in US motive for war with Japan, additional to, of course Pearl Harbor, and intertwined, was what Imperial Japanese troops were doing to the Chinese. Seems the only lesson Japanese school kids are getting from WW2 is that War Is Bad, and nuclear war, the Worst. Some Japanese scholars have said in public Japanese "sex slaves" should be proud of their service.
seafoid, sort of like Americans have to be saved from the Evangelical takeover of the US Military?
And, Danaa, the Haredis are now increasingly joining the IDF. They recently got their own rabbi so the IDF takes care of their very special needs.
Yes, thanks, tree.
When you live in "a villa in the jungle" you need to take precautions?
So, boiled down, UN needs to retain a Jewish Zionist as hefty leader, just to survive financially.
I couldn't find that poll I just talked about, although it is recent, but I found this one from the 1980s that was directed at the fact back then, that non-Jews don't think Jews are subject to anti-semitism, but Jews do: link to docs.google.com
Interesting, while that 1980s poll found an ever-increasing dirth of anti-semitism among the general US population, the two areas where those polled exhibited the most anti-Jewish perception were (1) loyalty to the USA, and (2) Jews hold too much power in the US government.