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You make a good point. A slight (?) nuance, US anti-discrimination laws always include
the phrase "race, ethnic origin, gender, religion" to delineate the protected qualities (--or the favored qualities, as in "affirmative action" laws); as a matter of practice this usually means what it says except that white males are not usually thought of as an ethnic group and "white" is not thought of as a protected
race, but rather the historical oppressor--hence the on-going battle of "reverse
discrimination" most recently spot-lighted in the firefighter case in the US Supreme Court.
Schmuel, read what I said in cojuncton with Kovel's dissection of how she went awry.
That will give you the whole picture of the big hole in the middle of her latest sweater.
I guess, Witty, you would've opposed the banner headlines back in the day: "World Jewry Calls For Boycott of Germany!"
Populism has no nuclear-armed state funded and otherwise supported in every way by the only superpower on earth. Further, Populism has no discriminatory legal architecture extended
into every corner of its head.
Having read the full article, I find that Klein knitted a sweater with a large hole in the middle of it , i.e., she intentionally disconnected her negative view of Israel's legal architecure from the zionism=racisim theory. She definitely changed the sweater she was wearing earlier this year. Kovel is right on target, and he's doing a lot more than
quibbling.
I mean at the federal, state and local election levels. There could also be a net tax offset for campaign finance funding on state income tax forms and municipal too.
True when their term is up, senators and representatives can be tossed to the curb,
but due to gerrrymandering and campaign financing, when it comes to our policy
respecting Israel no matter who replaces whom, they will sing the same tune. This can't be stopped by initiating term limits. The issue then dissolves to finding and selling an effective campaign finance reform package. This might include a net tax offset for campaign funding on one's 1040, plus devotion of a set of public TV channels
to third party candidates at the state and local election levels. Any more ideas?
In this context, he could ignore all the AIPAC pundits in the MSM, and did not have to
stand up and say, " I know that in advocating Israel’s cause, I am inevitably advancing the cause of America."
Easy, there was enough leeway since AIPAC did not make any official policy statements
regarding the need to attack Iraq. That is, it did not obviously affect Israel in the eyes of a moron. He had cover and could make that stand, protected by AIPAC's own self-proclaimed reason for existence.
Yeah, economic boycotts are irrational, so I guess you, Richard Witty, are against all those
currently used against Iran, as well all those being pushed for, right?
Yeah, we don't want to support any collective punishment. Long live apartheid S Africa!
During the Weimar Republic Jewish influence was very heavy in the media, as well as in the professions and business--they were about 1% of the population. Is this another
Vico cycle happening now, e.g., in Canada, the USA, England, etc? Here's just a taste
of Jewish disproportionate influence during Germany's Weimar period:
link to cgi.stanford.edu
Yeah, like he was when he coined the phrase "Axis Of Evil" for the dumb frat boy to
echo.
Some of us can imagine what Persia thought when they heard that one.
I can only imagine what Finklestein and Galileo are thinking.
How many ladies can a guy condemn to death to lead social progression in this country?
link to ocregister.com
And it's been so since Truman, the failed seller of hats.
I wish it were so, Mooser. But the USA is Zionism's number one enabler. It's every
tax paying Americans problem, to say the least.
So, Witty, please not only skim, but digest what I said. Seems your head is teflon
to information you don't want.
Hey Witty, here's a curtailed summary and exceedingly small dose of what's on TV these days:
link to counterpunch.org
LOL, of course I mean "It's not myself or Phil who is dancing here, but you Witty."
It's not myself or Witty who is dancing here, but you:
One of the odder notions to take hold in recent years is that AIPAC specifically, and the so-called "Israel lobby" more generally had absolutely nothing to do with the Iraq War, and that anyone who says otherwise is an anti-semite. As John Judis writes for The New Republic, however, this is just false:
At the time, a Senate staff person with a responsibility for foreign policy told me of AIPAC's lobbying. But I don't have to rely on my memory. AIPAC's lobbying wasn't widely reported because AIPAC didn't want Arab states, whose support the Bush administration was soliciting, to be able to tie Bush's plans to Israel, but it lobbied nonetheless. In September 2002, before Congress had begun considering the administration's proposal authorizing force with Iraq, Rebecca Needler, a spokeswoman for AIPAC, told the Jewish Telegraphic Agency, "If the president asks Congress to support action in Iraq, AIPAC would lobby members of Congress to support him." Then at an AIPAC meeting in New York in January 2003, before the war began, but after Congress had voted to authorize Bush to go to war, Howard Kohr, AIPAC's executive director, boasted of AIPAC's success in lobbying for the war. Reported the New York Sun, "According to Mr. Kohr, AIPAC's successes over the past year also include guaranteeing Israel's annual aid package and 'quietly' lobbying Congress to approve the use of force in Iraq."
And, obviously, other institutions of the hawkish "pro-Israel" establishment -- the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, the Saban Center, JINSA, The New York Sun, The New Republic, etc. -- all advocated strongly in favor of invasion. That's not to say that "the Jews caused the war" (I think Bush, Cheney, Blair, Powell, Rumsfeld, Rice, etc. had a little something to do with it) but it's still true.
You can't quote chapter and verse because what you say is not true about Phil's
last three years posts.
Exactly, and this has not been mentioned on MSM/Cable news; in fact in the lists
of his legislative achievements the 1965 Immigration Act is always missing. That's
why I commented above in this thread:
"Another revision of revised obituary:
insert after “Kennedy served two terms in the Senate in the 1960s and was spoken of as a possible presidential candidate before his career flamed out.” :
Kennedy eloquently and prophetically protested against passage of the 1965 Immigration Act saying at the time
that while “family reunification” and “birthright citizenship” sounded endearing, it was not constitutional and would doom the nation through anchor and jackpot babies and chain migration, which would make Americans tax mules for foreigners’ welfare and
allow the growth of separate nations speaking their own tongue by law within the country’s breast.
Witty, just because I keep myself informed of what the MSM, including TV, is saying does not mean I do not think, read, and write independently on a daily basis. Try watching the tube for a week, instead of reading. You might begin to grasp what is left out of "all the news good for yuze" in manipulating public opionion. Watch some of the entertainment shows, not just network news and the opposing cable TV news
shows, as that will also reveal to you cultural manipulation via the nuance of image and script. Don't just depend on
your reading of someone's opinion in a book or magazine. It's nothing to brag about,
having no TV. Cable and Direct TV offer news sources from around the world as well as lots of history. Look at it as a supplement. I do. Ah, I found that hidden
video camera you installed in my home.
Mooser, please elaborate on why you think Phil is being immature. I've commented a number times on this thread about his alternate obituary. Now you too, need to be
specific.
Jonathan Swift, you like?
You got a point.
How about a rewrite of Hitler's (de facto) obituary? Would you characterize that as
bitter and petulant? Cry tears? Apologize for false attributions? There'd be no learning from one's own consciene and suffer indigetion and bad dreams?
We don't need you, Witty, to blare out what is being blared out over MSM about
how great the Liberal Lion was. This is samisdat blog, not MSM. You seem to have missed your calling a la Michael Medved.
Another revision of revised obituary:
insert after "Kennedy served two terms in the Senate in the 1960s and was spoken of as a possible presidential candidate before his career flamed out." :
Kennedy eloquently and prophetically protested against passage of the 1965 Immigration Act saying at the time
that while "family reunification" and "birthright citizenship" sounded endearing, it was not constitutional and would doom the nation through anchor and jackpot babies and chain migration, which would make Americans tax mules for foreigners' welfare and
allow the growth of separate nations speaking their own tongue by law within the country's breast.
Revised portion of revised Obituary:
Kennedy went on to write a book discounting the theme of Irish American Dual Loyalty; his stance was that although Irish Americans were 10% of the USA's population, behind only those of German extraction, and Ireland had been starved and occupied by the Brits for a long time, the USA
had never given Ireland foreign aid or any military aid as a matter of de facto or de jure foreign policy.
I agree. Make sure that someone is not from our MSM or usual neocon stink tanks. Someone who actually is willing to talk about the Nakba, for instance. No Wolf
Blitzers.
Daniel Pipes's capsule summary on Amazon of Benny Morris's Israel's Borders Wars:
"Israel's leading revisionist historian returns to the archives and argues that Israel was ultimately the party most responsible for keeping the Arab-Israeli conflict going right after the 1948 war. With their eyes on gaining more Arab territory, Israeli leaders did not take advantage of the peace offers coming from Jordan and Syria. Most important, according to Morris, Israelis misinterpreted the many thousands of Arab infiltrators each year into their country, turning simple refugees trying to reclaim their houses and farmers working their fields into politically motivated enemies. Far from sponsoring these attacks, Arab regimes actually opposed them. Oblivious to the limited, even defensive nature of 90 percent of the raids, Israelis retaliated against Arab neighbors with great force, killing Arab civilians without mercy. This in turn led Arab governments to reply by organizing state-run guerrillas, known as fedayeen. Before you know it, the Suez War resulted, and with it the enduring enmity that has long characterized the Arab-Israeli conflict."
He goes on to summarily poo-poo this POV. But I bet this is one hell of a grenade
and factual light into those seminal years... No matter what the author said later, he had looked into the Israeli archives and already spoken.
Blood and Religion: The Unmasking of the Jewish and Democratic State
By Jonathan Cook
Clear, concise, the author barely states his opinions, but rather presents various interviews, public statements made by Israeli politicians and top officials in the Israeli media. The notes / citations provided in this book are great. Jonathan Cook clearly states (and proves) that the majority of his sources are from the Israeli media. Arguments are well presented. The hypocrisy of the "only democratic state in the middle east" is neatly unfolded with facts and figures.
You have not read W & M on The Lobby, yet you fear reading it would cause debate degeneration? Read their book. It is actually very mild; you will see how those who railed against it when it came out are total zealots.
I guess you never studied Bernays as Goebbels did.
OTH, he is directly responsible as a chief spokesman and arm-bender for the immigration policy/trend that will turn this nation into an ununited
chaotic land, a tower of babbling , squabbling tribes. His legacy will come to full fruition in a few more decades. No other nation in history has ever done this to itself.
As the Washington Post's Glenn Frankel reported, AIPAC "took no official position on the merits of going to war in Iraq . But, like the Israeli government, once it was clear that the Bush administration was determined to go to war, AIPAC cheered from the sidelines, bestowing sustained ovations on an array of administration officials at its April 2003 annual conference and on Bush himself when he attended the following year" (Washington Post, July 16, 2006).
Yep. He did that.
Judy, I was being facetious.
Open borders and national health care for everyone within those borders at all times?
Anything find this laughable?
Judy, most Americans don't even know about it--but they all know Israel feels itself always threatened by the Arabs surrounding it, those Arabs who be-head people and
give no civil rights to their women.
Well he's a Liberal lion...
He spread the wealth at every opportunity, so long as it was not his own
Ted Kennedy was afforded every "affirmative action" legacy privilege in the book; he cheated in college, both directly, and by hiring a cheater in his behalf; after getting the boot, he joined the US Army for 4 years, which his Dad got reduced to 2 years during the Korean War; his dad also got him assigned to guard duty in Paris--where he was never even promoted to Private First Class. He was the front man for the 1965 Immigration Act
(supported by many Jewish organizations, as you can see if you go to the legislative hisotry) and in that spot everything he said about the impact of that Act was completely false. He further compounded that by doing all he could to support open borders and the
illegal alien amnesty, but in the 1980's when it was given, and more recently when it was stopped temporarily by the grass roots protests.
He tried to make up for his bootlegger and pimp dad's crooked bundles by wallowing in
white guilt and then dumping his fat borrowed tears onto the frail backs of average lower and lower middle class whites who've been caught in the tight vise of wealth transfer since Teddy
climbed into congress.
We won't even mention the young upside down lady clawing at the car floor roof carpet under the water aside the bridge he drove off while in a drunken stupor, while he went off back to the party, and then to sleep, hoping Daddy once again would put the fix in by the time he awoke--well, he did get a suspended sentence for leaving the scene of the accident....
He was a moron. But he did know how to worked over the congress to achieve his ends.
He deserves no accolades at all; would have been a drunk in the streets except for his
daddy's connections and money--same as George Bush Jr.
Both totally rubber-stamped every AIPAC style POV, which they said was in their country's interest. These are two prominent examples of Israel's partners mentioned
by Margaret a day or so ago on another thread. Toss in most of congress.
And how will the indie film be made, and by whom? Certainly Hollywood will not be involved...
Are you suggesting by giving us the blackface version of Puttin' On The Ritz that
it's Cabaret time in the USA? Who will write the new I Am A Camera?
Margaret:
"Citizen, the point where corporations come into the mix and accountability is lost seems to be a major juncture from what was to what is now."
In the old days any of the King's minions had fiat authority, hence any King's
authorized company had it too; now in the age of democracy, the state government
authorizes official legal irresponsibility, by the use of corporate structure in conformity with corporate immunity.
I don't disagree much with what either V or Todd or Margaret have shared with us here in this thread. I don't even view the collective view as inconsistent, but rather
affording an aggregate POV, more or less, but all input important. I don't think
this collective, somewhat pro and con comment input feeds a decision as to what to do about the Israel First agenda. Obviously the congress includes Israel First as part of the matrix of the bipartisan elite and the military-industrial complex is a senior partner in the elite firm too, as is general Big Corporation. Let them eat crumb cake, MREs, and roadside bombs and ever more taxes direct and indirect--
and let them eat LOTS of debt, the baby food for their children and children's children. And let the country turn into a tower of babbling quarreling ethnic tribes
with nothing to bind it together as one...
"I fully understand that the U.S. will not last forever, and wish it would divide into more natural segments. What I don’t want is chaos and ethnic balkanization beforehand."
This is not inconsistent with always looking into the Haves v HaveNots--which
changes over time, but the system remains the same--are we basically simply talking about who's ox is, or will be gored next? What would be a division "into more natural segments"? How so "natural" given the terrain already covered
in this thread?
I want to add: A key difference between a real person and a corporation is
the latter (fictious person by matter of law) is that the real person is personally
liable for all he does "to get ahead," while the corporation is not; it's aggregrate
structure allows for shareholders not to be personally liable and simultaneously
allows shareholder gain as a matter of right. Further, the descretion of judgement
matters allows executives and corporate boards also to avoid responsibility.
V is right in his lens: The Haves versus The HaveNots. It's a good way to penetrate
the many (often overlapping) political issues of night and fog. Our current foreign wars and health care issues are simply cases in point. And Margaret is right in bringing imperialism into the mix. Colonization began with royal-chartered companies; the evolution into legally treating companies as actual human beings,
this legal jargon personifying corporatons as "persons" with full equal rights boldly
expressed in Western laws and a mainstain of judicial statutory construction, backed
up by police power is part and parcel of what both V and Magaret say if I understand
them correctly. I would only add to V's take on colonial USA, the propertied elite
with their corresponding privileges wanted to have their cake and eat it too, that is
milk the colonial (and native) masses and simultaneously make themselves immune
from England's milking of its colony.
Whether you are talking about the Molly McQuires in the coal mines or the starving motley crew at Valley Forge (our first integrated army) , the principles applicable are the same.
Perhaps the most important take away here is that German Van Stueben who trained our troops for Washington at Valley Forge. He said when you instructed
a Prussian soldier to do anything he did it, and quickly. When you instructed a
Continental soldier he'd always first ask: Why?
The 1973 Oil Embargo was instituted a few weeks after the 1973 war ended, as you say
a protest against, especially the USA and Holland for their heavy support of Israel. Prior to that the customary contract as between the oil companies and the Arabs gave
about 2/3rds of the profit to the oil companies.
USA citizens have paid heavily for that oil embargo and its impact on our economy and world opinion of us are still very much with with us.
link to buyandhold.com
You are also somewhat correct in that Main St viewed the Arabs as caricatures ("camel jockeys") in 1973; however that's different than viewing them as subhuman as you imply; Main St did not connect their gas station woes and general inflation with the Arabs oil embargo, but rather blamed their woes on greedy oil companies.
They did not connect our strong aid to Israel in the 1973 war with why they were hit with gas rationing and standing in line at the pump.
Similarly, Main St to this day does not connect Shrub's attack on Iran with Israel.
And for the same reasons often articulated on this blog. It was the neocons who worked to paint Main Street's image of the Arab from the goofy camel jockey to the terrorist,
the rag-headed, masked, AK armed , wife-beating "sandnigger."
Despite Mister Wolfowitz's dalliance with a
Muslim woman--he also wrote a novel involving a girl having sex with a bear, if memory serves); to this day the undercurrent beneath the neocon figleaf of respect for
Islam remains the rendered capusle: Sandniggers. Terrorists born and bred.
This even while our leaders keep mouthing the platitude equivalent, "Some of my best friend's are Arabs (aka Muslims).
Phil: "“What if “politicians and populists” held Jews “responsible for encouraging and launching into public discussion strategies that might end up, to imagine a lurid example, with boys from Iowa and Harlem futilely dying in Kuwait.”"
Or Iraq, or Afghanistan, or Iran. So what would IF Stone say today about the
neocons' Israel First agenda? About the neocon-coined term "Axis Of Evil"?
Wisely thought and expressed, Margaret. As Rahm fairly recent said in terms of taking advantage of opportuity, and to paraphrase as in popular slogan: Never look a gift horse in the mouth. Political and business opportunists are always first to beat the war drums and cheer lead from the sides. Religion, race, ethnicity, memories of historical wrongs, and patriotism secures cannon fodder and military-industrial slave laborers.
Here are the facts regarding the military strength on each side--you decide who's
BSing whom here: link to bookrags.com
I agree with this assessment by Danaa. Our country's leaders crumbled, beginning with Truman; and it escalated from 1965 on down to now.
The war will be in stages; after a time nuclear tipped missiles will be used, the newer
version, "nuclear war light." This in turn will eventully lead into full nuclear war.
The USA saved Israel's ass in the 1973 War when Uncle Sam replenished Israel with every sort of weapon and supplies; when the USSR threatened to do the same for Israel's opponents, Uncle Sam said, "If you do, we will nuke you." Only by the USSR's
backing down did the world avoid nuclear war. I think this scene will be revisited, after
Obama goes thru his charade of holding Israel to a one year settlement freeze in return for Obama installing more drastic sanctions on Iran, leading up to the set up of the "I told you so" version, followed by green-lighting Israel's bombing of Iran.
The fans left because they did not want to watch their team get defeated; they left to avoid watching what seemed probable. And so, why not go home a bit early since they had to get up and work the next day, a bit more time to sleep off the defeat of their
team, a part of their identity. If there's some more psychological or practical need met by their actions, I'd like to hear it. And I'm not sure Phil's hunting for a one dollar bill is anything but the practical notion that if you don't have to break a higher bill you retain
better memory control of how much you have in your pocket. Who doesn't try to use
lesser bills in his or her wallet or purse first unless really in a rush to leave the store, stand, or dispenser machine? Nobody, unless they actually want to break down a larger bill for other uses.
Yad Vashem fires employee who dared to show the irony of Deir Yassin being in sight of Yad Vashem
Daniel McGowan - mcgowan@hws.edu
Deir Yassin Remembered
Yad Vashem, the most famous Holocaust Museum in the world, has fired an instructor who compared the trauma of Jewish Holocaust survivors with the trauma experienced by the Palestinian people in the Naqba.
Itamar Shapira, 29, of Jerusalem, was fired from his job at Yad Vashem, where he had worked for the past three and a half years as a tour guide. Shapira confirmed that he had spoken to visitors about the 1948 massacre of Palestinians at Deir Yassin, which lies in clear sight 1,400 meters to the north of the Children's Museum at Yad Vashem.
While Yad Vashem visitors are taught to "Never Forget" the trauma suffered by Jews under the Nazis, they are encouraged to "Never Mind" the trauma suffered by Palestinians under Zionists building a Jewish state on lands where Palestinians had lived for centuries.
Shapira stated, "I said there were people who lived on this land and mentioned that there are other traumas that provide other nations with motivation."
Yad Vashem's position is that the Holocaust and Jewish suffering cannot be compared to any other event. While there are hundreds of memorials for Jews, there is not even a sign post at Deir Yassin, the emblem of Palestinian dispossession and ethnic cleansing.
Deir Yassin Remembered was founded in 1995 at Hobart and William Smith Colleges. DYR works toward building a truth and reconciliation center at Deir Yassin. We ask that you open your hearts and wallets and make a donation to Deir Yassin Remembered, a charitable and educational not-for-profit 501(c)(3) organization.
Deir Yassin Remembered
c/o Daniel McGowan or PayPal DYR1948@deiryassin.org
300 Pulteney Street
Geneva, New York 14456
Yad Vashem fires employee who compared Holocaust to Nakba
By Yoav Stern
link to haaretz.com
I agree the large US corporations are the key culprits behind open borders and have been so all along; as you say cheap labor driver; and now it's also an ethnic (Hispanic) voting block issue. I was just wondering if any Jewish organization has ever taken a public stance on the open borders issue. I know many did take a stance in the mid-1960s regarding the then reformed Immigration Act, as reflected in our federal legistlative history.
The answer to your question, Gellian, is, what does Dick Witty think at the moment on the particular scrap of data at issue, is good for the Jews? That's his pattern and it
never deviates. Just so you know, when you are thinking about what's best for the whole world, all things cosinsidered. Dick calls his POV "humanistic Zionism." If you have a problem with that as an oxymoron, you have a major problem with Dick Witty.
Feudal? All they need is a drawbridge.
This makes me wonder what is the organized Jewish American POV on the USA borders--the southern borders since that accounts for most illegal immagrants and legal immigrants? Is organized and influential Jewry all for open borders?
Interesting, that Jews hate gentile white people, but they think they are white people when it comes to their own power and influence.
I understand what you are saying, Mooser, but it really sticks in my craw that any group would say they channel the communication to G-D. It's absurd on its face; of course that has never stopped the conceit's power throughout history. Most people
think poetry is for the impractical few, and I see it that stale and bad poetry is the language of the politician and everyday person, the very people who are the first to jeer at poets as not of this practical earh.
Mooser, you have to remember, Richard Witty said he couldn't understand anyone wanting to whave a gun since words were better. The key there is, where does Witty live?
Yes, that segment was very revealing--the Israeli woman was very smug; I'm sure she would shrink at similar video moments from the Third Reich days. Well, actually not; she would say there's no comparison, and dismiss the insight at that.
Are you going to respond to Margaret's last comment? I don't imagine you will disagree with a lot of what it says but it seems to beg your take on Jewish exceptionalism, especially in that she ignores the Israel Lobby as a major factor
in why Congress sings AIPAC's tune consistently; she ignores the fact Judiasm as a religion is only one Jewish ID option since one can be Jewish and simultaneously a declared atheist or Buddist or simply totally secular--regarding the Inquisition--
Christians were by far the majority while it applied where it did; in contrast Jews
make up 2% of the USA population--and while being chosen is a part of Christianity and Islam--both of these put the pie in the sky, in a belief that what really matters is the next world. Judiasm nor most Jews believe in heaven.
Yep. Fully automatic weapons ownership was banned across the USA long ago.
I'm sure you know who is authorized to carry and use them.
Perhaps Frommer should boycott not only Arizona, but also NY. American jews formed a zionist-orientated militia in the Catskills three years ago; weapons and tactical training are taught by former IDF soldiers and the militia has been growing. Humanistic zionists and secular jews are
welcome.
link to thetreeofliberty.com
Well now, in Arizona, are the jews subject to the same life enhancements that Palestininians are in Israel, let alone the Gaza strip or Jerusalem?
Go read Kevin MacDonald with an open mind. Then ask your question to yourself, who's paranoid?
As of late 2003: "Only some 3,000 out of 1.4 million active duty servicemen and women are Jewish, about two-tenths of one percent. When it comes to Marines, the numbers are even more startling. It's one out of 1,000. One-tenth of one percent. That gives new meaning to the term "minority.""
link to jewishjournal.com
If you want a real sample slice of the demograhic makeup of our US Army grunts,
look at the ethnic and socio-economic background of the 17 or so blitzkreig supply train grunts captured
along with Pvt Jessica Lynch "form the Hollers" of Appalachia.
Hard to get comparative figures. Here's the observation of a Jewish officer in the US Airforce
back in 2001 regarding how few MOTs he found during the early days of the "war on terror": link to jweekly.com
Those who join the IDF obviously feel they are a part of their tribal community much more than a member of the "proposition USA nation."
Witty to syvanen: "Humane Zionism is the mix of Zionism and democracy that is majority democracy in the mix, but still dual. "
Israel considers itself a democracy, the only one in the Middle East, and brags about
it all the time, echoed by the USA Congress. syvanen listed some Israeli dual policy examples and asks Witty, how is this state of affairs progressive?
Witty says syvanen is playing bait and switch. What is the face of "humane Zionism?" Where outside Witty's mind does it exist, and how so in detail?
Witty gives us only abstractions to make his case. Are we to think "separate but equal?" Water fountains? Equal access to water itself?
Gee I think it's reasonable to conclude that in some situations whas is progressive
for one is regressive for another. Not only as to the I-P scenario and timeline, but as to domestic politics there and in the USA. The best of intentions...
"I don’t understand anybody’s need to have a gun, why they can’t work things out respectfully using words. Power comes out of..."
I don't understand Witty's comment. Does anyone? Maybe it's got something to
do with having been burglarized, robbed, jumped by a gang, or having been given
a gun by government and instructed to treat it like one's girlfriend, or that in many areas of this country the cops all too often come after the fact, or the fact that
one of the first steps of the Third Reich was to ban gun ownership?
In the case of guns, a lot of the hypocrisy is ignorance, as in the old saw "A liberal is somebody who hasn't been mugged." Socio-economic class. Remember when Bush
Sr found himself one day at a grocery store checkout counter, wondering what that thingy was, that price scanner? As to the value of "diversity," well that doesn't apply
to me and my kind, just to you and your kind. "Silent Holocaust."
Israel has a citizen army; the USA has a Hessian Army, de facto as to those who serve
in the combat arms, and de jure as to those who serve in the outfits like Blackwater.
i mean synthesis
Actually Hegel dialectics: thesis-antithesis-sythesis
Tell us, Richard, without reverting to abstractions, and in detail, what you think
Obama should do regarding the I-P situation. For starters, what should he do about the settlements? What should he say about N's conditions for peace by way of
a two state solution?
Well, yes Richard, settlers died here too, and remember Custer and his troops. Try to frame the bigger picture--I'm sure you would readily do that with Custer, as you would readily honor the death of American civil rights carriers, especially the famous three. That was all dialectic too, no? Didn't we fight WW2, followed by the Nuremberg trials and the institution of crimes against humanity? Hegel dealt in
point, counterpoint, synergy. You need to acknowledge facts on the ground. Apaches terrorized; were they wrong? The Warsaw Ghetto arose, were they wrong? The GROSS ommission is yours, not Phil's.
Can't you read Mister Witty? Here's Phil's stance: "...history shows that colonial regimes do not relinquish power without popular struggle and resistance, or direct international pressure... The apartheid regime in South Africa, for instance, was ended after years of struggle with the vital aid of an international campaign of sanctions, divestments and boycotts. If one had suggested to the oppressed South Africans living in bantustans to try and understand the other point of view (i.e. the point of view of South African white supremacists), people would have laughed at such a ridiculous notion."
The question is not, should Israel exist, but how can Americans support it the way it is and sleep at night, and ditto any Jew who claims universal moral values.
By overlooking the manner of Israel's founding and the manner of its maintence and expansion--and the reality of power politics, you insult everyone who bothers
to spend time on this blog. No wonder Phil does not bother to talk to you.
Phil says nothing in his article that has not been explained to you endlessly on this blog in the comments section.
Can we assume Richard Witty would be against any Israeli boycott of Swedish products under his theory that he deems BDS against Israel anti=progressive "dissent"? I notice he did not comment on Margaret's comment. I don't know if
the Swedish news article on the IDF harvesting Palestinian kidneys is true, but I do know that there were rabbis in the USA in NJ involved in organ harvesting and there's an Israeli connection there. I've also noticed that data is not in the MSM.
Margaret, please consider that Japan is a major economic power,Japan has the world's second-largest economy by nominal GDP and the third largest in purchasing power parity. Japan has a significant military equipped with modern defense systems, such as AEGIS, and boasts a large fleet of destroyers. It is also the world's fourth largest exporter and sixth largest importer. It is additionally a member of the G-8 and is the sole Asian power in that organization. It is a developed country with high living standards (8th highest HDI). Japan has the highest life expectancy of any country in the world (according to both UN and WHO estimates) and the third lowest infant mortality rate. Now, do you think
any minority in Japan has influence even remotely equal to AIPAC's?
There are exceptions always, but don't you know what the term "PC" means?
spelling correx: I mean Jewish ethnic nepotism.
I agree. I also despise the WASP elites of the past but they never pushed for the benefit of a foreign state at the expense of the country they were born and raised in--at least not after the Revolutionary War. Further, the history of Jewish ethnic neopotism is as long as the Jewish diaspora, and, despite being given full equality
in the USA, this ethnic depotism has never died at all.
When's the last time you saw a Hollywood movie or TV sitcom or cable movie where the Jew self-identifies as such in the movie or show, or its very obvious, and he or she is anything but either a sensitive humanitarian or at worst, a bit of a neurotic nerd, but always meaning well? I fully agree with you that the content of TV entertainment
constantly paints what you say it does--and even more, and it's all meant to both make
money by catoring to fantasy and cosumerism--and also catering to identity politics
where the scape-goat character(s) is/are--nearly always, guess who?
"I don't care if Americans think we're running the news media, Hollywood, Wall Street or the government. I just care that we get to keep running them."
link to latimes.com
What's the difference between "control" and merely a severely disproportionate number of honchos in the most influential arenas who "happen to be Jewish"?
Is that just because "cream rises to the top"?
Why is the USA the only western nation doing routine circumcision?
I know, I know, I just came from YouTube, from watching those crazy American Jewish settlers captured on digital video cameras....
Don't all mass movements begin with statements of dissent? Aren't revolutions more or less always stumbled into?
The PC orthodoxy prevalent in the USA and Europe holds that only white gentiles can be guilty of racism and anti-semitism; and so anything they say critical of other ethnic and/or racial groups can be dismissed as motivated by their official mental disease.
Is Richard Witty in that pickup truck with the Stars & Bars license plate, rumbling down that dirty old road? I'm sure he does not think so...
But how can they do that when Ricard Witty labels dissent as poison?
LOL.Witty really is a nitwit. He's like a really ugly stump Alice in Wonderland. The difference is he's not Alice, more the rabbit.
But Witty is an accountant, and he rubber-stamps what his clients pay him for doing.
He's like a Moody's rating stock; you get what you pay for.
In the case of Israel's conduct, he offer his services for free because that is his first loyalty--he is, after all, a self-confessed Zionist.
Very important point you bring up, America First. On the one hand, Jewish entertainment always stresses Jewish guilt, usually in an attack 0n the Jewish mom for being too manipulative by the use of induced guilt. All gentiles should feel guilty
and give the Jews a blank check. Collective responsibility is always applicable to
white gentiles. Watch how the Obama regime handles the Third World and also that part of it resident in the USA. Can you say Acorn and Barney Frank and Shitty Bank and Goldman Sucks?
True, syvanen. No white gentile can effectively criticize organized and collective jewish conduct, same as he/she cannot criticise similar black conduct. All white gentiles are subject to the lack of credibility attached to their ancestors. Separate but equal never means equal. Somehow, diversity is believed to mean something else.
All politicians consent and dissent using universal language (rhetoric), the degree of its use depends on who they are speaking to at any given time and place. They are all tailors.
correx: if there ever is any to be had
Is it possible to be truly universal via root identification with any religion, ethnic group, or race? Perhaps monotheism, while beguiling from a freudian POV and seductive in terms of the concept of a chain beginning somewhere, is part of the problem. Many gods with human and animal attributes may better mirror life in the sense that humans are supreme on earth and nobody knows if there is a heaven or hell? Seems polytheism may actually be more honest? Personally, the logic of ethical/moral principles applied to all in any given same situation seems to me the way
towards humane progress is there ever is any to be had.
Witty: "It is a great irony that the thesis that Phil originally promoted relative to the Israel Lobby, that they functionally attempt to suppress alternative perspectives, occurs so prominently here, and so regularly among the left (not only among the left, did you see the Barney Frank youtube response at a health care debate?)."
Richard, what planet do you live on? You think AIPAC and Phil are equally powerful?
How often has Phil or his take on issues appeared on TV? Does Phil get an annual dole from
the US taxpayers?