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doug
Long time Commentary, Mondo, and TPMCAFE reader who would like to see peace in Isreal and Palestine. Not Jewish but have been greatly and positively infuenced by the Jews in my life.
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My gf, a longime subscriber to the New Yorker, was astonished that anyone would perceive Remnick as "obsessed with Israel" let alone somehow anti-Israel. But then while she is somewhat liberal, she's not Jewish. She just loves the magazine.
Even George W. Bush! noted this:
"Swiss cheese isn't going to work when it comes to the outlines of a state," Bush said in Ramallah.
link to thejewishweek.com
I have a different take. It's that, quite simply, Krugman is not all that interested in Israel. Israel, even executing policies he equates to slow national suicide, is not as important to him as his other work focused on America. This will get more opprobrium heaped on him than MJR.
Taking him at his word, it is even more impressive that he would say this so casually in the Times. Or anywhere in public. This is BIG!
The meme that Iran is out to kill all Jews has been in a Drudge linked story for a few days.
link to wnd.com
It's written by a nutjob who has pushed this line for some time. The nutjob has stated Iran has a thousand suitcase weapons grade U235 nukes scattered around the US and other such nonsense. At least Chalabi didn't make claims that violate the laws of physics. That the guy gets an audience reflects the current insanity.
Hitler didn't just kill 6,000,000 Jews, his ghost haunts to this day stoking paranoia.
"WWII. Everyone thinks WWII was a just war. But since Paul, as Pollitt puts it, is against everything the U.S. government does, domestically or internationally, there is every reason to think he would have opposed FDR's decision that we had to join in the fight both for moral and strategic reasons."
Has Slater forgotten that FDR didn't "join in the fight for moral and strategic reasons?" The United States entered the war against Japan after Japan declared War on us. The same was true some days later. We went to war with Germany after Germany declared war on us.
Perhaps Slater believes, like Herbert Hoover, that FDR did everything he could to get us into WWII and finagled Japan into attacking us by cutting off most of their oil. While that may be the case FDR didn't make that case. In fact FDR had the US join WWII by the now rather quaint mechanism of having Congress declare a state of war. Something subsequent presidents have avoided. Something Ron Paul says should be the only way the US enters wars of choice, let alone wars where we are overwhelmingly attacked first.
That said, FDR, like very few including even his VP, Truman, was aware of the potential power of nuclear weapons being actively developed and that Germany's nuclear science was perhaps as advanced as ours by 1940.
So maybe Herbert Hoover was right that FDR finagled us into WWII. If so he certainly had reasons that H. Hoover was not privy to. Herbert was of the opinion (back prior to France and England declaring war in support of Poland) that we should have just let the bastards (USSR and Germany) destroy each other.
My own belief is that Germany did us and the rest of the world a great favor by declaring war on us and if FDR finagled us into WWII through Japan it was appropriate.
I think it is a combination of hubris, a sense that Bibi controls the shots and will have US backing no matter what together with the feeling of increased isolationism from the rest of the world. It's caustic and self destructive. And sad.
Hophmi,
I guess you missed "Real Time" over the weekend. The point is pretty obvious.
So I gather had the Times' Berlin desk, in 1935, been held by someone who's son had left the States to join the German army that would have been just hunky dory. Right, what possible conflict of interest could there be.
Lerner's comment isn't about Jewish diversity but rather that there are many anti-Semites that just group all Jews as liberal. Obviously these nuts don't read Commentary.
Jeez. The guy is just a classic psychotic nut. Just a bit green and not well roasted. The desire of nearly every group to try to spin this to align his craziness against their enemies is absurdity on display.
Jeez Phil, it's pretty damned apparent it had nothing to do with you being Jewish.. But you knew that - lol.
As an aside, it's been many decades since I've heard someone spout the Jew=effiminate crap but a friend of mine, a Catholic, who is in a partnership with a Jew defers to his business judgement all the time saying, in effect, that he's good with money being a Jew and all. Stereotypes are used when actual knowledge of the area is lacking. She holds the same opinion of Chinese since she's from a country where 90% of the businesses are owned by ethnic Chinese yet they make up only a few percent of the population (See Chua). In now way was her comment meant as a negative, quite the opposite as she is well off herself and is very pro business.
That said I do remember such tropes as "Jews know how to bargain" and "ask a Jew since they know where to buy wholesale." Been a very long time though since I've heard this crap in combo with envy or a feeling Jews were screwing people.
Hitler? Please!
How many countries has Iran invaded?
He has NOT threatened to any such thing, only that he believes Israel, as a Zionest state will end, a rather widely held view in the region.
How long will the Holocaust haunt? Really. Paranoia strikes deep. Into your heart it will creep.....
Noble Savage writ large?
Goyishe kop.
Speaking of "The White Gene" Didn't I read recently that "whites" were found to be about 4% Neanderthal? Alley Oop, anyone? lol.
Yeah, I've noticed many a commentator saying that Israel just wanted to intercept weapons. Mostly, no one objected to this nonsense. Not a smart move as it makes one more skeptical of other claims.
Hey guys, ever heard of "Visa Waiver programs." These are done between countries with relatively friendly relations like the USA and France. Guess who has one with Israel and who doesn't, say, between the USA and Russia. The answer's obvious, right? Right???
Isn't it more "religionist" than racist? After all, Judaism provides for conversion even if only approved Orthodox converts can immigrate. Now if Palestinians aren't allowed to convert then I suppose that could be considered racist. But I don't know if they are or aren't. My guess is they wouldn't be well recieved by either group.
I'm not sure I think being "religionist" is less offensive than racism but I've never been big on the God thing.
It is remarkable that the report is often discussed, it's content isn't. It's as if, upon Isaac Newton's publication of Principia, the world's scientists ignored the contents and argued about whether it had any merit given Newton's fascination with alchemy.
The iconic liberal and recovering PEP, Tom Hayden, described this well. Emotional attachment clouds the intellect or worse, directs the intellect. Hayden's first hand account:
link to counterpunch.org
FWIW, I don't view Obama or Clinton as dogs, but it's pretty clear Bibi does.
Training a dog is hard. If the dog doesn't get it you just have to keep repeating the action until it does. Congress doesn't need more training. BHO and HRC just needed a little extra instruction.
Why can't the discussion be had? I think it mostly comes down to fear that Jews will be blamed for all the world's ills. Nazi Germany redux. Israel, for all its faults, is the safe haven. A friend well connected with the Jewish-Iranian diaspora indicated there was widespread fear that the US would turn against them back at the start of the Great Recession.
It makes no sense to me - the US is not 1930's Germany - but then my older relatives didn't die in the Holocaust. The past haunts, not just instructs.
Citizen
Why are you upset? Did you seriously anticipate any other response? Every now and then a dog must be reminded they are not the Alpha. Expect the more than the usual grovelling and kissy kissy next week. Having demonstrated its dominance, Israel will encounter little resistance in its pell mell self destructive direction. At least from the US.
I don't know Mooser. I got my first job from a Jewish friend of my father. It turned out to be quite an opportunity. Maybe Phil needs to find different Jewish friends.
That is some putrid article. Someone should go through the NYTs archives for similarly racist opinions about native Americans and shame the "Paper of Record."
Mooser,
Rationalization is a wonderful and flexible thing and it's not stubborn, unlike facts or even the myths it creates like "A land without people for a people without land."
Isn't that also what the self described "racialists" such as Jared Taylor's American Renaissance also say? Shades of seperate but equal. Same ol' same ol' sounds good but it never was equal and the pretense required active ignorance. Icky.
"defend itself?" Of course. Nor did Goldstone "forget that," he just opines that the right of self defense doesn't include, well, here's his own words:
As some wag said, it's long been obvious who's the dog and who's the tail.
According to haartz, the settlements issue has been, um, settled.
link to haaretz.com
A special team in the youth department of the Petah Tikva municipality will locate [Jewish – DR] girls in the habit of meeting with men from minorities and will assist them.
I just don't get it. The girls would appear not to need any assistance,
Marty's comments remind me of a Radio Havana show I heard decades ago. Castro was asked about why Cuba didn't allow voices critical of communism to be heard. In essence, his argument was the same as Marty's. That such criticism was obviously "wrong" and Cuba had the right - and responsibility - to suppress what was "wrong." Such has always been the argument against the free press. Fortunately, Marty's kingdom is small if not uninfluential.
Richard,
You have wonderful women in your life. Your mother, your wife, your sisters.
I concur.
"he fell lure to a goy shiksa"
Ah, tribalism. Same with America whites and blacks. It's something to overcome but is somewhat universal. As a Japanese might mutter "Nihon no haji (shame of Japan)," It is the really the shame of humanity.
When Carter spoke of “likely” he referred to the likud vision of gradual annexation as likely. The very said aspect of that, is that it would not result in a single democratic state, but that likud would isolate Banustans, and permanently.
Indeed, that seems far and away the most probable. Followed in decreasing probability, transfer, then the unstable and almost impossible one state solution.
Of course the Banustans have to be maintained by force amidst increased international oprobrium. This is one of the reasons Israel wants us as embedded as possible in the M.E. Iraq was the watershed. As American exceptionalism decays amidst economic decline the situation in 20 years or so looks bleak. For both America and Israel. What is to be done?
I love the Podster's last comments!
I'm not a big fan of Lieberman but listening to Moynihan wax on about this or that on the Senate floor was enchanting. I miss the man.
I loved Seinfeld but think I'll skip Bruno. Thanks for the heads up.