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  • Iran deal is overwhelmingly supported by American voters -- 54 to 38 percent
    • Let us begin by noting that the Iranian nuclear issue is but a pretext for achieving strategic objectives. The US wants Iran controlled, whereas, Israel wants Iran destroyed. Over at CounterPunch, Ismael Hussein-Zadeh analyzes the deal from a strategic perspective with interesting conclusions. He feels that the empire more or less achieved its objectives with Iran subject to snap-back sanctions at the US discretion. Interestingly, this result was a victory for the Iranian elites who favor neoliberalism and their own wealth and power versus those who wanted to develop Iranian autonomy which would jeopardize current elite status. This, of course, has implications for Russia where there is also between the Atlanticist globalists and those favoring national autonomy. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Below is a somewhat long quote from the article followed by the link. I am going to make an exploratory attempt to italicize the quote with HTML symbols.

      "The question is why did the Iranian ruling circles, represented by the Rouhani administration, accept such an unsavory deal?

      In the face of the brutal economic sanctions, threatening an economic collapse and potentially a popular uprising that would threaten the power and property of the ruling elites, these elites faced (and, indeed, extensively debated) two alternatives to solve Iran’s economic problems and preserve their rule: “resistance” economics vs. austerity economics.

      According to resistance economics, suggested by Ayatollah Khamenei and supported by radical segments of opposition voices to neoliberal policies of the Rouhani administration, Iran should view economic sanctions as an opportunity to become self-reliant: to utilize domestic talents and resources in order to become self-sufficient by producing as many of the consumer goods and other industrial products as possible. Indeed, by following, more or less, this philosophy of resistance economics prior to the rise of Mr. Rouhani to presidency, Iran made considerable progress in scientific research, technological know-how and manufacturing industries. Proponents of this alternative also advocate relatively strong social safety net programs to protect the financially disadvantaged segments of citizens.

      The other alternative, advocated by the Rouhani administration and its allies, calls for the adoption of supply-side, neoliberal or austerity economics. According to this doctrine, solutions to economic stagnation, poverty and under-development lie in unhindered market mechanism and unreserved integration into world capitalist system. Recessions, joblessness and economic hardship in many less-developed countries are not so much due to economic mismanagement or the nature of global capitalism as they are because of government intervention and/or exclusion from world capitalist markets.

      As most of the former leaders of the 1979 revolution have aged, their earlier revolutionary appetite for radical economic alternatives also seems to have faded. By the same token, they seem to have acquired an avid appetite for the accumulation of power and property. Accordingly, the revolutionaries-turned-oligarchs, both in and outside the Rouhani administration, have shunned “resistance” economics in favor of the U.S.-style austerity economics as remedy to Iran’s economic ills and, therefore, to the salvation of their rule. (Ismael Hossein-Zadeh) link to

  • Greece’s Syriza makes military deal with Israel that only US has made
    • CATALAN- "The new generation has no remorse for the evil deeds of its mass murder grandparents and just don’t care."

      What crap! The average German has nothing to do with this. It all comes down to the banks and neoliberalism. The real question for me is why you hate the German Goyim so much? You are acting as if World War II was yesterday. Perhaps you and Tokyobk should get together or at least correspond. You two would have a lot to talk about.

      CATALAN- "The problem is that Germany has found a way to enslave all of Europe, this time financially."

      Germany is part of empire with rather limited ability for discretionary action. If independent, they would never have gone along with the sanctions against Russia which are hurting Germany as least as much Russia. Part of the reason for these sanctions is to punish Germany for even considering closer ties with Russia which would have conflicted with imperial objectives. That is what the coup in the Ukraine was all about. And when the dust there settles, the empire will expect the German people to absorb a lot of that financial burden.

    • CATALAN- "The Europeans have to decide if they want to transfer money to all the poorer countries, not just Greece...."

      The Troika (not the Europeans) have not transferred any money to Greece. They have bailed out European banks and Wall Street hedge funds. It has long been known that that these loans are unpayable and would need to be restructured for the Greek economy to grow. But Greece is being destroyed as an object lesson to the other smaller nations to not resist imperial financial control. Now the banksters effectively own Greece and will proceed to privatize everything they can, which is what neoliberalism is all about. This is an example of financial warfare and economic conquest. The creation of the Eurozone was a huge blunder insofar as the European Central Bank effectively controls the European political economy at the macro level. Unfortunately, it will be very difficult for Greece to extricate itself from these created financial dependencies. I provide just one quote and link, however, there are many more at progressive websites like Counterpunch, Znet, Global Research, etc.

      "It’s never been more obvious that Greece has been sold out to the banks. Like many countries before, their nation has been scheduled to endure poverty and chaos, followed by a firesale of their assets.

      The latest evidence of their nation’s capture by the banks, is the selling of their numerous islands to wealthy buyers.

      American business magnate, one of the world’s most successful investors, Warren Buffett has reportedly bought the Greek island of Agios Thomas for 15 mln euro, according to the website of the Greek newspaper Proto Thema and became yet another celebrity with his own piece of Greece." (Joshua KKrause) link to

    • Mark my words, the complete capitulation of Syriza and the economic destruction of Greece has doomed the left in Greece and possibly all of Europe for the forseeable future. The disgruntled Greeks will likely turn towards Golden Dawn as fascism returns to Europe aided and abetted by empire. And, yes, the Troika is part of empire.

  • Vast majority of Palestinian citizens of Israel support the Iran deal
    • Let us begin by noting that the empire is using a bogus concern over the Iranian nuclear program as a pretext in order to secure geostrategic objectives, one of which is to increase the US ability to influence/control Iran. With this in mind, there is a must read analysis by Ismael Hossein-Zadeh over at CounterPunch which puts all of this in strategic perspective. I provide a quote followed by a link.

      "It also helps explain why the deal, if ratified by the U.S. congress, may do more damage to Iran than stinting its scientific research and development, or holding back its technological progress. Perhaps more importantly, it would undermine Iran’s sovereignty as it would find it difficult to resist or oppose to U.S. (and its allies’) geopolitical designs in the region lest that should trigger a “snap-back” of economic sanctions.

      Indeed, in the event of any future geopolitical disagreement or dispute with the U.S. and its allies Iran would be facing a situation akin to a plea bargaining scenario: take what it is offered, or face “crippling” economic sanctions.

      Viewed in this light, the post-nuclear deal Iran would not be in a position to resist, let alone influence, the U.S. (and its allies’) geopolitical designs in the region. And this is why, contrary to popular perceptions, the deal represents a victory not for Iran (and its allies) but for U.S. allies such as Israel and Saudi Arabia—Benjamin Netanyahu’s screaming and breast-beating notwithstanding." (Ismael Hossein-Zadeh) link to

  • Christian Zionists expose their anti-Semitism at conservative summit in Iowa
    • TOKYOBK- "This is a case of an author not understanding his audience."

      What a pathetic excuse for you to once again launch unsubstantiated ad hominem accusations against other Mondoweiss commenters. By the way, I am still waiting for you to back up your accusation that I compiled "Jew lists." You did this in the same paragraph where you brought up that some of your relatives had been killed during World War II by the ensatzgruppen. I assume that you said "Jew lists" instead of a listing of Jews (which I don't recall in any event) in order to conflate me with the Nazi ensatzgruppen, a thoroughly despicable and dishonest act on your part. All you seem to do is to make unsubstantiated allegations of anti-Semitism utilizing ad hominem arguments against strawmen of your own creation. What scholarly works have you ever referenced besides your defense of Daniel Goldhagen? According to Norman Finkelstein, "The historical evidence for a murderous Gentile impulse is nil. Daniel Goldhagen's ponderous effort to prove one variant of this claim in "Hitler's Willing Executioners" barely rose to the comical." (p49, The Holocaust Industry)

      Why are you so obsessed with anti-Semitism while avoiding serious discussion except to claim that Gentiles who ask questions or have opinions that differ from your myth-history are essentially anti-Semites? It seems to me that you are emphasizing the Jewish side of your family tree in order to maintain your status in your Jewish club where you rub elbows with your Ashkenazi brethren while eating good food and drinking fine wine, basking in the reflective glow of a shared sense of Jewish suffering. Gilded victimhood. Sure beats the alternative doesn't it? But is it necessary to be so dishonest?

  • 'If we don't take out Iran,' it will reenact the Holocaust in US and Israel -- Steven Emerson to Times Square rally
    • HOPHMI- "This is EXACTLY the kind of thing Adolf Hitler used to say."

      Jeez, I didn't know you were so interested in the words and philosophy of Hitler and the Nazis. Spend a lot of time in the archives, do you? And how thoughtful to use his full name so that we don't confuse him with his brother Kyle.

      HOPHMI- "It's the kind of thing neo-Nazis say today."

      Been to Kiev talking to the fellas in Svaboda and Pravy Sektor? Were you able to chat with Victoria Nuland and George Soros? You Zionists always were able to get along with the Nazis and now neo-Nazis. Something I am sure I could never do.

    • MRW- "The satellite records since 1979, what is normally called the historical record these days, do not show a “serious threat to life.” If I am mistaken, please enlighten me."

      The full quote is "serious threat to life as we know it." Before I provide a few quotes from the IPCC fifth assessment and the Pentagon Threat Assessment report, a few preliminary comments are in order. First of all, the notion that some climate denying Professor has more "gravitas" than the IPCC is laughable. Your idea of gravitas is anyone who shares your bias. As for global cooling since 1998, we have already discussed this. After any record year, all of you deniers start your graphs at the record year to show "cooling" in subsequent non-record years. This is a sufficiently childish misuse of statistics to subject you to ridicule. The average decadal temperature for 2000 through 2009 was warmer than the 1990s (which include 1998), which in turn was warmer than the 1980s. And you can sure as hell bet that 2010 through 2019 will be warmer than 2000 through 2009.

      MRW- "As a matter of fact, I am willing to go out on a limb and state that by 2018 we will see the PDO and AMO both negative. We will be in the beginning of a global cooling cycle that will have grave economic consequences for the world."

      Well, if it stops warming and starts cooling, does that mean global warming is a hoax? Or simply a good faith difference of opinion? So are you and Dr. Judith Curry co-authoring a joint paper for submission to the appropriate technical journal to call attention to this startling conclusion? Get the peer review process started? So you are saying that I should ignore melting glaciers and warming oceans and run out and buy long underwear? Do you really think that climate scientists are unaware of the effects of solar activity? A bunch of nincompoops who need you to straighten them out? Enough of this. Quotes and links below.

      According to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change:

      "Thousands of scientists from all over the world contribute to the work of the IPCC on a voluntary basis. Review is an essential part of the IPCC process, to ensure an objective and complete assessment of current information. IPCC aims to reflect a range of views and expertise." link to

      Some bullet points from the latest Assessment Report:

      "Human influence on the climate system is clear, and recent anthropogenic emissions of greenhouse gases are the highest in history. Recent climate changes have had widespread impacts on human and natural systems."

      "Continued emission of greenhouse gases will cause further warming and long-lasting changes in all components of the climate system, increasing the likelihood of severe, pervasive and irreversible impacts for people and ecosystems."

      "Without additional mitigation efforts beyond those in place today, and even with adaptation, warming by the end of the 21st century will lead to high to very high risk of severe, widespread and irreversible impacts globally (high confidence)."
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      Pentagon 2014 Threat Assessment Report:

      " The Pentagon on Monday released a report asserting decisively that climate change poses an immediate threat to national security, with increased risks from terrorism, infectious disease, global poverty and food shortages." (NYT)
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    • MRW- "The EU, under Washington’s thumb, ignored him."

      I can assure you that Washington didn't ignore him. There is no way that the US would tolerate a Russian-European alliance. That is what the Ukraine is all about. Those initial plans are no longer tenable and Germany is being punished for even thinking about being disloyal to the Godfather, that is partly what these sanctions are all about. So the pipeline plans move ever farther south and the countries less stable, ripe for US inspired Islamist Jihadists.

      MRW- "Why would the “New Silk Road” be an environmental disaster?"

      Because it continues the hydrocarbon intensive development model which is an environmental disaster. Even though you have expressed the opinion that global warming is a hoax, it has become obvious to most that it is a serious threat to life as we know it. There is a reason that we refer to green house gasses as green house gasses. No, MRW, the planet has not been cooling since 1998.

    • BREWER- "How China and Russia Are Running Rings Around Washington By Pepe Escobar"

      Pepe Escobar has written some good stuff in the past, however, the notion that BRICS is a counterweight to empire is delusional. I am not going to go into detail, but suffice it to say that India is led by a Hindu fascist that attacks Indian Muslims, and is cosying up to empire and Israel. The "New Silk Road" does not exist and would be easy to interdict. If actually completed, it would be an environmental disaster, yet another example of Russia and China misperceiving the 21st century political economy. None of these countries can truly project military power into the Middle East, Russia perhaps somewhat, but they are tied-up with the Ukraine. China is unable to take effective economic action without jeopardizing the global economy and probably destroying their own. All of the major levers of strategic power are controlled by empire. If China and Russia could thwart empire they already would have. Oh sure, the plan looks nice, but at one time so did Syriza.

  • The global arms race between the US and China is devastating Africa and the Middle East
    • BANDOLERO "...and that US-led behaviour is exactly what destroys countries and what’s most devastating for much of Africa, Western Asia and many other countries of the third world. See eg Somalia, Ruanda, Sudan, Yugoslavia, Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Ukraine and Yemen for the effects of the US behaviour...."

      That is exactly right. Whatever one thinks about Chinese business practices, they are not currently waging a "long war" against much of the world. The empire is on a rampage, destroying any country not sufficiently subservient to the imperial agenda. China is doing nothing of the sort. There is no equivalency, and to suggest that the conflict in South Sudan is the consequence of the US and China competing for arms sales is profoundly dishonest and, in my view, de facto imperial apologetics.


      A quote and link on South Sudan from Glen Ford and the Black Agenda Report.

      "For decades, the United States and Israel sought to bring about the fracturing of Sudan, which had been, geographically, the largest nation in Africa. Secession of the South was a special project of Israel, whose most enduring and fundamental foreign policy is to spread chaos and dissention in the Muslim and Arab worlds. Sudan, under the political control of the mostly Muslim North, joined the Arab League immediately upon independence, in 1956. Israel has sought to destabilize Sudan ever since, both to strike a blow at “Arabized” Africans and to curry favor among Christians on the continent.

      Dismembering Sudan became a U.S. obsession under Bill Clinton, who bombed a pharmaceuticals factory in the capital city, Khartoum, in 1998, falsely claiming it was a chemical weapons facility. After 9/11 Sudan moved to the top of President Bush’s enemies list. The U.S. and Israel provided arms and training to rebel groups in Darfur, in the west of the Sudan, fueling another front of civil war.

      So, what have the South Sudanese won? Certainly, not independence. It’s just another oil rich, neocolonial spot on the map of U.S. empire." (Glen Ford) link to

    • BANDOLERO- "I think the article is grossly misleading...."

      I agree. To frame this as some sort of arms export competition is nuts. The US is engaging in massive military operations and proxy warfare in order to prevent China from doing business in Africa. The primary emphasis is on oil which the US seeks to control for geostrategic reasons. Thomas Mountain explains the reality of South Sudan:

      "Its all about oil. The USA wants China out of its only oil field in Africa and will pay what it takes to get whomever to do its dirty work, whether the Contra “rebel army” in Nicaragua 30 years ago (back then it was Reagan’s War) or Riek Machar’s “rebel army” fighting “Obama’s War” in South Sudan today.

      Lets face it, when it comes to the USA’s “national interests”, as in preventing Chinese access to African oil, there is no limit to the crimes the USA will instigate and fund, no matter how many millions of Africans are left to rot in refugee camps or worse, starving in the bush in South Sudan." (Thomas Mountain) link to

  • Democrats are 'uncomfortable' with Iran deal because Netanyahu is so 'influential in our country' -- Rep. Ellison
    • CATALAN- "Whatever cultural differences exist between America and Bulgaria, the power of the Jews seems to be a universal meme."

      Does this "universal meme" reflect objective reality or is it your attempt to insinuate universal and irrational anti-Semitism? Is organized Jewry relatively powerful or not? Are Gentiles irrational Jew haters or not?

  • The Iran deal: a triumph of irrationality
    • HOPHMI- "It is? How so?"

      Iran and most of the nations and people of the world support a nuclear free Middle East while the US and Israel continue to scuttle these initiatives. Iran is in full compliance with the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty while the US and Israel are in flagrant violation. The US for continuing to upgrade its nuclear arsenal instead of good faith efforts to eliminate nuclear weapons, Israel by developing a vast nuclear arsenal in secret in direct violation of the agreement. There is no question about who the nuclear war mongers are.

      The US has been waging serial wars around the world based upon flimsy pretexts. The US has also been trying to achieve Iranian regime change ever since the revolution which overthrew the Shah. Iran was one of the seven countries on the neocon list for regime change shown to General Wesley Clark. The nuclear issue is but a pretext for the soft power and covert ops warfare the US is currently engaged in against Iran. The empire is seeking to destroy Russia, control Iran and contain China in order to lock in global hegemony in the 21st century. I believe the neocons have written extensively about this. Furthermore, the US foreign policy establishment is riddled with neocons and Zionists. The neocon dream of endless war is now official policy. The US and Israel are the two greatest threats to world peace by far.

    • HOPHMI- "This is, bar none, the stupidest analysis I’ve seen of this deal, left or right."

      The main thrust of the article that Iran's nuclear program was simply a pretext to justify soft power warfare against Iran is beyond dispute. That the demonization of Iran in the media includes both cultural and racial stereotypes is hardly controversial. As for the racial makeup of the Israeli citizenry, I suspect that most Americans see predominantly Ashkenazi Jews, certainly the Israeli leadership appears overwhelmingly so. No, Hophmi, your problem is how engage in lock-step Zionist conformity in opposing any reduction in hostilities without having to defend the ludicrous pretexts, hence, attack the author.

  • Video: Israelis in West Jerusalem call for attack on Iran
    • ROHA- "I’m not sure that it would have been immediately obvious to the average German that Nazism was against their interests."

      Indeed, under the circumstances, the Nazis may have appeared to be the lesser of two evils. Turning to Greece, with the betrayal of Syriza, will many Greeks turn to Golden Dawn in desperation? All part of a bigger plan? There is a long and sordid history of US support for European fascism for strategic reasons. Svaboda and Right Sector two recent examples.

    • SIBIRIAK- "But how applicable is the sexual repression theory today?"

      The explanation that fascism was a consequence of sexual repression is just as ludicrous now as it was then. Furthermore, anyone who continues to take Freud and psychoanalysis seriously is crazy.

  • Nine reasons Obama is going to win on Iran. The first: Netanyahu
    • JUST- "Who else did one damn thing?"

      Unfortunately, most of what he (his administration, actually) has done has been terrible. He has become the very embodiment of a neocon foreign policy (endless war everywhere) and neoliberal domestic policy (money to the banks, privatization for the peons). The world is in flames, the environment in tatters, the empire running amok. In regards to the well-being of the 99%, the Obama administration is easily the worst administration ever, continuing a trend begun after World War II. He is not the lesser evil, he is the more effective evil, even now risking a nuclear holocaust in order to destroy Russia to secure absolute imperial hegemony. Had he not done "one damn thing," the world would be in much better shape. TPP anyone?

    • CATALAN- "...and hopefully, the adoption of the Iranian constitution here."

      Article 19
      All people of Iran, whatever the ethnic group or tribe to which they belong, enjoy equal rights; and color, race, language, and the like, do not bestow any privilege. - See more at: link to

      How does this compare with the Israeli constitution? What, Israel has no constitution? Why not?

  • Angela Merkel makes a 14-year old Palestinian girl cry by telling her she is not welcome in Germany
    • GERMAN LEFTY- "Germany is expected to give a whole lot of money to Greece unconditionally."

      Germany hasn't given ANY money to Greece. All of these "bailouts" go toward paying off the odious debt that the banksters saddled the Greek people with. Whatever German tax money is involved is going to German and foreign banks, not to Greece.

      Unconditionally? Are you this misinformed? The entire Greek economy has been effectively destroyed, all public spending slashed to the point of causing severe hardship, and now the entire country is to be privatized, everything of value sold to creditors at fire sale prices. You also need to be aware that Goldman Sachs helped cook Greece's books to get into the EU, and that Mario Draghi, head of the EU central bank is a former Goldman Sachs executive.

      "The protected Greek islands, ports, water companies, airports, the entire panoply of national patrimony, is to be sold to the One Percent. At bargain prices, of course, but the subsequent water bills will not be bargains." (Paul Craig Roberts) link to

      "The entire arrangement reeks of a seizure of sovereignty, the use of debt bondage and creditor supervision instead of the customary weapons associated with a military invasion. Further to the usual barbarities of savaging the local economy, be it increases in value added taxes, cutting pensions and the placing of automatic spending constraints, a jumble sale of 50 billion euros worth of public assets is being forced upon Greece. Greece, in other words, is effectively being told to sell itself into private hands." (Binoy Kammark) link to

      "On July 12, Greece surrendered abjectly and totally. Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras, who had promised to combat the austerity measure that are driving the Greek people to ruin, poverty and suicide, betrayed all his promises, denied the will of the people expressed in the July 5 referendum, and led the Greek parliament to accept an agreement with the nation’s creditors even worse than all those that had already caused the economy to shrink and which further abandoned the last scraps of national sovereignty." (Diana Johnstone) link to

  • The brave new world of mapping occupied East Jerusalem
    • CITIZEN- "I think most Mondoweisers would agree with me."

      Perhaps so, however, those examples are just the tip of a massive iceberg. While some Americans are concerned with domestic surveillance, how many consider the implications for Russia, China, Iran or any Third World country? Russian VISA transactions are processed in the US, for example, the information more readily available to empire than Putin. Google probably has more data on Chinese internet users than the People's Republic does. Further, the internet and social media have become the new mass media permitting those with economic power to more effectively tailor their propaganda to various groups. A catalyst for the Egyptian Arab Spring was the "We Are All Khaled Said" web page started by a Google marketing executive under the pseudonym "Elshaheeed" (The Martyr). The explosive growth of the commercial uses of the internet have made foreign countries and business as dependent upon this US controlled information highway as upon access to energy. And then there is the evolution of web based virtual social relationships with profound consequences. One consequence is the formation of virtual mobs with attendant mob psychology. As one contemplates the massive ramifications of all of this, it should be apparent that high speed computers and global telecommunications have brought changes that I couldn't have imagined even a short time ago which have profoundly altered the dynamics of power. link to

    • IRISHMOSES- "It is really becoming very creepy and scary stuff."

      I doubt that most Mondoweissers have thought about or would agree with me that the internet, in conjunction with Google, Facebook, etc, has resulted in a quantum leap in imperial soft power.

  • Naim Ateek's moral arc of the universe
    • MARC ELLIS- (quoting Naim Ateek)- "The Bishops in essence took a stand to support the status quo."

      With rare exception, organized religion has always supported the status quo and will continue to do so.

      MAIN ATEEK- "It takes strong leaders with the courage that Jesus Christ and the prophets modeled for us to champion the cause of the oppressed...."

      Perhaps these leaders are aware of what happened to Jesus of Nazareth and less-than-confident in their own resurrection?

      (quoting MLK) - “The moral arc of the universe is long, but it bends toward justice."

      A comforting sentiment, perhaps, but is there any empirical evidence to support this? From where I am sitting, humanity is headed toward the edge of the cliff at warp speed, justice a moot point in the face of extinction.

  • 'NYT' discovers elephant in living room: 'Pro-Israel billionaires'
    • I think it would help to keep things in perspective if we changed our terminology to reflect the changed conditions in our society as our capitalist nobility assumes the role of the feudal nobility of bygone days. Hence, Lord Adelson and Lord Saban. Show some respect!

  • British gov't welcomes Iran back into the 'community of nations' -- why can't we?
    • CATALAN- "It helps if people are not publicly executed."

      How would you catagorize the US trained and controlled death squads utilized in Latin America? Could the mounds of corpses, many tortured, be considered public? And when the US established similar death squads in Iraq, does that not offend your sensibilities? Ever heard of Col.(ret)James Steele? He was brought in to Iraq to duplicate his murderous techniques from Latin America. It was referred to as "the Salvadoran option." Nothing Iran has done even remotely compares with this. But being an empire Jew, you single mindedly condemn Iran in lock-step conformity. You can Google James Steele for more info. Below is a link to a Guardian documentary which persons of conscience will find interesting.
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  • Israel's real fear about the Iran deal: It puts pressure on the occupation
    • CATALAN- "You dislike the current world order. Is there any society, past or present, that embodies your ideals, at least partially?"

      I don't find it useful to search in the past for some sort of ideal society. I am aware of how things are now, where we seem to be headed versus where we ought to be headed. We should be moving as rapidly as possible towards maximizing local autonomy and a sustainable society. In stead, we are rapidly locking the entire planet into a global matrix of corporate/financial control which is unsustainable. And a dystopia for the 99% in any event. Giving you the benefit of the doubt that you really care what I think, you can, of course, go to my commenter profile and click the link to my blogspot which contains about 40 mini essays on topics which interest me, only one of which involves the Middle East.

    • HOPHMI- "...Holocaust denial is the province of neo-Nazis...."

      Well, I suppose that may depend upon what, exactly, constitutes Holocaust denial. Some include in the definition of "Holocaust denial" what is referred to as the trivialization of the Holocaust, which may include such things as comparing the killing of the six million with the death of perhaps 60 million non-Jews during World War II. This is considered to be trivializing. Or to the death of about 6 million Black Africans in the East Congo attributed to the Paul Kegame regime in furtherance of Western corporate objectives. Kegame, in fact, a Zionist favorite erroneously credited with saving lives in Rwanda. Since the 6 million Blacks did not constitute a genocide, comparing totals could be construed as a form of Holocaust denial and prosecuted in those countries where such laws exist. Or the comparison of the Holocaust with any other historical case of mass murder. Interestingly, if one considers all incidents of mass murder to be a "holocaust," then the ranters and ravers about Holocaust denial would be the biggest deniers of historical holocausts. It should be noted that Norman Finkelstein is frequently falsely and maliciously labelled a "Holocaust denier," because of his book "The Holocaust Industry," in which he documents the exploitation of the Holocaust by Zionists for political and economic advantage.

      One of the more curious aspects of this notion of Holocaust denial is that among the general population, the extent of knowledge about the World War II Holocaust and the number 6 million is probably one of the best known historical events. I would wager that if one were to survey US high school seniors in regards to World War II deaths, many more would be aware of the 6 million Jews than the 20 plus million Soviets. Use of the term "Holocaust denial," like eternal and irrational anti-Semitism, is primarily an unjustifiable act of intimidation by a powerful group against those who get in their way. Now be honest, Hophmi, do you really think Norman Finkelstein is a Holocaust denier?

    • CATALAN- "Or you just dislike all empires?"

      All empires, with the current global corporate/financial (American led) empire at the top of the list. Empires and Republics are incompatible.

    • CATALAN- "Here is a rule of thumb – if the country you visit deems Facebook a security threat, you might want to listen to what its citizens say about their lives with a grain of salt."

      Facebook, Twitter and all social media ARE a security threat for Iran which has to defend itself against US inspired and directed color revolutions. The internet and social media have resulted in a quantum leap in imperial soft power. Of course, for an empire Jew propagandist, that is a good thing.

    • HOPHMI- "Before the Revolution, the population was over 100,000. So I don't think that Jews generally find Iran a great place for them."

      Had it much better under the Shah, did they? Makes sense, what with Israel's support for the Shah and his secret police the SAVAK, which Israel helped train. Always nice to be associated with a wonderful guy like the Shah! Perhaps they were overcome with depression when their patron was overthrown?

  • Crisis for the lobby: Clinton bucks Saban, AIPAC doesn't know what to say
    • JOEMOWREY- "My money is (and has always been) on a war of aggression with Iran sooner or later."

      I would suggest that we are at war with Iran now. In this age of globalized full spectrum dominance, war doesn't have to be the classical military invasion. Our sanctions alone constitute a form of financial warfare. Then there are other types of soft power aggression, not to mention covert ops. I agree that destabilization attempts will continue with the intent of either causing regime change or capitulation to imperial dominance.

  • 'We should seize it' -- Obama announces Iran deal as 'new direction' for the Middle East
    • CATALAN- "I have always wanted to visit Tehran, enjoy the rich culture, get a delicious falafel and then while having desert observe a man being slowly hanged without his neck breaking so that show can last longer."

      I'll just bet that if the Palestinians imprisoned in the Gaza Ghetto lived in the same conditions as the Iranians, they would think that they had died and gone to heaven, even with the sanctions! You, on the other hand, probably miss the conditions under the Shah (which Israel supported), what with the Savak (secret police trained by Israel) and all. By the way, what percent of the Iranian population is in prison versus the US?

      CATALAN- "What other city provides such entertainment?"

      How about Albuquerque and Indian rolling?
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  • Abe Foxman says goodbye to an America of secret Jew haters
    • SIBIRIAK- "Btw, when Keynes called for "euthanasia of the rentier" (1936), he wasn't talking about feudal lords."

      Neo-feudalism and feudalism are not the same thing as I tried to make clear. I seriously doubt that in 1936 anyone could have predicted what has transpired. What would Keynes say if alive and well now? Who knows?

    • SIBIRIAK- "@Keith I don't dispute the "financialization" analysis, I just don't see the expression "neo-feudalism" as being an improvement over "neoliberalism".

      I don't want to get hung up on semantics, however, I view neoliberalism as primarily the process of massive privatization and neo-feudalism as the more static set of power relationships after the process of privatization has run its natural course. Once privatization has run its course and can no longer substitute for productive investment as the basis for the new loans required to maintain systemic solvency, the financial system will either be altered or there will be a massive financial collapse. I'm guessing that the elites will alter the financial system. At this point in time, the system will be much less dynamic with very stable power relationships based upon an expanded lower class, a shrunken middle class, and a fabulously wealthy upper class- the new nobility. I, Michael Hudson and others refer to this as neo-feudalism. Between my comments and links, I have explained my reasoning as best I could within the limits of the Mondoweiss comments section. Feel free to disagree or use other terminology. How about neo-keithism? Sounds good to me!

    • CITIZEN- "All true, and well stated. You just forgot to tell us about the “bail-in.”

      I doubt that there are many Mondoweissers who are interested in "bail-in," or even the financial system, for that matter. I just made two long comments to Sibiriak which will probably put most folks to sleep. I fear that we are a very small minority. Besides, the comments section of Mondoweiss may not be an appropriate forum to pursue this.

    • SIBIRIAK- "How is that not a perfect description of 19th /early 20th century capitalism?"

      Current capitalism and 19th/early 20th century capitalism have little in common, the phrase "class war" notwithstanding. The changes have been so enormous that it is difficult to be brief. As you noted, in the beginning there were largely un-monetized societies. A core goal of capitalism was to grow the monetary transaction economy. This was accomplished by producing goods and services to be sold. It also required consumers to buy which, in turn, required expanding incomes which eventually required multiple wage earners to service the debts required to provide the money. We have reached the point where the market economy cannot be productively expanded due to both energy constraints and environmental constraints. The advent of high speed computers and telecommunications literally revolutionized the ability to apply financial pressure to achieve social control. One core essence of capitalism is the monetization of power. We have become totally dependent upon the market, hence, upon the money provided by the debt-based financial system.

      The elites, not being completely stupid, realize that, due to energy and environmental factors, the real economy cannot conceivably continue to grow exponentially as required to service the debt (principal plus interest). That is why the unpayable debt is not written down as in the past to permit another cycle of growth. There is nowhere to grow. That is why anything and everything not already owned by the corporations/financiers is being privatized. That is why bogus trade agreements deal primarily with investor rights and intellectual property rights. That is why the Greek economy is intentionally being destroyed through austerity and privatization, hardly a recipe for future economic growth.

      Final comment. In the early stages of capitalism, democracy (capitalist democracy) was necessary to permit the capitalists to wrest control from the nobility. Additionally, public education and public services served to develop human capital. Citizens acquired rights which contributed to nationalist power-seeking. Globalization and neoliberalism tend to de-emphasize nationalism and citizen rights. In the future, citizens will have few, if any rights. Well being will be determined by employee benefits, the corporation the new landlord. Lord Gates, Great Lord Microsoft, Lord Blankfein, Great Lord Goldman-Sachs, that sort of thing. And these power relationships will be distressingly similar to those in feudal times, advanced technology notwithstanding. And if you are counting on explosive growth in the real economy similar to the early 20th century, I think you will be very disappointed, and I am reasonably confident that events in the near future will make that clear.

    • SIBIRIAK- "Wealth has to be produced first in order for it to be transferred. Under feudalism, peasants produced the primary wealth in non-capitalist, non-market, largely un-monetized economies. I don’t think the analogy provides much insight into contemporary transnational capitalism."

      The peasants then transferred part of that wealth to the nobility as a rent. Nowadays, that "rent" takes the form of interest payments. Additionally, there are the "rents" on intellectual property. The vast majority of current investment in the US is going towards financial gamesmanship, not productive investment, nor can it go towards productive investment. Essentially, the financiers, using bank credit, are buying up existing assets including public assets, with the intention of extracting rents from a society intentionally put into debt servitude. I'll discuss the inappropriateness of referencing 19th century capitalism in a separate response. For now, let me quote Michael Hudson and provide a link to a longer article.

      "What is called “capitalism” is best understood as a series of stages. Industrial capitalism has given way to finance capitalism, which has passed through pension fund capitalism since the 1950s and a US-centered monetary imperialism since 1971, when the fiat dollar (created mainly to finance US global military spending) became the world’s monetary base. Fiat dollar credit made possible the bubble economy after 1980, and its substage of casino capitalism. These economically radioactive decay stages resolved into debt deflation after 2008, and are now settling into a leaden debt peonage and the austerity of neo-serfdom.

      The end product of today’s Western capitalism is a neo-rentier economy—precisely what industrial capitalism and classical economists set out to replace during the Progressive Era from the late 19th to early 20th century. A financial class has usurped the role that landlords used to play—a class living off special privilege. Most economic rent is now paid out as interest. This rake-off interrupts the circular flow between production and consumption, causing economic shrinkage—a dynamic that is the opposite of industrial capitalism’s original impulse. The “miracle of compound interest,” reinforced now by fiat credit creation, is cannibalizing industrial capital as well as the returns to labor." (Michael Hudson)
      link to

    • SIBIRIAK- "It’s much more like 19th century capitalism than the middle ages...."

      The term "neo-feudalism" refers to the fact that the world is being increasingly divided into areas of elite control somewhat analogous to feudal times. Instead of Dukes and Barons controlling geographic areas, we are progressing to corporations controlling functional areas. Google dominates the internet, etc. This will be profoundly different from 19th century capitalism insofar as it will be predominantly a rentier economy of wealth transfer rather than a productive economy. All of these so called trade agreements are laying the legal basis for this. This is the logical result of our private, debt-based financial system as the economy matures and rapid growth to support debt repayment is no longer possible. The essence of neoliberalism is the privatization of public assets so that the 'Lords of Capital' own the political economy, public spaces gone, the safety net gone, almost all economic decision making in the hands of the corporations and finance. For example, Greece has been financially destroyed and conquered. First a quote and link to Michael Hudson followed by a link to one of my mini-essays titled "Neo-Feudalism and the New Dark Ages." Cheers!

      " But today, creditors define a nation’s ability to pay not in terms of how it can earn the money to pay down the debt, but rather what public domain assets it can sell off in what is essentially a national bankruptcy proceeding. Debtor countries are compelled to let their public infrastructure be sold off to rent-extractors to create a neofeudal tollbooth economy" (Michael Hudson) link to

      Neo-Feudalism and the New Dark Ages:
      link to

    • PHIL- "That we are richer is inarguable; but smarter, better educated?"

      As the global political economy proceeds down the neo-liberal path towards a form of neo-feudalism, education will once again be very highly correlated with wealth. Education is becoming increasingly expensive and beyond the means of many middle class students. Additionally, student loans are not subject to bankruptcy relief and are extremely burdensome for those who require them. Student debt in the US is a massive $1.2 trillion dollars and forces graduates into de facto debt servitude. This, in turn, makes graduates extremely vulnerable if their outside activities, such as protesting against Israel of empire, jeopardize their employment status. One consequence is that wealth will provide the funding to acquire credentials which, in turn, will be used to justify the wealth. Make no mistake, the Lords of capitalism are the new nobility and they are working to restrict the rights and benefits of the 99%.

  • Why the Charleston massacre isn't terrorism, and Palestinian resistance always will be
  • Michael Oren misrepresents 1971 synagogue bombing that changed his life
    • TOKYOBK- "Bornajoo has never come close to Keith in terms of denying the reality of anti-Semitism in Europe before the war...."

      Please provide a quote of me "denying the reality of anti-Semitism in Europe before the war." Otherwise, I want everyone to know that you are a bald-faced liar.

    • TOKYOBK- “I assume from the way he writes that Keith with his Shahak and Jew lists….”

      Although I am flattered to be linked with Israel Shahak, I take exception to your “Jew lists” reference. I want to see a quote of my “Jew lists,” or an apology. You have made me the personification of everything you don’t like about Mondoweiss, including Phil identifying Jews of power. I might add that you have totally destroyed whatever claim to intellectual integrity you may have had with your libelous distortions of my views.

    • TOKYOBK- "My point is that overcoming oppression does not have to be a negative identity trait as Keith implies in the case of Jews...."

      Jews are victims overcoming oppression in the US right now? Given the objective circumstances of American Jews, you feel Jewish feelings of victimhood are justified? You feel that diverting thread after thread into discussions of anti-Semitism is warranted and appropriate? You HAVE morphed into Hophmi.

    • TOKYOBK- "...(which you barely admit ever existed anywhere, even in Europe from the Middle Ages to the Reformation)."

      Do you have a direct quote? You are not commenting upon any comment that I made on this thread, rather you are attacking a misrepresentation of some of my past comments. In addition to misrepresenting me, you are wildly overreacting. Apparently, I have assumed some sort mythical importance to you.

      In case you haven't noticed, this particular thread does NOT involve a discussion of anti-Semitism "in Europe from the Middle Ages to the Reformation." If we were, I would point out that incidents of anti-Semitism would need to be evaluated in context in regards to the general level of oppression. I hear that the Gentile peasants had some problems. Also, where class conflicts occur, simply blaming all violence against Jews on irrational Jew hatred is a cop-out. This is not the same thing as saying that anti-Semitism "barely...existed anywhere," yet another dishonest misrepresentation of my critique of your almost exclusively Judeocentric focus.

      You seem to be offended by Israel Shahak, probably refusing to read him even though you claim he is an outsized influence on my thinking. A while back, Phil recommended "The Jewish Century" by Yuri Slezkine, who writes: "There was nothing particularly unusual about the social and economic position of the Jews in medieval and early modern Europe. Many agrarian and pastoral societies contained groups of permanent strangers who performed tasks that the natives were unable or unwilling to perform." (p4) It is an interesting read which I recommend. I rather get the impression that you stick to stories of Jewish myth-history. Also, your inclusion in the membership of your Jewish academic club is an important part of your identity which, I suspect, would be jeopardized by too great a departure from group orthodoxy.

      One final comment to make a point. If you examine my comment history, you will find that I have called attention to the despicable US/Zionist support for the neo-Nazis in the Ukraine. I would think that if you are concerned about REAL anti-Semitism, you would be infinitely more concerned about imperial support for neo-Nazis and other Fascists than with my comments.

    • TOKYOBK- "So when people contextualise Israeli oppression of Palestinians by citing the context of the Middle East, what do you call that?"

      If it was done honestly, it would be great. Unfortunately, it is almost always exceedingly dishonest, as you should be aware. When have Zionists ever provided context when discussing any of the Arab states of the Middle East? Related current conditions to the history of imperialism and the ongoing effects of imperial and Zionist interference? To point the finger at conditions in countries that the US/Israel screwed-up and blame them for the consequences of OUR actions is inherently dishonest. Surely you are aware that the empire gave birth to the Mujahideen, which begot Al Qaeda, which begot ISIS, which both the US and Israel covertly support? Just one of many examples of how the US and Israel have worked overtime to screw-up the entire Middle East for strategic reasons. The history of Western power-seeking is long and brutal. So, yes, put Israel's actions in context, but do it honestly, if you can. And that includes Israel, once again, violating the terms of the Gaza ceasefire by refusing to lift the blockade.

      TOKYOBK- "I don’t expect much from Keith...."

      Jealousy is such an ugly emotion.

    • TOKYOBK- "Keith — I wonder how many Jews you know or have talked to or what books you have read from within the Jewish tradition."

      I am not sure what you would consider "within the Jewish tradition," however, I got a jump on many other folks by reading Portnoy's Complaint when it came out, multiple times in fact, and that should count for something! From this solid foundation I added The Holocaust Industry by Norman Finkelstein and The Wandering Who by Gilad Atzmon, plus Mooser's comments! And a few others. No flies on me, Ben!

      As for knowing Jews, you may have me there. I thought I did, but maybe they weren't real Jews. Midwest Jews are a lot different from East Coast Ashkenazi power-seekers. In fact, their behavior was practically indistinguishable from non-Jews. There was no cult of victimhood nor anti-Gentile animus. You can imagine my shock when I first began commenting on Mondoweiss and it was difficult to comment without someone hurling charges of anti-Semitism. And it more-or-less continues. In view of all of the serious problems we are facing, anti-Semitism in the US (where you live) is minimal and should have a low priority and minimal discussion. However, perceived anti-Semitism is the mother's milk of Zionism, hence, will always be wildly exaggerated. Additionally, it is a tool of intimidation for power-seeking Jews.

      TOKYOBK- "My guess is very few and very few."

      All kidding aside, wrong and wrong. You know next to nothing about me, instead projecting onto me that which conforms with your biases. You seem to lack the ability to see beyond yourself.

    • TOKYOBK- "But, I stand by the observation that generally this comment section champions with anti-semitism the very kind of contextualisation, mitigation and rationalisation that would be spotted on a hair trigger were it aimed at reducing concern about Islamophibia or anti-Palestinian behaviour and attitudes."

      Say what?

    • MOOSER- "But hey, you’re the “outreach” guy, so I assume you know what you are doing."

      And what he appears to be doing is to piss-off Gentiles and create certain reactions which can then be (mis)characterized as anti-Semitism, the mother's milk of Zionism.

    • BORNAJOO- "If you are going to speak about the prejudices and discrimination that you may have had to endure at some point in your early life, or whenever, then it's essential to put it into an overall context."

      That is exactly correct. Any serious discussion about anti-Semitism will necessarily reference it RELATIVE to incidents of prejudice against other groups. If this is done, then anti-Semitism is a RELATIVELY minor phenomenon, whereas, kvetching about anti-Semitism is an obsession with many Jews which detracts from discussing more important issues. Apparently, this particular obsession is an important part of their Jewish identity, as well as a successful tactic of intimidation.

    • SIBIRIAK- “Trauma is never invented.”

      No, it is discovered! I assume you are being sarcastic, always a risky technique on Mondoweiss.

  • Theodor Herzl wasn't Jewish, according to Israeli minister
    • JAMES/PHIL- "How long before Israel tightens up the Law of Return?"

      A long, long, LONG time. According to J.J. Goldberg, in 1988 Israel tried to placate the Orthodox Israelis with a minor change to the Law of Return tightening-up on the Jewishness of Jews converted by non-Orthodox Rabbis. Very few people would be affected. Organized American Jews went berserk. "Over the next four weeks, planeload after planeload of American Jews flew to Israel, including the top leaders of the CJF, the UJAQ, NCRAC, AIPAC, the American Jewish Committee, the American Jewish Congress, B'nai B'rith, Hadassah, the Reform and Conservative movements, and dozens of local federations and synagogues....Some flew to Israel and back two or three times inside of a month. Hadassah president Bernice Tannenbaum made the trip four times." (p339, Jewish Power: Inside the American Jewish Establishment, J.J. Goldberg). The bottom line? The Law of Return was not changed.

      If there are Israeli Jews who think they can ride roughshod over American Jewish Zionists, they will soon experience a very rude awakening. Israel is utterly dependent upon the empire, hence, utterly dependent upon the organized power of American Jewish Zionists, and these American Jewish Zionists intend to keep it that way.

  • California students resist authorities’ attempt to conflate criticism of Israel with anti-Semitism
    • SIBIRIAK- "Yes. And a new, very different South Africa was born."

      I would suggest that it was/is not as new and different as you seem to be suggesting. The transnational corporations and white oligarchs still run the place.

    • GILES- "This is pure cultural sickness."

      Well, this "sick" culture has been remarkably successful in acquiring wealth and power. Perhaps there is a method to their madness?

  • Obama gets on the same page with Iran ('we don't have to be imprisoned by the past')
    • "Nations that empower citizens to decide their own destiny, that uphold human rights for all their people, that invest in education and create opportunities for their young people...."

      ...Will probably be subjected to an imperial destabilization campaign. Watch out Greece!

  • A racist country with too much influence over US -- Israel's new image among Democrats
    • JUST- "Good thing that Israel’s not a NATO member, isn’t it?"

      Israel and NATO have close ties (as one would expect) and cooperate closely. NATO (the empire's foreign mercenary force) has cooperative agreements with virtually all of the nations surrounding the Mediterranean (a NATO lake), and is more involved in the regional conflicts than most are aware. There are powerful forces inside Israel that would like to join NATO. A couple of quotes and links.

      "Israel is already involved in covert operations and non-conventional warfare in liaison with the US and NATO.

      This agreement is of particular significance because it deepens the Israel-NATO relationship beyond the so-called “Mediterranean Dialogue”. (Michel Chossudovsky)
      link to

      "Decision-makers ought to consider devising a new security architecture, one that would deter Iran and guarantee Israel's long-term survival. A radical alternative to war is required - one that would make Israel a member of NATO, protected by the "one-for-all, all-for-one" policy of the 28-member alliance." (Haaretz)
      link to

  • Oren's demands make Israel's liberal apologists squirm
    • MARNIE- "Absolutely Citizen, we can’t have all the brown folks getting educated and uppity!"

      The way things are going, soon you won't have the US 99% getting educated and uppity. The ongoing increases in cost for a University education is increasingly putting University out of reach for many in the middle class. Additionally, many who require educational loans will be locked into debt servitude for years to come, totally dependent on their jobs to pay back these loans not subject to bankruptcy, therefore, making young people afraid to protest or engage in activism for fear of offending their employer. Just one of many ominous changes going on.

    • "Where once it was forbidden for American Jews to criticize Israel, now, apparently, it is forbidden for an Israeli to criticize American Jewry."

      As I have said in the past, the center of Zionist power is the US, not Israel. Israel needs the Jewish American Diaspora more than the Diaspora needs Israel. The political/economic power is in New York and Washington. The American Jewish elites utilize Israel as an ideological unifier and still do not criticize Israel. However, when Michael Oren starts criticizing these elites, he is stepping over the line and can expect to get slapped down. The Josh Michael Marshall quote puts everything in perspective : "It is something like a father, who has always underwritten his son’s money-losing business ventures, advising him that his latest idea needs serious rethinking and being told, “What do you know? Everything’s worked out for me until now!” Watch it, Daddy is getting pissed!

  • Interview with Rela Mazali: The Israeli left, BDS, and the 'habit of hope'
    • CITIZEN- "I bet Bernie Sanders could add lots more meat to it...."

      Actions speak louder than words. Over at CounterPunch, Joshua Frank has reviewed some of Bernie Sanders dismal record in regards to militarism.

      "Even so, while Bernie may come across as sincere about class politics, make no mistake, he’s is a militarist that isn’t about to challenge U.S. supremacy. He supported the ugly war on Kosovo, the invasion of Afghanistan, funding for the endless Iraq disaster as well as the losing and misguided War on Terror. He voted in favor of Clinton’s 1996 Anti-Terrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act, which expanded the federal death penalty and acted as the precursor to the PATRIOT Act.

      As for Israel, Bernie has been a hawkish advocate that would never halt the $3 billion the U.S. government sends to the country every year. Last summer he backed Israel’s murderous bombing of Gaza. He’s even had some nasty words about Palestine’s right to resist. It shouldn’t come as a surprise then that several former members of Bernie’s staff have also been employed by AIPAC, including Israel apologists David Sirota and Joel Barkin. His is a disgusting record. Want to change in the U.S.’s meddling in the Middle East? Bernie isn’t your guy." (Joshua Frank) link to

  • Oren's criticism of US Jews earns his book five thumbs down: 'slinky,' 'self-aggrandizing,' 'twists reality'
    • KRAUSS- "I’m not sure if you use the term “diaspora Jews” ironically or not, but I nevertheless wonder how long it must take for people until they finally stop seeing themselves as a “diaspora”.

      Let us begin by noting that the concept of "Diaspora" is part of the social mythology of Classical (medieval) Judaism, Jewish Zionism, and any other Jewish group that chooses to see itself as separate from a non-Jewish host community. It is a community based belief in apartness which can continue as long as the Jewish elites are able to maintain this particular belief system. Truly assimilated Jews do not consider themselves to be a wandering Diaspora, however, may go along with the traditional usage. Jewish Zionism seeks to oppose complete assimilation of Jews into the host non-Jewish community and to maintain a distinct Jewish community (tribe).

  • UN report on Gaza war is 'tepid,' 'unserious' and exhibits 'anti-Muslim bigotry' -- Finkelstein
    • GILES- "Not The Lobby? If not The Lobby, then what?"

      From what I have gathered skimming some of these comments, your implicit definition of "The Lobby," a vague, ill-define entity, is overly broad. There is a strong pro-Israel bias among segments of domestic concentrations of power. The entire military-industrial complex for one. Additionally, many successful Jews have a strong Israel bias without actually being part of a specific lobby. In other words, to include huge segments of the imperial elite as part of an Israeli lobby is tantamount to saying that the imperial elites are part of the Lobby, hardly a useful definition. Also, the fact that Chomsky apparently perceives much of what you call The Lobby as part of domestic and transnational concentrations of power hardly seems a reason to cause ongoing anti-Chomsky, anti-Finkelstein, anti-etc. animus. No need to create villains where there are none.

  • 'A traumatized society is dangerous'
    • CATALAN- "One never hears of Norwegians rejecting the Norwegian label and seeking to be just another human being."

      One also never hears Norwegians complain that the entire non-Norwegian world is in the grip of eternal, irrational anti-Norwegianism, nor that Norwegian "peoplehood" is facing a dire existential threat. Perhaps this is why "kinship" among Norwegians may seem relatively muted.

  • Leading NY writer likens Edward Said to monster in a horror movie
    • MOOSER- "Shorter "irvi": "We run the US now, so watch out, Europe!"

      Considering the imperial destruction of the Ukraine, imperial support for the Ukrainian neo-Nazis, sanctions on Russia that hurt Germany at least as much, the financial rape of Greece, etc, Europe is going to undergo a very rough period.

    • PHIL- "The interchange seems to me to crystallize the risk that Jewish political life faces today: the alliance with Israel has made establishment organizations extremely conservative."

      "Conservative?" Are you praising by faint damn? Also, these establishment organizations strongly support militarism and the empire, not an insignificant fact. In fact, one of the consequences of American Zionism was to turn Marxist Jews into empire Jews.

  • Irish activists hit hard against 1st Irish dance competition in Israel
    • HOPHMI- "Australia isn't surrounded by two dozen dictatorships that hate it and that are willing to bankroll a campaign against it...."

      How can you debase yourself with a ludicrous statement like this? Surely you are aware that Israel has good relations with all of the Gulf monarchies with whom it is allied in a terror campaign against Syria? Name these "two dozen dictatorships that hate it and that are willing to bankroll a campaign against it."

  • Israeli President Reuven Rivlin calls for removal of Israeli flag
    • MOOSER- "Would you feel better if one of the stars on a field of blue was six-pointed?"

      Why only one? In view of the high percentage of billionaires who are Jewish and the disproportionate contribution to democracy via campaign contributions, anything less than 10 stars is an effront to meritocracy and reeks of anti-Semitism!

  • 'Six Jews sitting in the White House discussing the Palestinian state'
    • "They could not foresee a situation that I encountered regularly, which is, six Jews sitting in the White House, three Israelis and three American Jews, discussing the Palestinian state. It happens all the time. Very often the only non Jewish person in the room was the vice president or the president."

      Were Obama or Biden required to wear a Kippah?

  • Oren pushed Random House to hurry his book so American Jews will 'intercede' to stop Iran deal and save millions of Jews
    • So much emphasis on political theater! This is agitprop, the "good cop-bad cop" routine. Obama is a front man, a more articulate version of Reagan with, I suspect, rather limited input into decision making. These things are decided by our aggressive, militaristic deep state. Iran has been on the empire's hit list since at least 2003, and is currently under asymmetrical attack. Whether or not Israel is unleashed to directly attack Iran depends more on the unfolding of events in Syria and the Ukraine than on propogandistic tweets and books. It is not wise to place undo emphasis on public statements by political marketeers.

  • 'Obama coffee' is black and weak -- racist tweet from wife of Israel's vice premier
    • CATALAN- “...I am a white guy with some martial arts training and in excellent shape.”

      Jeez, has Mondo started a “personals” section? Well, good luck to you.

  • Israeli diplomats 'are not allowed to speak' on US campuses, but North Korean diplomats are, Israeli official says
    • “I think that North Korean diplomats, Iranian diplomats, Russian diplomats, and Israeli diplomats should be allowed to speak unimpeded on campus, and that university students should be able to hear what they have to say. The problem is that right now only the Israeli diplomats are not allowed to speak.”

      To be able to make a public statement such as this without fear of massive public ridicule strongly suggests that the speaker is supremely confident in his power to discourage the professional commentariat from stating the obvious.

  • State Dep't report on latest Gaza onslaught itemizes children's deaths for first time
    • W. JONES- "Nor does this make Weir’s national interest position necessarily wrong...."

      Of course it does! Furthermore, her "national interest perspective" isn't really a national interest perspective if the best interests of the citizenry is taken into account. Who defines the "national interests?" In common usage, "national interests" virtually always refers to the perceived interests of the dominant elites, usually at the expense of the 99%. Additionally, the rise of the American empire signaled the death of the American Republic. Empires serve corporations and oligarchs, the citizenry be damned. A true nationalist would oppose empire, therefore, these empire friendly "patriots" are really imperialists seeking to influence imperial policies to more closely align with their personal interests.

      This is not to say that on a few specific issues that there can't be a basis for working together, however, the fundamental critique of Israeli actions must be morality, justice and human rights, not that some of Israel's actions may increase the danger to American imperial storm troopers. Getting into debates about the best way to serve imperial interests is self-defeating and fundamentally immoral. We need to dismember the empire and neoliberal globalization. One of the things I like about Marc Ellis is that he is fundamentally morally ground, as we all should be. And this transcends differences in religious ideology.

      One point of clarification. Although I am not nationalistic in the patriotic sense, I support the nation-state at this point in time as defense against a corporate controlled global empire. There is no greater threat to life and liberty than the globalization of corporate/financial control, a new form of tyranny leading to a new dark ages and systemic collapse. I strongly suspect that Alison Weir would not agree with me on this. It certainly doesn't appear to be one of her priorities.

    • W. JONES- "I’m sure it was a mix and that not everyone who participated in attacking Greta was part of an organized effort."

      No, of course not. It was orchestrated by a relatively small group. The majority who went along probably had the best of intentions. Unfortunately, that is how shit happens.

      As for Alison Weir, I wasn't going to comment, however, from what little I know I would not lump her in with Greta, Pappe or the Corries. Her anti-Zionism has a strong nationalistic focus which leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Criticizing Israel and Zionism is more than justified, however, simultaneously ignoring the crimes of empire isn't. Council for the National Interest? Patriotism and Zionism are two sides of the same coin.

    • W. JONES- "Bu you could see it coming when Greta Berlin got her head ripped off."

      Yes, that is exactly what happened. I always felt that Greta was the victim of an organized power play, one which hurt the Free Gaza Movement which at one time seemed promising. It should never have happened.

  • Cycles of violence only begin when Palestinians kill Israelis
    • CATALAN- “That's exactly the language that Bulgarians use towards the gypsy and right wingers in the United States towards Mexicans.”

      Comparing the Mexicans who have come to the US to escape the ravages of NAFTA, the drug wars, and imperial neoliberalism with the Israeli Jewish usurper/occupiers is one of the most intellectually dishonest comments to appear on Mondoweiss. Have you no shame?

  • Charleston: Do Black and Palestinian lives matter?
    • MOOSER- "Ah yes, it wouldn’t be right to leave out the big effect the Jews-of-color community has on US politics."

      Not since Sammy Davis, Jr, at any rate. Not the most pious of Jews, however, he did take pride in his "Jewish jeans" imported from Israel. Moan, groan.

    • TOKYOBK- “Moreover, using Jew as a synonym for white is the reason why these really annoying things happen to those of us who share African American identity and the Jewish religion/culture/heritage.”

      I am somewhat sympathetic to your sensitivity on this issue, however, you need to clear up whether this is a significant issue as regards the article by Marc Ellis or if it is merely a personal problem for you. For example, I am under the impression that Jews make up a miniscule portion of the Black community and likewise Black Jews are a very small minority of the American Jewish community, and virtually nonexistent among the East Coast Jewish elite. Now, if I am wrong, then you have a point. Otherwise, you don't, personal pique notwithstanding.

      MARC ELLIS QUOTE- “Few Jews interact with African Americans out of the public glare, in their daily lives.”

      You dispute this? As a “Jew of color,” are you involved in the affairs of the Black community? Or do you consider yourself primarily a Jew who happens to be mixed race, focusing primarily on your Jewish identity and relative privilege which attaches itself to that identity? So instead of a person of privilege, you think of yourself as a victim twice over?

      Lighten up, Ben. For Marc Ellis to overemphasize the exception which proves the rule, he would thereby de-emphasize the rule and the importance of the reality he is discussing.

    • MARC ELLIS- "Keep Israel conceptual rather than real."

      For the secular religion known as Zionism to endure, real Israel must be replaced by a manufactured metaphysical Israel. To a degree, virtually all societies reject empirical reality in favor of cohesive mythology. Or they collapse.

  • Jewish community must 'welcome' anti-Zionist, pro-BDS Jews, Beinart says-- but Shavit says, Excommunicate them
    • JON S- "I had a grandfather, of blessed memory, whose main interest in life -aside from his family- was studying the Torah...."

      The Torah, not the Talmud?

    • PHIL- "The difference between the two men reflects differences over the definition of Judaism and what Jews owe to their community. Shavit described Judaism as support for Israel. Beinart described Judaism as an ancient and living religion that has often contained anti-Zionist strains."

      Very interesting article. When you say "what Jews owe their community," I assume you are referring to the JEWISH community? That is what both Beinart and Shavit are referring to. Both wish to see a perpetuation of Jewish solidarity in relation to the surrounding non-Jewish majority. Shavit sees support for a modified Zionism as a form of Martin Luther King chauvinism binding the community together. This would continue to emphasize the Holocaust and an exaggerated fear of anti-Semitism as motivational tools. Beinart appears to believe that Israeli based Zionism is losing its appeal and would like to see a return to Jewish solidarity based upon renewed religious observance of an updated Orthodox Judaism which he refers to as Modern Orthodox. Interesting.

      In regards to Shavit, as an Israeli, American Jewish support for Israel and Zionism is critical. As for his Martin Luther King Zionism, however, it is difficult to tell if he is merely trying to assuage his American audience or if he is serious. If serious, he is delusional. The Israeli religious Jews are not like Peter Beinart and his Modern Orthodox beliefs. These are ultra Orthodox fundamentalists who believe it is a sin to yield even one inch of the "redeemed" sacred soil of Israel. Furthermore, they truly believe that non-Jews in the land of Israel are foreigners to be tolerated at best. And they are growing in numbers and power. There is no way that Israel could liberalize Israeli society without precipitating massive social unrest. It is hard to believe that Shavit isn't aware of this, therefore, I have to assume that he is merely attempting to concoct a more liberal image for American Zionists to secure ongoing support in the short term.

      In regards to Beinart, his attempt to update Classical (medieval) Judaism into a more modern form as a basis for a return to religious based tribalism is an interesting idea. On one hand, he seems to realize that "Jewishness" based upon the sacralization of the Holocaust and exaggerated fears of anti-Semitism has a limited life based upon current reality. Good. Now, I don't think he is contemplating his Modern Orthodoxy as being simply another religion. His emphasis is on strong community ties and it is safe to assume his primary concern is Jewish kinship as a consequence of devote adherence to Jewish rituals. No doubt some would find that appealing, however, it seems to me doubtful that very many young Jews, particularly secular Jews, would find this "new" old time religion appealing. It should also be remembered that few Jews were attracted to Zionism prior to the Holocaust, hence, I don't see either of these alternatives as having a significant impact.

  • Netanyahu likens BDS to Nazi Germany
    • CATALAN- "I am not normalizing anything."

      Of course you are. Africans drowning off the coast of Italy, Mexicans braving the Arizona desert. Shit happens. Throw in the Palestinians, then shrug it all off and say only God knows. Nobody to blame, nothing to do, life goes on. What could be more normal than that? This is your attempt at a folksy version of whataboutery, even though you deny it. But then, you would say that wouldn't you?

      As for providing perspective, who are you kidding? There is a huge difference between providing perspective (which I try to do) and diverting attention (your forte). So, for example, I think most Mondoweissers would benefit from knowing the extent to which powerful Zionists lend support to the neo-Nazis in the Ukraine. Hardly consistent with the claim of fear of anti-Semitism, is it? Or the extent to which US/Israel support the Islamic State and other groupings of Islamic fundamentalists, even as they pretend to be threatened by these very groups. Even now, the empire is utilizing the Afghan Taliban to "set ablaze Central Asia in the fire of terrorism, separatism and extremism." link to

      Surely you are aware that to prioritize everything is to prioritize nothing? Ultimately, activists need to focus on one specific area. There are solidarity groups for the various victims of empire in Latin America, other groups focus on the environment, etc. Mondoweiss focuses on Israel/Palestine and related US foreign policy. As such, comments should be relevant to the focus of Mondoweiss. Of course, there may be occasional exceptions, however, when the exceptions become the rule, then the commenter becomes a troll. So, to provide "perspective" to an article or comment, you should show the relevance of your comment to the situation in Israel/Palestine or related US foreign policy. So, the relevance of the Mexicans braving the Arizona desert or the Africans drowning off the coast of Italy is that they are a direct consequence of US foreign policy, hardly your intended message.

      CATALAN- "What do you propose as an achievable alternative? Something that enough people throughout the world would subscribe to, that would end the cycle of greed and violence."

      I am profoundly pessimistic about the future. My only slim hope is that through discussion enough people can become aware of the functioning of the global political economy to make a difference. The key social dysfunction which must be addressed is how to contain the struggle for power and the consequences thereof. In modern capitalism, money is power and the financial system the key to social control at the macro level. As long as there are oligarchs and they control the financial system, there is little which can be done.

    • CATALAN- "Look at the Africans drowning from the coast of Italy. Or the Mexicans braving the Arizona desert. What are they running from? Well obviously something horrible."

      As a self professed man of the world, I am sure that you are aware that in both cases these unfortunate folk are trying to escape the consequences of imperial policy. Neoliberalism and the militarism that it requires has turned much of the Third World into hell holes policed by death squads. Mexican farmers were devastated by NAFTA while facing the violence of the US instigated drug wars. Most of Latin America is still reeling from US supported death squads. It is much the same in Africa with violence and instability following the destruction of Libya and imperial support for Islamic terrorists as imperial legionnaires of destruction and instability. As an American, you share in the blame, as do I. And, yes, there is considerable hypocrisy in citing imperial depredations as somehow mitigating Israeli depredations. You seem entirely too comfortable in attempting to normalize outrageous circumstances and behavior behind a veneer of relative reasonableness.

  • BDS could cost Israel $4.7 billion a year
    • HOPHMI- "That is just not true with the Palestinians...have killed thousands with suicide bombing...."

      This is an outrageous statement and you should be ashamed! The notion that the Palestinians have killed "thousands" of Israeli Jews through suicide bombings is ridiculous. Lets see some numbers and sources. And don't try to weasel out of this by lumping the Palestinians in with the Israeli supported Islamic State terrorists who have killed thousands of Israel's "enemies" with US/Israel/Turkey/ Saudi, etc. support.

  • Divestment with a bite
    • MARC ELLIS- "...declare Israel a rogue state, supported by an unjust, imperial, United States."

      An "unjust, imperial, United States?" Aye, there's the rub! The churches of empire openly confront the ugly reality of empire? Good luck on that! As long as Israel enjoys imperial support, the mainstream churches will continue to be mostly concerned with their portfolios while making moralistic noise from time to time.

  • Is BDS practicing a double standard with respect to Arab countries?
    • "Richard Cohen has a piece up at the Washington Post titled, “The ugly effort to boycott Israel,” accusing those leading the boycott movement of anti-semitism because they have a double standard, ignoring human rights abuses in Egypt, including genital mutilation."

      The double standard argument is stunning in its hypocrisy. Both the US and Israel have long opposed secular Arab regimes and supported Muslim fundamentalists as a means of preventing secular pan-Arabism. All of the loathsome regimes in the Middle East claimed to be worse than Israel are the ones that US/Israel support, including Egypt and Saudi Arabia. A strong case can be made that without US/Israel interference in Middle Eastern politics, most or all of these regimes would have been replaced by ones more responsive to the people. And in places where the US and/or Israel has intervened, women have suffered, from Afghanistan to Libya to Iraq. Perhaps the resolution of the injustice in Palestine will be the first step in the overall betterment of the entire Middle East. How hypocritical to point the finger at vassal states!

  • Obama's disgust for Netanyahu's 'stink' signals coming era of Jewish persecution in the U.S., says 'Tablet'
    • CATALAN- "Yup, these are the real problems in the good old United States. Now, if you have the misfortune of being born a female in the Gambia, you will have a 90 percent chance to be looking at FGM without anesthesia at the age of 12. If you survive this unimaginable torture, you may look forward to a life of having pain while urinating in a country with a monthly income of 50 dollars. Then again, a similar thing is likely to occur to you in Egypt, or most of the rest of North Africa. Read the gruesome details on Wikipeadia."

      Interesting how you happened to stumble upon this article in Wikipedia (no link?). I don't suppose that any of this is being provided to you to assist in whataboutery? Assuming the information is correct, it is indeed a sad situation. One can only wonder to what extent any of this has been influenced by Western imperialism and colonialism, which consciously seeks to keep the people backwards and subservient to Western business and geostrategic interests. Since you have been occupied with news of Africa, perhaps you have been unable to keep up with the local news, hence, as a service to you I quote and link an article I read today concerning Albuquerque.

      "According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Native Americans make up 0.8 percent of the population, but comprise nearly two percent of the victims of police violence, a rate greater than any other racial group. And while police kill young black men more than any other group, they kill Native Americans at a higher rate.

      Much of this violence happens in New Mexico, the state with the highest rate of police killing in the United States in 2014. And among New Mexico’s police departments, the Albuquerque Police Department has the highest rate of fatal police shootings, and one of the highest in the country. More than 20% of homicides in Albuquerque in 2014 were committed by police officers. Since 2010, Albuquerque cops have shot nearly 50 people, killing 28." (David Correia) link to

    • "...and there is a “Jew-eating shark” in that book too, “sometimes called caliph, sometimes called czar.” Jewish enemies are eternal, “there are no new characters in Jewish history.”

      There are no new characters in the myth-history of Jewish Zionism, a quasi-religious amalgam of blood and soil nationalism and Classical (medieval) Judaism. Perceiving itself threatened, it turns increasingly fundamentalist and irrational.

  • People behind BDS are also responsible for 9/11 attack, Israeli centrist tells NY synagogue
    • "This is not about policies, or about the settlements, or about the peace process, this is classic anti-semitism in a modern disguise."

      It is becoming clearer and clearer that the most important tenet of Judeo-Zionism is the unshakable belief in irrational and eternal Gentile anti-Semitism. Neither Zionism nor Israel as a Jewish state could long survive without this irrational belief in Gentile Jew-hatred.

  • Munayyer and Beinart's historic debate on the solution to the conflict
    • CATALAN- "What do I need to do better?"

      Move to New York? Become a member of a Zionist synogogue? Volunteer for AIPAC and/or the ADL? By the way, you are the only professed Zionist I have encountered that claims to not believe in eternal and irrational anti-Semitism. Why then are you a Zionist? It is irrational to declare fealty to an ideology/group which provides no benefits. Or are you holding out on us? Come on, you kosher cactus flower, spill the beans! (no need to count).

    • MOOSER- "It wasn't all beer and Beethoven."

      That's right. One needs to be aware of the conditions that give rise to and/or exacerbate racism rather than describe events such as anti-Semitism as irrational and endemic, an anti-intellectual viewpoint in my opinion. For example, some of the same Jewish Zionists who complain about anti-Semitism, such as Victoria Nuland and Bernard-Henri Levy are providing strong support to the Right Sector and Svaboda neo-Nazis in the Ukraine. Is this logically consistent with concerns over the rise of anti-Semtism in Europe? Or is it more consistent with Zionism's NEED for anti-Semitism to justify Israel as a Jewish state? Why am I infinitely more concerned over this support for these resurgent neo-Nazis than these Zionists or the state of Israel? Europe DOES have a recent bloody history, particularly Eastern Europe, always ripe for exploitation. This is extremely dangerous and immoral.

  • In the propaganda war, Israel will stop at nothing
    • DAN CROWTHER- "those guys are called trannys."

      Until recently, I had associated "tranny" (trannie?) with slang for transmission (4 speed tranny, etc). Ah, the good old days. Who could have predicted? Jeez, I hope nobody commandeers CVT (continuously variable transmission) to describe those who just can't make up their mind and settle down.

  • ‘Spring’ and Counterrevolution in Egypt: Four years of reflections
    • RICHARD FALK- "This process was accelerating, leading the lofty expectations, hopes, and dreams so prevalent in the period immediately following the overthrow of Mubarak to disappear."

      Those lofty expectations and hopes were totally unrealistic. As I indicated at the time, Egypt needed to import food which it could only pay for with either borrowed IMF money or money from a Gulf monarchy. In effect, Egypt was dependent upon outside forces for its survival, hence, its options were limited in the extreme. To make matters worse, Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood were stupid, allowing themselves to be held accountable for a situation beyond their ability to control. As a consequence, Egypt has resumed its role as an imperial vassal state, the Egyptian people in worse shape than before the vaunted Arab Spring. Additionally, the Arab Spring was used to justify the imperial intervention in Libya and continuing destabilization of targeted countries in the Middle East such Syria.

  • What I Was Told: Arabs hate Jews
    • TOKYOBK- "(though he also outright lied about a Jew’s responsibility to break the sabbath in order to save Jew or non-Jew – It is the responsibility to save a life above all other commandments)."

      You are going to have to defend this scurrilous accusation against Shahak. I assume that you are referring to the story on page one where Shahak relates the following: "I personally witnessed an ultra-religious Jew refuse to allow his phone to be used on the Sabbath in order to call an ambulance for a non-Jew who happened to have collapsed in his Jerusalem neighborhood. Instead of simply publishing the incident in the press, I asked for a meeting with the members of the Rabbinical Court of Jerusalem, which is composed of rabbis nominated by the state of Israel. I asked them whether such behavior was consistent with their interpretation of the Jewish religion. They answered that the Jew in question had behaved correctly, indeed piously, and backed their statement by referring me to a passage in an authoritative compendium of Talmudic laws, written in this century. I reported the incident to the main Hebrew daily, Haaretz, whose publication of the story caused a media scandal." (p1, Jewish History, Jewish Religion," Israel Shahak)

      Please indicate which part of Shahak's narrative is a lie. As for your contention that saving Gentile lives is above all other commandments, obviously the ultra-religious Jew in question and the Rabbinical Court of Jerusalem feel otherwise. Turning our attention to the real world, Israel's murderous actions toward the Palestinians and other Arabs indicates the real extent of Zionist concern for non-Jewish lives. But you are not fond of the facts on the ground, preferring instead to defend your narrative at all costs. A "scholar" who favors ideology over empirical reality.

    • TOKYOBK- "Keith, do you have other sources about Judaism other than Shahak?"

      Indirectly, "The Jewish Century" by Yuri Slezkine and "The invention of the Jewish people" by Shlomo Sand. But that isn't the point, is it? Israel Shahak is a scholar of high repute and utmost integrity, "Jewish History, Jewish Religion" a valuable resource. The introductions to the book by Gore Vidal, Edward Said and Norton Mezvinsky are exceptionally laudatory. Quoting Edward Said: "I have always known Shahak to be a prodigious historian, brilliant intellectual and polymath scholar, and political activist; but, as I suggested above I have come to realize his central 'hobby' has been the study of Judaism, of the rabbinical and Talmudic traditions, and of the scholarship on the subject. This book is therefore a powerful contribution to these things. It is no less than a succinct history of 'classical' as well as more recent Judaism, as those apply to an understanding of modern Israel." (pxi, Jewish History, etc) Since you are a historian, read the book and do your own research, then critique it rather than continuing to rely on innuendo about my sources. Oh, and take your Farrakhan strawman and stick him where the sun don't shine. Apparently, you can't make your point without referring to him or putting words in my mouth. How about some quotes of me engaging in "101 revisionism?" There is absolutely nothing "scholarly" about your Zionist distortions and misrepresentations.

      TOKYOBK- "However, part of the variables of the Jewish Holocaust were a long, long and irrational hatred of Jews."

      Your statement indicates that you are a staunch defender of the Zionist faith, nothing more. As a minimum, you will need to account for this "long, long and irrational hatred of Jews." Is it part of the Gentile genetic makeup? Or are we instructed in anti-Semitism? In view of current Jewish power and privilege, does this mean that Jewish success has come in spite of Gentile hostility? Does this indicate Jewish superiority? Why not just be honest and admit that your belief in irrational anti-Semitsm is such an integral part of who you are that you can't even conceive that it is an ideological construct designed to promote tribal solidarity.

      TOKYOBK- "Yes, Mooser is right that there is a context of religious wars that cannot be ignored. Brutality towards and hatred for Jews is exceptional even in that context."

      Got any numbers? Hard to believe that a "scholar" would consider simple repetition of talking points as empirical evidence. So how come this irrational Jew hatred seems to have miraculously disappeared? You are irritating me. There is something inherently dishonest about a person of privilege playing the victim card. Additionally, I provide quotes from serious intellectuals like Shahak and Finkelstein, and what do I get from you, the "scholar?" Bogus conflation with (Louis?) Farrakhan. Enough of this crap! Unless you can make a reasonably intelligent comment, much better than what I have seen so far, I am not going to respond any more. Frankly, I am disappointed in you.

    • TOKYOBK- "airman — endemic is an appropriate word to describe the pervasive trend of anti-semitism in Europe."

      As I have already indicated, describing incidents of anti-Semitism in Europe as "endemic" and constituting a "pervasive trend" is myth-history. Unless and until these incidents are placed into context in regards to what is going on in the surrounding Gentile communities, including the relationship between the Jews and the nobility versus the Jews and the serfs, and the rampant hostilities between disparate Gentile communities/polities, then there is no meaningful context to evaluate the relative level of anti-Jewish hostility and violence compared to anti-serf exploitation and violence versus the violence of warfare. Don't forget that European history is exceptionally bloody, one-third of Prussians killed in one of these wars. And while you claim to be aware of this, your phraseology implies otherwise.

      TOKYOBK- "It does not surprise me at all that your source on Judaism is Israel Shahak. His purpose is precisely what I said you were doing as well as to collapse Judaism and Zionism into one essential identity."

      Wrong! He maintains that Zionism is essentially a throwback to Classical Judaism, an attempt to nullify the enlightenment. Remember, Shahak was an Israeli writing about the Orthodox Judaism of Israel, not American Reform Judaism.

      TOKYOBK- "Jews as a group were not elites in Europe...."

      Israel Shahak: "...the social role of the Jews as an integral part of the upper classes. In many countries Jews were treated as potential nobles and, upon conversion, were able to immediately intermarry with the highest nobility. The nobility of 15th century Castile and Aragon or the aristocracy of 18th century Poland- to take the two cases where intermarriage with converted Jews was widespread - would hardly be likely to marry Spanish peasants or Polish serfs, no matter how much praise the gospel has for the poor." (p67, "Jewish History, Jewish Religion," Israel Shahak)

      TOKYOBK- "So, who has argued that there was unending antisemitism?"

      The whole article revolves around irrational Jewish belief in anti-Semitism. Perhaps you have noticed how some Mondoweiss commenters resort to the charge of anti-Semitism, yet you imply that this is not a pervasive belief among Zionist Jews? Perhaps a few quotes would help?

      “The world hates the Jews. The world always has and will continue to do so.” (David Mamet)

      "Two central dogmas underpin the Holocaust framework: (1) The Holocaust marks a categorically unique historical event; (2) The Holocaust marks the climax of an irrational, eternal Gentile hatred of Jews." (p41, "The Holocaust Industry," Norman Finkelstein)

      The claim of eternal anti-Semitism is a core justification for a Jewish state, yet you deny such a claim exists? Incredible! You also conveniently avoided answering one of my key questions. Do you dispute that Classical Judaism was anti-Gentile in its beliefs and practices?

      TOKYOBK- "Farrakhan also said that the Holocaust was a crime and I never implied you don’t think so as well. But what he further said is what you tend to imply (imo)."

      Trying to justify your cheap shot? I already said that I am unfamiliar with Farrakhan so that continuing to try to conflate me with him is intellectually dishonest. Please confine yourself to commenting on what I actually said rather than insinuating that Farrakhan speaks for me, or that I sound like Le Pen (Yonah), etc. As an aside, a lot of you Zionist Jews seem to spend an inordinate amount of time searching for anti-Semitism and anti-Semitic websites, etc. No wonder your view of Gentiles is so skewed. I leave with a final quote from (who else?) Israel Shahak.

      "Therefore, the real test facing both Israeli and diaspora Jews is the test of their self-criticism which must include the critique of the Jewish past. The most important part of such a critique must be detailed and honest confrontation of the Jewish attitude to non-Jews." (p103, "Jewish History, Jewish Religion," Israel Shahak)

    • TOKYOBK- "So do you believe that pogroms and lynchings of Jews endemic in European history (including for supposedly baking goyish blood in to Matzah) were rational?"

      So do you believe that overall Gentiles are intrinsically irrational Jew haters and murderers? Do you dispute that Classical Judaism was anti-Gentile in its beliefs and practices? Are you unaware that the logical acceptance of group ideology inevitably results in certain irrational beliefs, regardless of the group involved?

      TOKYOBK- "It seems your purpose is to reduce all anti-semitism to the logical result of separation and anti-Goyish bias."

      Not at all and strange that you would think so. My purpose is to point out that much of the Jewish version of never ending anti-Semitism is myth-history, not grounded in UNBIASED historical reality. The Jewish/Zionist version of events is little more than self-serving victimology. According to Israel Shahak, historically Jews were usually considered part of the ruling elite, incidents of anti-Jewish pogroms and suffering relatively less than the mass of Gentile peasants who they helped to abuse in service to the Gentile monarch. In fact, treating Gentiles as some sort of unified whole is irrational in the extreme.

      TOKYOBK- "This is the Farrakhan thesis: No one ever asks what the Jews did to Germany."

      No, this is a cheap shot, hardly worthy of someone professing to be a scholar. I am unfamiliar with Farrakhan or his thesis, although you seem to seek out those who confirm your bias. When have I ever said that the Holocaust was other than a dastardly deed? I might add that it was primarily non-Zionists and anti-Zionists who perished in the Holocaust and Zionists who established a working relationship with the Nazis and later exploited the Holocaust to establish a Jewish state secured by imperial power. You have permitted group solidarity to overrule your common sense.

    • YONAH FREDMAN- "Keith- Was Hitler’s antisemitism logical and rational?"

      Are you comparing all or most Gentiles to Hitler? Is that rational?

      YONAH FREDMAN- "But it seems it was just a footnote of history to you and Le Pen."

      Is comparing me to Le Pen logical and rational? What have I ever said that makes you think that I hate Jews? When I first began commenting on Mondoweiss, there were those who thought that I was overly fond of Noam Chomsky. Getting back to Hitler, was his hatred of the Slavs and Bolsheviks logical and rational? Is 20 plus million more than 6 million?

    • ESSREA CHERIN- "It was a part of what constituted the challenge of being Jewish in this day and age."

      Ah, the challenge of being part of the most privileged ethnic group in the US (world?). We should all be so "challenged."

      ESSREA CHERIN- "Jewish history is rife with Jews encountering irrational urges to eradicate or drive away...."

      The very concept of Gentile irrational Jew hatred is profoundly irrational. Somehow, I doubt that you think that eternal and irrational anti-Semitism is an irrational belief, or that believing Gentiles to be irrational Jew haters is a manifestation of irrational anti-Gentile bias. It is an essential component of Zionist thinking which has been strongly emphasized following the June 1967 war.

      ESSREA CHERIN- "...most indelible of these being in Nazi Germany."

      The notion of the Holocaust being the culmination of a long historical process is myth-history. Pre-enlightenment anti-Semitism was of a religious nature, Jews being defined as followers of the Judaic religion who maintained a separate presence within the surrounding Gentile communities. It was only during the enlightenment and the fragmentation of Jews into Orthodox, Conservative, Reformed and secular Jews that the concept of a Jewish race was born. Also, the notion that Gentiles constitute some sort of unified anti-Semitic entity is irrational. Historical conflict and warfare being what it was/is, strictly focusing on Jewish suffering to the exclusion of the overall historical circumstances is myopic and fallacious reasoning. Viewing World War II as little more than one big pogrom is perverse.

      Essrea, I am glad you had such a positive experience in your travels, however, I can't help wondering if the reception had been less friendly because of displeasure with US imperialism or Israeli Zionism, if you would have attributed that to "irrational" anti-Semitism rather than to an understandable reaction to ongoing abuse.

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