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Thomson Rutherford says: "... I would argue that a second motivation for organized Jewish groups in the Diaspora is to safeguard the standing of the Jewish ‘community’ in their home countries..."
Sounds that way according to Beinart.
The thrill of 'Jewish Power' -- to be special -- to be chosen?
Noting: Peter doesn't include that maybe those goys could be Right, and are in fact far from stupid!
link to haaretz.com
Yes, I too recommend watching 'Defamation' -- a definite eye-opener. Thank you DICKERSON3870 .
"...I’m telling you that this road is right down the alley of classic anti-Semitism...
OK, so after reading a number of Krauss' posts -- what's with the game of smoke and mirrors? Me thinks he doesn't like non-Jews talking about the elephant in the room i.e. 'Jewish Power' -- and so by each post he nudges the idea we should be seen as anti-semitic? That card has been played too many times -- it doesn't work.
important note -- 'Jewish left'
Krauss: "...Because to some people Jews are a collective hive mind working in concert with each other. I don’t think I need to point out that the leap to outright conspiracies are not far behind once you’ve crossed that threshold..."
Interesting you said that because that is precisely what I see as the Jewish elites' goal, collaborating with the far too numerous to mention Jewish and Israeli organizations tethered to those elites. You don't think it's their goal to create a Jewish hive mind > that all Jews must worship and/or at least support Israel -- If not, then what do you think their plan is?
Case in point: (sorry MJ!). I mean look at MJ having to finally climb down in shame(?) from his Israel-Firster expose? Noting he was not only assaulted from the right, but also the left!!! It's like he's being assimilated back into the Borg.
MJ: "...I shall always choose the Jewish cause. Not blindly, not arbitrarily, but with full knowledge of who I am and where I must be..."
link to us1.campaign-archive2.com
The Quebecois certainly like taking their billions in equalization payments from Canada. Quebec would not be able to survive on its own.
This (edited) paragraph was supposed to outside of the blockquote:
"....Why was this woman put in charge of the DNC, when it seems she’s more interested in representing a very specific constituency in her admittedly Israel-centric district — or really does it just seem to fit with her own personal agenda knowing she's on the board of the American Jewish Congress?
Wish List: It would really help me (and I'm sure others) if there was a 'Preview' button before having to post a comment?
Yeah! Or maybe in sydnestel's mind he thinks Israel is the 51st State of the United States. Do you think he would be shocked and offended when we tell him it's NOT?
This woman was elected to represent all of her 'American' constituents, as well as being promoted as the head of the DNC (noting the power that comes with that!).
Her oath of office: "...I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God..."
I'm amazed she's not been challenged when it's blatantly obvious she appears to spend most of her time lobbying, and advocating for the interests of another State, especially when that State wishes the US to start a war on its behalf. E.g.
American Jewish Congress: "...The group reportedly lost $21 million of its $24 million endowment in the scheme and Gordon told the Israeli newspaper that the group is out of funding..."
link to foxnews.com
Ouch, I bet that hurt.
Debbie Wasserman Schultz as well as being the DNC chairman, helped found the National Jewish Democratic Council (NJDC) -- is also on the board of the American Jewish Congress, Southeast Region.
link to myfloridahouse.gov
link to ajcongress.org
Sounds like the organization was involved with Madoff too.
link to jta.org
Danaa, Mr 'Powerful' senior member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee Gary Ackerman is saying bye bye. :)
However, "...As recently as two weeks ago, Ackerman resisted rumors that he would call it quits, sending a Tweet saying "Republican rumor mill is 100%, Absolutely Wrong. I’m running.”
link to thejewishweek.com
But, poof all of a sudden: "Democrat Rep. Gary Ackerman of New York retiring"
link to usatoday.com
Oh yeah, and from the above USA Today article:
"...Last October, Ackerman traveled to Israel to bring home a U.S.-Israeli citizen detained in Egypt for four months and accused of espionage..."
They neglected to mention that the U.S.-Israeli citizen (Grapel) also "...worked as an intern for the congressman..."
link to jweekly.com
Figures. I wonder what the angle is, as well as what Mr Ackerman's next job will be -- e.g. a member of some Israeli think tank?
"....[Mayor Bloomberg] I’d give him serious props for his stand on the”Ground Zero” mosque last summer, easily the most prominent American politician to defend the mosque....
That was his 'public' face == now you know what he really thinks and does behind the scenes.
Bloomberg:
link to tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com
It's amazing how so alike both Mayor Bloomberg and Netanyahu are...
Yeah Right! With the main stakeholders who instigated, paid and are attending this event you can believe it's more like:
1. Israel (Agenda to bomb Iran -- I mean what's new!)
2. Education (How to market Israel aka Israel propaganda techniques)
3. Immigration (This is where the real "horsetrading begins)
I think what's important to note here -- is the BS when we are told the Zionist Lobby only seeks to control and affect Foreign Policy -- but really that's not how the game is played. The Zionist Lobby most definitely has the power in Congress to affect US domestic policy.
For example: The horsetrading (threats used?) over Obama's Health Care Bill.
backed up by Roger Cohen, former New York Times foreign editor -- noting in Newsweek:
I tend to agree. As I've said before -- many careers have been built (are being built) on 'selling' the lie of a fair '2-state' solution .
Zionist Jews -- even Anti Zionist Jews who dominate the left (progressive) media -- (present company/blog accepted) rarely face the truth, or unveil that a 2-state solution is DEAD -- and I mean really DEAD. Not could be, or is on life-support, or creeping away for us -- no -- it's DEAD.
Still, even now we get 'progressive' liberal Jews* (part-time anti-Zionists-- although I'm not really sure who they think they are sometimes?) harping on and wanting to stamp people as anti-semitic for daring to describe the obvious in your face assaults of the ISRAEL-FIRSTER. What -- have they got too many in your family or something?
* Ben Adler (The Nation), Ben Seder (Ring of Fire), Spencer Ackerman.
It's creepy that they cannot see the obvious facts in front of them -- unless there is some other factor(s) working underneath? I really would like to know? For example, why haven't these progressive investigative (self-identified) Jews not exposing the Zionist Lobby trying to get the Latino crowd involved to protect Israel? REPUBLICAN Christian Zionists -- ok, but shouldn't you be more concerned about the Latino voters -- the voters who usually votes Democrat?
--Attending: Stephanie Valencia
Associate Director, White House Office of Public Engagement
link to whitehouse.gov
This is not news to be explored? - Why is it being ignored? Are there no Israel-Firsters at this 'Strategic' meeting? And then people are shocked and wonder why our Congress supports Israel more than our own President?
Keith: “The War of Ideas in the Middle East” is turning into “the conformity of opinion regarding the control of US foreign policy by the lobby.”
Keith, I don't know if you've noticed recently but we currently have on our TVees (in the US anyways) as well as printed media a real hard-on when it comes to wanting a war on Iran.
So why are you surprised when this blog is focusing rather a lot of time on the power of the I-Lobby? Also, Paul Craig Roberts is no fan of Israel either.
link to mondoweiss.net
Why the hell shouldn't this affect our relationship with China? We know it affects our economic ties with Iran.
Also, you mentioned -- "...the process of off-shoring and de-industrialization which has been going on for over 30 years. The whole process can be summarized as neo-liberal globalization, and involves both privatization and financial penetration and control..." Have you looked into how the DLC was formed approximately 30 years ago? -- How Clinton got involved and other members of the DLC?
link to rightweb.irc-online.org
It is complicated -- but many including myself see there's a connection and it's worth exploring.
Krauss. Come on anything in Florida with Islam in the name is going to be described as "radical"!
Islamic-Foundation-of-South-Florida
link to salatomatic.com
RADICAL? Its about as radical as the MANY Jewish federations in Florida -- hmmm -- wonder where their money goes?
"....Laila Abdelaziz, the Field Coordinator of EMERGE, denounced Israel in a question she posed to President Obama... OMG.
"...Israeli prisoner Khader Adnan, who according to Israel is a “senior member” of the terrorist group Palestinian Islamic Jihad... Knowing that after all Jonathan Pollard is pure as the driven snow.
Your link -- where did it come from -- David Horowitz's Israel's 'Terror' List too? Interesting you didn't bother to even research where the list could have come from?
If you have proof of EMERGE USA having real terrorist connections -- then go for it.
Charon: "...The CIA report on the risks of partitioning Palestine mention the powerful Zionist lobbies and make a note that they are not run by Jews..."
Well, Pat Robertson with his theme park didn't get his way did he.
Charon: "...Methinks that Christian Zionist fundies are taking credit for being the “Jewish Community” too. That’s my point. And there is a lot of them including several powerful and rich moguls active politically and donating to Israel-firster causes..."
Links please?
No it's not silly at all. Why do think there was a meeting between the Republican Jewish Coalition, Netanyahu, Debbie Wasserman [DNC], and the National Jewish Democratic Council NOT to bring up Israel in the elections?
link to politico.com
Or, Weiner losing his seat to Bob Turner:
link to nytimes.com
Or even the bizarre case of "...several presidents of Orthodox synagogues are urging the Republican-registered members of their respective congregations to switch party affiliation in order to vote for Steve Rothman..." because of Israel. However, do you think that district will vote for Obama?
link to blog.nj.com
Strategically, mobilizing the Jewish community into a frenzy about Israel is exactly what the Democrats don't want -- why else is the National Jewish Democratic Council talking 24/7 why Obama is good for the Jews and good for Israel. They don't hide the fact it's an issue!
link to njdc.org
Also, if some of the Jewish community can stomach rubbing shoulders with the likes of John Hagee -- then why should they have a problem with rubbing shoulders with Romney eventho' he might do a few posthumous baptisms on the side.
However, in 2008:
September 2008 [AJC Poll] — 2. In politics, as of today, do you consider yourself a Republican, a Democrat, or an Independent?
56% Democrat, 25% Independent,* 17% Republican, 2% Not Sure
vs. 38 Independent in 2011. So, it's still a valid question who will they vote for?
link to ajc.org
It's both Annie. Particularly in Florida, New York and California.
Yes, but to what end? This needs to be shown on MSM to show the outright threat, but it won't.
So, how many American Jews have Obama's back vs Netanyahu? Come on so where are the latest polls? Where will the 38% of American Jewish 'Independents' cast their vote > Republican, or Democrat?
September 2011 [AJC Poll] -- 5. Do you approve or disapprove of the Netanyahu government's handling of Israel-U.S. relations?
54% approve of Netanyahu, 32% disapprove and 14 % not sure
link to ajc.org
The Economist: Israel, Iran and America
Auschwitz complex
link to economist.com
A MUST READ - Imho. h/t alanhart.net
I don’t want to be too harsh, J Street and the others do good work.
Huh? J-Street - the ultimate Liberal (cough) Zionist outfit? Their schizophrenic BS press releases they churn out are downright comical at times. Nobody takes them seriously. They just provide cover to the real scum that happens behind the scenes -- and what's really sickening is they know it -- and there's no way they will expose it.
Thinking about it -- does anyone know of a "high traffic" blog or even news site that specifically focuses on Christian Zionism and Zionists? On Pat Robertson's page he doesn't even mention Israel?
link to patrobertson.com
link to cbn.com
Advice: Don't go to these sites unless you really have to.
Have many blogs, community newspapers, news sites etc. etc. etc. etc. can we say specifically focus on Jewish and Israel issues?
OK not friends eh! -- maybe business associates a better word? -- who help bring in the $$$?
"...The Purim story was used for centuries in classic antisemitic propaganda
and blood libels...
Really! Well it seems you don't mind your Christian Zionist friends using it. A bit hypocritical of you I'd say.
link to jewsonfirst.org
It does make me wonder -- why did Bibi give Obama a copy of the book?
Jason Alexander being on the 'Entertainment Council' of "One Voice"
link to onevoicemovement.org
Mondo article on Alexander back in November.
link to mondoweiss.net
"...Dershowitz is attempting to twist the arm of Streisand, a Hollywood liberal and supporter of the Democrats, to cut off funds to Media Matters. Dershowitz might very well fail: after a long and successful career in entertainment, Streisand is independently wealthy, and may dig in her heels."
I wouldn't hold your breath. The woman just did a concert for the IDF. One can only assume she did the concert because she actually supports this type of behavior which apparently is fairly common?
-- IDF’s reply confirms collective punishment of Palestinian village
link to 972mag.com
"...it’s stronger when they stick to Atzmon’s own words.." Or, maybe its the discomfort when he doesn't speak the words you expect to hear. He doesn't like to be cornered that's for sure.
I haven't read all the links -- One that I did flag was footnote 8...
Winging it. From Azmon's perspective it would seem he has observed - "Jewishness’, Jewish ideology and Jewish political identity...." as being 'predominately' at this time Zionist (tho' not totally?) -- Zionism being only a part of Jewishness -- only a part of being considered Chosen(?) I don't necessarily understand his point on Judaism? I often correlate Judaism (right or wrong) with synagogue -- by noting that the vast majority of the '50 most influential Rabbis in America' are Zionists* -- expecting their Jewish synagogue members are too - else why would they remain there knowing full well what Israel has become? But, a synagogue is just a building, a meeting place. Also, the Chabad-Lubavitch movement is pretty much into exclusiveness. He's not much of a straight talker.
I guess I have to buy the bl**dy book.
Also, sorry I see absolutely no similarity between Atzmod and Kevin MacDonald - I've just been to his 'White Identity' blog. Holy Crap -- and this guy is in academia.
Adam this is hardly a balanced article on Atzmon. Also, with these kind of quotes I would expect links to provide some context around his remarks.
I've just finished listening to the Flashpoints interview with Atzmon and Lerner.
Lerner: 'Israel should be regarded as an affirmative action State for Jews' - interesting Zionist excuse (February 27, 2012 at 5:00pm). We're not talking about a university here -- but a STATE. okkkk....
link to kpfa.org
I don't hear a venom spitting anti-semite. The guy has a history, a Jewish history, and he's obviously struggled with that history. I have not lived in Israel. I've not been a member of the IDF, nor heard the things goyim are not privy too -- Atzmon has. Maybe he's just aired too much dirty laundry for some people to bear as well as advocating for a democratic one-state solution? I want to hear more.
Dorf might be operating "...firmly on the Dem side of things...", however I would still highlight Phil's observation that the "...The hiring of Dorf underlines the fact that the Israel lobby transcends political parties..."
Dorf's job has definitely been in the past to keep Jewish/Israel politics front and center within the Democratic Party. For example, when he had a hand in keeping neo-con Joe Lieberman's political life alive, as well as crushing ex-President Carter's view on Israel.
From the Jewish Week (my link is now broken, but the quotes are correct):
Remembering Lieberman never paid a price for screwing the Democrats@!
Dorf from the same article also played a hand in attacking President Carter:
Rothman (Israel-Firster) will happily be bi-partisan when it comes to Israel. E.g. Rothman deciding to take out a Democrat out of office rather than a Republican. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz (DNC! ex DCCC) is the same. Screw what Obama and the US military says -- basically it appears their (and others) game is to stay in Congress to protect Israel not the United States -- They don't seem care who they ally with -- namely nut-case Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-Fla.)!
Jews and Latinos Form a Pragmatic Congressional Alliance
Mutual Support Coalition Sought on Israel and Immigration
link to forward.com
This Israel-focused caucus joining the yanks of the Congressional Israel Allies Caucus, and obviously the all star Jewish Caucus.
The bastardization of the Democratic Party continues. I also noticed that DNC chairperson Debbie Wasserman Schultz has elevated Antonio Villaraigosa position in the party! The same guy AIPAC elevated back in 2009 when he 'kicked off' AIPAC annual policy conference.
Elizabeth Warren is the tip of the iceberg.
"Hoenlein says irresponsible ‘J Street’ threatens Jewish unity (and survival
Yeah, right! However, according to Ron Kampeas it seems Hoenlein and AIPAC are giving off nothing more than crocodile tears. In fact it sounds like Hoenlein, AIPAC and J-Street are all in cahoots. Ha! what a surprise.
You don't say! :)
J-Street: aka keep Israel for Jews so I can buy my walled-off gated community holiday home errr I mean keep my identity.
"conspiratorial thinking" eh! Right... just a few examples why it is not at all conspiratorial.
-- AIPAC spy case: Rosen and Weissman
-- Back in 1992 David Steiner (AIPAC President): Negotiating with Clinton to embed operatives of a foreign lobby in positions in the State Department and NSA. As an aside the mere $100,000 that Katz was offering to fund AIPAC approved candidates -- that's frigging peanuts now!
-- AIPAC (and AIPAC's congress critters) taking out Chas Freeman.
-- Dennis Ross being able to embed himself not only in the State dept but also the NSC.
-- Jeremy Bash (ex-AIPAC) - COS both @ the CIA and now DOD!
-- chair/minority chair House Foreign Affairs Committee is Howard Berman (D-CA): "Even before I was a Democrat, I was a Zionist,”... “is why I went on the Foreign Affairs Committee.”
-- Congressman Henry Waxman (D-CA), said during the 2006 election to a Jewish audience, “There will be some Democratic chairmen who may not share all my views . . . on Israel [but] … they will not be chairing committees dealing with Israel and the Middle East.”
I mean HELLO!@
“anti-Semitism on the Left”.
Yes, Annie -- you can't really miss it.
I don't post often these days! BUT. All I hear here is you trying to flog your book and tell me about your well-researched[?] angst and hang-up about people criticizing the basic fact that Zionism = Racism. So, while you happily swim among the them [Zionists] you can't contain yourself to quickly turn on those who disagree with you [anti-Zionists], quickly dismiss any reasoned debate -- but instead like to use the Zionist trigger word = anti-semite. Can I see through you much?
You are the new Zionist breed who really doesn't like to be called Zionist, but nonetheless can't break away from its foundational premise. Glad you can afford to go to all those Conferences. You and others continue to enable the cause, continue to refuse to apply any real action or pressure to stop the Settlers, and turn your head away from the fu*king obvious fact that Israel (NOW including 'Settled' Palestine land ) has a government and hierarchy based on Jewish supremacy (land, sea, air and even finance) -- and you think that's NOT racist?
yourstruly says: "...what remains to be seen is whether, despite widespread publicity and increasing awareness that israel-firsters are anti-american, these 50-70 million evangelical voters remain steadfast in their support of the zionist entity? ..."
That's the question are they steadfast in their support of Israel? A recent Pew Report on Evangelical leaders. How many Israeli flags are being flown in their churches?
Remembering that these guys control what's being said from the pulpit.
FreddyV says: "...It’s these people [Evangelicals] and where they’ll put their votes that scares the bejeepers out of me...."
No brainer. They are going to vote Republican regardless who the candidate is going to be. Even if it was Newt vs. Obama. -- I still see them voting Republican.
link to pewforum.org
It's the apathetic American voter that scares me. Those Americans that (rightly) see the entrenched corruption in their politics, and won't bother turning out to vote because they believe their vote won't count.
BTW: Perry was supposed to be the Christian Zionist pick -- and look what happened to him!
-- How Rick Perry courts the Zionist vote
Appearing with Jewish extremists is designed to win over apocalyptic Christians
link to salon.com
richb says: It’s the Christian Zionists who are obsessing on this.
I need more evidence? Christians United for Israel (CUFI), a group that claims to have 500,000 members, but only 5,000 turn up to show their support? link to sacornerstone.org
As I've said before -- they're no AIPAC crowd! This apparently being the best photo they could muster of Christian Zionist support.
CUFI (under their sister organization) handing out a mere $8 million to Jewish causes -- compared to Adelson $10 million? Something doesn't smell right.
Where's the Christian Zionist base -- The hoards of Christians demanding that protecting Israel be their single issue?
Avi_G says: Well, they are probably the same as the terms of the relationship between Obama and his multimillionaire donors,..."
Exactly, I agree.
The focus seems to be on Adelson's outrageous gamble of spending $10 million on a guy that most people see as nothing more than a used car dealer. However, if people actually bothered to check Obama's collectively billionaire/millionaire donors [e.g. via OpenSecrets] noting their front and center pro-Israel Zionist agenda -- I believe they could 'collectively' out fund Adelson by a wide margin. Collectively, when looking at the Israel issue -- the Zionist $$$ is still flowing into the Democratic camp -- the something we shouldn't ignore.
Blast from the past (back in 2001/02), before the rules changed:
Something of note -- In 2012, the Zionist camp on both sides of the aisle are definitely upping the ante.
And, something to make your eyes pop:
Accompanying article:
With regards to Daniel Levy's comment - I'm leaning towards hogwash, unless he can prove it? Obama's foreign policy is AIPAC all the way. How Levy can even mention J-Street with a straight face I don't know -- unless he thinks we're stupid?
And this:
IMHO another interesting story:
OK folks, just imagine how much money is going into our elections!
The Falic family is in Debbie Wasserman-Schultz district -- note, our special DNC 'fundraising' lady. They donate to both sides of the aisle, but appear to mostly favor republicans (from the $$$ we know about). However, the Falic family will also give generously to Jewish Democrats that have a strong Israel obsession e.g. Shelley Berkley (could quite possibly be our next Joe Lieberman if she gets into the Senate). Also, Simon Falic is part of the political strategy to get US Latinos on board to shill for Israel via the Bridges & Pathways Organization link to bridgesandpathways.org
This should be interesting.
Doh! - noting from the 'Jewish' perspective they have a lot of work to do!
Another story on Adelson. You may have already linked to it -- but just in case.
Well, they have Melanie Phillips onboard - what did you expect?
Example of Mel's view of the world promoted by the Daily Mail:
link to dailymail.co.uk
"...One thing I thought was weird though – one of my favorite shows, The Office.
Oh, but Ricky Gervais is such a wicked SOB sometimes!
link to thejc.com
And Jimmy Fallon -- is sooo not funny!
link to sdjewishjournal.com
I would also highly recommend watching:
Currently on Netflix online streaming. Also, it may still be available on YouTube.
"...US Jews should be more exposed to the really vile things that Israelis say about Yoffie, and by extension about all Reform Jews...
The US Jewish establishment has certainly been aware. I noticed the change last year:-
Sounds like the Zionist World Congress wasn't happy either:
Hostage you've gotta do a write up on these guys.
Hillary Clinton might of thought her remarks would remain "behind closed doors" as the Jewish establishment often tells us it doesn't like airing US-Israel dirty laundry in public--- EXCEPT -- tho' when they deem it to be to their advantage!
Hills is shrewd she knows never to 'Trust' Israel-Firster Saban. He makes the rules.
Above edit: "...It’s a fact that many Foundations giving to pro-choice causes, and high-end $$$ pro-choice donors are Jewish.
Example of deal-making: NARAL and Planned Parenthood: Ineffectiveness Anti-Choice Democrats Can Rely On
link to huffingtonpost.com
sand, the fundies are going after the judicial system.
Yep, I'm with you on that one.
Also, as an aside here in the US it's scary how many of the Pro-choice organizations just seem to be rolling over and not addressing this fundie onslaught in any meaningful way.
With regards to background swinging deals (the Veal Pen Syndrome) -- I'm wondering if Zionism politics is trumping the rights of women? It's a fact that any Jewish Foundations and high-end pro-choice donors are Jewish.
"...Abe Foxman has effectively declared open season on Israeli antidemocracy, which gives a license to people like Hillary...
Also she's backed by Reform Rabbi Eric Yoffie. Hills knows she's covered.
link to haaretz.com
Very good point! -- I agree.
EXCLUSIVE: Funders Behind NYPD’s Mysterious Private ‘Counter-Terrorism’ Foundation
Tagging onto this story -- Bloomberg's recent announcement:
link to politickerny.com
I wouldn't put it past him to try and run for President in the future.
Hostage: So your question is moot Yes, you're right!
Also, this guy is supposed to oversee the SEC -- which is another area -- which I find very interesting -- where often my posts seem to go off into the internet ether to cool off :)
the link: More Jews in Congress than ever before (11/08/06)
link to new.jpost.com
Not sure how long the link will be up.
MRW: But the point is that Ackerman, a US elected official, also holds a post within one of the Zionist Congress’ voting US member groups ..."
My understanding is that Ackerman operates under the umbrella of the World Jewish Congress and not the The World Zionist Organization [WZO]? Also, even if he is a 'regular[?]' member of the B’nai B’rith -- they only have limited voting rights.
This is why I wanted to understand the 'Affiliate' relationship between the the World Zionist Organization [WZO] and the World Jewish Congress [WJC]?
Noting, some of the leadership under the WJC have been active members in the WZO in the past. e.g. Evelyn Sommer - WJC Chair, North American Jewish Congress
link to worldjewishcongress.org
-- More Jews in Congress than ever before
by Adinah Greene :
From my notes Knesset members: MK Colette Avital, and MK Yuli Edelstein were involved.
"...critical of the Likudniks from time to time..."
Being critical of the Likudniks doesn't do much for me -- It's Ackermans actions and more importantly votes that count at the end of the day. Do you think he will vote for war for Israel that will (for sure) kill American kids stuck out in the ME?
I'm not sure we will find elected officials in the WZO? -- I could be wrong -- but I don't it's going to be easy for us to connect the dots -- unless Hostage can lay out the organizational chart in front of us. :)
What I did find were the Mercaz delegates for the 36th World Zionist Congress:
-- Mercaz Takes Its Place At Zionist Congress
link to mercazusa.org
I noticed the name Rabbi Gerald Skolnik (Forest Hills, NY) as part of the delegation. Although, he's not an elected official he does have the privilege of being in front of a number of politically charged constituents, as well as being able to get close and personal to the President, and often writes in the Jewish Week
link to njdc.org
link to thejewishweek.com
Also, interestingly J-Street was there:
Ackerman ....He is serving two governments in an official capacity.
Yes. Right in front of us.
Not a J-Street Progressive Zionist -- that's for sure.
Also, Nathan Guttman a reporter from the Jewish Forward says when he covered just 'one' subcommittee foreign affairs hearing:
"…In just one session, the Democratic-led subcommittee [Ackerman!] made it clear that at least on issues regarding the Palestinian conflict, it stands to the right of the Bush administration…"
link to forward.com
OK then scrub this entry as I can't find a definite working link -- I can only remember the names. I'm sure Shelley Berkley name came up too.
"Gary Ackerman is a Green Line or progressive Zionist.
Progressive Zionist eh! This is the Ackerman that tells us regarding the consequences of settlement expansion:
link to thejewishweek.com
Sorry, from the sounds of things Ackerman works for Israel, to make sure Obama doesn't get in the way of both expanding and now the blatant in Obama's face building of new settlements.
Also, Ackerman is a apparently a member of B'nai B'rith
link to nndb.com
Adam Curtis' blog is another site I often visit. I love what he digs up! Like his post on Murdoch:
link to bbc.co.uk
"...It is for this reason that 55 Jewish parliamentarians from 22 countries have assembled in Jerusalem under the auspices of the World Jewish Congress.
For this year's International Council of Jewish Parliamentarians conference both Henry Waxman and Nita Lowey went along with Ackerman.
link to legistorm.com
Also, back in 2005 these guys were on the first ICJP Steering Committee:
Unfortunatley, the original ICJP source page has disappeared, but I remember all those names. Other Jewish Parliamentarians from around the world were also there.
Also, it is just a coincidence that the Jewish Federations of North America has just decided to restructure it's giving program? Maybe wanting more autonomy from the Jewish Agency, and the Israel-based Zionist (embarrassing) empire? I dunno - but there seems to be some major restructuring (central planning process?) going on?
PW: ive asked hostage, mrw, thanks
hostage, comply
Absolutely- yes please!
So, for example, what is the connection between the
The World Zionist Organization [WZO] and the World Jewish Congress [WJC]?
I did notice that the WJC is calling the WZO a WJC Affiliate" (Related Bodies). But what's their relationship in terms of Jewish governance around the world?
However, I found it very strange that the International Council of Jewish Parliamentarians [ICJP] was NOT on the list? Our very own Gary Ackerman on the US foreign affairs committee being a member.
Also noting that the WJC has admitted in news releases that the ICJP is "a partner organization of the World Jewish Congress".
When I read your comment the first thought that came into my mind was "Inverted Totalitarianism." Chris Hedges first introduced me to the term, (just google CH & IT), he also references back to Sheldon Wolin. It's impossible not to see the signs.
Just one of many articles on the subject:
Democracy in America Is a Useful Fiction, by Chris Hedges
link to commondreams.org
Adding:
The base in my mind is the militarist nationalist Republicans who are in lockstep with the American Zionist Likudniks -- whether they both realize it or not. Also,
link to thenation.com
Netanyahu who seems to be driving this juggernaut to hell has the Republicans in his pocket as well as the American Zionist Likudniks, many of whom we know have influencial/powerful positions within the Democratic Party (e.g. committee members on foreign affairs -- major financiers of the party, Likud spokespoke person - Chuck Schumer, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, Steve Israel etc.), as well as holding important positions within the Administration -- ok Ross might have left, but definitely within the State Dept, and possibly even within the DOD. The number joint military maneuvers we do with these guys is unheard of when you compare with other States military alliances. It's not looking good!
So LeaNder -- are these books supposed to be the Jewish equivalent of the Tim LaHaye end of days books? I am supposed to be impressed with this guy who was successful in actually getting his paranoia published?
I remember Mike Malloy talking about all those 'Democratic' big donors (I'm sure some of them having a "Foundations" or two) not wanting to give a dime to get "Progressive Radio" off the ground. Wake up to the real world eh@!
Seth Klarman can't understand why money can't buy him EVERYTHING.
Money does not give him the right to MAKE people and governments accept the ethnic cleansing of a people who have done us no harm, so a supposedly special tribe can decide at a whim to live in their place. He talks of a Jewish State seemingly oblivious of the fact there are still Palestinians, human beings living there. How utterly disgusting is that. Hatred? No, I would say people are more concerned with how many sociopaths are out there.
Oh and - Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano -- was at the AIPAC Scottsdale, AZ event as well! Just to drum home the message.
And Prof. Finkelstein according to Max Blumenthal says that "neocons had "no role" in taking US to Iraq. Astounding" It's more than astounding -- esp. when you read what goes on at these AIPAC and US government 'Summits'.
Why why on earth must you immediately jump and think of "violence"? Anyway, the Jewish community has the Department of Homeland Security well and truly in their pocket - somehow I don't think we will be seeing any Jews being locked away in the near future. However, I have a sneaky suspicion that the ADL wouldn't mind pushing legislation to be able to lock people away for even daring to be critical of Israel "de-legitimizing Israel" will have a whole new meaning!
BTW at that AIPAC Scottsdale, Arizona committee meeting -- our very own Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-MO) was there.
link to aipac.org
Oh yeah, the I-Lobby has the Dept of Homeland Security well and truly stitched up.
Oh, how the 1% live. Well, that was an eye-opener. 10% -- I just can't get over it.
Interesting. Yes, they've kinda shot themselves in the foot. With the dumbing down of the American public (at lot of the time by Zionists -- hell, they even have a nation-wide/world-wide industry involved in it), e.g with the constant reinforcement of Israel being the *Jewish* State in the MSM, and Rabbis making sure they are turfing out newbie Rabbis with a "Zionist mindset" -- I could see it definitely biting them in the butt at some point.
'It takes money to make money'. Have you any links to this 10% rule? Actually, I would be very interested to read any exposé articles on these types of Foundations? ONLY 10% that's amazing!
PW: "...Joe Klein has done some really great work over the years.."
Yeah, but all I see in Joe's angst is a flashing red light: of the 'guaranteed Zionist reflex mechanism' -- that will always operate when needed.
Read more: link to swampland.time.com
Note: These guys only go so far and then 'circle the wagons' time and time, and time again. Two steps forward, and then two steps back. We just don't have the time for this hand-winging. Israel and the American Zionists blew it -- but they won't accept defeat.
Thanks John h! -- that was weird. :)
I really do think Prof. Finkelstein is a decent person - and v. knowledgable. But this stuff he's coming out with now -- it makes him look like (sorry to be blunt) he's living in fairy land. I'm just a little shocked is all.
Here's a recent exchange with John Mearsheimer. I don't know where to start -- just read it.
"...According to Max Blumenthal, Finkelstein said the “jewish neo-cons” had “no role” in taking the country to Iraq….. ive heard him brush aside questions of “dual loyalty” in regard to jewish neo-cons, but specifically having “no role” in the country attacking Iraq? That’s nuts..."
Wow! If true -- (I haven't listened)-- I never put him down as one of those that 'circle the wagons'? I mean, does this mean he is completely dismissing, even belittling what Lawrence Wilkerson & Karen Kwiatkowski had to say (at great risk to themselves and their future careers when they told their story -- and THEY WERE THERE!). Give me a break.
I wondered when he made a slip-up when during a Democracy Now interview with J-Street Jeremy Ben-Ami said that the UN was not part of the Quartet -- maybe something was going on? I hope he responds and explains himself?
link to democracynow.org
Just found out via JTA - Ann's brother Barney is saying bye bye! Wondering who we will be taking his place -- another Shelley Berkley? A politician to make sure Zionism lives on, and Israel is the number one foreign policy priority -- regardless what is good for the United States security and interest?
-- Barney Frank won’t run again
By Daniel Treiman · November 28, 2011
link to blogs.jta.org
This discussion is still going on over at +974
Monday, November 28 2011|Joseph Dana
+972 readers weigh in on Zionism debate
link to 972mag.com
h/t to The Magnes Zionist after reading his post.
link to jeremiahhaber.com
This Joseph Dana guy is razor sharp.
Shelley Berkley who could be our next uber Zionist in the Senate.
ehrens: "...Aside from the goofy CUFI people, this doesn’t sound right. Has anyone ever done a study of the membership of AIPAC to resolve this question...
For example, somebody could start by looking at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), and American Israel Education Foundation, Inc -- "Compensation of Officers, Directors, Trustees, Key Employees, Highest Compensated Employees, and Independent Contractors." page of their 990. The 'important' people who basically run/manage the organization.
Foundation Center 990 Finder
link to foundationcenter.org
This 'Zionist' enterprise seems to get away with blue murder.
--U.S. Treasury says: There’s nothing to see on tax-exempt support for illegal settlements
by Alex Kane on April 18, 2011
link to mondoweiss.net
OK, I think the picture is getting a little clearer. Also, may others can jump in and provide more information?
I must admit, I didn't bother to follow the Christian Zionist movement much after Bush left, as I assumed the Zionists in the Democratic Party where going to be the center of attention (pulling the strings). But, now it looks as if Zionists from both parties were operating in tandem all along -- regardless who was in power. Which seems to be why Debbie Wasserman-Schultz of the DNC, Steve Israel (DCCC), (not Patty Murray of the DSCC!), and David Harris ('Israel is a litmus test to American Jews) of the NJDC didn't want the obvious collusion going on ~ supporting Israel regardless ~ when they met up with Netanyahu and the RJC. OK -- Christian Zionists money is v. much why the settlements are thriving -- which is a benefit to BOTH Republican and Democrat Jewish Zionists.
link to rjchq.org
AIPAC as well as the rest of the I-Lobby (including pro-Israel Zionists PAC's) deal with getting the Zionist politicians in power. The Christian Zionists (notably Republicans) do have a part ot play but seems to be really down to providing the $$$. They appear to have v. little say how the $$$ is managed? John Hagee being the ultimate Charlatan - joke and paid tool of the Israeli right?
The International Fellowship of Christians and Jews
link to ifcj.org
The IFCJ doesn't Lobby as I can see (maybe somebody else knows more about these guys)? AIPAC and the Jewish federations seem to do that. I can see why the IFCJ wants to stay under the radar when it's collecting $$$ (under a false pretext) from idiots, where it's quickly funneled over to Israel. Once that money $$$ arrives in Israel what power do the IRS, or any US financial jurisdiction have over where that money goes and how it's spent? Does anyone really think the Israelis have the same intentions as the Christian Zionists?
link to jewishworldreview.com
OK, that seems to make sense... From Donald Wagner (via Theocracy Watch link - a site I often visited when Bush was in power):
link to informationclearinghouse.info
It's now up to over $95 million -- what idiots!
link to ifcj.org
Both Republicans and Zionist Democrats are fawning over Netanyahu (Likud).
Anyways, I’m not sure there are enough Christian Zionists out there to get anywhere near the power of the Jewish Zionists.
Thanks MRW -- I've been to their site many times. Also, read most of what they've had to say about the man -- his events etc. But I couldn't seem to find the answer about how he commands the financial assets of his flock? It seems he collects their money and then he decides how it's allocated, and to whom? Normally, if you have a particular issue you wish to focus on,and "create leverage" you create a PAC e.g. like NORPAC. Those donors know exactly where their money is going to "create leverage"! NORPAC is very savvy and focused in that way!
I'm wondering does John Hagee have an office in Israel or is all/most of the money funneled through Yechiel Eckstein's (as well as being an ex-employee of ADL -- I found out) - "International Fellowship of Christians and Jews"? Who takes charge once the money and settlers arrive in Israel?
Debate over aliyah erupts at Jewish Agency meeting
November 18, 2011
link to jta.org
Also, NORPAC (one of many Pro-Israel PACs) can get a 1000 foaming at the mouth Jewish constituents bused in to Washington D.C. CUFI can only get 5,000 'Christian' Zionists nationally? -- and look at their faces. You can see this is not an AIPAC crowd. Especially look at the little girl with the dark hair -- she reminded of the girl in the Vendetta movie - having to watch propaganda news on TV and finally walks away in disgust announcing "Bullshit" ha!
link to sacornerstone.org
Anyways, I'm not sure there aren't enough Christian Zionists out there to get anywhere near the power of the Jewish Zionists.
Hey and check this out this new Pew report:
link to pewforum.org
I should qualify "appears, there's not that many" i.e. when looking at self-identified Jewish polls.
Also, another fact I didn't know:
75% of North American Jews [become] members of congregations at some point in their lifetime..."
Taken from: Synagogue Renewal and the Role of Federations
By Ron Wolfson, Lawrence A. Hoffman
Jewish Communal Service Association of North America (JCSA), Winter 2010
link to bjpa.org
tombishop: link to cufi.org. Thanks. Did you check out Brog's Blog? David Brog the Executive Director of CUFI. This guy was working in the Jewish Zionist camp long before he got involved with the Christian CUFI Zionists.
At this point, with a lack of a money trail with Christian Zionist pro-Israel $$$ PACs, I'm wondering how much Jewish Zionist $$$ is actually funding CUFI?
<link to ynetnews.com
Brog's Blog
link to cufi.org
Les: "...He uses “Jewish Lobby” when he means the American Jewish branch of the “Israel Lobby.” If there is such a thing as a Jewish Lobby created to support Israel at all costs, what does one call those Jews who disagree?.
I don't know. I'm still waiting to hear that massive group that has that authentic anti-zionist voice? There are some brave souls -- not many, but there are some. Like Sylvia Schwarz of the International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network, some members of the Jewish Voices for Peace, Medea Benjamin - Code Pink, and others. When competing against the Jewish Zionist force out there overt and covert there's not that many.
link to mondoweiss.net
There's also the 'American Council for Judaism' who have to fight off the frauds like J-Street and others. I keep looking.
NYTimes Article: American Jews Who Reject Zionism Say Events Aid Cause (06/25/10)
link to nytimes.com
'American Council for Judaism'
link to acjna.org
In fact, I just tried searching on OpenSecrets.org to see if I could find one Christian Zionist pro-Israel PAC? Apparently, CUFI's John Hagee has one -- but I couldn't find it. Does anyone know what it is called?
I see Christian Zionists in the Republican Party, but I don't see them in the Democratic Party? However, I do see the Jewish Zionists in both. Jewish Zionists giving money to both parties -- not so with Christian Zionists -- they are far too partisan.
tombishop: "...witnessed the symbiotic relationship which exists between Orthodox Jews and evangelical Christians...
I can believe that, although it doesn't seem rational does it. The Israelis making friends with the likes of Mike Bickle (the "prison camps" for Jews guy)??? Bizarre! But they are more than happy to use him as a tool:
link to talk2action.org
link to zeek.forward.com
I mean, why should I feel the slightest bit sorry for the likes of Elaine Fogel when I know -- she knows that Israel is playing nice with these guys?
BTW: Biden's has been summoned by "Jewish American leaders" (including the Rabbis no doubt) AGAIN on Pollard!
Biden Meets With Jewish Leaders About Pollard Case
Tuesday, November 22, 2011
JTA
link to thejewishweek.com
If this guy does get released then he should be treated with at least the same amount of contempt given to the Lockerbie bomber when he was flown home. A full hour documentary on PBS is required to show the crimes he committed against the United States to the United States National Security! Also, those who continually badged the Administration asking for his release should be interviewed and profiled!
I agree -- as an observer it really does look as if Judaism has been swallowed up by Zionism. Judaism has become part of the Lobby. As the Christian Zionists have attached themselves to the Republicans, the American Jewish (religious) Zionists have binded themselves to the Democratic Party -- and everyone else is expected to lump it.
Obervations:
With ..."the disturbing level of discontent with the Jewish state among a number of Reform, Conservative and Reconstructionist rabbinical students spending a year in Israel..." The answer from their spirtual leaders "...“The central objective of the program is to build a Zionist mindset,” said Rabbi Ammiel Hirsch of the Stephen Wise Free Synagogue (Reform) in Manhattan. “Otherwise it’s a wasted opportunity.”
link to thejewishweek.com
And when you have ex-J-Streeter (An organization supposed to be close to the Administration), URJ President-Elect Rabbi Richard Jacobs
quoting Daniel Pipes favourably you can see many of us are seeing a massive perverted trend before us.
This coming from the supposedly progressive liberal wing of Judaism? Where's the outcry from URJ congregations?
link to urj.org
URJ's equivalent program to 'BIRTHRIGHT':
Israel, Up Close and Personal (July 25, 2011)
By Rabbi Richard Jacobs, URJ President-Elect
"...Just days before, these Reform Jewish teens had left their homes in North America and traveled to Eastern Europe where they stood together at Auschwitz and Birkenau contemplating the darkest moment in all of human history. Having experienced the remnants of Jewish life in Prague, they would journey next to the home most had not yet visited [Israel]..."
link to israel.rjblog.org
"...“the Jews”
Isn't that why more and more people are using the word Zionist Jews noting not all Jews are Zionist? As well as not all Zionists are Jews. So the topic of "Zionism" needs to be discussed not "the Jews"?
As well as going back to the debate that "Zionism is racist".
Bibi: "When he cautioned Barack Obama and other western leaders against backing the revolt against Hosni Mubarak's regime, he was told he failed to understand reality. "I ask today, who here didn't understand reality? Who here didn't understand history?"..."
In other words: 'I told 'em -- Israel must be the .... ONLY Democracy [nb: using Bibi's definition of Democracy] in the Middle East! Come hell or high water -- we needed those paid thugs around us to keep order and to maintain our unique little State of Jewish values and priviledge. bunker down mutter mutter bunker down -- we will keep what is ours forever and ever.'
Is there a checks and balances sanity clause in Israel?
Myself, I came from domestic service and miners stock.
Hmm... Somehow I don't think this WASP vs. Jews history will be in Simon Schama's ~ up and coming "The History Of The Jews"
Philip Weiss: "kudos to Peratis. Maybe a sign of things to come?
Sorry, I just see her as part of the problem, not the solution. A spoke in the wheel of the Zionist J-Street left flank -- appearing to be to be conciliatory, but all the while the theft of land, and the discrimation of the Palestinian people are muzzled and ignored by J-Street's right flank.
Sorry to be cynical -- but I'm looking for results -- not cheery photo-ops of fringe J-Street members (as well as being on the board of Human Rights Watch) shaking hands with the supposed zionist enemy and this to be seen as a sign of bravery, or even progress.
Unfortunately, I couldn't link to the original article/debate to see Kathleen Peratis in action -- but I think David Samel's response was interesting, showing -- bottom line what Ms. Kathleen Peratis modus operandi really is.
link to mondoweiss.net
I agree, this should be the focus. The money trail and those who manage it, protect it, and definitely profit from it.
The Jewish Federation guy was not a happy bunny was he! Also, Ron Garber from J-Street you could see was getting really uncomfortable when he felt his agenda of maintaining the "status quo", wasn't going down too well. I can see how important that 'Jewish' holiday home is to him. It was pretty obvious -- he was not there to listen.
Kudos to Sylvia Schwarz, and that brave woman who came up to the lectern and spoke truth to power.
Elaine: "...Cliff, I don’t expect non-Jews to understand Diaspora Jewish devotion to the State of Israel. Some will and some won’t..."
Don't worry Elaine, I understand it's because you're 'special' isn't it. Scary place that anti-semitic Diaspora world you live in. But I bet it's good to know you can always bunker down in Israel if needs be -- a happy place where you don't need to trust anyone else except your fellow Jews (as well as knowing the US taxpayers will pay for the privilege). I know, you just need a few more years to expunge those "anti-semite" crayon drawing Palestinian kids from the place, and all will be well.
Unbelievable Elaine!
The ADL -- well! But look at the OSCE -- arghh!
link to jta.org
This pathological need or obsession to find out what people think of them -- to the point of taking over NGO's as well as government entities to drive their obsessive agenda is just plain bizarre.
I just hope they stay out of NATO!!!
All I can say is I've met them -- they first come across as humane and caring describing themselves as liberal and progressive Democrats -- caring about the social issues of the day -- BUT they certainly don't come across that way when you start talking negatively about Israel -- and definitely not when you talk about negotiating with IRAN. Some of them would send American kids to war for Israel in a heart beat. The transformation is stunning!
Polls are one thing, I agree -- but when you meet them face to face -- boy oh boy@! There's no give -- they demand you be a Democrat faithful to Israel. I can't do that. In my mind the Democratic party is dead -- it's the Likud party now.
Thanks Saban for your AIPAC Intern program - NOT.
US citizens : Most US citizens are absolutely clueless. The MSM is crap, the education system doesn't teach civics, world history, even geography. Throw in religion and you also have a fair number who are basically brain dead.