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  • Affirming the rights of students to organize, protest, and resist
    • Excellent statement. At the risk of irritating some folks here, I would note that so much of what passes for progressive campus activism these days involves suppression of or protest against free speech. I think the classical liberal position is the correct one, and that the oppressed need and can benefit from free speech as much or more than anyone, and I imagine that Palestine solidarity kids on campus recognize that.
      I note that one of the complaints used by right wing Zionist students at Berkeley to suppress activism was that mock checkpoints used to illustrate what Palestinians face every day made them feel "unsafe."

  • Israel isn't worried about ISIS
    • in a leaked diplomatic cable sent in 2006 by acting Deputy Chief of Mission in Syria William Roebuck which contained the following “advice” on how to go about destabilizing the Assad government: - See more at: link to

      Wow! Interesting find.

  • Hillary Clinton equates ISIS and Hamas
  • Zionism, anti-blackness, and the struggle for Palestine
    • I've debated this subject before and don't want to repeat myself. But I did find myself wondering what Youseff Munnayer, or any young Palestinian intellectual in or close to an American university environment, might really think about the current wave of campus unrest--the frenzied agitation against Halloween costumes, the demands for "safe space", the desperate search for words from liberal campus administrators that might show offense, the palpable discomfort with free speech. Not what they say, but what they really think.

  • Seachange in public opinion: 'I am tired of Israel using US-made rockets to bomb Palestinians so that ultra-conservatives can steal their land'
    • A lot of it is change. How many people who comment here would been interested or knowledgeable enough fifteen years ago? Or twenty? Not me, certainly, though I was an educated, politically engaged person.

  • I went from Bar Mitzvah to BDS at Temple Emanu-el
    • Rob, This was one of the most fun to read posts I've seen in a long time. I would really love to have been at that event. Your description of the scrum surrounding you after your intervention reminds me of something which still seems to be basically true (to the extent I can see, as a gentile not hanging around with all that many Jews these days): probably at the center of the community is a sense that though they "love Israel" they realize that something is deeply wrong with it, and want somehow to make it right. And are looking to you to help resolve the perhaps irresoluble contradictions. Not sure if this sentiment is strong enough to be politically useful, and lead to liberation of Palestine (and of Israelis too).

  • An answer to the security guard at Ben Gurion airport who demanded to know, 'Why do you have to go to Gaza?'
  • Karmah Elmusa rocks Elle Magazine
    • I haven't looked at the comments, but there are hundreds of (paid) Zionist commenters who do this sort of thing; the ones who work mondoweiss are probably the creme de la creme. I doubt Yacov Yerdeny is a regular Elle reader.

  • Video: Two prominent Israelis envision replacing Dome of the Rock with Jewish temple
    • Thanks for posting this. I knew this stuff was out there, but with the American media reporting 100 times an hour Netanyahu government claims to the contrary, posts like this are important and necessary.

  • JK Rowling stumps for Israel -- what would Harry Potter do?
    • I know the 2ss is unlikely. But it could, in principle, right now be imposed by the US and EU in a year's time. And that would save both parties a bloody, generation long civil war with an unknown outcome.

    • One never knows whether signers such as Rowling oppose the boycott (which I feel ambivalent about) and favor genuine negotiations, forcing a viable two state solution, or are just pretending to favor negotiations, and actually favor status quo and occupation.
      I'd give Thatcher more of a pass-- she did quite forcefully support two states rhetorically, which was more than other Western leaders were willing to do during her era. I know she is a demon figure to the left, but on Israel Palestine, her views were relatively good. link to

  • Despite global disgust, Netanyahu doubles down on claim that Hitler got idea of Final Solution from a Palestinian
  • Critics hammer 'NYT's Rudoren for daring to convey Palestinian experience
    • Agree. When I opened my paper Saturday, couldn't believe it. What happened to reliable stenographer? A journalist again.

  • Adelson will mold Rubio into 'perfect little puppet' -- Trump
    • I hadn't noticed Trump's were placed there. Not sure really that they are. He's lived his whole life in partnership and competition with Jews as pushy as he is: not sure exactly where that would situate him on this issue and related Mideast stuff, but my hunch is --he won't be obsequious or deferential. But probably genuinely knows and likes some pretty right-wing Jews.

  • Anti-WASP tropes in the 'NYT'
  • Syrian and Palestinian refugees can be helped by better representation on TV and in film
    • I commend Krauss for pointing to some of the difficulties Europe has with mass Muslim immigration, rather than pretending they don't exist. The degree of them, discussion of which articles overstate or minimize them, can be a topic for debate, no? I've been reading this useful blog by an American law prof in Germany: link to

      which seems to provide a more realistic window than does the mainstream American press (much as mondoweiss does).

      Here is a recent post:
      Here's a selection of my short summaries of the stories on the "Refugee Crisis" live-blog of the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, Germany's leading center-right broadsheet, with my comments:

      13:19: Migrants end hunger strike in Nuremburg, migrants in Griebo near Wittenberg begin hunger strike, demanding to be housed in apartments instead of a multifunction hall

      13:07: Psychology professor Jürgen Hoyer says it’s no surprise so much violence in refugee shelters, many people of different backgrounds packed together

      This is why Germany will start seizing private commercial and residential property in a desperate rush to get migrants into apartments where the risk of violence is lower.

      12:41: Federal government estimates 30% of those claiming to be Syrian when they arrive in Germany are lying.

      12:28: Middle East Director of UNHCR says 8,000 people coming to Europe each day, no sign of decrease, and that these are ‘tip of the iceberg.'

      As I've mentioned before in comments, I see no reason why migrant stream will reduce during winter, because (1) 80% of the journey will be in countries with mild winters; (2) by the time they get to the cold places there will be volunteers and trains: (3) migrants know they have a rapidly-closing time window, it's now or never.

      12:16 Poll of 213 Dutch local governments reveals 80% have no place for migrants, 25% anticipate resistance from local citizens esp. based on fear of competition for subsidized housing, only 17% say they have sufficient resources to integrate refugees.

      12:11 On German national TV, Interior Minister Thomas de Maiziere said opening Germany’s borders (Merkel’s decision) led to situation going ‘out of control’

      This is pretty amazing. Last night on a political talk-show watched by millions of Germans, the Interior Minister of Germany said the migrant situation was 'out of control'. The Interior Minister. And blamed it on a decision by Merkel, his close political ally & friend (though he didn't name her). You know what Germans don't like? Things that are out of control.

      11:56: Knife-fight among 20 young men in shelter in Chemnitz, 2 young Tunisian men and 2 young Albanian men in hospital.

      With thousands of new (presumably) genuine Syrian war refugees arriving every day, what are Tunisians and Albanians still doing here taking up precious shelter space and participating in gang knife-fights?

      11:55: In an 1800-person shelted in Leipzig conference center there was a mass confrontation between 100-200 Syrians and Afghans, required ‘mass intervention’ of police to bring situation under control.

      How long before the first murder in a migrant shelter? Weeks would be my guess. Rapes are already commonplace in some shelters, although nobody seems to care about that.

      11:51: In Finland, gang dressed as KKK members pelt incoming migrant bus with stones and fireworks.

      11:22 Sticks and metal rods converted to weapons found in Donaueschingen shelter after 400 refugees protested against planned relocation.

      10:54: Majority of Germany continues to believe migrants can be accommodated, but majority shrank over last 2 weeks from 62 to 57 percent. Number who say it can’t be done rose from 35 to 40%.

      I think we're going to see that trend continue.

  • Coulter's point is that Republicans pander on Israel to win donors, not voters
    • @Mooser Yeah, sure. Forgotten Ann Coulter is pro-war. After all, she was so subtle about it, you would hardly know, unless you looked at the first friggin things which come up when you Google her.

      Actually Mooser, I didn't google her. My sense of her comes from once knowing her a bit, and coming roughly from the same class/social/ethnic milieu. Ie, I know where she's coming from.
      Agree that she is racist and xenophobic, which puts in her line with most of humanity. I actually think it would be a good thing if "racist" and "xenophobic" WASPs stopped pandering to Netanyahu, even if their motives are not as pure as everyone else on this site.

    • @Mooser, I stand corrected, I had forgotten about that. She goes for the hyperbolic to such an extreme that it's difficult to discern what she cares about and what not. My rough sense is that she really does now care about immigration, and the other issues are fluff (and she probably right now doesn't want to start any wars) but there is no way to rationally argue that based on the record. So. . .

    • When was she pro-war? Like a lot conservatives who are conservative for other reasons, she went along with her party's consensus without much enthusiasm, but without the courage (or possibly conviction) to dissent. I can name several others. Those that did paid a professional price.

    • Go Ann! She's the most popular right-winger since Buchanan to raise this issue (though less prominent than he once was). There will be a big effort to marginalize her too, but I think--in age of social media and blogs--it will be more difficult. I doubt she cares whether or not there is a Palestinian state (Pat actually does) but she is aware the neocon double standard of an ethnostate for Israel and open borders everywhere else.

  • 'Did we learn nothing from 1938?': Scenes from the Trump and Cruz anti-Iran deal rally
    • Peter,
      I wonder if you thought (or others did) that the crowd was pretty small. It seemed so on the video I looked at--compared to say the anti-deal rally in Times Square in August. Also: Cruz is a real demagogue. Trump I actually prefer to most Republicans--I agree with Ross Douthat that he's essentially a third party candidate. My sense from his speech was that he doesn't really oppose the deal--one of his big complaints in is speech was that Iran wasn't going to be sufficiently open to American business, compared to European and others. Which is a (relatively) sensible position, it seems to me. Of course he shouldn't be appearing alongside the genuinely wacko Cruz.

  • The Iran Deal is an African American achievement
    • Important observation by Phil, really glad someone made it. Being semi-reactionary myself, I don't embrace everything about black politics these days -- but Obama, the Congressional Black Caucus. . . Andrew Young, it's all good.
      If I were holding forth in my living room and trying to explain, I'd say that blacks are much less likely than gentile whites to be impressed/intimidated/cowed into silence and compliance by the narrative of Jewish suffering, the Holocaust, etc used by Israel's right wing spokespeople.

  • Max Blumenthal is an un-person in the 'New York Times'
    • Per Kathleen--
      Yeah, it seems she does. Sid's frank points to her illustrate that. What does her good friend the Power Ranger man think? Makes me want to support her, more than anything else I've seen in past twenty-five years.

  • Senator Booker and Rabbi Boteach's Iran Deal poetry slam
    • There are, I'm pretty sure, good Einstein quotes lamenting the kind of state Israel has become. He was, pretty much, the prototypical liberal Zionist of his time, no?

  • Congressman Ted Lieu, are you really in bed with AIPAC?
    • Thanks for the link JLD. I sometimes think Christian Zionists don't really exist because I never encounter them. But, alas. Michele Bachmann, was, is (?) an important figure, once led the polls in the GOP primaries. In 2008 was it? Or the next round?

  • 'I love Obama' 'You're infatuated' (The argument on the left)
    • I'm not sure who wins the argument: is it about whether "the Left" should love Obama? Probably not. Obama might well be a liberal Republican, of the sort that doesn't exist anymore as a part of the GOP coalition. But to me, that makes him completely lovable, even on issues where I don't necessarily agree with him. Plus he's smart and cool and great to see as president; I haven't been voting as long as Michael Smith (McGovern my first vote) but Obama is far and away my favorite president.

  • When a U.S. president demanded inspections of a nuclear facility in the Middle East (and failed)
    • Excellent historical post. Amusingly, National Review recently ran an interview with Elliot Abrams in which he waxed nostalgic about the tough minded "pro-West" Kennedy in contrast to the third worldish, guilt obsessed Obama. Abrams was faking, of course.

  • Deconstructing Netanyahu's response to the Iran deal
  • Views of Palestine from an American poolside
    • I wonder if it was tempting to say something snarky: "better still, blow up their homes so they don't even think of coming to the to pool".
      I'm always wondering whether to be confrontational. I bought a "free Palestine, end the occupation" bumper sticker --for my summer in a rather heavily Jewish beach community (Waspish during my childhood). But I haven't put it on my car. I play tennis at a mostly Jewish club, and don't necessarily want to pick a fight with any of the members, who are of course mostly nice guys. Apart from that, I relish the thought of pissing off the hedge fund moguls who drive around in Mercedes's and Lexi -- so I'm torn.

  • Walker and Bush talk tough on Iran in bid for Adelson's millions
    • Good catch. My guess is on foreign policy, Trump quite not the scariest candidate.
      I'm not sure Bush needs Adelson money. But he is trying to avoid becoming a neocon target, and not taking them on openly. Not sure that will work.

  • How long will I have to convince liberals that Palestinians matter?
    • Can of Worms says:
      "We being so downscale, our cause was overshadowed by the upscale causes of Zionists. Through the 1960’s and 70’s, right up till recently, the only Americans who took our cause to their heart as their own, were downscalers, Arab Americans and African Americans who had a shared history of colonial oppression," - See more at: link to

      I agree with some of this comment, though would point out during the 1950's there was a fair amount of Wasp establishment support for the Palestinians. ie Virginia Gildersleeve, president of Barnard College. Kennedy talked about justice for the Palestinians in the late 1950's, (i.e refugee return) till he was told it would be political suicide. After '67 it died out (along with that part of the establishment), and you are right that the Black Left in the late 1960's helped keep the issue alive. Did Malcolm visit a Gaza refugee camp? I didn't know that, very interesting.
      I am very aware that the average high-ranking black politician (say Congressperson) is much mor likely to have intelligent and fair view on I/P than the average white one, and that's been true for a long time.
      I just don't like the Ferguson nonsense.

    • link to

      Here is video of black lives matter faction taking over a netroots convention, shouting down Sanders and O'Malley. My suggestion to Amira is that she might have better luck with the mainstream pols than with the black activists. Just maybe. Not that O'Malley and Sanders are particularly good on her issue. But they might be educated.

    • Mooser,
      Perhaps there is some happy medium between the Confederate Flag and making a hero of Michael Brown.
      "Black community" was a lazy phrase. Sorry.

    • Amira,
      I am part of that probably not inconsiderable part of the American populace which understands that the Palestinians really are an oppressed people, but believes that the police/ black community issue is much more complicated than "Black Lives Matter" would concede. For whatever reason, crime rates in the black community are quite high, and policing is a difficult job. (Obviously it can and should be done much better). I wonder whether presenting the Palestinian cause as a parallel with the anti-cop one risks alienating more people than it attracts.
      I'm old enough to have lived through the 60's, the only time when anti-cop rhetoric was a widespread on the Left as it is today. It ended up rather completely marginalizing the Left, as "the silent majority" voted overwhelmingly and repeatedly for "law and order" candidates.

  • Angela Merkel makes a 14-year old Palestinian girl cry by telling her she is not welcome in Germany
    • I don't think Germany is obligated to receive every would be "asylum" seeker from Africa, but for Crissake, the Palestinians. Displaced to compensate for Germany's crimes.

  • 'I trust Obama more than the Prime Minister of Israel to run our policy' -- George W. Bush's former pollster
    • Thanks for this. I try to keep track of the formerly mainstream Republicans who break ranks with the party over letting Israel decide our Mideast policy. Dowd is a really important addition.

  • An inside look at the UCC vote to divest from the Israeli occupation
    • This question/fear about how the vote would be seen by Jewish colleagues is interesting. I've heard the same phrase used to describe the inner battles within Presbyterianism. It's very curious and interesting that these Protestants are concerned about reactions of Jewish colleagues. and the latter are not concerned about their (the Protestant's) reaction to their defense of an apartheid state.

  • Michael Oren misrepresents 1971 synagogue bombing that changed his life
    • Fascinating catch Phil, and very significant. Another thread to pull is that Oren somewhat later was involved with the save Soviet Jewry movement, and Yossi Klein Halevy (author of a somewhat more interesting memoir) was one of his best friends, and also involved. That group, if memory serves, got in trouble for setting off bombs somewhere. The details are in Halevy's memoir, and I don't have it handy to look up.

  • Retired Jordanian intel chief reveals 'crazy proposal' to expel fleeing Syrian refugees to Saudi Arabia
  • Oren's memoir reveals Israel's elite is hyper-sensitive to U.S. criticism
    • James North, great work. I've read about half the book on Kindle, hadn't gotten to the Simon part. I think in this post you really got the essence of it. Well done.

  • In the propaganda war, Israel will stop at nothing
    • Hope she goes. Hope this kind of thing is identified thoroughly with Israel. How long will it be before we realize this has been a very silly week. Yesterday the Times ran a full length editorial on the importance of trannys in the military. When was the last time the Times ran a full column editorial on anything?

  • From Germany, With Hypocrisy: Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier visits the Gaza Strip
    • It's so convenient for Germany to have the Palestinians presented with the bill for the Holocaust, and this I suppose is a corollary of that.

  • Obama says peace talks are pointless because Netanyahu won't see the 'best' in others
    • It's no mystery why Obama doesn't push harder; politics is the art of the possible, the Iran deal is possible, Democratic funders, blah blah. I don't really fault Obama for not trying harder--he is after all only President, not King. The Israelis are more a mystery. A two state solution would be really good for them, quite obviously, but they resist it. It's like they need people to hate them, they don't feel really whole without it. Or maybe an analogy is like (self) cutting, which supposedly releases endorphins or something which make people who do it feel better. I mean, that previous post-- Netanyahu claiming that the world is saying that Jews drink the blood of children or whatever, it's like more and more Israelis feel like the only way to feel good is to have the world hate them, and Bibi is assuring them that yes in fact the world does hate them--(when in fact the world just yearns for a nominally acceptable solution/end to the occupation).

  • The crisis of the American Jewish community
  • 'NYT' public editor faults paper for failing to quote Jews who support BDS
    • I applaud you concentration on the Times, which plays a critical role in presenting this issue for many people. As Ms. Sullivan's presence indicates, it's a mixed bag. Also: today's edit basically supporting the Pope's recognition of Palestine.

  • 'NYT' plays shameless propagandist for Israel's threats to kill Lebanese civilians
  • Settlers Supporting Settlers: Towards an explanation of the US/Israel relationship
    • Is the takeaway from this not only that Zionism is problematic, but that all Anglo societies except perhaps England are bad? If so, I think its political effectiveness will be kind of limited.

  • Why I hope Netanyahu will be crushed tonight
    • Well, from what I see of the returns, Netanyahu didn't lose. Too bad. Biggest silver lining: he acknowledged his opposition to a Palestinian state, pulling the rug out from many of his US enablers, the less honest ones. So he's now more or less implicitly, rather than covertly, in favor of Israel as an apartheid state. That's progress in the American debate.

    • You tipped the scale on a question I've been teetering on. What time do returns come in? (I'm in Paris, half past noon.)

  • 'NYT' reports 'surge of hostile sentiment against Jews' nationwide -- on what basis?
    • link to

      There's a post and some interesting comments on this affair on Steve Sailer's (generally right wing) blog. Comments, including one with a photo of Ms. Roth, perhaps interesting to some. Apologies to anyone offended by my linking to Steve.
      If anyone asks, I'll explain the many "Haven Monahan" references.

  • WSJ columnist says 'I'm almost grateful' for attack on kosher supermarket that killed four
    • I thought it was kind of interesting, in the biography of an idea kind of sense, when Stephens said his grandmother knew Trotsky in Mexico. I mean how many of those guys in Alcove no. 1 (or their parents) actually knew the man?

  • White House says Netanyahu offers no alternative but military action (and Liz Warren won't say if she's attending speech)
    • Gosh that US Campaign video is excellent. But please explain why so many of the perceptive commentators appearing on it are on Fox, not MSNBC?
      #only watch sports on TV

  • One-state 'fantasy is very dangerous' because it cannot tell us what the military looks like -- Manekin
    • Phil,
      Since J Street was founded, there have been (at least) three pretty serious attempts by Obama to advance the two state solution, the first with the call for the settlement freeze, another in the news lately when Netanyahu said no in 2011 to whatever was coming from the Peres-Abbas talks, and finally the failure of the Kerry mission. Obama has pretty much said to the Israelis, two state is best for you and everyone else, but I can't/won't make you do it. J Street has supported him, given him cover, but not enough to counteract Jewish establishment. So I think it's probably over. If Labor wins next month, it might confuse the issue, but probably won't. Israel has freely chosen a future in which most of the West dislikes it, and I don't think will be very happy with the choice. I do agree with Obama and J Street that the two state thing had to be really tried. But it has been, Obama has put as I thimuch political capital into as he can. He's willing to put more into Iran deal, seems to me.

    • Really one of the most challenging interesting comment threads on mondoweiss. It's not easy.
      If the two state solution is impossible, because settlements, because Israel isn't going to fight a civil war to remove settlers, then what? One can imagine that a one state thing would evolve over time--after international pressure on Israel, after a long campaign for Palestinian civil rights (even without voting rights: cf that book by Sari Nusseibeh) eventually with voting rights. Once you get there, an integrated army won't seem like such a big deal. The last thing in a long process.
      My fear of course is that Israel will see the writing on the wall, and start wars, even nuclear wars, to deflect the pressures outward. (Arno Mayer's theories of World War I--the capitalist states of Europe risked war to deflect their class conflict, displace it outward. Israel's internal "contradictions" are much more severe. )
      Perhaps if one changed the scope, pushed towards a federated binational state which had EU membership, helping to dissolve some of the hatreds in a larger entity, that might work.

  • 'American Sniper' is an antiwar movie
    • Yes, kind of. One of the officers in Kyle's unit says something alluding to the inability of distinguishing the good and evil of it. He dies. Hs parents are antiwar at the funeral. Not really specific about the neocons lying us into the war, unfortunately.

    • I agree with Phil's take after seeing the movie. Also, on the point whether it dehumanizes Arabs, I would say no: Kyle's Arab counterpart, a Syrian former Olympian marksman, is depicted rather more heroically than Kyle even--he too is shown with his wife (an act of equivalence which is probably unrealistic) and is very effective at shooting the Americans who have invaded an Arab country.

  • The left needs to stop hounding Elizabeth Warren on Palestine, says Warren supporter
    • Second, Clinton could go completely out of character and actually do something on principle, and announce that she would boycott if she were in the Senate.

      Taking odds on that happening?

    • I'm not "the left" but I was canvassing just like Annie. Obama has faced up the lobby as much as any American president except GHW Bush, and oh yes, Eisenhower.

    • Well okay; but civil rights people didn't push hard on Johnson or Kennedy until they were elected. There actually may be a real choice: Warren v. Hillary , and then Warren or Hillary against Jeb Bush or Ted Cruz or someone. And the choices could be enormously important. Sad Jim Webb has sparked little interest, but I recognize that as fact. I'm glad this pro-Warren character addressed the issue, and made a reference to the floor demonstration on Jerusalem which I and others here thought enormously important. I'm not dismissive.

  • Chair of Democratic National Committee opposes Jewish intermarriage and MSNBC showing Gaza carnage
  • Shit dead rabbis say about gentiles
    • Hop, it isn't Phil who selected out and highlighted the quote, it was whoever put together the bus ad-- meant as an ad for all Israelis to see.

  • Finkelstein on Joan Peters's legacy (and Dershowitz's legal troubles)
    • Thanks for doing this Adam. I'm a big admirer of Norman F. I wonder if he has thoughts on something broadly hinted at in David Samel's piece, that she did not write, could not have written, that book--for which the interview she gave, linked to in Samel's piece, is rather persuasive evidence.

  • The growing ties between #BlackLivesMatter and Palestine
    • too at times wonder how much of the solidarity with Palestinians is somewhat of a cultish “save-the-whales” sort of activism and how much is out of sincere concern for the Palestinians. The other perplexing question is of the Jews here waving the Palestinian banner and how much of it is actual pro-Palestinian feeling and how much is against a Zionist-Israel because of what it’s doing to their Judaism. - Walid's question is an interesting one. There are comparable injustices, versus the Tamils, I think, some terrible things in Indonesia which I don't know much about. For me the most maddening thing is that my country (the US) is fully supportive of the injustice, and seemingly manipulated to carry out polices which contravene both its values and interests, and which now lead it to a kind of permanent state of warfare against the Muslim world. Without that, I probably wouldn't care so much. I'm sure these reasons don't pass muster with those who think you need to embrace every lefty cause to really be in solidarity with Palestine, but I don't care.

    • I think Alex is too dismissive of the Congressional Black Caucus. I haven't done a big analysis, but impression is that black members of congress far better on average on I/P issues than
      whites, or white Democrats.

  • The legacy of Joan Peters and 'From Time Immemorial'
  • 'Protest in the form of a prayer': Dream Defenders demonstration in Nazareth makes connections from Ferguson to Palestine
    • If I could add. . . the danger of the Ferguson =Palestine equation is that most Americans are not all that sympathetic to Michael Brown or the cop-haters (much less the cop-killers). And so there is the possibility of ghettoizing the Palestine solidarity movement, putting it in a looney left place where mainstream educated opinion won't bother to explore it.
      (Fwiw: I think Oy Vey understates or ignores completely legitimate black worries about police conduct).

    • Eva, I agree with Oy Vey here. Basically I think the movement should continue what is has been doing-- publicizing conditions in Israel Palestine and pointing out implicitly or explicitly how contrary to modern Western values Israel's attitudes and actions are. Highlighting the contradiction between Israel's actions and American values. My comment at the top of the thread was intended ironically, though no one seems to have picked up on that (not sure what that says about the comment or readers).

    • Marwan Barghouti IS Michael Brown!

  • Coalition of more than 40 NYC community groups calls on City Council to cancel delegation to Israel
    • Maybe because I lived thirty years of my life in New York, and because as I write, I am staying in a small New York hotel waiting for my daughter to have a baby, in Bed Stuy/ Williamsburg and see the cops every day. The analogy Ahmed posits will only make people think Palestinian aspirations for justice and equality are ridiculous.

    • I would think these groups probably could play a role in drawing attention to Israeli oppression of the Palestinians. But I wonder--when I read stuff like - Ahmad. . . analogized Israel’s occupation of Palestine to the NYPD’s presence in communities of color. I have to wonder how effective it is. Israel's oppression of Palestiniansis like the NYPD's oppression of "communities of color". Really?

  • Why I am not Charlie
  • The Israel lobby rallies inside the Republican Party
    • There was a famous comment like this about '72: Everyone I know voted for McGovern. . .. Joan Didion? Bella Abzug?

    • Depressing, because Jeb will probably beat Hillary. I was hoping Jeb would resurrect his Dad's views a bit, run as a realist against a liberal interventionist. Oh well.

  • Islamophobia reigns in Newsweek comment section-- 'Towel head camel humpers'
  • #JusticeForMikeBrown: NFL star Reggie Bush connects Ferguson to Palestine
    • Came across the below when perusing Rookie, webzine for teenage girls for which my daughter sometimes writes:
      Nomi November 29th, 2014 1:02 PM
      Please do not aid in the comparison of Palestine to ferguson. Black people have always been oppressed to a degree in our country, have always been affected by racism. Palestine and israel have been at a crossroads for almost a century, and Palestine is FAR from being a helpless victim. What is happening across America depresses me and infuriates me to no end, and as a white person I feel disgusted at the ignorance my race continues to show. And as an Israeli person, I am disgusted at the comparisons being made. Darren Wilson is unquestionably at fault, the middle eastern conflict is far more complicated

    • Most Americans strongly disapprove of strong arm robberies, the bullying and intimidation of store clerks, punching police officers, trying to wrestle guns from police officers, arson, looting, vandalism, incitement to “burn this motherfucker down” and “burn this bitch down” (Michael Brown’s stepfather egging on the rioters in Ferguson), etc. Associating Michael Brown with righteous human rights activism and the Palestinian cause would be a political mistake, in my opinion — one which would play right into hands of neoconservative and Fox News propagandists.
      I agree with this. -

  • US Jewish voters have more favorable feelings about Netanyahu than Obama
    • I wish they'd do a Netanyahu v. Obama poll with a national sample. With crosstabs. It would be (for this site) one of the most interesting polls around. By income, education, ethnicity, catholic v. protestant? etc.

  • Judt on Brooks and Friedman's role in pushing the criminal invasion of Iraq
  • In the last days of 'Operation Protective Edge' Israel focused on its final goal -- the destruction of Gaza's professional class
  • Tablet types Rev. Shipman as elite, anti-semitic WASP
    • They started out wishing to atone for centuries of Christian anti-semitism, but this has morphed into an unwillingness to criticize Israel for fear of being called “anti-semitic” -

      I'm sure some will hate the analogy, but it seems to me like what was called (first by Tom Wolfe, I think) "mau-mauing" in the 1960's, using Protestant guilt over historical group oppression to make threats and gain power and resources. Of course the stakes are way different-- Wolfe's mau-mauers may have been trying shake down some more money out of the anti-poverty tree, while latter day practitioners trying to control discourse over vital war
      and peace matters. Of course there are vastly different power levels of the two groups, too.
      But control over a groups sense of its own historical misdeeds is a potent weapon for getting what you want from them, even if, in this case what is wanted from mainline Protestants is only complicity and silence.

    • For what it's worth, I thought the interview interesting and valuable and I bet Shipman did too.
      Oppenheimer asks good questions, seems willing to try to understand him as a person, doesn't really try to play gotcha with the questions. I've seen quite a few times what the lobby does when they really try to demonize/dehumanize someone, and this ain't it. The subject-- how the Episcopal Church bends before the Israel lobby-- is really fascinating. Endlessly so.

  • Obama says Muslims bear responsibility to counter radical Islam (so are Jews responsible for Israeli violence?)
    • I read the Times piece, and I thought the most interesting bit what when it discussed Sarcelles, a town with anti-Semitism, it quoted a political scientist who noted that the town's Sephardid Jews had enough clout to force all the towns politicians to say pro-Israel stuff during one of Israel's rampages in Lebanon.

  • The constant presence of death in the lives of Palestinian children
    • Very powerful piece. I hope sometime you write some first person accounts from Jerusalem--curious if such a piece were published in Haaretz, what would people say to you. (Of course, they'd say, that's just the left wing Haaretz.) But how many Israelis wonder about Palestinians at all.

  • Watch: Huge pro-BDS Palestinian flag unfurled on Manhattan Bridge
    • Am curious about this effort to link the Palestinian issue to the NYPD "war against people of color." I'm pro-Palestine, think the NYPD's "war against people of color" is nonsense on stilts, but suspect that most people don't agree with me. Indeed if you watch CNN these days, you'd think that the American police war against innocent black teenagers is the biggest problem facing the country if not the world, so much that it crowds out Gaza completely. (If you're really suspicious of the PEP media, you might suspect an agenda here. Darfur, Michael Brown, etc.) On the other hand, police brutality is certainly a problem at some level, and perhaps the linking of the two issues does help mobilize support on Palestine. I doubt it, but it might.

  • Sen. Elizabeth Warren, 1, ducks question on Gaza, 2, plans trip to Israel, and 3--
    • link to

      Here's Zephyr Teachout doing a similar wimpout. Fred Dicker of the Post was giving her the opportunity to criticize Andrew Cuomo's blatant pandering, and she refused to take the bait. (The right wing Dicker is probably pro-Likud, but also a good journalist with a taste for a good controversy).

  • Serving Israel's aim of lowering civilian deaths, 'New York Times' Gaza tally says 15- to 17-year-old's aren't children
  • Senator Rand Paul pens over-the-top pander to pro-Israel crowd
    • This is pretty disappointing, especially if the Dems nominate the neoconnish Hillary.
      I think the aim is not to get Sheldon Adelson dollars, which Paul won't get in any event--as he surely knows--but to immunize him from attacks that might influence Christian Zionist voters. These are statements he can point to.

      Also, isn't there a strong case to be made that dismantlement of the PA would be good for the Palestinian cause, forcing Israel to do its own occupation duty. I'm not sure about this. But though Paul's rhetoric is dishonest and pandering, it doesn't make him one of Sheldon's boys. My guess is that neocons and Sheldon know this too, and Jennifer Rubin will shortly pen a "don't be fooled" column.

  • What Comes Next: Five Palestine futures
    • Perhaps it should be subsumed under Israeli one state, but Kahanist ethnic cleansing advocates are no longer marginal in Israel, and I'm sure would look for any opportunity or global lack of attention to do a '48 repeat, if there was any chance of getting away with it.

  • From Mississippi to Gaza -- Dorothy Zellner reflects on 50 years of struggle
  • I am Palestinian, and I am human, and I am here
    • Thank you Stephen for a meaningful reply. I'm not as out of it as Annie thinks, have a daughter who was president of SJP U-Chicago a few years ago. And from Max's books, videos, have seen young drunk Jews. It's a new (and indeed perhaps Zionist) phenomenon--as I recall (quite well) from younger days, Jewish substance abuse vices were seldom alcohol.

    • I'm puzzling over the initial incident she describes. Perhaps because I'm two generations away from being a college senior. Still: I can't imagine a gentile frat boy type caring enough one way or another about Palestinians to speak and act like that. And I can't imagine a Jewish one being that sloppy drunk--especially at Penn. Which am I wrong about?

  • 'Violence of Jewish power' in Jerusalem has 'poisoned the Jewish community' -- 'Forward' reports
    • She's wonderful, this Leanne Gale. Really heartening that there seems to be a steady and perhaps permanent stream of new, extremely smart and able joining the justice in Israel/Palestine cause. The action she describes with the flags is compelling.

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