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  • Lapid says 'Israelis want peace and security and Palestinians want peace and justice'
    • “I am saying what we need to do is something.”

      What a bight spark this Lapid chap is.

  • Guatemalan genocide got assist from US, Christian Right, and Israel
    • How to spot a ‘liberal zionist’ in a car.

      Blinker to the left, when time to move, turn to the right.

      Very good. Applies to Obama also...

  • 'If I had to choose between the wealth of the world and going home, I would go back'
    • Very interesting gingershot.

      Though I think Ben Gurion was wrong about 1948. The critical thing is not whether Palestinian refugees were expelled or advised by their leaders to flee, but the fact that Israel refuses to let them return...

  • Intense video challenges Catalan and Spanish collaboration with the Israeli occupation
    • Maybe you should contact SNL with your "getting down on their knees" joke Obsidian. It's a real blast.

  • Clashes break out across the West Bank as Palestinians mark the Nakba
    • Then again, you consider people who blow up busses and cafes to be freedom fighters so why should we be surprised at this extension of your warped view of the world.

      Please provide quote and links to back up your claim on Allison's views please.

  • Infographic: An Ongoing Displacement - The forced exile of the Palestinians
  • The Ongoing Nakba: The continuous forcible displacement of the Palestinian people
  • Israeli airport sorts passengers with 'Jewish stickers' and 'Arab stickers'
    • The fourth most popular comment so far claims that Mondoweiss is a white supremacist site and ‘the they are the sons of Stormfront’.

      Don't give it a second thought Qualtrough!

      The clowns saying ridiculous stuff like that are too thick to realise they are doing Mondoweiss a big favour. They can't tackle MW with legitimate criticism so are trying to scare people. But, what happens when you tell people: 'don't do that'? Invariably they get curious, will look for MW and then have a read.

      Will they discover white supremacism and toxic Stormfront-style anti-semitism?

      Of course not; they will find a source of high quality news on Palestine & Israel. There's a reason MW readership is high and funding drives are a big success every time.

    • Sounds like airport security, not El Al's own procedure.

    • Why don’t they just make the Palestinians wear yellow crescents?

      seafoid ~ now you're being ridiculous!

      Crescents for Palestinians should be green, not yellow.

      'Teh gays' get pink triangles so Israel can subject them to some pinkwashing as they move through airport security, and the VIPs get their yellow star for express service, and would you like some citizenship with that automatic entry visa...?

  • Washington state bus-ad campaign dares to state: 'Equal rights for Palestinians'
    • Thank you tree, exactly my point.

      We will wait for Mayhem and TonyRiley's response.

      I'm sure it will be ...entertaining.

    • but the others I see here like “I’m not allowed on Israel’s Segregated Buses” that attempt to convey an image of Israel as a segregated apartheid society are grossly misleading...

      Are they?

      So is it not correct that an Israeli settler living in the Israeli-settled West Bank is subject to one legal system, and a West Bank Palestinian who lives 50 metres away is subject to a completely different legal system?

      Granted, the differences inside Israel's declared borders are less stark, but they remain. You can't just pretend the occupation doesn't exist because you don't like seeing 'apartheid' and 'Israel' in the same sentence.

  • Boston Globe's groundbreaking salute to BDS will bring 'fierce criticism,' US Campaign says
    • So you (and fellow Palestinians) would happily become Israeli citizens? Minus Gaza and the diaspora?

      This seems highly unlikely.

    • ...you would lobby the Palestinians to accept?

      mondonut, "...the Palestinians"? Ramzi is Palestinian.

  • 'Newseum' folds under pressure, will not include Gaza cameramen in program honoring fallen journalists
    • gamal ~ you are making a lot of incorrect assumptions about my use of the word militant. I understand the way the term is interchangeably used [and abused] with 'terrorist' but there is zero value or moral judgement on my part when I use the word militant.

      who gets to designate someone a militant, or does one apply, like subhuman its not a designation i assume anyone applies to themselves, in the sense that you use it here

      As I said there is zero value judgement applied when I used the word militant. I would say it is a person bearing arms with political intent. The IDF is a militant organisation, but also an army. I don't think it is appropriate to designate Al Qassam Brigade as an army since they are enduring a military occupation.

      what policies towards them are justified by some persons or peoples perceived “militancy”

      That would depend on what they did with their militancy.

      If they attack citizens (such as the suicide bombing campaigns of the 2nd intifada, now thankfully a thing of the past) they are terrorists, and I do not use that nonsense disclaimer that terrorism can only be performed by non-state actors. So the IDF practices terrorism on a far larger scale than Hamas ever have, and US army terrorism is off the scale.

      If they do not attack citizens they are just garden variety militants and I assert the right of Palestinians to resist their oppressors militarily. I don't believe it is the best option strategically but their right to resist militarily is indisputable. As for rockets from Gaza, if they are aimed at a military installation I have no problem with that. But I am oppose to targeting civilians whether they be Palestinian, Israeli, or other.

      It would seem in the current world it is a kind of death sentence, for Muslims, sometimes and being designated militant for Palestinians always seems to result in a loss of support for their inalienable rights...

      This is not my opinion. It is an inalienable Palestinian right to resist their oppression militarily.

      ...a militant Hamas journalist would surely enjoy the same protections as non-militant one, how does one know when one has drifted along into militancy?

      A journalist doesn't bear arms.

      So if the person bears arms they are a militant, not a journalist. But the gentlemen that were killed were from Al Aqsa TV not Al Qassam Brigade. And no-one has been able to produce any evidence they were militants, see Joe Catron's follow up article; a number on journalist organisations have been asking the IDF to produce evidence here, and they have not:

      The Newseum’s ‘further investigation’ must be public, credible, and thorough – and what we should do if it isn’t

      are you not conflating militant with terrorist, which i believe is how the journalists were characterized in the above piece, are militant and terrorist synonymous?

      No, see above. But, on this topic, lots of people do use the term interchangeably, often to deceive and deny Palestinians their rights. The Israeli/US demand that Hamas renounce violence altogether is unacceptable.

      what do you mean Hamas and Hezbollah are militant organizations, that have become political organizations, so they started with miltantcy and then found politics?

      That is the trajectory for both isn't it? I "found politics" is wrong, they were always political, but the emphasis has shift from armed resistance to political and social organisation and action.

      Al-Qassam are a military rather than militant formation, are they not, is a militant an Arab with a weapon?

      Both I suppose, a military and a militant organisation. I already said until they have sovereignty over territory, I think it is wrong to call them an army.

      I have to say Americans finding Hamas murderous is very funny, or “terrorists” reprehensible, Chris Hedges...

      Agreed, but I didn't say that, and I'm Australian :-)

      Since it is a long time since Hamas renounced suicide bombings I disagree with the Australian Government's designation of the Al Qassam Brigade as terrorists. I can't get worked up over a few bottle rockets; the effects are negligible, about 20-25 deaths in more than a decade. By comparison about 4,000 Israelis died in motor accidents over the same timeframe, during which time more than 6,000 Palestinian killed by the IDF.

      Chris Hedges I love. Eloquent, fierce:

      America: The Silence of a Nation.

      I largely agree with the rest of what you've said so won't respond specifically.

      As for Clinton, I think he is responsible for one of the worst human atrocities in the history of mankind, the US-led sanctions regime that killed more than 500,000 Iraqi children in the mid-1990s:

      Madeleine Albright - 60 Minutes

      When I said US terrorism is off the scale, this is but one of many acts I have in mind. Polite language cannot capture my opinion of Clinton, and Obama is little better than Clinton and Bush. Gives good speeches though.

      As much as I love my American friends and wish them no harm, the sooner the US is bankrupt the better. It is time for a second American Revolution – the country has been hijacked by smiling hyenas lining their pockets.

    • The idea that any journalist from Gaza or working in Gaza is automatically affiliated to Hamas is grotesque to say the least.

      Yes, but these journalists did have a connection to Hamas - Al Aqsa TV is Hamas owned.

      More to the point Hamas is the *government* in Gaza and has a huge number of employees, only a small number of them are militants.

      Israel and the US have done a splendid job of obscuring what Hamas (and Hezbollah) actually are, militant organisations that have also become political organisations. Surprisingly (since our PM is a total Israel fangirl) the Australian Government has designated the Al Qassam Brigade – the militant wing of Hamas – as a terrorist organisation, but Hamas itself is not.

      'Newseum' are evidently too dumb or too gutless to understand this distinction. Too much mediocre and dishonest journalism will do that...

    • How Israel has been instilling hatred,fear,and paranoia to the youth through the holocaust industry. It’s almost as if they’re training them to hate outsiders so its less likely for political reform.

      Bingo Yasmeen, that is exactly what they've been doing: Israelis are as much victims of hasbara as anybody else.

      If you want to punish yourself check out the same filmmaker's older documentary called "Checkpoint", it's all footage in the field taken at Israeli checkpoints in occupied Palestine. You will be screaming in frustration at the incredible injustice of it all.

  • Another landmark: 'Boston Globe' honors Hawking's boycott as nonviolent effort to pressure Israel
    • Well that is progress from your previous statement along the line of Hawking should "Not have been brought into this"...

      But you still haven't explained why, despite repeatedly being asked.

      Hawking is a highly intelligent sentient being, and is free to makes choices as he sees fit. What is your problem with this?

  • The power of Stephen Hawking
    • All that Abunimah has to offer in his article is the same old polemic about BDS and, just because Hawking had signed up, the Guardian gave the BDS campaign another free kick.

      Speaking of polemics, do you actually dispute anything Abunimah wrote in that Guardian piece? Can't see how they have given BDS "another free kick" if Abunimah has stuck to facts.

      And what is this sudden concern with facts anyway Mayhem? Hasbara is one lie after another. I don't see you on any of the Dershowitz articles calling him on the disgusting things he has said about Hawkings.

    • I do not think Hawkings should have been brought into this.

      Condescending! Hawkings is a free agent, and he made his decision based on his own assessment of the situation.

      He wasn't "brought into" anything by anybody.

  • More on the Church of Scotland's controversial report on occupation
  • 'Newseum' comes under pressure from Israel supporters for honoring Palestinian journalists killed in Gaza
    • The neocon think tank Foundation for the Defense of Democracies is threatening pull an annual policy summit out of the venue in protest.

      Everyone knows Hamas was elected to power in Palestine in 2006 in EU-monitored elections declared to be free and fair...

      FDD need to change their name, i propose something a little more modest:

      Foundation For The Defense of Democracies Sometimes

  • Dershowitz calls Hawking an 'ignoramus,' a 'lemming,' and likely an anti-Semite
    • Convert to what hophmi?

    • Not at all Woody ~ I want Dershowitz to be alive when Israel fades to black, as is now inevitable. I want him to understand that he has been a major contributor to Israel "winning" it's way to oblivion.

      I want Dershowitz to fall to his knees and beg his god for forgiveness.

      You reap what you sow.

    • What was before the occupation in 1967, peace and nirvana……

      For someone lecturing another below about 'History' you sure seem to have a flimsy understanding of it, if you can't work out what possible grievances Palestinians might have from before 1967.

    • And who are ALL of you here, that tell Israelis and Palestinians what’s good for them….

      When Israel is consigned to the pages of history, no Israeli or zionist is going to be able to claim:
      – we never knew what Israel really had done to Palestinians
      – we never understood that making 2 states impossible made 1 state inevitable, and that meant the end of Israel
      – we thought US power could always protect Israel from itself.

      No, no and no. Israel is a country like any other that will thrive or fail (or something in between) based on it's merits and behaviour.

      As for Palestinians you might not have noticed but they are leading BDS, and those who advocate follow their lead. Palestinians know what is good for them and are rational actors.

    • I wish for Dershowitz a long, long, long life.

  • Israeli right-wing flys off the deep end following Hawking boycott
    • Unbelievable: a person who writes about a highly intelligent person with motor neuron disease: "But he’s limited by his condition, so we make excuses for him" then goes on to lecture same person about manners.

    • The Arabs struck first in 1973.

      Yes they did Mike Konrad. But they did NOT attack or invade Israel – Egypt attacked Israeli troops occupying Egyptian land.

      Big difference. In occupying the Sinai, Israel remains the aggressor.

      You said "Israel is surrounded by a hostile sea of Arabs" and "They see every slight as a life and death matter" yet none of these arab countries have ever started a war with Israel. Seems you don't understand who the hostile party really is.

    • Do you think Zionist just have the simple formula of always flipping the script. Repeatedly blaming the other person or country of exactly what you or your country does.

      Yes, for sure.

      Unfortunately, the US is little better when it comes to foreign policy.

    • Actually Shmuel, he’s a genius and also an idiot. A man with common sense would have scoped out the issue before hand, not been surprised by his Palestinian colleagues. But he’s limited by his condition, so we make excuses for him.

      Wow! You couldn't be more condescending if you tried.

    • Shamefully, and because they exploited it ruthlessly, Israel was given a free pass by much of the world, and for many years. Those days are over.

      The holocaust is the "it" I'm referring to above...

    • What do you expect the Israelis to do?

      Simple:

      Palestinian Civil Society Calls for Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions against Israel Until it Complies with International Law and Universal Principles of Human Rights

      Steven Hawkings should have stayed out of this.

      Says who? Except you, someone who appears to be opposed to free speech?

      Israel is surrounded by a hostile sea of Arabs (whether you admit it or not)

      They see every slight as a life and death matter.

      As eljay says, "aggressor-victimhood is a tough gig".

      If you can name one war which Israel did not act as aggressor, please do. I challenge you!

      Shamefully, and because they exploited it ruthlessly, Israel was given a free pass by much of the world, and for many years. Those days are over.

    • Qualtrough ~ there is a very funny article (funny because it's true funny) from Jews Sans Frontiers parodying hasbara:

      How to make the case for Israel and win

  • US promotes regional states/Israeli alliance against Iran while leading provocative naval drills in the Gulf
    • Thanks for the insight Maximus.

      I haven't tracked any of Khanfar's writing since he left AJ, just noted AJE's objectivity seemed to evaporate around the same time.

      I lived in UAE (Dubai) during the late 2000s for a period – became aware of the internal tensions within the GCC with Qatar and the UAE trying to wrestle away some of KSA's power.

      The interesting thing about Dubai is there is a huge Iranian population there, several hundred thousand at least. Iran was Dubai's largest training partner, though I don't think this would still be the case anymore because of the tightening sanctions, I know the local Iranian banks became very restricted in what they could do.

      While Dubai was quite friendly towards Iran, Abu Dhabi with its gas and little interest in trade, decidedly less so. They purchased a lot of US weapons, worrying over Iran. Can't help but think there is some collusion going on between KSA and the US to stoke tension on Iran, for the express purpose of driving up US arms sales in the region.

      Had it not been for the GFC cutting short my time in UAE, I was planning a trip to Iran, would still like to go.

    • ?? Did you mean CloakAndDagger?

      I didn't mention what might come next if regime in KSA was overthrown.

    • Tick, tock – both Israel and the house of Saud and all the other tyrants that we have propped up in the ME will soon fade from the pages of time.

      I hope so but i think the GCC states are going to have more staying power than we realise at this point. Qatar and UAE have more than enough money to throw at their people to fend off an arab spring, and KSA have not nearly as much money as the other two (per capita) but such a repressive regime they only need to chuck Saudis a bone now and then to quell dissent.

      I'm still shocked at Al Jazeera's non-stop coverage of Syria for the past 2 years – it is so obvious they are trying to get rid of Assad but, unlike Egypt, there is no popular support to topple the leader. Would love to know the real reason Wadah Khanfar resigned as AJ Director in 2011, I suspect it was a response to the leaders of Qatar interfering with their editorial freedom.

  • Walt and Siegman urge Washington to imagine a future without the two-state solution
    • If the Palestinian Arabs wanted to get rid of the settlements, if this was really their most urgent priority in terms of terminating Israeli rule, nothing would stop them from going to the negotiating table to negotiate a peace agreement to achieve it.

      Quite right, the actions of the second party in no way impact the final outcome of negotiations.

      In reality, they don’t want a state because they want to destroy Israel.

      Well it looks like those craft ay-rabs have lured Israel into a trap from which escape is impossible – and Israel has fallen for it hook line and sinker: the two-state solution is now impossible because of the settlements, and the international community will not tolerate Israeli apartheid for long, making a single state non-jewish majority state inevitable.

      For the Arabs, the dream is exactly the reverse: to take over another people’s country.

      Yes! Shame on the Palestinians for flooding into Palestine from that foreign country from which they originated (it's called Palestine I think). Did you know they ethnically cleansed 750,000 of the indigenous Israelis, looted all of their property and stole their land, and erased off the face of the earth 500 Israeli villages?

  • One-woman wrecking crew of Jewish community's image, Geller brings her show to Toronto
    • One-woman wrecking crew of Jewish community’s image, Geller brings her show to Toronto

      As satisfying as the title is, and as nutty an Geller is, the jewish community is larger and better than her. The zionist community, on the other hand...

  • 'The policy of the present Israeli government is likely to lead to disaster': Stephen Hawking pulls out of conference hosted by Shimon Peres, backs academic boycott of Israel (Updated)
    • On British Web sites, they call him “Bliar”.

      And when he published his memoir Brits were moving them en-masse in book stores to the CRIMES section.

      The man is a toad.

    • Yeah, it should throw things in the relief when you realize that both Bill Clinton and Tony Blair are attending, even if Hawking isn’t.

      Do you mean Bill Clinton during whose presidency US-led UN sanctions killed more than 500,000 Iraqi children in the 1990s?

      And do you mean international war criminal Tony Blair who took the UK to war in Iraq in 2003 all the while knowing there were no WMD, who remains unrepentant to this day, and who cannot make a public appearance in Britain without it being protested?

      It certainly does "throw things in the relief ", the company Israel keeps, and who zionists admire.

    • Noam Sheizaf writes: ...

      Again with the cherry-picking of quotes hophmi?

      If your strategy is representative, no wonder zionism is edging closer to oblivion every day.

      Noam Sheizaf continues where you left off [my emphasis]:

      But all this is beside the point right now. While I myself have never advocated a full boycott, I think that the least Israeli leftists can do is to not stand in the way of non-violent Palestinian efforts to end the occupation. It’s not only the moral thing to do, but also a smarter strategy because as long as Israelis don’t feel that the status quo is taking some toll on their lives, they will continue to avoid the unpleasant political choices which are necessary for terminating the occupation. Since the Israeli left is often unable to admit its own share in the occupation – and therefore acknowledge the legitimacy of Palestinian resistance – again and again it acts against its own stated goals.

    • “Israel is perhaps the most successful totalitarian state in history”

      LOL. In other news, chrisrushlau proclaimed North Korea the world’s most successful democracy.

      FYI hophmi - in partially quoting someone to make a point, it is you who presents as a jerk. The full quote:

      Israel is perhaps the most successful totalitarian state in history, in terms of mobilization of social resources for an irrational objective.

    • I am not a Zionist.

      Seriously Miriam, if you are not a Zionist, then you are simply a racist supremacist without a cause, which is even worse.

      Hilarious Shingo! And more than a bit tragic...

    • Most likely Al-Masri and Gorbachev will advocate for the two-state solution, but I don’t know what the others will be saying.

      "Where's my fee?"

    • i read that article gingershot it was pick up by Fairfax papers in Australia:

      Israel rocked as Hawking joins boycott

      ... and I also noticed she had written anti-Israel instead of anti-apartheid. The news is so overwhelmingly bad for Israel it must have pained her to write it, and that's her one little petty dig.

    • How tragic that apparently Hawking has become the latest to grab some attention for himself by jumping on the mindless boycott Israel bandwagon.

      Tragic that any academic should seek to join an ugly bandwagon campaign that seeks to single out and vilify one nation only – above all others when there are so many other countries violating human rights and international law.

      It’s pretty repugnant in fact.

      That must feel better miriam, dropping the pretence of "liberal" and just being a plain old "zionist".

      I can't speak on behalf of anyone else but:
      • country in violation of more UN resolution than any other: Israel
      • country undertaking longest military occupation in modern history: Israel
      • country responsible for creating & maintaining the largest refugee population in the world: Israel

    • And the debunking is debunked.

      See Adam's article UPDATE.

  • We cannot fix the national problems of Syria
    • Citizen - recommend the documentary "RFK Must Die", sheds a lot of doubt on official story of RFK's assassination; there was likely more than 1 gunmen...

      There are some shorter documentaries on same subject on YT also, by the same filmmaker.

  • The three whoppers of Alan Dershowitz
    • I read Beinart's article and it is tedious. He is tedious, tying himself up in knots when even Israeli zionists are claiming Israel practices apartheid.

      Give the man a laxative.

  • It's in Jerusalem's DNA to be under 'sole Jewish rule,' mayor declares
    • Speaking to The Times of Israel news site, Nir Barkat said it was in Jerusalem's DNA to be under "sole Jewish rule" and pressure from the international community to stop building on occupied territory was "illegal."

      Barkat is an idiot, and claiming a city has DNA (even metaphorically) is idiotic nonsense.

      "The answer is no separation of the city … If the world pushes us there, it’s just a matter of time before things will fall apart," Barkat told the Times on the eve of Jerusalem Day, a controversial national holiday celebrating what Israelis call the "reunification" of the city.........

      Without a Palestinian state there will be no Israel in a decade or two. At this late point, only an idiot can't see this.

  • Mainstream turns against intervention, this time (Tom Friedman has spoken)
    • Krauss is no lover of zion, but his understanding of the complicated war in Syria is better than seafoid’s, or Annie’s.

      Krauss' understanding of the "complicated war in Syria" is not relevant, at all.

      Israel chose to join the UN and agreed to abide by it's treaties. Neither Israel nor any other country is allowed to attack a country, not even as a "pre-emptive strike".

  • Sen. Boxer is on the defensive over legislation OK-ing Israeli discrimination against Arab-Americans
    • As previously noted Boxer is a traitor, and I don't doubt she knows it.

      When confronted by a sufficient number of outraged constituents she will withdraw – it is that simple. AIPAC gets away with what it can, but it is the proverbial house of cards.

  • Arab League slights boycott of Israel by backing 'land swaps'
    • The sentiment of "already owning" the West Bank is common in official Israeli discourse. "I think the answer to this killing should be by building. That we should find an appropriate place and an appropriate time to do it legally,” said Israel's Defense Minister Danny Danon. Danon was making condolences for a settler who was stabbed to death while hitchhiking days ago in the West Bank. Speaking to Arutz Sheva, "We will make sure that there will be more Jews in Yehuda and Shomron [the West Bank]," continued Danon.

      Danon must be particularly dense since even Netanyahu has now realised that the illegal settlers will be the ultimate undoing of the jewish state of Israel.

  • Oberlin College Student Senate votes to support divestment from companies profiting from Israeli occupation
    • Jewish groups oppose Nablus as Boulder sister city
      link to thedenverchannel.com

      ADL Sends Statement to Boulder City Council Opposing Nablus Proposal
      Date: April 29, 2013
      link to regions.adl.org

      Jewish groups oppose Nablus as Boulder sister city
      link to denver.cityandpress.com

      Sometimes you just want to scream at the malicious and vindictive behaviour exhibited by these groups. I mean, SERIOUSLY – protesting a sister-city proposal!?!

      At this stage it seems like the ADL is actively seeking to give jews a bad name and promote therefore anti-semitism. Disgusting.

    • Fantastic news and well done to the local student group Students for a Free Palestine, hope their next move in the following semester is also successful.

  • Israeli minister: Google decision to recognize Palestine 'pushes peace further away'
    • “To learn who rules over you,simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize”,. Voltaire.

      Gee I wonder why Americans are stupider [correction: less informed] than everybody else in the world about the reality in Palestine and Israel. Could it be because corporate media in the US consistently lies to everyone and hardly ever reports accurately on the situation?

      Applying Voltaire's theory, which presumably you quote in agreement, Israel rules the US. While I wouldn't go that far...

    • How disappointing – with Israel about to withdraw to the 67 borders, evacuate the settlements and pay every refugee a final settlement of 2 million dollars each – Google has come along and wrecked it all!

  • Syria wrap: Grumbling This won't be easy, NYT's Bill Keller suits up for another Mid-East war
  • Fear of democracy-- Netanyahu calls for Palestinian deal so as to avert 'binational state'
    • The Wikileaks US embassy cables leaks contained one from Netanyahu from 2009 with him outlining his 'dream' Palestinian state:

      Netanyahu said his government is reviewing Israel's policy toward the Palestinians. There is a consensus in the government and among 80% of the Israeli public that the Palestinians should be able to govern themselves. The only limits on Palestinian sovereignty would be elements that affect Israel's security. A Palestinian state must be demilitarized, without control over its air space and electro-magnetic field, and without the power to enter into treaties or control its borders. Netanyahu concluded that he and opposition leader Tzipi Livni "only disagree about the name," i.e. the two-state solution.
      Link: link to cables.mrkva.eu and if that doesn't work in future search "wikileaks 09TELAVIV936"

      Sound familiar? Sound like Netanyahu would like to do to the West Bank what they have done to Gaza, and slap on the name "Palestinian State"? That's what I thought. And since Israel would control the borders AND the airspace of the Palestinian state, if the natives become unruly Israel can easily put them under a Gaza style siege.

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