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The War of Ideas in the Middle East
The turks waited long enough, however now that they made the first step, I hope they will not back down due to a "request" from Washington.
They should involve the Intepol, in that case those individuals can never leave Israel without being arrested. I miss the names of a few major politicians.
dimadok
"Do you support illegal immigration? Would you give up your neighborhood for illegal immigrants?"
What a sham!!! The whole Israel was built by illegal immigrants and they stole the neighborhoods from the palestinians!!
I correct that, they robbed by bloody force the palestinians of their land, property, nation, pride and future!!
Jews are in great majority in the intellectual section in the west, however those in the video are worse than vicious dogs.
I would like to shake the hand of that brave woman who stood up for the weak. Did those israelis forgot what it means to be despised and spat uppon? I feel you are on the right way to be despised again.
Just as Hitler, Mussolini and all other bloody dictators had no scruppel about their intentions.
Is there any difference between Lieberman and Göbbels? They both spread hate of others.
OlegR
Israel is in Asia, so what is it doing in the Eurovision contest?
The same goes for all other european sport events.
We should also allow Lebanon, Syria, Marocco, Algier and Tunisia to aprticipate, they all are much NEARER to Europe.
The Ten Commendments were written about 3,000 years ago and it is very powerful indicator at a time, when killing, rape, robbery was a way of life.
Just bring them up to modern times and it can be a start to ethical laws and behavior.
Someone should introduce the zionist occupiers/killers to what their forfathers thought of crimes commited by them today.
Not being a jew I was lost in many comments, aspecially in hebrew.
However, most commentators in this blog are highly educated and intelligent human beings, so I am very surprised how they still swallow the teachings and textes in the Torah and Talmud as the whole truth, nothing, but the truth.
The same goes, to be fair, to the Bible and Koran, or any other "sacral" books and textes. Jewish supertition created the Torah and it has as much value as the greek, roman, german and many other myths.
To a lot of unbelievable nonsense add a prise of truth, some historical events and blow it up like a baloon. Voilá, you have the magical solution for our present and future, even after death.
Israel building a state on such nonsense is a crime against humanity and intelligence.
All those books were written, and countless times re-written, to serve a purpose, mostly subjugation and total obediance to a cause. Nothing scares a human more than that unknown being, who is constantly watching over us and eventually will reward or punish us.
The Bible says "give God what is his and the king, what is his" in many words. The believers are told, they better obey the laws where they must give 10% of their earnings to the church and 10% to the king, among others with outstretched hands, as they did for centuries in Europe.
Religions, like political parties, are criminal associations, the more ignorant its members are, the better do they function. Don´t ask any question, just do what you are told to do. I certainly hope one day these stupid, ignorant and duped masses throw away those chains imposed on them by the different religions, and live according to human laws and ethic. The 10 commendments are a good start, without any hocus-pocus.
As far as the article by the rabbi, I would like to see many rabbies remembering what the 10 commandments say, if nothing else.
Although it is nothing new, reading all those men with jewish names surrounding Bush is still shocking. I am not talking about decent americans with jewish religion, but zionist with two passports, whose interests lie in a foreign country, yet rule this nation.
I wonder what the world think of us, 1.7% minority rules a democracy.
Lefty
You can judge a language the best when you do not understand a word of it, because then you listen to the melodies and diction in it. You, as a german, can never know how your mother tongue really sounds.
I personally love the sound of the italian and french languages. German is much harder, but a very precise way to express yourself.
My favorit word is:
Originalwinzergenossenschaftskellerabfüllung. A mouthful, nicht wahr?
Führer is not as much leader in english, althought it also has that meaning, but rather a "guide".
In Germany there are museumführers, bergführers, etc., those people guide you, not lead you, according to my understanding.
We should not reduce Germany to Hitler and the nazis, although for jews it was a horrible time, but we should also remember, that that land gave us:
Beethoven, Bach, Brahms, Mendelsohn, Schumann, Wagner, Goethe, Schiller, Schoppenhauer, Nitsche, Heine and Günter Gras, just to name a few of those world famous authors and composers.
The human brain is so programmed that it will eventually forget the bad things, but remembers the pleasant ones.
I am not german, not even a decendent, but as the years go by I learned to appreciate what the germans are and can do. The british are getting hyterical, because they lose their lead in politics, industry and general influance in Europe. Those colonists never learned to work hard and since the colonies are gone, there is noone left to do a decent work. This must be said, because in Brussels the british keep raising anti-german feelings, as they did a hundred years ago, when Germany surpassed them in industrial output and quality.
To be exact, that drawing is a turkish yanitshar soldier from around 1500 - 1700, the swords is typical for the turks.
Arabs used lighter swords.
I would like to bank the payments, present and future, this bag of sh..t receives for all those obvious lies and distortions.
Perhaphs one day in Turkey someone will ask him why did he say such an untruth.
I remember the life in Boston during the late 1950s and early 1960s. About half of my friends were jewish, however we never talked about religion, we were just friends. We partied, danced, went skiing or swimming together and even made interreligeous love!! That was the time when Israel was a far away place and zionism not yet made its ugly impression on the average jew.
As the nazis separated the germans and jews in Germany, as there were many friendships and inter-marriages between the two groups of humans, zionism did the same. Today were hear just way too much " I am jewish or I am catholic or moslem", however very little "I am a human". After all, according to the rabbies only those are the real jews whose mother is jewish. How long do you have to follow that path before you end up not having any jews at all, killing the whole theory.
As about a million years ago we were swinging on those branches in Africa, (at that time it had no name), we did not believe in any supernatural being who created this world in just six whole days!!! and declared one group of people, (apes), to be better than the other one.
Ugly and criminal humans with purpose did that.
Dimadok, "the majority of israelis can tell if a person jewish or arab just by looking at them...."
I made the same claim only a few days ago, that I recoignise ashkenazy jews by their looks, at least most of them, and I was attacked for it. I am glad an israeli confirms my statement.
I was put to a test about 20 years ago, room full of 25 persons of all ages, both sexes and all unknown to me. Within a minute I picked 4 out, but missed the 5th with blue eyes and blond hair. Not bad to prove a point, after all, who is perfect!
Those speeches are written by professional writers and usually are empty phrases and words. I would like to hear Obama only once to speak free of a teleprompter and without preparation.
I don´t trust him either, however who is worse, Romney or Obama? Whoever wins, the same policy will be countinued as the powers in Washington lie in the shadows, however they make all decisions and plans. Presidents only front the action. Did you see any meaningful difference between the Bush and the Obama presidency?
If I am correct, the LSO is owned by the city of London and the highest boss is the lord mayer of the city, Boris Johnson.
I do not have all details, however if I was one of those musicians whose civil rights were so drastically hurt, not to forget my bank account, I would have filed a lawsuite against the big boss and the city.
As I said before, if you start a dance then you must finish it!!
I am ready to make a bet that they would have had a lot of popular support and making public the names of those jews, who put the pressure on the management, would be most emberassing to the zionists in England and themselves.
Chapeau off to those four decent and brave musicians with a special wink to the two jews who are ready to fight against the apartheid in Israel.
England still being a democratic country, why did they not get a lawyer and get justice throught a court? If you start a dance, then might as well finish it. Six months without pay is hard, unless they quietly received their usual salary for not working.
To win something means to do something to deserve the title.
Obama was given the medal even before he did anything regarding peace, so he sure did not win/deserve it. As matter of fact, he had so many innocent civilians killed in Afghanistan and Pakistan, that he should give that medal back and should be charged with war crimes in Den Haag.
I would gladly take over his defense to make sure he gets jailed for a long time.
Mayhem
You did not get my point!
Again, those fighting in Syria are not all local patriots who want to change the regime, as we are sold by all major media, but in great numbers paid mercenaries from outside of Syria.
Who pays them? Watch your taxes working.
Who gave them the weapons? It is up to your guess.
There were times when men fought for a cause, as in the spanish civil war, the french resistance and the soviet partisans, just to name a few. They fought and died not for money, but because they believed in something good.
Annie
I have noticed you have been attacked about your "soft peddling the Syrian issue".
This weekend I had the pleasure to attend a party to welcome home a journalist coming back from Syria. We had a long discussion on the matter and according to him "the free syrian army" is greatly made up of different international mercenaries, fighting for a paycheck. He personally talked to persons from four different countries.
Once written, his story will sound different as the newspaper will not print anything contrary to the official edict that those are syrian patriots. So much for the freedom of press.
It seems Israel is working very hard to cause problems in the ME!
European rulers did the same, causing twists between groups of different nationalities, with the aim to divide and rule.
I hope the aziries will not fall for the trap, a war with Iran would only strengthen the russian position.
"German politicians"
They are just typical of any politician in this world!!
Should the situation change, they will easily say exactly the opposite in a few weeks or even days. Five dollar prostitutes have more character and spine.
Fredblogs
"if they don´t want you, they have the right to keep you out...."
So, according to your opinion, the nazis all over Europe had the right to get read of the jews, because they were unwanted!!!???
Friedman, true to his character, took over the whole discussion, accused Grass in many words of anti-semitism, and did not let the opponents make their points.
Friedman, born in France to polish jews, is the frontline buldozer of the jewish community, we may compare him to the Dersh, however more subtle. Illner, the moderator, had absolutely no control over the discussion, the zionists made all their points.
Above it is very well illustrated how much our media is controlled and owned by jews.
Wallace, Lando, Tisch and all others at the breakfast were jews. Now anyone should tell me, how can we expect a balanced reporting on Israel from CBS or any other TV or newspaper.
I would like to add the following:
Here in MW we constantly attack the policies of our goverment and our military. So, based on reasoning of Mooser, we are all bigots and anti-americans whose faces should be redone!!
What a distorted understanding of human rights.
And Denzel Washington was just perfect as an africaner.
I am sure you ment above Dgingis Khan.
LeaNder
Ich verstehe die frage nicht, außerdem sind wir schon auf ein Du basis?
By the way, I have no german roots, either.
Piotr
Naturally such classification do not apply to everyone, but only to the majority. In eastern and central Europe the jews came from Russia and had nothing to do with the jews living in Africa and ME.
Their forfathers were khasars, a turk folk, not semitic.
This theory is fought by most jews, because if it is true, it would split the tribe, the majority being not semitic. In addition there goes the right of return, you cannot go back to someplace where you never been, or none of your forfathers.
In my life I was guessed to be portugese, dutch and a few other nationalities, however I am not any of them. I did not take it to be an insult, it was just a wild guess as I could be one of them. I was never guessed to be a chinese or indian.
What I do not understand, why would someone want to be something what he is not? All humans have the same value, regardless where we came from. Religion is a man made belief and if you are a believer than we ALL come from Adam and Eve, so we are all brothers.
"but how did they know that they are jewish?"
I have lived and worked with jews all my life and can spot most of them immediately.
This comes from the thousand years of intermariage between ashkenazy jews in Europe, where a jew would marry only a jew. The consequences are that in smaller communities with few members close relatives married eachother, (Einstein married his first cousine), creating very similar features among russian, polish and other eastern european jews. Eventually they migrated toward the west and later to the USA.
This should not bother anyone as other nations have certain characterical features easily identifiable by those who have experience with them.
However I did not know that one of my favorit actors, Paul Newman, was also jewish, not being what we assume to be the typical type.
Grass was last time in Israel 40 years ago and was pellted with tomatoes.
I really doubt at age 84 he wants to visit that country again, so this banning sure worked out very negatively for Israel.
I would like to remind you that history is always written by the victors and the history of WWII is just as inaccurate as any other. A lot of hearsay, some facts and a great amount of simple lying can be found anyplace.
Even the Bible, the holliest book of christians and jews, was changed many times. I just read a report over the findings of israeli archeologists, that says not Jerusalem, but a city north was the location of the original great temple. At that time Jerusalem had only a population of estimated 1,500 and only centuries later, when the assyrians conquered Juda in the north, did Jerusalem become the center of jewish religion. To be sure, the priests in Jerusalem changed the Bible accordingly, removing all traces of the truth.
After Nicée the Bible was again greatly changed, so I would never bet on any written account of any event.
Even to speculate on "war crimes" of a 17 years old is nothing, but stupidity, it is being done t0 "kill the messanger, because you do not like the message"!!
Grass is 84 years old and since 40 years he refuses to visit Israel due to the poor treatment he received during his last trip!
I doubt he will lose any sleep over this harsh punishment.
For those who understand german:
http://www.sueddeutsche.de
Great Nadav, then please tell the same to other jews!!
It is time the zionist bury that Holocaust stigma.
50 years ago I have seen greater anti-semitism in Boston than you see today in Germany.
I checked the site of the Süddeutsche Zeitung, the newspaper that had the guts to print the poem, and found the following:
Basically all professional writers, as journalists, etc. are, damn Grass one way or another in a flood of hypocracy.
On the other hand about 80% of private comments are in his favour, many voicing a reliefe that at last someone said "what had to be said".
The first reaction of german politicians were dripping in hypocracy, now I am very curious what will happen, after all, there are elections coming up and the nation may want to shake off the chaines imposed on them by the zionist propaganda of "remember the Holocaust".
Netanyahoo may be losing his iron grip on the most important nation in Europe. If Germany turns against the zionist terror, other nations quickly will follow.
Lee
Good show, as I already said the women have biggers balls than the men!!
But, be smart. Tone down the rhetoric, try to say the same with better chosen words, do not give a reason to be called anti-semitic, (they will do it anyway).
I hope the voters of CN appreciate an honest candidate and send you to Washington to raise hell in that whorehouse.
Here we could inject that most of our soldiers and the general population support our wars against Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, bombing pakistani and yemeni villages, etc.
Stupid and ignorant people always flock behind the leaders, whatever they may be.
Reich-Ranicki was also a communist spy working for polish intelligence stationed at the embassy in London. A real turncoat, if I may say so.
Winnica
Do you think they were worse than the Irgun or the Stern Gang?
The leaders of those two terror organisations became PMs of Israel.
And watching videos of how IDF soldiers today terrorize women and children in Palestine, bombard cities with white phosphorus, use rockets to kill leaders of political parties, break hands of stone throwing children, shoot unarmed peacefull demonstrators, destroy whole palestinian villages, the question arrises:
DO YOU THINK THE IDF IS ANY BETTER THAN THE WAFFEN SS????
Grass is now 84 years old, so at the end of WWII he was only 17!!!
How can any idiot charge him with a "nazi past"? Close to the end of the war 16 and even 15 year olds were drafted and they were put into front units, where they died like flies, not having any decent training and were facing war veterans with years of experience.
After the announcement of the poem, we had the pleasure of watching a full lineup of slimey politicians from different parties, all damning Grass and declaring their love and devotion to the state of Israel.
I was ready to puke all over myself, devotion to a land of apartheid and mass murder of women and children.
It is time the germans wake up, shake off the chain imposed on them by the zionist opportunists and see Israel what it really is.
95% of the germans cannot be made guilty of the crimes commited during WWII and they should voice their resentment of still calling them nazis at any given time.
The nazis moved to Israel, they are called now zionists.
It is the mother of all hypocracy, but the ice is showing a tiny crack.
giladg
"the jews have no other place to go"
Let not confuse the jews, who left Europe after the Holocaust and great suffering, with the majority with those jews who came much, much later.
Those jews had a place to live, millions in the old Sovietunion alone, where there was no anti-semitism. As matter of fact, the jews were highly represented in the ruling class, both political and economical.
The same goes for those jews who lived peacefully in the arab countries. I personally talked to jews in Tunisia only a few years ago, who live there happily and will not move to Israel.
Facit, outside the jews who came before 1948 all others had a home where they could live peacefully and usually in greater comfort than the other citizens and these are in great majority. You believed the zionist propaganda.
The land of milk and honey did not work out as planned and the flow of those goodies will stop with the cancellation of billions of US support.
At that time we will see a great new wandering of jews to greener pastures.
Terry
You are simply ignorant or just spreading zionist hasbarah.
In Germany there are about 200,000 jews, mostly from the old SU, who have absolutly no connection to that country.
Many do not speak german and are old and drawing a retirement income HIGHER than the average german does, although they never paid a penny into that programme!!!
You zionists spread all this stories so your citizens in Israel will not pack up and go back to Europe.
You are so right!!
In Germany a great number of illegal brothels and casinos are owned by israeli criminals, when they are cought, they just take the next plane back to Israel and the german authorities have absolutly no chance to put them in jail.
This must stop if israelis do not want to be disliked, I using the mildest form of that feeling. Having a chip on the shoulder does not help establishing a friendly relationship.
I would like to add:
Hungary did not hand out the jews during WWII until during 1944 the SS kidnapped the son of the regent Horthy, forcing him to resign. Under SS guidance a new government headed by Szálasi took over and only then were jews deported by Eichmann. Without this SS coupe most likely the hungarian government would have never agreed to the deportation.
Contrary to the numbers flying around, a great number of the deported jews came home again, including the family of my oldest friend.
At Twitter there was a question if I can return to Hungary?
Yes, you can, as many jews did. As matter of fact, there is a school teaching israeli children the hungarian language, because "that is their future home"!
Israelis opened businesses in Hungary, and many jews have double citizenship moving back and forth between the two countries.
I am sure Hungary would welcome jews if they come to become hungarians and go to work. Zionists and ultra orthodox jews better stay in Israel, they will not be happy there.
lysias
I doubt a court trial would work out very well for a murderer if he bases his defense on "other did it, too".
Other nations did progress toward a better democracy during the past 50 years, Israel goes the other way. Less democracy, more fascism and apartheid!
Not to forget Cuba.
Since 50 years we have an embargo against that nation that doesn´t work, as embargos never do.
Did we welcome Cuba into a free american society, then most likely the Castro brothers were now a history. Every time we embargo a nation, see Cuba, Iraq, Iran, we punish the people, not the upper 10%, that always find a way for their special privileges, and install a high anti-american sentiment.
When those 500,000 iraqi children died because of shortage of medicine, the parents did not hate Saddam, but us, as we caused that mayhem!
What happened?? As soon as I submitted my comment all others disapperead, remaining only "+ Show content".
The question is; how do you do it?
Do not hold your breath, even if you are able to swim a mile underwater.
Netanyahu and his gang are set to have an Erez Israel one way or another, or go down in flames trying.
All this speeches by different neo-con individuals are nothing, but a smoke screen, I will be a believer when Israel start moving back behing the 1967 lines.
I am not holding my breath, either.
" I think he is being smart....."
Yes, he is being smart by jumping ship before it sinks.
You may have the pleasure of watching a lot more old zionists doing the same.
"Israel is surrounded by enemies"
Did you ever bother to ask; "why are they our enemies"?
You made them and they will never, never forget the Nakba and the constant attacks they get from their new neighbour.
In the old days we called such act treason and people were shot or hanged for it.
Klaus
BS, BS and more BS!!!
If germans would be sitting in cafes in France, Holland or Greece, territories they once occupied, as occupiers subjugating the local population, then you can bet your last wiener schnitzel that they would have to worry about bombs, just like the israelis do!!
If the jews did go to Palestina as friendly immigrants, trying to establish a Palestina for all, without killing and driving local people off their land, then they could sit in their cafes just as peacefully as german tourists do in above mentioned countries.
However, they came as occupiers and conquerors, therefore they will never enjoy real peace until they leave the palestinian lands, return stolen properties and get of the high horse. Sooner or later they will pay for their crimes, just as the germans did.
All Germany has to do is to stop being a special friend to Israel do not send weapons that kill Palestinians, and they would never bother you. Remember, the friend of my enemy is also an enemy of mine!!!
I read a major german newspaper on a daily base and it seems the reduction sits in Tel Aviv, they rarely mention the plight of the palestinian people or it is so hidden that you will not find it.
On the other hand, anything about Israel comes on the first or second page, so you cannot miss it.
Moderator
Above text was the second part of an answer to Mooser, you deleted the first part. Standing alone this doesn´t make any sense, so might as well delete this, too.
Are you acting as a firewall for Mooser? It seems everytime I reply to his sarcastic remarks, you just delete my comment.
Talking about censorship.
I would like to add the following:
Zionists fight this truth with all might, because how can you make the tribe to stick together when they do not belong to the same group of humans.
You cannot say anti-semitic, but must say anti-turk, in which case a lot of other turks may get upset.
Laurent
Your comment would pass very well to the Dersh.
He calls everyone a biggot who ever dares to voice anything not to his liking.
Thank you Annie for clearing up the fog.
I would prefer if people would be anti-jewish, anti-arab or anti Israel.
Lumping all into one leaves much to be desired.
Are the zionist who hate arabs anti-semites? If not, why, arabs are semitic?
Are anti-zionist jews also anti-semites? What kind of answer would pass to this question?
Bumblebye
Do you really believe that BBC will send a person to Jerusalem who is open minded about zionism?
Who are the persons representing US papers and TV there? Would they ever tell the truth?
95% of germans were born after the war or were only children in the war, the other 5% are over 85 years old and planning the big trip. In my opinion that country has much less right wing idiots than we have in the USA. We have armed gangs planning to take over the country, the germans don´t.
I think 67 years after the war it is time to stop blaming Germany for everything or they may stop giving Israel free submarines.
The situation in Germany.
Those right wing attacks are almost always against the turks and arab immigrants, I have never heard of one against jews.
There are about 4.5 million moslems in Germany and around 200,000 jews.
Yet, when a jewish community wants to build a new synagoge, they get the choiciest place to build it. The moslems usually must built their praying houses in the industrial section of the town.
When a new synagoge is opened, a great delegation of top politicians show up, in Munich even Angela Merkel, however, when the moslems open their moshee, usually not even the local mayer is present.
That is not what I call anti-semitism.
Since arabs, assyrers, ethyopians and a slew of other small groups of nationalities in the ME are also semites, the jews amount to about 5% of the semitic populations, therefore they using the anti-semite expression only for their own use is more than just misleading.
If we consider that the majority of the ashkenazy jews originating from Europe, the ruling class in Israel, are not semites, but converted khasars, a turk folk, than the expression "anti-semite" really cannot be used by the american jews, because they are not semites, but turks and other european converts.
This should be pointed out more often.
LeaNder
You totally misunderstood what I tried to say!
Sure, those idiots in the NDP should be locked up and the party forbidden, however there is the question of freedom of speech and expression in a democratic country. How do you get around that and who decides when a party must be forbidden. Can you forbid the KKK in the USA?
However, this is not what I tried to convey. The issue is that a low ranking israeli diplomat DIRECTS the local government what to do, what is an insult to the sovereignty of that country. Germany is not yet at the stage where Israel can dictate the interior politics, as they do in the USA.
Germany should accept the "order", but in turn DEMAND that their consul in Tel Aviv can get israeli parties declared illegal and forbiden.
Tit for a tat, or is it the other way around.
One example of how NOT to make friends:
The israeli consul in Munich, Germany, demaded from the government of that country to forbid the nationalistic right wing party NPD!!
I say they should do it, but under the condition that the german consul in Tel Aviv can name those nationalistic right wing parties in Israel, (and there are a lot more than in Germany), that should be declared illegal.
Reading this in a major german paper sure made a few new friends for Israel and the local jews!
During the 1950s Mossad commited several black flag operations against jews in Iraq to convince them of the need of moving to Israel.
France has the largest jewish population in western Europe, could this not be an attempt to get them to move to that lovely place called Israel, only safe place for jews until the arabs want their land and properties back.
Jewish friends, your biggest enemies are your rabbies and zionist hunchos. They keep you in a constant fear from the day you are born until you are dead, the only way to assure that jews will stay together and do not mix with other human beings.
You can free yourself by taking that kippa or black hat off, dress like other citizens of your country and limit your jewishness to the synagoge. If you refuse to assimilate into the society of your land you will be always an outsider and outsiders are always not liked regardless of their religion or colour of eyes.
Great, but how many were arrested or even identified by proper name?
Rumours are flying around putting this guy anyplace from Al Qaida to a Mossad black flag operation! A careful inspection of available information makes you think twice before accepting any official version.
Most curious is that he had an israeli visa stamp in his passport!!!
Now we can assume that Israel will not let just anyone into the country and we can say anything about the Mossad, but that they are stupid.
He being on the watch list in the USA and being carefully watched in France must have been known by the Mossad.
Having said that, how could he enter Israel and come out again without raising alarm bells??!!
Mossad is well known for its black flag operations, even against jews, so there may be a lot more to this than presently meets the eye. Let´s wait until the dust settles.
Does he know what his name means in english?
Weaselanimal!!
Rats have a very good nose to smell the coming desaster and jump ship long before the captain does.
Do we watch the same happening with die hard Israel Firsters?
Are they becoming I-Firsters?
I presume your comment is facetious, however I still clear up my comment.
The population of Iraq is a shiit majority and their religious leader Chief Turban ElBacardi, ( I simply cannot remember his name), is supported by Iran and has over 100,000 well armed private army.
You can bet your sweet life if we attack Iran they will take revenge on our troops still in the country, including all those 17,000 civilian employees of the embassy.
"killing 200 americans"
This must be a cheap joke! Those aircraft carriers have a crew of over 5,000 men and if Iran hits one of them with a missile, hundreds will die instantly. If the missile hits the bay where the bombs and ammunitions are, or the fuel area, the whole ship may just blow up killing most of its crew, and this is only one single missile.
What about those other hundreds fired at our ships, how many of those will hit the targets? How many ships will sink?
We also have military installation all around Iran with at least 100,000 soldiers, an easily hit by iranian missiles. Iran makes sure the Taliban go on the warpath, again.
In addition Iraq will rise again, Iran supplied them with enough weapons. How many americans must die there? We can expect that many american facilities will be hit by terrorists, perhaps our cities, such as New York. How many people will die if they explode a chemical device on Times Square?
The majority of the population in Bahrain are shiits and we have our ME fleet there. Does anyone think that it will not be hit? It is only a couple hundred miles from Iran!
Iran is not Iraq and we will pay heavily if we or Israel decides to attack them, so forget about the 200 dead americans. Add a couple 00 to that number.
After reading the article I am even more upset and hope the british sort this out before Tzipi decides to go shopping again. Arresting her is a very tiny step toward justice for Gaza.
Thanks you, Hostage, your information is always appreciated.
Tzipi did not dare to go to London until the present government changed laws to please her. Those laws would have allowed anyone to do a citizen arrest on her for war crimes in Gaza.
Cameron, being a zionist traitor, made sure all israeli war criminals can go on a shopping tour to London without fear of having to pay for their sins.
Listening to Uygur in above video is painful, he talks, and talks, and talks, and doesn´t say anything!! That is the reason I stopped to visit the Young Turks site.
Someone should tell him to cut the BS, intelligent people do not have the patience to wait until he says something relevant and I doubt dummies bother to visit his site.
The way you present it is just as important as the subject of your presentation, Cer.
You bore people to death and you are not even a woman with a very lose mouth.
You may not noticed it, but most of these brave young people who speak up and disturb zionist meetings are females!!!!
Do they have more balls than the men?
OlegR
Judging after your name, you are an immigrant from Russia to Israel.
I ask you the following:
Does Russia have nuclear weapons?
Does Israel have such weapons?
They both have and never used them, so why do you think Iran would attack Israel if or when they have it?
With the belligerence of Israel in the ME it is important for Iran to have a good deterrent and what is better than a A-bomb?
No country is stupid to attack another with such a weapon, so it is a peace maker. Or do you think Israel can have it, but no other nation in the area?
"I respect dual citizenship"
Since you can serve only one lord and one country, I oppose dual citizenship for those who were born in the USA. If they want to serve the interests of another land, they should move there and give their US citizenships and passports back.
For immigrants, who become US citizens, we may make an examption, but not for their children. Here we have a problem, as certain new citizens MUST renounce their old citizenship, but others, like israelis, may keep theirs.
Here we should have one law, either way!!
I must be getting soft, since you cannot serve two lords at the same time, no dual citizenship should be allowed. Basta!!
One must ask, what are all those foreign citizens, AGENTS, doing in our government and sensetive positions like in the military and intelligence services?
If dishonesty was a crime, Dershy would sit in a jail for 200 years!!
Looking at videos shut on the IDF locations one should not be surprised that they take a lawyer along, just in case legal questions arise.
Our own military could also use a few lawyers on their venture into "terrorist" terrain. I remember good 50-60 years ago we called those people freedom fighters, however at that time they were fighting other occupiers!!!
Abileah
I am proud of you! You are an example of something good coming out of Israel, what is soooooo rare.
Sue those two bastards for 100 million, a good lawyer can think up a dozen reasons.
I would not hold my breath that long, the MSM has an unlimited supply of financial support, therefore liberals and anti-zionists MUST find a way to negate that.
Just like the Vietcong made our far far superior weapons unimportant.
"3,100 palestinians live in NYC".
And how many israeli citizens and american zionists, a good base for a large
5th column?
I read this in an european blog, a comment by an upset reader.
" Don´t we have more important problems than to have to deal with the problems of Israel on a daily base? That little shitty country is so small that you must use a magnifying class to find it on the map. It is the only apartheid state in existence and the whole state is an illegal creation violating most international laws and human rights" (my translation).
It seems more and more people are getting tired of this constant hystery about the state of Israel and their well being.
I really see no difference in israeli politics regardless which party is in power. Netanyahoo or Peres, what is the difference, they both are war criminals, as most other top politicians in Israel are.
Coming home, do you see much diffrence between our two political parties? Once, yes, but now they both sing the same song and get paid from the same paymasters.
Just imagine, there is a war declared and nobody shows up!!!
Brenda
I do not follow your reasoning! I get the impression that in your opinion anyone who has access to large amounts of money will and can end up as a criminal and it is not his fault, but that filthy moneybag´s who gave him the necessary juice. Our criminal laws do not function that way!
I really never cared for Israel, because the world would be a better place without such states as it is, however I care for those israelis who will pay the price when the day of reconning is here.
Some will have the money and connections to flee to the USA and end up with a cushy job reserved for them, however most will stay there to face the music. Those zionists must have been just as crazy as their nemesis Hitler was, did they really think they get away with raping and subjugating the ME forever?
As far as the USA goes, we will pay dearly for our stupidity to follow the zionist course and allow them to take over and control our country and its politicians and government.
Why do you people never learn from history? This same story keeps repeating itself over and over again, in the USA probably we will end up with an increased anti-semitism once the average ignorant citizen wakes up and someone starts hitting the drums.
You know the saying: you can fool some people all the time, you can fool all of them sometimes, but you cannot fool all of them all the time.
Brenda, you are day dreaming!
Take a good look at how Israel was created, the years before 1948 and the years since.
Nothing but unnecessary wars, lies, oppression, killing, stolen secrets from the USA sold to the USSR, making prostitutes out of our congress and governments, stealing of land, killing children, etc., etc. All these could not have been done without the approval of a great majority of israelis, so let´s not blame the US jews for creating a fascistic apartheid state. They just financed the undertaking.
Let´s be honest, the jews arriving from Europe never had the slightest intentions to find a place for themselves in a democratic land, regardless what it may be called, where all had the same rights and privileges.
From the very beginning they wanted a land that is jewish by its character and laws, and they were ready to use all means, including terror and wars, to achieve it.
Since the arrival of the russian jews it got real bad as they brought with them a long history of savage suppression of others.
The original intentions may had a few nobel sides, just like the Mafia was originally created to fight the foreign rulers, however very shortly both the Mafia and Israel became a criminal entity.
What about the women´s rights in Israel or in a jewish community?
In NYC there are buses ran by jewish organisations where the men and women MUST sit on different sides. In New York City!!!
In Jerusalem young women are attacked, including tourists, for not being dressed according to the requirements of the Torah. On busses the different sexes must be separated.
In Israel the number of orthodox jews are increasing rapidly. The women wear several long skirts, tops and veils covering their whole bodies, they look worse than any moslem. Great part of the settlers belong to this group.
They are called "the afghans" by modern jews.
If we talk about the rights of women, then let us cover both sides. The difference is: the moslems live in a society that never really left the middle ages, the jews come from western countries where they had the opportunity to learn a few things.
Why don´t we ever hear about those repressions of women in Israel and the orthodox jewish life?
What makes me very angry is that we discuss an attack on Iran as was it an unavoidable natural disaster and not a willful act of war by power hungry circles.
Was not the original plan for the UNO to prevent any more wars between nation? Instead we have war after war under the umbrella and blessing of that useless organisation, usurped by the few powerful nations.
Bruce
Europeans are doing this very stupid thing under the tremendeous pressure from Washington, Angela Merkel and Sarkozy want to prove that they are just as tough as the americans are. The rest of the EU countries follow like a sheep, as they hang on the good will of those two politicians.
Just like in Washington, also in Brussels, the politicians really do not care about their constituents, they try to make a name for themselves so in the coming elections they will be elected again. If those actions hurt their countries, who really cares, they cannot be made responsible for any damages they cause. Just like in the USA or any other countries.
Although the europeans are much better educated than their american counterparts, they still do the same mistakes by electing the same politicians again and again, regardless how much damage they did during the previous period. A sheeple mentality.
Sorry, seafoid,
however Israel is NOT a jewish state and I hope it never be.
It should be a state where all have the same rights, without any consideration for religion.
Sure we can prevent such attack, if our president had balls.
I would tell Israel if they ever attempt to bomb Iran we will shoot down their planes.
Easy enough, as we have air power and missiles all around Israel.
It is a petty that our president is a gutless marionette.
"Israel sink an US ship...
That was the reason for two wars we fought.
An attack on SS. Maine in Havanna started the spanish-american war, the Tomkin Bay attack was used to start bombing N. Vietnam.
Both were a lie, as such attacks never happened.
OK girls, stop flirting!!
Real Jew
We agree, however someone MUST take the first step.
By sticking your head in sand, or do what others do, never will change the situation in the USA.
Our founding fathers revolted against the british king and risked their lives for the cause. So did others all over the world who revolted and even died in the cause of freedom and democracy. Don´t we have a leader with spine and character who says it is time we stop this slide toward a foreign rule, (Israel), and a dictatorship?
Did we become a nation of cowardly baby Hueys? Fat, docile and ripe for the slaughter?
Real Jew
Nobody is forced to do anything except to pay taxes and to die.
They could always walk away and do something else for a living. Most of them are rich or even millionairs.
The nurenberg trial cleared the situation, you make yourself liable if you follow the wrong order or line of politics.
Caron
I can read maps very well, however the one provided by you through Wiki just doesn´t make any sense.
I could not figure our who the blues and the yellows are. This must be a map from a very long time ago and it indicates something else than military power groups and their locations. Who is the yellow one in Marocco as that country do not belong to any military group?
We are talking about many, many billions!!!
..it is forced to maintain massive spending for defence...
Defense against whom? Stone throwing palestinian children outraged over their supression, WB arabs who are driven out of their homes?
Peaceful demonstrators?
Besides, those expenses are covered by the compliments of the US taxpayers.
The saudis and iranians are not exactly friends, however the saudis are partners with Israel.
So what will Iran do if it is attacked? Those saudi oil fields are just a couple hundred miles from Iran, so they will just send a few dozen missiles to destroy them, so stopping the saudis to increase production.
That will be noticed by the world immediately and Israel will have a great pressure to answer, either stop immediately or recon with military attack against them. Welcome to WWIII.
The only solution: once Obama is notified of an imminent israeli attack, he must order our armed forces to prevent it by all means. That means cruise and other missiles hitting military airfields, missile sites and other military installations in Israel, right behind them our planes.
There are only two choices, destroying israeli military power or WWIII.
Amen, Ramzi
The question here is not how bright Adler is or would assassinating Obama help the cause of Israel or not, but did he commit a federal crime by advocating in writing the killing of our president?
Should he be a moslem or even a christian, the FBI would have already knocked on his door to ask him a few questions.
May a bloody zionist say just anything without having to worry about the law?
"What was their game?"
Those dirty prostitutes were advertising their ware and waiting for an offer.
Do we want a president with a main interest in a foreign country?
In the old days we called them traitors, do the meaning of this word still apply?
President Peres, according to "my knowledge" the israelis are innocent of the Gaza attack with white phosphor, therefore it never happened.
I have listenned your speech where you bragged about how you bought Manhattan, Poland and Hungary and how you can control the US congress.
According to "my knowledge" it is not true, so it never happened!!
Funny thing about "knowledge", it works the way we want it.
"not all jews and christians belong to the same basket."
Yes, however the great majority do!!!!
And majorities win elections, dictate rules and regulations and suppress the minority.
With that we are back to the start, 50 million american christian zionists, with the help of 90% american jews, are killing palestinian children!!!
Philip
There is a time for talk and there is a time for a fight and I say it is better to talk a full year than to fight just an hour.
I was present during 1956 when the hungarians fought the russian, during 1968, when the chechs were suppressed in Prag, I was also in Buenos Aires when during 1976 the military putched. I could go on, but you may get the picture by now.
Israel is acting since 1948 like a fascist apartheid power, subjugates the palestinians, steals land, shoots unarmed civilians, bombs cities with forbidden material, (white phosphor and spent uran), send killing commandoes to foreign country, etc. Hey, they are just as good as the nazis were!
Do you think pussyfooting and talking will change their behavior?
You cannot eat the cake and keep it, you must decide what you want and do your best to achieve that goal.
As there could not be a Mafia without the sicilian people, there couldn´t be zionism without the jews. In Israel nothing will change until the american jews say: THAT IS ENOUGH, WE WILL NOT STAND IT ANYMORE!!!
Did you ever say that or just try to keep the discussion "civilized"?
I appreciate her honesty and courage, I am sure it is not easy for her to criticize Israel. Comparable to an sicilian criticising the mafia.
Correct.
Those comments on Pamela Geller´s site show how sick, sick, sick our society is!!!
Charon, "I just don´t trust them all... based in the east."
Are we back to the cold war days, west against east?
I watch RT, Al Jaseera, France24, CCTV, BBC, etc., all state sponsored stations and they certainly beat CNN and Fox News. They may be state sponsored or owned, however more honest about news than our pure white, western, private, zionist owned and Tel Aviv controlled TV.
As the war drums beat gets frenzier, the prices on the NYSE keep climing, proving the point made a long time ago: when the cannons thunder, buy all the shares you can.
However, the majority of us will not like the consequences if this artificial hystery over Iran´r nuclear plans turns into a shooting war.
I remember the 1973 oil embargo when in Europe driving on sundays were forbidden, and in my opinion that was just a mild reaction. This time the war will take place right in the center of the 40% supply of the world oil resources and if Iran should close the Hormus Straight, what in my opinion they will do, we must face a worse financial crises than the 1930 depression.
Even without an oil crises we have a great financial crises that may turn into a deep depression, with a war with Iran it is a certainty.
Why Iran and not N. Korea, a land I hold more irresponsible?
They both have nuclear programs, however N. Korea is not in the sphare where Israel is building an empire called Erez Israel.
Iran is, and it is the only power remaining in the ME who is not friendly to Israel, after we destroyed Iraq and Syria is destroying itself. Iran can face down Israel in military force, because an air power will never decide the outcome of a war and Israel have no army that can fight a long outdrawn conflict.
Not the nuclear program of Iran is the main reason why we may end up in another war and a deep deep depression, but Israel´s hegemony in the ME.
Are the average americans ready to pay another terrible price for it or will they finally grow balls and chase those traitors in Washington out of the office? Will they finally say, that is enough?
I would not bet on it.
Hophmi, "you are a reporter, Alex, so go......."
Yes Alex, by all means, go and take that carefully planned tour with an IDF guide or if you are lucky, Mossad will provide one.
You will have a chance to visit all the wonderful locations built by billions of american taxpayers money, (what never will be mentioned), then later see how the arabs live under constant bombardment, attacks by the IDF and with water left after the israelis steal most of it.
I wonder how Israel would look like if it never received a penny from the USA and americans would not be able to write off from taxes the money they donate to jewish funds and organisation.
No, we did not!!
There are tens of thousands of heavily armed civilian contractors, mostly with long years of military training, who will keep an eye on any government the iraqis will install.
We did not withdraw, we just changed the official military uniform for something else, the orders come from the same place and we continue to spend billions on this follie.
Above we have two different pictures of Philip Weiss.
May the real one stand up.
I wish happy Hanukka and a Merry Christmas to all who participate in and read this blog. To our Moslem friends peace and freedom.
Prudzio
You can find a book to prove your point, if you look long enough!
I prefer facing the issue.
I few years ago I visited the old synagoge on the island of Djerba in Tunisia.
I had the opportunity to have a long talk with the head of the community and since my visit was only a year after the synagoge was bombed I had a lot of question.
Those jews lived there over a thousand years under arab, turkish, french rule and were never treated as you describe the jewish life in Egypt. They could worship in their religion and lived a peaceful life all those years.
You cannot say the same for Europe and certainly not for Israel, where moslems today threated like subhumans.
Oh, I am sure you are proud of that, proudzio.
Leibowitz may be correct in many areas, however he is wrong on suggesting Israel should use the jewish religious laws, the halacha.
Can you imagine the outcry, - lead by jewish forces -, if traditionally catholic countries like Italy, Spain, Portugal and Poland, would decree that only the catholic church´s canonic laws apply in the land, and all citizens must live according to those laws?!
The israelis made, and still make, the mistake of trying to turn back history not 2,000, but 3,000 years, and use the Torah and the Talmud as their laws and history books, both full of myths and outright lies.
It has long been proved by ISRAELI scientists that bordering on certainty there were no Moses and the burning bush, no Abraham, the isrealis never were in Egypt and there was no wandering in the desert, and what may really hurt their religious esteem, the great empire of David and Salomon is nothing, but a myth, an invented fairytale. It was just a local tribal power.
How can a people build a nation on such foundation and how can they expect other nations will take this seriously?
Israel must move to the 21st century and leave the ancient history behind, otherwise it will not survive another 25 years.
Laws should apply to ALL evenly. If they have no problems to shoot and kill palestinian children, then they should also shoot terrorist settlers.
Rabin ordered the IDF to break the arms of the stone throwing boys and even children, you can YouTube the subject.
I would not name him as a good example of moral leadership.
Dan C
You print an entirely different picture of MA than I remember good 50 years ago.
Saturday at midnight Beantown turned the lights out, rolled up the sidewalks and got ready to go to church on Sunday.
If you are correct, then I certainly welcome the change, because according to my experience the citizens of MA were real conservatives, if you discount the students at the many universities.
One may criticise americans, russians, moslems, chinese, christians or even God, but don´t you ever dare to say anything negative about jews or Israel!!
That unwritten rule is changing, I hope bringing positive results to all sides.
17,000 at the US embassy:
Heck, most of our diplomats can cause a lot of damage to our country single handed, just imagen what 17,000 can do?!
D-Vita
Metamorphosing into IV Reich
That is not a very intelligent comment!
Europe lived over its means for many years, just like the US did, and have fiscal problems. However, the Euro-zone have 17 different countries with that many ministerpresidents and central banks, so they have it not as easy as we have. Try to convince all those diffrent nations with many different languages and cultures, when Washington cannot do it with a common language and only one government.
Germany is the biggest economy in the EU and it pays the largest share of the costs, therefore it is natural they also have a major voice in the decisions.
This stupid new reich talk comes from the british who are jealous of the growing economic and political might of Germany and are trying to cause trouble. Recently Britain lost an EU decision 26 - 1 favoring Germany, meaning either GB will stop causing problems or just can leave the EU.
Not the Euro is in trouble, but the US dollar. During 1963 I got 4.8 swiss frankli for a dollar, today you get aroung 0.75, roughly one sixth!
The same goes for the Euro and other currencies.
Hitchens: The little boats cannot make much difference...."
I disagree with that! As the first bird arriving in the spring, regardless how small it may be, signalisiert the coming of the spring, those little boats made a huge difference in how the world views the ME. They opened the eyes many who until then were blind, made Turkey to stand up for the rights of its citizens.
Not to forget the huge impact in the USA.
A hundred miles long journey always start with the first step.
As I said months ago, nothing will change in this country until the american jews
lead the charge against zionism and the israeli lobby.
Bravo, Tom Friedman, lead the charge and may you have many followers.
This is just an example how history will be re-written to please a certain audience or ruling group.
I would love to see how the very first Bible or Torah compares to the ones we read today, not that I believe any of those stories. Just for fun.
"There are other ways to pound a military base without using missiles."
Yes, Annie, I am all ears, how would you pound a military base in Japan if you are an iranian general?
You could bomb it, but Iran has no long range planes.
Your could use artillery if you get 20-25 miles near, but you cannot.
You could use machineguns if you get 1 mile near, but you still cannot.
You could use arrows if you get as near as 100 yards, but you cannot.
That leaves sneaking up on those guys in the middle of the night, shout hurrah and throw stones and use your bayonet, however I really cannot imagen this kind of attack.
My reply was to Rich on his comment about Japan and it stands as correct.
I must repeat, your comments are more than naive.