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  • gamal gamal, September 22, 2018, 11:12 AM

    "During the years I lived in the Arab world I came to know several Palestinians"

    It's striking how often people who wish to propose "solutions" or who lament the suffering of Palestinians how rarely they seem to understand that anything of value was and is being destroyed with the eradication of Palestine, just bunch of "Arabs", like "She was just a gook Sir"

    The dissolution of Palestine was a great loss to humanity and the trashing and forgetting of their history diminishes us all.


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  • Misterioso Misterioso, September 22, 2018, 10:47 AM

    Thank you Mondoweiss for this beautiful article.

    During the years I lived in the Arab world I came to know several Palestinians of Reja-e Busailah's age, men and women, who were violently dispossessed and driven out of their homeland by Zionist Jews of foreign origin. I can honestly say that despite the horrors they suffered, I have never met a more noble, wise and kind hearted people.

    Zionism is a plague on the Palestinians. However, as is increasingly obvious, it is a curse for Jews. All so predictable.


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  • Maghlawatan Maghlawatan, September 22, 2018, 10:33 AM

    Emet, the Palestinians are descended from the ancient Jewish population. The Ashkenazim are not.


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  • Misterioso Misterioso, September 22, 2018, 10:28 AM

    @beg

    Also:

    https://israelpalestinenews.org/in-under-24-hrs-israeli-soldiers-kill-4-civilians-one-a-child-who-posed-no-threat-and-its-not-friday/?eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=744fdf5a-b606-4d97-8732-7fdf2dc9af4e

    If Americans Knew, Sept. 18/18
    "In under 24 hrs, Israeli soldiers kill 4 civilians (one a child) who posed no threat (and it’s not Friday.")

    EXCERPT:
    "Israeli soldiers with live fire and tear gas, warplanes, and drones combined efforts to interrupt nonviolent actions near the Gaza border, resulting in 4 civilian deaths and dozens of injuries. Israel claimed that in one case, 'saboteurs' approached the fence and 'planted a suspicious object near it' (later refuted); in the other case, soldiers fired at a group of peaceful demonstrators.

    "PCHR calls upon the ICC Prosecutor to open an official investigation into these crimes and to hold accountable all those involved.

    "Israeli soldiers also committed another particularly heinous crime in the West Bank today."

    "From Palestinian Center for Human Rights"

    "Within less than 24 hours, Israeli forces killed 4 Palestinian civilians, including a child, and wounded 44 others, including 7 children, 2 women, 3 journalists and 2 paramedics, in 2 separate crimes.

    "The first was in the southern Gaza Strip, when Israeli warplanes launched missiles to kill 2 civilians; one of them was a child, without any justification or threat to the life of soldiers; the second was in the northern Gaza Strip when Israeli forces used excessive force against peaceful protesters near Beit Hanoun 'Erez' Crossing."


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  • Misterioso Misterioso, September 22, 2018, 10:17 AM

    @wondering jew

    Spare us. Ari Fuld was a racist/fascist Zionist brutally and illegally occupying an other people's land. His fate at the hands of a teenage member of the indigenous resistance is hardly surprising.


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  • Ossinev Ossinev, September 22, 2018, 10:11 AM

    I do not relish or take any pleasure in a situation where for whatever reason innocent young children lose a parent. The parent in this case however was an arrogant strutting vicious ex IDF thug who probably during his 23 yr IDF service (nb he enlisted in the Israeli army not the US Army - what a truly patriotic American ) brutalised ,tortured , wounded and killed innocent Palestinian men women and children and delighted in the experience. Fuld was a war criminal and as with Adolf Eichmann and his like the world is a much better place without him. As for his wife and his adult relatives well if they were to find it within themselves to recognise the causes of the young Palestinian`s rage and for example condemn the upcoming demolition of his home (a routine Zionist war crime ) then I would have some sympathy for them. I doubt that will be the case.


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  • Misterioso Misterioso, September 22, 2018, 10:11 AM

    @beg, et al

    Meanwhile, just received from a Canadian friend:

    Toronto Palestine Film Festival
    September 20th to 23rd, 2018

    Official program: http://www.tpff.ca/program-2018/

    TPFF opens with "Naila & The Uprising"
    Preview:
    https://vimeo.com/242161763

    "Q&A to follow with director Julia Bacha and Naila Ayesh"

    "We are thrilled to be opening this year's festival with the Canadian premiere of Naila & the Uprising by Julia Bacha tonight, Sep 20 at 7:00 PM (co-presented with Human Rights Watch Film Festival & Cleo Journal).

    "The film chronicles the remarkable journey of Naila Ayesh whose story weaves through the most vibrant, nonviolent mobilization in Palestinian history – the First Intifada in the late 1980s. This film tells the story that history overlooked – of an unbending, nonviolent women’s movement at the head of Palestine’s struggle for freedom."


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  • Kay24 Kay24, September 22, 2018, 10:10 AM

    Another precious Palestinian life taken, all to continue the occupation, and take over lands.

    This could be the "we shall use assassination" part.


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  • jon s jon s, September 22, 2018, 10:08 AM

    amigo,
    Maybe you missed it:
    https://mondoweiss.net/2018/08/movement-sodastream-following/comment-page-1/#comment-928130


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  • Maghlawatan Maghlawatan, September 22, 2018, 10:03 AM

    Israël has never had peace. Israeli soldiers kill for a sick system of Jewish wealth and privilege. Eventually the soldiers will also be shafted. Adelson doesn’t care about them either.


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  • jon s jon s, September 22, 2018, 10:02 AM

    I thought Phil's essay was quite moving, until I reached the last two paragraphs, which are way off-base , in my opinion.
    There was no uniform "Jewish response" on the part of the survivors. Some remained religious, others abandoned religion . Elie Wiesel made his way to New York, Primo Levi returned to Italy, Marek Edelman remained in Poland, Abba Kovner came to Israel.
    Of those who came to Israel, some became right-wing hawks, some left-wing peace activists, some in the center. But "slaughtering innocent protesters on the Gaza border"? As vengeance for the Holocaust? In 2018? Just posing those questions shows the absurdity.
    The survivor I'm closest to personally, my mother-in-law, who was a child in the Kindertransport, has no desire to harm anyone , including Palestinians in Gaza or anywhere else.


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  • Misterioso Misterioso, September 22, 2018, 10:00 AM

    @Kay24

    Also:
    http://daysofpalestine.com/post/11297/ireland-officially-approves-ban-on-israeli-products?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    "Ireland officially approves ban on Israeli products"

    "‘Israeli settlements are war crimes, and it’s time for Ireland to show some leadership and refuse to support them,' the bill said."
    Sep 19 2018

    EXCERPT:
    "Ireland’s senate has voted in favour of a bill banning the importation of products from occupied Palestinian territories, paving the way for the country to become the first EU nation to enforce a boycott."


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  • Misterioso Misterioso, September 22, 2018, 9:56 AM

    @Boris

    Oh, boo-hoo. A prominent armed Zionist thug of foreign origin illegally and brutally occupying land that belongs to the Palestinians is assassinated by a teenage member of the resistance. Gee, I wonder why. Your hypocrisy is beyond words.


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  • Hostage Hostage, September 22, 2018, 9:46 AM

    Keith: “Bob Woodward’s book Fear has been a sensation in many respects. But one aspect has barely been mentioned. After two years of exhaustive research for his book, Woodward says that he has found no evidence of collusion between Putin’s government and Donald Trump’s campaign in 2016. Zilch, nada, zero. And Woodward strained very hard looking for it.” (John Walsh)

    I've read Woodward's "Fear". Unlike you, he made a pretty convincing case for the proposition that: (1) the Russians bailed out Trump with dirty money when he was billions of dollars in debt; (2) the Russians did interfere in the 2016 elections in favor of Trump; and (3) the Russian Mafia and/or Russian Oligarchs have been pouring millions of dollars into Republican and Democratic campaign coffers and messing around in our domestic politics for decades. It seems pretty clear that Woodward's normal inquisitiveness, powers of observation and analysis simply evaporated when he was dealing with the subject of the Steele dossier or the meeting with the Russians in Trump Tower. He's straining so hard to find evidence of collusion that "he can't see the forest for the trees" that are standing in his way.

    For example, Woodward says that the initial Trump briefing on the National Intelligence Estimate regarding Russian interference in the 2016 election was excellent or top notch work, but that Comey spoiled everything by bringing up a summary of the Steele Dossier at the last minute. Comey explained that the information was "out there" and would inevitably be brought to the attention of the media (Buzzfeed published Steele's copy 4 days later).

    Woodward fixated on a salacious part and overlooked the much more relevant first person eyewitness accounts from an informant inside the Trump camp regarding (1) collusion and conspiracy between the members of the Trump campaign and the Russian government; (2) personal knowledge of Russian intelligence agents who had infiltrated the DNC; (3) knowledge of other Russian agents working in the USA, who were part of the election meddling scheme. That individual, "Source E", was described in the 26 July 2016 and 10 August 2016 Steele memos as an "ethnic Russian associate of Presidential Candidate Donald J. Trump". https://goo.gl/gzEVZV

    Source E stated that Trump, Paul Manafort, and Carter Page had been notified in advance about the Wikileaks release of the DNC emails. He also stated that Carter Page had served as Manafort's intermediary with the Russians and that Page had spoken to him personally about his role in planning and executing the strategy to use the emails to convert disgruntled Sanders supporters into Trump voters . See the text of the dossier https://themoscowproject.org/dossier/

    Woodward says he went on Fox News after the Buzzfeed article appeared and said the dossier was "garbage" and that the intelligence community should apologize for even mentioning any of its contents to President Trump. About a hundred pages later in the book, Woodward actually quotes another comment from Source E (from the same Steele memo) explaining that most of the intelligence Trump passed along to Putin was information regarding the investments and activities of Russian Oligarchs and their families living in the USA and that Putin had a keen interest in them. So, we know that Woodward at least read that particular memo.

    Oddly enough, Woodward failed to notice that Steele was utilizing a pre-existing network of reliable informants. In other words, Source E was already working undercover (for someone) before Steele was ever hired by Fusion GPS.

    Every major news outlet in the country has long since reported that Felix Sater led a double life for years as an FBI and US Intelligence informant. According to court documents, that included the entire period of time that he was associated with the Trump Organization. See for example, "Trump business associate led double life as FBI informant - and more, he says" http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-sater-trump-20170223-story.html

    So it simply blew my mind, when Woodward subsequently described Felix Sater in a passage from Fear as: (1) a longtime ethnic Russian associate of Donald Trump; (2) a man of mystery who would go undercover for the DIA, CIA, or FBI - and then changed the subject.

    Woodward's entire analysis of the Trump Tower meeting was "It was a huge story, suggesting—but not proving—some kind of subterfuge and clandestine cooperation with Russians."

    He based that opinion upon this incompetent advice from Trump's lawyer John Dowd: "“Mr. President, it’s horseshit,” Dowd told him. And so what? Getting dirt on people was commonplace in campaigns and the nation’s capital. It even had a name—“opposition research” or “investigative reporting.” That’s what half of Washington seemed to be paid for. Is there something wrong with that? No. Dowd knew that opposition research teams and investigative reporters would take dirt from anyone, even foreign governments. All the media posturing was disgusting. They were treating it like the crime of the century. The New York Times and The Washington Post thought they were the special counsel and the law of the land. The stories were a big nothing burger, Dowd concluded."

    So Woodward got exhausted before he even researched a second opinion. Needless to say, Dowd is no longer around and he didn't exactly "cover himself in glory" while he was there. Armies of legal experts, including legions of former US Attorney's have appeared on television ever since, and they beg to differ with Mr. Dowd about the number of felony statutes that were violated, during and after, the Trump Tower meeting.


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  • Joshua Laskin Joshua Laskin, September 22, 2018, 9:29 AM

    For young Brits, observing this meshuggaas; the very concept of "antisemitism," becomes clearly meaningless. Jews are their allies; and, Zionist-Jews, are their enemies. What could be simpler? Anti-Zionism, is the new, Anti-'the-System.'


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  • Boomer Boomer, September 22, 2018, 9:11 AM

    I liked the music, but couldn't quite make out the lyrics, nor what to make of them. So I did a search for an explanation and found this:

    https://www.quora.com/Is-there-a-source-explaining-the-lyrics-for-The-Mans-Too-Strong-by-Dire-Straits

    Regarding my comment about "moving on," I should add that it was mainly empty aspiration. Realistically, I fear the only kind of "moving on" available to the Palestinian refugees is and will continue to be entirely literal: somehow finding their way to a country that will allow them to become citizens with a chance at a decent life, albeit as strangers in a strange land. It would be nice to think that Jewish Israelis would allow Palestinians to live among them and share the land that once was theirs, nice to think that both sides could "move on" in that more constructive way, but I don't expect that to happen.

    Recently I heard a talk by someone who knows a lot about the region and the attitudes of people there. I inferred that the only kind of "right of return" that has a chance of garnering approval by a majority of Jews in Israel would be a return of refugees to a portion of the occupied territories. That portion would remain under military control: either by the IDF, or by some "multi-lateral" force approved by Israel. The portion would be that which (a) has not been settled by Jews, and (b) is not otherwise deemed essential by Jews to Israel for strategic or other reasons. Possibly, as well, some few refugees who were born in what is now Israel before 1948 would be allowed to return home to die.

    Given those parameters as the most that Israel might be willing to grant, the options for Palestinian refugees in the region seem bleak. Thus, as I've mentioned before, I believe that the United States should offer those who wish to come here the opportunity to do so. I believe we owe them that much: our support of Israel's actions has made us complicit.


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  • bcg bcg, September 22, 2018, 9:04 AM

    This seems relevant - (Sept 21)

    https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/maureen-clare-murphy/gaza-children-killed-israeli-snipers-air-attack

    "Gaza children killed by Israeli snipers, air attack...Amnesty International has said it has not found any evidence of protesters posing a threat to the lives of soldiers behind the fence that would justify the use of deadly force."

    But it's Palestinian blood so it won't be reported in the mainstream press.


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  • catalan catalan, September 22, 2018, 8:55 AM

    “who knows, he was an inciteful human being. karma”. Annie
    First the bravado when you get someone killed. Then, when the inevitable response comes, the whining and handwringing. What goes around comes around. His death will be avenged tenfold and the vengeance will feel so good.


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  • Jim Holstun Jim Holstun, September 22, 2018, 8:15 AM

    Really striking, and beautifully written, with lots to think about. But I wonder about how far the vengeance explanation goes. On the one hand, yes, and for instance, Abba Kovner: Lithuanian poet, partisan, member of the postwar group Nakam, which planned to poison German prisoners and, if possible, six million German civilians. In Israel, as a Givati morale officer, he was famous and notorious for his fascist "Battle Sheets," which gloried in the reality and the prospect of dead Egyptian soldiers.

    But on the other hand, Tom Segev's The Seventh Million, which shows the grave indifference of the Yishuv to European Jews before and during the war, and to the "human dust" that survived--this was a phrase applied not just to Palestinian refugees and Mizrahi emigrants, but to Ashkenazi Holocaust survivors. The motive of this group--David Ben Gurion et al--was not so much vengeance as a calculating colonial nationalism and capitalism.

    Still, it's true that the most horrifying imaginable response to a Jewish child shot down in a Warsaw street in 1942 is a Palestinian child shot down at the Gaza fence in 2018.


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  • oldgeezer oldgeezer, September 22, 2018, 8:05 AM

    He was killed while engaged in perpetrating violations of international humanitarian law. He was armed. He was a thug and a valid target. The sun shines a little brighter.


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  • annie annie, September 22, 2018, 7:44 AM

    all our arab friends? that is a lie. israel has bombed kids playing soccer, pregnant women sleeping in their beds. did it ever occur to you fuld was targeted specifically? who knows, he was an inciteful human being. karma.


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  • annie annie, September 22, 2018, 7:15 AM

    anti-semitism once came from the racialist far right, and now comes overwhelmingly from the anti-Zionist far left

    which is the purpose of this new fake definition of antisemitism. when you lay with dogs, you get fleas. this won't end well.


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  • Danaa Danaa, September 22, 2018, 6:18 AM

    Rabbi Heschel, and others like him, who sought to contribute to a Jewish theology mired in the religious, are, have become, irrelevant. Their thoughts, their writings, their descriptions of jewish life are doomed to be read by ever fewer, relatively speaking. Even in Israel, of the majority of the great Jewish writers, who were concerned with the 'Jewish' part of the vauned 'Jewish life' (ie, not so much with 'life'), only those who specialize in Jewish studies read them, and even then it is but a cursory reading for most who are not scholars. A few excerpts make their way into a High School text here and there, but those are quickly forgotten, submerged in a much larger pool where it is the tweets from the likes of Zuckerberg that are considered "essential readings".

    Worse yet, Ellis' visions of the prophetic, as opposed to the exilic, as values to live by, are also doomed to the book shelves of the few studious one who still have books.

    Unfortunately for the Jews of the world, their tradition of the Jewish, something many sought to equate with the universal and the humanistic, have fallen into disrepute. Indeed, with the spectre of the evil ultra-racist, bigotted and rudeness exporting israel looming above everything else, those few good books stand as sad witnesses to the decline and corruption of Judaism itself. Not just as a religion, but as a way of life - now equated mostly with oppression, authoritarianism, ethnic supremacy and nastiness towards one's fellow humans.

    In one of the great ironies of history, Israel which sought to be seen as a "light unto the nations" has become equated with a "blight upon [western] civilization". That is not only a tragedy but is a fabulous fable about arrogance and its spiritual demise.


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  • Maghlawatan Maghlawatan, September 22, 2018, 5:45 AM

    The man’s too strong

    https://youtu.be/BOrXTZyXWLg


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  • Maghlawatan Maghlawatan, September 22, 2018, 5:43 AM

    Antisemitism has been drained of meaning due to overuse


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  • Kay24 Kay24, September 22, 2018, 5:31 AM

    Anyone being killed for no valid reason is wrong, but Israel cannot keep the occupation and brutality going, collective punish Palestinians, and make them suffer, and not expect anger and a backlash. There are thousands of angry kids desperate to live normal lives among the occupied.

    Here is some positive action by Spain, who wants to recognize Palestine as a state:

    https://www.juancole.com/2018/09/recognize-palestinian-acceptance.html


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  • Emet Emet, September 22, 2018, 5:07 AM

    Let's call Al Aqsa by it's original name, the name used before the Islamic settlers came to town and illegally took over. Yes, the name was and still is, "The Temple Mount". It just happens to still be the holiest site for Jews. Of course it is holy to Muslims, now. It was holy to the Jewish people long before it was anything else to the Muslims.


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  • wdr wdr, September 22, 2018, 3:28 AM

    I think that this largely very accurate analysis misses the main point, that anti-semitism once came from the racialist far right, and now comes overwhelmingly from the anti-Zionist far left and their Arab supporters- as this website obviously shows on a daily basis- while Israel has become something like the homeland of the mind to many conservatives around the world, as Mr Jetter says. This reversal of anti-semitism was predicted by Herzl and other early Zionists, once the Jews established a normal state with a normal social structure, and were no longer perceived by conservatives as stateless parasites, exploiters, and subversives.


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  • Talkback Talkback, September 22, 2018, 3:05 AM

    Nathan: "We hear in this article, for example, that Abu Shakdim presents the Oslo Accords as “a decision made by a few members of the Palestinian elite” that did not represent the desires of the Palestinian people. Here’s the “latest news”: The United Nations General Assembly recognized the PLO as the “representative of the Palestinian people” in Resolution 3210 (Oct 1974) and Resolution 3236 (Nov 1974)."

    One doesn't exclude the other.

    Nathan: "The PLO recognized Israel."

    Yep, that is more than Israel recognized in return.

    Nathan: "The recognition of Israel – even if it was absolutely insincere – left the anti-Israel world totally baffled."

    Two unfounded claims.

    Nathan: "It's really interesting to note that there is hardly a word of criticism in Palestinian society about the rejection of the 1947 Partition Plan which led to war and utter defeat."

    Why should the people OF a country critisize the rejection of a partition reccommendation for their country on behalf of terrorist colonials who infiltrated their country without their consent under a de facto occupation? Because the terrorist colonials are Jewish? Why don't you critisize the settler colonialization of a country and the full scale war and expulsion to take it over? Because those who did it were Jewish?

    Again and again you miserably fail at formulating a single universal principle that would legitimate the statehood of Jewish settler colonialization.

    Nathan: "Both cases are about having a negotiated solution of the conflict. A negotiated solution of the conflict means a "defeat in ideology" from the Palestinian point of view. Even in a one-state solution, the Palestinians will have to accept the legitimacy of the Jewish community. Don't worry. It's not going to happen. There won't even be negotiations."

    ROFL. The only party in this conflict who proposed in 1947 a secular democratic one state solution with majority ruling, minority rights and without needing to expell anyone was the Palestinian Arab side an the surrounding Arab states. The pseudo traveller David Gruen (who illegaly overstayed in the Ottoman Empire after his visa ran out) proposed to put Palestine under Jewish mandate with UN supervision and release it only into indepence after a Jewish majority was achieved. And when asked what he would do, if the Nonjewish majority would't accept his plan he simply said that if it was excepted by the UN he had the right to enforce it through violence. So what has been different in Palestine since the Zionist Biltmore Program of 1942. Who's ideology would be really defeated if a two-state-solution would be negotiated or a one-state-solution that restores all Palestinian rights, including the refugee's?

    Nathan: "Moreover, what would be the point of negotiating?"

    Exactly. What would be the point of negotiating, if the demand of one side is to eternalize and legitimize the violation of the international and human rights of the other.

    Nathan: "Here's a little lesson in Arabic. "Salaam" is based on the root which means "surrender" or "submission" (just as in "Islam"). The word is translated into English as "peace" for lack of a better term. Obviously, the word is similar to the Hebrew "shalom" - but in Hebrew, "shalom" is based on the root that means "perfect" or "complete". In other words, it's a positive concept, as is "peace" in English. In Arabic, you make "salaam" because you have no choice. It's being forced upon you, because you're not stronger than your enemy. The Palestinians want victory, not "salaam". So, there won't be a two-state solution or a one-state solution. There won't be a solution at all. They envision an ultimate victory in the undefined distant future, and it can be reached only if the conflict remains unresolved."

    Thank you for your little racist and imbecile word twisting. But outside of your Kahane continuum things are different.

    "Salaam" is obviously based on the SAME root as "Shalom" which is "S-L-M" and which means "whole, safe, intact, unharmed, to go free, without blemish" and derived from it "to be safe, secure, at peace", hence "well-being, health" and passively "to be secured, pacified, submitted". The greeting is "peace upon you", not "submission/surrendering upon you". The world "Islam" is based on the same root and in a RELIGIOUS context means "surrendering one's will to God" (not to Jews and this version of surrendering: https://mondoweiss.net/2017/09/rightist-smotrich-apartheid/) which is the total opposite to the meaning of the word "Israel" which is often interpreted as "struggle with God". Now what peaceful attitude do you conclude from the latter?


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  • Jonathan Ofir Jonathan Ofir, September 22, 2018, 2:35 AM

    Wondering jew, here's a heavy critique of the "Oslo Diaries": https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/diaries-telling-story-tel-aviv-oslo-180912175742258.html


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  • Hostage Hostage, September 22, 2018, 1:17 AM

    Keith: And who could be more objective and unbiased than a former career militarist?

    Nice try, but the typical professional "military" community is comprised of a sizable percentage of non-militarist-types, e.g. health care providers, lawyers, chaplains, civil engineers, technologists, and public administrators that look after law enforcement or morale, welfare, and recreation. After several tours of duty on Major Command Inspector General staffs, you may have noticed, I tend to favor facts, documentary evidence, and legal proof.

    So, I don't automatically trust anyone in government or anyone in the Trump or Clinton camps. I already explained in my comments on Don's Russiagate "Ghoststory" article that I think there is more than a grain of truth in the allegations about Russian election interference and Trump campaign collusion. I attribute most of the initial "hysteria" in the media to a conscious effort to change the story and distract attention away from the embarrassing revelations contained in the hacked DNC emails. After all, they outlined some serious wrongdoing by the Clinton campaign and DNC leadership in their efforts to finance and covertly rig the Clinton nomination.

    FYI, during most of my military career, I carried an ACLU membership card in my wallet, right next to my Air Force ID card. I've long since lost count of the times that I've chipped-in to help underwrite the costs of lawsuits against the President, the Department of Defense, the Department of State, the Department of Justice, Department of Homeland Security, and etc. Anyone familiar with my comments here at Mondoweiss, at Opinio Juris, or the European Journal of International Law should realize by now, that I've made extensive use of court records, the US Code, official government documents (many obtained via FOIA lawsuits) and official declassified archives to either reveal government wrongdoing or debunk and discredit false official statements (made by both Republican and Democrat administrations) on a variety of subjects.

    Keith: The Clinton campaign hired Fusion GPS to dig up dirt on Trump and that is what Steele provided, relying on hearsay and innuendo. This is McCarthyism on steroids. ... If you have to point a finger at someone, forget Putin and look at Robert Mercer ... This is what real capitalism looks like. ... not Putin. In fact, Putin has been the target of CIA/Soros hostility since at least 2014 when he was singled out for stopping the rape of Russia by the US under Yeltsin.

    Putin, his family, and his inner circle appear to be some of the most successful capitalists in the world. They literally climbed over a pile of corpses while "raping" the Russian economy back in the 1990s. The guy has a personal fortune that's conservatively estimated @ 70 billion dollars. He has 20 palaces, a fleet of 58 airplanes,and 4 yachts. See for example: "No one knows Putin's exact net worth, but many speculate he's the wealthiest person on the planet — his $1 billion palace and $500 million yacht explain why" https://goo.gl/f78wv8

    The "Panama Papers" revealed $2 billion dollars worth of illicit Putin-related transactions that were conducted through a single off-shore law firm. See Revealed: the $2bn offshore trail that leads to Vladimir Putin https://goo.gl/ezqBPj Deutsche Bank was fined $630 million for a $10 billion dollar Russian mirror trading/money laundering scheme. Igor Putin, the President’s cousin, sat on the boards of two of the Russian banks which employed the laundering scheme, R.Z.B. and Promsberbank. https://goo.gl/ZGypaQ

    The Russian connections of Robert Mercer's Cambridge Analytica, and its role in the Trump and Brexit campaigns, have been the subject of investigations in the both the UK and the USA. Mercer's and Bannon's activities in support anti-immigrant, anti-EU, and/or anti-NATO political movements are in perfect alignment with Putin's goals.

    FYI, there are more than a few observers who have concluded that the reason so many financial experts can't explain the perpetual 70% annual return on investment from Mercer's Millennium hedge fund is because it's (yet another) front for a successful Putin money laundering operation. See for example: Robert Mercer — Money Launderer for Vladimir Putin https://goo.gl/KRYhDY

    I'll cut this off here and address some of your other comments in separate posts.


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  • Boris Boris, September 22, 2018, 1:12 AM

    Ari Fuld was killed while shopping.

    All your Arab friends were killed while attacking Israelis or engaging in some other terrorist activity.

    If you don't understand the difference, then the words are useless.


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  • Maghlawatan Maghlawatan, September 22, 2018, 12:26 AM

    « Ari Fuld, whom Lerner describes as “a passionate Israel advocate who believed in the historic Jewish right to live in our ancestors’ true homeland”. Lerner was even more directly admonishing. The title of his piece was “If You Can’t Mourn Ari Fuld, You Are An Accomplice In His Murder”. Lerner made the same point as Danzig, about mentioning the “settler”: »

    There are no settlers in the ancestral homeland and Gush Etzion is no different to Tel Aviv and the Palestinians are untouchables. In Hebrew.
    Zionism doesn’t mind Jews dying because it bolsters the narrative. In Hebrew. I think Catalan said Israel is in control. Nobody is in control.


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  • chocopie chocopie, September 21, 2018, 10:10 PM

    I hadn't even heard about the murders of those six Palestinian men. Imagine, six people wiped out with barely any public notice or accountability, one of them roused from his bed to be beaten to death, others killed seemingly at random, with no concern for the value of their lives. And all those people who killed them walking around free with no repercussions, killers on the loose, free to do it again.


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  • RoHa RoHa, September 21, 2018, 9:47 PM

    Trump doesn't look Manchurian. More like an Oompa-Loompa candidate.

    But if he really was put there by the Kremlin, Putin should send him back to Manchuria and ask for a refund. Trump hasn't pulled US forces from Syria, hasn't dumped NATO, hasn't lifted sanctions or improved relations with Russia. He hasn't done any of the things we would expect a good Russian agent to do.

    Of course, this might be part of some fiendish, unimaginably cunning, Russian plan, but, on the face of it, it looks as though Trump is following Washington's orders rather than Moscow's.


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  • oldgeezer oldgeezer, September 21, 2018, 9:14 PM

    I'm sorry for his loved ones and family. I feel no sorrow for his death. He was part of the machinery and crime of oppression. Thankfully he was removed from the equation.


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  • wondering jew wondering jew, September 21, 2018, 9:12 PM

    It is a troubling thought that my general attitude seems closer to J. Ofir than it is to Peter Lerner's. I wouldn't have commented here just to mention that, but I personally know Ari Fuld's family, specifically his father, who comes from the same neighborhood in Queens, New York, where my parents moved to in my teenage years. The last time a victim of the bloodshed of the conflict was someone I knew was Dr. David Applebaum who was murdered in 2003 in Jerusalem by Hamas on the eve of his daughter's wedding (together with his daughter). Not that such personal knowledge of the victims lends greater credence to my reaction. But there is in fact a certain intangible poignancy when such familiarity exists. I wish the bloodshed would cease and peace could be found between the Palestinians and the Zionist Jews (or the Yehudi people, as I might put it, in another mood.) There is little reason for optimism, but the filmmakers of the documentary "The Oslo Diaries", have not lost hope, so neither should I. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-there-are-apparently-people-on-the-other-side-to-talk-to-1.6473201


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  • RoHa RoHa, September 21, 2018, 8:59 PM

    "Didn’t they tell you about in school, when you were growing up?"

    Two unwarranted assumptions there, Mooser.


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  • RoHa RoHa, September 21, 2018, 8:49 PM

    The conflict between "toe the line" (correct) and "tow the line" (wrong!) has been resolved by a compromise. We now have "towe the line".

    Is this a model for the resolution of other conflicts?


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  • eljay eljay, September 21, 2018, 8:17 PM

    || @Daa: Just the byline alone was enough to know that feckless mondoweiss owner PW is off on another escapade of trying to explain what people who lost entire extended families or saw these members starved shot and raped before their eye were thinking in their heart of hearts and what their "one" desire was (were they to even survive that was) ... ||

    It doesn't matter what Phil thinks or doesn't think, and it makes no difference if you're pretending to get revenge on Nazis or engaging in colonialism, supremacism and (war) crimes against non-Jews in geographic Palestine just for the hell of it. The past and on-going actions of hateful and immoral Jewish supremacists (Zionists) like you tell it exactly the way it is.

    But I'm sure if you shout "anti-Semitism" or maybe even "Jasenovac" and "@ustashi" loud enough it'll magically transform into virtue the evil you consistently advocate, engage in, support, justify and/or defend.


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  • Keith Keith, September 21, 2018, 8:05 PM

    BORIS- "They will always find an excuse to hate us and blame for their failures."

    Yes, we non-Jews are all alike and I suspect that you behave accordingly.


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  • Boomer Boomer, September 21, 2018, 8:04 PM

    What a powerful, heartfelt essay Phil. There's not much that I--an outsider--can say about it. Except that I hope with time a younger generation can find a way to move on. It reminded me of a passage in "From Beirut to Jerusalem" that I've mentioned before. I read that book many years ago, but one scene in particular has stuck with me. In it, Friedman tells of a conversation with his grocer, an elderly man called Sasson.

    "Everything Sasson had learned, smelled, and touched his whole life had led him to the conviction that the Arabs would never willingly accept a Jewish state in their midst, and that any concessions to the Palestinians would eventually be used to destroy Israel, piece by piece. . . . Deep down, Sasson knows what he took from the Palestinians, and he knows that the Palestinians know what he took."

    In WWII the Allies and the Axis did terrible things to each other. Now Germany and Japan, the U.S. and the UK are allies. We have moved on. So too with America and Vietnam. Whether something similar is possible in the Middle East, I don't know. Perhaps it will happen someday; I don't expect to live long enough to see it. There are many man-made, unnecessary, tragic problems in the world today. America has been part of the problem in some of them. As an American, I'd like to see us do more to help the people being hurt those situations.


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  • Keith Keith, September 21, 2018, 7:27 PM

    HOSTAGE- " The only thing that stikes me as particularly “dodgy” about the so-called “Steele dossier” is (1) the fact that anyone is still hiring unlicensed private investigators billing themselves as “Business Intelligence” firms in this day and age...."

    The Steele dossier is "dodgy" because it is unverifiable hearsay and innuendo. In other words, obvious propaganda designed to demonize Russia and, in particular, Putin for geostrategic reasons. The empire is on a warmongering rampage and is engaged in vicious propaganda against all official enemies, Russia, China and Iran heading the list. The Democrats have morphed into the party of neoliberal, warmongering Zionist neocons. This whole business is less about Trump than about demonizing Putin. Some quotes and links.

    "I am, however, a former intelligence officer and I have long since concluded that what Steele served up is garbage." (Ray McGovern) https://consortiumnews.com/2018/03/07/progressive-journalists-jump-the-shark-on-russiagate/

    "The PDF file of the 30-page typewritten report alleges that high Kremlin officials colluded with Trump, offered him multi-billion dollar bribes, and accumulated compromising evidence of Trump’s sexual escapades in Russia. That the dossier comes from former British intelligence officers appears, at first glance, to give it weight especially with Orbis’ claim of a “global network.” The U.S. intelligence community purportedly has examined the allegations but have not confirmed any of them. We can wait till hell freezes over. The material is not verifiable.

    President-elect Trump has dismissed the dossier’s contents as false as has the Kremlin. Trump is right: The Orbis dossier is fake news." (Paul Roderick Gregory) https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2017/01/13/the-trump-dossier-is-false-news-and-heres-why/#bdd570568674

    "Another arrow in the Russophobia quiver was a private intelligence “dossier” compiled by Christopher Steele, a former British intelligence agent working for Orbis Business Intelligence, a private firm hired by the DNC to dig up dirt on Trump. Steele’s first report, delivered in June 2016, made numerous serious accusations against Trump, most notably that Trump had been caught in a sexual escapade in Moscow, that his political advance had been supported by the Kremlin for at least five years, under Putin’s direction, in order to sow discord within the U.S. political establishment and disrupt the Western alliance. This document was based on alleged conversations by Steele with distant (Russian) officials: that is, strictly on hearsay evidence, whose assertions, where verifiable, are sometimes erroneous.26 But it said just what the Democrats, the mainstream media, and the CIA wanted to hear, and intelligence officials accordingly declared the author “credible,” and the media lapped it up. The Times hedged somewhat on its own cooperation in this tawdry campaign by calling the report “unverified,” but nevertheless reported its claims." (Edward S. Herman) https://monthlyreview.org/2017/07/01/fake-news-on-russia-and-other-official-enemies/


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  • Keith Keith, September 21, 2018, 6:07 PM

    HOSTAGE- "FYI, I read thousands of raw intelligence reports during my career in the military. So this sort of thing “is not my first rodeo”.

    And who could be more objective and unbiased than a former career militarist? The Clinton campaign hired Fusion GPS to dig up dirt on Trump and that is what Steele provided, relying on hearsay and innuendo. This is McCarthyism on steroids. The notion that Russia could put a Manchurian Candidate in the White House on the cheap is preposterous, an insult to the intelligence. It takes big bucks to get elected President, how much did the Russians spend on Trump?

    If you have to point a finger at someone, forget Putin and look at Robert Mercer, the right-wing billionaire hedge fund manager who rescued the Trump campaign when it appeared to be failing badly. This is what real capitalism looks like. It is the corporations and the fat-cats like Adelson and Mercer who call the shots, not Putin. In fact, Putin has been the target of CIA/Soros hostility since at least 2014 when he was singled out for stopping the rape of Russia by the US under Yeltsin. I provide a link to a "Real News" documentary on the Trump/Mercer connection. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQUkaEVe7II


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  • DaBakr DaBakr, September 21, 2018, 5:52 PM

    Just the byline alone was enough to know that feckless mondoweiss owner PW is off on another escapade of trying to explain what people who lost entire extended families or saw these members starved shot and raped before their eye were thinking in their heart of hearts and what their "one" desire was (were they to even survive that was)

    While I have respect for a few commenters here and an editor or two it seems obvious that PW is becoming more and more unhinged. It's one thing that he obsesses over the jewish lobby but now he is claiming to know what motivates Jews surviving either Warsaw or the camps or hiding. I'm not going to deny that plenty of survivors wanted revenge or at least vengeance against specific or general enemies that killed them but it is patently absurd to claim they then directed this same lust for vengeance onto the Arabs living in their midst as they were for a hundred years earlier and much longer then that.
    . Also, if pw wants to discuss vengeance over the middle east he might want to look up translations of Arabic scholarly, political and journalistic articles expressing the great desire within the Arab heart to purge all zionists from all of Israel and (supposedly) allow only non Zionist Jews to live as a protected minority. But, in the takes they openly tell of when they will eventually 'take back' tel Aviv, Golan, the Negev...... Nahhh. Couldn't be. Arabs are too damn peaceful. The whole region wood be at peace by now....


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  • Talkback Talkback, September 21, 2018, 4:19 PM

    Mooser, the bad treatment of Jews didn't start with mass murdering them. It started much earlier.


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  • pjdude pjdude, September 21, 2018, 4:14 PM

    @boris. well that is a flat out lie. Israel wants to annihilate the palestinian people. they have undergone a systemic policy of trying to break the cultural links of the people and erase them from history. and none of Israels miltary actions have been defensive. 48 was a war of conquest so 67 where they were the agressors both times. their other military actions are not to defend but to punish and degrade the peoples around them.


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  • Nathan Nathan, September 21, 2018, 4:09 PM

    Come on, Mondoweiss. It is allowed to ask tough questions, even if those being interviewed are anti-Israel people. We hear in this article, for example, that Abu Shakdim presents the Oslo Accords as “a decision made by a few members of the Palestinian elite” that did not represent the desires of the Palestinian people. Here's the "latest news": The United Nations General Assembly recognized the PLO as the "representative of the Palestinian people" in Resolution 3210 (Oct 1974) and Resolution 3236 (Nov 1974).

    It could be that the two young people being interviewed here don't know the history of the conflict, but I would hope that the one writing down their opinions has some familiarity with the ongoing saga. When someone says that those negotiating for the Palestinians at Oslo "did not represent the desires of the Palestinian people", all the fuses are supposed to go "pop" and darkness descends upon us all. How can it be that no one at Mondoweiss saw fit to correct the youngsters? On the spot, there should have been a scream heard around the world: "The PLO was considered to be the sole, legitimate representative of the Palestinian people. Obviously, the PLO had the authority to negotiate with Israel and to sign the Oslo Agreement".

    The most common example of Palestinian criticism of Palestinian policy is the debate over the Oslo Agreement. The reason is obvious: The PLO recognized Israel. The recognition of Israel - even if it was absolutely insincere - left the anti-Israel world totally baffled. It's really interesting to note that there is hardly a word of criticism in Palestinian society about the rejection of the 1947 Partition Plan which led to war and utter defeat. "Defeated in war" seems to be preferable over "defeat in ideology" (i.e. having to accept Israel through an agreement).

    Everyone seems to be in favor of the one-state solution. However, there is no difference between the one-state solution and the two-state solution. Both cases are about having a negotiated solution of the conflict. A negotiated solution of the conflict means a "defeat in ideology" from the Palestinian point of view. Even in a one-state solution, the Palestinians will have to accept the legitimacy of the Jewish community. Don't worry. It's not going to happen. There won't even be negotiations.

    Moreover, what would be the point of negotiating? After the Palestinian side to the negotiations reaches an agreement with the Jewish side, we'll read yet another Mondoweiss article in which we'll find out that the those negotiating for the Palestinians "did not represent the desires of the Palestinian people" and that "they sold out the Palestinian people" and the rest of the bla-bla-bla.

    Here's a little lesson in Arabic. "Salaam" is based on the root which means "surrender" or "submission" (just as in "Islam"). The word is translated into English as "peace" for lack of a better term. Obviously, the word is similar to the Hebrew "shalom" - but in Hebrew, "shalom" is based on the root that means "perfect" or "complete". In other words, it's a positive concept, as is "peace" in English. In Arabic, you make "salaam" because you have no choice. It's being forced upon you, because you're not stronger than your enemy. The Palestinians want victory, not "salaam". So, there won't be a two-state solution or a one-state solution. There won't be a solution at all. They envision an ultimate victory in the undefined distant future, and it can be reached only if the conflict remains unresolved.


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  • amigo amigo, September 21, 2018, 4:08 PM

    Boris . Examples please.


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  • Hostage Hostage, September 21, 2018, 3:58 PM

    Keith: The same Fusion GPS that hired Christopher Steele to produced the dodgy Steele dossier alleging potential Trump/Russia collusion? ... Fusion GPS was working FOR Russia? Are you serious?

    I'm no Mooser. I do have occasional outbursts of dry humor. But other than that, I'm almost always serious.

    FYI, ever since Senator Diane Feinstein unilaterally released the Judiciary Committee testimony of Fusion GPS co-founder Glen Simpson last January, it's been a matter of public record that he had hired Ed Baumgartner, the co-founder of (yet another) London, UK business intelligence company, "Edward Austin". Baumgartner, who is fluent in Russian, specialized in matters related to Russia-Ukraine and worked on both of the now-infamous Fusion GPS Trump/Clinton Foundation dossiers. He was initially hired by Fusion to serve as "an interface" with Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya, who speaks very little English. She, and the US legal firm representing Prevezon, had hired Fusion GPS to assist them in the matter of a pending "Magnitsky Act" asset forfeiture case in the Southern District of New York. Prevezon is owned by Denis Katsyv, a Russian-Israeli businessman based in Moscow. See for example: Meet the Russia specialist who worked on 2 of Fusion GPS' most controversial projects https://www.businessinsider.com/ed-baumgartner-fusion-gps-christopher-steele-russia-projects-2018-1

    FYI, I read thousands of raw intelligence reports during my career in the military. So this sort of thing "is not my first rodeo". The only thing that stikes me as particularly "dodgy" about the so-called "Steele dossier" is (1) the fact that anyone is still hiring unlicensed private investigators billing themselves as "Business Intelligence" firms in this day and age (think about the various "Murdoch family News International", Hewlett Packard, and Anti-Defamation League spying scandals); (2) What were the real underlying motivations of so many high ranking Russian officials - serving in the Foreign Ministry, Intelligence Service, the State Duma, and the Presidential Administration - to "stovepipe" their stories to the opposing Presidential Candidates and "spill the beans" about so many top secret details of the Russian government's efforts to groom and recruit Donald Trump and meddle in the US election on his behalf? FYI, Any time a high ranking Russian government official reveals something of enormous intelligence value to an outside investigator, there is always the very real possibility that outsider is being used. It's very likely the Russians had ulterior motives, which are unrelated to the original intent or desires of the Republicans, Democrats, or western press organizations who funded the investigation.


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  • Mooser Mooser, September 21, 2018, 3:40 PM

    "From now on, two types of blood exist in Israel: Jewish blood and non-Jewish blood, on the law books as well."

    And it's not as if these two blood types cannot be easily told apart with simple genetic tests. The Jewish blood can be instantly recognized by the predominance of Eastern European, Mediterranean and Turkic genetic markers.
    Thus bearing out the Jewish right to Palestine!


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  • Mooser Mooser, September 21, 2018, 3:25 PM

    "Well, Jews did not attack Germans, did not blow up restaurants, churches and buses. They did not kidnap and murder German kids."

    Don't sell us short, "Boris"! We Jews were a pretty big deal in the Socialist and even Communist revolutionary movements in Europe.
    People admired our commitment to overthrowing the established aristocracies and liberating the proletariat.
    Didn't they tell you about in school, when you were growing up?


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  • eljay eljay, September 21, 2018, 3:22 PM

    || @aak: @ej

    Your core tenets. ... ||

    No, their your tenets and those of your Zionist brothers-in-supremacism.

    || ... But while you surely find it completly irrelevant what the land mass size in in the context of ethno-religious balance, ie, the fact Muslim Arab block occupies approx 95% of me while Israel, a multi cultural society occupies less then 2%. ... ||

    Irrelevant to catalan's original point or to my rebuttal of it.

    || ... But your not a pragmatist in a very pragmatic world. wether the few bad acts of zionist jews pale in comparison to the world at large. That doesn’t justify anything zionists might do wrong. ... ||

    Zionists can make mistakes - everyone does. But not everyone deliberately and unapologetically does evil. Zionists do.

    || ... Zionism is your pet issue ... ||

    Yours, too.

    || ... blahblahblah ... ANYTHING! ||

    If you say so.


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  • Mooser Mooser, September 21, 2018, 3:16 PM

    "An Israeli soldier.../...one state or two."

    OMFin'G!! That's right, remind the Palestinians to be merciful and fair with the poor Israelis they are oppressing.

    "until they learn how to take it. Study American..."

    Unbelievable.


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  • Mooser Mooser, September 21, 2018, 2:59 PM

    "The problem is that some Jews – like you – believe their bs."

    "Boris", all that "self-hatred" and "internalized antisemitism" nonsense is a very bad tactic to use on American Jews. Immediately self-defeating. It'll get you nothing except FU's and empty Blue Boxes.
    Why don't you try another tactic, another strategy?


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  • Maximus Decimus Meridius Maximus Decimus Meridius, September 21, 2018, 2:24 PM

    Finkelstein's sparring partner, the late Peter Novick, said the same thing. During the war itself - when the oppression of Jews under Naziism was well-known, even if the magnitude of the holocaust was not - most American Jews weren't as concerned as you might assume. In the 1950s, the holocaust was barely mentioned. It was only when Israel became a major military power that the holocaust started becoming the defining feature of American Jewry.


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  • Keith Keith, September 21, 2018, 2:21 PM

    SIBIRIAK- "But if “the US” refers to the hegemonic power run by a tiny power-hunger greedy elite that leads the global capitalist/militarist system, then you haven’t even begun to make your case."

    Indeed, the imperial 1% implement or cause to be implemented policies which benefit the imperial 1%, frequently to the detriment of the 99%. Trying to evaluate how imperial policies benefit a particular segment of the 1% versus how it impacts other segments of the 1% can become a tricky business, particularly now that Jewish Zionist elites comprise a significant part of the imperial elite. Furthermore, thanks to the power of the Lobby writ large, Israel has become an integral part empire rather than a vassal state.


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  • Maximus Decimus Meridius Maximus Decimus Meridius, September 21, 2018, 2:17 PM

    Thanks for the recommendation - I'll look out for it.

    "Original sins by Beit Hallahmi looks at other political situations involving influential merchant minorities – Chinese in Indonesia, Lebanese in West Africa – and finds similar episodes of occasional violence. This tends to be outweighed by the good years."

    Amy Chua (who went on to write the silly 'Tiger Moms' book) wrote a book called 'World on Fire' in 2003 which had a similar theme - while we tend to think of minorities as being less priviliged, very often, at least outside of the Western world, the opposite is true. I believe Russian Jews were one of the minorities she discussed.


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  • tommy tommy, September 21, 2018, 2:12 PM

    Sirhan Sirhan experienced the Warsaw Ghetto rage, and acted accordingly.


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  • catalan catalan, September 21, 2018, 1:37 PM

    “So, what are you waiting for, “catalan”? Stop whining and playing the victim, and we’ll all be better off.” Mooser
    I am emphatically not a victim in any sense. I have a great life and as you know a good position both professionally and financially. The victims are the Palestinians and particularly those in Gaza under the rule of Hamas. In a sense you are a victim too because you are on the losing side of this conflict. I think that’s actually fair as you are motivated by hatred and such is the destiny of those. I only have love on the other hand. Look at this conversation - I am politely sharing my opinion while you are insulting, bullying mocking and generally hating. So it’s only fair that you are in a bad place.


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  • oldgeezer oldgeezer, September 21, 2018, 1:22 PM

    @DaBakr

    "like Canada .... also claim superior qualities for living moral lives."

    Ummm I've never heard such a claim made. I'd laugh until I cried if I did.


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  • Boris Boris, September 21, 2018, 1:19 PM

    Yes, Phil.

    They will always find an excuse to hate us and blame for their failures.

    The problem is that some Jews - like you - believe their bs.


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  • Ossinev Ossinev, September 21, 2018, 1:10 PM

    @Catalan
    Would you believe it I found another 2 articles saying that Hezbollah won the 2006 war.
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-lebanon/israel-cant-defeat-hezbollah-israeli-expert-idUSTRE6BF20L20101216

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium.MAGAZINE-israels-second-lebanon-war-remains-a-resounding-failure-1.5407519

    And as an added bonus a quote from that all time great Israel Firster in the US Henry Kissinger :

    “The conventional army loses if it does not win. The guerrilla wins if he does not lose.”
    https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Henry_Kissinger

    So leading on from that please feel free to submit your references/quotes stating that Israel won the 2006 war.

    I do not find the situation in the Middle East funny. Your infantile comments ref BDS on the other hand do suggest that you do. I find it grotesque. I do not find it in the least bit funny that innocent men women and children are being brutalised and murdered by a horde of deluded foreign Fascists who have stolen their land.

    "to the point of making fun of accents (not mine, I am Bulgarian)" WTF are you talking about ? ?

    " Israel just has its tanks and moves along. The dog barks, the caravan goes on. As to BDS, we all tremble at thr boycott of Dr Pepper. I see people at Taco Bell all the time not choosing to buy a soda but getting water instead"

    The above definitely sounds like rambling nonsensical verbiage to me. It is most certainly not a structured argument against any online argument with which you disagree.

    If you don`t like what you describe as "verbiage and drama" then why not just go to another site. No one is forcing you to stay and read.

    Goodbye (hopefully)


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  • Edward Q Edward Q, September 21, 2018, 1:05 PM

    This is not the conclusion Norman Finkelstein reached about the role of the holocaust in Zionism. According to him, it was the 1967 victory that galvanized the Jewish community behind Israel. The holocaust did not become a big issue until many years after WWII.


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  • Kay24 Kay24, September 21, 2018, 12:59 PM

    Good point. They are such hypocrites. We have to wonder if they think the world is full of fools and do not know their crimes against helpless civilians, or whether they simply do not care that the majority of the world knows what goes on, and simply try to dupe the American people.


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  • Maximus Decimus Meridius Maximus Decimus Meridius, September 21, 2018, 12:54 PM

    "Rubbish. Their first target was not Palestine, but the US. Guess what the Zionist lobby did in the US to prevent that from happening."

    Exactly. Given a choice, Jews rarely choose to go to Israel. Those who do are increasingly right-wing fanatics. All those Soviet Jews who immigrated to Isreal would have much preferred to live in the US or Western Europe, but visas were hard to come by. The largest group of immigrants to Israel now are Ukranian Jews, fleeing the conflict there. If they could get visas for a Western country, you can be certain the vast majority would choose that rather than a dump like Israel.


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  • Maximus Decimus Meridius Maximus Decimus Meridius, September 21, 2018, 12:49 PM

    " But if “the US” refers to the hegemonic power run by a tiny power-hunger greedy elite that leads the global capitalist/militarist system, then you haven’t even begun to make your case."

    As opposed to yourself, whose 'case' appears to exist of a few cut and pastes?

    Put it this way: If the benefits of blind support for Israel are so very obvious, why the need for a highly funded lobby group which seeks to bully and intimidate all who don't towe the line?


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  • Mooser Mooser, September 21, 2018, 12:43 PM

    "The bad treatment of Jews didn’t start with gassing them"

    IIRC, the majority fell before the machine guns of the Einsatzgruppen, and in the work camps. All conditions Israel is well able to emulate without building gas chambers.


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  • Mooser Mooser, September 21, 2018, 12:38 PM

    "Vengeance for what ?"

    As the Nazis posited the issues: For the "stab-in-the-back" which caused Germany to lose WW1, and Jewish involvement in the German revolutions and socialism. And Communism! For a start.


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  • DaBakr DaBakr, September 21, 2018, 12:36 PM

    @ej

    Your core tenets. Fine. But while you surely find it completly irrelevant what the land mass size in in the context of ethno-religious balance, ie, the fact Muslim Arab block occupies approx 95% of me while Israel, a multi cultural society occupies less then 2%. I understand that as far as the rights of non Israeli arabs you don't care wether is a square inch or a thousand square kms. And that is consistent. But your not a pragmatist in a very pragmatic world. wether the few bad acts of zionist jews pale in comparison to the world at large. That doesn't justify anything zionists might do wrong. Zionism is your pet issue and is as legitimate as any cause or hobby.
    But, in the scheme of things, is minor (were it not for the vast control those elders have over world press and affairs). you would agree, I assume, that ethnic tribes in Africa are not entitled to force other ethnic tribes from former lands. It sucks but what can the world at large do?
    Focus on Jews and Zionism is fair only because very few Jews and many note that read or heard them were told Israel is a morally superior nation. (Of course with jews having a national home not many would have assumed that just like other proud citizens of countries like Canada, Japan the US also claim superior qualities for living moral lives.) And not many would focus on the thousands, now millions, of non jewish citizens who were, if not immediately embraced, we're given legal, civil and social religious rights. So, Israel is an illegal nation and is claiming it has the legal right to "do anything it wants." ANYTHING!


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  • Mooser Mooser, September 21, 2018, 12:24 PM

    "Ok, Boris, it’s one thing not to tell the truth, but do you actually believe your nonsense, too?"

    After what Zionism did for "Boris", he believes it can do anything!


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  • Talkback Talkback, September 21, 2018, 12:20 PM

    Maghlawatan: "Israel wouldn’t dare go toe to toe with France or the UK."

    Why would it? France and UK, too, are fighting Israel's war in the Middle East aka "The War against Terror".


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  • Mooser Mooser, September 21, 2018, 12:12 PM

    “Big Ears..."

    That's funny. When I was a kid, the size and perpendicularity of my audio extremities was often commented upon by those who comment on such things.


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  • Maghlawatan Maghlawatan, September 21, 2018, 12:07 PM

    Nathan

    International law and the laws of war are commonly accepted guides to what is not right and Israel ignores them systematically.


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  • Mooser Mooser, September 21, 2018, 12:01 PM

    "Well I think that Jews have taken these accusations to heart and indeed do not want to whine and be victims anymore."

    So, what are you waiting for, "catalan"? Stop whining and playing the victim, and we'll all be better off.


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  • DaBakr DaBakr, September 21, 2018, 11:56 AM

    @sc

    To think how many'esteemed' members of the UN could fit well within you "view of world order". That you focus on Israel is one thing and your prerogative. You might consider how ridiculous, patronizing and insulting you would sound were you to preach this to dozens of other nations, powerful and not so powerful.


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  • Mooser Mooser, September 21, 2018, 11:56 AM

    "Israel just has its tanks and moves along."

    You always sound like a fellow who is looking for the perfect place to abscond to. Trying to convince yourself that you'll beyond reach of extradition in Israel.


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  • bcg bcg, September 21, 2018, 11:48 AM

    "Who wants to hear about the deaths of Muhammad Zaghloul al-Khatib al-Rimawi, Muhammad Yousif Alayan, Muhammad Ahmad Abu Naji, Ahmad Muhammad Muhsin Omar, Naji Jamil Abu Assi and Alaa Ziyad Abu Assi? Nah, Ari Fuld, that’s the news."

    Jonathan, you don't understand - Jewish blood is worth more than Palestinian blood.
    Gideon Levy in Haaretz - "Now Israel Has A Race Law":

    ...it is a real race law, according to the unavoidable interpretation of the court of the nation-state law. From now on, two types of blood exist in Israel: Jewish blood and non-Jewish blood, on the law books as well. The price of these two types of blood is also different. Jewish blood is priceless, it must be protected in every possible way. Non-Jewish blood is terrifyingly cheap, it can be shed like water. A situation that existed until now only de facto, with different standards and punishments for Jews and others, is from today by court decree.

    https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-now-israel-has-a-race-law-1.6492061


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  • Mooser Mooser, September 21, 2018, 11:47 AM

    "The constant claim is that Jews have tribal loyalty and yet the two of us despise each other"

    Exactly, "catalan"! And that kind of mutual despising is not a good basis for a "nation", is it? You have gone right to the heart of the matter.


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  • Mooser Mooser, September 21, 2018, 11:42 AM

    " Israel is gutless."

    We cannot sustain the losses, the casualties that other armies do, even in victory. It's a matter of Jewish survival.


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  • Citizen Citizen, September 21, 2018, 11:39 AM

    Good summary on the topic and its trajectory


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  • Mooser Mooser, September 21, 2018, 11:38 AM

    "It’s the difference between the online profile and the date."

    ROTFLMSJAO!! "catalan" in love. Your date with Mondo didn't go so well, in fact, you got the brush-off. (In spite of constantly telling Ms. Mondo how rich you are, too)

    So the only thing to do is become her stalker.


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  • Mooser Mooser, September 21, 2018, 11:29 AM

    “Jews don’t proselytize, nor do they feel the entire world must be Jewish.”

    Oh really? Is that so? Then why are there bagels?


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  • Mooser Mooser, September 21, 2018, 11:24 AM

    In the Internet age, erudition has been devalued quite a bit.


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  • brent brent, September 21, 2018, 11:09 AM

    I find it unsettling Palestine's intelligentsia is not engaging today's situation with some self-reflection. Had Erekat and Abbas studied how other political leaders deal with Trump, its possible today's circumstances could be different. Getting into a spitting match is something no other adversary has done. Trump takes things personally and Palestinians have suffered. Considering the unnecessary rebuke, it could well be the case the cause of Palestine has been severely set back. Certainly, its support system worldwide has been dealt a blow. Especially if Trump is re-elected.

    America is a system of competing interests where any cause can win or lose depending on how the game is played. Thankfully, throwing rocks at the Ferguson police was condemned by those seeking a positive outcome.

    Trump clearly said to Netanyahu, one state or two, so long as both agree, he was good with it. He said he intended to bring peace not only to Jerusalem but to the greater ME. He has the war state and Israel refusing either. He backed off the "Assad must go" capitulation of Obama. Every Administration kissed up to Israel expecting to cash in later. Dennis Ross, etc.

    An Israeli soldier responded when I gave him a hard time about firing at rock throwers, "Look, we cannot give them what is rightfully theirs until they learn how to take it". Study American politics and media for starters. And make clear that co-existence with positive neighborly relations is the end game, in one state or two.


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  • Misterioso Misterioso, September 21, 2018, 11:06 AM

    @Boris
    "All Israel’s military operations are purely defensive."

    You live in a Hasbara induced fantasy world.

    To be brief, a detailed examination of all military conflicts (using acknowledged scholarly, duly documented/foot noted sources) between the undefined entity known as "Israel" and the Palestinians or Arab states will reveal that they were either started directly or precipitated by "Israel."


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  • Misterioso Misterioso, September 21, 2018, 10:55 AM

    Speaking of "International law" -

    "Israel has granted a U.S. company the first license to explore for oil and gas in the OCCUPIED [my emphasis] Golan Heights, John Reed of the Financial Times reports.

    "A local subsidiary of the New York-listed company Genie Energy — which is advised by former vice president Dick Cheney and whose shareholders include Jacob Rothschild and Rupert Murdoch — will now have exclusive rights to a 153-square mile radius in the southern part of the Golan Heights.

    "That geographic location will likely prove controversial. Israel seized the Golan Heights in the Six-Day War in 1967 and annexed the territory in 1981. Its administration of the area — which is not recognized by international law — has been mostly peaceful until the Syrian civil war broke out 23 months ago. 'This action is mostly political - it's an attempt to deepen Israeli commitment to the occupied Golan Heights,' Israeli political analyst Yaron Ezrahi told FT. 'The timing is directly related to the fact that the Syrian government is dealing with violence and chaos and is not free to deal with this problem.'"

    "There are about 20,000 Israeli settlers in the Golan Heights. Wikimedia Commons

    "Earlier this month we reported that Israel is considering creating a buffer zone reaching up to 10 miles from Golan into Syria to secure the 47-mile border against the threat of Islamic radicals in the area.

    "The move would overtake the UN Disengagement Observer Force Zone that was established in 1973 to end the Yom Kippur War and to provide a buffer zone between the two countries."


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  • Misterioso Misterioso, September 21, 2018, 10:46 AM

    "Israel's Irreconcilable Differences With U.S. Jews and the Democratic Party May Soon Lead to Final Divorce"

    "Netanyahu is accelerating the pace of his country’s estrangement from everyone but ethnocentric and anti-democratic nationalists and xenophobes"
    By Chemi Shalev, Sept. 16/18, Haaretz.

    EXCERPT:
    "These are some of the events concerning Israel that have recently made headlines in the U.S. and the West: Paul Manafort reveals an Israeli accomplice to his Ukrainian dirty tricks; the prime minister’s spokesperson stands accused of serial sexual harassment, a charge downplayed and ignored by the Israeli ambassador to Washington; the universally-opposed impending evacuation of Bedouin outpost Khan al-Ahmar in the West Bank; humanitarian crisis in Gaza and massive bloodshed on its fence; wild cheers for Donald Trump’s harsh measures against the Palestinians; the nation-state law and anti-democratic legislation; political filtering of critics at the airport; and a prime minister mired in corruption charges who James Comey’s his police chief for taking his job too seriously.

    "And so on and so forth, for the list is long. Israelis may still believe they are a chosen and embattled people, a light unto start-up nations, a paragon of morality and virtue and the most unfairly maligned country on the face of the earth, but Israel is having an increasingly hard time convincing anyone who is not a right-wing ideologue or Evangelical believer of these supposedly self-evident truths. For all the rest, in varying degrees, Israel’s stature has steadily deteriorated from good to bad to worse."


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  • Boomer Boomer, September 21, 2018, 10:46 AM

    Thanks for this history, so sad, so tragic, and (alas) still relevant.


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  • HarryLaw HarryLaw, September 21, 2018, 10:43 AM

    Oh dear Citizen, I thought you, of all people would not miss my sarcasm. You should know we are all Anti-Semites now [sarc].


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  • Misterioso Misterioso, September 21, 2018, 10:38 AM

    https://electronicintifada.net/content/trump-official-wants-students-prosecuted-israel-protests/25526

    "Trump official wants students prosecuted for Israel protests"
    By Ali Abunimah The Electronic Intifada 19 September 2018.

    EXCERPT:
    "The Trump administration’s top civil rights enforcer at the US Department of Education wanted students who did nothing but hold a noisy protest in support of Palestinian rights to be criminally prosecuted.

    "Kenneth Marcus was captured on camera during a September 2016 meeting with an undercover reporter working on Al Jazeera’s explosive documentary about the US Israel lobby.

    "The documentary has never been broadcast due to censorship by Qatar, which funds Al Jazeera, following pressure from pro-Israel organizations.

    "The above video obtained by The Electronic Intifada is the latest excerpt to leak from the documentary. It shows Marcus speaking to the undercover reporter.

    "At the time, Marcus was director of the Louis D. Brandeis Center for Human Rights Under Law, an Israel lobby group unaffiliated with Brandeis University. The Brandeis Center specializes in lawfare – the use of legal proceedings to harass and silence Israel’s critics.

    "In that role, Marcus spearheaded the Israel lobby strategy of filing complaints to the Department of Education under Title VI of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, claiming that universities fail to protect Jewish students by not cracking down on Palestine solidarity activism.

    "In June, Marcus was confirmed as the director of the Office for Civil Rights at the US Department of Education. This means he is now in charge of investigating alleged violations of the civil rights law.

    "He has quickly fulfilled the worst fears of civil liberties defenders by reopening a bogus complaint against Rutgers University made by the Zionist Organization of America.

    "That complaint was thrown out by the Office for Civil Rights in 2014 for lack of evidence.
    Marcus also informed the ZOA by letter that he has decided to enforce an official definition of anti-Semitism that conflates criticism of Israel and Zionism with anti-Jewish bigotry.
    The move, made without public discussion or congressional notice, could have a profoundly chilling effect on academic freedom and free speech."


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  • Talkback Talkback, September 21, 2018, 10:34 AM

    Boris: "Well, Jews did not attack Germans, did not blow up restaurants, churches and buses."

    They did so in Palestine.

    Boris: "All Israel’s military operations are purely defensive."

    Ok, Boris, it's one thing not to tell the truth, but do you actually believe your nonsense, too?


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  • Talkback Talkback, September 21, 2018, 10:30 AM

    Nathan: "There is a conflict, and each side believes that it is in the "right" (and the other side is in the "wrong"). "

    Nope, there is an occupation and Apartheid and only people like you think that it isn't wrong.


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  • Talkback Talkback, September 21, 2018, 10:29 AM

    Nathan: "Holocaust survivors did not come flocking to Syria or Iraq or Egypt. They came to Palestine because a new reality of Jewish autonomous life impressed them, and rightly so."

    Rubbish. Their first target was not Palestine, but the US. Guess what the Zionist lobby did in the US to prevent that from happening.

    Nathan: "Yes, sometimes surrender is the wisest path to take"

    Yes, Tokyo Rose. Imagine all the Jews would have just surrendered to the Nazis. That would have been wise in your eyes, right?


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  • Misterioso Misterioso, September 21, 2018, 10:25 AM

    Bravo Professor John Cheney-Lippold!

    You did the right thing!!

    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20180917-book-on-israels-deliberate-maiming-of-palestinians-wins-top-academic-prize/

    "Book on Israel’s deliberate maiming of Palestinians wins top academic prize"
    Middle East Monitor, September 17/18

    "A US scholar has won a prestigious prize for a book which argues that Israel intentionally maims Palestinians under its control.

    "Rutgers University Professor Jasbir Puar was awarded the National Women’s Studies Association’s Alison Piepmeier Book Prize for 'The Right to Maim: Debility, Capacity, Disability.'

    "Puar, a professor of Women’s and Gender Studies, is a supporter of the Palestinian-led Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) campaign.

    "According to Puar, writing in the book, 'a complementary logic long present in Israeli tactical calculations of settler colonial rule' is 'that of creating injury and maintaining Palestinian populations as perpetually debilitated, and yet alive, in order to control them.'

    "Duke University Press, the book’s publisher, says Puar presents 'an interrogation of Israel’s policies toward Palestine, in which she outlines how Israel brings Palestinians into biopolitical being by designating them available for injury.'

    “Supplementing its right to kill with what Puar calls the right to maim, the Israeli state relies on liberal frameworks of disability to obscure and enable the mass debilitation of Palestinian bodies.

    "The Department of Women’s and Gender Studies at Rutgers congratulated Puar on the prize, and quoted the award committee’s praise for the book as 'a major milestone…across multiple disciplines, with much to teach us about contemporary disability politics.'”


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  • Elizabeth Block Elizabeth Block, September 21, 2018, 10:19 AM

    I quote Conor Cruise O'Brien, who as an Irishman knew whereof he spoke:
    "Oppressed peoples have a sense of their own virtue which is in direct proportion to the magnitude of the crimes they have been powerless to commit."
    And I have a theory, based on nothing really, that the non-Jewish Zionism that seems so prevalent comes, at least in part, from admiration and respect for Israel as a powerful, violent nation. We say we aren't impressed by bullies ... but we are.


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  • Maghlawatan Maghlawatan, September 21, 2018, 10:17 AM

    Mooser

    Israël only attacks poor people. When they can defend themselves Israel stops attacking them. Israel is gutless. Israel wouldn’t dare go toe to toe with France or the UK. It would attack Sierra Leone on the other hand.


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  • Maghlawatan Maghlawatan, September 21, 2018, 10:14 AM

    Re vengeance - what was the motivation of the Nazis? Vengeance for what ?


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  • Elizabeth Block Elizabeth Block, September 21, 2018, 10:06 AM

    This is the kind of thing that Zionists call an attack on academic freedom.
    When Israelis stop attacking Palestinian schoolchildren and teachers on their way to and from school - when Israel stops destroying Palestinian schools - they will then have a right to talk about academic freedom.


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  • Misterioso Misterioso, September 21, 2018, 10:04 AM

    @Boris

    "It is absolutely sick to equate Israel with Nazi Germany. It is also antisemitic."

    Jan 19, 2018 – Haaretz
    Opinion: “In Israel, Growing Fascism and a Racism Akin to Early Nazism” by Zeev Sternhell.**
    EXCERPT:
    “I frequently ask myself how a historian in 50 or 100 years will interpret our period. When, he will ask, did people in Israel start to realize that the state that was established in the War of Independence, on the ruins of European Jewry and at the cost of the blood of combatants some of whom were Holocaust survivors, had devolved into a true monstrosity for its non-Jewish inhabitants. When did some Israelis understand that their cruelty and ability to bully others, Palestinians or Africans, began eroding the moral legitimacy of their existence as a sovereign entity?”

    Also:
    https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-gaza-border-killings-expose-israel-s-true-mentality-1.6032716
    Opinion: “Gaza Border Killings Expose Israel’s True Mentality
    And Bezalel Smotrich, like the cynical face of Avigdor Lieberman, reflects our own face, the face of Netanyahu’s advance guard for the West.”
    By Zeev Sternhell Apr 27, 2018 – Haaretz

    ** Zeev Sternhell is a Polish-born Israeli historian, political scientist, commentator on the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, and writer. He is one of the world’s leading experts on fascism. Sternhell headed the Department of Political Science at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.


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