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If The Truth Is A Threat To Israel, Then Israel Should Not Exist
Caitlin Johnstone

Oct 11, 2026

“Israel is so evil that it’s actually illegal for Israelis to tell the truth about it.

Benjamin Netanyahu has just ordered Israel’s military, its attorney general, and its security agency Shin Bet to investigate and prosecute the soldiers who anonymously shared their experiences in the Gaza Strip with the award-winning investigative documentary “NAZA”.

According to Haaretz, Netanyahu accused the soldiers of “serious information security offenses, criminal defamation and harm to Israel’s diplomatic and security interests,” adding that “there is concern that those involved in the defamatory film committed serious criminal offenses by exposing highly classified information and creating a breach in the information security of a highly sensitive intelligence unit.”

Netanyahu’s accusations of “defamation” are contradicted by his other accusation of “exposing highly classified information”. The 24 soldiers interviewed for the film are being prosecuted not because they told lies about Israel, but because they told the truth. The prime minister is claiming the truth causes “harm to Israel’s diplomatic and security interests” because Israel is a state that can only exist on a foundation of endless lies.“

https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/if-the-truth-is-a-threat-to-israel

Of course the main stream media outlets mentioned by PW “should” demand that Israel allow international journalist in. However, we all know that happening has as much chance as a snowballs chance in hell.

Comcast CEO’s Brian Roberts is a die hard supporter of Israel. https://forward.com/news/193521/brian-roberts-jewish-roots-and-outsized-ambition-d/

https://mondoweiss.net/2011/11/nbc-and-the-israel-lobby/

https://mondoweiss.net/2017/09/israel-lobby-never/

MSNBC’s Death Rattle

https://www.thenation.com/article/society/msnbc-capitulation/

Skydance/CNN Ellison’s
https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2025-10-08/paramount-david-ellison-film-workers-palestine-red-alert

While Israel blocked international journalist from getting in to report about the genocide. Palestinian journalist did an amazing and honorable job getting the facts out. Heads of international humanitarian groups were on many main stream outlets getting what they were witnessing out. Doctors and health care workers really got the word out about Israel’s massive amount of war crimes and crimes against humanity that they witnessed.

WE NEED TO KEEP DEMANDING media outlets keep having these Doctors and other humanitarian workers on main stream outlets. Testifying for our Reps etc. Testifying everywhere they can. We have lots of credible reports about what took place and is taking place

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/31/tv/video/amanpour-gaza-doctors-israel-feroze-sidhwa-mark-perlmutter

youtube.com/watch?v=ZT8d9-98PIs&themeRefresh=1

But rated worse than Norway, New Zealand, Denmark, Iceland, Finland, Sweden, Ireland, Switzerland, Canada, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Uruguay, Australia, Japan, Taiwan, Germany, Austria, United Kingdom, Costa Rica, Portugal, Mauritius, Spain, Czech Republic, Estonia, Greece, France, Chile, Malta, and Slovenia. Glad we cleared that up! I wonder what Wikipedia has to say about using the word ‘genocide’ for what’s happening in Gaza….

Well, hoop de doo.

As well as the US, Belgium, Italy, South Korea, India, Latvia, Poland, etc…
None of which are absolute monarchies, dictatorships or failed states.

I voted early this morning in Georgia.
Ossof is certain to be reelected.

On the reverse side, it may very well be that Israel isn’t going to count on the U.S. much longer to fight its wars; they see the handwriting on the wall. Tamir Hayman, the director of Israel’s Institute for National Security Studies, has just written some new policy proposals for Israel. Here’s some highlights:

Principles of the Emerging “New” Concept:

Primacy of Jewish Identity over Democracy: The state’s Jewish identity takes precedence over its democratic system of government. …

Peace as a Means Rather Than an End: The underlying assumption is that any arrangement with Arab actors is temporary and deceptive. 

Rejection of the Independent Existence of Arab States: The underlying premise is that most Arab states are not genuine nation-states, but collections of tribes and ethnic groups lacking a shared history and a foundational national vision. Consequently, undermining their stability is viewed as a natural…

War as a Foundational State: War is essential to national security and cannot be replaced by a state of peace, which, as noted, is merely a means rather than an end.

Self-Reliance and Severing Dependence on the United States: Israel’s national security rests solely on its own capabilities and does not require the backing of a specific great-power. Although important, the relationship with the United States is driven purely by interests. Furthermore, excessive adherence to restrictions imposed on Israel by a US administration is dangerous: The United States is a “declining power” and, given its ongoing social and political shifts, will soon abandon Israel in any event. 

Israel now treats US as ‘declining power’ and war as permanent condition, says former intelligence chief – Middle East Monitor

Israel is rated as slightly better than a bunch of absolute monarchies, dictatorships and failed states. Well, hoop de doo.

I found a flaw!

Israeli occupiers burn prayer room, car, scrawl racist slogans in occupied Jerusalem – Middle East Monitor

Israeli occupiers set fire to a prayer room and a car and scrawled racist slogans in the town of Mukhmas, northeast of occupied Jerusalem, early Wednesday, according to a local official….The attack comes amid ongoing violence by Israeli occupiers against Palestinians and their property across the occupied West Bank, including East Jerusalem. It also coincides with the olive harvest season, during which attacks against Palestinian farmers have intensified….

Time is an issue.

Its direct aim, he says, is to undermine the government…

The government is Hamas. So, yeah…

Israel is listed here as a flawed democracy, highest score in the region:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index

“Abu Shehadeh thus opted to withdraw his candidacy, ‘to avoid a Supreme Court ruling that could set a dangerous legal precedent with grave consequences for the already limited space for Palestinian political participation in the Knesset,’ as his legal defense from Adalah stated.”

There is a reason why the SC wanted him to voluntarily withdraw. They get to prevent Palestinians from running for office without having to state that it is legally doing so. In my opinion, that is a mistaken strategy. It permits israel to prevent Palestinians from running for office without ever having to legally ban them. In other words, they get to have their way while also maintaining that it is a democratic state. If israel wants to prevent Palestinians from running, they should be forced to issue a ruling that bans them.

As for givr, why doesn’t the article mention that he is trying to ban Palestinian candidates from running because they supposedly support terrorism although he has been convicted of aiding terrorism against Palestinians? And that the SC is trying to ban Palestinians for supposedly supporting terrorism while permitting a Jewish-israeli convicted of terrorism to be minister of national security.

I think that the Supreme Court acted unfairly and un-democratically . Barring Mr. Abu Shehada, for one article that he wrote immediately after Oct7- and  he’s   expressed regret for writing it – while approving the candidacy of the anti-democratic fascists and racists on the extreme Right is a bad decision and a very bad precedent.
On the other hand -looking for the silver lining- only he was banned, not his party . And maybe this event will infuriate many Arab citizens and motivate them to come out and vote on Oct.27, to prove that they won’t be silenced or ignored. As I’ve mentioned before, the turnout on election day among the Arab citizens is super-important.

Your state is not a democracy, as B’Tselem has reported extensively, but an apartheid state that privileges Jews above all others:

The Israeli regime enacts in all the territory it controls (Israeli sovereign territory, East Jerusalem, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip) an apartheid regime. One organizing principle lies at the base of a wide array of Israeli policies: advancing and perpetuating the supremacy of one group – Jews – over another – Palestinians.

B’Tselem rejects the perception of Israel as a democracy (inside the Green Line) that simultaneously upholds a temporary military occupation (beyond it). B’Tselem reached the conclusion that the bar for defining the Israeli regime as an apartheid regime has been met after considering the accumulation of policies and laws that Israel devised to entrench its control over Palestinians.

The key tool Israel uses to implement the principle of Jewish supremacy is engineering space geographically, demographically and politically. Jews go about their lives in a single, contiguous space where they enjoy full rights and self-determination. In contrast, Palestinians live in a space that is fragmented into several units, each with a different set of rights – given or denied by Israel, but always inferior to the rights accorded to Jews.

(‘This Is Apartheid’, B’Tselem 12 January 2021)

Do you have anything to say about the content of the article?

Let us assume they are allowed into Gaza. What will they repot? The suffering of the poor Israeli soldiers perhaps. I know i am being cynical, you do too. I am just making a point.

“It is clear to me that if Sami were Jewish, he would never have been disqualified. Jewish politicians have said things just as horrifying as he has, and they are consistently allowed to run. People fighting for Israeli democracy — both here in the U.S. and in Israel — can’t go to the mat for Israel’s democratic institutions without dealing with the essence of what democracy is.”

Israeli Supreme Court Arab party decision not enough – The Forward

That ‘pep rally’ starting about 4:35 where the Israeli commander exhorts the troops – “I want you to rage, I want you to have a deep sense of revenge, anyone who messes with us should die, he, and his family, and his relatives, and everyone who supported him…” — that was chilling. Seems like an exhortation to genocide to me.

I hope that Mr.Ofir plans to come and vote on Oct.27.

“. I would emphasize the influence of humanists Jews on public opinion.l

Yes, we know and we know where you go next— it is up to Palestinians to create or win over “ humanist Jews”, a rather vague term.

There are already a large number of Jews outraged by Israel’s behavior. On that subject, I think the part of the Jewish community which excuses or whitewashes Israeli apartheid and slaughter has to be confronted, probably within the Jewish community because outsiders will be brushed off as antisemites. Peter Beinart just did an interview with the Makdisi brothers, who are coming out with a book on anti- Palestinian racism and much of what they talked about was how the false charge of antisemitism is a racist way to suppress criticism of Israeli oppression.

Exactly right. In the U.S. someone like Bret Stephens is given a NYT platform where he can label anyone he wants as an antisemite or moral idiot and justify everything Israel has done in Gaza, but he can take for granted that he will not be called an anti- Palestinian racist apologist for genocide, or not in mainstream circles. How many regular columnists in any mainstream press outlet defend what Hamas did on Oct 7? I don’t want to defend it— I think it was a massive war crimes, but why does Stephens get to deny genocide?

So there is a double standard on who gets called a racist and whose apologetics for war crimes puts you beyond the pale. Open support for Hamas and their atrocities on Oct 7 is denounced, but people who justify Israel’s far greater slaughter are not denounced as bigots. You can disagree with Stephens, for example, but he is not considered beyond the pale. He has a regular column and most of the ones he writes has something to say in favor of Israel or blaming Palestinians or their supporters.

What we need to do in the U.S. is put anti- Palestinian racism on the same level as antisemitism. Palestinians do not need to reach anyone’s standards of moral perfection for this to be a rock- bottom demand.

brent: “Most, but not all, Israelis buy into the 10-7 exaggerations. Most only see existential threat. “

But that’s Israel’s ultimate raison d’être: The universe is inherently antisemitic, and whenever reality refuses to cooperate, they simply fabricate it out of any criticism. They’ve successfully downgraded a world free of racism into a world exclusively obsessed with antisemitism, rebranded ‘Never again’ into ‘Never again to us‘, and perfected the art of playing the eternal victim, especially while being the oppressor and genocidaire.

brent: “My question is, how to make more allies?”

You allready found the answer in the video you had posted from this Muslim guy: Analyze, debunk the Zionist narrative and spread your results. Keep pushing away the allies of this racist regime.

But that’s not really your argenda as expessed in your one trick pony, is it?

brent: “Just how would you suggest proceeding with the objective of forcing Israelis “to confront uncomfortable, material realities”?”

I simply confront them. But how would you know, right?

jrg: “There are lots of people in the Mondoweiss commentariat who simply are not normal.”

Says the one who views the depopulation of Gaza as “sublime poetry.” Leibowitz was right.

He uncovered how the Israel lobby HIDES its funding — Declassified UK

Hostage: “No one objected because I never said it. It was just another one of your own imaginary excursions into the land of “Translated from the code, this means ” nothing.”

Oh, he does this all the time, especially the one time when he wanted me to get banned for this own antisemitic “translations”. LOL.

This British Man Fought in Gaza. What We Found Was Disturbing. — Declassified UK

Describing IDF presence in depopulated West Bank camps as ‘permanent,’ Katz says not High Court’s business to intervene — Times of Israel

I haven’t commented here in a while. What Mr. Weiss writes here is spot on. The examples of studied neglect of the most devastating urban ghetto battle of the 21st century abound (Gaza is fenced in, more than Warsaw). Phil couldn’t have caught them all in 56 paragraphs.

The avoider that irks me the most is MSNOW.

“The outside world has to pressure the Israelis to pull out of the WB and Gaza. In the long run there could be Kumbaya, and there needs to be, but right now what the Israelis need is a nonviolent pressure campaign to stop acting like genocidal racist maniacs.”

Precisely the political objective I advocate and keep asking for better ideas to advance that objective. I would emphasize the influence of humanists Jews on public opinion.

Note my initial comment on Oct. 8 has not been addressed… as the several questions I’d posed for clarify.

Here’s a story that’s gone under the radar: at 95, Ezra Yachin is Israel’s oldest reservist. When the war started he called on Israel to “erase the memory of… families, mothers and children [of Paelstinians]” – you can watch his speech here:

Israel-Palestine war: Israeli veteran, 95, rallies troops to ‘erase’ Palestinian children | Middle East Eye

Israeli president Isaac Herzog awarded Yachin a ‘certificate of honor’:

Eighty Years of Hurt – The American Conservative

We might contrast Levi’s humanity to the tone of a motivational speech delivered by 95-year-old Israeli military veteran Ezra Yachin to IDF troops before they invaded Gaza. Yachin told the soldiers to “wipe out their memory, their families, mothers and children.” As Bartov notes, President Isaac Herzog rewarded Yachin with a certificate of honor.

This is Zionism in practice. In theory Zionism is this wonderful ideology about an oppressed people returning to their ancestral homeland, yadayadayada. But in practice Zionism is about erasing an entire society, as this article shows.

Re: Do you envision what could be gained or lost from a Mondoweiss discussion on “free Palestine from the river to the sea”?

Other than a topic ban, here is my suggestion. You’ve already beaten that poor horse to death and heroic attempts failed to revive it a very long time ago.

Every time we request you stop for a respectful moment of silence, you forget all of our previous replies and repeat the same suggestion again. There is no hidden level you unlock if you ask for deliberation of the exact same thing over and over again. In Groundhog Day, you’ll just get stuck repeating that same mistake, over and over again, until you stop and try something different.

It’s as if you suffer from Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD) and believe we need to attempt to miraculously revive the dead horse.

But even if we employed the Witch of Endor, the deceased animal would just return and discover you beating it over the head again and asking the same (wrong) question. In cases like this, you should ask completely new questions until next Groundhog day. By then you can safely test everyone’s patience again to verify that it’s your question that’s causing your personal problem, and finally move on.

I didn’t expect you to take my advice or to listen to Thomas’s detailed critique. You are obsessed and will continue to retaliate and hijack virtually every thread.

Btw, has it occurred to you that a great many people on both sides have zero interest in living with the other? That Israelis are afraid because at some level, perhaps subconscious, they know their actions have created hatred? And of course they hate Palestinians because of Oct 7 also, but they also know they stole the land and you have to demonize the people you stole from because otherwise that makes your state illegitimate.

And I doubt a great many Palestinians are eager to live next to the people who clearly wish they went away.

I am not trying to start a conversation with you because I have never seen any indication that you can ever get off your talking points. But this isn’t a situation where the two sides just misunderstand each other and we just need some good PR firm to step in. Zionists want their Jewish state. They have zero interest in a 1ss. I don’t know how many Palestinians actually want to live with people who clearly despise them.

The outside world has to pressure the Israelis to pull out of the WB and Gaza. In the long run there could be Kumbaya, and there needs to be, but right now what the Israelis need is a nonviolent pressure campaign to stop acting like genocidal racist maniacs.

Surprise me. Say something that gets off your talking points.

My question is, how to make more allies?

The point that the interviews with the killers to some extent ‘humanizes’ them is well taken. Hannah Arendt’s portrayal of Eichmann was similarly criticized. BUT this ignores the political importance of the soldiers’ testimonies. These make it possible – even in Germany and Austria – to publicly argue that Israel’s crimes are like those of Nazi Germany, and that the perpetrators share the delusions and, certainly in the case of settler mobs, the motivations of Hitler’s followers. It is this political aspect that accounts for the vicious reaction of Israel and its unconditional defenders.

Just how would you suggest proceeding with the objective of forcing Israelis “to confront uncomfortable, material realities”?

Do you envision what could be gained or lost from a Mondoweiss discussion on “free Palestine from the river to the sea”?

Most, but not all, Israelis buy into the 10-7 exaggerations. Most only see existential threat.

As Israel is being seen as a pariah state, the voices of non-racists Jews becomes more important for Israelis and Americans to hear.

The “Arab Plan” was sure swept under the rug in the states, as soon as it came out. U.S. mainstream media outlets barely provided any spotlights on this plan for reconstruction of Gaza.

https://www.un.org/unispal/document/cairo-statement-and-arab-plan-adopted-at-the-league-of-arab-states-summit-for-early-recovery-reconstruction-and-development-in-gaza-letter-from-bahrain-a-79-820-s-2025-151/

https://arabcenterdc.org/resource/an-arab-plan-for-gaza-obstacles-and-possibilities/

https://carnegieendowment.org/emissary/2025/03/gaza-ceasefire-egypt-reconstruction-palestine-summit

The scramble to rewrite Biden’s record on Gaza | The Listening Post – YouTube — Al Jazeera English

‘CLEARLY A CRIME’: ‘NAZA’ director on Israeli military operations exposed in film –MSNOW

Bret you’re still engaging in war propaganda. You’re not calling for disarmament of Israel or an arms import and export ban. You need to teach the Israelis how to coexist, not the Palestinians. BTW, how many homicides happened in States or regions with 2.5 million people where you live last year?

*Only 5 IDF soldiers have been killed in Gaza in the year since the Gaza ceasefire began.  

*The IDF has murdered 1,471 of Palestinians and wounded over 5000 more during the same one year ceasefire period. 

*Like the Hannibal Directive, 242 of the total 300 homicides committed in 2025 were crimes against Arab citizens of Israel . They remained unsolved by the years end. See: Israel’s Annual Homicide Rate Hits 300 for Second Time Under Ben-Gvir’s Tenure — Haaretz Dec. 2025

* Murder almost every day in Israel 2026: “It has become too easy” If the current pace continues, the number of people murdered this year could reach about 300 for the fourth year in a row – and the feeling of helplessness has long been no longer the preserve of the Arab street alone. — Ynet, Apr 2026.

Re: There are lots of people in the Mondoweiss commentariat who simply are not normal.

You are not normal. I’ve cited examples of your own comment section posts that gloat over the murder and starvation of at least 20,000 pre-schoolers,

Re: After all, no one objected when you expressed the wish that I were dead.

No one objected because I never said it. It was just another one of your own imaginary excursions into the land of “Translated from the code, this means ” nothing.

Like I said the first time. Nope. You are the one doing the hate filled ranting. Google is your best friend and even it documents Israel’s State responsibility for documented criminality:

Advisory Opinions

• Legal Consequences of the Construction of a Wall in the Occupied Palestinian Territory (2004)
• Type: Advisory Opinion (requested by the UN General Assembly)
• Summary: The ICJ declared that Israel’s construction of the barrier in the West Bank (including East Jerusalem) violated international law and required Israel to cease construction and make reparations.
• Legal Consequences arising from the Policies and Practices of Israel in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem (2024)
• Type: Advisory Opinion (requested by UNGA Resolution in December 2022)
• Summary: The Court found Israel’s continued presence in the Occupied Palestinian Territory to be unlawful under international law and stated it must be brought to an end as rapidly as possible.
• Obligations of Israel in relation to the Presence and Activities of the United Nations, Other International Organizations and Third States in and in relation to the Occupied Palestinian Territory (2024–2025)
• Type: Advisory Opinion proceedings
• Summary: Proceedings examining Israel’s obligations as an Occupying Power to facilitate the work, humanitarian aid, and presence of the UN and UNRWA.

Contentious Cases

• Application of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide in the Gaza Strip (South Africa v. Israel) (2023–present)
• Type: Contentious Case (State-versus-State)
• Summary: South Africa instituted proceedings alleging that Israel’s military operations and conduct in Gaza violate obligations under the 1948 Genocide Convention, leading the Court to issue multiple orders for provisional measures

According to the official ICC Defendant Profiles for Netanyahu and Gallant statements from the court’s Pre-Trial Chamber, both individuals face criminal responsibility as co-perpetrators or superiors for the following charges committed in the Gaza Strip between October 8, 2023, and May 20, 2024:

War Crimes

• Starvation as a method of warfare
• Intentionally directing an attack against the civilian population

Crimes Against Humanity

• Murder
• Persecution
• Other inhumane acts

Please stop digging yourself in deeper.

Katie Halper Show: Sinwar Did NOT Want Oct 7. Israel DID

• Sinwar offered Israel a deal and was “not enthusiastic” about October 7 
• The Israeli Army rejected the deal — and pressured Netanyahu to attack Gaza”
• The real objective: ‘to de-arabize historical Palestine by any means possible'”
• The Arafat Parallel: ‘either you take our plan or you are a warmonger’
• Israel was looking for a pretext to ethnically cleanse
• The violence on October 7 was a symptom, not the origin

Brent, It is telling that no matter how many times these exact points are thoroughly debunked, you simply ignore the counter-arguments and repeat the same tired script. For the benefit of anyone reading along, let’s address the core fallacy of this persistent derailment strategy, which is a textbook example of DARVO (Deny, Attack, and Reverse Victim and Offender).

By trying to shift the moral burden onto a population facing existential destruction, you demand they run a “better PR campaign” to win over their oppressors. If spectators choose to ignore documented violations of international law simply because they dislike a protest slogan, that is a moral failure of the spectator, not the victim. To lecture Palestinians on “coexistence” gaslights the audience and rewrites history; it was never the non-Jewish citizens of Palestine who rejected a single, unitary, democratic, and secular state with guaranteed minority right, a vision dismantled in practice since Israel’s collusion with Transjordan of 1947/48 to prevent the independence of any Palestinian state.

Furthermore, your invocation of South Africa and America as models of liberation via “public opinion” is a complete ridiculous distortion of history. Apartheid did not collapse because the white minority suddenly liked the ANC’s rhetoric. In fact, the US and Israel kept Nelson Mandela on terror watchlists for decades. It collapsed because relentless internal resistance and global economic sanctions made the status quo unsustainable.

The comparison also fails structurally: the Afrikaners needed to exploit native labor, whereas the Zionist framework relies on the permanent displacement and elimination of the native population.

Political support in the West does not fail because of “bad Palestinian PR” either. It fails because Western governments actively criminalize, censor, and demonize even the most peaceful, democratic forms of solidarity, such as student protests or boycott movements.

True political pressure is built by forcing people to confront uncomfortable, material realities, not by offering rhetorical comfort food to the Western conscience. Repetitively shifting the blame onto the communication strategy of the oppressed is not a debate; it is a deliberate distraction designed to ensure the conversation never stays on the actual crimes being committed.

Let’s have a guess who is ignoring this again and keeps on trolling.

“The Palestinians have been given no peaceful means to protest for decades…”
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With no one offering Palestinians the means to protest, a discussion and debate on achieving self-determination is a worthwhile consideration.

I wonder if RobertB has read this hate-filled rant of yours, and if he has, whether he’d stand by what he wrote a few days ago (“Hostage is a person of integrity, honesty, compassion and with ethical principles.”). Most likely, he would do so. There are lots of people in the Mondoweiss commentariat who simply are not normal. After all, no one objected when you expressed the wish that I were dead.

This is from an Isabel Kershner piece in the NYT today about the upcoming election—

“The predominantly Jewish parties in the opposition could win a majority together with the Arab parties. But many Israeli voters, even those who don’t like Netanyahu, don’t want their government to rely on Arab parties.”

So many Israeli voters don’t even want to work with their fellow citizens.

This is called “ racism”, Brent, and it seems to be a concept beyond your understanding. I wish you would stop boring everyone to death posting the same damn thing over and over in virtually every thread. There are a few Zionists in the comment threads. Try discussing things with them. At least it would be a change.

Yes, Israeli force will fail in the end, because it is evil. The Palestinians have been given no peaceful means to protest for decades (ex. The countless sanctions against the non-violent BDS movement in the United States, and the UK and elsewhere.).
American public opinion is changing because the voters are realizing Israel and the pro-Israel political class in American has been lying to them for decades.
Yet the established political leadership in both US Political Parties continue to support unconditionally the Israeli colonial project – which is now toxic and morally bankrupt for almost everyone else on this planet.

“He sincerely believes that, if only Palestinians would follow the rules and not make Jews fearful, a happy medium can be arranged through the bureaucratic processes of international laws.”
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There is no apparent advantage to making Jews afraid, especially considering coexistence is a given and they can be influential allies. However, there is another essential aspect to consider.

Since, IMO, history has shown that force, while legal, has failed. Palestinian liberation can be achieved politically, like liberations in South Africa and America…. via public opinion. The pump may not stay primed.

It is a Palestinian interest to have additional political support, especially among Jews/Israelis and Americans to prevail on intense propaganda and exert sufficient pressure to change policies. Too many today question whether coexistence is the ultimate objective. This is an unnecessary hinderance for political support and needs mitigating.

On point criticism and/or effective ideas to get to liberation are in order.

And since we’re talking about journalists in Gaza, recently the IDF claimed that 170 members of the press in Gaza were really Hamas military operatives:

The Press Files | IDF

EXPOSED: HAMAS AND PIJ MILITARY OPERATIVES POSED AS JOURNALISTS
Debunking Israel’s latest list of ‘terrorist’ journalists in Gaza

The evidence against the 170 media workers named in ‘The Press Files’ includes empty pages, clearly edited documents, and unverifiable snippets…Mohammed is one of 59 journalists included in “The Press Files” whose pages are devoid of any evidence or documentation whatsoever. Naturally, these names are all buried at the bottom of the list. In the cases of Al Jazeera’s Ahmed Al-Louh and Sawt Al-Aqsa’s Hassan Sammour, their pages don’t even contain the claim “based on multiple intelligence sources.”….
My quote doesn’t do justice to the 972 piece, I recommend reading the article in its entirety.

Since we’re talking about documentaries, recently I saw Tantura, a film about events that transpired in the Palestinian village of Tantura in 1948. On the surface it’s about what happened, but on a deeper level it’s about a society that can’t come to grips with its own history.

It’s also the story of Teddy Katz, a graduate student in history. When he did his maste’rs thesis on Tantura…..well, not to spoil it, you can read his story here:

The Tantura Case in Israel: The Katz Research and Trial | Institute for Palestine Studies

‘Tantura’ director: Israelis have been lied to for years about alleged 1948 massacre | The Times of Israel

George Washington owned slaves, and David Ben-Gurion ( from ChatGPT):

David Ben-Gurion directed a group of scholars and researchers between 1960 and 1964 to compile historical materials supporting the claim that Palestinian refugees left of their own volition in 1948 rather than being expelled. [1]

Tantura on Amazon:

Watch Tantura | Prime Video

1st wrap your head around the fact that aiding, abetting, or colluding to maintain a regime of Article II Apartheid Convention conditions is not a political crime. It is subject to extradition treaties. So there are 109 state parties that can prosecute individuals who are criminally culpable.

2nd it is still a crime, even if 100 percent of the perpetrators are politically in favor of doing it. The Law for the Protection of German Blood and German Honour was also a PR challenge. But that was not a dispositive, exonerating factor. Propagandists Julius Streiche, Hans Fritzsche, William Joyce, and Otto Dietrich were punished for incitement to commit the crime of aggression. Israel is violating the prohibitions in Article II of both the Genocide and Apartheid Convention,

3rd the displaced Palestinians have the legal right to go back home. Hamas, the PLO, and Israel can create as many states as they want. That will not circumvent the prohibition of apartheid or individual right of return, no matter how much the exercise of that unqualified right frightens an Israeli

4th the false claim that exercising a legal right creates a PR liability is just war propaganda and the on-going crime of hate speech. Just stop doing it. Full Stop.

Brent, before you can prove that clarifying this slogan would actually lead Israel to stop portraying Palestinian political demands as an existential threat and committing crimes against humanity, your constant attempts to derail every discussion about Israels crimes by bringing up your criticism of this slogan, regardless of the article or topic or at hand, should be considered trolling under Mondoweiss’s commenting policy.

You’re welcome.

Re; Care to explain how you consider I perpetrate crimes.

Long story short, what you are doing is conducting illegal war propaganda against forcibly dispossessed and persecuted Palestinian refugees with residual legal rights to citizenship, the vote, equal human rights, return to the country of their birth, recovery or compensation for their family estates, pillaged lands, and homes, and payment of reparations for any loss or damages. If you and the Israelis are afraid of that, then you should be.

If you need me to spell out all of the criminal prohibitions of what you are aiding and abetting in the Genocide, Apartheid, and ICC statutes, I’ll be glad to do it. For a start you’ve already been told that publicly condoning, denying, and trivializing any crime like persecution which is listed the ICC statute and both the Genocide and Apartheid Conventions is a punishable crime. So just stop doing that. The Palestinians have a right to equality and to return home, no matter how much that frightens you and an Israeli.

You and the Israelis have to grow up and accept restitution and reparation. You can create as many states as you want, but it will still be a crime to create or maintain a racially isolated enclave anywhere between the river and the sea. Full stop. Those are not unjust demands. They are what the Nuremberg Charter Judgment, Genocide and Apartheid Conventions, the Convention on the Non-Applicability of Statutory Limitations, and the Rome Statute have always required from the Israelis – all along. You are prohibited from aiding, abetting, or colluding with them to circumvent any of that.

Thanks for the prompt demonstration, Brent.

You were just caught hijacking yet another article about actual, documented Israeli violations with a critique of T-shirts and tote bags, and your grand response to that exposure is to literally play the exact same broken record.

So if you want to talk about PR liabilities, let’s talk about yours.

Do you not see the absolute intellectual bankruptcy you signal to every reader when you look at a lifetime of documented state actions and your only mechanism is to hide behind a slogan? By reducing eighty years of history to a marketing critique, you tell the entire room that the pro-Israeli narrative has zero factual defense against these ceasefire violations, so you have no choice but to panic and pull your semantic escape hatch. As if Hasbara would instantly collapse if you weren’t constantly policing Palestinian intentions or grading the wording on a Mondoweiss tote bag.

You tried to lecture people on public relations and instead proved that your chosen defense is so utterly detached from the argument in front of you that a simple T-shirt campaign is enough to make you repeat yourself like an malfunctioning bot and use your one trick pony slogan debate.

Regarding your question. I can see that you need to play dumb (very authentically I may add) to distract from the article and my response to you. So lets see how many time goes by, until you spam yet another debate with your one trick pony.

Thank you for your detailed explanation.

But jrg, didn’t you write that the depopulation of the Palestinian people would be ‘sublime poetry’? What’s different here besides your fascistic and antisemitic conflation of state ideology with the Jewish population, and your projection (not translation) of genocide intentions into an article which says nothing about it?

Did the de-apartheidization of South Africa subjugate, expell or exterminate the Afrikaners? What do you think about Germany’s denazification?

brent: “They play the fiddle.”

Which is exactly what you don’t do brent, right?

Cause you use this space to highlight in detail how Israeli state propaganda weaponizes algorithmic dehumanization and military violence to silence the basic human right to exist and be free.

And that is the opposite of what a crypto-Zionist DARVO strategist does: Hijack the conversation, ignore the ongoing atrocities, and invert the roles of victim and offender by reframing a legitimate cry for freedom (‘Free Palestine’) into an existential threat (‘free of Jews’), effectively validating Hasbara.

That’s not you, brent, is it?

Re: Translated from the code, this means

Nope it means Zionists like persecuting Palestinians, killing men, women, and children like shooting fish in a barrel, or causing homeless refugees grievous bodily injury and mental harm. You are afraid when they try to return to the homes and lands you’ve never paid a dime to acquire. Zionist have invaded, ejected murdered ,occupied, and committed apartheid and genocide – and “the Emperor has no clothiers ” because you’ve done it all openly and bragged about it.

Then you invent existential threats and complain everyone is out to prosecute your criminals and refuse to relinquish dictatorial power, stop persecution of others, and accept mere equality, and justice for those with pillaged homes or illegally expropriated land. You are using shopworn, ineffective hasbara and hoping everyone won’t notice you demand inequality and require brute force to maintain a criminal regime. But people notice you are just behaving like entitled racist monsters and murderers you’ve always been.

From comments by Brent, it is clear he sees the world differently than do most Palestinians and their allies such as Mondoweiss and you. He sincerely believes that, if only Palestinians would follow the rules and not make Jews fearful, a happy medium can be arranged through the bureaucratic processes of international laws. The fascist fanaticism of Zionism; the system of US imperialism that uses Israel as an attack dog and regards the Palestinian people as an obstacle to be eliminated; the complicity of Western and Arab governments in what he refuses to admit is a genocide… none of these figure as real to Brent as they do not to writers of editorials in Western media. Obviously, he is utterly mistaken, but he refuses to consider that his entire world view is wrong and must be torn up.

P.S. ALSO SEE:
■ How do human beings explain taking part in genocide? NAZA provides a chilling look
By Omer Bartov | The Guardian | Fri 9 Oct 2026

[EXCERPT] Werner Best, a senior SS official and jurist who helped organize the Nazi death squads that murdered hundreds of thousands of Jews, is also known for his statement: “We must destroy the enemy without hating him.” He belonged to a younger generation of Nazi technocrats, who despised the foul-mouthed, beer-bellied, brown-shirted “old fighters” of the Nazi party in the 1920s, and believed in organizing genocide neatly and dispassionately. After the fall of the regime, Best escaped justice for the rest of his long life, dying peacefully in Germany in 1989. His chilling statement came to my mind while I was watching the film NAZA…

ENTIRE OP-ED ~ https://www.theguardian.com/global/commentisfree/2026/oct/09/naza-mass-killing-gaza-israel

“Zionism must remain condemned and isolated until it is liquidated and our people are liberated.” Translated from the code, this means that the Jewish population of Israel but be subjugated, expelled or exterminated. And these anonymous writers accuse Israel of genocide!

Yonah didn’t recall studying the commandment to utterly destroy Amalek in 1 Samuel 15:1-29. That’s the sole example of that expression in the entire Tanach. Netanyahu insisted we remember it in his UN speech.

Yonah said that 50 years ago it had nothing to do with Amalek, but never offered an alternative meaning. He allowed it may have taken on an additional meaning in the last 50 years, since he had last attended a Yeshiva.

Mooser had commented on the subjects of rape or sodomy, and the Kristol article, then apologized for his lack of religious education and asked Yonah “How much do I need to suppress my disgust with murder, theft, and sexual perversion to be a good Jew?”

Rather than “dance a Hora” as Yonah suggested, I noted: 1) several Torah and Talmudic examples of Israeli social acceptance of the use of rape as a weapon of war or genocide. So, I didn’t pull that out of thin air (see also the Jonathan Ofir article Understanding the mindset behind Israel’s usage of rape as a weapon of genocide) and 2) Mel Brooks core career philosophy of using satire and sarcasm to discredit religious bigotry and authoritarianism.

Yonah claimed that the use of the expression by both the Maharal to name a book, and by Rabbi Yisroel Zev Gustman to name a Yeshiva had no connection to Amalek, without any explanation.

God has sworn that He will have war with Amalek from generation to generation (Shemot 17:16). The Maharal and others redefined the “Nezah Israel lo yeshaker” and “Amalek” in Talmudic usage. It means Jewish heretics or Gentiles who disobey the Noahide Laws. See also: etzion.org Amalek: The First Postmodern Ideology Gustman used Amalek that way with Germans and Arabs.

Note: the literal text of the written Torah does not state that Noah told anyone they couldn’t have idols. See Seven Laws of Noah, Noah died roughly 2 to 58 years before Abraham was even born. The first mention or allusion to idols or teraphim in the Bible is in Genesis 31:19, when Rachel steals her father Laban’s household gods.

Even more confusing, is the fact that Zohar Chadash Parshas Noach 28b states that the only reason God destroyed the world in Noah’s day, was because he was waiting for Noah to intercede. God said Noah was a bad shepherd, because he didn’t ask.

So like Noah, Samuel was mistaken to invoke “Nezah Israel lo yeshaker” as justification to refuse Saul’s request and never asked on Saul’s behalf for God’s forgiveness. YMMV.

Cause success is subject to public opinion… votes by those who ultimately control the purse. Why millions are being spent to characterize Palestinian intentions.

Yes, the warriors for greater Israel are not afraid. They intentionally want Israelis to be afraid because it advances objectives. They play the fiddle. Claim self-defense.

Care to explain how you consider I perpetrate crimes.

RE: “And there you go again, Brent… your pathetic DARVO response is to bring up Mondoweiss’s T-shirt and tote-bag campaign.” ~ Ellenberg

■ Google AI Overview of DARVO

DARVO is an acronym for Deny, Attack, and Reverse Victim and Offender. It describes a manipulative defense strategy used by perpetrators to dodge accountability when confronted about harmful or abusive behavior.
Psychologist Jennifer Freyd first identified and named the concept in 1997.

The Three Steps of DARVO

• Deny: The person flatly denies that the wrongdoing or event ever happened, or minimizes the harm caused (e.g., “That never happened” or “You’re overreacting”).
• Attack: Instead of addressing the issue, the person attacks the character, sanity, or motives of the person raising the concern (e.g., “You’re crazy,” “You’re a liar,” or “You just want to ruin me”).
• Reverse Victim and Offender: The perpetrator flips the script, claiming they are the actual victim and that the person who was originally hurt is the true aggressor (e.g., “You are abusing me with these false accusations”).

Why It Happens

• Evasion of Responsibility: It lets the offender bypass guilt, shame, or legal/social consequences.
• Power and Control: It forces the victim into a defensive posture, shifting focus away from the original offense.
• Confusion and Gaslighting: It makes the victim question their own memory, sanity, and perception of reality, often ending with the victim apologizing to the offender

P.S. DARVO at Wikipedia ~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARVO

“An article discusses Israel’s repeated ceasefire violations and Ilan Pappé’s argument that portraying Palestinians as inherently irrational and intransigent has helped shield Israel from accountability…”
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Why it is a fundamental Palestinian interest for intentions to be more broadly understood … especially because greater Israel regularly characterizes “free of Jews” intention as the basis for self-defense.

Do you not see this being a PR liability?

1 of 2 to answer others.

Jonathan Ofir correctly described 1 Samuel 15:29 as an “obscure verse from the Bible: “Nezah Israel lo yeshaker,” or “the eternity of Israel will not falter.” The line is sometimes translated as “the eternal one of Israel shall not lie.” Either way, readers unversed in the Bible will no doubt find all of this vague. But Netanyahu’s followers in the national-religious camp know exactly what he’s referring to — and it’s a genocidal dog whistle.”

Yonah criticized Ofir for misrepresenting Samuel’s only possible meaning and the unequivocal divine mitzvah to smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that is his.” See: 1 Samuel 15:1-29 — Chabad

He wrote: Mr. Ofir, when the Maharal named one of his books Netzach Yisrael, was that also referring to Amalek? When Rabbi Yisroel Zev Gustman named his yeshiva Netzach Yisroel, was that also referring to Amalek? The answer is: No. and “Your assumption that this is a dog whistle for Amalek might be true because I have not hung out in yeshivas in close to 50 years and maybe it has become a dog whistle in the last 50 years, but it would require more than just its source in Samuel I to prove that this is something other than a concoction of your own mind.”  

In fact the phrase “Nezah Yisroel” (נצח ישראל) only occurs in 1 Samuel 15:29 and nowhere else in the Tanach. Its only usage is to smite Amalek and utterly destroy all that is his: men, women, children, oxen, and cattle.

He wrote: Mr. Ellenberg, you’ve never heard the phrase before, but you somehow know why Netanyahu used the phrase. I’ve heard the phrase for some 50 or so years and it is never used to talk about Amalek, but you know better than me.

Mooser noted his lack of religious education and asked Yonah 2) How much do I need to suppress my disgust with murder, theft, and sexual perversion to be a good Jew? Mooser also comment in a long thread that upset jon s when a you identified Edelman for an anonymous account holder. Mooser stated: Hostage, this is outrageous! Jews don’t rape people or kill civilians…Oh, who am I trying to kid.

In yet another thread started by Jrg under Ofir’s column, Mooser noted: “even Yonah admits he hasn’t spent time studying sodomy or anal rape in a Yeshiva for at least the last 50 years.” So, where has he been studying this topic? and Mooser replied in the same thread to Thomasville’s citation of an article about a lawsuit initiated after reading about Kristof’s IDF dog rape.

Note. I haven’t said “drop the slogan”. I have emphasized the imperative for it to be addressed and understood… precisely because it is currently central to the self-defense narrative and central to how so many voters still think. Central to the narrative being constantly reinforced.

Taking this point in the narrative seriously will not fully address the challenge but is only a significant step toward public understanding.

RE: “quoted in Claudia Koonz, The Nazi Conscience” ~ Ellenberg
MY COMMENT: Thanks! I have her book.
The Nazi Conscience ~ https://www.amazon.com/Nazi-Conscience-Claudia-Koonz/dp/0674011724

Did “brent” write this article, or am I missing something?

True enough, but the NYT does run some strong editorials like the one today by Eric Alterman:

AIPAC Has Failed….Unconditional support for Israel was once as common in Congress as the flag pin on a senator’s lapel, largely thanks to the bipartisan efforts of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. Today, in the aftermath of Israel’s bloody war on Gaza, launched in reaction to Hamas’s brutal attacks on Oct. 7, 2023, Israel has reached near-pariah status globally and domestically….Support for Israel is now a millstone around the neck of Democratic politicians and a source of profound inner conflict for American Jews who seek to balance their Zionism with their liberalism….AIPAC was founded by I.L. “Si” Kenen, a former lobbyist for the Israeli Foreign Ministry, in the wake of a 1953 Israeli military massacre of 69 Palestinians in a village called Qibya. … The U.S. State Department consistently tried to pressure Israel to take a more generous attitude toward the roughly 750,000 Palestinians it had expelled before and during its war of independence — what Palestinians call the Nakba, or “catastrophe”— but were stymied in part by the political opposition AIPAC’s predecessor helped engender….When former Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin attempted to make peace with the Palestinians in the early 1990s, AIPAC only grudgingly supported the cause. While its leaders did not openly undermine the peace process, they did independently lobby for legislation that complicated the negotiations, such as a bill calling on the Clinton administration to move the American Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem….

Opinion | This Is How AIPAC Lost Its Way – The New York Times

…And more Anti-Jewish propaganda from Hostage…

Listen very carefully, brent. I shall say this only once.

The Israeli narrative about “from the river to the sea” is a pack of lies. It is not for the Palestinians to drop the phrase; it is for people like you to start challenging the hasbara that demonises it.

I skimmed through the article. With such articles in the NYT, it pays to look at the Reader Picks in the Comments section. The top 20 comments are uniformly hostile to AIPAC. The Old Gray Lady needs to pay more attention to what its readers think these days.

And there you go again, Brent. An article discusses Israel’s repeated ceasefire violations and Ilan Pappé’s argument that portraying Palestinians as inherently irrational and intransigent has helped shield Israel from accountability: And your pathetic DARVO response is to bring up Mondoweiss’s T-shirt and tote-bag campaign.

As usual the historical argument goes unaddressed, but the slogan gets another round of scrutiny. Just as the Palestinian “endgame” must perpetually be clarified, Palestinian political messaging must perpetually be explained, defended, or sanitised while Israel’s actual conduct and political endgame remain conspicuously underexamined.

Do you ever engage with the substance of the argument, or is “From the river to the sea” simply your preferred escape hatch whenever the discussion turns to Israeli responsibility?

Pappé’s point is precisely that this fixation on Palestinian intentions and rhetoric can obscure the reality of Israeli actions. Your response is a rather telling illustration of the very dynamic he describes.

At some point, Brent, one has to wonder whether you’re analysing the argument in front of you at all or so detached from the reality it describes that you keep mistaking a slogan for the central issue.

I’ve just read this article by the estimable Gideon Levy. The settlers are in full paramilitary mode.

Okay, I’ve had enough popcorn watching this discussion.

Here’s my question for you, Hostage: You claimed, “Let’s begin by pointing out that even Yonah admits he hasn’t spent time studying sodomy or anal rape in a Yeshiva for at least the last 50 years.”

What do you mean by that, and how did you arrive at this conclusion? Please make a short, concise argument.

I’m asking because it seemed to me, and certainly to others, that you pulled that statement out of thin air and intended it as an insult.

My second question is: Was it necessary?

jon s: “… condemns a Jew who killed a Nazi during the Holocaust . Unbeleivable.”

Is this like condemning a Palestinian who killed a Zionist during the ongoing Nakba?

Brent, as we can see, you must be relentlessly dismantling the ridiculous Hasbara talking point that the Palestinian endgame remains unclear: reminding everyone that the State of Palestine was declared in 1988, that the PLO recognised Israel in 1993, and that even Hamas has described a Palestinian state on the 1967 lines as a formula of national consensus.

All this while Netanyahu rejects Palestinian statehood, the Greater Israel project advances, and Likud’s platform rejects Palestinian sovereignty west of the Jordan River. Add to that the UN Commission of Inquiry’s conclusion that Israel has committed genocide (4 out of 5 points in the convention) in Gaza, alongside settler violence and the forced displacement of Palestinians in the West Bank.

Surely, with all that evidence on the table, it would be absurd to keep pretending that the Palestinian endgame is the great unanswered question.

And anyone who instead keeps demanding clarity about the Palestinian endgame while evading scrutiny of Israel’s own is doing Hasbara’s DARVO work for it: shifting responsibility onto Palestinians, making their self-determination something they must continually justify, and deflecting attention from the Israeli policies actively foreclosing it.

Pretty idiotic and pathetic and quite the opposite of what you’re doing, of course, Brent.

Re? Do you want Phil Weiss/MW editors to censor & ban Hostage from posting on MW?

No he wants Mondoweiss to stop publishing any articles on the subject and anyone else who notices when he is one of the public examples: Israeli media coverage of the rape of Palestinian detainees demonstrates the widespread acceptance within Israeli society of sexual violence as a weapon of genocide

Of course the mitzvah was never limited to one WWII German soldier. The mitzvah still applies to his non-combatant children and other Germans too. I don’t condemn an act of self-defense, just turning the occasion into a post-hoc endorsement of a much wider race war by the head of a yeshiva, then Yonah acting like none of it ever happened.

Once again you ask us to watch a video about crimes we all agree were possibly committed on October 7th. But we’ve been demanding an independent criminal investigation for that ever since day one when Israeli video revealed many members of the IDF deliberately opened fire on their own people and the entire region to prevent hostages from being taken alive. You once again are refusing to even address how many were murdered or wounded by the IDF. See: The Hannibal Directive Was Activated On Oct. 7th. How Many Israelis Did It Kill? FULL VIDEO, Zeteo

I’m still waiting for you to comment on Kahanist beliefs embedded in standard orthodox yeshiva doctrine contained in the Dinah: Midrash and Aggadah and Rashi’s explanation of Halakhah in The Beautiful Captive. That and the hypocritical Dinah Project application of it is what Mooser and I were ridiculing. Donald correctly found it to be bizarre, but doesn’t understand that 21st Century Orthodox Judaism is bizarre on the subject of God allowing their soldiers to have non-consensual sex with enemy captives, but demanding mass murder and destruction of entire communities, if even one instance of rape happens to them – despite the condemnation and example set by Jacob.

I notice you, Yonah, and Jrg still haven’t condemned the real price tag attacks and graffiti on Churches, Mosques and congregations in Israel, Palestine, and Lebanon.

Re: More Anti-Jewish propaganda from Hostage.

No, I’m just pointing out facts you don’t like. Atheist and religious Zionists reclaimed a lost “birthright” to Palestine. Spinoza and others admitted it was taken them forever in accordance with the curses contained in the original covenant pronounced on Mount Ebal – and neither God nor a Messiah had given them a new one to take its place. The Mondoweiss editors are free to post or delete my content if they want. That material is actually not new and is already available online even from other Jewish content providers.

Zionists nonetheless claimed borders to a very large country they identified as “Palestine”. The “Torah” didn’t give any “birthright ” to us Atheists in the first place. It said God had given all of the Land of the Canaanites to Abraham and his kinsmen. It prohibited Jacob from ever claiming so much as a footstep in the portions allotted to Lot and Esau. God was displeased with Moses, Aaron, an Miriam and never promised them any land. Zionists wanted the Powers to establish a national home for them in Palestine anyway.

It was already inhabited by people that modern science established share more than 50 percent of their DNA with ancient Canaanites and the modern Jews. Those are your countrymen – and Jews share the same ancient Canaanite DNA. Leviticus 19:17-18 said: You shall not hate your kinsfolk in your heart. Reprove your kinsman but incur no guilt because of him. You shall not take vengeance or bear a grudge against your countrymen. Love your fellow as yourself: I am the LORD. Full Stop.

Sabbatai Zvi was a Jew. He did not become an “Ishmaelite”. Palestinians are indigenous peoples, they are your countrymen, not “Ishmaelites”. Your cult opposed and persecuted followers of the Judean Christian, Mandaean, Karaite, and Samaritan sectarians. They each taught that “God” obviously did not create the Kabbalah, the Talmud, or the doctrines taught in yeshivas. You deliberately refuse to include Palestinians in your birthright group in order to steal from them, dispossess and murder them.

You are just distracting from that with more mock outrage. I’m only quoting what contemporary opposing Jewish sources have always had to say about false religious doctrines that are employed to shed innocent blood, murder, abuse and subjugate the neighbors, rob and pillage our kinsmen’s widows and orphans that each side has made.

I’ll just repeat the fact you never observe apartheid, which is a crime of persecution and a crime against humanity that you help perpetrate every day.

You certainly are making excuses. So stop openly condoning, trivializing, and denying on-going mass atrocities and apartheid all the time while it is happening. Once again we can condemn you and point out what you are doing. Israelis have a statutory framework that drives out Palestinians. They and are not committing mass atrocities because they are afraid. You did not even miss a beat and just ignored and covered up what was actually going on. We don’t have to follow you down that rabbit hole. Respond and publicly speak out against that statute and stop blaming the victims when they demand freedom.

‘You’re Going to Die, You Dog’: How Settlers Took a Palestinian Lawyer Captive and Terrorized Him

A young Palestinian lawyer is driving out of town from his office in Nablus in order to deal with an administrative matter. Immediately his life is in danger. Apparently West Bank settlers no longer make do these days with torching fields and houses, plundering crops and killing farmers – now they are also highwaymen. Armed ones, it should be said, who not only steal money and credit cards with which they try to make fraudulent purchases, but also abuse their victims physically to the verge of lynching them.

Israeli settlers and soldiers prevented Palestinian farmers from harvesting their olive groves across the West Bank on Friday, in some cases driving them out, with one IDF soldier filmed saying: “This is a Jewish state, and Jews have a right to everything here before Arabs, whether you like it or not.” — Israeli Settlers, IDF Soldiers Prevent Palestinian Olive Harvest Across West Bank Haaretz

Once again: Hostage condemns a Jew who killed a Nazi during the Holocaust .
Unbeleivable.

Thank you for replying and showing where you stand.

Observations, not excuses. Perinate, and I believe sensical. Much so I fear. Make your case.

The foremost talking point hasbara puts forth is Palestinians don’t want co-existence but do want to kill Israelis…. who are simply acting in self defense.

This undermines self-determination because some voters buy in. Consider many voters don’t follow the details and follow preconceived notions.

“brent”, I can see you got mixed up when you posted that. Happens sometimes. Maybe you could correct it.

“God himself acts Sua sponte”

  And I thought a lousy 15 I.Q. points was all I got out of the deal. Well, it got me near 100 anyway.

No, the Israelis have an apartheid statute that prevents indigenous Palestinians, who happen to live in occupied territory, from residing with a Jewish spouse in Israel. They can remain separated or live together under military occupation. The statute is Citizenship and Entry into Israel Law (Temporary Order) (originally enacted in 2003 and repeatedly extended). The Israelis know all about that situation. They send Jews to reside in occupied Palestine every day. You are condoning, trivializing, any denying apartheid all the time. Why do constantly insisting we follow you on a snipe hunt. Stop inventing nonsensical excuses;

No, the Geneva Convention and Hague regulations applied during WWII and any one suspected of being an Amalekite. FYI, during the 1944 Warsaw Uprising, the Polish Home Army (Armia Krajowa) and Resistance groups captured more than 2,000 German soldiers and officers. Insurgents set up makeshift prisoner-of-war (POW) camps within Warsaw—such as in the basement of the PKO building on Świętokrzyska Street and later in the former Hollywood cinema building. There was nothing Pro-Nazi about that. Soldiers and officers who were not implicated in specific war crimes were generally treated according to the Geneva Convention. They were often put to work building barricades and clearing rubble. Those that were accused were tried by court martial and executed. See for example Warsaw 1944: Hitler, Himmler, and the Warsaw Uprising

It is not anti-Jewish to point out that the Dinah Project was named after a biblical example of deceit, mass murder and destruction that was still remembered and condemned by the Patriarch Jacob on his death bed:

“And Jacob said to Simeon and Levi, “You have troubled me, to discredit me among the inhabitants of the land, among the Canaanites and among the Perizzites.”

Your country is not wildly popular right now for the very same reasons. Take the hint. What would Jacob make of the likes of you? Simeon and Levi violated the human rights of an entire community in exactly the same fashion the corrupt, racist officials, the IDF, and you have done. You constantly propagandize and promote the collective punishment, murder, and wanton destruction of the whole population and 115 square miles of Gaza. The rest of mankind thinks we have had enough of that. There is nothing anti-Jewish or antisemetic about it.

I’m condemning the xenophobic and boastful supremacist claim that God mandated the extermination of the entire population of any ethnic group of humans beings during the Bronze Age or WWII. If the Rabbi needed to kill an enemy in self defense thats permitted. But thousands of Germans were captured, disarmed, questioned for intellegence, and held as prisoners. Preaching afterward that he fulfilled a divine commandment to destroy Amalek is the very same race war philosophy conducted by the other villans, Eichmann and the Waffen SS.

The idea that a God of war exists and had any thing to do with a divine obligation to serve in the IDF and lay down your life to invade other countries and massacre refugees anywhere else repugnant.

General announcement: in Feb 2027 a new book will be available:

Amazon.com: Anti-Palestinianism: 9781324134800: Makdisi, Ussama, Makdisi, Saree: Books

“Anti-Palestinianism” by Ussama Makdisi and Saree Makdisi. From Amazon:
For decades, the voices of Palestinians and those who advocate for Palestinian rights have been stifled―if not outright silenced―in the United States, according to scholars Ussama Makdisi and Saree Makdisi. More recently, activists have been arrested by federal agents merely for writing op-eds, while pro-Palestinian speech in universities as well as media and civic institutions has faced an unprecedented crackdown. How are we to understand this intolerance in the supposed land of the free?

In Anti-Palestinianism, the Makdisis, two of the most prominent Palestinian American scholars in the United States, argue that the phenomenon is not reducible to Islamophobia or to general anti-Arab animus. Rather, they show that anti-Palestinianism constitutes a distinct form of bias rooted in the specific historical and political circumstances of Palestine and Israel―it is an attempt to deny the Palestinian story altogether through an unprecedented system of assumptions, norms, rules, and even laws. Drawing on a vast array of historical examples, the Makdisis have produced an essential work that gives language and clarity to the limits of American inclusion.

“Israel successfully framed the pre-emptive attacks as a matter of national survival….For Israeli historian Ilan Pappé, a misaligned view of the Palestinian liberation movement played an important role in shielding Israel from accountability. “Whether leftist and secular or Islamist in nature, the Western perception was that they were already guilty of “irrational” and “intransigent” behaviour,” he told Mondoweiss. 
This distorted perception permitted Israel to perpetually frame Palestinians as the aggressors….”
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Mondoweiss would serve the cause with its view of the tee/tote campaign.

“Israel successfully framed the pre-emptive attacks [ of the 1967 war ] as a matter of national survival. Years later, Menachem Begin, who went on to become Prime Minister, admitted that there was no proof of an incoming attack, yet maintained that “This was a war of self-defense in the noblest sense of the term.” 

The popular perception of the 1967 war is that Israel was about to be attacked and in order to survive the Jewish State needed to pre-emptively destroy its enemies. But any history written by a professional historian** shows this to be nonsense. From Rachid Khalidi’s “The Hundred Year War on Palestine”, page 97:

…Lyndon Johnson knew otherwise. When Abba Eban, Israel’s foreign minister, told Johnson at a meeting in Washington DC on May 26 that Egypt was about to launch an attack. the president asked his secretary of defense, Robert McNamara***, to set the record straight. Three separate intelligence groups had looked carefully into the matter, McNamara said, “and it was our best judgement that an attack was not imminent.”” “All of our intelligence people are unanimous,” Johnson added, that if Egypt were to attack, “you would whip the hell out of them:. ….Five years after the 1967 war, five Israeli generals echoed the U.S. assessment, stating in different venues that Israel was not imperiled by annihilation. ( footnote )…

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also see Mythologies Without End: The US, Israel, and the Arab-Israeli Conflict, 1917-2026by Jerome Slater.

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a truly awful human being, but that’s another story.

“What do you think, RobertB?
Are Hostage’s offensive comments a legitimate part of the discussion?”

I think what you are attempting to do is a bit sleazy! It seems that you are trying to tell/prod MW editors to censor Hostage. Also, you are attempting to solicit commenters/readers to join in your sleazy indirect requests to speak out against Hostage. It ain’t going to happen!

Hostage is a person of integrity, honesty, compassion and with ethical principles.

Your attempts at trying to smear, vilify, denigrate Hostage won’t work. If you disagree with his comments/posts, then debate & refute them. Try to prove to him that he is wrong.

More Anti-Jewish propaganda from Hostage, with a pro-Nazi slant. Condemning a Jew who killed a Nazi during the Holocaust.

What do you think, RobertB?
Are Hostage’s offensive comments a legitimate part of the discussion?