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  • JWalters JWalters, January 20, 2019, 10:10 PM
    Henry Norr, thanks for your vivid testimony on your personal experience. I hope you get to testify to a Senate committee investigating this matter. I agree the blanket of silence has not yet ended, and my referring to it as being in the past was inaccurate. And I agree completely with your characterization of the silence as "lies". I also agree with your assessment of who has been behind this blanket of silence and lies. On that point I would go deeper though, reflecting a lot of information that is now available online e.g. http://warprofiteerstory.blogspot.com I was trying to be cautious in raising these questions because in the past MW moderators have been reluctant to allow comments that go into that area. They probably saw them as diversions from the strategic topic of the moment. I'm very glad you took my question and gave a solid whack at the topic. And glad the moderators allowed it. Thank you.


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  • oldgeezer oldgeezer, January 20, 2019, 9:56 PM
    @aze Why does anything need to be done? Are you saying they are unwilling to live in an actual democracy with majority rule and equality protections for minorities? That is what is being rejected in favour of a false majority supremacy. If you are serious i am sure I and others are willing to engage but the period of history when minorities accepted second class status is long over.


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  • RoHa RoHa, January 20, 2019, 8:59 PM
    "Number of countries by religion" How many of those countries officially proclaim themselves to be Christian states, and legislate that right to exercise national self-determination in the state is unique to the Christian people? (We do know that one of them elevates rabbis to the House of Lords.) And since we are counting countries by religion, how many Sikh states are there? How many Baha'i or Tenrikyo states? How many Cao Dai states?


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  • RoHa RoHa, January 20, 2019, 8:49 PM
    "Cohen is well meaning and can pressured one imagines by a principled argument and Farrakhan must anathematised… why is that?" You know why.


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  • RoHa RoHa, January 20, 2019, 8:41 PM
    "If it is to be Palestine from the river to the sea, what is to be done – humanely – with the 6 or so million Israeli Jews currently living on that land: push them into the sea?" That is an issue that people on this site do grapple with. The general view is that those Jews would be equal citizens of Palestine. Most of us recognize that there is a lot of hostility between Jews and Palestinians Arabs, and suggest some form of reconciliation work is necessary. But, thanks to your suggestion, I'll try to work out a way that the Jews can be humanely pushed into the sea.


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  • RoHa RoHa, January 20, 2019, 8:34 PM
    "The “destruction of a state” in no way necessitates violence." Indeed. The destruction of Czechoslovakia in 1993 involved no violence that I noticed. The destruction of East Germany was similarly peaceful.


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  • annie annie, January 20, 2019, 8:31 PM
    catalan, i can't think of a person who comments here who has written more autobiographical comments than yourself. i could i have missed you grew up in a poor european country for 24 years. was it worse off than gaza? just curious.


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  • RoHa RoHa, January 20, 2019, 8:29 PM
    "Israel/Palestine cannot be understood, nor the situation resolved, without reference to empire." Perhaps she does not agree with that assessment, but, even if she does, she has only a column to make her most important points. She also has to take into account the possibility that her readers might not agree with your assessment, while still being open to persuasion on the issue of Palestinian rights. A narrow focus is the right thing to do here. She can write essays about Israel/Palestine in the context of empire and neoliberal globalization later.


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  • John Douglas John Douglas, January 20, 2019, 8:25 PM
    Re: The Power of the Lobby. Ayanna Pressley, the new Congresswoman from Massachusetts was forced to humble herself after she quoted a line of poetry, having nothing to do with Palestine/Israel, from Alice Walker. She apologized for associating herself with Walker, and claimed ignorance of Alice Walker's purported anti-Semitism. https://www.jcrcboston.org/news/jcrc-in-the-news/


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  • gamal gamal, January 20, 2019, 8:24 PM
    Alice Walker, Angela Davis, Rashida Tlaib, Ilhan Omar and Ms. Mallory, you have to salute the courage of these women, especially given how hysterical the backlash is always going to be, when do you think some guys are going to step up...but Take Robert Cohen in comparison to Farrakhan, Cohen is well meaning and can pressured one imagines by a principled argument and Farrakhan must anathematised... why is that?


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  • catalan catalan, January 20, 2019, 8:22 PM
    “you never lived in that poor country right? “ I grew up in the poor country. 24 years. As to your New Mexico bona fides I have lived here for 12 years including quite a few working for a government.


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  • annie annie, January 20, 2019, 8:20 PM
    This is good, we are making progress. happy now catalan. your sadistic inflammatory rhetoric is paying off. What are we talking about, in plain English? oh now you want plain english? done with mockingly claiming everyone is quite satisfied with the genocide taking place?


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  • lonely rico lonely rico, January 20, 2019, 8:16 PM
    Thanks Misterioso. I have now read this heartbreaking book, encourage everyone who is interested in the Palestinian question to read it too. From a short review of Forrest’s book: The Unholy Land by A. C. Forrest. Review by: John P. Richardson. Source: Middle East Journal, Vol. 27, No. 1 (Winter, 1973) The most significant consideration about Dr. A. C. Forrest's The Unholy Land is not its bluntness in telling the less heard story of the Palestine refugees but rather the fact that it became a best-seller in Canada, where Dr. Forrest is editor of the United Church Observer. The book's success was aided by a certain notoriety gained following published accounts of a large bookstore chain's attempt to boycott it because of the subject matter. The Unholy Land is predominantly an account of Dr. Forrest's travels and observations in the Middle East during several extended visits following the 1967 war. He readily concedes that his experiences caused him to change his views: ". . . I believe that Israel carries great responsibility for the present situation; and that it is Israel which could, with honor, take the initial steps that could lead to peace" (p. viii). The most vivid parts of the book deal with the Palestine refugees: their current status, their origins and their possible future. Dr. Forrest's plea for justice for the Palestine refugees is coupled with the conviction that it must not be accomplished without regard to legitimate rights of the Israelis. This focus on the human factor at the core of the Palestine problem makes The Unholy Land a compelling document, despite the fact that its twenty-five chapters, ranging from 2-12 pages each, result in an uneven pace. Dr. Forrest has included all too brief chapters on complex subjects such as Islam and Israel in international law. Dr. Forrest closes with an appeal that might be more easily taken up in subjects other than the Middle East: a plea that Westerners, particularly Western Christians, more assiduously and courageously search out the facts on both sides of the Palestine question. Forrest was pilloried by the lovers of Israel/Zionism because he “assiduously and courageously search(ed) out the facts on both sides of the Palestinian question.” A lovely irony that their censure contributed to the book’s success.


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  • annie annie, January 20, 2019, 8:15 PM
    I am not religious and to be honest simply don’t understand anything you say about “identity”. lol! did you forget about an immigrant Jew from the poorest country in Europe who works for a living how is that not pulling the identity card? you're using your supposed dna (again) for sympathy. you never lived in that poor country right? you're Arab/Italian/Jewish? and speaking of new mexico, my mom was raised there, grandfather has a historic district in albuguerque named after him near old town, which he helped build. he built some gorgeous sections of town. my son was born at the holy cross in toas and his father raised there. i probably have more new mexico bonafides than you'll ever have. just thought i'd mention.


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  • mondonut mondonut, January 20, 2019, 8:10 PM
    What a ridiculous straw man argument. The only conceivable destruction of a state involves massive bloodshed? Which incidentally, no attempt was made to disprove. As if "regime" change could be accomplished without bloodshed. The goal if BDS, of of most Palestinian supporters, including the vast majority of commentators here - is the elimination of the state of Israel in its entirety. That is indisputable. See how easy that is? Simply change destruction to elimination and it all becomes entirely correct.


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  • Nathan Nathan, January 20, 2019, 8:09 PM
    Mr Gurvitz tells us that "the goal is one state, a democratic one..." However, whenever I read a BDS website, I learn that "the BDS movement does not advocate for a particular solution to the conflict and does not call for either a 'one state solution' or a 'two state solution'." (See https://bdsmovement.net/faqs#collapse16233 ). At first glimpse, it would seem that there is a contradiction between the goals of the movement as understood by Mr Gurvitz and the goals of the movement as presented in the website that I came across. However, at second thought, there isn't a contradiction at all. Neither Mr Gurvitz nor the BDS website has stated that the issue at hand is a solution to the conflict. Mr Gurvitz doesn't even use the term "solution" in the entire article; and the BDS website does not call for a one-state or a two-state solution. It doesn't call for a solution, period. No one promises that meeting the demands of the BDS Movement would mean that the conflict would come to its end (and it would be solved). Propaganda is tricky business. The propagandist has to make a statement that is understood by the wider public as being fair and reasonable, but at the same time this statement cannot make a promise that will anger those who are already committed to the ideology. So, by saying that the movement doesn't call for a one-state solution or a two-state solution, one leaves the impression on the wider public that the issue at hand is some sort of a solution to the conflict (although it's not yet clear right now which solution it should be). But, in reality, those committed to the struggle understand that no solution is being offered. It would be a breath of fresh air to hear that the issue at hand is solving the conflict. Sadly, the anti-Israel crowd doesn't envision a solution. It aspires to achieve victory, to defeat Israel. Since Israel manages to handle the conflict very well, it seems that those who can't propose a solution will have to continue to live with the consequences of an unresolved and endless conflict (although, admittedly, their propaganda is brilliant).


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  • eljay eljay, January 20, 2019, 8:05 PM
    || catalan: This is good, we are making progress. So my actions – I am assuming my comments here – will result in “blowback” for the rest of the Jews. What are we talking about, in plain English? ... || I have no idea what form blowback might take. And I find disturbing your pleasure in anticipating it.


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  • annie annie, January 20, 2019, 8:03 PM
    echi, checking out your link now. it seems everyone is satisfied with the the current situation. You think you are “winning” so you think these are scare quotes? whatever, i find it to be an excruciatingly sadistic mocking form of argument while a genocide is being carried out.


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  • Bumblebye Bumblebye, January 20, 2019, 7:54 PM
    Israel is presently bombing Damascus again. They fly over Lebanon, release their bombs and turn back. And they didn't give a damn about the passenger jet coming in to land. They are trying to get Russia and US up against each other. Totally insane.


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  • Mayhem Mayhem, January 20, 2019, 7:51 PM
    @eljay, so you can say "Zionists – like all supremacists – are truly hateful and immoral people" but there would be yells of Islamophobia if someone says all Muslims hate Jews. Once again MW demonstrates wilful double standards.


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  • annie annie, January 20, 2019, 7:43 PM
    not just comfort the afflicted but to ‘afflict the comfortable' everything, exactly! thank you danaa, you know how to say everything so well.


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  • Misterioso Misterioso, January 20, 2019, 7:39 PM
    And from north of the border: https://ricochet.media/en/2479/why-i-no-longer-donate-to-the-jewish-national-fund "Why I no longer donate to the Jewish National Fund" by Matthew Gindin, Jan. 17/19, the richochet. "My pushke is still somewhere in my house, but I will no longer be putting coins in it." "Until a few years ago I had a pushke (Yiddish for “little charity box”) for the Jewish National Fund in every house I lived in, as did most of my relatives. The little blue and white box, which usually features imagery of tree planting or the map of the modern state of Israel, is for most Jews a ubiquitous, heartwarming symbol and an iconic feature of modern Jewish life. "'What is the meaning of the blue box?' one version of the pushke has written on its side. 'It is not just a simple container with an unusual message. Small as it is, it stands for a big idea—for one of the greatest partnerships the world has ever known—that of the Jewish people everywhere with the land of Israel.' "For the average Jew, the JNF is most strongly associated with planting trees. When I was a child going to a Jewish day school, I was told that where Israel is now there had before been desert, and the JNF had been instrumental in filling it with trees. Then, as now, Jewish children had trees in Israel dedicated in their name, and schools connected donating towards tree-planting in Israel with both Zionism and messages of ecological stewardship. "There is no question that the JNF has been a force for the greening of Israel, yet for years it has been dogged by accusations of enacting discriminatory policies that aid in the dispossession and disempowerment of Palestinians. More recently it has been accused of directly funding the Israeli army, an activity that is illegal for a Canadian charity. The JNF has also been criticized for its funding of settlements in the occupied territories. Although the organization still enjoys broad support in the Canadian Jewish community, the wind may be changing. "Financial support for Israeli military "In 2017 a complaint was filed with the Canada Revenue Agency, supported by Independent Jewish Voices Canada, a human rights group focused on advocacy for Palestinians. “'JNF Canada works in violation of the Income Tax Act and in contravention of Canadian foreign policy in various ways,' says the complaint. "It alleges that JNF Canada supports initiatives that are intended to benefit the Israeli military. In addition to its philanthropic and land development plans in Israel, JNF Canada has funded infrastructure projects on Israeli army, air, and naval bases. "According to the CRA [Canada Revenue Agency], funding intended to increase the 'effectiveness and efficiency' of a foreign military cannot be tax-deductible. "The CRA also indicates that an organization cannot have charitable status if its actions go against public policy. The 2017 complaint raises the issue of JNF Canada’s involvement in building in the West Bank, which seems to contradict official Canadian foreign policy goals. "According to the website of Global Affairs Canada, 'Israeli settlements in the occupied territories are a violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention. The settlements also constitute a serious obstacle to achieving a comprehensive, just and lasting peace.' "After months of trying to bring the media’s attention to the complaint, Independent Jewish Voices Canada finally got a CBC segment on Jan. 4, bringing the controversy into the mainstream. JNF CEO Lance Davis responded to CBC News with a statement that the organization had stopped funding projects for the Israeli military in 2016 after being informed of the CRA guidance. "But JNF’s history and current activities point to trouble that goes beyond funding infrastructure on army bases, and even beyond funding illegal Jewish settlements. "A troubled history "The JNF was founded at the fifth Zionist Congress in 1901, in Basel, Switzerland. Based on the proposal of a German Jewish mathematician, Zvi Hermann Schapira, its purpose was to buy and cultivate land for Jewish settlement, in what was then Ottoman Palestine, on behalf of the Zionist dream, little more than a fantasy at the time. "By World War II, one million JNF pushkes could be found in Jewish homes around the world. The JNF was instrumental in the founding of the modern city of Tel Aviv and soon became famous for its afforestation efforts. JNF policy is to lease land long-term as opposed to selling it, allowing the organization to retain ultimate control of the land it owns and to position itself as the 'trustee' of the land for the Jewish people. It only leases land to Jews, which allows it to maintain exclusive Jewish control of the land. "Created in 1948, the Israeli state began to sell 'absentee' land to the JNF for development. This land had belonged to Palestinians who fled or were expelled by Israeli soldiers during the War of Independence. In the 1950s the administration of large portions of JNF land was transferred to the state, thus creating a situation where a private entity (the JNF) executed discriminatory leases (only for Jews) on lands that were administered by the Israeli state, allowing the state to escape claims of direct civil rights violations. "Although the seized lands had previously belonged to or long been used by Palestinians, they were effectively made property of the Israeli state in the 1950s. In many cases the land had technically belonged to the Ottoman state or to Britain and been lived on by Palestinians, but 'state ownership' was now transferred to the Israeli state and the land was used for Jewish settlement. Often this occurred with the help of the JNF. "After the 1967 war, in which Israel seized control of what are now the occupied territories of East Jerusalem, Gaza, and the West Bank, the JNF began funding projects in the controversial settlements there as well. "Greenwashing "The main projects of the JNF in Israel today are philanthropic and centered on afforestation, the creation of parks and playgrounds for children, and projects that benefit vulnerable members of society. Today the JNF owns 13 per cent of all the land in Israel and brings in some $3 billion a year, most of it from land sales. The Israeli public associates the JNF mostly with forests and parks. “'In many of their parks, they are establishing trails for bicycles. It’s all about leisure, sport, and the healthy life,' says Eitan Bronstein, founder of the Israeli NGO Zochrot, which is dedicated to remembering and documenting the realities of Palestinian life before what Palestinians call the nakba ('destruction'), which occurred during the founding of the Israeli state. “'Yet since the beginning of Israel, the JNF has been involved both in the destruction of Palestinian villages and the building of new Jewish settlements.' "According to Bronstein, the activities of the JNF in Israel constitute a form of 'greenwashing.' Areas that were formally Palestinian villages and lands are reallocated to the JNF and then covered in forests or new Jewish settlements, erasing their former identity. "A signature case of Canadian involvement in this aspect of the JNF’s activities is Canada Park, which was funded by JNF Canada and was built on top of what had previously been Palestinian villages. "David Halton, formerly a foreign correspondent for the CBC, has added his voice to the call to take away JNF Canada’s charitable status. Halton says that Canada Park is built over three Palestinian villages, which he saw in 1967 while covering the Six Day War. “'As a matter of decency and legality,' Halton says on the website stopthejnf.ca, 'the name ‘Canada Park’' should be removed and any further tax deductible donations to it disallowed.” "A country of refuge for all "The JNF has historically enjoyed good relations with the Canadian government, however, and continues to do so. Its 2013 Negev Dinner (named after its efforts to terraform the southern Israeli desert, where there is an ongoing conflict between the Israeli state and indigenous Bedouins) honoured Stephen Harper for his support for Israel. "The JNF 2018 fundraising gala in Vancouver, which I attended as a journalist, also honoured ex-general Doron Almog, who narrowly escaped an arrest on charges of crimes against humanity during a stopover in Britain in 2005, and featured B.C. Lt.-Gov. Janet Austin as a speaker. How likely the audit of the JNF is to reform the organization’s activities in Israel or change its profile in Canada is anybody’s guess. "The truth is that my JNF pushke is still somewhere in my house, a few coins uselessly trapped in it while it sits in a box or drawer. It’s true that the JNF funds some good philanthropic work in Israel, but I would no longer put coins in it, not as long as the organization is in any significant way associated with an unjust version of Zionism or discriminatory policies towards non-Jewish Israelis and Palestinians. "Like a growing number of Jews (most of them, I note with hope, younger than me), I am more likely to give my money to IfNotNow, an anti-occupation organization, or to Rabbis for Human Rights, which works in Israel to bring justice and equal rights for all. If there is a future for Israel that I want to invest in, it’s one that allows the country to be a refuge for Jews as intended, but not for Jews alone.


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  • Danaa Danaa, January 20, 2019, 7:35 PM
    Israel/Palestine is but one aspect of a larger problem. Keith, baby steps are perhaps better than no steps? The Empire - which is, as we know, has entered its declining years is a huge subject. Something you swould know better than many. It's like an onion - the more layers you peel, the more is left to peel. Plus it's a moving target, so naturally it's difficult for some who don't feel versed in foreign policy to offer serious take on the issues. The current kerfuffle with Russia is just the tip of the iceberg. Plus, looking into the Empire's shenanigans, will almost immediately bring up the Deep State, which will in turn start an excursion into global economics. So the lady is a civil rights advocate who comes from the legal direction. Lets give her a little break? just for a while? An aside: where I/P as an aspect of the Empire is all the more complicated because in this case Israel is not even behaving as a "proper" vassal. Sometimes they seem to lead the Empire by the nose. Other times they get swatted down some, only to re-emerge all the more ascerbic and arrogant. I am not sure there has ever been - historically - a similar situation, where it is hard to draw the line between master and minion. the fact that so many neocons are of jewish background, even as neocons in general are the ones advocating brow beating the rest of the world, makes things still more complicated. No wonder only some dare wade into this torrid little pool of intrigue stacked upon and within intrigue, like nested Russian dolls.


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  • Tom Suarez Tom Suarez, January 20, 2019, 7:32 PM
    Thank you, Mr. Gurvitz. Two comments... 1. If we are going to end the Zionist state, IMO we need to stop referring to “51 years of enduring oppression”. Full-fledged Zionist/Israeli oppression began in 1948 (and Zionist oppression, arguably, began decades earlier). Rewinding to 1966 would solve absolutely nothing, and dating the "enduring oppression" to 1967 safeguards the core creation myth of the Israeli state. 2. You say that the goal of BDS is not “the destruction of the State of Israel”, as "the destruction of a state invariably entails a massive bloodshed amongst its residents." Really? A nation-state is a political entity. The “destruction of a state” in no way necessitates violence. But if we are not after the “destruction” of this nation-state (the entity, not the people currently under it), then what is the definition of "Israel" the nation-state? Can a non-Zionist, democratic, secular state, in which everyone is an equal citizen, still "be" that failed settler-colonial experiment?


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  • Henry Norr Henry Norr, January 20, 2019, 7:30 PM
    JWalters , why do you use the past tense when asking about how the "blanket of silence" (actually of lies, IMO - we hear all too much about Israel) "was enforced"? Michelle Alexander just punched a big hole in it, and many others - including Mondoweiss - have done the same over recent years, but that hardly means, unfortunately, that the "blanket" is a thing of the past! As to how it _is_ coordinated, and by whom, I'd suggested that there's no mystery: the answer is Jewish American wealth and power, especially in the media, with some guidance directly from Israel and some assistance, in terms of popular support, from the Christian evangelists. I'll just cite one example I know well: my own firing from the San Francisco Chronicle in 2003, after I wrote just one column about Israel. I had turned it in a early, with a warning to my editors that it was controversial, but this was in the business section of the paper, and the editors there were naive about what we were going to face. They loved the column - didn't at all try to water it down, in fact gave me extra space for it, got the art department to make some color art (a big deal in those days) to attract eyeballs, and so on. But the morning it appeared in print, the head of the San Francisco Jewish Community Relations Council and the Israeli consul were in the publisher's office screaming about it, and I've been told they enlisted some major advertisers to back up their threats. After two weeks of deliberation the bosses decided they couldn't punish me, because the critics couldn't find a single syllable that was inaccurate and because I'd been such a good boy in warning them in advance - they just directed me never to write about the issue ever again. But instantly it was clear that after years as a golden boy at the paper, I was suddenly on the sh*t list, and a few months later they fired me. My participation in protests against the attack on Iraq was the ostensible justification, but it was perfectly clear that it was really a result of that one column about Israel. You can bet the other columnists and reporters at the Chron and probably elsewhere absorbed the lesson my firing was intended to teach.


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  • annie annie, January 20, 2019, 7:16 PM
    looks like i'm late to the party. echi, never heard of /carriage return/ but i will check out your link. it will be interesting if it says it's ok to make up ideas out of whole cloth and attribute them to someone else (placing "you think" in front of them), who did not express those thoughts, using quotemarks no less. anyway, i remain intrigued. it still appears to me as a strawman, arguing against an idea or position someone didn't express. but i would have to review the exchange. it's been a few days. catalan, i wasn't born protestant, my parents for the most part were anti religion (and it was suggested, subtlety, to not reveal that, because religious people would be offended). primarily, anti-christian (my mother had an aversion to the southern baptist religious culture of the south -long story and i think this sentiment was a key point in my father marrying her to ensure his children would not be roped into a childhood of the church, like he had to endure) . so to suggest i was "born Protestant" is completely inaccurate. my siblings and i were not baptized either. an immigrant Jew from the poorest country in Europe who works for a living about what it is to be Jewish here's what i said (italics added): "“The whole religion vs nation debate” being “old and cliched” is more akin to what is jewish, not who is jewish." is this your idea of me explaining to you "what it is to be Jewish"? interesting. i'm sure someone else can fill us in on what the obligations of being part of this nation is. i have no further comment on that topic. btw, just because i don't brag about it non stop like you, i also work for a living, albeit self employed (non mondoweiss related) and quite successful. put myself through college (back when it was cheap, rent too) and wasn't born w/a silver spoon. had just one bicycle my entire childhood (it was too big when it was gifted to me, used, the best bike ever) and like my siblings, got 2 pairs of new shoes every fall before school opened. i always felt lucky but know very well what it means to work hard. iow, your violin routine doesn't impress me.


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  • Bumblebye Bumblebye, January 20, 2019, 7:14 PM
    aze, odd how several of the other supposedly hated countries you named *have* sanctions against them, the biggest is in a trade war with the US, and one has a far right government - but is 'besties' with far right israel! Why can't we campaign for BDS against all israel's illegal and downright evil actions? Our governments should stop turning a blind eye.


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  • catalan catalan, January 20, 2019, 7:04 PM
    “it means that all Jews will eventually suffer blowback for the actions of hateful and immoral Zionists like you, sure, Jews are "doomed"” eljay This is good, we are making progress. So my actions - I am assuming my comments here - will result in “blowback” for the rest of the Jews. What are we talking about, in plain English? Shootings at synagogues and JCCs by lone wolf types? Or are you saying that the American government will intern me over my comments here? Or are you talking about some kind of organized militia violence against Jews? I am having a hard time imagining American society with its myriad problems and 350 million people (probably 500 million within my lifetime) worrying so much about either Jews or Palestinians but I am open to surprises.


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  • Danaa Danaa, January 20, 2019, 6:29 PM
    Annie, I think one key point in DrJaye's remark was this the average Jewish person. WE all know them - they are our neighbors, colleagues, family members and friends. They know "something bad" is happening in Israel and to Israel, but they don't want to even raise the issue. I speak of well over 80% of the people who are and/or who identify as having jewish heritage in the US (and needless to say, much the same is true of perhaps a similar 80% of the general non-Jewish population). People have lives. They have worries. They have challenges. Most say they have little time for what is euphemistically labeled "politics". Which is a [mis]nomer for anything people may potentially disagree about and/or is bound to raise "controversy". Naturally the israel/palestine thingy falls under the rubric of "politics". While it is perfectly understandable that most people have no time for - mental or physical (or, rather, they don't put time aside) for "politics", I'd say that there are situations where some engagement in part of this "politics" is, in fact, essential. As in essential to individual well-being as well as the collective one. Jews are brought up for a very simple reason - they have an [obvious] dog in this fight. As in a big, bad, menacing dog. They cannot and should not turn away from it, because it is a threat to all the values they hold dear. The evil that israel has and is becoming is a boomerang bound to reflect on all who share any kinship with people who live in that part of the world. It may be far, but it is also near. In this case, for all too many the "personal is political" line is all too true. Just as much as the reverse "the political is personal". By the same token, I'd level the same "J'accuse" at the Christians and especially christian zionists. They are very much part of the battle that's being wage for their own souls - which, being fundamentalists, is presumably important to them. IT will not do to let them off the hook. IT will not do to let the likes Of Cruz to keep bablling incoherently about "our ally, who shares our values". And frankly it won't do for the many non-Jews who "acquired" a "dog in the fight' by virtue of marrying into a jewish family. They too are now part of the campaign to save this country's values, or what's left of them. The real ally of the killers of Palestinians is silence. Silence because to speak up is to go to an uncomfortable place. I also happen to believe that it is our duty - all of ours - Jewish and not - to not just comfort the afflicted but to 'afflict the comfortable" (somebody said that once, supposedly, no?). Silence of many "average" people, who nonetheless know "something'. Enough to turn away from the subject. I know how much criticism was directed at the Germans of the 30's for "being silent" while bad things were raging all around them. For letting fascism take hold in their country. For ignoring what was said about "inferior races" and untermenschen. That much maligned "ordinary German" - that's what our friends, families, colleagues and neighbors risk becoming, once history's verdict is in. To counter that risk we all have to do things that are not comfortable and even risk relationships, possibly work promotions. I think it is especially time for the closet anti-zionists to come out into the light. Perhaps this article will help, but it should be one of many, not just a once in while occurrence.


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  • davidk969 davidk969, January 20, 2019, 6:25 PM
    I just spent a week in Haifa late last year. "“In Haifa, you have museums for exhibiting Japanese art, but you can’t find an exhibition that describes the Palestinian history of the city,” Switat said." This not true. I myself went to the opening of the exhibit at the Haifa City Museum about the events of 1948 and it was well attended by thousands of Haifa residents, Arab and Jewish! https://www.hcm.org.il/eng/Exhibitions/6513/1948 The area being described in this article is a dump. Hadar is a dump also. If you don't believe me, go to the Theodore Hotel and ask to see a room. These area need a major upgrade. Probably one of the shabbier areas I saw in Israel. The port is in the wrong place and it is a good thing its being moved to the east part of the city so the area just north of HarShemona station gets some new housing and development. Yes, the electrification of the railway is an important development to get more Irsaelis out of their cars on onto public transit. The right of way needs to be expanded to accommodate for electrification and this is happening in Jewish areas all over Israel as well. The entire city of Haifa is very poorly planned with tons of winding streets and dead ends. It needs a lot of help. If you want to see an interesting mixed arab/jewish/russian area check out Masada St. Cool arab bars and very interesting mixed crowd of different types. It's the part of Israel you rarely hear about. Definitely the most interesting city in Israel. As far as Palestinian claims to some of these properties discussed here, it sucks but the war ended 71 years ago and they were on the losing end. No chance of getting these properties back. As far as commenters, I'd recommend visiting some of these areas instead of sitting on your computer and shooting off.


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  • eljay eljay, January 20, 2019, 6:19 PM
    Zionism: ... the national movement for the return of the Jewish people to their homeland and the resumption of Jewish sovereignty in the Land of Israel. ... IOW: Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of Palestine. The religion-based identity of Jewish does not grant to those who choose to hold it the right: - to be supremacists; - to have a supremacist state; or - to do unto others acts of injustice and immorality they would not have others do unto them. Zionists argue that Jews are entitled to all three. Zionists - like all supremacists - are truly hateful and immoral people.


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  • Mooser Mooser, January 20, 2019, 6:07 PM
    "What’s there to say about the above? Nasty? Lamentable?" What is your problem? The idea that Jews in Israel will be trapped there under conditions of equality concerns me greatly. They should be free to go.


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  • eljay eljay, January 20, 2019, 6:07 PM
    || catalan: “That’s a strange accusation coming from a self-proclaimed New Mexican with Arab and Italian ancestry.” Eljay Well ancestry says I have these genetic ancestors. But obvioiusly I am Jewish. I mean I have a Jewish name. ... || How is it obvious? catalan isn't a Jewish name and "ancestry says" that you're Arab and Italian. Anyway, having a Jewish name doesn't mean that you're Jewish any more than having a Croatian name means that I'm Croatian. || ... However, you probably agree with talkback that Jews are “doomed” unless they become “moral”. ... || Depends on what "doomed" means. If it means that all Jews will eventually suffer blowback for the actions of hateful and immoral Zionists like you, sure, Jews are "doomed". If, instead, it means what you recently wrote... " ... it’s only a matter of time until there are no Jews outside of Israel (and since Israel is itself doomed there won’t be any Jews at all) ... " ...I disagree that Jews are "doomed".


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  • eljay eljay, January 20, 2019, 5:56 PM
    || aze: ... So, from my one brief visit here so far, it would seem this site is very much an anti-Zionist pro BDS haven ... Fair enough. Like-minded folks have always liked to gather together, and to hate Israel is, I guess, a legitimate excercise ... || It's strange how when it comes to I-P you Zionists simply can't help but equate advocacy of justice, equality and respect for human rights and international law with "hate" (or "Jew hatred" or "anti-Semitism"). It's like a kind of Tourette Syndrome that affects supremacist hypocrites.


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  • Ossinev Ossinev, January 20, 2019, 5:48 PM
    @WJ " the only deprivation the Israeli Jews would feel would be that of colonial privilege" There is I`m afraid an air of naivete and condescencion in this comment and what appears to be your general attitude to the theft of Palestine. It presupposes that the "colonisation" came about due to a combination of unforeseen circumstances as opposed to a deliberate and blatant project to occupy and steal another people`s land by an extreme religious group. It also suggests that this colonisation was in some way shape or form "benign" as opposed to being an ongoing brutal oppression involving full scale ethnic cleansing and incremental genocide. "the new rulers of Palestine will not be as conscientious as O.B. in terms of what the new Palestine will look like" As before extreme condescencion and an archetypal "colonisers propaganda ploy as in "be careful what you wish for in your fight for freedom from colonial oppression". "it is only natural for those who value the national aspect of the Jewish identity to fear the probable outcome as something that needs to be avoided" Of course thieves fear outcomes. It comes under the heading of "Losing Ill Gotten Gains"


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  • Mooser Mooser, January 20, 2019, 5:38 PM
    " it’s the columnist for the Times wrapping herself in the mantle of Dr. King to attack Israel" Wasn't that a mantle Zionists had no trouble ripping off a corpse and wearing for their own purposes? Just at Mondo, how many reams of 'MLK was a Zionist, so you should be too' comments are there?


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  • Mooser Mooser, January 20, 2019, 5:35 PM
    " and the only deprivation the Israeli Jews would feel would be that of colonial privilege" Exactly! Why would it bother Israelis to be held liable for violence and assault,subject to equality under law, and subject to legal suits, and International law? Those "colonial privileges" won't be hard to give up.


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  • Mooser Mooser, January 20, 2019, 5:30 PM
    "And we need to send a clear message to Israel." And then Israel will tell Washington to stop sending it money, and supplying political and legal cover for Israel's actions? Seems rather the long way 'round. Why not a lot of people, Jewish and not, sending a clear message to Washington, and the US Gov. can pass on the message to Israel.


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  • JWalters JWalters, January 20, 2019, 5:26 PM
    Misterioso, I always appreciate your wealth of relevant details. They add real weight to the case.


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  • annie annie, January 20, 2019, 5:21 PM
    thanks DrJaye, i don't think we disagree, i hope you didn't get that impression. i think we sharea lot in common. and while i totally get and agree "Most movements of this kind have been spearheaded by those within the groups who are being oppressed " it's been decades now. it requires more! while you're sensitive to the cowardice of jewish people (or people in your own 'group' so to speak) i see too many in the whole of society being cowards here. they all need to be called out, not just jewish enablers, that's all i'm saying. plus, it perpetuates this myth jews control everything. like we can't get anything done unless we get the ok from jews or get pressured by jews or whatever. it's like stop already and take a look how we got into this mess. we totally enabled this nightmare every single step of the way. and as a country we should be held accountable too. it's so frustrating... fyi, for the future, if the comment you're responding to doesn't have a reply feature, scroll up to the nearest one. in your case for your last comment, it would have been the reply feature on my comment ending in "bless them", but now, scroll up to your own comment ending in "complete silence" and hit reply.


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  • JWalters JWalters, January 20, 2019, 5:18 PM
    Breaking the Silence about Palestine is necessarily also Breaking the Silence about Israel. It invites the common sense question of how this blanket of silence, covering both the press and the Congress as this article acknowledges, was enforced. How was it coordinated, and by whom? Surely new legal protections need to be put in place to prevent this from happening again. That will require a thorough understanding of how this happened.


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  • annie annie, January 20, 2019, 5:05 PM
    I would actually put this in reverse – there would be many more non jews (white or otherwise) who would NOT remain silent, had they not been terrorized into silence by accusations of anti-semitism which can be a career disabler. yes, of course. i mentioned the phenomena of white people, for whatever reason, feeling silenced or being silent is a huge barrier to advancing a resolution, however the primary focus on my point didn't rest on your point. we have to just get over it, like alexander did. people have to step up to the plate and quit playing it safe from the bleachers.


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  • JWalters JWalters, January 20, 2019, 5:01 PM
    Good list. I would amend one thing. Nationalize the Fed. To comply with the Constitution it should not be owned by private bankers. Currently it is one of the biggest scams in history, and a millstone around the necks of every member of the American economy. This is explained in Ellen Brown's book Web of Debt.


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  • Talkback Talkback, January 20, 2019, 4:57 PM
    philweiss: "... liberal ZIonists ..." It puzzles me why you keep using this oxymoron. There's nothing liberal about settler colonialism or a state in which not all citizens are nationals.


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  • annie annie, January 20, 2019, 4:55 PM
    heads up aze. see the bell feature on the bottom right? if you do not respond using the "reply" function your comment will not land in the same thread within the comment section nor will the people commenting in that thread get notification you're responding. if the person you're responding to doesn't show a reply option, scroll up to the closest one.


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  • Keith Keith, January 20, 2019, 4:52 PM
    PHIL- "The 51-year-old legal scholar and civil rights advocate begins by quoting Martin Luther King’s courageous coming out against the Vietnam War in 1967, when it could do him no good." Michelle Alexander narrowly focuses on King's opposition to the Vietnam war to support her narrow focus on Israel/Palestine. King's opposition to Vietnam was part of an evolving awakening in regards to US militarism and empire of which Vietnam was but a part. If Alexander was honest to the King legacy, she would discuss Israel/Palestine within the current context of empire and neoliberal globalization. Israel/Palestine cannot be understood, nor the situation resolved, without reference to empire. Israel/Palestine is but one aspect of a larger problem. “A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death.” (Martin Luther King) https://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/martin-luther-king-jr-s-searing-antiwar-speech-fifty-years-later


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  • JWalters JWalters, January 20, 2019, 4:52 PM
    When I happened to read Michelle Alexander's column last night I thought, "Zionism is finished." It reminded me of Walter Cronkite's pronouncement about the Vietnam war. The blanket of lies could no longer be sustained. Alexander's presentation is brilliant in its simple clarity and thoroughness. I felt like I was reviewing the best of Mondoweiss. And I wondered what battles have been going on behind the scenes at the NYT. Surely there must have been accumulating shame from the relentless reporting on the NYT's dishonesty.


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  • DrJaye DrJaye, January 20, 2019, 4:50 PM
    There isn't a reply link under Annie so I'm replying here. Yes, of course I meant AIPAC – I'm not sure if that was a dyslexic thing or or some kind of autocorrect that I missed. I don't think we disagree that we need people of all stripes joining in on this issue but I just feel that more Jews in positions or power and on a grassroots level need to make it known to the general public that AIPAC does not represent the majority of us. And we need to send a clear message to Israel. Most movements of this kind have been spearheaded by those within the groups who are being oppressed and by those within the oppressor group who are opposed to those doing the oppressing. It is an embarrassment to me that non-Jews like Roger Waters, Alice Walker, Angela Davis, and now MIchelle Alexander have been shouldering the brunt of the attacks for so long opposed to Jews in position of power. It goes without saying that we're all appreciative that they have taken a stand but it only highlights to me the cowardice of the average Jewish person and those in positions of power for letting this go on so long in complete silence.


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  • annie annie, January 20, 2019, 4:47 PM
    his assumption that his view will predominate is a type of blindness or falsehood. we'll see about that won't we.


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  • Talkback Talkback, January 20, 2019, 4:42 PM
    aze: "Like-minded folks have always liked to gather together, and to hate Israel is ..." Oh, no, another infantile and self-righteouss accusation of hate. We allready know the likes of you. aze: "If it is to be Palestine from the river to the sea, what is to be done – humanely – with the 6 or so million Israeli Jews currently living on that land: push them into the sea?" It's funny that you ask since it was Jews who literally pushed Palestinians from Haifa into the sea. But your question was allready answered by Palestinians in 1947. A secular democratic state with minority rights. Same of what happened in South Africa. But if that is to good to believe just assume that Palestinians are going to treat Jews the same way Jews have been treating Palestinians. I'm sure that you would support that kind of governing. Otherwise you would be deligitimizing Israel, wouldn't you?


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  • Thomas Plagemann Thomas Plagemann, January 20, 2019, 4:41 PM
    As a native New Englander and someone still deeply in love with most things Massachusetts, may I raise my hand here and declare that for all of its leftist currents, social consciousness and justice minded residents.......that Boston is unfortunately still one of the most virulently racist cities in the country. It has got a long way to go before it truly represents the capital of progressive ideas that the author claims.


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  • DaBakr DaBakr, January 20, 2019, 4:29 PM
    @pk Am I frustrated at th he fact that Iran continues to try and entrench itself in Syria near Israel's northern border? No. I always stated its goals were shi'ia fanatical and expansionist as such. Am I frustrated that Iran was fully empowered by Obama's Iran policy and only after trump pulled the plug had Iran faced more difficulties in its goals to expand its fanatical influence throughout Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Gaza and Yemen? No. I'm frustrated that the little wankers here could care less about millions normal Iranians, Kurds and Syrian war refugees while venting their anger and laying blame for almost all evils in the middle East on Israel, (who's causing no famine, including Gaza which is caused by Hamas). But that's long term frustration. Like how disappointing but not surprising humans tend to be. I'm sure ms. Rosengarten understands


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  • wondering jew wondering jew, January 20, 2019, 4:13 PM
    If Omar Barghouti would be the ruler of the new Palestine I would bet that he would do his utmost that it would be democratic and the only deprivation the Israeli Jews would feel would be that of colonial privilege. But O.B. will not be the ruler of the new Palestine, and I will bet that the new rulers of Palestine will not be as conscientious as O.B. in terms of what the new Palestine will look like. And his assumption that his view will predominate is a type of blindness or falsehood. And your assumption that his view will predominate is a type of "follow the leader".


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  • DaBakr DaBakr, January 20, 2019, 4:13 PM
    @a So, rather then respond with countering facts you, like a three year old, choose to stick your fingers in your ears and yell, "la la la la la.....". Very effective way to not deal with many unpleasant factors in life, including your own premise. congratulations on your psychotherapy practice. Can only imagine what you refuse to engage with there and the ethics involved thereof.


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  • aze aze, January 20, 2019, 3:56 PM
    Alright. Can't say this is coming as a surprise but. Although I truly didn't stop here to joust: "the implication of your introduction to our site is that we gather together to hate under the banner of caring about human rights." I don't believe such thing is/was implied. But clearly, it is now being inferred that it is/was. "i’m just curious, under these circumstances, why you’d believe any response one might offer?" Some questions are hard, not designed to make friends; you know before asking them that they won't be liked by the questioned. Guess I was uninterested in pretending that I was so innocent as to believe that my "butting in" on this platform with my question about BDS was going to win me a popular contest. Am still curious, though. "“Push them into the sea”? Heavens, no. Why they can do whatever they want, go, or stay. Nobody could dissuade the Zionist from deciding they had the strength to take Palestine, and I doubt anybody will be able to make them stay once they are done." "Once they are done" doing what? What's there to say about the above? Nasty? Lamentable? t's hard to decide whether such narcissistic cynicism in response to what is after all a very serious issue - Well, millions of people future lives and well-being is at stake, whichever side of whatever fence or BSD one is on - is sad or nauseating. But here it is. Proud point scoring before coherent argument. In what place is it that folks live so happily and safe that they are so full of certainties and contempt about others? Which corner of the planet do they come from that throughout history the land they sit, work, love and hate on never belonged to anyone else but them? "” Like-minded folks have always liked to gather together, and to hate Israel”" What exactly is the point of misquoting? Because it's painless to paste, and in the name of optimism, here is the full quote again, which goes on past the word 'Israel', as may be noticed this time round: "Like-minded folks have always liked to gather together, and to hate Israel is, I guess, a legitimate excercise, not unlike hating Cuba, China or, say, Hungary, Iran or Russia." Sorry again for butting in. Will look for answer elsewhere.


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  • Danaa Danaa, January 20, 2019, 3:51 PM
    the issue is that Israel’s whole existence – its laws, its economy, and its culture – are built on a foundation of dispossession and racism, and its “practices” are simply a reflection of that history. Well, she had to put in "some practices" caveat, didn't she? this being a NYT column she already bit a big piece, so the "reminiscent of" is just enough of a hedge to provide some room to maneuver in the face of the sure to come onslaught. The day when a journalist, columnist or elected representative can come out with the full statement as you have put it here, is not yet here. But it is on the horizon, which is more than we could have said a few years back. Of course, for most of us here, the waiting has been and is tortuous.


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  • Danaa Danaa, January 20, 2019, 3:44 PM
    there are so many more white non jews than jews who have been silent on this issue That bears to reason - after all, there are many more non jews than jews in the US, numerically speaking, so naturally there'll be more of them on the sidelines. I would actually put this in reverse - there would be many more non jews (white or otherwise) who would NOT remain silent, had they not been terrorized into silence by accusations of anti-semitism which can be a career disabler. That is exactly why everyone defers to JVP - it's the "J" in the title. So, while JVP and other jewish organizations in the forefront of the battle for palestinian human rights are to be commended, the real issue is the SCARCITY of people WITH POWER who'd take on this issue. Both Jewish and not. Michele Alexander's column is a ground breaker because of the perch she now has in the NYT and because she was willing to break the taboo on speaking out against one of the greatest moral scandals in the world today. I'd actually say that just like Angela Davis, it bears to reason that this be a black woman who's showing willingness to stand in the line of fire, knowing full well what retribution she risks. These days, when IDpol has taken over everywhere, one almost has to ride that train if one is to have a chance of surviving the fight against the hasbara wind mills. The timing couldn't be any better either, as we have just been treated to the spectacle of that anti-BDS legislation in the senate, which garnered almost enough votes to pass. That threat is still there because AIPAC is not one known to leave the battlefield without a few scalps to display. For the next round.


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  • annie annie, January 20, 2019, 3:29 PM
    hi dr jaye, do you mean aipac or are you referencing another lobbying group (there are so many!). just curious. Prominent Jews in positions of power are less likely to be taken down in the same way when speaking out opposed to non-Jews i know. still, it's going to take a national movement (meaning our whole nation) to change these dynamics. but the phenomena of white people, for whatever reason, feeling silenced or being silent is a huge barrier to advancing a resolution. there's a prioritization in the media to advance jewish voices on this issue whether for or against and that should stop. it lends to the idea that this is primarily a jewish issue, and it's not. primarily, it is a palestinian issue and look what happens to palestinians who speak out (linda sansour and rashida Tlaib come to mind) -- all hell breaks loose. we need MORE voices from the masses, when the biggest mass is silent (or repressed) white voices (although as alexander noted, we've got big church groups divesting) it's a hinderance. i'm encouraged by the recent polls. i'm also really encouraged by jvp, ifnotnow, and other jewish voices speaking out and being on the front lines. but if we're going to normalize palestinian human rights for the masses, it's going to take every segment of society working in tandem. it's not ok for white people to sit on the sidelines eating popcorn watching the jews duke it out, cheering for rashida and Ilham during commercial breaks. look at the impact of Betty McCollum. Jimmy Carter is arguably the most high profile american white non jew who's spoken out. there are others, we're here. but there needs to be more. imagine if katie hill stepped up to the plate right out of the gate. they can't pull an alison weir on all of us. we can't just sit back and watch the jews. and sit back and watch black leaders getting screwed over. it's just frustrating. we have to get it together and act in unity. it can't be a poc up against the mob situation. just take a look at how the uber zionist operate. they push their lindsey graham and mark kirk or scoop jackson right out front in every generation. and the list goes on and on. weaponized accusations of anti semitism can't hurt us if we stick together, loudly and in unity. cowardly white people sitting at a distance in cheap seats in the bleachers taking no risk will not end this.


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  • Mooser Mooser, January 20, 2019, 2:40 PM
    " with the 6 or so million Israeli Jews currently living on that land: push them into the sea?" "Push them into the sea"? Heavens, no. Why they can do whatever they want, go, or stay. Nobody could dissuade the Zionist from deciding they had the strength to take Palestine, and I doubt anybody will be able to make them stay once they are done. How many can you guarantee will stay in Palestine under changed circumstances? Will the GOI prevent Jews from leaving? " Like-minded folks have always liked to gather together, and to hate Israel" Is that what it says on the "About" page?


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  • annie annie, January 20, 2019, 2:37 PM
    Hi there. no need to apologize, everyone who posts here just "butts in" so to speak. before addressing your question.. Like-minded folks have always liked to gather together, and to hate Israel .... It seems most folks here happily and fully embrace and promote boycotting , divesting and sanctioning Israel, the goal being – under the banner of protecting the Palestinian people human rights the implication of your introduction to our site is that we gather together to hate under the banner of caring about human rights. i'm just curious, under these circumstances, why you'd believe any response one might offer? i recommend "Omar Barghouti on the 6th anniversary of the BDS call: ‘[BDS] targets a system of oppression so that all people can live in equality and justice.’" https://mondoweiss.net/2011/07/omar-barghouti-on-the-6th-anniversary-of-the-bds-call-bds-targets-a-system-of-oppression-so-that-all-people-can-live-in-equality-and-justice/


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  • Mooser Mooser, January 20, 2019, 2:26 PM
    "Keith", ever since the 60's, allright, white, right. Read the "seminal essay" (per "WJ") linked.


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  • Henry Norr Henry Norr, January 20, 2019, 2:23 PM
    I certainly agree that Michelle Alexander's column is a very big deal - it's clear, comprehensive, and above all courageous. Let's hope it proves to be a turning point. That said, I do have one beef with it: her observation that Israel has "adopted some practices reminiscent of apartheid in South Africa and Jim Crow segregation in the United States" grievously downplays the problem. It's not a question of this or that "practice" - the issue is that Israel's whole existence - its laws, its economy, and its culture - are built on a foundation of dispossession and racism, and its "practices" are simply a reflection of that history. The "practices" framing makes it sound like a few legal or procedural reforms could cure the problem. I'm pretty sure Ms. Alexander actually knows that's not the case. Again, I have tremendous admiration for what she did with this column. I just wish she hadn't phrased that sentence that way.


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  • annie annie, January 20, 2019, 2:20 PM
    it is only natural for those who value the national aspect of the Jewish identity to fear the probable outcome as something that needs to be avoided. that reminds me of something Omar Barghouti said on the 6th anniversary of the BDS movement. http://mondoweiss.net/2011/07/omar-barghouti-on-the-6th-anniversary-of-the-bds-call-bds-targets-a-system-of-oppression-so-that-all-people-can-live-in-equality-and-justice.html Resistance to oppression always alienates the oppressors. It’s a rule in any resistance to colonial oppression throughout history and the colonial community is never fond of it, of this resistance. They would like us to be complacent slaves who just take injustice as fate and just live with it, move on. Well we won’t move on. We’ll continue resisting and it will continue bothering them because it promises to deprive them of their colonial privilege and no one is happy to give up, simply, their colonial privilege.... ...... This suppression reflects that they’re really scared and when people feel scared they do ban together until the price becomes much higher and then you’ll see cracks in this wall of silence in Israel and wall of complicity in Israel where almost all Israelis are complicit.....Only when the price goes higher as we’re doing and that’s why BDS is truly alarming to the establishment, to the colonial establishment in Israel. It promises to threaten their hegemony and their privilege and once that happens we’ll see the dissent. That’s what happened in South Africa it's really good, you should watch the whole thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sycWqJXNniY


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  • Mooser Mooser, January 20, 2019, 2:12 PM
    "I don’t know if there has been any antisemitic violence because of Farrakhan’s statements." You've never heard of the Bowling Green pogrom?


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  • annie annie, January 20, 2019, 1:56 PM
    everybody descends from 2 people, that's all i'm saying.


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  • Mooser Mooser, January 20, 2019, 1:55 PM
    " It's not like putting a comma after a subject clause." A mistake, BTW, which no grammar program can correct automatically. It's up to each one of us.


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  • aze aze, January 20, 2019, 1:53 PM
    Hi there. Guess I should apologize for butting in uninvited, but I just came across this site somewhat accidentally today and, having read a handful of pieces, thought I'd spend a few minutes registering to ask a simple question, which - think of it! - might actually not led to a torrent of abuse. Ok. So, from my one brief visit here so far, it would seem this site is very much an anti-Zionist pro BDS haven, not to say a mutual appreciation society on such matters. Fair enough. Like-minded folks have always liked to gather together, and to hate Israel is, I guess, a legitimate excercise, not unlike hating Cuba, China or, say, Hungary, Iran or Russia. Not being all that "au fait" with Middle-East politics, though, what I am somewhat confused about is the proposition known here (and elsewhere) as BDS, because, looking at Israel's position or side of the argument, there appears to exist an existentialist dimension to what is being proposed. It seems most folks here happily and fully embrace and promote boycotting , divesting and sanctioning Israel, the goal being - under the banner of protecting the Palestinian people human rights and championing their Right of Return - to in effect have the Israeli government and its people surrender their current country to the Palestinian people. From the river to sea, as the slogan says. It's an interesting notion, especially when combined with the idea that the people supporting this BDS exercise present themselves as human right advocates, rather than mere old-fashioned anti-Semites. Which brings me to my question. If it is to be Palestine from the river to the sea, what is to be done - humanely - with the 6 or so million Israeli Jews currently living on that land: push them into the sea? Thanks.


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  • DrJaye DrJaye, January 20, 2019, 1:34 PM
    Well yes of course we need more voices in general but since APIC is one of the biggest lobbying groups in Washington, Jews who do not feel APIC is representing their views need to take more responsibility to come to the forefront to let Washington and the general public know that this group does not speak for them. Prominent Jews in positions of power are less likely to be taken down in the same way when speaking out opposed to non-Jews – like when Bernie Sanders spoke out in defense of Palestinians during the debates and was actually praised by certain prominent people in the mainstream media for having the courage to do so. So yes, we need everyone speaking out but Jews should be rising to the forefront to make it known that APIC does not represent them and to demand change.


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  • Mooser Mooser, January 20, 2019, 1:33 PM
    “or recognizing all the offspring of jewish males as jewish”. Man, I tell ya' it's hard to keep up. Judaism now descends through the male line? Not the matriarchal?


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  • wondering jew wondering jew, January 20, 2019, 1:09 PM
    Can one imagine Israel's war of independence deprived of the critical event of the nakba? It is difficult, probably impossible to balance a concern for the Jews in the 30's, with concern for the Palestinians in 47-48. How do we in 2019 relate to today and to the past? Not all Jews accept the nationalistic interpretation of their Jewish identities. In the US the Jewish zeitgeist is certainly against nationalism, as it is against religion and so the identity is left for individual interpretation. For others to whom religion is important the Jewish national aspect is trivial. But for most of those living in Israel/Palestine, the national aspect of Jewish identity is quite important and for many of their Jewish supporters who do not live there, this national aspect is also important. The exile or expulsion of 3/4 of a million Palestinians in 47-48 combined with the attitude towards Israeli Arabs til today and the occupation of the West Bank and Gaza for the past 50 years has been a grievous blow to the Palestinian people. During the days of Rabin when hopes were raised about a peace treaty between the peoples there was a theory about how the two nationalities could coexist. Such a balancing act is no longer seriously contemplated without distraction from the real world. The Right of Return will probably lead to something other than a utopian democratic kumbaya vision. And it is only natural for those who value the national aspect of the Jewish identity to fear the probable outcome as something that needs to be avoided. whether it's benny morris waxing nostalgic about expelling more Arabs instead of none or whether it's the columnist for the Times wrapping herself in the mantle of Dr. King to attack Israel, there is no positive news here. as we get further from the era of rabin we do not get closer to an era of kumbaya and things will get worse before they get worst.


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  • annie annie, January 20, 2019, 1:00 PM
    As a Jewish woman, I feel embarrassed that African Americans are putting themselves on the line while so many Jews stand by in silence. We need more prominent Jewish voices speaking out. there are so many more white non jews than jews who have been silent on this issue, enabling this national catastrophe. by far, the overwhelming support and empowerment (by head count) of this wound on humanity have come from non jewish white americans, both inside congress and out. we need more voices speaking out, not just jewish voices. i don't feel embarrassed by African Americans leading on this issue, i feel overwhelming gratefulness. The most powerful brave trend setters on the landscape of American culture come from our Black community. bless them.


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  • marc b. marc b., January 20, 2019, 12:58 PM
    Not to mention the bloody history of organized crime in Israel. Car bombs used to kill cooperating witnesses, weapons disappearing from armories used in gang wars, and on. The Israelis involvement in the trafficking of women for prostitution is deep and wide as well, despite Israeli handwringing over the predatory sexuality of Arab men.


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  • Mooser Mooser, January 20, 2019, 12:53 PM
    "Because European white nationalism focused on the Jews in the period of 1800 to 1945 and American white nationalism is very related to its European version." And that is why Zionism is doing everything it can to appeal to "American white nationalism", and reject any input (without passing your ridiculous purity test, which nobody does) from minorities, Jews critical of Israel, even progressives? You go ahead and stick with Trump Republicans.


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  • Donald Donald, January 20, 2019, 12:45 PM
    I don’t know if there has been any antisemitic violence because of Farrakhan’s statements. But it’s not a good idea to spread that sort of crap around. And to be clear, I’m not criticizing Mallory. I think her critics are taking cheap shots.


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  • Mooser Mooser, January 20, 2019, 12:38 PM
    This is just Zionism waking up, shaking off the dust of old leftish associations, and girding itself socially and politically for the future.


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  • Jonathan Ofir Jonathan Ofir, January 20, 2019, 12:32 PM
    wdr: "Benny Morris is in Fantasy Land if he thinks that the Israelis, during the War of Independence of 1948-9, had the slightest possibility of taking control of the West Bank, much less forcing the inhabitants to leave. The Israelis did not have the military capability of taking the Old City of Jerusalem- presumably their Number One goal- in 1948-9, and did not gain it until 1967. The US and the other major powers would have stopped any Israeli incursion way past the boundaries of the Jewish state as set out by the UN in the Partition Plan." The Israeli forces did, in fact, take over large parts of the West Bank. As you may know, the 56% of historical Palestine was far from the 78% that Israel eventually took control of by 1949. Ilan Pappe notes the causes for this 'hesitation' in terms of the West Bank - there was a collusion between the Zionists (Golda Meir), and the Jordanians (Abdullah), that meant that Jordan would in principle stay out of the war, if the Zionists would stay out of the West Bank (see Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine). Anyway, Israel, which at first promised USA explicitly to stick to the UN 1947 'Partition Plan' lines on the eve of the state Declaration, did not abide by it, and wasn't planning to. It became a question of balance - how to expand further without losing the war altogether. Regarding 'forcing the inhabitants to leave', let it be noted, that the mass and violent ethnic cleansing of Lydda and Ramleh, directed by Ben-Gurion and signed by Rabin, was taking place IN THE WEST BANK. That area was not meant to be part of the 'Jewish State' by those 1947 suggested lines.


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  • marc b. marc b., January 20, 2019, 12:30 PM
    Another “huge step forward” would be to stop insisting that Roger ‘they wanna drive the Jews into the sea’ Cohen is “well meaning”. His only interest is to maintain Jewish supremacy in the state of Israel, and any difference between him and the limited color palette rainbow of other Zionists is essentially tactical.


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  • Citizen Citizen, January 20, 2019, 12:27 PM
    Hey, remember Tony Martin? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Martin_(professor)


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  • Mooser Mooser, January 20, 2019, 12:18 PM
    "Is this indicative of a lack of self-criticism among Jews?" Oh, surely not. Much more likely to be a projection of the intense and painful self-criticism our particular linear polymer of nucleotides demands of us, if you get my drift.


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  • DrJaye DrJaye, January 20, 2019, 12:12 PM
    Thank you for writing this excellent commentary on Michelle Alexander's groundbreaking oped. Between Alexander, Angela Davis, and Briahna Gray who just wrote an outstanding article criticizing Kamala Harris, African American women are at the forefront of courage and leadership as we begin 2019. As a Jewish woman, I feel embarrassed that African Americans are putting themselves on the line while so many Jews stand by in silence. We need more prominent Jewish voices speaking out. Thank you for providing this important forum.


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  • Vera Gottlieb Vera Gottlieb, January 20, 2019, 12:00 PM
    Oh, enough already with this anti Semitism thing. If israel would start treating Palestinians as human beings instead of like garbage, there would be a lot less resentment towards Jews and israel.


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  • Vera Gottlieb Vera Gottlieb, January 20, 2019, 11:54 AM
    My recollection is not quite clear but...some years ago wasn't it Georgia Congress Woman Barbara Jordan who lost re-election on account of the Jewish lobby going against her? These two newly elected women might want to start covering their backs. Not exactly proud of my Jewish background.


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  • Citizen Citizen, January 20, 2019, 11:12 AM
    @ Donald Yes, there's at least a superficial analogy there, but is it "on all fours"? NOI never, to my knowledge, killed men, women, and children to provide safe haven for American blacks. Zionists Jews have done so, and still do so. Or am I wrong here?


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  • Ossinev Ossinev, January 20, 2019, 9:50 AM
    @Citizen Yes have just read the article and the times certainly are a changing; Particularly impressed by: "Many civil rights activists and organizations have remained silent as well, not because they lack concern or sympathy for the Palestinian people, but because they fear loss of funding from foundations, and false charges of anti-Semitism. They worry, as I once did, that their important social justice work will be compromised or discredited by smear campaigns. Similarly, many students are fearful of expressing support for Palestinian rights because of the McCarthyite tactics of secret organizations like Canary Mission, which blacklists those who publicly dare to support boycotts against Israel, jeopardizing their employment prospects and future careers" A statement such as the above is arguably well within the bizarrezioworld IHRA definition of Anti-Semitism and yet there it is in black and white in the NYT ! As for Slimy Sheldon see more at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPRnTU6fO-g


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  • philweiss philweiss, January 20, 2019, 9:47 AM
    The brilliance of Hirsch's article is that he shows what no one has pointed out before: that people who staked their hearts & minds on Netanyahu and suffered zero career damage are suddenly afraid that that commitment will damage their careers now that they are Staking their fortunes on opposing Trump. It's a complete contradiction, and so they have walked awy from the Bibi-ism, or gone sotto voce on it, as they gain prominence from opposing Trump. The real test for them is when Israel demonstrates that it is Bibisrael, to borrow from Hirsch, in its next election. Of course it's been that forever, but just as liberal ZIonists are facing the dissolution of dreamcastle ISrael, so will these centrist Zionists. Trumpism and Israelism are very similar.


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  • Citizen Citizen, January 20, 2019, 6:05 AM
    Angela Davis: "Justice is indivisible." That's another way of talking about intersectionality, as well as directly saying Justice here requires also Justice over there.


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  • Citizen Citizen, January 20, 2019, 5:33 AM
    But the times, they are a changing: @nytimes OP-ED: Message To Congress: Time to Break the Silence on #Palestine https://nyti.ms/2HmAeVx


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  • Talkback Talkback, January 20, 2019, 5:10 AM
    wdr: "Benny Morris is in Fantasy Land if he thinks that the Israelis, during the War of Independence of 1948-9, had the slightest possibility of taking control of the West Bank, much less forcing the inhabitants to leave." That's funny, because in fall 1948 the provisional GoI prepared the invasion, but cancelled it only, because it knew that the need for expelling all Nonjews to maintain a Jewish majority would undermine its attempt to become a UN member. And it also feared that GB might intervene on Transjordan's side. So in December 1948 it planned to conquer Gaza and the Sinai and made major gains in the the Sinai. But GB got word of this invasion and threatened to intervene. wdr: "By the way, members of this site, how is that there was no independent Palestinian state established in 1948-9, although the West Bank and Gaza were in Arab hands? Eh? How is it that Jordan took over the West Bank and Egypt took over Gaza?" Because the goal was to restore the territorial integrity of Palestine which was violated by the Jewish Apartheid Junta first and then declare its independence. That's of course nothing what Israel would do, if its Nonjewish majority would take over 78% through war and reduce Jews to a 25% minority. Israel would share its territory, right?


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  • Talkback Talkback, January 20, 2019, 4:38 AM
    Nope. Under Israeli Apartheid inciting Jews are honored or promoted.


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  • echinococcus echinococcus, January 20, 2019, 3:08 AM
    Annie, /carriage return/ "placing quotemarks around your own words in your argument as if you were quoting someone?" /carriage return/ Again? Be fair. See: https://www.grammarly.com/blog/quotation-marks/ /carriage return/ Scroll down to section "Other Uses of Quotation Marks: Titles of Short Works, Words as Words, Scare Quotes". Not an authority, but it's online and the summary there fully agrees with the established usage books and general US consensus.


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  • echinococcus echinococcus, January 20, 2019, 2:12 AM
    "all it takes is one jewish person to not base their (jewish) identity on religion (aka a secular jew) and it sort of blows the concept of “religion-based” out of the water", says Annie. /carriage return/ It does that, sure. Enough to show that it is not a "religion-based" identification at all, no matter the Zionist pretense. Which means that anyone not religiously Jewish is basing hisher "identification" on heredity. Which in turn means that it is a purely racial identification. But it is not just racial. It is also racist by being based on nothing but total fabricated myth. So we can correct the statement into "racist identity". /carriage return/ "anyway, like i said it’s not something i take a position on" /carriage return/ You don't? Seems to me you are taking a position on it, and how, by deliberately choosing to be bullshitted by scam artists and ignoring the hair-rising consequences. And writing to discredit any unmasking of this bullshit.


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  • Hussein Hammami Hussein Hammami, January 20, 2019, 12:57 AM
    Roseanne Barr would be an appropriate choice for President is Israel. A cheap actress and an illegitimate country deserve each other.


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  • Mustacq Abdullah Mustacq Abdullah, January 20, 2019, 12:40 AM
    Huh? Is this clown seriously the one to write the history of "Isräel"? Talk about lopsided bias toward a nation. Talk about upsiding the Zïonist Occupiers. Talk about downsizing the natives of Palestine! Morris has it! AND HE IS IN CHARGE OF WRITING HISTORY! He’s a wolf looking after sheep. He’s a lion looking after the butchery.


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  • RoHa RoHa, January 19, 2019, 11:10 PM
    "What matters is that the Zionists arrived in a country where they had no citizenship with the conceit it was their right to exercise state power. This makes them hostile and morally responsible for all acts of violence to achieve their goal.' Exactly!


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  • catalan catalan, January 19, 2019, 10:40 PM
    “That's a strange accusation coming from a self-proclaimed New Mexican with Arab and Italian ancestry.” Eljay Well ancestry says I have these genetic ancestors. But obvioiusly I am Jewish. I mean I have a Jewish name. I am not religious and to be honest simply don’t understand anything you say about “identity”. However, you probably agree with talkback that Jews are “doomed” unless they become “moral”. So in plain English, unless Jewish women stop drinking Pepsi and buying lingerie from Victoria Secret (aka BDS) they are “doomed”. What are we speaking about in terms of doom - are we talking death camps, labor camps, expulsions? Are your saying that if Jews don’t do BDS the government will be rounding them up?


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  • Citizen Citizen, January 19, 2019, 9:30 PM
    He's got more influence in America and Israel than the Pope anywhere.


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  • RoHa RoHa, January 19, 2019, 9:23 PM
    "there is a “ture” missing" Not to worry. We've all left a "ture" out at one time or another. It's not like putting a comma after a subject clause.


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  • Citizen Citizen, January 19, 2019, 8:51 PM
    When Israel's birth war ended, Jordan held the West Bank and Egypt held Gaza. Jordan promptly gave it's Palestinians nearly full Jordanian citizenship, while Egypt chose to isolate Gaza and give part of it to Israel. That's what I gleaned from this article: https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/.premium-egypt-has-always-held-the-palestinians-of-gaza-in-contempt-1.5827868 Maybe there's more to it than that.


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