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Mooser
Mooser on September 15, 2019, 4:32 pm

“the leadership of the exceptionally wise and courageous Moses’,”

Can’t say enough about the man. Why, he invented an entirely new art form.

edthespark
edthespark on September 15, 2019, 4:32 pm

Jm

I left s.a. in 1991 and have never looked back.At the moment in s.a there is a campaign to expel foreigners from other african countries,burning and looting of shops etc.
Zimbabwe now is what s.africa will become in 10 years time.
The suicide bombings in israel were a carefully thought out campaign of terror aimed at the heart of israeli society with the full support of many countries who stood on the sidelines and quietly looked elsewhere.

One has to wonder what else is in store for jews living in israel and the diaspora.

A Palestinian state could well be the answer to the conflict and it is definitely worth pursuing because i believe it is apartheid that will lead to peace.The total seperation of jews and arabs.Each with there own state.

Nationalism is the new democracy

pabelmont
pabelmont on September 15, 2019, 4:24 pm

Golly! an interruption in world oil consumption (or cheap prices)? Sounds good — from a Climate Crisis POV. Why so hot and bothered, JN?

echinococcus
echinococcus on September 15, 2019, 3:24 pm

Boomer,

The question took its final form in 1897*.

It is a subquestion of the main question: “How do we realize the Zionist objective?” and it reads “How do we best realize the stepwise invasion, occupation, usurpation of sovereignty, theft and genocide**, leaving only us on the land*?”
——

* Following in the steps of a successful answer to a similar question by the Anglo-American colonists

** i.e. erasing stepwise even the very history of the aborigines…

ancientenough
ancientenough on September 15, 2019, 2:52 pm

Boomer, I am not familiar enough with your comments to know whether your last sentence is designed to be facetious? I hope so, because I don’t think Israel looks out for anything other than itself.

eljay
eljay on September 15, 2019, 2:29 pm

… some observers … allow themselves to be astonished by yet another one of Netanyahu’s serial violations …

(Pro-)Zionist observers merely pretend to be astonished.

Boomer
Boomer on September 15, 2019, 2:07 pm

I don’t believe that the current proposal is to annex the entire West Bank.

https://www.juancole.com/2019/09/netanyahu-palestine-acknowledge.html

Still, I wonder, if annexation is the answer, what was the question?

Boomer
Boomer on September 15, 2019, 2:04 pm

Trump says he doesn’t believe his own people because he and Netanyahu are friends. In fact, Trump says he wants a “mutual defense” treaty with Israel. I guess that would commit us to defend Israel’s borders (which are not defined) against all attacks, regardless of Israel’s actions. Of course, Israel would defend us too, so it would be mutual.

echinococcus
echinococcus on September 15, 2019, 1:46 pm

Bah, the likely competition to the Yahoo doesn’t seem to include any fake-“liberals”; if anything the rivals sound even more openly offensive. So even if the Yahoo loses and gets replaced by one of the fascist alternates, no big deal. What would be a disaster (more than even now) would be to see a “Liberal” or “Labor” government that can carry out all the usual crimes against humanity while also providing a pretext to the West and the Ramallah puppets to cooperate without reservation.

echinococcus
echinococcus on September 15, 2019, 1:40 pm

“Almost every country”, dunno. Almost every government, yes. Very different, Canning. Also, that doesn’t mean that almost all will endorse, or continue to endorse, a right of invading Zionists (“Jews” to you, given that you call Palestinians “non-Jews”) to have “their own” state in Palestine, either. Watch them.

kev
kev on September 15, 2019, 1:39 pm

His statement constitutes what I consider to be a blood libel against Palestinians.

I would like to reply with what I consider to be a truth:

Ethnic cleansing and genocide (of Palestinians) for Zionists is an existential necessity for Zionists to achieve the Greater Israel Jewish supremacist state, which is one of the reasons why Zionism is not just morally bankrupt but is wholly evil, because ethnic cleansing and genocide are evil.

The Jewish leaders at the founding of Israel recognized the necessity and shrugged off the evil. The modern state of Israel was conceived in sin, born in sin, and continues to sin against the Palestinians. The US and European states are complicit in aiding and abetting or at least allowing this travesty to continue.

Marnie
Marnie on September 15, 2019, 1:35 pm

Hate speech from leaders of so-called democracies has become so commonplace that it doesn’t shock people like it would have 5 or more years ago. americans and israelis are almost numb to the constant hateful, xenophobic and inciting remarks by their elected officials, Netanyahoo and 45 are the same, arrogant, gross, greedy, racist and completely corrupt criminals and will be held accountable for every tweet they’ve ever made. They, and their horrid adult spawn, should spend the rest of their horrible lives on gitmo.

Mooser
Mooser on September 15, 2019, 1:25 pm

“BTW, I don’t know what trolls do.”

Here you go, “Jackdaw”

Mooser
Mooser on September 15, 2019, 1:08 pm

Oh, I see, there’s an “LOL” at the end. You are being sarcastic.

justice48
justice48 on September 15, 2019, 1:03 pm

Is Al Ma’in synagogue forgery or authentic?
Evidence is needed to explain the presence of a sixth century synagogue in the midst of Byzantine southern Palestine.
Here are facts which may help to answer this question.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATjxkSy9xNk&t=8s
Either way, the examples of Israeli attempts to create/fabricate evidence of ‘Jewish history’ are numerous.
In the 15 years after Nakba, the plan to destroy Palestinian villages had an archaeological team whose purpose was to destroy or keep any buildings or artefacts according to their value singularly for Jewish history if any.

Kay24
Kay24 on September 15, 2019, 1:01 pm

It is utterly frustrating to see our leaders kow-tow to Israel, ignore it’s human rights violations, and ignore it’s obvious crimes against us. Long before Russia and others, we had our dear ally spy on us, and even interfere in our elections. Talk about being ungrateful. We should not forget master spy Jonathan Pollack who was found passing on top secrets to his mother ship, Israel, and that he was found guilty and sentence to life in prison, until Bibi begged and pleaded for his release, which ultimately the US government complied with. The CIA has stated that Israel is the biggest counterintelligence threat in the ME. Mr. Mohamed is correct, with so called friends like this, who needs enemies?

mondoweiss.net/2012/07/cia-considers-israel-the-largest-counterintelligence-threat-in-the-middle-east/

Ossinev
Ossinev on September 15, 2019, 12:54 pm

Perversely a Yahoo victory (subject to coalition building with the right wing dingbats in the Knesset) will IMHO turn out to be the worst result for the International Community but the best result for the Palestinian people. The Yahoo will have little choice but to follow through with his West Bank annexation plans . The ongoing 2SS charade will disappear in a puff of Fascism and the Vichy PA will be exposed for what they have always been = self serving clowns who have done perhaps the most to keep the 2SS charade breathing. The Palestinian people will realise that these clowns have achieved nothing except their own enrichment and they will turn to the only clear and obvious option for them to achieve true dignity and freedom in their own lands by organising and pushing for a single state with equal rights for all. As for the International Community – they will not have the option of turning a blind eye to South Africa Mark 2 in the “only democracy in the Middle East. “LOL

Mooser
Mooser on September 15, 2019, 12:50 pm

“Than Justice48 is a ‘bomb thrower’, who’s already moved on.

I’m so glad “Jackdaw” is watching out for Mondo’s IT security.

Mooser
Mooser on September 15, 2019, 12:36 pm

All I could think when I read the Kagan piece is: “Oh, so now you’re worried? A little late isn’t it?”

James Canning
James Canning on September 15, 2019, 12:10 pm

Aipac is very unlikely to support Israel’s “annexation” of the entire West Bank. The Bantustan strategy is to avoid inclusion in Israel of areas with too many non-Jews.

James Canning
James Canning on September 15, 2019, 12:05 pm

“Some observers fixate on the two-state solution”? Almost every country on the planet endorses the right of the non-Jews in the occupied West Bank to have their own state.

MHughes976
MHughes976 on September 15, 2019, 11:39 am

That’s a useful quote indeed, Eva, though I think that the next few words ..‘Judaea which was then utterly deserted…under the leadership of the exceptionally wise and courageous Moses’, (though he does go on to say that Moses later led victorious armies) are also interesting for offering a comparatively ‘vegetarian’ account of the foundation of Judaea and an early version both of ‘a land without a people’ and even of ‘making the desert bloom’.

Ossinev
Ossinev on September 15, 2019, 11:29 am

@Jackanory
“The continued presence of Jews in Eretz Yisroel over the millenia only reinforces the Jewish attachment to, and claim on, their ancestral homeland”

The continued presence of apes in Eretz Africa over the millenia etc.

echinococcus
echinococcus on September 15, 2019, 10:53 am

“And it certainly doesn’t validate the hateful and immoral Zionist belief that the religion-based identity of Jewish grants to those who choose to embrace it the “right”:”

– to even be there, period.

ancientenough
ancientenough on September 15, 2019, 10:40 am

Well said.

And the damage to the Americans and our true interests to which Mr. Mohamed alludes goes further. Pro-Israel neocons were the architects of post 9/11 U.S. wars and continue to foment for another Middle East war against Iran.

The Watson Institute of Brown University has estimated the U.S. budgetary costs of post-9/11 wars, much of it incurred and spent outside the U.S., including the war on terror, interest on the debt incurred to fund the wars, veteran’s care and disability benefits, top out so far at almost $6 Trillion. And this is to say nothing of the human costs, including thousands of U.S. soldiers killed and many more thousands injured physically and psychologically, hundreds of thousands of civilians killed and millions of refugees.

As Mr. Mohamed suggests, we could much better spend those resources and our energy on the growing problems right here in the U.S., rather than fighting Saudi Arabia and Israel’s wars for them.

echinococcus
echinococcus on September 15, 2019, 9:01 am

“Only an ignoramus believes the Romans threw out all the Jews.”

Finally a correct statement. Tell it to the Zionists, who have been bleating nonsense about a “diaspora”…. because that is their only justification for the fake “return” in the shape of colonial conquest and invasion!

There’s no “diaspora”. Just conversion to Judaism in some places and conversion to Christianity and Islam in Palestine (not to mention Crusade massacres.) With possibly a very few exceptions.

All this of course totally irrelevant to the ownership of Palestine today, which is totally Palestinian.

echinococcus
echinococcus on September 15, 2019, 8:56 am

The Jack$$ has yet to provide certified papers for his personal ancestry. In early Byzantine times the Jack$$’ own, personal ancestors were most probably in Central or Northeast Asia prior to invading the Caspian shore, or in a good half-dozen other places — or perhaps, a chance in a million, even in Palestine, you never know. Only we haven’t seen the certified personal papers of Mr. Jack *$$.

But even if it were different, there comes the problem with certified ancestry. I very much desire to get a Swiss citizenship, with the protected bank account that’s supposed to come with it. I also have undeniable proof that my great-great granpa in the 1840s was a Swiss citizen by birth — but lo and behold the Swiss don’t give me citizenship or automatic right of permanent residence.

I told them that, let alone being a 180-year true descendent, it’s enough to be an obscure-origin co-religionist of some of the inhabitants as of 2,000 years ago. That gives me the right (even onto invading their country and chasing them away, signed Herzl) but they only laughed their @$$es off.

RoHa
RoHa on September 15, 2019, 8:56 am

The continued presence of Palestinian Jews in Palestine over the centuries supports the claim of Palestinian Jews to the right to live in their ancestral homeland.

The continued presence of Palestinian Christians in Palestine over the centuries supports the claim of Palestinian Christians to the right to live in their ancestral homeland.

The continued presence of Palestinian Muslims in Palestine over the centuries supports the claim of Palestinian Muslims to the right to live in their ancestral homeland.

But that continued presence gives no rights to Polish Jews, Bolivian Christians, or Indonesian Muslims.

eljay
eljay on September 15, 2019, 8:42 am

|| Jackdaw: … The continued presence of Jews in Eretz Yisroel over the millenia only reinforces the Jewish attachment to, and claim on, their ancestral homeland. ||

The notion that geographic Palestine is the ancient / historic / ancestral / lost / one true homeland of every person in the world – of every citizen of every homeland throughout the world – who has chosen to embrace the religion-based identity of Jewish is pure Zionist fantasy.

The fact that the geographic Palestinian population over the millennia has included people who have chosen to be Jewish doesn’t transform Zionist fantasy into reality.

And it certainly doesn’t validate the hateful and immoral Zionist belief that the religion-based identity of Jewish grants to those who choose to embrace it the “right”:
– to be supremacists;
– to have a supremacist state; and
– to do “necessary evil” unto others.

echinococcus
echinococcus on September 15, 2019, 6:57 am

Annie

Please.
” you either have to be born into [religion] or brainwashed into it.”

Where is the “or”? Now irrational belief is inborn? No brainwashing if you are beyond facts and logic because you got your craze in the chromosomes of a nominal religion? Wow, that’s stronger even than the Ottomans or the Hebrews.

Jackdaw
Jackdaw on September 15, 2019, 12:40 am

@Roha

Only an ignoramus believes the Romans threw out all the Jews.

The wealthy Jews of Gaza and the Northern Negev built there synagogues 500 years after the Romans destroyed the Jewish presence in Jerusalem.

BTW, the Byzantine Christians did oppress the Jews of Eretz Yisroel, mostly by banning their return to Jerusalem. The Jews of Eretz Yisroel rebelled two or three times against the Byzantines, who slaughtered local Samaritan Jews as well.

The continued presence of Jews in Eretz Yisroel over the millenia only reinforces the Jewish attachment to, and claim on, their ancestral homeland.

Thanks!

JWalters
JWalters on September 15, 2019, 12:37 am

My thanks to these scholars for speaking out so eloquently. The anti-Zionist movement today is akin to the anti-slavery movement of the 1800’s. It is an effort to advance the moral evolution of humanity. The Zionist movement is an effort to push humanity backward 20 centuries, to a time of rampant ethnic supremacy and slavery. Like slavery, and for the same reasons, it needs to be eradicated.

Jackdaw
Jackdaw on September 15, 2019, 12:31 am

Than Justice48 is a ‘bomb thrower’, who’s already moved on.

More reason to doubt him if he’s a keyboard terrorist, but no, you aided and abetted.

BTW, I don’t know what trolls do.

Keith
Keith on September 15, 2019, 12:28 am

ECHINOCOCCUS- “The Great American Jewish Awakening regularly heralded to the sound of trumpets by liberals, including on this site, is nothing but sordid within-one-party domestic US bickering.”

“The Great American Jewish Awakening” is little more than the realization by the Jewish Zionist Democrats that the Israeli Labour Party is kaput, Israeli liberal Zionism a thing of the past, and that the Republican/Likud alliance is here to stay. Yes, this is an internal Jewish Zionist power struggle manifesting itself in Democrat-Republican competition for Jewish Zionist funding. And for influence within the corridors of imperial decision making.

RoHa
RoHa on September 14, 2019, 10:08 pm

” the Lavon affair spy ring ”

If I remember rightly (never guaranteed) when this particular bit of Israeli terrorism was exposed, that nice Mr. Gurion (call me “Ben”) hastily forged documents shifting the blame for it all onto Mr. Lavon.

RoHa
RoHa on September 14, 2019, 10:04 pm

I really don’t know about the mosaic, Mooser, but in general I have to say I agree with Jackdaw’s assessment.

1. The Romans drove out all the Jews from Palestine?

Complete rubbish!

2. The Jews were so oppressed that they could not build synagogues and hire pricey artists?

Complete rubbish!

3. The presence of ancient Jews in Palestine gives a bunch of modern Europeans and Americans sole right of sovereignty over the territory, and the right to slaughter and dispossess the people who were established residents?

Complete rubbish!

Rob Roy
Rob Roy on September 14, 2019, 10:02 pm

This is just another little horror from the Israelis. They are without any sense of fairness in their dealings with Palestinians. Their goal is to get every last Palestinian out of Palestine, dead or alive; thus this sort of thing…,making people finally give up and say, that’s enough…and go. Despicable.

echinococcus
echinococcus on September 14, 2019, 8:11 pm

Eljay,

[to RoHa’s :
“Nothing wrong with Jewish foreigners of homelands all over the world emigrating to geographic Palestine.
As long as they do so with the permission of the people who were already living there, and with the intention of assimilating into the society.” ]

“I agree. ”

Oh yeah? Let’s see

“And that’s why I believe Israel must be reformed…
“to a … Israeli state of and for all people living in or up to n-generations removed from within its / Partition borders”

meaning, you are including the intruders who invaded clearly without “the permission of the people who were already living there”, in fact against the strenuous opposition of the latter, and no permission forthcoming yet after 120+ years,
clearly without “the intention of assimilating into the society”, in fact having declared upfront their intent to subvert sovereignty and build their own, colonial, racial supremacist and genocidaire regime.

So you definitely don’t agree. You state the opposite.
Am I the only one to identify like a want of linear, Aristotelian logic here?

Keith
Keith on September 14, 2019, 6:52 pm

MISTERIOSO- “Frankly, it seems you missed Kagan’s message.”

Robert Kagan is a disreputable neocon with an agenda. Nothing he says should be taken at face value. He is not the type of person I would care to associate myself with. Ever. You quote him at your own peril.

eljay
eljay on September 14, 2019, 6:51 pm

|| RoHa: “Nothing wrong with Jewish foreigners of homelands all over the world emigrating to geographic Palestine.”

As long as they do so with the permission of the people who were already living there, and with the intention of assimilating into the society. ||

I agree. And that’s why I believe Israel must be reformed…
– from a deliberately and unapologetically colonialist, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist “Jewish State” primarily of and for Jewish Israelis and non-Israeli Jews;
– to a law-abiding, secular and democratic Israeli state of and for all people living in or up to n-generations removed from within its / Partition borders.

James Canning
James Canning on September 14, 2019, 6:32 pm

The casual invitation to Israel to violate international law, extended by these Republican Congressmen from the US, is worthy of contempt.

annie
annie on September 14, 2019, 6:20 pm

by “he backed down” what do you mean? justice48 has only commented here 8 times in the last 3 years. what are the chances he/she didn’t even follow the conversation or has not even read this thread or any other from the site since he/she last commented.

good grief, don’t get ahead of yourself.

The last thing I care to do is impress you or your Mondoweiss chums.

is that why you refuse to use the reply button and require your own new thread for each of your comments — the way trolls do?

annie
annie on September 14, 2019, 6:08 pm

dabkr, since the automated popup message has been suspended by facebook, are we supposed to believe you it was never there? is that your point? that haaretz just decided to place quotemarks around some words for the heck of it?

Brewer
Brewer on September 14, 2019, 5:09 pm

Why does Robert Kagan write such bilge?
On the one hand Poland is castigated for outlawing defamatory dialogue whilst on the other, Hungary is disparaged for criticizing Soros.
What is “leaders of the Hungarian Jewish community ‘felt abandoned by Israel’” supposed to mean? What role does Israel have in Hungarian business? (I am presuming “leaders of the Hungarian Jewish community” are fully paid up Hungarian citizens.)
What could possibly motivate an enthusiast for the most nationalistic race-based State in the modern World to lament “A rising tide of white nationalism in the United States”? (in fact there are about eight White Nationalist organizations, most with a mere handful of supporters, in the U.S. and they have been in steady decline since the 60s. According to Wikipedia there are around 53 Jewish political organizations and this does not include crime syndicates ).
As for “an increase in the incidence of anti-Semitism”, did they not recently gerrymander this silly concept to include criticism of Israel? That would have been a boost.

From where I sit he appears to be an outright (though rather poor) propagandist or living behind a one-way mirror. His stuff should be called out for what it is at every opportunity.

echinococcus
echinococcus on September 14, 2019, 4:46 pm

Never mind that, Kagan beautifully gives away the real nature of the so-called disillusionment of American Liberals and Democrats that chose “Jewish” as identity politics label: the reason they have a slight “problem” with the Zionist state’s current policy is not that they are in any way opposed to either Zionism or Empire:

“American Jews, of course, are also overwhelmingly Democrats and have, therefore, also been unhappy about close Israeli ties with Republican presidents, a fact which historically Israel has had little choice but to ignore. No one could blame Israel for trying to stay close to an American president who has offered as much to Israel as Trump has.”

The Great American Jewish Awakening regularly heralded to the sound of trumpets by liberals, including on this site, is nothing but sordid within-one-party domestic US bickering.

Of course it may have a valuable side effect: this Dimm/Puke bickering might contribute to push a few people to see through the shell game of denying Palestinian rights (like ownership of the country) while invoking some American-style “equality”.

No surprise, the PW site doesn’t like this comment, what’s new…

Mooser
Mooser on September 14, 2019, 4:45 pm

“just not a quote” “Dabakr”

“Arabs want to annihilate us all – women, children and men” – that is Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s new message to voters, which appears through an automated popup message that appears on the screen of anybody accessing his official Facebook page.

It don’t get much quotier than that, “Dabakr”

Mooser
Mooser on September 14, 2019, 4:39 pm

Well, it’s a sensible strategy for the IDF. They will always have at least one war crime for which they have a definitive defense.

Mooser
Mooser on September 14, 2019, 4:33 pm

” It has to be determined how to become a secular state with respect for minority interests and rights, without discrimination under the law as Palestinian liberators first envisioned” “Brent”

OMFG. Don’t worry “Brent”, there’s very little possibility the Palestinians will discriminate against the Jews in Israel.

echinococcus
echinococcus on September 14, 2019, 4:27 pm

“As long as they do so with the permission of the people who were already living there, and with the intention of assimilating into the society.”

Repeating RoHa, just in case, hooping that LJ hears it this time.

jon s
jon s on September 14, 2019, 4:15 pm

Once again, misterioso errs: Eli Cohen was interrogated by Egyptian investigators but no connection to the Lavon affair spy ring could be proved and he was released. He did not spend two years in an Egyptian prison.

Mooser
Mooser on September 14, 2019, 4:13 pm

“If I thought for one minute that the mosaic was tampered with, I’d tell you.” “Jackdaw”

Of course you would! And you would know, having a degree in Mosaic Law.

BTW, “Jackdaw” isn’t your relationship with Mondo getting obsessive? You’ll just end up getting yourself banned.

Misterioso
Misterioso on September 14, 2019, 3:55 pm

@Keith and Mooser

A hurried response:

Frankly, it seems you missed Kagan’s message. He’s a Zionist who is reading the writing on the wall and sees distinct signs within the world community and the U.S. that in the future, Washington may well decide to set “Israel” adrift. History has several precedents, e.g., France and Algeria; Britain and Rhodesia; Belgium and the Congo.

For me, the most interesting questions he asks are:

“What makes Israelis think if the United States were to cease supporting the liberal world order and began shedding the alliances it created after World War II, that the only ally it would not shed would be Israel?… And how would Israel fare in the kind of world that would emerge if the United States stopped trying to uphold the liberal order? ”

“What would be the fate of tiny nations such as Israel in such a world, no matter how well they might be armed and no matter how advanced their economies? In today’s world, Israel is strong and successful. It outshines its weaker and less-developed neighbors. But in the world of self-interested sovereign nation-states, a world with no liberal community, Israel is a mouse surrounded by elephants, …”

“Could Israel, with its few millions of citizens, surrounded by enemies on all sides, and no longer living under the umbrella of the United States’ global hegemony, rely on the support of European nations ruled by right-wing nationalists? Is a divided, renationalized Europe good for Israel, or for anyone? Would Israelis look to Hungary and Poland, to Britain, or to Russia and China for support? Can they depend on the friendship and stability of the Sunni Arab dictatorships? …”

The obvious answer is “NO.” Why would another country with enough problems of its own pick up or make friends with an American cast off that has been brutally and illegally occupying, dispossessing and expelling indigenous Palestinians for seven decades? Indeed, for any relationship to develop, especially with the Arab world and Iran, Jews living between the River and the Sea would have to abandon Zionism, withdraw from illegally occupied lands and agree to live equally, side by side with the Palestinians. (Hopefully, It may well be an inevitable outcome.)

“Israel’s relationship with American Jews has also grown more complicated. By far the largest segment of the Jewish diaspora, American Jews have also been the most liberal, in all senses of the word. This reflects their understanding that it is the essentially liberal nature of American society — with the protection of individuals and minorities enumerated in the Bill of Rights and generally protected by the courts — that has made the United States a haven for Jews and other minority groups… No one could blame Israel for trying to stay close to an American president who has offered as much to Israel as Trump has. Yet, again, Israel has gone beyond pragmatism. A rising tide of white nationalism in the United States has accompanied Trump’s rise to office, and this has included an increase in the incidence of anti-Semitism including, in some cases, violent anti-Semitism. …”

In short, as is patently obvious, “Israel” is increasingly becoming a major liability and a curse for American Jews.

No other country is likely to ally itself with an anachronistic, former U.S. dependent entity. Indeed, no other country could afford it financially or geopolitically. “Israel” is a square peg that for 71 years Zionists have been trying to pound into a round hole.

In my view, for a multitude of reasons, the “Special Relationship” between the U.S., a declining power, and “Israel,” an ever increasingly heavy millstone around its neck, will inevitably end. As recent developments with Iran along with declining Jewish immigration and soaring emigration attest, it is not for ever.

Time will tell.

Jackdaw
Jackdaw on September 14, 2019, 3:00 pm

@Annie

The last thing I care to do is impress you or your Mondoweiss chums.
The last thing.

What I want to do is to reveal the truth.

When bigots like Justice48 lie and slander, than I challenge them, and like a typical bully, he backed down when challenged.
A liar and a coward.

I drove an hour and half today in order to find out the truth for myself.
If I thought for one minute that the mosaic was tampered with, I’d tell you.

Annie. You let Justice48 off, because his lies comport with your narrative.
To hell with the truth, so long as our side advances the ball.

DaBakr
DaBakr on September 14, 2019, 2:51 pm

@a

So, it’s a block quote of an inferred by-line from Haaretz. I guess. Not saying it twisted anything, just not a quote

Kay24
Kay24 on September 14, 2019, 2:33 pm

Isn’t he nice? He announces he is going to p.off the rest of the world, when he is about to steal lands to build homes for illegal squatters. How considerate of him.

Mooser
Mooser on September 14, 2019, 1:51 pm

“Period.”

You are right, enough about birds. Now, what has large floppy ears, is grey and always carries a trunk?

annie
annie on September 14, 2019, 1:45 pm

jack, either way, color me unimpressed.

here’s what i see, clearly: a massive push to turn palestine into a judaic theme park as part of a colonial project. an area with a long history of all kinds of people inhabiting it all taking a back seat to a specific people who (presumably) had a dynasty there for 70 years back in the day and now has archeologists crawling all over it and under it in a quest to prove the dominance of one people over this region. get it? unimpressed. and under these conditions i view everything coming out of this time period (today) as heavily biased, marginal, and with skepticism.

try not to take it too personally, this is my nature. the same nature as the little girl who challenged the belief anyone ever walked on water and reindeers don’t fly by the age of three. the same person who challenged the idea jesus was ever a real person from my early teens (still not convinced). don’t take it personally. this is an era of photoshopping, fake news, desperate gullible people trying to PROVE what happened thousands of years ago. NOT IMPRESSED. let it go. some people won’t be convince no matter how much you hammer your ptv, w/accusations of bigotry or whatever. you’re barking up the wrong tree.

Mooser
Mooser on September 14, 2019, 1:44 pm

As goes the Right, so go the all-rightniks. Israel will get along fine with those countries.

Jackdaw
Jackdaw on September 14, 2019, 12:24 pm

@Peacock Annie

I drove to Nirim today to see first hand the Maon/Nirim mosaic.

It is most definitely NOT a replaced menorah.

The site was Jewish synagogue.

Period.

Boomer
Boomer on September 14, 2019, 10:47 am

if annexation is the answer, what is the question?

Keith
Keith on September 14, 2019, 10:45 am

MISTERIOSO- “Must read:”

Must read? Robert Kagan, neoliberal imperial warmonger? Husband of Victoria Nuland? Unless you intended the reading to be a warning, you had better explain your apparent enthusiasm for this advocate of imperial hegemony euphemistically called “liberal order.”

Misterioso
Misterioso on September 14, 2019, 10:05 am

Must read:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/09/12/liberal-world-order-helped-israel-flourish-now-state-is-pushing-back/

“Israel and the decline of the liberal order” by Robert Kagan, The Washington Post, Sept. 12/19

“The rise of nationalism around the globe may be reflected in the outcome of Israeli elections on Tuesday”

EXCERPTS:
“What makes Israelis think if the United States were to cease supporting the liberal world order and began shedding the alliances it created after World War II, that the only ally it would not shed would be Israel?… And how would Israel fare in the kind of world that would emerge if the United States stopped trying to uphold the liberal order? Such a world would once again be a multipolar struggle for power and advantage, pitting Russia, China, India, Japan, Iran, the stronger European powers and the United States against one another — all with large populations, significant territories and vast economies. What would be the fate of tiny nations such as Israel in such a world, no matter how well they might be armed and no matter how advanced their economies? In today’s world, Israel is strong and successful. It outshines its weaker and less-developed neighbors. But in the world of self-interested sovereign nation-states, a world with no liberal community, Israel is a mouse surrounded by elephants, all clamoring for a piece of the Middle East. Historically, from the Romans to the Ottomans to the British and French, the peoples of the Middle East have enjoyed only such autonomy as the ruling empires granted them. Otherwise, they were pawns and victims in a much larger game in which they were hopelessly outmatched.

“Could Israel, with its few millions of citizens, surrounded by enemies on all sides, and no longer living under the umbrella of the United States’ global hegemony, rely on the support of European nations ruled by right-wing nationalists? Is a divided, renationalized Europe good for Israel, or for anyone? Would Israelis look to Hungary and Poland, to Britain, or to Russia and China for support? Can they depend on the friendship and stability of the Sunni Arab dictatorships? …”

“Israel’s rapprochement with European right-wing nationalism has, so far, required winking at Poland’s law making it a crime to suggest Polish involvement in the killing of Jews during World War II — the joint statement signed by Poland and Israel last year was denounced by Yad Vashem as filled with ‘grave errors and deceptions.’ It has required ignoring the history of Hungarian nationalism amid Orban’s profession of affection for Israel. When Orban and his party waged a campaign against Hungarian-born Jewish philanthropist George Soros that was riddled with anti-Semitic content, and the Israeli ambassador in Budapest lodged a protest, the Israeli foreign ministry overruled him and declared Soros a legitimate target (perhaps not least because Soros funds activities in Israel that are regarded as hostile to the Netanyahu government). Many leaders of the Hungarian Jewish community ‘felt abandoned by Israel.’ As Oren notes, it may be tempting for Israelis to overlook the unsavory past of groups that now claim to love Israel, but ‘we should be very, very cautious about the way we are willing to trade our legacy for possible contemporary or future benefits.’

“Israel’s relationship with American Jews has also grown more complicated. By far the largest segment of the Jewish diaspora, American Jews have also been the most liberal, in all senses of the word. This reflects their understanding that it is the essentially liberal nature of American society — with the protection of individuals and minorities enumerated in the Bill of Rights and generally protected by the courts — that has made the United States a haven for Jews and other minority groups. American Jews, of course, are also overwhelmingly Democrats and have, therefore, also been unhappy about close Israeli ties with Republican presidents, a fact which historically Israel has had little choice but to ignore. No one could blame Israel for trying to stay close to an American president who has offered as much to Israel as Trump has. Yet, again, Israel has gone beyond pragmatism. A rising tide of white nationalism in the United States has accompanied Trump’s rise to office, and this has included an increase in the incidence of anti-Semitism including, in some cases, violent anti-Semitism. …”

Misterioso
Misterioso on September 14, 2019, 9:43 am

@DaBakr

Meanwhile, Israel descends ever faster and deeper into the pit of fascism.

“Israel’s Right Wing Is Worse Than Europe’s” by Zeev Sternhell, Haaretz, July 19/19

EXCERPT:
“From the end of the 19th century, radical, anti-liberal nationalism – after serving as a basis for fascism throughout Europe and Nazism in Germany, and despite calling itself an ideology of national unity – essentially became an ideology of civil war. Hostility toward different categories of citizens, not just ethnic minorities but ideological adversaries, became a primary tool of nationalists. So it was in the past and so it is today in countries where vicious nationalism rules: From ostensibly democratic India, which abuses its minorities, to Poland and Hungary, to Benjamin Netanyahu’s Israel, which is consciously moving toward becoming an apartheid state.

“In truth, the Israeli right, which maintains the settlements with their racist, backward rabbis, is much worse that the European nationalist right, which is wary of displaying open racism and anti-Semitism, lest it be accused of fostering an ideology akin to Nazism. Here we have no such problem because hey, we’re all Jews, and who would dare accuse a Jew of approximating the kind of Nazi ideology that preceded World War II?…”

gamal
gamal on September 14, 2019, 8:07 am

very creditable I am sure however Judith “I in no way support Hamas” Butler might do worse than listen to Samar Hassan, who is famous you have all seen her picture…like the Vietnamese napalm girl..

apparently she received an apology from one of the perps

“He asked the documentarians to please tell Samar if they could find her that he is sorry.
She did not accept the apology.

“Everybody knows my story and saw my picture,” she tells the filmmakers in between the pauses as a translator relays her words leav- ing ample time for them to spread out and fill the space of the room.

“But it’s not going to help me with anything.” She remembers that night. It’s never gone from her thoughts. “I hear them screaming in my head and the sound of shooting.” “What would sorry do?” she asks. “They’re gone. Is sorry going to bring them back? No, it won’t. That’s it. It’s done.”…

“it’s one of the last things Samar says in the documentary about the men—Bush and McCain’s men, our men—who killed her family for nothing.

What would she say to them if they were to tell her they were sorry?

“I will never forgive them. I will just leave it to God. God will pun- ish them,” she says, her voice rising in anger.

“If they were in front of me, I would want to drink their blood,” she says.

“Even then I wouldn’t be satisfied.”

https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/09/13/i-would-want-to-drink-their-blood-god-will-punish-them/

How refreshing to hear from an Arab woman.

Eva Smagacz
Eva Smagacz on September 14, 2019, 6:26 am

Hi MHughes976,

Had great fun looking it up.

So the original writing of Hecataeus of Abdera was not preserved, but Diodorus Siculus incorporated his accounts in his own work, which also has been lost, but then the text was referred to by guy called Photius of Constantinopol, who wrote:

From the fortieth book [of Diodorus], about the middle:(34)

“[3.1) Now that we intend to record the war against the Jews, we consider it appropriate to give first an outline [εν χεφαλαιοιζ] of the foundation [ktisis] from its beginning and of the customs [nomima] practiced among them.

When in ancient times a pestilence arose in Egypt, the ordinary people ascribed their troubles to the working of a divine power [το δαιμονιον]; for indeed with many strangers of all sorts dwelling in their midst and practicing different habits of rites and sacrifice, their own traditional observances in honour of the gods had fallen into disuse.

[3.2] Hence the natives of the land [ of Egypt ] surmised that unless they removed the foreigners, their troubles would never be resolved.

At once, therefore, the aliens were driven from the country; and the most outstanding [επιφανεστατοι] and active among them banded together and, as some say, were cast ashore in Greece and certain other regions; (..) But the greater number were driven into what is now called Judea “

All found in book by Bezalel Bar-Kochva “Pseudo Hecataeus, “On the Jews”: Legitimizing the Jewish Diaspora” University of California Press 1996

RoHa
RoHa on September 14, 2019, 3:52 am

“it’s not unusual for religions or cults to imbue significance to certain terms or ideas that hold no meaning outside that realm.”

True, but I want to see what the term means. When a Christian tells us what he means by “blood of Christ”, then we can discuss the idea and see whether it is a coherent concept that has some connection to reality, or just a load of old cobblers, or something in between.

annie
annie on September 14, 2019, 2:42 am

“Arabs want to annihilate us all – women, children and men” – that is Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s new message to voters, which appears through an automated popup message that appears on the screen of anybody accessing his official Facebook page.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/elections/.premium-netanyahu-s-new-election-message-arabs-want-to-annihilate-us-all-1.7832283

annie
annie on September 14, 2019, 2:22 am

it’s not unusual for religions or cults to imbue significance to certain terms or ideas that hold no meaning outside that realm. like referencing ‘blood of christ’ (for christians) or referring to a person as a clear (scientology, free of reactive mind). you either have to be born into it or brainwashed into it. if everyone had an attachment to the idea of their historic homeland people would be clamoring to get their dna tests and swarming back to africa or europe or wherever, to kick people out of their homes and imagine their great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great etc grandparents lived their in the bronze age (which gives them some inherent right of possession), and they aren’t. it’s a manufactured sentiment, unless you’ve been indoctrinated into believing it has significance. iow, it’s perfectly fine if means nothing to you, means you’re like the other 98.9% of humanity. or 99.9%, i have no idea.

RoHa
RoHa on September 14, 2019, 1:08 am

And we all know that anthropophagy is wrong.

RoHa
RoHa on September 14, 2019, 12:46 am

You keep using this term “historic homeland” as though it were some sort of significant mantra. But it has no effect until you tell us what it actually means, what implications you think it has, and what arguments support those implications.

RoHa
RoHa on September 14, 2019, 12:44 am

So the Romans didn’t drive out the Jews from Palestine, and the Jews who stayed were not so oppressed that they couldn’t build synagogues and afford first rate mosaic artists to decorate the floors.

Fine.

And how does this give modern European Jews any rights whatsoever to Palestine?

RoHa
RoHa on September 14, 2019, 12:39 am

“Nothing wrong with Jewish foreigners of homelands all over the world emigrating to geographic Palestine.”

As long as they do so with the permission of the people who were already living there, and with the intention of assimilating into the society.

oldgeezer
oldgeezer on September 14, 2019, 12:17 am

And Al Haq is correct.

Additionally there is an ICJ ruling as to the liability and culpability of those who do not distinguish their relations between Israel and the territory it illegally occupies.

Like true criminals zionists are pushing governments to violate the law which is against their citizens interests.

Zionism is not only racism but criminal. It needs to be dealt with and stamped out like all other forms of supremacism.

DaBakr
DaBakr on September 14, 2019, 12:15 am

The block quotes around ‘Arabs want to annihilate us all ‘ do not belong there because that statement was never made. The actual statement is further down in the piece -or -on Netanyahus page. Just saying, as I’ve been called out on incorrect block quotes a few times here.

echinococcus
echinococcus on September 14, 2019, 12:14 am

What’s there to doubt, Canning? The Zionist entity has always done
just that: annex areas with “too many non-Jews”, then chase, deport or eliminate them, so they end up not being many and sometimes not even few. Why not this time?

echinococcus
echinococcus on September 13, 2019, 9:24 pm

“… a good likelihood that Netanyahu will continue to be the face of Israel for the foreseeable future.”

Better that, any day, than a “human face” of smarmy pseudo-humanism to cover the genocidal action.

echinococcus
echinococcus on September 13, 2019, 9:21 pm

You’re right, at that. Thanks.

Hanna Kawas
Hanna Kawas on September 13, 2019, 8:27 pm

Al Haq has stated the following:
International Law: Under Article 1 of the Fourth Geneva Convention, all High Contracting Parties (which includes Canada), are required to take action to ensure respect for the Convention “in all circumstances.” http://www.alhaq.org/advocacy/6129.html

U.N. Special Rapporteur Michael Lynk has repeatedly emphasized Article 1 obligations and even stated that Canada’s updated Free Trade Agreement with Israel itself violates Article 1 of the Convention. An article he coauthored with Alex Neve, Secretary General of Amnesty International Canada, stated: “Among the most important prohibitions in the Fourth Geneva Convention is the absolute rule, in Article 49(6), against the transfer by the occupying power of any of its civilian population into the occupied territory” and “The 1957 Geneva Conventions Act commits Canada to respect the strict obligations of the convention, including the prohibition against civilian settlements in occupied territory.” Lynk notes that the free trade pact “makes no distinction between Israel and its illegal settlements in the Palestinian territory, and it provides encouragement to the economic growth of the settlements by allowing their goods and services to enter Canada tariff-free.”

Kay24
Kay24 on September 13, 2019, 8:11 pm

Rep. Ilham Omar is right, these members of Congress are deep in the pockets of AIPAC/Israel.
Shame on McCarthy, he has become yet another puppet doing Israel’s bidding, and conveniently forgetting about human rights, and setting occupied people free from oppression.

These shameless Americans are obviously pro occupation, pro land grabs, and all for killing unarmed men, women, and children.

JWalters
JWalters on September 13, 2019, 7:22 pm

Further evidence emerges on Israel’s “mysterious” ability to steer members of Congress into voting against America’s stated ideals, America’s interests, and common decency.

“Looks Like Israel Was Caught Spying on Capitol Hill Cell Phones and Trump Was Fine With It”
https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019/09/13/looks-israel-was-caught-spying-capitol-hill-cell-phones-and-trump-was-fine-it

More on Israel’s deep spying operations is here.

“How the CIA, Mossad and “the Epstein Network” are Exploiting Mass Shootings to Create an Orwellian Nightmare”
https://www.mintpressnews.com/cia-israel-mossad-jeffrey-epstein-orwellian-nightmare/261692/

rafa santisteban
rafa santisteban on September 13, 2019, 5:05 pm

Pls explain how Weiss gets the $170m fig. for Adelson buying Trump. I’m quite prepared to believe it – for what Trump has done for Israel, he should have got $1 bn at least – but I’d like details.

James Canning
James Canning on September 13, 2019, 5:02 pm

@brent: Will Israel annex areas of the West Bank with too many non-Jews? I very much doubt it.

Keith
Keith on September 13, 2019, 4:40 pm

ECHINOCOCCUS- “… as the means to an end: land theft.”

Zionism has changed over time such that the establishment of the Jewish state has become the means to re-establish Jewish Zionist sectarianism as a means of enhancing Jewish Zionist power. The true importance of Zionism is the impact of Zionist Jews on imperial policies.

Keith
Keith on September 13, 2019, 4:18 pm

DABAKR- ““they tried to kill us, we survived, now let’s eat “

Yes, it is important to keep your strength up when you plan on shooting and crying to the very limits of endurance.

MHughes976
MHughes976 on September 13, 2019, 3:46 pm

It sounds awful, Eva, but what we see here, I think, is a); actually an element of compunction – did God permit the Israelites to kill and despoil innocent and peaceful people? No, surely. So there must have been something that would have removed them from the land in any event – b) the belief that the land ceases to be fertile if the gods are not placated – c) an early version of the idea that the land was ‘without a people’ because it had ‘vomited out’ all of them (by being no longer fertile) or all but a symbolic few of them. I think that Ptolemy’s historian Hecataeus was told this in the early days of Alexandria.

echinococcus
echinococcus on September 13, 2019, 3:46 pm

“The Zionists began settling in Eretz Yisroel while it was Ottoman.”

Without authorization from the inhabitants. Without authorization even from the Sultan to take over sovereignty.

“More Zionists were invited to settle in their historic ‘homeland’ after the League of Nations duly deliberated and invited settlement”

Without authorization from the inhabitants, who now were owners of the territory.

How many thousand times has this …. Zionist been told the same and how many thousand times does he repeat his nonsense without ever bang able to answer an elementary rebuttal that cancels his BS? Remember Julius Streicher.

eljay
eljay on September 13, 2019, 3:17 pm

|| Jackdaw: “steal, occupy and colonize geographic Palestine” … ||

Correct.

|| … The Zionists began settling in Eretz Yisroel while it was Ottoman. … ||

Nothing wrong with Jewish foreigners of homelands all over the world emigrating to geographic Palestine.

|| … their historic ‘homeland’ … ||

Geographic Palestine wasn’t the historic (or ancient, ancestral, eternal, lost or one true) homeland of every person in the world who chose to embrace the religion-based identity of Jewish.

|| … The Jewish population of Eretz Yisroel swelled to one third, before the land was engulfed in a civil war, which the Arabs began and which the Jews finished. … ||

It was the Jewish supremacists (Zionists) and not “the Arabs” who planned to carve out of geographic Palestine – the actual homeland of all geographic Palestinians – as large as possible a religion-supremacist “Jewish State” for themselves and for Jewish foreigners all over the world at the expense of the indigenous non-Jewish geographic Palestinian population.

But, yeah, aggressor-victimhood is a tough gig.  :-(

|| … Through out the entire period of the Mandate, 30 years, the Arabs legally sold their lands to the Jews for pound sterling. ||

Nothing wrong with the indigenous population of geographic Palestine selling land to Jewish foreigners.

|| … “steal, occupy and colonize geographic Palestine” … ||

Correct.

Ossinev
Ossinev on September 13, 2019, 2:14 pm

@Nathan
“Throughout the years, I read the Mondoweiss website, and it’s rather clear that its position is the one-state solution. One reads again and again that the two-state solution is “dead”.”

Dead ? LOL. It was never alive. The pretense of a 2SS was an ongoing con job perpetrated by ZIO governements of every shade or hue to keep those pesky Arabs in check and to fool the International Community. They were facilitated in allowing the ruse to continue by the Vichy self serving collaborators in the PA.

Now it is unravelling and the only thing which is stopping it from imploding completely is the ongoing collaboration of Abbas,Erekat et al who really don`t give a toss about their fellow Palestinians and care only about retaining the perks of being “international statesmen”.

Sooner rather than later the younger generation of Palestinians will grab the keys from their grubby hands and hand them back to the Zios.

And afterwards:
1) Stage 1 – a single blatantly Apartheid Zio state. No tricks or ruses to hide that reality from the International Community
2) Stage 2 – South Africa revisited = full scale International Pariah status leading to BDS by the International Community inc companies , sporting bodies , cultural bodies etc. Not forgetting full scale loathing of everything and anything Israeli by ordinary people in the West with Zios having no fallback defense of alleged “Anti – Semitism”.
3 ) Mass emigration by panicked “secular Israelis” to Western countries leaving a rump of unhinged Zealots running the colony alongside whats left of the sensible “left” trying desperately to prevent not least 4)
4) Economic implosion.
5) Either by force or persuasion Palestinians (just like native South Africans ) gaining equal rights in whatever the inevitable single state has become or is subsequently named.

And the long suffering eternally victimised (sob) Zios have only got their racist arrogant selves to blame. Chickens/roost.

Kay24
Kay24 on September 13, 2019, 1:58 pm

Israel is on the verge of voting for a corrupt man, notorious for being a liar, and responsible for the deaths of innocent civilians.

Life goes on in Zio land.

Jackdaw
Jackdaw on September 13, 2019, 1:33 pm

“steal, occupy and colonize geographic Palestine”

???

The Zionists began settling in Eretz Yisroel while it was Ottoman.

More Zionists were invited to settle in their historic ‘homeland’ after the League of Nations duly deliberated and invited settlement. For the Arabs part, the League created for the Arabs the States of Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and Jordan.

The Jewish population of Eretz Yisroel swelled to one third, before the land was engulfed in a civil war, which the Arabs began and which the Jews finished. Through out the entire period of the Mandate, 30 years, the Arabs legally sold their lands to the Jews for pound sterling.

“steal, occupy and colonize geographic Palestine”
?????

Mooser
Mooser on September 13, 2019, 12:48 pm

“the author decides Vegans cannot be Vegans if they do not share her political opinions on Palestine.”

Have you considered the fact that IDF troops who are vegan would be hard to credibly accuse of anthropophagy?

Mooser
Mooser on September 13, 2019, 12:44 pm

“they tried to kill us, we survived, now let’s eat “

ROTFLMSJAO! Do you mind if I steal that? Never heard it before.

Mooser
Mooser on September 13, 2019, 12:36 pm

“It already is one state…”

So Israel can dispense with International Law? And you think it’s own laws can be appealed to for “minority rights and interests”?

Love the way you stick that “minority” in there, too.

Mooser
Mooser on September 13, 2019, 12:32 pm

“It already is one state and now the question has become what kind of governance should there be”

Which governmental and legal changes will be adjudicated, by-golly-gee-whillikers under the august provisions (it might have been a different month) of Israel’s Constitution, and “Nation-State Law”?

Vera Gottlieb
Vera Gottlieb on September 13, 2019, 12:29 pm

“Annexation”…is this what stealing is called these days???

Vera Gottlieb
Vera Gottlieb on September 13, 2019, 12:27 pm

Enough of all your fear and scare mongering, Bibi. Enough of all your lies. You put yourself on a pedestal on which you most certainly DO NOT belong.

Mooser
Mooser on September 13, 2019, 12:11 pm

“Nobody called me Ribald up to this day, Mooser.”

No, in the all commenter production of Pinafore I’ve got you down for “Mrs. Cripps”:

“Things are seldom what they seem,
Skim milk masquerades as cream;
Highlows pass as patent leathers;
Jackdaws strut in peacock’s feathers.”

And very true, so they do.

Mooser
Mooser on September 13, 2019, 11:57 am

“Sodastream factory that was employing mostly Arabs from the West Bank. You would rather see them unemployed than working for a Jewish, Zionistically orientated company.”

Wow, are we Jews coming along into the big-time, or what? Now States can be “Jewish” and an business enterprise can be “Jewish, Zionistically orientated” (LOL “orientated”) but “Arabs from the West Bank” can’t be Palestinians.