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echinococcus
echinococcus on October 22, 2019, 2:47 pm

PJ Dude,

You surely mean the Zionist entity, who does this every hour on the hour, in plain daylight.
If heavens would deign give us even a little bit of adult guidance by the Russian government we’d be much better off, of course, but I (or any sentient person) don’t see it. You provided no proof at all — hallucinating, I take it.

echinococcus
echinococcus on October 22, 2019, 2:44 pm

PJ Dude,

No proof. None. Come with proof that passes the rules of evidence, or hold your peace, preferably forever.

As for
” i do agree clinton needs to own up telling appalachia and the rust belt they were screwed…”

Forget Appalachia, the only thing she needs is a good trial in Nuremberg — along with all members of the Demolican administration (and the Repucrat one, too) and most of Congress, of course.

brent
brent on October 22, 2019, 2:22 pm

It is a tragedy that terrorism is focused on rather than the subject or storyline of the book.

Terrorism was introduced in Palestine by Jewish groups to end the British mandate and drive them out. Palestinian resistance groups later picked up the practice. A book could be written on why that didn’t work and those resistance groups gave it up, but, the memory lingers and there is a price. Acts of retaliation are characterized as terrorism and the periodic lone wolf violence is not criticized forcefully enough to escape the reputation….. so far.

Mooser
Mooser on October 22, 2019, 1:57 pm

. Israel is poor in the essence of happiness, “Mysterioso” – rich only in never-ending
unrest. In Israel there meet a combination of antithetical elements which are at eternal war with one another. Driven hither by objective influences – thither by subjective emotions. Wafted one moment into blazing day, by mocking hope – plunged the next into the Cimmerian darkness of tangible despair, Israel is but a living ganglion of irreconcilable antagonisms.

Mooser
Mooser on October 22, 2019, 1:50 pm

“Your comment sounds like a joke but I have a feeling that you’re actually serious.”

Oh, I’m sure “brent” is quite serious. He’s calculated the odds, and wants to be on the winning side. After all, one day, it’s inevitable, we will wake up and everything will be the opposite of what we think it’s been.
But I trust “brent”, I don’t think he will descend to “I-told-you-so’s” when that happens. He’ll be nice about it.

brent
brent on October 22, 2019, 1:49 pm

It has been stunning to see the dishonest journalism, the point of view reporting by MSM, PBS, and NPR. None of them informed Americans of what was actually happening in Ukraine, Libya, or Syria. It is near impossible such ommissions of facts and understanding to unfold without a corrupted primary media. Our foreign policy decisions are likely to remain seriously corrupt if the media coup is successful and the public doesn’t demand professionalism.

Trump has reversed the policy objective of dismantling Syria that Obama was pushed into. Seems enough people, even many who don’t pay much attention, realize there is a battle underway for militarism vs diplomacy. One doesn’t have to like Trump’s foolish mouth to realize what will be lost if the coup succeeds.

No doubt Trump has an arrangement to work with Saudi Arabia, probably designed to keep gasoline cheap. The question is whether he can withstand the pressures and eventually bring peace to the ME as he has openly declared as a goal. Like Obama, he seeks to work with Russia toward that end. The war state is so alarmed it’s risking exposing its media influence to stop him, something it didn’t have to do to stop Obama.

When I listen to the hype by NPR during fundraising, I pray for the day they will live up to their self image.

genesto
genesto on October 22, 2019, 1:48 pm

Rigor mortis is setting in amongst the dying breed known as liberal Zionists. Thanks to the right wing in Israel – supported by our white nationalist leader here – eliminating even the slightest chance of a 2SS, and the anti-Zionist movement growing among young American Jews, the liberal Zionists are sounding more and more desperate very day.

The movement towards Palestinian freedom and justice will move forward more rapidly once these troglodytes are gone from the scene.

henspert
henspert on October 22, 2019, 1:45 pm

Hi – Does anyone know of a site or resource that keeps track of olive trees destroyed or damaged? I would like to make a poster or board for my faith community to see the ongoing tree count. Robert henspert at yahoo is email.

Mooser
Mooser on October 22, 2019, 1:32 pm

“They just drop a bit of water on it.”

“RoHa”, I have already suggested and advocated a non-invasive circumcision ritual.
Basically, less all the preparation*: At the height of the ritual, the male infant’s you-know-what is exposed, and just touched with the tip of the sterile knife. Naturally, the kid sets up a howl, and the Rabbi intones the blessing:
“And that young man, will remind you to keep it in your pants, until it’s called for, by name, Amen!”

*Logistics, seating, lighting, sound system, opener bands, main attractions, troupe of dancers, catering, rehearsal, etc. The entire thing lasts a week.

Mooser
Mooser on October 22, 2019, 1:20 pm

“why do you think its ok for russia to interfere in our elections?”

Russia doesn’t care if it’s “okay” or not, they just go ahead and do it. (As the US has done in many foreign elections, worse, fomented coups)

What mystifies me is why they think it is OK for Trump to accept and engage the Russian (and etc.) help.

Mooser
Mooser on October 22, 2019, 1:09 pm

” the conspiracy theories im seeing here in the comments are scary.”

15 minutes of these videos, and if they have a lick of sense, they’ll be singing “God Bless America” the way Kate Smith used to, instead of “Samovar Over the Rainbow.”

genesto
genesto on October 22, 2019, 1:00 pm

So much for the argument that the Israel lobby only has power over Congress vis a vis its policy towards the Palestinians.

Sorry, Mr. Chomsky!

genesto
genesto on October 22, 2019, 12:53 pm

If Warren wants to re-establish cred with the progressive base on this, she should immediately fire Roger Lau!

Playing footsie with the base on Israel/Palestine is suicidal for candidates like Warren and Bernie (though not accusing him of this, he has wavered a bit too much for comfort), who depend upon the trust and energy of that same base for having any chance of winning next year. Playing ‘safe’ on Israel/Palestine makes you no better than all the other political opportunists plugging up the candidate field at present.

eljay
eljay on October 22, 2019, 12:33 pm

|| brent: Congress has for so long proclaimed the 2SS because they intuitively know supporting an official apartheid state would not be politically viable in America. … ||

So…who told Congress that the only options available to support were a 2SS or “an official apartheid state”?

If members of Congress wanted to, they could have been calling for and supporting a one-secular-and-democratic-state solution all along.

But they haven’t because they – like other Western politicians – willingly, fearfully and/or benjaminly support Zionism and its supremacist “Jewish State” construct.

Your comment sounds like a joke but I have a feeling that you’re actually serious.

Mooser
Mooser on October 22, 2019, 12:32 pm

Tulsi Gabbard is like a “two-fer” deal. Elect Tulsi, and get Chris Butler along with her!

gamal
gamal on October 22, 2019, 12:29 pm

“And look at what we have done ourselves in Raqqa and Mosul”

The Sacking of Fallujah by Caputi, Hil and Mulhearn

“The Sacking of Fallujah offers a people’s history of the three sieges and related military assaults, launched against the Iraqi city of Fallujah by the US military and its allies. This timely and compelling combination of eye-witness testimony, historical documentation, and expert analysis is the first complete account of the sieges of Fallujah, from the two US-led operations in 2004 to the recent Iraqi-led operation to wrest control of the city from the Islamic State in 2016.

Distinguishing itself from other books on Fallujah, written mainly by current and former American soldiers, this book draws on a wide range of sources and includes independent and Iraqi voices. It is also the first book to directly analyze the role of US military information warfare in the operations. Additionally, this book combines military history with social history, drawing attention to the human consequences of these operations as instances of sociocide, urbicide, and ecocide.

Thus, this book sets out to give a comprehensive analysis of these operations, placing military action in its political, social, and humanitarian context.”

https://www.thesackingoffallujah.com/

from a review linked at site
“Fallujah was the “city of mosques,” made up of some 300,000 to 435,000 people. It had a tradition of resisting foreign — including British — invasions. It suffered, as did all of Iraq, from the brutal sanctions imposed by the United States in the years leading up to the 2003 attack. During that attack, Fallujah saw crowded markets bombed. Upon the collapse of the Iraqi government in Baghdad, Fallujah established its own government, avoiding the looting and chaos seen elsewhere. In April, 2003, the U.S. 82nd Airborne Division moved into Fallujah and met no resistance.

Immediately the occupation began to produce the sort of problems seen by every occupation everywhere ever. People complained of Humvees speeding on the streets, of being humiliated at checkpoints, of women being treated inappropriately, of soldier urinating in the streets, and of soldiers standing on rooftops with binoculars in violation of residents’ privacy. Within days, the people of Fallujah wanted to be liberated from their “liberators.” So, the people tried nonviolent demonstrations. And the U.S. military fired on the protesters. But eventually, the occupiers agreed to be stationed outside the city, limit their patrols, and allow Fallujah a degree of self-governance beyond what the rest of Iraq was permitted. The result was a success: Fallujah was kept safer than the rest of Iraq by keeping the occupiers out of it.

That example, of course, needed to be crushed. The United States was claiming a moral obligation to liberate the hell out of Iraq to “maintain security” and “assist in transition to democracy.” Viceroy Paul Bremer decided to “clean out Fallujah.” In came the “coalition” troops, with their usual inability (mocked quite effectively in the Netflix Brad Pitt movie War Machine) to distinguish the people they were bestowing liberty and justice upon from the people they were killing. U.S. officials described the people they wanted to kill as “cancer,” and went about killing them with raids and firefights that killed a great many of the non-cancer people. How many people the United States was actually giving cancer to was unknown at the time.

In March, 2004, four Blackwater mercenaries were killed in Fallujah, their bodies burned and hung from a bridge. The U.S. media portrayed the four men as innocent civilians who somehow happened to find themselves in the middle of a war and the accidental targets of irrational, unmotivated violence. The people of Fallujah were “thugs” and “savages” and “barbarians.” Because U.S. culture has never regretted Dresden or Hiroshima, there were open cries for following those precedents in Fallujah. A former advisor to Ronald Reagan, Jack Wheeler reached for an ancient Roman model in demanding that Fallujah be completely reduced to lifeless rubble: “Fallujah delenda est!”

Mooser
Mooser on October 22, 2019, 12:10 pm

“These people are cousins and can return to acting like it.”

While Arabs have been most everywhere, from Zanzibar to Barkley Square, an Israeli only sees the sights a guy can see from Trump Settlement Heights, yet they are cousins!
We are identical cousins! And you’ll find: We look alike, we walk alike, at times we even talk alike! You could lose your mind!.

(Now, Israel doesn’t mind being a cousin to the Palestinians, they just want them once or twice ‘removed’)

Vera Gottlieb
Vera Gottlieb on October 22, 2019, 10:57 am

And once again…Nazi tactics taking place. For shame, israel…for shame.

Vera Gottlieb
Vera Gottlieb on October 22, 2019, 10:56 am

The US has always been good at giving corrupted leaders “passes”…What else is new?

Misterioso
Misterioso on October 22, 2019, 10:23 am

Also:

https://jewishcurrents.org/what-really-happened-at-bard-college/

Jewish Currents, Oct. 14/19

“What Really Happened at Bard College?” By Mairiv Zonszien

EXCERPT:
“ON SATURDAY EVENING, the Forward published a column by its opinion editor, Batya Ungar-Sargon, with the headline “I Was Protested At Bard College For Being A Jew.” The article refers to an incident two days earlier at the “Racism and Anti-Semitism” conference, organized by Bard College’s Hannah Arendt Center. In her op-ed, Ungar-Sargon claims that a student protest against a panel she moderated, which was called “Who Needs Anti-Semitism?”, was antisemitic. She also implicates the conference organizers as well as fellow speakers—among them the Black Jewish educator Shahanna McKinney-Baldon—in the protesters’ alleged antisemitism.

“The protests, organized by the campus group Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP), targeted the panel primarily because it featured Ruth Wisse, a retired professor of Yiddish literature at Harvard with a history of bigoted remarks toward Palestinians and Muslims—and also because Ungar-Sargon and Shany Mor, an Israeli fellow at the Arendt Center and former director of foreign policy on Israel’s right-wing National Security Council, were the moderators. Ungar-Sargon portrays the protesters as straightforwardly antisemitic, according to the following logic: ‘Didn’t they see that protesting Jews over Israel when they are not even talking about Israel is racist? Didn’t they understand that saying we were responsible for the behavior of the Israeli Jews just because we shared their ethnicity was racist? That making every conversation with Jews about Israel is racist?’

“Ungar-Sargon continues: ‘The center’s leadership, and the two Bard College deans attending the conference, seemed to have no particular plan to handle what was fixing to become an ugly disruption of Jews trying to discuss anti-Semitism.’ Overall, the op-ed gives the impression that Ungar-Sargon was targeted by antisemitic protesters for being Jewish, that she was barred from speaking, that fellow panelists egged this on, and that the organizer—who is also Jewish—sat there and did nothing about it. Ungar-Sargon’s account has been uncritically amplified by many influential Jewish voices, including the head of the Anti-Defamation League, Jonathan Greenblatt, and New York Times opinion editor and writer Bari Weiss, the author of a recent book on fighting antisemitism.

“But interviews with participants and witnesses reveal glaring omissions and misrepresentations in Ungar-Sargon’s account, casting doubt on her allegations of antisemitism. Roger Berkowitz, the director of the Arendt Center and the organizer of the conference, disputes the op-ed. ‘For her to say we didn’t have a plan is astoundingly false. And to suggest someone was not allowed to talk is just a fabrication,’ Berkowitz tells me in a phone interview. ‘The title of the piece is so duplicitous it’s hard to imagine,’ Berkowitz adds.”

Keith
Keith on October 22, 2019, 10:05 am

SIBIRIAK- (Hillary quote)- “I’m a big environmentalist, but these were funded by the Russians….”

When it comes to lying, Trump has nothing on Hillary. The Democrats are phony environmentalists who talk green while pursuing brown. And Russiagate/Ukrainegate is an insult to the intelligence. Notice how this was revealed in a Wikileaks document. Now poor Assange is paying a heavy price for revealing the truth.

eljay
eljay on October 22, 2019, 10:00 am

|| Rob Roy: … Why does Israel have carte blanche to do whatever terrible things it wants to any land in their area, and beyond, and get away with it? … ||

Because Zionists – ever the hypocrites – believe that people who choose to embrace the religion-based identity of Jewish are entitled to do unto others acts of injustice and immorality (a.k.a. “necessary evil”) they would not have others do unto them and, so, they anti-Semitically “single out” the “world’s only ‘Jewish State'” for special treatment.

Misterioso
Misterioso on October 22, 2019, 9:59 am

In short, Batya Ungar-Sargon refuses to read the writing on the wall. She and her ilk are inevitably going to lose the battle. Frankly, I don’t understand why they can’t see what’s coming at them ever faster, i.e., an avalanche of the ugly long suppressed truth regarding Zionism and its cancerous spawn, “Israel.”

eljay
eljay on October 22, 2019, 9:54 am

Ms. Bashi has a modest children’s book about Palestine.

Zionists have (seemingly) countless benjamins with which to intimidate, defame and destroy.

She is a sling-less David set upon by an swarm of supremacist Goliaths.

Misterioso
Misterioso on October 22, 2019, 9:41 am

“‘Poor Little Israel’ isn’t poor,…”

Just a couple of reminders:

Newsweek, May 10/18

“More Israelis are moving to the U.S.—and staying for good”

“Spurred by the high cost of living, low salaries, and political and demographic trends, Israelis are Newsweek leaving the country in droves.” By Yardena Schwartz.

EXCERPTS: “Israel celebrates its 70th birthday in May with the opening of the U.S. Embassy in Jerusalem. Yet the country is grappling with an existential crisis—one that doesn’t involve Iranian nukes or Palestinian protests. Spurred by the high cost of living, low salaries, and political and demographic trends, Israelis are leaving the country in droves, trying to build their lives elsewhere, mostly in the United States. Many of these young Israelis are moving to big cities, and yet, even in these often expensive places, they see more opportunities to advance.”

“…And in addition to the Israelis now living stateside, according to the country’s Ministry of Immigrant Absorption, hundreds of thousands have moved to Europe, Canada and elsewhere.

“The country’s brain drain isn’t new. For years, many of its most talented scholars and researchers moved to the U.S., where the salaries are far higher and there are more jobs at top-tier universities. One report by Dan Ben-David, an economist at Tel Aviv University, found that the emigration rate of Israeli researchers was the highest in the Western world. Recently, however, the exodus has expanded to include average young people, many of whom say there’s simply no future in Israel.

“Though this embattled country has become known as the ‘Startup Nation’ —it has more early-stage tech companies per capita than any other country—the average Israeli has little connection to that prosperous field. According to government data, 8 percent of Israelis work in high-tech, which pays up to seven times the national average salary of $2,765 a month (before taxes). Israel has one of the highest poverty rates and levels of income inequality in the Western world. Meanwhile, it also has one of the highest costs of living. Tel Aviv ranks ninth among the world’s most expensive cities, higher than New York and Los Angeles; five years ago, it ranked 34th. The situation is so dire that a 2013 survey by the financial newspaper Calcalist (the most recent Israeli study conducted on this topic) found that 87 percent of adults—many with children of their own—depend on substantial financial support from their parents.”
_____________________________________________________

“Congressional Research Service, U.S. Foreign aid to Israel, Jeremy M. Sharpe, Specialist in Middle East Affairs, April 10, 2018.”

“Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign assistance since World War II. To date, the United States has provided Israel $134.7 billion (current, or non inflation-adjusted, dollars) in bilateral assistance and missile defense funding. Almost all U.S. bilateral aid to Israel is in the form of military assistance, although in the past Israel also received significant economic assistance. At a signing ceremony at the State Department on September 14, 2016, representatives of the U.S. and Israeli governments signed a new 10-year Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) on military aid covering FY2019 to FY2028. Under the terms of the MOU, the United States pledges to provide $38 billion in military aid ($33 billion in Foreign Military Financing grants plus $5 billion in missile defense appropriations) to Israel. This MOU replaces a previous $30 billion 10-year agreement, which runs through FY2018.”

Also:
https://israelpalestinenews.org/media-ignore-largest-foreign-military-aid-package-in-us-history/?eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=59d03773-62f0-4b72-ad9e-ac7d1b3cf729
“Media Ignore Largest Foreign Military Aid Package in US History” If Americans Knew Blog, Nov. 29/18 By Alison Weir

Citizen
Citizen on October 22, 2019, 8:08 am

What Dick & Jane Don’t Know; ‘Poor Little Israel’ isn’t poor, financially or diplomatically–in fact it’s also not surrounded by enemies: https://shar.es/aXMtGE The candidates , hopefully, may yet allow themselves to speak of this when claiming they may use foreign aid as leverage to advance a more balanced approach to Israel.

RoHa
RoHa on October 22, 2019, 6:21 am

But there’s an awful fascination in showing that, behind the verbiage, Jons has nothing to offer beyond “Jews like to do it”.

If his medical claims are correct, WJ is in a much stronger position with his “it’s a Good Thing in places where everyone is filthy and covered in germs” argument.

Rob Roy
Rob Roy on October 22, 2019, 2:03 am

Odd, isn’t it? The topic is Syria here and Trump deserting the Kurds. Yes, Israel thought it could lure Trump into attacking Iran for Israel, the goal for a long time. God knows why. Iran has never attacked Israel or anyone for that matter, and no, Iran did not attack Saudi Arabia’s oil fields…that was probably Israel to create a little false flag to force someone else to attack Iran.
Why aren’t people talking about Israel attacking (bombing) Syria “thousands of times,” according to the Israelis themselves. If Iran or Syria of ANYONE attacked Israel, even once, it would be spread across the globe, headlined on every newspaper and shouted in the streets..
Why does Israel have carte blanche to do whatever terrible things it wants to any land in their area, and beyond, and get away with it?
Iran is like Russia, neither will attack anyone else, but if attacked will respond. I think that’s too simple for the convoluted minds of the US and Israel.
Soooo, if now Israel is “left on its own,” so what? No one is going to attack it. As Gideon Levy said, Israelis are three things: 1) superior, you know, god’s chosen children, 2) the eternal victims, the ONLY victims having survived the ONLY holocaust ever, and 3) absolutely know the Palestinians as worthless bugs under the feet of Jews and can be stomped to death every day without fear of repercussions until the genocide is complete.

RoHa
RoHa on October 22, 2019, 1:49 am

“Comparing an event in which a woman is cruelly killed to a joyous welcoming celebration of love and a new life is just that: obscene.”

Suttee was a solemn celebration of the wife’s love and commitment to her husband. But that did not change the essential nature of the act. It was, as you say, an event in which a woman is cruelly killed.

A circumcision party may be, as you say, “ a joyous welcoming celebration of love and a new life”, but that does not change the essential nature of the act. A bit of the child is cruelly sliced off.

In both cases, the essential nature of the act is cruel.
In both cases, the religious practitioners regard it as a good thing.

So the comparison holds. The difference between them is the degree of cruelty. Yes, I agree that suttee is a lot more cruel than circumcision, but, since neither cruelty is necessary, I think they should both be forbidden.

“The baby cries and calms down amazingly fast. The place heals within a few days. The procedure and ceremony is performed on 8 day old infants, who retain no memory of the event, hence no trauma.”

But the damage is permanent. The harm has been done.

“I note that you would support a ban. So you may agree to freedom of religion, just not the Jewish religion.”

I would place limits on the freedom of religious practice for the Jewish religion, but also for Islam and all other religions. My principles do not single out Judaism.

But your principles also place limits on the freedom of religious practice. You say “Religious practice cannot be used as a pretext to harm others. You can’t go around killing people and claim that your religion compels you to do so. “

Which means that you would limit the freedom of Hindus to carry out suttee, and the freedom of Aztec priests to offer human hearts to the Sun.

But you want to make an exception for the Jewish religion.

(Incidentally, have you ever been to a Christening? Christians, too, joyously welcome the new life, but many of them do not express their love by cutting off a bit of the child. They just drop a bit of water on it.)

brent
brent on October 22, 2019, 12:58 am

Congress has for so long proclaimed the 2SS because they intuitively know supporting an official apartheid state would not be politically viable in America. So they take a “safe” position even though they know a 2SS is not viable. For this reason, it is prudent for Palestinian citizens of Israel to campaign for equality under the law because doing so forces into the open those who oppose an overall 1SS because they want a racist state. The sooner the racism is exposed for ALL to see, the sooner an agreement can happen.

As acts of mutual respect unfold, tolerance for hatefulness will get washed aside, not tolerated by either side These people are cousins and can return to acting like it.

pjdude
pjdude on October 22, 2019, 12:53 am

why do you think its ok for russia to interfere in our elections?

pjdude
pjdude on October 22, 2019, 12:53 am

echinococcus

I’m sorry you think facts are conspiracy theories. hope your happy when you gettrump reelected.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/russia-s-propaganda-machine-discovers-2020-democratic-candidate-tulsi-gabbard-n964261

https://www.themarysue.com/tulsi-gabbard-russia-clinton-rant/

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election/tulsi-gabbard-russia-david-duke-policies-2020-campaign-white-nationalist-hawaii-propaganda-a8768056.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7578035/Im-not-Russian-asset-Tulsi-Gabbard-makes-bizarre-boast-2020-debate.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/12/us/politics/tulsi-gabbard.html?module=inline

again the only people engaged in conspiracy theories are you and yours about clinton.

Fyrebird

while i do agree clinton needs to own up telling appalachia and the rust belt they were screwed and she didn’t have a plan was moronic it still doesn’t make russia pushing jill stein good. the willfull ignoring of facts to hate on hillary is scary. honestly im seeing the commentors here begining to become unhinged.

Sibiriak
Sibiriak on October 22, 2019, 12:48 am

Keith: Three years after neoliberal warmonger Hillary lost to Donald Trump because of her abysmal record, she is still running against Putin and the Russians!
———————————————————

Btw, Hillary’s vile McCarthyistic tactics significantly predate her loss to Trump. Back in 2014 she was portraying anti-fracking environmental groups as part of a Russian plot.

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Hillary Clinton Expresses Support For Fracking In Wikileaks Document

[…] In one excerpt of a speech to Deutsche Bank in April 2013, according to the document, Clinton boasted about the federal government’s support for fracking and her own work to promote the process across the globe.

“Fracking was developed at the Department of Energy,” the document shows Clinton saying. “I mean, the whole idea of how fracking came to be available in the marketplace is because of research done by our government. And I’ve promoted fracking in other places around the world.”

In another excerpt of the same speech, Clinton outlines why she supports a continued push for fracking.

“The ability to extract both gas and oil from previously used places that didn’t seem to have much more to offer, but now the technology gives us the chance to go in and recover oil and gas,” the document shows her saying. “Or with the new technology known as fracking, we are truly on a path — and it’s not just United States; it’s all of North America — that will be net energy exporters assuming we do it right.”

She added: “We ought to be committed enough to ensure that we set the example for the world about how to do it with the minimal amount of environmental damage.”

In a purported excerpt of another speech in 2014, the document shows Clinton portraying some environmental groups’ opposition to fracking and pipeline construction as a Russian plot.

“We were up against Russia pushing oligarchs and others to buy media,” the document shows her saying.

“We were even up against phony environmental groups, and I’m a big environmentalist, but these were funded by the Russians to stand against any effort, oh that pipeline, that fracking, that whatever will be a problem for you, and a lot of the money supporting that message was coming from Russia.”

The excerpts contrast with Clinton’s statements during the Democratic primary, in which she depicted herself as an opponent of fracking.

* * * * *

[….]Oil and gas industry donors have given more than $1 million to Clinton’s political campaigns and millions more to the Clinton Foundation. As a senator, Clinton broke with other Democrats such as then-Sen. Barack Obama to cast some key votes to expand offshore drilling.

Later, the Clinton-led State Department promoted fracking, approved a tar sands pipeline, and cemented a pact to potentially expand drilling in the Gulf of Mexico. Her 2016 campaign has been financially supported by those with ties to fracking, and her transition team chairman, Ken Salazar, has been an outspoken proponent of fracking.

https://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/hillary-clinton-expresses-support-fracking-wikileaks-document-2428659

Keith
Keith on October 22, 2019, 12:36 am

FYREBIRD- ” The way I see it, despite all his weaknesses, Bernie Sanders is a far more human figure than Gabbard.”

Perhaps so, but as someone who claims that the Russians “interfered” in our elections and democracy and that Hugo Chavez was a “dictator,” Bernie is an imperialist to the core. Is this what you support? Bernie is a sheepdog, nothing more. Or, if you prefer, a Pied Piper, working to corral the disaffected into the Democratic tent of neoliberal warmongers. Tulsi Gabbard? A sheep puppy perhaps? A vote for either the Democratic or Republican candidate is a vote for neoliberal imperialism. A vote to legitimize the global empire and all that it does.

echinococcus
echinococcus on October 21, 2019, 11:36 pm

“Bernie Sanders is a far more human figure than Gabbard”
and an inveterate Zionist warmonger, a devious sheepdog openly employed to gather back to the imperial Democrat fold the people who suddenly wake up and decide to end the 2-party comedy, and an unshakable advocate of Empire. Only some propaganda drudge or a total ignorant who cannot even read newspapers would be able to promote that “human” figure.

Not saying Gabbard is effectively better, I don’t know. She hasn’t, however, been seen — yet — promoting imperial war and death for over 40 years like old mountebank Sanders has. That being said, she is a Democrat: there is no chance on earth that someone in that situation can produce anything against the express will of the Owners of the Country.

fyrebird
fyrebird on October 21, 2019, 11:20 pm

Yes Jill Stein – slandered by Hillary Clinton and her supporters. Blamed for HC’s loss to this day.

fyrebird
fyrebird on October 21, 2019, 11:02 pm

Hillary Clinton seems to be a believer in her own fantasies. Putting aside dark Russian conspiracies and the memory of Hillary Clinton’s violent threats and world crimes, Tulsi Gabbard may well be the new American false prophet. First we had liberal – including liberal ‘no fly zone over Libya but not Gaza’ Zionist opportunists – pine after Brand Obama. Then Hillary Clinton, who actively recruited women radicalised by Brand Trump. After Liberals, it’s the Left’s turn to believe in Tulsi Gabbard – a former and proud member of the imperial guard – radicalised in a weird mixture of right-wing nationalism, manifest destiny and Hindu supremacy with her Aloha chants and dangerous opportunism. Seems the ridiculousness will never end. The new left is the old liberal in terms of make-believe. The way I see it, despite all his weaknesses, Bernie Sanders is a far more human figure than Gabbard. Realistically speaking I see him unleashing less damage.

echinococcus
echinococcus on October 21, 2019, 10:37 pm

PJ Dude

1. “the conspiracy theories im seeing here in the comments are scary.”

None scarier than yours:

2. “im not saying she is directly working with the russians. but its a fact that there is russian bot activity assciotated with her campaign in trying to promote her”

JWalters
JWalters on October 21, 2019, 9:08 pm

Batya follows the standard Zionist algorithm –

(1) dodge any actual discussion or debate,
(2) character assassinate one’s opponents,
(3) apply indignation lavishly.

These tactics are precisely explained by an AIPAC operative in the great undercover documentary on AIPAC (first episode). “The Lobby – USA – ALL episodes 1+2+3+4”

Batya is merely a hired liar. She knows it. Her employers know it. Any moderately intelligent, moderately educated person can see it. The sociopathic force behind this pernicious destruction of civil society needs to be removed for the good of humanity.

JWalters
JWalters on October 21, 2019, 8:48 pm

Tuyzentfloot, true, BUT …

It would be trivial for Akismet to search their spam list to determine if it contained specific links. When asked about a particular comment being deleted due to containing specific links, they denied that, saying it was merely the number of links in the comment (6) that triggered the “spam” designation. A subsequent experiment proved the specific links were indeed on the spam list. Thus, it sure looks like Akismet was covering up that fact with a bogus explanation.

Further, the entire mainstream media in all the Western democracies is currently suppressing unflattering information about Israel. This widespread operation is obviously highly coordinated and expensive. So it would be logical that the people behind this vast effort would want to include reader comments at political websites.

bcg
bcg on October 21, 2019, 6:16 pm

Nice takedown of Batya in the Times of Israel: The author explains how she was skeptical of Ungar-Sargon’s account and then started receiving emails accusing her of anti-Semitism!

https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/anti-semitism-bard-and-me/

But in the past day or so, the chorus of voices adamantly contradicting her version has grown…

pjdude
pjdude on October 21, 2019, 5:23 pm

than you are responsible for trump and the attack on the republic of the US. funny how you hate american imperialism but are ok with russian. not everything bad in the world is the fault of the US. the conspiracy theories im seeing here in the comments are scary.

pjdude
pjdude on October 21, 2019, 5:19 pm

this is laughable. you all hate that israel interferes in us affairs but are perfectly ok with russian interference. now im not saying she is directly working with the russians. but its a fact that there is russian bot activity assciotated with her campaign in trying to promote her. the fact remains tulsi gabbard is ok with authortarianism so long as they are anti muslim. she has ties to the sangh parivar groups that are responsible for politcal violence and alledgedly terrorism. all the “enhanced interogation” things israel does, she supports. she has flat out defended torture.

eljay
eljay on October 21, 2019, 5:09 pm

|| jon s: eljay,
Not true. I oppose all supremacism. … ||

Not true. You advocate, support and defend Jewish / “Jewish State” supremacism.

|| … Equality is a basic democratic value. … ||

It is, but you don’t apply it to Israel which – according to all Zionists, including you – is and must remain a religion-supremacist “Jewish State”.

|| … As to the state being as” large as possible”: I’ve supported all the agreements which have entailed Israeli withdrawals -from Sinai, Gaza, Lebanon…And as you know I support a two state solution, so Israel would actually be as small as possible… ||

As large as possible means exactly that: As large as possible.

Tuyzentfloot
Tuyzentfloot on October 21, 2019, 5:06 pm

Here I find one of these sources saying everyone is extolling Gabbard, and a reply. https://twitter.com/DrRadchenko/status/1186169336983146501
Oh, and only flemish people would understand why the name Ratchenko is funny.

Tuyzentfloot
Tuyzentfloot on October 21, 2019, 4:50 pm

so how do you all deal with the fact that russian state media is overreporting on gabbard for a candidate with like 2% of the vote and has zero chance of the nomination?

This is interesting really, because this idea is a natural consequence of generally distrusting Gabbard. An intuitive link is made behind Russian scheming and local media paying attention to Gabbard.
But in fact if there would be russian scheming does it make sense to pay attention to her in the local media? You can just as well turn it around. Claim the opposite. Russia is remarkably quiet about Gabbard. Aha! That tells something!
In fact it is no use trying to combine Russian scheming and russian media.
I would postulate that there has been no study about how often Gabbard is being discussed in Russia. Someone searched for her, found her being mentioned and quickly came up with the claim that they are all talking about her. Nobody ever checked. Because that is how it works. Eventually they’ll be talking about her of course, self fullfilling prophecy.

Donald
Donald on October 21, 2019, 4:18 pm

I thought Batya had maybe gone too far, but this doubling down thing has worked for Trump and it works because he has a core base of support that “knows” he is fundamentally right no matter what the facts are, and Batya has the same kind of base.

Last week I thought Stern’s letter meant that Batya had lost. She might even have to resign or lay low. Now I think there is a fair to middling chance this will become a “cause” and the NYT will eventually cover it “objectively”, meaning that nobody reading their account will be able to tell who was right. That’s my prediction. Not willing to put money on it. Well, maybe someone else’s money.

And Batya’s career has probably taken a boost. She and Bari could go on tour together.

echinococcus
echinococcus on October 21, 2019, 3:54 pm

RoHa,

Trying to talk civilized to someone who doesn’t see any harm in mutilating a human being without informed consent?

No wonder such a creature can’t see anything wrong with war of invasion, war of aggression and genocide, either.

jon s
jon s on October 21, 2019, 3:29 pm

Breaking news:
Netanyahu has failed to form a government and this evening “returned the mandate” to the President , who is expected to hand over the task of forming a government to Benny Gantz.

(the joke going around is that the President should “return the mandate ” to the British…)

jon s
jon s on October 21, 2019, 3:20 pm

The reason I asked if you had ever been invited to a brit is to try to ascertain whether or not you actually know what you’re talking about, especially given your obscene comparisons to suttee or FGM. Comparing an event in which a woman is cruelly killed to a joyous welcoming celebration of love and a new life is just that: obscene.
Unlike you, I’ve attended many brittot : my son and grandson, cousins and nephews, friends and colleagues, too numerous to count. The procedure itself is performed in sterile conditions (one of the best known practitioners here in Beersheva is actually a surgeon who doubles as a mohel) and takes a few moments.The baby cries and calms down amazingly fast. The place heals within a few days. The procedure and ceremony is performed on 8 day old infants, who retain no memory of the event, hence no trauma.
I note that you would support a ban. So you may agree to freedom of religion, just not the Jewish religion.

eljay
eljay on October 21, 2019, 3:08 pm

… And every year, without fail, much of the harvest is characterized by attacks on Palestinian farmers and families by Israeli settlers and armed soldiers. …

Zionism and the “Jewish State” of Israel empower supremacist, colonialist goons – while the “most moral army” aids and abets them – to commit “necessary evil” in not-Israel.

Zionists are truly hateful and immoral people.

wondering jew
wondering jew on October 21, 2019, 2:56 pm

To compare male circumcision which saves thousands of lives every year in societies that suffer from improper hygiene to other types of procedures that have shown zero medical benefit, is an attempt to throw dust in our eyes. It may be unproven how many lives in hygienically advanced societies are saved by circumcision, but particularly in regards to cervical cancer, there is no question that thousands of lives (to be conservative) are saved every year by the practice of circumcision and over the generations, millions, if not tens of millions of lives have been saved. You don’t care about the good of nonhygienic female or homosexual lives, that’s your business, but in fact this procedure saves lives.
Now, given most of us live in hygienic societies, and most of the lives saved are female lives in unhygienic societies, so you really don’t give a damn about the benefits, but save us your nonsense comparing a useful procedure to procedures without any proven benefit.
How to deal with a tradition that was useful in nonhygienic stages of human history but is not necessarily beneficial in our western current stage, that is a valid question, but the line of argument is false and unscientific and disregards history.

jon s
jon s on October 21, 2019, 2:41 pm

eljay,
Not true. I oppose all supremacism. Equality is a basic democratic value.
As to the state being as” large as possible”: I’ve supported all the agreements which have entailed Israeli withdrawals -from Sinai, Gaza, Lebanon…And as you know I support a two state solution, so Israel would actually be as small as possible…

Keith
Keith on October 21, 2019, 2:24 pm

PJDUDE- “so how do you all deal with the fact that russian state media is overreporting on gabbard for a candidate with like 2% of the vote and has zero chance of the nomination?”

RT America or the Russian speaking media inside Russia? If RT America, they provide a platform for alternative media for those who otherwise would be restricted to MSN lies and propaganda. Chris Hedges, for example. In any event, RT America’s influence is slight, Russian domestic media nil. And attacking Third Party candidates and alternative websites highlights Hillary Clinton’s totalitarian mindset.

Mooser
Mooser on October 21, 2019, 1:09 pm

“d. Coercion should be opposed: parents should not be forced to have their sons circumcised and should also not be prevented from having it done.”” “Jon s”, the human-rights-mayven

ROTFLMSJAO! If that’s your concept of “coercion” (which doesn’t seem to involve the person being circumcised) I would really hate to hear your concept of “consent”.

“Jewish ritual circumcision is a religious commandment and an important tradition.” “Jon s”

Oh, I see, a “ritual circumcision”, not a medical circumcision.
.

Mooser
Mooser on October 21, 2019, 12:58 pm

“has everyone seen this idiocy?”

Maybe MSNBC could apply some of its vast investigatory resources and get to the bottom of this. I would think Ms. Gabbard’s financing would be as transparent as any Democrat’s.

eljay
eljay on October 21, 2019, 12:54 pm

|| pjdude: so how do you all deal with the fact that russian state media is overreporting on gabbard for a candidate with like 2% of the vote and has zero chance of the nomination? ||

Maybe they appreciate an American politician who doesn’t blindly call for war with Russia? Dunno. I suspect they also appreciate(d) Ron Paul.  :-)

Mooser
Mooser on October 21, 2019, 12:48 pm

“Sorry, Mooser, I accidentally left out an o. No insult intended”

None taken. “RoHa”! In fact that was probably the original spelling. Until it was changed to honor and celebrate North America’s largest member of the deer family. Our family motto: “Nos omnes greges” ( “All have herd of us!”)

Mooser
Mooser on October 21, 2019, 12:29 pm

Tulsi heard me! She is offering me a platform of “aloha and love”.

pjdude
pjdude on October 21, 2019, 11:56 am

so how do you all deal with the fact that russian state media is overreporting on gabbard for a candidate with like 2% of the vote and has zero chance of the nomination?

Misterioso
Misterioso on October 21, 2019, 11:17 am

A brief look at Netanyahu and “Israel’s” good buddy, Jair Bolsonaro, president of Brazil:

https://theintercept.com/2018/10/28/jair-bolsonaro-elected-president-brazil/

“I am in favor of a dictatorship, a regime of exception.” – Open session of the Câmara dos Deputados, 1993.

“The pau-de-arara [a torture technique] works. I’m in favor of torture, you know that. And the people are in favor as well.”– Câmara Aberta TV program, May 23, 1999

“Through the vote, you will not change anything in this country, nothing, absolutely nothing! It will only change, unfortunately, when, one day, we start a civil war here and do the work that the military regime did not do. Killing some 30,000, starting with FHC [then-President Fernando Henrique Cardoso], not kicking them out, killing! If some innocent people are going to die, fine, in any war, innocents die.” – Câmara Aberta TV program, May 23, 1999

“I’ll give carte blanche for the police to kill.” – Event in Deerfield Beach, FL, October 8, 2017

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2018/Nov-01/468152-brazil-will-move-its-embassy-in-israel-to-jerusalem-bolsonaro.ashx

“Brazil will move its embassy in Israel to Jerusalem: Bolsonaro” The Daily Star (Lebanon), Nov. 1/18

“RIO DE JANEIRO: Brazil will move its embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, far-right President-elect Jair Bolsonaro said Thursday, making the Latin American giant the largest country after the United States to make the controversial switch.

“‘As previously stated during our campaign, we intend to transfer the Brazilian Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. Israel is a sovereign state and we shall duly respect that,” Bolsonaro tweeted, a move that will defy Palestine and most of the world.’

“In interviews, Bolsonaro said Israel should have the right to decide where its capital is located, just as Brazil moved its capital from Rio de Janeiro to Brasilia in 1960.”

According to Bolsonaro’s “logic,” if he had decided to do so, Hitler would have had the right to move Germany’s capital to occupied Paris. As Paris was under the boot of the Nazis during WWII, Jerusalem is currently illegally (and brutally) occupied by “Israel.” Brasilia, however, was and is still within Brazil’s legal borders.

Misterioso
Misterioso on October 21, 2019, 11:00 am

Despite the efforts of the so-called “Democratic Majority for Israel” to suppress it, Americans will continue to learn the ugly, thoroughly documented past and present TRUTH about Zionism and its spawn, “Israel.”

Misterioso
Misterioso on October 21, 2019, 10:27 am

Regarding the olive harvest, etc.

An Open Letter to the Consul General of the United Kingdom
from Palestinian, Samia Khoury, matriarch of Jerusalem’s renowned Khoury family.

“The following Headline appeared in Al-Quds, our local Arabic newspaper, on Friday, October 18. 2019: ‘Britain joins the Palestinians in the olive picking season.’

“It is quoting the Consul General of the United Kingdom in Jerusalem Mr. Philip Hall, that for the sixth consecutive year the UK has been supporting the Palestinians during the olive picking season. It is an opportunity for the staff of the consulate and other international volunteers to take part in this activity which is very vital for the Palestinian economy, over and above its cultural and social significance. He further emphasized the violence of the settlers in this season, and that fifteen diplomats from the Consulate and other international representatives were able to help the farmers in the Makhrour Valley where a Palestinian restaurant was recently demolished so that the settlers could start another building there.

“He further referred to the increasing violence of the settlers and that this activity is considered part of the humanitarian, and political support to the Palestinian towns, especially the marginalized ones in Area C.

“I could not help but respond to the item by writing back to the paper an open letter to the Consul General which I will translate in the following lines:

“‘I am sure the farmers and the owners of those olive trees are very grateful to the Consul General of the UK for this support, especially that the olive picking season has become a nightmare for the Palestinians due to the raids of the Jewish settlers with the support of the Israeli army.

“‘As we express our gratitude to the representative of the government of the United Kingdom for this initiative, I would like to draw his attention and the attention of the government of the United Kingdom, that the Palestinians expect much more from the United Kingdom than its support of the olive picking season.

“To start with, an apology for the infamous Balfour Declaration which facilitated the road for the Palestinian Nakba. Furthermore for the withdrawal of the British Mandate on May 15, 1948 without taking responsibility for the consequences of this withdrawal, over and above the consequences of the partition of Palestine.

“After seventy one years of the Palestinian dispossession and fifty two years of a brutal Israeli military occupation of the remaining Palestinian territories, don’t you think it is high time for the government of the United Kingdom to take a Moral Stand and recognize a Free Palestinian State that has a right to self- determination?”

Keith
Keith on October 21, 2019, 10:22 am

ROHA- “Is there no limit to their fiendish cunning?”

Yes, and all at a fraction of the cost Goldman Sachs paid Hillary for worthless speeches, not to mention the $millions that Ukrainian oligarchs paid to the Clinton Foundation. Cunning and frugal.

RoHa
RoHa on October 21, 2019, 10:14 am

“Do you see any mention of Arabs or Palestinians in the quote from Herzl?”

Herzl’s statement was a general principle, to be applied to whichever penniless population was in the way. It happened to be the Palestinians who had the principle applied to them.

Zangwill demonstrated Zionist thinking while he was a Zionist. His change of mind does not make the Zionist thinking any less reprehensible.

“In general Zionist leaders expressed a desire to live in peace, not displace the Arab population.”

And yet the Zionists set up a separate society in Palestine rather than becoming part of Palestinian society. They bought land and then drove off the tenant farmers. They intended to take over the country. So their idea of “living in peace” seems to have been that of Arabs quietly accepting life as second class citizens in a Jewish State.

And they did displace the Arab population.

RoHa
RoHa on October 21, 2019, 9:54 am

OK.
a. I’m not convinced that freedom of religion is a basic right, but I’ll agree. I can see good reasons for it.

b. “Religious practice cannot be used as a pretext to harm others. “
I agree. You can’t go around snipping bits off people and claim that your religion requires it.

c. “Practically any human activity entails a certain risk … We know about these dangers yet we generally consider the risk to be acceptable. Otherwise we would not be able to go about our everyday lives.”
Agree. All the cases you mention are ones in which we decide accept a risk to ourselves.
Now we do accept that some of our behaviour entails a risk to others. When I go for a drive, I might accidentally harm others, and we accept that putting others at risk is also necessary as part of our daily lives. But we try not to deliberately put people at risk.

But this does not have relevance to circumcision.

When you decide to circumcise a child, you are not risking harm to others. You are deliberately causing harm.
And you are not the one facing the risk. It is the child who faces the risk. You are deliberately putting the child at risk of the complications. And it is not necessary for our daily lives.

d. “Coercion should be opposed:”
I agree. Children should not be forced to have bits snipped off them.

“Jewish ritual circumcision is a religious commandment and an important tradition.”
None of this makes it morally acceptable. If you think it does, you must present an argument.

“Assuming that it’s performed by a competent practitioner on a healthy baby, the risk of a mishap is tiny.”
But there is no morally acceptable reason to even take the risk.

“The procedure itself is not harmful or traumatic “
Snipping a bit off a baby is certainly harmful. It is ridiculous to deny that.

“Have you ever been invited to a traditional Jewish circumcision ceremony (“bris”)? I would just like know whether you have any personal experience or observations.”
No. I haven’t been invited to a suttee or FGM ceremony either. What difference do you think it would make if I had?

“Would you favor legislating a legal ban? Outlawing the practice?”
Yes.

Tuyzentfloot
Tuyzentfloot on October 21, 2019, 9:34 am

I suppose it is time to change the colors of the shiny beacon then.

eljay
eljay on October 21, 2019, 8:23 am

|| jon s: … Zionist leaders expressed a desire to live in peace, not displace the Arab population. ||

Every Zionist – from “Zionist leaders” right down to you – expresses a desire for insists on Jewish supremacism in/and as large as possible a religion-supremacist “Jewish State”.

Tuyzentfloot
Tuyzentfloot on October 21, 2019, 5:40 am

Akismet and other spam filters do not necessarily have an agenda. They rely on multiple sources and algorithms for listing something as spam. They accept requests. They rely on other sources. They use reputation mechanisms which combine multiple factors.
All these mechanisms can be manipulated by others .

jon s
jon s on October 21, 2019, 4:41 am

misterioso,
Do you see any mention of Arabs or Palestinians in the quote from Herzl?
In the quote where Ben Gurion fantasizes about the borders of the Jewish state does he say anything about displacing the existing populatiion?
As to Zangwill, he started out as an assimilationist, became a Zionist, and left the Zionist movement in 1905 in the aftermath of the Uganda debate and became a “territorialist”. He admitted having been wrong about the Arab population.
In general Zionist leaders expressed a desire to live in peace, not displace the Arab population.

jon s
jon s on October 21, 2019, 3:44 am

RoHa,
Sorry for not responding sooner, been busy with family matters and the holiday.

I would like to make a few assumptions and see whether we agree:
a. Freedom of religion is a basic right. Everyone should have the right to practice his or her religion.
b. Religious practice cannot be used as a pretext to harm others. You can’t go around killing people and claim that your religion compels you to do so.
c. Practically any human activity entails a certain risk: you can go out for a drive and be in an accident, you airplane could crash, you could go to a baseball game and get hit in the head by a foul ball…We know about these dangers yet we generally consider the risk to be acceptable. Otherwise we would not be able to go about our everyday lives.
d. Coercion should be opposed: parents should not be forced to have their sons circumcised and should also not be prevented from having it done. (see point (a).

Jewish ritual circumcision is a religious commandment and an important tradition.
Assuming that it’s performed by a competent practitioner on a healthy baby, the risk of a mishap is tiny. The procedure itself is not harmful or traumatic and may even be beneficial (though that’s not the core of my argument, just a possible bonus).

Now some questions for you:

Have you ever been invited to a traditional Jewish circumcision ceremony (“bris”)? I would just like know whether you have any personal experience or observations.

Would you favor legislating a legal ban? Outlawing the practice?

echinococcus
echinococcus on October 20, 2019, 11:29 pm

“… there are still people who won’t admit they were wrong about Clinton.”

Sure. All those who were crazy enough to consider her a decent human being were and are still wrong. As La Clinton herself keeps reminding us — see the last outburst re “Russians”.

Keith
Keith on October 20, 2019, 9:06 pm

ANOTHER DAVE- “I find it strange that 3 years after 2016, there are still people who won’t admit they were wrong about Clinton.”

Hillary Clinton was and is a neoliberal warmonger. Why am I wrong about that? I voted for Jill Stein. The Democrats used to be considered the lesser evil. Not any more. In the competition for corporate funding, the Democrats have moved way to the right of the Republicans in regards to militarism and empire. The Clintons banished all trace of Roosevelt’s New Deal from the party to make it more competitive with the Republicans. I refuse to vote for either of these imperial parties. In capitalism, the fat-cats rule. You delude yourself if you think otherwise.

RoHa
RoHa on October 20, 2019, 9:04 pm

Sorry, Mooser, I accidentally left out an o. No insult intended.

RoHa
RoHa on October 20, 2019, 8:59 pm

I can’t admit that I was wrong about Hillary, because I don’t know that I was wrong. I thought that, as president, she would be a disaster and probably start a war with Russia. She failed to become president, so there is no way of telling whether I was wrong or right.

I thought that Trump would be a disaster and probably not start a war with Russia. I’ve been right about that.

So far.

Of course, since I’m an Australian, I think all US presidents are disasters as a matter of course.

(Quite unlike our own brilliant and sagacious Prime Minister, whoever that happens to be.)

RoHa
RoHa on October 20, 2019, 8:42 pm

I have to say that I’m very impressed with the Russians.

They have been able to suborn Americans and sneakily manipulate the American political process so as to get one Kremlin agent into the presidency, and set up another agent to split the opposition so as to ensure a second term for the first one.

Is there no limit to their fiendish cunning?

Since their evil plotting is so successful, it might be easier for the Americans to simply hand the keys to the White House direct to Mr Putin. Why waste any more time on a battle of wits for which the Americans are clearly ill-equipped?

eljay
eljay on October 20, 2019, 8:27 pm

|| Another Dave: … eljay; there were two choices in 2016, are you seriously suggesting that Trump was the better person for the job?

Nope. I didn’t suggest it, say it or imply it.

|| … I think the both of you aren’t very happy with how things have gone, but will never admit you were wrong. ||

Wrong about what? That neither Trump nor Clinton is fit to be president? There no wrong to admit.

RoHa
RoHa on October 20, 2019, 8:25 pm

Moser, we know she’s got her man, so the big question is whether she’s got music.

JWalters
JWalters on October 20, 2019, 8:25 pm

A note on spam censorship

Most websites that have reader comments have a subcontractor handle the software that manages the reader comments. Major such subcontractors are Akismet and Disqus. These subcontractors handle the spam list for the website, as well as the software that compares a post with entries on the spam list. On the spam list are text strings that, if found in a comment, cause an automatic rejection of that comment. Originally these were used to catch obscenities and extravagantly rude insults.

However, they can also be used to reject comments that link to offensive or “dangerous” web pages. The possibility then arises for such a subcontractor to secretly put links on the spam list without authorization by the contracting website. Many instances have been observed wherein links to high quality research and reporting have been “spam banned” at Disqus and Akismet, at multiple sites each.

In the above case of the link to “Turkey Kurd Conflict in Syria Explained”, I suspect that banning this innocuous, purely historical video is part of a larger effort to ban the research of Jake Morphonios. Morphonios is a careful, thorough researcher with experience in financial investigations. He has been driven off YouTube and onto Bitchute, I believe, because of his sometimes devastating research into Israel.

JWalters
JWalters on October 20, 2019, 7:55 pm

Here is a simple, clean way to modify a link, if necessary, to get a comment past “spam” censorship, and on to the human moderator.

1. Remove the “https” and “www” parts. These alert the spam software to a link for checking. The browser does not need these parts to use the rest of the link, as it will add them automatically.

2. Disguise the “.com” (or “.net”) part, which is another indicator of a link. Place an extraneous character between the period and the word (“. # com”).

3. In case the website name alone is on the spam list (censoring all pages at that site), disguise the website name with an extraneous character, e.g. “mondo # weis”.

4. Alert the reader to these extraneous characters that need removing, and flank the extra characters with spaces so they are easy to find.

To make it really difficult for the censors to modify their software to catch these alternations, use different extraneous characters at different times. Use * one time, and #, $, etc another. You could even use two (or more) character combinations. Just be sure to clearly identify the insertions to your human reader.

JWalters
JWalters on October 20, 2019, 7:30 pm

Thanks for those links to moonofalabama.

Consistent with that analysis, here’s a non-partisan explanation of the historical conflict between the Kurds and their various neighbors, including the different factions of Kurds. Very good background for understanding what’s going on there.
“Turkey Kurd Conflict in Syria Explained”
bit # chute. # com/video/SQ0WJ0EWR_A/

This comment was instantly rejected in its original form. Modifying the link allowed it to go through the spam filter to human moderation. To follow the link, remove the two hash signs.

Keith
Keith on October 20, 2019, 5:51 pm

MOOSER- ” Where else could she go for a fair hearing and to make her views known to her base?”

Not CNN or MSNBC, that’s for sure! What? Three years after neoliberal warmonger Hillary lost to Donald Trump because of her abysmal record, she is still running against Putin and the Russians! And she can count on your support even as she now begins channeling Roy Cohn! Incredible! The Democrat’s main problem is that since they have completely abandoned their traditional base, they cannot even think about running on the issues, hence, they have to create villains to run against. Below is a link to Aaron Mate interviewing Max Blumenthal in regards to this matter. It is a 22 minute video well worth watching. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRp7iEVZD6c

brent
brent on October 20, 2019, 5:39 pm

Trump seems to have reversed the dismantling of Syria. He says he wants to make a deal with Iran. It is a new game underway. Trump long ago said he wanted to first put together an Israeli Palestinian deal (be that one state or two) and in his second term bring peace to the Middle East. Perhaps he still has those intentions. The saboteurs are many.

Another Dave
Another Dave on October 20, 2019, 4:29 pm

I find it strange that 3 years after 2016, there are still people who won’t admit they were wrong about Clinton.

Pity that I can’t figure out how to reply to the two above, but the reply button was missing. So…

eljay; there were two choices in 2016, are you seriously suggesting that Trump was the better person for the job? You’re happy with how things have worked out for the USA, and the west?

annie; You were wrong about Clinton in 2016, and you’re still wrong about her mentioning anyone in her “j’accuse” tweet. She didn’t. I’ll ask you the same thing I asked eljay, are you happy with how things have worked out since you refused to vote for a decent human being for the highest office in your nation?

I think the both of you aren’t very happy with how things have gone, but will never admit you were wrong.

Tuyzentfloot
Tuyzentfloot on October 20, 2019, 4:15 pm

Gabbard has been impressive. She’s been kept out of the limelight pretty successfully though. I’m surprised Clinton draws attention to Gabbard. Moving on from the ‘dismissive’ strategy then ?

I have a strong conviction that propagandists aim to nurture and nudge the bubble of groupthink to pull it in the desired direction, but that however cynical they are they almost always have one leg in the bubble. Clinton was cynically involved in launching the Russiagate story. I consider it all opportunistic rubbish but I don’t expect her to be entirely outside of that bubble.

JustJessetr
JustJessetr on October 20, 2019, 3:41 pm

I stopped paying attention to polls and surveys after they predicted that Trump wouldn’t be elected.

Mooser
Mooser on October 20, 2019, 1:52 pm

And as Ms. Gabbard keeps telling me in her ads, she has “a soldier’s principles”. That’s the ad which keeps turning up.
She may have ‘principles’, but she sure ain’t got no algorithm.

eljay
eljay on October 20, 2019, 12:54 pm

|| Another Dave: … Hillary didn’t mention Gabbard in her tweet. She said the Russians were hoping to groom a Democrat to run as a third party candidate. … ||

Sounds like the Russians haven’t yet finished grooming Hillary so that she can add her name to the list of Democratic candidates.

|| … But she was right about Donald Trump being utterly unfit for the job of president. ||

I wonder when she’ll conclude that she’s unfit for the job.

Mooser
Mooser on October 20, 2019, 12:45 pm

“Gabbard was on Tucker Carlson’s show to respond to Hillary Clinton’s preposterous assertion…”

Oh gosh, I don’t blame her for it. Where else could she go for a fair hearing and to make her views known to her base?

Mooser
Mooser on October 20, 2019, 12:41 pm

I see that “Jackdaw” is still pushing his ‘painless irredentistry’ scam.

annie
annie on October 20, 2019, 12:02 pm

has everyone seen this idiocy? this msnbc panel is sitting around discussing how gabbard didn’t actually deny she was a russian agent. this is how glaringly propagandizing our media has become

https://twitter.com/MarkAmesExiled/status/1185701901637165056

annie
annie on October 20, 2019, 11:55 am

she was right about Donald Trump being utterly unfit for the job of president.

she, along with millions of other people. are you suggesting clinton has some predilection for accurate prediction in comparing trump being a shitty president w/the ridiculous highfalutin allegation gabbard is groomed by russia?

She said the Russians were hoping to groom a Democrat… It was at that point that Gabbard spoke up to deny..Like a cheating spouse with a guilty conscience.

really?

“They have a bunch of sites and bots and other ways of supporting her so far,” Clinton said.

is that your idea of “hoping to groom a democrat”? before gabbard affirmed she wasn’t running 3rd party she blasted clinton showing no hesitation, guilt or fear whatsoever. she nailed her for what she is, just like she nailed harris. not at all like a cheating spouse with a guilty conscience! in fact quite the opposite.

Clinton’s team also noted that some of Gabbard’s foreign policy views align closely with Russian interests.

everyone knows exactly who clinton was talking about, don’t try to weasel out of it because clinton didn’t name her by name. only propagandists pull like that.

eljay
eljay on October 20, 2019, 8:49 am

|| Jackdaw: @eljay

Your irredentist, Marxist diatribes lay [sic] at the bottom of the rubbish heap of history. … ||

Irredentism – Wikipedia: … any political or popular movement that seeks to claim … and occupy a land that the movement’s members consider to be a “lost” (or “unredeemed”) territory from their nation’s past.

You’ve switched from charm to comedy, so this seems appropriate:

Do eljay’s irredentist, Marxist diatribes lie at the bottom of the rubbish heap of history? No, there isn’t room, Zionism has put on weight.

(with apologies to Monty Python)

Another Dave
Another Dave on October 20, 2019, 8:35 am

The thing is…

Hillary didn’t mention Gabbard in her tweet. She said the Russians were hoping to groom a Democrat to run as a third party candidate. It was at that point that Gabbard spoke up to deny that she would do such a thing. Like a cheating spouse with a guilty conscience. Then the other Russian assets spoke up; Jill Stein and Donald Trump…

I know there are some on this site who hate her as much as the Republicans do… But she was right about Donald Trump being utterly unfit for the job of president.

DaBakr
DaBakr on October 20, 2019, 1:48 am

@jc

I would assume the answer is yes he does. Don’t you? A few days ago Mauritania, the nation holding the most slaves in the region if not the world was just elected to head the Human Rights Council. If that isn’t worthy of contempt or at least a laugh I don’t know what is.

Jackdaw
Jackdaw on October 20, 2019, 1:41 am

@eljay

Your irredentist, Marxist diatribes lay at the bottom of the rubbish heap of history.

No one is paying attention to fossilized Marxists anymore.

ahadhaadam
ahadhaadam on October 19, 2019, 10:37 pm

>”An Israeli preemptive attack on Iran is now likelier than at any point in the past..”

No, an Israeli false flag attack on US assets in the Middle East is more likely than ever.

pabelmont
pabelmont on October 19, 2019, 8:21 pm

Nice guy, says he doesn’t want to expel anyone, not Jews, not Palestinians.

What he says. Window dressing. USA ambassador after all.

But in the event I bet he would only give lip service to his expressed desire not to see Palestinians expelled. As happens, a few a day, even now, and probably without his comment, altho someone might ask him.