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  • punterweger punterweger, November 16, 2018, 9:38 PM

    @Antidote - while I wholly agree that there is a lot of biased criticism of Russia (and Putin), criticizing Russia (or the Soviet Union, which is actually referred to in the quote) is not the point. What the quote says is that it is absurd to interpret criticism of a state as hatred of its people. Of course, this conclusion still accepts the false notion that Israel represents all Jews.


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  • wondering jew wondering jew, November 16, 2018, 8:26 PM

    Unfortunately Hitler gave antisemitism a bad name. and the word jew hatred is only worse. i think that viewing the jews as a distinct national or economic class that is antagonistic to other national or economic groups (particularly if one puts it in historical perspective without painting with too wide a brush) is a viable argument.

    i think this web site is devoted to the palestinian cause, but it contains vestiges of phil's "curiosity" regarding jewish identity. the mondoweiss about page changed four or five years ago and edited out a few of the lines regarding jewish perspective and changed the perspective to pro palestinian.

    i think jewish identity having a national component is something that is denied because it is inconvenient. i think that many people opt out of jewish identity both religious and national and that is fine, regarding such things it's silly to argue. everybody has their own perspective, but to deny that a large chunk of those who call themselves jews see a national angle to the identity is undeniable, even for those who divorce themselves from that aspect or from all aspects of jewishness.

    I think chaim gans's perspective regarding Palestinians and Jewish nationalists is the best one that I've heard and unfortunately this is not the primary stream of zionism that has dominated the politics or the mindset from day one and certainly not today. i think proprietary zionism is a negative mindset and gans's egalitarian zionism should be a lighthouse sending out a beacon to those yehudim who see the national aspect of their yehudi identity.

    I think that phil is trying to influence the conversation and i think those of you who have animus against jews make the comments section look a little swinish from time to time and i don't think that helps phil feel like part of the meaningful conversation.


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  • annie annie, November 16, 2018, 8:01 PM

    thanks danaa, for your efforts and because of your comment i just saw keith's above you. i hear you, lots of people don't like the comment policy and it's not something in my purview. this conversation is now on 2 threads. i'd advise writing adam/phil about it regarding policy change. if i had an i/p blog, i'd be tempted to make them zionist free zones, but then you'd have the purists way above my intel level explaining how anti zionism is zionist, or something. and that conversation would go on endlessly.

    MW may be relinquishing the only battleground where at least some modest victories can be had. Phil’s pieces – like this one – seem to be among the few taking on the Jewish discourse in America in all its distortions of the narrative about palestine and Israel.

    phil writes about this stuff all the time. there's a whole world wide web out there to pick up this conversation, so the idea MW is relinquishing "the only battleground" just doesn't make sense to me. just link back to his articles and discuss them if you can't here. my observations lead me to believe lots of jews almost always want to talk about jewish culture and history, often times obsessively. and as a non jew i have a limited capacity/intrigue. yes, it's interesting -- up to a point.

    keith, when i wrote "fair enough", i meant it. and i assume for reasons danaa articulated. when i wrote "your archives make it fairly clear you’re not very interested in discussing palestinian views" was not a "cheap shot". it was merely my interpretation of reality based on your archives. i don't think you're unconcerned about the Palestinians, i just don't think your concern involves dialoguing about it. if i'm wrong so be it. but there was no intent towards negative implication.
    personally, i've always liked your commentary and thought it added to the discussion. my suggestion would be to write adam. give him some examples and ask why. i wouldn't be the one to ask because, for the most part, i don't object to your comments even tho i might not agree with everything you say.

    the overarching feeling by most who read MW is that the Palestinians can only be helped from without – by changing the hearts of American jews and shocking them with well administered doses of reality. Basically – ask anyone who cares about what’s happening to the palestinians and they will tell you that it is largely up to the Jews of the world to get enough conscience to do what needs to be done

    danaa, your sentiments regarding over arching feelings by most who read mondoweiss i can't argue against because i do not know. but the rest of it i fundamentally disagree with on so many levels. i think the very reason we're in this mess is because the rest of us are not standing up enough. ideas like yours (and i think phil agrees w/you as do perhaps most american jews), lead directly to the very idea we can't change course as a nation over this issue, unless we're following a jewish lead. it's not primarily up to the jewish world to get a conscience, it's up to the american polity to get a conscience. because nothing will change until we change as a nation. that won't be up to a minuscule minority, and believing it will amounts to a capitulation to the whims of that community. the very act of changing the definition of anti semitism is part of a dare i say conspiracy to silence critics. now you tell me, why silence non jewish critics if the only critics who matter are the jewish ones? you have to change the masses. if you think the dem party is turning in large percentages, that is not solely due to the left in the jewish community. and once the evangelicals flip (and they will as this younger generation of them is moving in that direction) then israel's going to have a real problem on it's hands. and evangelicals won't be flipping because jews told them too, they will follow their own leaders, heavily influence by people like Naim Ateek aka sabeel. these kinds of movements grow from the bottom up. but i've been to some of these conferences, one in my community with literally hundreds of nuns, church groups, bds groups. yes the young jews are awesome, yes their demonstrations are awesome, yes the press hears them and the jewish community really hears them and frets about them, but there are other factors influencing the masses. it's those consciences, those seeds that are passed on from parent to child, pastor to congregants, from campus friends to other friends and the list goes on. that's my opinion anyway. and the implication (and maybe it was not what you meant) that hearing palestinians on their own terms somehow leads to "reduced to an endless litany of lamentations" is not my experience. i actually think we are engaged in a palestinian led movement.


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  • annie annie, November 16, 2018, 7:17 PM

    Batya Ungar-Sargon is a very interesting, charismatic and compelling speaker. this is the first time i've ever watched a video of her, watched her speak. just wow. she's very captivating. i was a little stunned when weiss cut in on her opening dialogue. that's not very common in a panel format where people are introduced and make an opening statement. not only that but then weiss appeared to take on the job of moderator and lob questions.

    there's just no comparison of the two women, Batya's really expressive in her body language and words and reasoning (in a mind exercising kind of way) whereas weiss tends to have an insistent domineering quality about her. at one point when Ungar-Sargon was speaking, later in the program after quite awhile when she had been relatively silent, Ungar-Sargon literally had her hand up in the direction of weiss motioning her repeatedly to stop trying to interrupt her. and these repetitious bleeps would come out of weiss. it was as if every time Ungar-Sargon captured (i don't use that word lightly because her voice and body language are very captivating) the attention of the audience, it seemed these choice moments were too much for weiss, as if all that attention should be focused on her instead.

    and yet weiss seems to be much in the limelight more than Ungar-Sargon, oddly. hands down one is a far better and more engaging creative speaker and thinker. and i didn't start out sympathetic with everything Ungar-Sargon was saying either.

    the rest of it i'll get to later. i just thought i'd mention that. Batya Ungar-Sargon has star potential, she's a uniter.


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  • US Citizen US Citizen, November 16, 2018, 6:54 PM

    UGH. A flaming hypocrite and snake. Weiss has a long record of seeking to muzzle critics of Israel, going back to her campaigns against professors — several of them Arab — as an undergraduate at Columbia University in the early 2000’s. She also had a role in hounding out a Columbia dean for hosting former Iranian president Ahmadinejad.

    As Glenn Greenwald pointed out in his excellent Intercept article
    https://theintercept.com/2018/03/08/the-nyts-bari-weiss-falsely-denies-her-years-of-attacks-on-the-academic-freedom-of-arab-scholars-who-criticize-israel/

    I saw her on Bill Maher talking about respect, and love for all, respect for human dignity, don't like bigots, freedom for all, blah, blah, blah, etc. However, again, she has a long record of seeking to muzzle critics of Israel, going back to her campaigns against professors — several of them Arab — as an undergraduate at Columbia University in the early 2000’s. She also had a role in hounding out a Columbia dean for hosting former Iranian president Ahmadinejad. Her father is a stalwart at AIPAC, the Israel lobby group who defines our middle east policy with our US Congress.

    If we don't love the jews then we're anti-semites. But she is an anti-Palestinian and a Islamaphobe and a hypocrite. Videotapes recording illegal jewish settler squats throwing garbage on Hebron Palestinians does more to stereotype israel to the World than the claims of anti-Semites.

    Zionism -- the idea that Jewish people ought to have a Jewish state in mandate Palestine -- is anachronistic in the 21st century. The idea that non-Jews who have lived on the land for generations before the creation of the state of Israel should be relegated to second-class citizenship because they're not Jewish is racist plain and simple.


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  • echinococcus echinococcus, November 16, 2018, 6:17 PM

    Keith,

    I would put it even stronger. I am confident that current Mondoweiss comments policy represents the wishes of those running the website. It is almost inconceivable to me that this situation is the result of some rogue moderator. I would, of course, be happy to be proved wrong.

    A rogue censor wouldn't be a valid defense of management; it's a defense more damning than the indictment --it would mean owning up to being irresponsible.

    Also, we all know, from watching the hands rather than the statements, that there is no such thing here as a comment policy: it's their own site, they have a right to censor whatever they want, and they censor what they don't like to hear (i.e. most anything that disturbs liberaloid and Jewish-nationalist sensitivities.)


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  • Kay24 Kay24, November 16, 2018, 5:43 PM

    This is the ultimate goal the zionists were aiming for. To make the territories unlivable, so that these poor people will perish or flee. Damn all those who inflict this suffering on these helpless people, and damn those who enable them. While their precious citizens drink clean water, and swim in their pools, those they occupy are forced to drink contaminated water.
    This is sheer evil.


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  • JLewisDickerson JLewisDickerson, November 16, 2018, 5:42 PM

    Is it really such a bad thing to have one's mind numbed? [There's something odd about this Pinot Grigio!]


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  • Antidote Antidote, November 16, 2018, 5:40 PM

    “The “anti-Semitism” claim about criticism of Israel’s actual behavior – not its identity, not its religion, not its ethnicity, but its actual behavior – is precisely parallel with someone’s having claimed that criticism of the Soviet Union – and we all know there was a great deal, both at home and abroad, to criticize in the practices of the Soviet Union – was the same thing as hating Russians, what today we would call “Russophobia.”

    Anyone can understand the absurdity of that.”

    I don’t. If your argumrnt was valid, how come “Jewish Bolshevism” is widely considered as an anti-semitic canard? If the Jews had nothing to do with it, that leaves the Russians? And that’s ok?

    Russian leaders, regardless of their ethnicity or gender, have been denounced as tyrants for centuries. Some exceptions apply, like FDR calling the worst of them, the non-Russian Stalin, a democrat, even though he knew better.

    Putin is Russian. Demonized beyond reason. McCain dismissed Russia as a gas station with a country wrapped around it. A bonmot based on the old Prussian stereotype (gas station = military), more reasonably applied to Saudi Arabia, A country named after one single family.

    The stereotype of the brute Russian has been around for a long time and has nothing to do with Soviet or any other Russia.

    There is no factual grounds for painting Russia or Russians darker than the white washed empires of the so-called democratic West


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  • JLewisDickerson JLewisDickerson, November 16, 2018, 5:03 PM

    RE: "Avigdor Lieberman wants to give war a chance"

    Edwin Starr - War (What is it good for) + Lycris HQ!!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztZI2aLQ9Sw
    P.S. "Good God, y'all!"


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  • Keith Keith, November 16, 2018, 4:06 PM

    ANNIE- "eva, yeah, back in the days we used to host comment sections about pre ww2/holocaust and sometimes they would run into the 1000 of comments."

    I fail to see why what happened 6 years ago is relevant towards the trashing of Eva's comments now? From her comments which passed moderation, I get the impression that she is not initiating the discussion on Polish history, but rather replying to others who are, in her view, distorting Polish history. Furthermore, from those comments which I have observed, Eva is one of the better informed and articulate commenters. Since you seem to have access to trashed comments (I don't) you could review some of them to see if you agree that they violate some sort of guideline. You might also compare the content and quality of Eva's comments to some of the current Zionist garbage which has passed moderation and is polluting the Mondoweiss comments section.

    ANNIE- "mooser, a moderator policing the system putting their own comments policy in place deviating from stated goals of MW and keeping it deliberately hidden? hmm. i dunno.

    I would put it even stronger. I am confident that current Mondoweiss comments policy represents the wishes of those running the website. It is almost inconceivable to me that this situation is the result of some rogue moderator. I would, of course, be happy to be proved wrong.


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  • Citizen Citizen, November 16, 2018, 3:42 PM

    It's a succinct, basic core issues argument/comment--one I'd like to hear somebody influential say on US primetime news shows.


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  • Keith Keith, November 16, 2018, 3:39 PM

    DANAAA- "I’ll try and help sort this out (not that Keith authorized me to sort anything out, but I’ll try anyways), with a couple of points:"

    Always good to read your comments on Mondoweiss, something which I miss of late. As usual, I more or less agree with what you said. My problem is that of late too many of my comments were being rejected even though they did not violate either the written guidelines or the unwritten guidelines which were published once but are not reflected in the written comments policy. My rejected comments touched upon the lack of empirical support for many of these claims of anti-Semitism and violence against Jews, particularly how they compare RELATIVE to other groups. Marnie successfully commented on this issue on 11/15/18 on the JVP tells Cory Booker thread using much stronger language than I used. https://mondoweiss.net/2018/11/criminalize-defending-palestinian/comment-page-1/#comment-934611 Good for her! Unfortunately, I get the feeling that the messenger may count as well as the message. There are those, in Yonah Fredman's interesting phraseology, who are "born to the discussion." Then there is me, an uppity interloper poking my nose into the tent where I don't belong. No joke. You can say things which I cannot and I hope you continue to do so.

    There is another aspect to this as well. Even as my leash gets tighter, the Zionists are running amok. One of the Zionists recently claimed that "racist" Palestinians ethnically cleansed the Jews from Gaza. Another that anti-Zionist Jews will soon have their throats cut in parking lots. These pass moderation yet mine have problems? As things now stand, with the increase in Zionist commenters and tightened restrictions on anti-Zionists, the Mondoweiss comments section is becoming an effective platform for Zionist memes. I should add that some of these memes appear to resonate strongly with some anti-Zionist groups and with many anti-Zionist commenters.

    I share your fondness for at least some of the old days in the comments section where "spirited" discussions did occur, reflecting healthy disagreements to be talked about. These frequently were disagreements among the anti-Zionist commenters myself included. I will conclude on that note and hope this comment passes moderation.


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  • annie annie, November 16, 2018, 3:27 PM

    thanks peacenotapartheid, yeah, they blamed israel but they ran w/the very same "botched mission" narrative and pushed the line that 'oh yeah, israel does these "surveillance" missions routinely and they were not trying to kill anyone'. so tht's not really "blame" because there's no hint the mission was to provoke a response. it's the exact opposite of Shir Hever (and my) analysis.

    one thing that almost astounds me is how people have such short memories. after the 2014 summer slaughter the memory of the 2012 war on gaza (in the run up to the UN statehood bid) was almost wiped from memory, and the circumstances of the initiation of 08-09 slaughter seems to have faded from view. for review, the night obama won the election when all the world was revitted on that event israel invaded gaza in a very similar way and killed 6 or 7 hamas soldiers and the nyt published (israel breaks ceasefire) and a few days later that circumstance was wiped out of the press and throughout the remainder of the news cycle during that war they referenced the beginning with hamas rockets (a response). so i expect the media to "forget", but i don't expect activists to forget. yet i didn't witness any ah ha moments in my social media this time around --although one would assume it was in the arab press.

    anyway, thanks for the heads up. doubling down on the branding of botched mission and routine surveillance mission, which i don't believe for one minute, comes as no surprise.


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  • annie annie, November 16, 2018, 3:08 PM

    Misterioso, wow, what an incredible interview w/Shir Hever. he's so smart. the stuff about lieberman pulling the so called botched attack i already assumed by the way netanyahu left paris so fast. and the replication of cast lead MO certainly wasn's lost on me (as demonstrated my tweet), totally obvious actually, but this is the first time i've encountered any other analysis factoring that in.

    there's a bunch of stuff i didn't know tho, specifically that netanyahu wanted early elections. i thought early elections were a threat to netanyahu. and i REALLY didn't know anything about the ThyssenKrupp investigation. how that escaped my radar considering what a huge story it is i have no idea. here's the article shown in the video https://global.handelsblatt.com/companies/israel-bribery-thyssenkrupp-submarine-deal-netanyahu-979944 and now i am going to do more research on it. amazing. thank you. omg. it's all coming together.


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  • Mooser Mooser, November 16, 2018, 2:44 PM

    "Unlike you, Jews have all this literature and history that ties Jews back to exact times and places."

    "Ties Jews back to exact times and places" That doesn't sound so good.Maybe you could shred and burn all that before there's an accounting for Zionism and the Nakba.


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  • Mooser Mooser, November 16, 2018, 2:34 PM

    "That’s right, straight out of Saul Alinky’s playbook"

    This "Saul Alinky" must be one of those self-haters, a persecution-internalizer who gave the game away, huh?
    Well, if I ever get my hands on that shaigetz, he'll know to keep his mouth shut.


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  • annie annie, November 16, 2018, 2:26 PM

    just,

    Israeli forces reportedly demanded to photograph each student and teacher upon their arrival to the school

    it's mindnumbing.


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  • just just, November 16, 2018, 2:11 PM

    Thanks for this report.

    Things are getting worse (as usual) for the Palestinians. All one needs to do is read all about it in Kate's compilations. Here's today's:

    https://mondoweiss.net/2018/11/palestinian-photographed-checkpoint/

    So many folks still want to see Israel through their rose colored spectacles, but the truth is available for those who choose to see the truth. MW does a great job of telling truths.

    I was not stunned, nor even surprised, to read this today:

    "In First, U.S. Votes Against UN Resolution Condemning Israeli Control of Golan Heights

    151 countries vote in favor of resolution, with Israel and U.S. the only two countries voting 'no' ■ U.S. says it rejected resolution because it is 'extremely biased against Israel' ..."

    https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/in-first-u-s-votes-against-un-resolution-condemning-israeli-control-of-golan-heights-1.6657881

    The US and other 'democracies' are complicit and enabling in the ongoing Nakba and massacres of the Palestinian people... more stolen land, other resources, and involvement in killing wars all over MENA.


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  • annie annie, November 16, 2018, 2:05 PM

    defiant editors published blank pages. My numbering system is a bit like those blank pages. 171/186

    “your silent scream” – I am not screaming.

    Can you please let me be?

    I know that my numbers annoy you

    i wasn't being sarcastic. a big black white page is a silent scream. seriously, that's how i see it (wapo left Khashoggi's page blank recently, same effect). you post your numbers with every single comment with a "desire to bring them into discussion". we get it. as for "let you be", go for it. you've got the floor.

    p.s. the last time i entered into one of these discussions regarding your numbers, about a year ago, i asked you about the several instances in your archives w/double numbers (two posts w/the same numbers) and you didn't respond. i didn't press it and don't recall addressing it since. i don't know how i can better facilitate letting you be but i will no longer be commenting on your repetitive complaints about being censored. and comments about "global Jewish conspiracy controlling politicians and governments" will jack your numbers, but you probably figured that out already. ciao.


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  • Maghlawatan Maghlawatan, November 16, 2018, 1:52 PM

    Zionism is a polarizing force. There can’t be any unity when half of the group believes in justice and the rest root for sociopaths.


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  • Mooser Mooser, November 16, 2018, 1:50 PM

    Quite a difference from the experience of African-Americans, Hispanics, Asians, and even women of all groups.

    As far as the US goes, its a difference not just of magnitude, but a difference of type (the normal adjustments, by every measure, the experience of jostling and derision and social friction of European immigrants to US, vs. being legislated against, held in a lesser status by law ) so vast that I would think trying to make it tells more about the person equating the two experiences than anything else.


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  • peacenotapartheid peacenotapartheid, November 16, 2018, 1:41 PM

    That was 11/12. 11/11 was "Deadly Gaza Raid by Israel Threatens Nascent Cease-Fire" blaming Israel: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/12/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-rocket-fire.html.


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  • Mooser Mooser, November 16, 2018, 1:35 PM

    "Considering the membership of the Lords, a mere prison term for embezzlement is hardly a reason for loss of status."

    He was no member of the common throng. He is all nobleman, gone wrong!


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  • Mooser Mooser, November 16, 2018, 1:13 PM

    "I can only assume... I can also surmise... making comments inane"

    Exactly. So why take a chance? Double down on the insistence of corruption, skulduggery and intrigue at Mondo with the facts.

    Get a frozen chicken, extract the little bag in the body cavity, defrost carefully, examine with your hepatoscope, and know


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  • Mooser Mooser, November 16, 2018, 12:32 PM

    "mooser, a moderator policing the system putting.../...whole year."

    Sorry, "Annie". You've explained that several times, even searched the file when asked. I was just hoping a sort of "If the Tsar knew..." approach might be reassuring. But then I realized, 'uh, no, probably not.'

    I'll go back to my entrails. Just got in a chicken that's gonna tell me all about the Mondo Mods when I clean it for dinner.


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  • JoeSmack JoeSmack, November 16, 2018, 12:23 PM

    Sorry, but this is brazenly naive. The reality is that Israeli propaganda has always been at odds with reality. The writer is suggesting that the more SJP's image contradicts the propaganda, the more successful they will be. That is false.

    In reality, SJP and the Palestinian people in their entirety have always been distinct from the propaganda that has been voiced about them. Whether or not that makes a difference depends entirely on the views of the observers. Students loaded with racism and prejudice will not suddenly change their views when faced with such contradictions, and students without those prejudice would already have been supportive irrespective of what slander campaigns are used against the student activists.

    But more importantly, it is absolutely not a sign of strength that SJP is expected to maintain good optics. In any real struggle, particularly an ethnic/racial conflict, it is expected that people from one side engage in the kind of harsh rhetoric that comes with war. Likewise, it is inevitable when discussing something as delicate as race that even benign or insightful comments about racism will be perceived as "reverse discrimination" (in this case, "anti-Semitism").

    That National SJP reblogged sympathetic words about the massacre of Jews is not notable because virtually anyone with a brain condemned that act. Even the guy who did it mentioned the "optics" of other Neo-Nazis who know it is bad press to kill elderly worshipers.

    The more indicative evidence of SJP's views on anti-Semitism are the general day-to-day operations of SJP on campuses (and not the National branch, which is a mismanaged e-mail list-serv that throws annual parties with a dwindling number of attendees). Anyone who has traveled the lecture circuit or followed these groups on Facebook knows that SJP's don't just condemn anti-Semitism; they go out of their way to privilege Jewish voices, censor their own programming as a result of perceived anti-Semitism (rather than real anti-Semitism), silence Palestinians who take stronger stances, aggressively filter out the voices of Palestinians who do not live in America; avoid any sort of confrontation generally, and defer uncritically to the views of local Jewish groups that have mixed politics.

    In short, SJP's willingness to contradict the propaganda, not just by condemning anti-Semitism when it's in the news but by going out of its way to accommodate Jews and anti-Semitism concerns -- including totally fabricated and hysterical accusations made in bad faith --doesn't prove that it is a strong movement getting stronger. It proves it is a weak movement that is easily pushed into submission and cannot properly protect the voices of the wider community it seeks to represent. That it must win people over by avoiding anything that could even vaguely be perceived as anti-Semitic -- such as harsh criticism of Israel, discussion of race privilege, or even just the kind of chauvinistic rhetoric that comes with every racial/ethnic conflict -- shows that they are not strong. And if you ask many of the former student organizers who did this as undergraduates, they will tell you the same thing.


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  • CigarGod CigarGod, November 16, 2018, 12:18 PM

    They like to assign troops to the areas they live in.
    What could go wrong?


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  • bcg bcg, November 16, 2018, 12:03 PM

    "She believes passionately that Israel has united the Jewish people." Meanwhile, Shlomo Sand in a recent Haaretz piece casts doubt on the existence of a "Jewish people":

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/the-twisted-logic-of-the-jewish-historic-right-to-israel-1.6654428

    Since the publication of my first book "The invention of the Jewish people" a decade ago, I have made a point of emphasizing that it’s not only Jews who don’t possess a common DNA – neither do all other human groups that claim to be peoples or nations – besides which I have never thought that genetics can confer national rights. For example, the French are not the direct descendants of the Gauls, just as the Germans are not the offspring of the Teutons or of the ancient Aryans, even if until a little more than half a century ago many idiots believed just that. ...The founding myth of Zionism ... acts as the principal ideological glue for the nation’s everlasting unity, and today more than ever. The justification for Zionist settlement/colonization (choose your preferred term – they mean the same thing) is the meta-paradigm that is expressed in the declaration of the establishment of the state, namely: “We were here, we were uprooted, we came back.”


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  • Mooser Mooser, November 16, 2018, 11:56 AM

    "Still, some money would be nice." "RoHa"

    Why not have Mondo monetize your corrections? Simple spelling errors, this much, complex grammatical corrections, that much.
    What other web-site provides this level of service? In time, it may become the site's main attraction.


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  • Mooser Mooser, November 16, 2018, 11:46 AM

    "He didn’t know how to work the light switch."

    Vern is a great guy when you get to know him. He's very agreeable, and won't say anything you don't want him to.


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  • Misterioso Misterioso, November 16, 2018, 10:51 AM

    "The Electronic Intifada publishes documentary exposing Israel backed attacks on US activists"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhQSZMtDw3c

    Published on Nov 13, 2018

    "Al Jazeera's undercover film The Lobby – USA, censored by Qatar, has finally been published by The Electronic Intifada. Editor Ali Abunimah discusses the documentary's explosive revelations, exposing Israel-backed attacks on US activists.

    See the video here:
    https://electronicintifada.net/content/watch-film-israel-lobby-didnt-want-you-see/25876

    "The Electronic Intifada has obtained a complete copy of The Lobby – USA, a four-part undercover investigation by Al Jazeera into Israel’s covert influence campaign in the United States.

    "We are releasing the leaked film simultaneously with France’s Orient XXI and Lebanon’s Al-Akhbar, which have respectively subtitled the episodes in French and Arabic.

    "The film was made by Al Jazeera during 2016 and was completed in October 2017. But it was censored after Qatar, the gas-rich Gulf emirate that funds Al Jazeera, came under intense Israel lobby pressure not to air the film.

    "Although Al Jazeera’s director-general claimed last month that there were outstanding legal issues with the film, his assertions have been flatly contradicted by his own journalists.

    "In March, The Electronic Intifada was the first to report on any of the film’s specific content. We followed this in August by publishing the first extract of the film, and shortly after Max Blumenthal at the Grayzone Project released others."

    "Since then, The Electronic Intifada has released three other extracts, and several other journalists have watched the entire film and written about it – including Alain Gresh and Antony Loewenstein.

    "Now The Electronic Intifada can reveal for the first time that it has obtained all four parts of the film."


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  • Misterioso Misterioso, November 16, 2018, 10:41 AM

    Fascism reminiscent of Nazi Germany:

    Video: "Lieberman Quits Netanyahu For Not Being Violent Enough to Gaza," The Real News Network, Nov. 14/18

    The Real News Network interviews Shir Hever.

    Video of interview:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=7&v=V69d2khz4y4

    "The resignation of far-right Israeli Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman in protest of the Gaza truce could trigger early elections as Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu already grapples with the biggest corruption scandal in Israel’s history. We speak to author and Real News correspondent Shir Hever."


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  • CHUCKMAN CHUCKMAN, November 16, 2018, 10:37 AM

    I should hope so.

    This conflation of criticism of Israel and anti-Semitism is genuinely evil.

    Here is my brief definitive argument on the topic:

    https://chuckmanwordsincomments.wordpress.com/2018/10/01/john-chuckman-comment-my-definitive-points-against-the-ongoing-shabby-effort-to-conflate-criticism-of-israels-behavior-with-the-prejudice-of-anti-semitism-those-two-things-are-no-more-the-same-th/


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  • amigo amigo, November 16, 2018, 9:56 AM

    RoHa. I am keeping my distance to avoid contracting a dose of commaphobia.

    But thanks for your attention to detail.


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  • RoHa RoHa, November 16, 2018, 9:19 AM

    Emet, I'd like to see whether you are right about Mooser. Could you make some valid points, please?


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  • Eva Smagacz Eva Smagacz, November 16, 2018, 7:45 AM

    Annie, you said:

    "yes, we know. your silent scream out to the world reminding us every time you post you've been censored."

    Annie,
    "your silent scream" - you are reacting very strongly to what I am doing, the sarcasm is unmistakable. I am not screaming. I just dislike moderators decisions. And hate free speech restrictions (which is not the same as allowing trolls to flood the blog).
    Quite a few people left Mondoweiss comment section after being repeatedly and consistently moderated. I don't want to do that, and I learned that some areas are out of bounds since Mondoweiss became more mainstream. Can you please let me be?

    Mooser, you said:
    "Okay, maybe that is happening, but I feel very sure if Phil or Adam knew about it, they would put an immediate stop to it."

    They know about it, and it is entirely at their remit to do or not do anything about it. They equally know that I disagree with some moderating decisions. I know that my numbers annoy you - you comment about it every time the issue its raised.

    I can only assume that Phil and Adam made a decision to cater for sensibilities of certain political subpopulation of Jews who, they were worried, would otherwise be put off by comment section. This, in my mind, stems from the desire to bring them into discussion.

    I can also surmise that Phil and Adam believe that the best way to bring peace in Palestine is to convince (some) Jewish political fractions in USA to support the oppressed against oppressor. But there is a cost - and that cost is loosing valuable (at least to me) members of commenting community, and making comments inane.


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  • Vera Gottlieb Vera Gottlieb, November 16, 2018, 5:10 AM

    And I continue being ashamed of my Jewish background. The Jews of the Warsaw ghetto, fighting for their lives, should they have been demonized too...just for fighting for their survival???


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  • Marnie Marnie, November 16, 2018, 4:55 AM

    Not to mention arresting friends and family of the palestinian and of course, demolish some homes.

    31 years of marriage.


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  • Emet Emet, November 16, 2018, 4:40 AM

    We see you coming Mooser. That's right, straight out of Saul Alinky's playbook, rule 4. When the other side makes valid points then ridicule.


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  • Danaa Danaa, November 16, 2018, 2:20 AM

    what does “hearing palestinians on their own terms” have to do with your frustrations with mondoweiss?

    I'll try and help sort this out (not that Keith authorized me to sort anything out, but I'll try anyways), with a couple of points:

    1. Yes, MW has given plenty of space to Palestinians voices and kudos for that. But have you noticed how few comments those articles gather? surely not because the stories are not poignant enough or not relevant. The reason is much simpler - there is next to nothing anyone feels they can do about some of those very sad stories 9and they are nearly always sad. tragic even). There is no disagreement on the facts. There are no questions to be raised. There are only lamentations and empathy to offer (and again, it's great that some do that). Frankly, we all know we are witnessing an enormous tragedy in the making. We also have very little to offer in the face of it other than words of comfort, which not everyone is good at finding. We, and MW, are basically serving as witnesses. Just as some did to that other Holocaust that happened many decades ago.

    2. That being said - the overarching feeling by most who read MW is that the Palestinians can only be helped from without - by changing the hearts of American jews and shocking them with well administered doses of reality. Basically - ask anyone who cares about what's happening to the palestinians and they will tell you that it is largely up to the Jews of the world to get enough conscience to do what needs to be done, to set a new tone to the discourse. The jews and their leaders are needed to help America out of the conundrum of knee-jerk support of israel. I know the many Americans who are not Jewish have of course a big role to play as well, and some do try their utmost. But most (the majority) are terrified of coming out against the prevailing jewish voice because - stupid or otherwise, they fear the anti-semite label. MW is one of the few places to which commenters come - Jewish and not - who are willing to say it like it is, or at least they used to. because the finger of blame points not only at israel but at its No. 1 enablers who continue to cover for its worst atrocities and misdeeds.

    So, I guess my interpretation of keith's comment is that by abandoning the discussions about Jewish history and culture as contributing factors to the great evil that israel is perpetrating, MW may be relinquishing the only battleground where at least some modest victories can be had. Phil's pieces - like this one - seem to be among the few taking on the Jewish discourse in America in all its distortions of the narrative about palestine and Israel.

    I realize that the discussions about jewish culpability in the atrocities israel is committing can become toxic rather quickly. But perhaps the toxicity itself is a critical part of the problem. The Jewish movers and shakers and opinion writers like nothing more than to continue and wring their hands about the "sad state of affairs" while doing nothing of substance. Ultimately, it is the Jews that must first turn on Israel, because only then will others who are not Jewish dare to protest en mass. Enough so to have the least impact on Israel.

    The proof of what I say is really right before us as we speak - look at the pressure exerted on the four new progressive house members. Just look at it. Yes, it's coming from AIPAC that no one here tracks with, but it wouldn't succeed if many more who are not AIPAC were not so silently sheepish.

    FWIW, I kind of miss the old vibrant and rowdy comment section of MW. It may have not always been pleasant but it fulfilled a purpose, IMO. Where else could such discussions take place? and must we all be basically reduced to an endless litany of lamentations?


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  • annie annie, November 16, 2018, 1:28 AM

    So moderation was (is) a form of un-acknowledged censorship that readers of Mondoweiss were completely oblivious to. This made me feel too much like living under communism. In Poland, on occasion, when communist censor pulled the story, defiant editors published blank pages. My numbering system is a bit like those blank pages. 171/186

    yes, we know. your silent scream out to the world reminding us every time you post you've been censored. it never occurred to me it was for your own records.

    Okay, maybe that is happening,

    mooser, a moderator policing the system putting their own comments policy in place deviating from stated goals of MW and keeping it deliberately hidden? hmm. i dunno. it's fairly simple for anyone on staff just too click on the trash file and review the censored comments. one could even put someones name in search and read all of one poster's censored comments for the whole year.

    Supremacism is such an alluring ideology –....They are tangentially related to the fact that I ... take on Polish-Jewish relationships in the last thousand of years in Eastern Europe. ....There were posts in Mondoweiss that appeared to have virtually no discussion in comments.
    In reality, may people tried to get discussion going, but they were moderated out.

    eva, yeah, back in the days we used to host comment sections about pre ww2/holocaust and sometimes they would run into the 1000 of comments. there are a lot of people who really like talking about the holocaust and pre holocaust and the dynamics of relations between the jewish community and the countries in which they lived. we often don't host those discussions. you being polish would not be grounds to make an exception to that. even if you really think it's important or relevant. this is not a hidden agenda, it was announced on the front page and there was a banning of a number of people at that time, including jeffrey blankfort.

    there are a lot of people that got angry about that, many remain angry. there are also a lot of people angry at the blog for a lot of reasons. i so wish there was a place on the internet where people could go and write all the things they want to say here. ie i really wish gilad atzmon had a comment section on his blog so all the people who wanted to talk endlessly in 1000 comment long threads about jewish identity would have a place to express themselves.

    people write comments such as 'yeah, i wanted to write about this so&so guy (jewish) involved w/such &such at world trade center right before 9/11 but they wouldn't let me'. well, MW doesn't host discussions of 9/11 either. they tend to get long and laborious and speculative and aren't there other sites for people who want to discuss 9/11 to go to?

    often times MW doesn't host discussions about what MW doesn't host discussions about. but hey, if you think there are moderators here with their own agendas, not sure what to say about that. you could write adam and send him a copy of a comment (or a series of comments)that got rejected and see if he is interested in tracking down what moderator moderated it (not being a techie i don't know if that's possible but it probably is) but i can't really imagine a situation that would act in your favor.

    good luck.


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  • annie annie, November 16, 2018, 12:10 AM

    But Eretz Israel also has substantial ancient land claims in Saudi Arabia, doesn’t it? So if Saudi Arabia implodes over the Khashoggi affair, a big chunk of Saudi desert to store military hardware – a huge israeli military base – may be welcome.

    of course, why didn't i think of that.


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  • Marnie Marnie, November 15, 2018, 11:19 PM

    @Mooser wrt Washington's letter to Touro synagogue - George Washington and his Letter to the Jews of Newport

    The original of Washington’s Letter to the Hebrew Congregations of Newport, Rhode Island is small in size, but its impact on American life is immense. In 340 well-chosen words, the Letter reassures those who had fled religious tyranny that life in their new nation would be different, that religious “toleration” would give way to religious liberty, and that the government would not interfere with individuals in matters of conscience and belief. Quoting the Bible’s Old Testament, Washington writes,

    “every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and figtree, and there shall be none to make him afraid.”

    He continues:

    For happily the Government of the United States gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens, in giving it on all occasions their effectual support.1

    When he wrote this particular letter in August of 1790, the new President must have been aware of the effect it would have on the fledgling nation. He could not have known the extent of its influence today. The history behind Washington’s Letter not only gives us an understanding of the values of the early colonists and our Founding Fathers, but also insight into two fundamental tenets of American democracy: the separation of church and state, and the right of individuals to believe in and practice their religion."

    Still waiting for Dab's rebuttal to the many reposts regarding the jews 'as safe as blacks' remark, Dab might want to keep in his mind(s) that jews, though not allowed in exclusive neighborhoods, country clubs, hospitals, until much later, were among the practitioners of the south's 'peculiar institution' and "General Robert E. Lee, himself a committed Christian, pledged in 1864 to do all in his power “to facilitate the observance of the duties of their religion by the Israelites in the army,” and to allow them “every indulgence consistent with safety and discipline.”

    Compared to letter/directive by treasonous Jefferson Davis wrt the treatment of black soldiers who fought for the Union: "Turning slave property into a regiment of human soldiers, according to Jefferson Davis, was punishable by death. If a white man put a gun in the hand of a black man, both he and the black man, according to Davis, deserved to die – even if the black man had never been property in the first place.

    Davis decreed that captured black soldiers were “to be dealt with according to the laws of said States.” A few weeks earlier, he, along with his Secretary of War James Seddon, made it gruesomely clear what these laws were.

    In Georgia, mid-November, four black Union soldiers had been captured. General P.G.T. Beauregard, commanding the department, wrote to Richmond asking what should be done.

    Apparently, some Confederate cavalry had landed on an island off the South Carolina coast. While they were there, they “encounters six negroes in Federal uniforms with arms (muskets) in their hands.” Two were killed and four were captured. “One of these negroes, a boy named Manuel,” the report continued, “is now in the possession of Messrs. Blount & Dawnson, negro brokers in this city, for sale….”
    Subject to Death: The Confederate Response to Black Union Troops ...
    www.thiscruelwar.com/subject-to-death/

    crickets chirping


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  • Antidote Antidote, November 15, 2018, 11:12 PM

    @guyn

    Maybe not the entire alliance but the coalition of the willing may include Germany and Canada, not usually eager volunteers in such matters. Both countries have declared repeatedly that an attack on Israel would be considered as an attack on their own country. And they have some moral clout left.

    But a Russian/Saudi clash is probably more likely.


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  • Antidote Antidote, November 15, 2018, 10:56 PM

    mooser:

    There are as many Black Hebrew Israelites in Israel today than there were victims in the 9/11 attacks. You call that irrelevant? The latter sure got a lot of attention, all thecwy to Afghanistan.

    Somehow they fell through the cracks of the Civil Rights Movement and made aliya:

    “This is the great irony of the African Hebrew Israelites’ migration story: They left the U.S., where they were treated as second-class citizens because of the color of their skin, only to be treated as second-class citizens - and minus the citizenship - in Israel, because they are not recognized as Jews. (Given the option to convert to Judaism early on, they refused, asserting that they were the authentic descendants of the Tribe of Judah and that white Jews were imposters.)“

    https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-israel-give-the-african-hebrew-israelites-citizenship-1.5461503

    Betrays some true chutzpah, don’t you think?


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  • oldgeezer oldgeezer, November 15, 2018, 10:24 PM

    It's not very believable that the authorities don't know who did this. More than likely there is video of this.

    When was the last time you've seen settler raids without iof troops to protect them.


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  • RoHa RoHa, November 15, 2018, 10:17 PM

    I remember dear old Harold and his Gannex mac, and Lord Kagan.
    Considering the membership of the Lords, a mere prison term for embezzlement is hardly a reason for loss of status.

    It was a fairly minor theft, especially when compared with Cap'n Bob Maxwell's rip-off of the company pension funds.

    (You will remember that he was on his yacht in a dead calm sea, and "fell over the three-foot high guard rail at the back in the middle of the night". No-one heard or saw anything. A body was later found in the sea, and declared to be his.)


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  • RoHa RoHa, November 15, 2018, 9:57 PM

    I'm basking in Amigo's gratitude, Mooser. It's been a while since I corrected a comma and I've missed the warm glow.

    Still, some money would be nice.


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  • RoHa RoHa, November 15, 2018, 9:33 PM

    Is that the Vern who doesn't know the difference between "on" and "off"? If so, I have met him. He failed to shed any light on the issue. He didn't know how to work the light switch.


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  • gamal gamal, November 15, 2018, 9:08 PM

    "crooks to swindle the rest of us is anti-Semitic"

    At one time it was anti-Labour to object (Lord Kagan, the Gore-Tex tycoon)

    "Last year, after investigation began into his affairs, Kogan went into hiding in Israel with his secretary and was quoted in the Israeli press as claiming he was the target of a witch hunt against associates of Wilson. He left Israel for the continent and was extradited from France in the summer"

    Anti-semitism in France even then. He returned to the Lords after a short prison term and suffered no loss of status, Wilson loved him and modeled his famous overcoat ad nauseum, Labour has changed.

    https://www.jta.org/1980/12/15/archive/lord-kagan-jailed-for-10-months-faces-massive-fines-for-stealing-from-his-own-company


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  • Mooser Mooser, November 15, 2018, 8:40 PM

    "so surely that should be"

    "RoHa" Have you met our friend, Vern Akular? Well, hop on his back and take a ride.


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  • RoHa RoHa, November 15, 2018, 8:40 PM

    Numerology is preferable to haruspicy (less messy), but I'll stick to the 易經.


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  • Mooser Mooser, November 15, 2018, 8:35 PM

    "Probably true, but that misplaced comma is pretty irritating too."

    The gratitude for your corrections, "RoHa", is its own reward.


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  • Mooser Mooser, November 15, 2018, 8:32 PM

    "What about Black Hebrew Israelites, mooser?"

    That's a perfect example. In spite of both the alarming Constitutional and immense practical implications of this vast disenfranchised population growing ever more restive, there has been no effort by the US government to define the status of "Black Hebrew Israelites".


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  • niass2 niass2, November 15, 2018, 8:30 PM

    Cory Booker is a fool if he thinks his pseudo contrived possibly zionistac stances make my Jewish grandma and I want to vote for him. His reflexive opportunism simply means he can't be trusted on any issue, much less this issue. Gross. I don't think he understands what he is doing either, etc. Grandma says no and says this is like saying If your stupid look over here.....................we'd like protection from Israel, not him to protect israel, We're Jewish and don't want to be forced to be idiots just cause were supposed to be. Doesn't he have anything else to do for us, like pave my sidewalk? Is this cause he's from New Jersey? Is he? Maybe that's why, people there are..........................................problematic. I know. I went to 11/10/85, the Half Step-Rider Playin thing.


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  • RoHa RoHa, November 15, 2018, 8:26 PM

    But do not draw any conclusions from those two facts. It isn't allowed.


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  • RoHa RoHa, November 15, 2018, 8:25 PM

    Two facts to bear in mind.

    Wakanda is a fictional country, invented for a comic book. It does not exist, and no country like it has ever existed.

    Vibranium is a fictional substance. It does not exist.


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  • Mooser Mooser, November 15, 2018, 8:22 PM

    "Moose: Where’s “Grover?”

    "Grover" knows when he's licked. "Grover" has no intention of competing with "Emet".

    "Grover" may be a sock-puppet, but "Emet" is the full panty-hose.


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  • RoHa RoHa, November 15, 2018, 8:20 PM

    "Nothing irritates a narcissist , more than being ignored."

    Probably true, but that misplaced comma is pretty irritating too.


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  • Antidote Antidote, November 15, 2018, 8:08 PM

    What about Black Hebrew Israelites, mooser? Are they considered Blacks or Jews, and how did they fare in the US, or Israel?


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  • RoHa RoHa, November 15, 2018, 8:08 PM

    I'm pretty sure that denying the right of Israeli crooks to swindle the rest of us is anti-Semitic.


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  • guyn guyn, November 15, 2018, 7:25 PM

    @Antidote

    Only a provocation by Israel could bring a confrontation with Russia. I don't think the whole Western alliance would fly to help Israel, they would be alone, inasmuch the confrontation is limited.

    P.S. You remind me, I have to install my software Antidote.


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  • Antidote Antidote, November 15, 2018, 7:22 PM

    Thanks for the clarification, annie. Again, I see the situation very much like you do. Given that Assad is unlikely to go anywhere, the unilateral annexation of the Golan Heights and whatever else Israeli strategists were hoping to grab from a disintegrating Syria, no longer looks like a plausible prospect. But Eretz Israel also has substantial ancient land claims in Saudi Arabia, doesn’t it? So if Saudi Arabia implodes over the Khashoggi affair, a big chunk of Saudi desert to store military hardware - a huge israeli military base - may be welcome. I read somewhere that 50% of Israel within the Green Line is taken up by the military. Don’t remember where and maybe that’s an exaggeration. Transfering their stuff to the desert would free up considerable space for housing and other civilian purposes. And if KSA could be forced to give up total control of the holiest places of Islam, this may make the Iranians and Turks very happy, among others. The Saudis get to keep their oil and a state, and security guarantees. Lots of potential here


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  • Boomer Boomer, November 15, 2018, 7:20 PM

    Thanks for the links; good reporting. What a piece of work!


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  • Mooser Mooser, November 15, 2018, 6:59 PM

    "(some) moderators are putting their own comments policy in place, and then policing the system so that this deviation from stated goals of the blog is deliberately hidden." "Eva"

    Okay, maybe that is happening, but I feel very sure if Phil or Adam knew about it, they would put an immediate stop to it.


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  • annie annie, November 15, 2018, 6:48 PM

    as for putin and SA, he got concessions over syria, as did erdogan, which makes strategic sense. regardless what anyone says about putin, he's a smart man. he could run circles around netanyahu anytime. the diplomatic virtues of those two leaders are as contrasted as the landmasses of their respective countries. (maybe that's not worded right, but you get my drift).


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  • annie annie, November 15, 2018, 6:42 PM

    nor do I mind one bit if Netanyahu gets his ‘wings clipped’....Netanjahu is not Israel, and Putin has no interest in causing any more instability than there already is in the region

    i wrote: israel has had it’s wings clipped — by russia., so excuse me if you thought this implied netanyahu was israel, because that was not my intent. and of course i agree Putin has no interest in causing any more instability than there already is in the region, which is exactly why he sent S-300 surface-to-air missile system to Syria the first week of october, to prevent the little bully rogue state from spreading more havoc. for all i know it was ex defense minister liebermans's hairbrain idea.

    Does Putin care about the Khahoggi murder?

    i think you misinterpreted my "Khahoggi effect" comment. what i meant was, prior to Khahoggi's murder the saudi/israe/US/bolton/kushner anti-iran middle east plan, with saudi arabia as the "arab" face of that plan, was a tad more secure. note how israel was struggling w/how to respond to that event (dan shapiro wrote about it, lots of people did). now that plan is not so secure because associating with crown princes who chop up bodies is less popular than it was back in september.

    so my comment re Khahoggi pertained to netanyahu, and israel, not putin. i meant that instead of just one geostrategic alliance going belly up (so to speak) he's now got sort of a 2 pronged diplomatics kershuffle going on. and putin has been coordinating quite well w/iran in syria. as i'm sure you know, russia is the superpower we compete with in the ME. so as the shining neocon anti-iran trifecta juggernaut (IS/US/SA and dubai to a certain extent) loses a little of its luster, it shifts the balance of power between russia and the US... favoring russia. so this is why israel may want to kiss up to russia right now and in contrast, likely why israel thought they could afford to shit all over this balance of power just a couple months ago.


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  • Mooser Mooser, November 15, 2018, 6:33 PM

    "If you must respond , treat him with the derision he richly deserves."

    Only if I am absolutely sure I am not deriding a person who is experiencing and exhibiting a disturbed senescence. And I am not by any means sure of that.


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  • Mooser Mooser, November 15, 2018, 6:24 PM

    "Marnie", compare Pres. Washington's letter to the Tuono Synagogue with the experience of African-Americans in US.

    Not much of a comparison. The ignorance it takes to think the two are a variety of the same experience is mortifying to see.

    "Historically, i don’t recall any jews"

    How many laws concerning the civil rights of Jews or the status of Jews as American citizens were made?


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  • Antidote Antidote, November 15, 2018, 6:19 PM

    another perspective on Netanyahu, from Gideon Levy:

    “In his black jacket, Marshall Lapid would brief his forces: kill, destroy, obliterate, demolish. The nation would cheer and the “leftist” media would be ecstatic – the united chorus of war. Fifty days of elation, of horrific killing in Gaza and anxiety and rockets in Israel, leading nowhere. This is what Lapid meant this week when he said that “this is the right time to employ force.”

    Imagine Zionist Union leader Avi Gabbay as prime minister. “Quiet is bought by deterrence, not with money,” he wrote this week, as any run-of-the-mill right-winger could have written. Imagine opposition leader Tzipi Livni, who lashed out in a similar way: “Deterrence is created through military strikes,” and “exchange the Hamas leadership for people who cooperate with us.” Imagine Ehud Barak, who quipped that Hamas’ leader in Gaza, Yahya Sinwar, was “humiliating Netanyahu.”

    “Imagine the former military chief of staff, Benny Gantz, who held his silence; imagine Avigdor Lieberman, who resigned, or Naftali Bennett, who made threats. Imagine a nightmare. Not one of the demagogues on the left or right (as if there were a difference) offered anything but death and destruction. They simply wanted to placate the media, which has become more bloodthirsty and bellicose than ever, and the public, which only wanted to see dead Gazans, the more the better, with their houses destroyed as much as possible.

    Only one person stood up to this surging dark wave without faltering; we must honestly say so and praise him – the prime minister blocked another war with his body. It has been proved yet again that Benjamin Netanyahu is the most resolute war-hater among the country’s leaders. We should reiterate that, whatever his motives, the result suffices to command respect. Due to him no blood was shed. We can’t make light of this, we can’t help but give him credit.

    This time he even explained his policy – in Paris on Sunday and next to David Ben-Gurion’s grave on Wednesday. He spoke about the futility of war and the unpopularity of avoiding that path – the epitome of a leader’s statement. If a politician not named Netanyahu talked like that, we’d melt with pleasure. He spoke and he acted. No one praised him, and he’ll pay for it.”

    https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-we-must-give-credit-to-netanyahu-he-blocked-another-war-with-his-body-1.6655158

    Reminds me a bit of Trump who has been praised loudly by his fiercest critics on the left as. soon as he threw missiles into Syria, also potentially provoking a confrontation with Russia. “ Beauty of our weapons “ etc. Are they completely out of their minds? Is their some secret plot that tries to get Putin to retaliate against Israel, and then call the whole Western alliance to arms to defend poor Israel, the only democracy in the ME, against the dictator Putin defending the dictator Assad? It’s all very strange and sickening


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  • Mooser Mooser, November 15, 2018, 6:14 PM

    "Yes it is." "Jackdaw"

    Well then, no use crying over spilled milt. We'll have to defer to "Jackdaw", the man with personal experience of its tonic and nutritive properties.


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  • guyn guyn, November 15, 2018, 5:59 PM

    “If this were a Palestinian who carried out such an attack on an Israeli, they would have shut down all the roads, the entire West Bank if they had to, just to catch the guy.”

    And the story would have been published in the NYT. It happened a month ago and it is the first time I read about it.


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  • mondonut mondonut, November 15, 2018, 5:58 PM

    @amigo, Misterioso , maybe we should just ignore this tiresome troll.

    Good idea, why bother responding to actual content (and facts) when you can fall back on childish name calling.


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  • James North James North, November 15, 2018, 5:54 PM

    Moose: Where's "Grover?" Have you put him into hibernation?


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  • Antidote Antidote, November 15, 2018, 5:54 PM

    I don’t disagree with any of the points you make, annie, nor do I mind one bit if Netanyahu gets his ‘wings clipped’. I honestly don’t see much of a future for him. But Netanjahu is not Israel, and Putin has no interest in causing any more instability than there already is in the region. Does Putin care about the Khahoggi murder? He says Russia cannot afford sanctioning KSA, in other words: as long as the US is sanctioning Russia and ordering Europe to buy gas from the US, he will do whatever he damn pleases wrt KSA, and not only them, whether it messes up US policy or not. Same applies to Israel and Iran


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  • Mooser Mooser, November 15, 2018, 5:52 PM

    "Annie, what you are asking Jews to do is ignore the Torah." "Emet"

    And Jews never ignore the Torah. The Torah, as interpreted by our religious authorities, rules our lives.

    (Wow, it certainly behooves non-Jews to make a detailed study of the Torah and what it commands Jews to do. So they can make Jewish intentions clear. And deal with them pro-actively.)


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  • Mooser Mooser, November 15, 2018, 5:41 PM

    "And don’t forget for a second that the Brown Shirts were Leftists."

    Oh, you bet, "leftists"! After all, the Nazis called themselves "National Socialists".


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  • CHUCKMAN CHUCKMAN, November 15, 2018, 5:19 PM

    Expecting any fairness, or even genuine journalism, in such matters is delusional.

    Readers may enjoy:

    https://chuckmanwordsincomments.wordpress.com/2018/09/23/john-chuckman-comment-misconceptions-about-the-new-york-times-setting-the-record-straight-it-simply-aint-what-it-pretends-to-be/


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  • Mooser Mooser, November 15, 2018, 4:48 PM

    "I am well aware of the sort of comments that the moderators will not let through."

    Yes, but noting the number submitted / the number printed provides numerological evidence of censorship.


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  • annie annie, November 15, 2018, 4:38 PM

    israel wants to be able to carry out airstrikes with impunity in syria, whenever or wherever. a week after the downed russia plane "In a blow to Israel, Russia says it will send Syria powerful antiaircraft missiles" (which they did) https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/in-blow-to-israel-russia-says-it-will-send-syria-powerful-antiaircraft-missiles/2018/09/24/674745b8-bffe-11e8-be77-516336a26305_story.html?utm_term=.5564aed8d98f

    so israel has had it's wings clipped -- by russia.


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  • annie annie, November 15, 2018, 4:29 PM

    Israel does not need the US. Their influence in the ME is also in decline. Netanyahu’s new favorite destination is Moscow

    ah the trials and tribulations of netanyahu, if only he had foreseen the khashoggi effect before Syrian air defenses accidentally shot down a Russian military aircraft killing 15 people in response to Israel airstrikes, on September 18th. because unlike the US stooges, putin is not a complete idiot flacky for israel and doesn't believe netanyahu claims it was all just a mistake.

    Putin says no planned meeting with Netanyahu as tensions persist

    Yet Israeli Hadashot TV reported on Sunday that Netanyahu told his cabinet that the “the crisis with Putin is far worse than we thought.” “Putin sees the downing of the plane as a personal affront to his prestige and this is an important component in his perception of power. Therefore, this is a strategic blow that made the crisis worse,” Netanyahu reportedly said.

    published today: https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/188756-181115-putin-says-no-planned-meeting-with-netanyahu-as-tensions-persist

    more likely putin thinks israel is lying as they do routinely with impunity and he's not happy about that downed plane and 15 dead. so yes, netanyahu's relationship w/trump has probably been more of a liability, the kushner new deal is a flop, SA is not looking so great right now, and netanyahu finds himself on the outs with putin. so yeah, his favorite destination may be moscow because he's not welcome there right now. it might be awhile.


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  • Maghlawatan Maghlawatan, November 15, 2018, 4:26 PM

    Meanwhile a great friend of mondo is in a spot of bother

    https://lobelog.com/dershowitz-received-120k-from-anti-muslim-gatestone-institute/

    And he is a libéral democrat

    https://youtu.be/MKL3gflkLzY


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  • Antidote Antidote, November 15, 2018, 4:18 PM

    Carter is a decent and honest man, and his presidency was destroyed by his national security advisor Breszinski who would gladly set the ME on fire and throw the entire region into chaos —if only it led to the downfall of the hated Soviet Union and the liberation of Central and Eastern Europe from the Russian scourge, including his native and beloved Poland. Racist condescension and resentment disguised as American values such as democracy, and geopolitical musings about grand chessboards and other nonsense. It is a shame he is still held in such high esteem in the US, and often on this blog. Being a critic of Israel does not in itself make you a decent person. As bad as Cheney and Rumsfeld, if not worse.


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  • Antidote Antidote, November 15, 2018, 3:28 PM

    So what. Israel does not need the US. Their influence in the ME is also in decline. Netanyahu’s new favorite destination is Moscow, not Washington. For good reasons. Only Putin talks to everyone, whereas the US keeps playing their ever more absurd “dictator” and “axis of evil” game. Who still be believes that Iran is the biggest sponsor of terrorism and destabilizing force in the region, or the biggest violator of human rights and democratic priciples? Gobbling up country after country? You have to live under a rock, like most Americans do, to still buy this rubbish


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  • amigo amigo, November 15, 2018, 3:16 PM

    re mondonut ,Misterioso , maybe we should just ignore this tiresome troll.

    Nothing irritates a narcissist , more than being ignored.

    If you must respond , treat him with the derision he richly deserves.


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  • Boomer Boomer, November 15, 2018, 2:14 PM

    It's good that you document these biased reports, though it must be tedious work. The Times can still do good work when it wants to on other topics, of course, e.g., the recent report on Facebook's attempt to blame Soros for criticisms of Facebook. One would expect more group loyalty among the Elders, if such a group existed.


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  • Kathleen Kathleen, November 15, 2018, 2:14 PM

    PW " But the segregated character of this discussion is unsustainable"

    Not if your goal is to sustain and fuel the myth that Israel is always in the right.

    This morning on MSNBC's Morning Joe, Scarborough said that the effort by Facebook to define any criticism of the FB as "anti-Semitic" and to convince the ADL to weigh in as "sleazy". Everyone else on Morning Joe ran from Scarborough's comment. Fascinating

    Forgot to mention that over a week ago when a group of MSNBC pundits were discussing Trump sending U.S. troops down to the U.S. Mexican border because individuals in the "Caravan" were throwing rocks Andrea Mitchell responded with "what is this the Gaza?" Clearly drawing a parallel between Israel's disproportionate response to Palestinians throwing rocks.

    Andrea threw a twist into the conversation in an unexpected way.


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  • Antidote Antidote, November 15, 2018, 1:54 PM

    I should add one more point: Just as the new blood and soil right in Europe loves Israel, so do some Native Americans. You would think they would all identify with the blood and soil Palestinians instead but no: it is the Jews who have SUCCESSFULLY reclaimed their homeland even after 2000 years, and revived their culture and language. Why identify with losers? here is one example

    https://kehilanews.com/2017/02/23/native-american-couple-visits-israel-as-ambassadors-of-indigenous-peoples/

    And there is, of course, the old theory of the Native American tribes being the descendants of the lost tribes of Israel, which has been around from post-Columbian missionaries until today, moving from biblical to ethnographic to genetic models of evidence . This may explain the relative absence of anti-semitism in US history (compared to Europe, where Jews were generally identified as migrants and foreigners): Jews provided a link to the land as immigrants joining their long lost relatives: convert/assimilate both, and a messianic age of peace was sure to follow. At the same time, it adds acwhole new dimension to what David Stannard calls the biggest genocide of all times in his book “American Holocaust”. Could this, psychologically, explain the extraordinary position of Israel in US society, religion and politics? Can’t undo what happened to the Native Americans without “painful concessions” such as land and resources. So much easier to make it up to the Jews and restore their land at the expense of non-Americans.

    Justice and Atonement?


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  • Antidote Antidote, November 15, 2018, 1:27 PM

    “Why are you conflating multicultural USA circa 2018 with blood and soil Germany circa 1932 when the demographics and other relevant factors are radically different? This is Zionist ideology, not empirical reality.”

    ok, let’s get sth straight about “blood and soil” vs muliculturalism, and some major differences between Europe and the US , esp with regard to the conception of “race”

    First, the US was clearly founded in opposition to all notions of blood and soil, as a “nation of laws, not men”. Theoretically at least, any immigrant had as much right to live and thrive in an expanding country as any other immigrant or the indigenous population. Blood and soil types who defended their superior rights to their ancestral lands and opposed immigration were branded as “savages” in the Declaration of Independence, which is now a bit of an embarassment - not only because of a long history of racism and genocide of the ‘red Indians’, but also because it brands the new anti-immigration white supremacist blood and soil types screaming for a wall as ‘savages’ in violation of quintessential Americanism.

    In Europe, white people are the indigenous people and as blood and soil as the original Native Americans. Europeans never thought of themselves as white but as Italians, Spaniards, Poles, French, German etc. Hence, a Spaniard considers him/herself white until lectured upon entering the US that the cross meeds to be made on the “Hispanic” box. A german or Italian will get away with identifying as “white” even though either may be of darker complexion as the blond and blue-eyed Spaniard, as the case may be.

    The first problem is this: If you support indigenous land claims in the US, and lament the replacement of indigenous peoples, cultures, languages by non-indigenous immgrants from wherever else, you must logically also be in favor of blood and soil politics in Europe. Unless, that is, you think ‘red Indians’ have more rights than ‘white Europeans’. Both terms, incidently, are. generally perceived as”loaded’, also juxtaposing victims of racism against their destroyers, i.e. white supremacists.

    White supremacy, however, makes no sense in the European context because they are/were all white. Racism as theories of superiority are intense and linked to tribal/national achievements such as size of population/territory, cultural and economic development etc. Hence, white supremacy in American history has always been affected by intrawhite racism. Benjamin Franklin famously considered Swedes and Germans as “swarthy” non-whites and declared the “red Indians” as racially superior to them and more equal to the master race of white anglo-saxons. Irish immigrants in the 19th c were called “inside-out blacks”, reflecting homegrown anglo-saxon attitudes against the Celts/Irish, and so on. Wasps only gradually admitted non-Wasps, be they white or not, to equal rights in US history, and it is idiotic to call white suprematists in the US Nazis or Neo-Nazis and tell them to “ go home”

    They are home, and always have been, long before the real Nazis adopted Jim Crow laws and came up with the Nuremberg race laws, replacing “black” with “Jew”


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  • brent brent, November 15, 2018, 1:24 PM

    Violence and counter-violence is Israel's path and is needed to play the double game. Opting for a stand down would build a bridge to consequential allies, humanist Jews and American politicians. Rocks and rockets have run the course already.


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  • mondonut mondonut, November 15, 2018, 1:16 PM

    @Misterioso, I must have missed the memo. What are “Israel’s” officially declared borders

    Israel has officially declared borders with each and every adjacent country. Formal recognition by the "world community" is nonsense, borders are agreements between countries that share them, although often with territorial dispute.

    Israel's borders with Egypt and Jordan are not disputed. The border with Lebanon is largely without dispute and the border with Syria is mostly if not entirely disputed. But nonetheless, they are officially declared.

    And yes, territorial disputes are commonplace...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_territorial_disputes


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  • JoeSmack JoeSmack, November 15, 2018, 12:55 PM

    Unsurprising given that the billboard space itself is privately owned by an advertising company, not Palestine Advocacy Project.

    I wonder if, as a strategy, it is worth simply obtaining our own billboards.


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  • CigarGod CigarGod, November 15, 2018, 12:49 PM

    Answer: When there is profit in Peace and Justice.

    Oh, and the donkeys?
    They are burros.
    Israelis invented burritos;-)


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  • Citizen Citizen, November 15, 2018, 12:36 PM

    Thanks, JLD. More info:
    Logan Communications
    Phone: (617) 567-0065
    Web: www.logancommunications.net
    Name: Richard D Goldberg
    Job Title: Owner


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  • Antidote Antidote, November 15, 2018, 12:17 PM

    @ mysterioso:

    “Bogus argument .... For the most part, the countries you cite “occupied and replaced populations” long before the United Nations was established in 1945 and those that did so afterwards, including Israel, are in violation of international law. Israel is a member of the UN and is legally bound to comply with its Charter, which prohibits the acquisition of territory by war, i.e., as reiterated in the preamble to UNSC Res. 242: “Emphasizing the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war…”

    Yours is an even bigger bogus argument. From the Israeli perspective , “big countries” are not just Canada, the US etc but also much bigger countries than Israel, such as Poland, which is almost as big as Germany and France. I just posted on the Polish issue at length, so I will be brief: The biggest violation of the principles you cite occured in Central and Eastern Europe in 45 and continuing for years, even decades after. The largest ethnic group affected by ethnic cleansing and massive expropriation of their lands and possessions were Germans, although
    there were millions of others as well. There are plenty of reasons why this has been sunk into a big memory hole, the most important being to support the myth that the defeat of Nazi Germany by the “civilized nations” somehow saved and established a better, more just and peaceful new world order, guided and guarded by the US and her allies. And we are now, because of Trump, supposed to fear that this wonderful, peaceful order will disappear. How about: good riddance to this horrendous hypocrisy? Take a look at Robert Kagan’s new lament how 70 years of peace and prosperity may come to an end. Peace and prosperity where?

    “Orderly and Humane”, now out of print, caused a bit of a sensation in the US, and claims to be the only book published in any language on its subject. Complete nonsense but typical marketing strategy.

    https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300166606/orderly-and-humane


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  • Marnie Marnie, November 15, 2018, 11:59 AM

    You got that right.


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  • Boomer Boomer, November 15, 2018, 11:41 AM

    I guess the humor depends on who is paying, and how one calculates the cost:

    https://www.stripes.com/news/us/the-cost-of-post-9-11-wars-hit-5-9-trillion-480-000-lives-lost-study-says-1.556646


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  • Marnie Marnie, November 15, 2018, 11:25 AM

    @Misterioso - !!!!

    @dab - Tick-tock.


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  • Marnie Marnie, November 15, 2018, 11:24 AM

    "Make up your mind(s)" was to Dab as he is flip-flopping like a fish caught on a lie.


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