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  • lonely rico wrote:

    Trudeau’s shameful support for Israeli criminality,
    highlighted by (multiple) paroxysms of savage violence and cruelty.
     
    I will never forget,
    never forgive
    Trudeau’s support for the murder of hundreds of Palestinian children –
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmG_MlcL6TE
     
    Until Canadian government policy on Israel changes, Canada should not have a seat on the Security Council.

    On Canada’s record on Israel should disqualify it from a Security Council seat, June 04, 2020, 8:25 PM
  • lonely rico wrote:

    Conditioning aid for Israel is one of the stupidest things I’ve ever heard.
    Israel’s Rep. Eliot Engel.
     
    I’m with you on this one Eliot!
     
    No conditioning of aid because there should be NO aid (to condition) for your beloved Israel;
    none for the racist state which murders, imprisons, tortures, and destroys the lives of millions of Palestinians,
    because they were born non-Jewish.

    On The Whole World is Watching, June 04, 2020, 7:37 PM
  • Daedalus wrote:

    Dear Jack,
     
    In case you haven’t noticed, the topic of this post is the failure of the NYT as well as the response of the US media in general. Not only does the title tell you this, but so does lede paragraph.
     
    The facts you promote as ‘relevant’ are, in fact, not at all relevant to the story, which concerns itself with US news coverage. In fact, I would say that you are trying to change the topic.
     

    On Israeli police killing of Eyad Al-Halaq is ignored by the ‘New York Times’, June 04, 2020, 6:14 PM
  • echinococcus wrote:

    The Catalan is only half right. Sobbing helps the Zionists a huge lot. And some more.
    Wonder where he picked that almost verbatim quote from Goebbels’ Ministerium on the day before the invasion of Belgium and France… I guess great minds think alike.
     
     

    On Israeli leader says likening US police killings to Palestinian treatment shows antisemitism, June 04, 2020, 5:02 PM
  • MHughes976 wrote:

    Our mysticism about ancient Israel goes back a very long way. Stephen Joyce ‘Gildas Prophecy for Britain’ says that Gildas’ identification c. 550 of the British as ‘the Israel of this time’ had an enormous influence on British self-perception. I don’t know if it’s seriously possible to trace this self-perception over 1,000 years but first book-length call for a Jewish state in Palestine whose title I know is British, ‘The Great Restauration’ by Henry Finch MP of 1621, though apparently the subordinate role envisaged for us in the Jewish ‘Restauration’ seriously annoyed James I. Maybe the line of influence runs all the way from Gildas to Lloyd George, that flower of Bible-venerating agnosticism.
    William Horbury’s ‘Jewish War under Trajan and Hadrian’ has a chapter on Euro and perhaps especially British scholarship in the 1800s, with its slowly increasing sense of a wrong done to Jews and a proto-Z sense of a need to put things right. But we did it the wrong way!

    On Britain and Palestine: a question of colonialism, June 04, 2020, 4:35 PM
  • genesto wrote:

    How about this. One in five veterans of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq – you know, those illegal and immoral wars that Israel has played a major part in instigating – are police officers in this country. These are trained killers, taught to believe that lethal threats from people of color constantly surround them, who too often are still traumatized from their combat experience when they become officers. Add to this the military-style training provided by none other than ‘experts’ from the IDF, provide free surplus paramilitary-style weaponry from the US government, remove any accountability for their crimes as officers (police unions MUST address this problem), and you have the explosive situation we are dealing with presently.
     
    There is a direct, and very deep, connection between these wars of choice and police brutality. This is at the core of the problem and, unless we acknowledge and address it, all attempts at police reform will mean nothing!
     

    On Israeli leader says likening US police killings to Palestinian treatment shows antisemitism, June 04, 2020, 3:43 PM
  • eljay wrote:

    || genesto: Unless, of course, catalan is a bad Arab! ||
     
    It’s hard to know what he is. Heck, even he doesn’t seem to know. At any given time he might be:

    • – New Mexican;
    • – Arab;
    • – Bulgarian;
    • – Persian;
    • – Spanish;
    • – Italian;
    • – part of the “Jewish race”;
    • – all of the above;
    • – some of the above; or
    • – none of the above.

     

    On The arms race between Dems and GOP for pro-Israel donors, June 04, 2020, 3:29 PM
  • bcg wrote:

    Just posted in the New York Review of Book daily blog – “How Police Became Paramilitaries”
     
    https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2020/06/03/how-police-became-paramilitaries/
     
    Law enforcement has, in fact, been training for a moment like this—specifically by learning techniques and tactics from Israeli military services. As Amnesty International has documented, law enforcement officials from as far afield as Florida, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, California, Arizona, Connecticut, New York, Maryland, Massachusetts, North Carolina, Georgia, Washington state, and the D.C. Capitol have traveled to Israel for such training. These programs, according to research backed by Jewish Voice for Peace, focus on exchanging methods of “mass surveillance, racial profiling, and suppression of protest and dissent.” The 2018 report has prompted some cities, such as Durham, North Carolina, to oppose police training with Israeli security partners because of concerns about “subsequent harms to communities of color” in the US.

    On George Floyd killing highlights issue of US police training in Israel, June 04, 2020, 3:27 PM
  • jon s wrote:

    Misterioso, One small clarification is called for . The limit on Jewish immigration was set at 75,000 for 5 years so perhaps you should have written “a rate of 15,000 per year.”
     

    On Britain and Palestine: a question of colonialism, June 04, 2020, 3:11 PM
  • genesto wrote:

    catalan, you’re coming across as just another willfully ignorant Zionist playing the distract and deflect card from the Hasbara playbook!

    On The arms race between Dems and GOP for pro-Israel donors, June 04, 2020, 3:07 PM
  • genesto wrote:

    Answer: Never has and never will!!

    On The arms race between Dems and GOP for pro-Israel donors, June 04, 2020, 3:05 PM
  • genesto wrote:

    Unless, of course, catalan is a bad Arab!

    On The arms race between Dems and GOP for pro-Israel donors, June 04, 2020, 3:02 PM
  • genesto wrote:

    Paraphrasing the old adage that you can tell a person’s character by the friends he keeps, the Zionists’ full embrace of scumbag Dershowitz tells me all you need to know about them.

    On The arms race between Dems and GOP for pro-Israel donors, June 04, 2020, 3:00 PM
  • genesto wrote:

    Israel gets to choose between being an official apartheid state, or a democracy where, at least on paper, it must relinquish Jewish privilege and be a REAL democracy. Choosing the second option would truly be ‘fantastic’. Choosing the first, not so much.

    On The arms race between Dems and GOP for pro-Israel donors, June 04, 2020, 2:57 PM
  • Misterioso wrote:

    From Canada, continued:
    “The government of Canada must send a strong message in opposition to the illegal and unilateral annexation of Palestinian lands and officially recognize the State of Palestine, based on the pre-1967 borders. Canada must consider a forceful response, including revisiting the Canada-Israel Free Trade Agreement and other bilateral agreements and the imposition of economic sanctions against Israel.”

    On Israeli annexation, Canadian confusion, June 04, 2020, 1:56 PM
  • Misterioso wrote:

    From Canada:
    https://canadianlabour.ca/canadas-unions-call-on-the-canadian-government-to-fight-to-stop-the-annexation-of-palestinian-lands/?fbclid=IwAR3kNen8fE537QvVPL5Fwonc5lTztUwLoSCV_Ha1-6gTCNp7C0LbhXEJh9I

    “Canada’s Unions call on the Canadian government to fight to stop the annexation of Palestinian lands”

    June 2, 2020
    “The Canadian Labour Congress condemns the recent unilateral move by Israel to annex parts of Palestinian territory. This move dismantles decades of work towards a just and negotiated settlement between Israel and Palestine.

    “Israel’s new coalition government has announced it will move forward with the process of annexing West Bank settlements and the Jordan Valley as early as July.

    “The unilateral annexation of territory has been strictly prohibited under international law since 1945 when the Charter of the United Nations was adopted. Israel’s control of the Palestinian territories has been denounced as illegal under international law and in violation of United Nations Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338 and the Geneva Convention.

    “Under Israeli occupation, Palestinians have been forced to live under heavy restrictions that limit their access to work, health, housing and social affairs. As Israel has expanded its settlements and built a separation wall around Palestinian lands – illegal acts under international law – Palestinians have been subject to evictions and displacement, confiscation of land, settler violence and loss of access to natural resources.
     
    “This annexation will have devastating social and economic implications. It is expected that this would disconnect around 200,000 Palestinians from their communities and livelihoods. It will also advance the annexation of Jerusalem and destroy the establishment of a Palestinian capital in the city, breaking the territorial contiguity between East Jerusalem and the West Bank. This contiguity is essential for the fabric of life for Palestinians. (cont’d)

     

    On Israeli annexation, Canadian confusion, June 04, 2020, 1:51 PM
  • Misterioso wrote:

    @jon s
     
    Well said!
     
    For the record:
    The 1939 MacDonald White Paper, which in accordance with the British Class A Mandate, ruled out any possibility of a Jewish state and declared Great Britain “could not have intended Palestine should be converted into a Jewish state against the will of the Arab population of the country.” It called for a Palestinian state in which Jews and Arabs would govern jointly based on a constitution to be drafted by their representatives and those of Britain. The constitution would safeguard the “Jewish National Home” in Palestine and if good relations developed between Jews and Arabs, the country would be granted independence in ten years. Land sales to Jews were to be restricted and the annual level of Jewish immigration was to be limited to 15,000 for five years, following which, Palestinian Arab acquiescence would be required. (Hence, consistent with the terms of its Class A Mandate and the MacDonald White Paper, Britain abstained on the UNGA vote regarding the recommendatory only Nov. 29/47 Partition Plan.)
     

    On Britain and Palestine: a question of colonialism, June 04, 2020, 1:25 PM
  • catalan wrote:

    “Sob Sob Sob Sob Sob Sob Sob.” Sums up the bds movement perfectly. Annexation coming. Deal with it. Whining and sobbing won’t help you.

    On Israeli leader says likening US police killings to Palestinian treatment shows antisemitism, June 04, 2020, 12:48 PM
  • Jackdaw wrote:

    @Mistero Zero
     
    Oh. I’m sorry I must have not seen where North including those two relevant facts.
     
    My bad.

    On Israeli police killing of Eyad Al-Halaq is ignored by the ‘New York Times’, June 04, 2020, 12:38 PM
  • Ossinev wrote:

    “And you hear also what’s going on on the ground, you realize that there is a whole onslaught against Israel with terrible things– I’ve seen even in the last few days people comparing what’s going on in the streets in America to the Israeli challenges and confrontations with the Palestinans. It’s totally different circumstances and totally different story. But it’s become like a political blame game”
     
    Sob Sob Sob Sob Sob Sob Sob. Poor victimised Zionists. Its like the poor Israel is lying face down on the ground and has the knees of all these Human Rights Groups pressing down on its neck and can`t breathe.
     
    Sob Sob Sob Sob Sob Sob Sob.
     

    On Israeli leader says likening US police killings to Palestinian treatment shows antisemitism, June 04, 2020, 11:24 AM
  • eljay wrote:

    || jon s: So because of one half day seminar 8 years ago -jointly hosted by the FBI- George Floyd was murdered. Right… ||
     
    You think that’s crazy yet you hold and promote the insane belief that the existence of a country in geographic Palestine over 2000 years ago today grants to people all over the world – citizens of homelands throughout the world – who have chosen to embrace a particular religion-based identity the “right” to be supremacists, to have as large as possible a supremacist state in that region and to do “necessary evil” unto its indigenous population.
     
    Right…
     
     
     
     

    On Israeli leader says likening US police killings to Palestinian treatment shows antisemitism, June 04, 2020, 10:16 AM
  • Stephen Shenfield wrote:

    Other groups in the US besides Black people are also disproportionately victimized by police violence. For instance, Native Americans, the homeless, people with developmental disabilities (like Eyad Al-Halaq). If people belonging to other victimized groups support the Black struggle partly because they are aware of the link with their own causes I do not see why this is so terrible. Even support for the “wrong” reasons helps broaden the social base of the movement, deter mass repression, and enhance its achievements.

    On Solidarity means fighting for Black lives, June 04, 2020, 9:58 AM
  • catalan wrote:

    “So because of one half day seminar 8 years ago -jointly hosted by the FBI- George Floyd was murdered. Right…” Jon
    It is all a trap. Last weekend in Chicago alone (one city!) there were 85 shootings with 23 fatalities. People (mostly black and some Hispanic) were killed on the street, on their porches and while shopping. Their names unknown they have not received 10 million in donations. Obama did not tweet to donate to their families. Their children won’t be provided for by a massive settlement with the city. They were killed by other blacks, you see, so they don’t count. Here is an article so you don’t think it’s an exaggeration. Let’s see how they blame Israel for the mayhem in your average American city. https://www.google.com/amp/s/chicago.suntimes.com/platform/amp/2020/6/1/21275944/chicago-weekend-shootings-most-violent-weekend-2020-may-29-june-1

    On Israeli leader says likening US police killings to Palestinian treatment shows antisemitism, June 04, 2020, 9:58 AM
  • Misterioso wrote:

    @catalan
    Meanwhile, in the real world:
     
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-tells-settlers-us-hardening-its-stance-on-annexation-official-says/
     
    “Netanyahu said to tell settlers US enthusiasm for annexation ‘may have lessened'” The Times of Israel, June 2/20 by Jacob Magid and TOI staff.
     
    EXCERPT:
    “Official at talks tells ToI the PM told West Bank mayors Washington’s stance has toughened, application of sovereignty may not happen as quickly, or at the scope previously planned.
     
    “In a meeting with settler leaders Tuesday, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu indicated that the Trump administration was toughening its stance on the new Israeli government’s plans to annex parts of the West Bank, and signaled that any such effort might be delayed, according to a settler official who took part in the meeting.
     
    “The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, told The Times of Israel that the premier also told the West Bank mayors that the United States ‘may have lessened its enthusiasm about seeing sovereignty carried out.’ 
     
    “Netanyahu has said repeatedly he plans to move forward with unilaterally annexing these areas beginning next month, though the US has reportedly told him to ‘slow the process.’ 
     
    “The official said settler leaders left the ‘intense’ meeting under the impression that annexation would not be taking place ‘as soon or in the scope’ that had initially been pledged by Netanyahu.” 
     
    “While supporting annexation, prominent settler leaders have come out against the Trump plan for its backing of a Palestinian state. They also oppose the proposal’s transformation of 15 settlements into isolated enclaves encircled by the future Palestinian state, with their objections based on a conceptual map released by the US in January.” 
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     

    On ‘There is no shortage of blame and criticism to be cast on Palestinian leadership’ — and Ted Deutch casts it for an hour, June 04, 2020, 9:51 AM
  • David Kattenburg wrote:

    Addendum: That open letter from 50 former Canadian diplomats was facilitated by the Ottawa Forum on Israel and Palestine. Read more here.

    On Israeli annexation, Canadian confusion, June 04, 2020, 9:44 AM
  • Donald Johnson wrote:

    Herzog seems to have accepted Harris’s framing.
     
    Anyway, Phil’s headline is a small scale tangential issue. We can criticize Phil’s headline, but it is completely normal and routine on this subject for people to use accusations of antisemitism to shut down any criticism of Israel that goes beyond token harmless acknowledgements that Israel isn’t perfect. We all know how it works. Harris and Herzog are in agreement and their viewpoint has largely dominated discussion of this issue in mainstream venues for decades. It’s why liberals tend to run away from the issue— they are afraid that if they show too much passion or outrage they will be accused of antisemitism.

    On Israeli leader says likening US police killings to Palestinian treatment shows antisemitism, June 04, 2020, 9:14 AM
  • catalan wrote:

    “And so the West Bank gets annexed…and what next?” Only the large settlements and the Jordan valley will get annexed. Probably about 20 percent of the West Bank. What is next is that the a lot of Jews will settle there and in future peace negotiations, Israel will have a stronger claim to these territories and won’t consider yielding them. Basically nothing will change on the ground; the Palestinians will probably end up with about 85 percent of the West Bank and all of Gaza. None of this will happen in our life time so basically status quo remains. The claims of the two sides at this point are so far apart that no negotiation is possible.

    On ‘There is no shortage of blame and criticism to be cast on Palestinian leadership’ — and Ted Deutch casts it for an hour, June 04, 2020, 9:05 AM
  • jon s wrote:

    So because of one half day seminar 8 years ago -jointly hosted by the FBI- George Floyd was murdered. Right…

    On Israeli leader says likening US police killings to Palestinian treatment shows antisemitism, June 04, 2020, 8:56 AM
  • jon s wrote:

    1.The Jews were a majority in Jerusalem by the 1880s.
    .” Bolstered to a large extent by the influx of Zionist immigrants (which began in the 1880s), the Jewish population continued to grow and had become an absolute majority by the late 19th century. Jewish numerical predominance strengthened during the mandate period.”*
    source:
    https://www.britannica.com/place/Jerusalem/People
    (*In my opinion the Britannica may not be entirely correct in attributing Jewish population in growth in 19th century Jerusalem primarily to Zionist immigration.)
     
    2.What do you mean “lived as local Palestinians, sometimes refugees”? Sometimes they were refugees, sometimes not? Some were refugees? local Palestinians were refugees?
     
    3.If “many if not most” of them had to emigrate to Holland or America how could the population increase?
     

    On Britain and Palestine: a question of colonialism, June 04, 2020, 8:49 AM
  • Vera Gottlieb wrote:

    And the Germans also held Hitler in high esteem until it was too late. And so the West Bank gets annexed…and what next?

    On ‘There is no shortage of blame and criticism to be cast on Palestinian leadership’ — and Ted Deutch casts it for an hour, June 04, 2020, 8:40 AM
  • eljay wrote:

    || Jasonius Maximus: Netanyahu has the nerve, the chutzpah, and the desperation to follow through on annexation before the end of the year. … ||
     
    Harrumphs and finger wags notwithstanding, it seems to me that King Bibi and his “Jewish State” project continue to receive from far too many nations the (tacit) blessing to continue committing Zionist evil. If annexation happens, it will undoubtedly be VERY strongly denounced as “unhelpful”…but which countries are going to do a damned thing about it?

    On Israeli annexation, Canadian confusion, June 04, 2020, 8:14 AM
  • jon s wrote:

    This essay totally ignores the British White Papers, especially the 1939 White Paper, as well as the impact of WW2 and the Holocaust, leading to the deterioration in British-Zionist relations and the British-Zionist confrontations of the post war years 1945-48.
     
     
     

    On Britain and Palestine: a question of colonialism, June 04, 2020, 7:03 AM
  • jon s wrote:

    I would recommend:
    Barbara Tuchman: Bible and Sword: England and Palestine from the Bronze Age to Balfour. New York: New York University Press, 1956
    Christopher Sykes: Crossroads to Israel  The World Publishing Company, Cleveland;(1965)
    Tom Segev: One Palestine, Complete: Jews and Arabs Under the British Mandate (2000,

    On Britain and Palestine: a question of colonialism, June 04, 2020, 6:42 AM
  • jon s wrote:

    Fo those more interested in archaeology , two reports on the use of new scientific methods:
    https://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/.premium-mystery-solved-who-really-built-ancient-bridge-to-jerusalem-temple-1.8892518
    https://english.m.tau.ac.il/news/puzzle_scrolls

    On The arms race between Dems and GOP for pro-Israel donors, June 04, 2020, 6:28 AM
  • jon s wrote:

    For those interested in the genetics:
    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-jews-and-arabs-share-genetic-link-to-ancient-canaanites-1.8871073

    On The arms race between Dems and GOP for pro-Israel donors, June 04, 2020, 5:05 AM
  • eljay wrote:

    Trudeau is a vain little peacock who will insincerely spout the usual stuff about respecting and upholding international laws, human rights and equality…and then do what Zionists tell him to do.

    On Israeli annexation, Canadian confusion, June 03, 2020, 8:56 PM
  • Misterioso wrote:

    Like so many politicians in the U.S. and around the world, P.M JustinTrudeau threw principle and international law out the window, chose to be joined at the hip with the Zionist lobby and is now dependent on its campaign funds. As for the Canadian public, poll after poll has shown the majority support the Palestinians.

    On Israeli annexation, Canadian confusion, June 03, 2020, 7:37 PM
  • Jasonius Maximus wrote:

    Trump has emboldened Netanyahu and politicians sympathetic (ie. bought and paid for) to Israel in a way never before seen. Even Canada has been affected.
     
    Netanyahu has the nerve, the chutzpah, and the desperation to follow through on annexation before the end of the year. Especially if Biden unseats Trump in November. He and Israel will never get another clean shot at it, especially with the ability Trump has to deflect and quell any and all opposition to annexation, domestically and abroad.
     
    Netanyahu’s new Trumpian mantra is… “I’m automatically attracted to annexation – I just start taking their land. It’s like a magnet. Just take. I don’t even wait. When you’re Israel, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the @#$!. You can do anything.
     
    We can but pray that Ireland beats out Canada to put a at least some semblance of a check on Netanyahu and Israel’s clear ambitions.

    On Israeli annexation, Canadian confusion, June 03, 2020, 7:26 PM
  • echinococcus wrote:

    The Jack**$$ shooting himself in the foot, again and again. And yet again!
    No one ever questioned the legitimacy of those Palestinians who happen to be Jewish by religion.
     
    In fact, most of these Jewish people (who, unlike in the ignorant assertion by the jack*$$, never made up a majority in J’lem) have been browbeaten, physically beaten and sometimes even murdered for their opposition to Zionism; many if not most had to emigrate to Holland or America.
     
    In short, pre-Zionist Jewish inhabitants did not subvert sovereignty but lived as local Palestinians, sometimes refugees, respectful of the nation they lived among. The very presence of invading Jack***s on Palestinian soil should make them toss and turn in their graves.
     

    On Britain and Palestine: a question of colonialism, June 03, 2020, 7:21 PM
  • Misterioso wrote:

    https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/minnesota-cops-trained-israeli-forces-restraint-techniques
    The Morning Star, Britain, June 1, 2020 
    “OFFICERS from the US police force responsible for the killing of George Floyd received training in restraint techniques & anti-terror tactics from Israeli law-enforcement officers.
    “Mr. Floyd’s death in custody last Monday, the latest in a succession of police killings of African Americans, has sparked continuing protests & rioting in US cities.
    “At least 100 Minnesota police officers attended a 2012 conference hosted by the Israeli consulate in Chicago, the second time such an event had been held.
    “There they learned the violent techniques used by Israeli forces as they terrorise the occupied Palestinian territories under the guise of security operations.
    “The so-called counterterrorism training conference in Minneapolis was jointly hosted by the FBI.
    “Israeli deputy consul Shahar Arieli claimed that the half-day session brought ‘top-notch professionals from the Israeli police’ to share knowledge with their US counterparts.”
    “But in a chilling testimony, a Palestinian rights activist said that when she saw the image of Derek Chauvin kneeling on Mr. Floyd’s neck, she was reminded of the Israeli forces’ policing of the occupied territories.
    “Neta Golan, the co-founder of International Solidarity Movement (ISM) said: ‘When I saw the picture of killer cop Derek Chauvin murdering George Floyd by leaning in on his neck with his knee as he cried for help and other cops watched, I remembered many Israeli soldiers began using this technique of leaning in on our chest and necks when we were protesting in the West Bank in 2006.’
    “’They started twisting & breaking fingers in a particular way around the same time. It was clear they had undergone training for this. They continue to use these tactics…”

    On Israeli leader says likening US police killings to Palestinian treatment shows antisemitism, June 03, 2020, 7:15 PM
  • Stogumber wrote:

    I’ve just read that not only are U.S. police officers trained by Israeli trainers, but also the “knee-to-neck” technique so fatal in the Floyd case has been developed in Israel (where it is quite usual since around 2006) and has from there been diffused into other countries. (Possible other countries trained by Israel would be Bolivia or Brazil.)
    Now, I must warn to use this information because I cannot judge the reliability of the source (a far-left journal in Britain):
    https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/minnesota-cops-trained-israeli-forces-restraint-techniques
    Are there any experts here who can tell if this is true or beyond the edge?

    On We can’t breathe until we’re free! Palestinians stand in solidarity with Black Americans, June 03, 2020, 6:49 PM
  • eljay wrote:

    || jon s: I wonder how many times Misterioso is going to post the same erroneous “information”. … ||
     
    Nowhere near as many times as you’re going to post the same patently false claim that geographic Palestine is the ancient / historic / ancestral / eternal / lost / one true homeland of every person in the world – every citizen of every homeland throughout the world – who has chosen to embrace the religion-based identity of Jewish.
     
     
     

    On The arms race between Dems and GOP for pro-Israel donors, June 03, 2020, 5:35 PM
  • Kay24 wrote:

    So Joe Biden was passionately anti apartheid, and gave a heartfelt speech to the world.
    Isn’t it time Joe Biden focused on Israel’s apartheid policies and insisted Israel ended the occupation and land annexations? Why hesitate here? Apartheid policies should never be tolerated, evenif it is by your good buddies.
     
    https://www.independent.co.uk/us-election-2020/joe-biden-anti-apartheid-senate-reagan-south-africa-video-a9547471.html

    On ‘The light of my heart’ — Eyad al-Halaq’s mother grieves his killing outside Jerusalem school he loved, June 03, 2020, 5:00 PM
  • Misterioso wrote:

    @bcg
     
    Well and truly stated!!
    Ted Deutch is yet another panic stricken, deceitful mouthpiece for “Israel”, a borderless, expansionist entity and thorougly documented serial violator of international humanitarian law, including the UN Charter, The Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the Fourth Geneva Convention, which are binding on all UN members. 
    As an aside and most revealing as to Deutch’s lack of expertise, is that (as noted by Mr. Weiss), the book shelf behind him in the photo above includes a copy of “Six Days of War” (2002) by Michael Oren (a former ambassador to the U.S. for Israel) regarding the 1967 war, which as the documented historical record clearly attests, was started by Israel. In short, Deutch seems to be unaware of the fact that Oren’s “Six Days of War” has long since been debunked and dismissed by real historians as a fraud.
     

    On ‘There is no shortage of blame and criticism to be cast on Palestinian leadership’ — and Ted Deutch casts it for an hour, June 03, 2020, 4:47 PM
  • jon s wrote:

    I wonder how many times Misterioso is going to post the same erroneous “information”. So, once again: immigration to Israel has been increasing and emigration decreasing, as I’ve shown in the statistics I’ve cited in previous comments*. (Sorry, no archive…)
    And no, increasing numbers of Holocaust survivors are NOT emigrating to Germany.
    About as accurate as Josephus referring to Palestinians…
     
    *In fairness, I’ll add that we don’t know what impact the coronavirus crisis will have on demographic trends. My guess at this point would be that 2020 will see a drop in both immigration and emigration. My comment refers to the trends that were evident prior to 2020.

    On The arms race between Dems and GOP for pro-Israel donors, June 03, 2020, 4:19 PM
  • jon s wrote:

    Yes, “Anti-Semitism” is mentioned in Mr. Harris’ question, but Harris is not an “Israeli leader”.

    On Israeli leader says likening US police killings to Palestinian treatment shows antisemitism, June 03, 2020, 3:54 PM
  • eljay wrote:

    Deutch – a Jewish / “Jewish State” supremacist – says the sorts of hateful, immoral and even idiotic things Jewish / “Jewish State” supremacists normally say. Imagine that.

    On ‘There is no shortage of blame and criticism to be cast on Palestinian leadership’ — and Ted Deutch casts it for an hour, June 03, 2020, 3:38 PM
  • bcg wrote:

    “…the Florida congressman repeatedly faulted Palestinian leadership…for not recognizing “that Israel is a Jewish state,” About this nonsense from the Forward:
     
    https://forward.com/opinion/403259/israel-just-recognized-itself-as-a-jewish-state-stop-asking-palestinians/
     
    Palestinian leaders have also pointed out that they have since 1993 recognized Israel as a state, with the declaration that “the PLO [Palestine Liberation Organization] recognizes the right of the State of Israel to exist in peace and security.” This is normally all that is expected in diplomatic relations. Why, they ask, should they be required, or even permitted, to pass judgment on Israel’s own self-definition, indelibly etched from the outset in its own founding documents and in a proposed Basic Law that would make it even more explicit? And why should they be asked to undercut the position of Arab citizens of Israel who, as legitimate actors in Israel’s internal politics, have sought to modify that self-definition by making the country “a state of all its citizens”?
     

    On ‘There is no shortage of blame and criticism to be cast on Palestinian leadership’ — and Ted Deutch casts it for an hour, June 03, 2020, 3:21 PM
  • Misterioso wrote:

    @Jackdaw
     
    Strange that you should use the English translation of an ancient Arabic phrase to accomplish nothing. Then again, ‘the dogs bark,’ is entirely apt to describe fascistic/racist “Israel.”

    On We can’t breathe until we’re free! Palestinians stand in solidarity with Black Americans, June 03, 2020, 1:15 PM
  • Dave Reed wrote:

    Jackdaw, please email me at [email protected] regarding a technical issue with your account.

    On Israeli police killing of Eyad Al-Halaq is ignored by the ‘New York Times’, June 03, 2020, 1:03 PM
  • catalan wrote:

    “As confirmed by recent modern DNA analysis and including their ancestors, the Palestinians have lived continuously between the River and the Sea for about 15,000 years. “ misterioso
    That’s truly incredible, the purity of Palestinian dna is astonishing. I can only say I am very jealous. My dna is a total mess, with Italian, Jewish, and middle eastern clusters. It goes to show that my ancestors did like to bogey though, and with strange women/men. I have also lived in New Mexico for a total of 14 years. So I feel bad for the Palestinians, clearly they are a genetically pure people, much superior the likes of me, and connected to their land basically like plants. Hope it gets better for them, I hear Gaza is only good if you are rich.

    On The arms race between Dems and GOP for pro-Israel donors, June 03, 2020, 12:55 PM
  • Jackdaw wrote:

    No, Tony.
    Again and again, no.
     
    The first Zionists were religious, messianic Jews, who for 800 years, repeatedly attempted or succeeded in making Aliyah. They had made Jerusalem a Jewish majority town, by 1880, when political Zionists began arriving from Europe. Eretz Yisroel was firmly Ottoman during the 19th century.
     
    Yes, Tony.
    Religious Zionists. True believers in the G-d of their forefathers.

    On Britain and Palestine: a question of colonialism, June 03, 2020, 12:53 PM
  • Misterioso wrote:

    @catalan
    As confirmed by recent modern DNA analysis and including their ancestors, the Palestinians have lived continuously between the River and the Sea for about 15,000 years. Despite the well documented brutal dispossession and expulsion of about 1,250,000 of them from their homeland between late 1947 and 1967 by Zionist forces, they now constitute the majority between the River and the Sea. Meanwhile, Jewish imigration is in the tank and emigration is soaring – no surprise!! BTW, ironically, large numbers of young Jews are moving to Germany, especially Berlin, as well as the U.S. and Canada where they can live much better lives. Also and most revealing, increasing numbers of Holocaust survivors are emigrating to Germany where they receive better care than in “Israel.” You will inevitably have to face reality – Zionism and “Israel” are frauds and ever increasing numbers of people around the world, including the U.S., most importantly, youth, are realizing it. The writing is on the wall,

    On The arms race between Dems and GOP for pro-Israel donors, June 03, 2020, 11:05 AM
  • Donald Johnson wrote:

    I am not going to listen to 51 minutes of this, so I will assume Phil is not giving us selective misleading quotes. I doubt he is. Aside from trusting him, it just sounds like the usual exchange between Israel apologists.
     
    So, no, Herzog did not use the word “ antisemitism”, but Harris did and based on what Phil provided, Herzog accepted the premise of Harris’s question about worldwide antisemitism and how the Jewish Agency should fight it and gave the comparison of Israeli brutality and American brutality as an example of an unfair onslaught on Israel.
     
    I think Phil should have used a different title, but it does read like Herzog thinks this “ onslaught” is part of the antisemitism that Harris references.

    On Israeli leader says likening US police killings to Palestinian treatment shows antisemitism, June 03, 2020, 11:05 AM
  • Misterioso wrote:

    @catalan
    As is now common knowledge among enlightened folk, the “collective punishment imposed [on the Gaza Strip by Israel] in clear violation of…international humanitarian law”, was carefully planned by “Israel’s” government in 2004: “‘The significance of the [then proposed] disengagement plan [from the Gaza Strip, implemented in 2005] is the freezing of the peace process,’ Prime Minister Ariel Sharon’s senior adviser Dov Weisglass has told Ha’aretz. ‘And when you freeze that process, you prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state, and you prevent a discussion on the refugees, the borders and Jerusalem. Effectively, this whole package called the Palestinian state, with all that it entails, has been removed indefinitely from our agenda. And all this with authority and permission. All with a [U.S.] presidential blessing [i.e. President George Bush] and the ratification of both houses of Congress.’ Weisglass, who was one of the initiators of the disengagement plan, was speaking in an interview with Ha’aretz for the Friday Magazine. ‘The disengagement is actually formaldehyde,’ he said. ‘It supplies the amount of formaldehyde that is necessary so there will not be a political process with the Palestinians.’ (Top PM Aide: Gaza Plan Aims to Freeze the Peace Process, Ha’aretz, October 6, 2004)

    On The arms race between Dems and GOP for pro-Israel donors, June 03, 2020, 10:23 AM
  • Misterioso wrote:

    @Catalan
    Sigh, more bilge!!

    On The arms race between Dems and GOP for pro-Israel donors, June 03, 2020, 10:19 AM
  • catalan wrote:

    “have them agreed to as such by the international community?” Misterioso
    What is the “international community” and where does it say that it has to agree to the borders of any state? And more importantly, who cares what the “international community” even thinks? Let them agree or disagree, the planes keep flying to and from Ben Gurion airport. If someone was gonna wait for India, Pakistan, China and Russia to agree to anything, well we ain’t got that much time to live. Even better, let them solve Taiwan, Kashmir, Karabakh and the rest, and then call back when it’s all peaceful there.

    On The arms race between Dems and GOP for pro-Israel donors, June 03, 2020, 10:16 AM
  • Misterioso wrote:

    @catalan
     
    As you have repeatedly demonstrated, you live in a Zionist/racist induced fantasy land. Even though the U.S., currently led by the ignorant, not very bright buffoon and Sheldon Adelson bought and paid for puppet, Donald Trump, “has officially recognized [illegally occupied] Jerusalem and the [illegally occupied] Golan as Israeli territory,” it doesn’t make it so. Also, if “Israel” is so “fantastic,” why is it dependent on the $12 million in U.S. taxpayer funded aid it receives every day? “Israel” will prove to be an historical blip. Its foundations are already shaking as Zionism continues to rot within – no surprise!!

    On The arms race between Dems and GOP for pro-Israel donors, June 03, 2020, 10:15 AM
  • Misterioso wrote:

    @catalan
     
    “…There now simply is Israel, a state.” I missed the bulletin. When did “Israel” officially declare its borders and have them agreed to as such by the international community?

    On The arms race between Dems and GOP for pro-Israel donors, June 03, 2020, 9:53 AM
  • Misterioso wrote:

    @Jackdaw
    Sigh. You continue to swing your bat and miss the ball. Keep it up!!

    On Israeli police killing of Eyad Al-Halaq is ignored by the ‘New York Times’, June 03, 2020, 9:44 AM
  • Misterioso wrote:

    @jon s
    Wake up!! The world is growing ever so weary of “Israel,” a serial violator of international human rights law trotting out the bogus charge of “anti-Semitism”as a response to rightful criticism of ongoing, escalating and well documented crimes it commits against the essentially defenseless native Palestinians every day, crimes that “Israel” has taught American police.

    On Israeli leader says likening US police killings to Palestinian treatment shows antisemitism, June 03, 2020, 9:35 AM
  • Kay24 wrote:

    Another heart wrenching story, which we now have become familiar with, on a daily basis. The inhumane treatment and murder of innocent kids, who are unarmed, and pose no threat to the heavily armed and vicious IDF, goes on with impunity. While the world is distracted by a pandemic, and while Trump’s mad rampage is watched by the rest of the world, one of the world’s most disliked nations continue their reign of terror, their bloody occupation, and on the verge of defying all international laws, and annexing lands they have no legal right to (no thanks to Kushner and Trump).

    We will never know, nor feel, the pain that Eyad al-Halaq’s mother suffers through, made worse by the fact that there will never be justice, nor will the killers be held accountable, for this outrageous crime.

    Eyad al-Halaq is yet another statistic that will soon be forgotten in the world.

    Israel always gets away with murder anyway.

    On ‘The light of my heart’ — Eyad al-Halaq’s mother grieves his killing outside Jerusalem school he loved, June 03, 2020, 9:03 AM
  • eljay wrote:

    || jon s: It sure didn’t take long for Israel to be blamed for the murder of George Floyd… ||

    Don’t worry, jon s, it’ll be alright. The vast majority of Zionist groups will hypocritically decry racism, injustice and inequality in the U.S. while continuing staunchly to support and defend Jewish / “Jewish State” supremacism and (war) criminality in geographic Palestine.

    On Israeli leader says likening US police killings to Palestinian treatment shows antisemitism, June 03, 2020, 8:16 AM
  • jon s wrote:

    It sure didn’t take long for Israel to be blamed for the murder of George Floyd…

    On Israeli leader says likening US police killings to Palestinian treatment shows antisemitism, June 03, 2020, 7:22 AM
  • jon s wrote:

    This is what Phil Weiss claims:  
    “Israeli leader says connecting US police killings to Palestinian treatment shows antisemitism” 
    This is the quote from Mr. Herzog:
     
     
    They’re just doing great work. And you hear also what’s going on on the ground, you realize that there is a whole onslaught against Israel with terrible things– I’ve seen even in the last few days people comparing what’s going on in the streets in America to the Israeli challenges and confrontations with the Palestinans. It’s totally different circumstances and totally different story. But it’s become like a political blame game.
     
    Why doesn’t PW provide a quote which mentions Anti-Semitism?

    On Israeli leader says likening US police killings to Palestinian treatment shows antisemitism, June 03, 2020, 7:20 AM
  • brent wrote:

    The case for building coalitions and avoiding political mis-steps in the battle for justice in Palestine.

    On The arms race between Dems and GOP for pro-Israel donors, June 03, 2020, 2:10 AM
  • RoHa wrote:

    But Biden might as well not exist.

    On The arms race between Dems and GOP for pro-Israel donors, June 03, 2020, 12:36 AM
  • RoHa wrote:

    (* The early Zionists look like invaders, and it is generally accepted that invading the territory of an innocent party is usually wrong.)
    (** Zionists like to hint at moral legitimacy for propaganda purposes. For example, they call Zionism a “Jewish national liberation movement”, to cloak themselves in the (dubious) moral acceptability of other national liberation movements.)
     
    And I had to add this as a separate comment. Looks as though there is a length limit.

    On On the racial basis of Zionism, June 03, 2020, 12:33 AM
  • RoHa wrote:

    Looks like you are jumping the gun with all that stuff, Jon s.
     
     
    When I say that Zionists were invaders, I am making a moral claim*.
    When you say that no Jew is an invader in the Jewish historical homeland, it looks as though you are making a moral counter claim** by suggesting that every Jew has a right to at least reside in that territory.
     
     
    But moral principles apply to everyone, not just to Jews. As Oldgeezer points out, simply saying “Jews have these feelings” does not have any moral implications.
     
     
    For this reason, you need to argue for universal principles connected with homelands and historical homelands.
     
     
    You need to start with a sentence of the form “T is the homeland of P if …”
    For example:
    “T is the homeland of P if P’s cat lives in T.”
    “T is the homeland of P if P is a citizen of a state established in T.”
    “T is the homeland of P if P was born in T.”
     
     
    You are the one who is keen on this homeland stuff, so you will have to be the one who completes the “if” clause. The “if” clause may be complex or disjunctive. That is up to you.
     
     
    Likewise for “T is the historical homeland of P if …”
    For example:
    “T is the historical homeland of P if P has memorised twelve of the poems written by a 14thC poet who resided in T.”
    “T is the historical homeland of P if P’s great-great-great-great-great-great-grandmother entertained sailors in the main seaport of T.”
     
     
    Once you have sorted out those concepts, you then need to establish (by moral argument) the moral implications of the concepts.
     
     
    Only then should you start talking about Jews, to show that the moral implications apply to any Jew.
     
     

    On On the racial basis of Zionism, June 03, 2020, 12:32 AM
  • Misterioso wrote:

     
    Zionism’s Gentile Friends
     
    Political Zionists had non-Jewish allies who favoured the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine for religious reasons. These “gentile Zionists” first appeared in 18th century England as an outgrowth of Chiliasm, a belief held by some Christians that Jesus would return and reign for a thousand years following the “restoration” of the Jews to Palestine and their conversion to Christianity. Chiliasm was reinforced by an upsurge in the number of believers in evangelicalism during the 19th century who saw the imminent collapse of the Ottoman Empire as an opportunity for the return of the Jews to the Holy Land. 
     
    The legacy of Chiliasm together with anti-Muslim prejudice and effective Zionist propaganda created the commonly held and absurd belief in Europe and America that God gave Palestine to the Jews. The influence of Chiliasm is found today in the beliefs of many American Christian fundamentalists including the dispensationalists (followers of Armageddon theology) who are fanatical supporters of an expansionist Israel and Revisionist Zionism. (“Britain in Palestine, 1838-1882: The Roots of the Balfour Policy” by Alexander Scholch, J.P.S. Autumn, 1992)
     

    On Britain and Palestine: a question of colonialism, June 02, 2020, 9:03 PM
  • oldgeezer wrote:

    An Israeli investigation is worth….well absolutely nothing when you get right down to it. The apology is for pr and not sincere.

    On Israeli police killing of Eyad Al-Halaq is ignored by the ‘New York Times’, June 02, 2020, 8:34 PM
  • bcg wrote:

    I’m certain the investigation will lead to a severe punishment for those involved (just as it did for Elor Azaria ), and this sort of thing will never happen again in Israelistine.

    On Israeli police killing of Eyad Al-Halaq is ignored by the ‘New York Times’, June 02, 2020, 8:12 PM
  • eljay wrote:

    || catalan: My partial Arab/Persian heritage … ||
     
    Persian? You must be devastated by the “underage abuse” that is “rampant” in your ancient and/or historic homeland of Iran.
     
    || … Which could mean that I have direct lineage to Judea and its fighting people. … ||
     
    Or it could mean that you have a direct lineage to Iran and/or Hamas and its fighting people.
     
    || … As to Gaza, they are the ones at war with Israel according to their leaders. … ||
     
    Sure, and Israel is at war with Gaza according to Zionists. So why do Zionists complain so much about rockets and “terror tunnels” when there’s a war going on?
     
    || … I can’t get distressed about suffering because all of life is basically suffering, for each living thing. It’s kind of the nature of the business. ||
     
    Really? If Jews were being slaughtered you wouldn’t feel distressed? The Holocaust doesn’t cause you any distress because it was all just “the nature of the business”? Jeezus, that seems pretty damned heartless. :-(
     
     

    On The arms race between Dems and GOP for pro-Israel donors, June 02, 2020, 8:02 PM
  • catalan wrote:

    “As an Arab it must cause you some distress to see what the “Jewish State” is doing to your people. “
    My partial Arab/Persian heritage could indeed signify some recent intermingling. Or it could simply mean that at least Sephardi Jews, Persians and Arabs all share some a common ancestry. Which could mean that I have direct lineage to Judea and its fighting people. As to Gaza, they are the ones at war with Israel according to their leaders. When you are at war, there are consequences. I can’t get distressed about suffering because all of life is basically suffering, for each living thing. It’s kind of the nature of the business.

    On The arms race between Dems and GOP for pro-Israel donors, June 02, 2020, 7:51 PM
  • Misterioso wrote:

    https://israelpalestinenews.org/minn-cops-trained-by-israeli-police-who-often-use-knee-on-neck-restraint/?utm_source=If+Americans+Knew+Subscribers&utm_campaign=d94f30890e-IAK_Daily_Updates&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_492062bf3f-d94f30890e-79054121
     
    “Minnesota cops trained by Israeli police, who often use knee-on-neck restraint”
     
    “Over 100 Minnesota law enforcement officers attended a 2012 conference organized by the Israeli consulate in which Israeli police trained them. Israeli forces often use the knee-on-neck restraint on Palestinians. (Meanwhile, Congress is poised to pass a bipartisan $38 billion package to Israel)… Read two reports below:

    “Minnesota cops ‘trained by Israeli forces in restraint techniques’”
    By Jon Collins, reposted from the UK Morning Star newspaper

    EXCERPTS:”Israeli forces broke necks”
    “But in a chilling testimony, a Palestinian rights activist said that when she saw the image of Derek Chauvin kneeling on Mr Floyd’s neck, she was reminded of the Israeli forces’ policing of the occupied territories.

    “Neta Golan, the co-founder of International Solidarity Movement (ISM) said: ‘When I saw the picture of killer cop Derek Chauvin murdering George Floyd by leaning in on his neck with his knee as he cried for help and other cops watched, I remembered noticing when many Israeli soldiers began using this technique of leaning in on our chest and necks when we were protesting in the West Bank sometime in 2006.”
     
    “Officers from the US police force responsible for the killing of George Floyd received training in restraint techniques and anti-terror tactics from Israeli law-enforcement officers.”
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     

    On Israeli leader says likening US police killings to Palestinian treatment shows antisemitism, June 02, 2020, 7:19 PM
  • Misterioso wrote:

    https://www.mintpressnews.com/deadly-exchange-america-racist-policing-training-roots-israel/268007/
    “‘Deadly Exchange’ America’s Racist Policing Has Roots in Israel”
    By Miko Peled, MPN News May 29/20
    EXCERPT:
    “Racism and violence against people of color in the U.S. is nothing new. In fact, the United States, with its claims to be ‘the land of the free,’ has always been a racist, genocidal and violent state. It was founded on genocide of the native people and on the backs African slaves. The United States committed the most egregious war crimes in the history of mankind, including genocide, the use of nuclear weapons, destruction of democracies and support for murderous dictators around the world, and the list goes on and on from the earliest days of the Union to this very day.
    “The state of Israel, which historically speaking is a new creation, was also founded on genocide and racism. For close to one hundred years the Zionist movement which created Israel has been engaged in a brutal campaign to rid Palestine of its indigenous population and give the land to Jewish colonizers. It should, therefore, come as no surprise that good relations exist between the United States and Israel.
    “There are countless areas of life in the U.S. in which Israel and various Zionist organizations influence and interfere. The Jewish Federation, the Anti-Defamation League, and AIPAC are the most commonly recognized but are only three out of countless organizations that operate throughout the fifty states and relentlessly pursue Israeli interests in all facets of American life.”
    “A deadly exchange”
    “As the video clip of a Minnesota police officer slowly and callously choking George Floyd to death went viral, many people, including myself, remembered Palestine. Officer Derek Chauvin, who casually placed his knee on George Floyd’s neck, could have easily been an Israeli soldier or police officer holding down a Palestinian. The way he just sat there, took a knee on Floyd’s neck…”

    On Israeli leader says likening US police killings to Palestinian treatment shows antisemitism, June 02, 2020, 7:14 PM
  • eljay wrote:

    || catalan: “As a New Mexican you must be shocked by the behaviour of your people.” Eljay
    There is no New Mexican people … ||
     
    Are you sure? It seems mighty presumptuous of you – an Arab, Spanish, Bulgarian, Italian and Jewish New Mexican – to speak on behalf of all New Mexicans and deny them peoplehood.
     
    || … Also, it wasn’t me that brought up Dershowitz … ||
     
    I never said you did.
     
    || … there are good Arabs and bad ones, good Jews and bad ones. … ||
     
    I agree. I think all bad Arabs and Jews should be held accountable for their colonialism, (war) crimes and/or supremacism. What do you think?
     
    || … Be that is it may, Israel is the one winning. ||
     
    I agree. And as an Arab that must be devastating to you.
     
     
     

    On The arms race between Dems and GOP for pro-Israel donors, June 02, 2020, 6:39 PM
  • James Canning wrote:

    In the wake of the First World War, Britain would have preferred the mandate for Palestine be taken up by the US. However, the US Senate would not allow Wilson to bring the US into the League of Nations. And, in the event, Wilson’s special advisers (King-Crane Commission) had a jaundiced view of a US military presence in the Middle East.

    On Britain and Palestine: a question of colonialism, June 02, 2020, 5:23 PM
  • James Canning wrote:

    Trump only pretends to be a “white nationalist”, to please elements of his base. Have a look at the membership of his club in Palm Beach.

    On The arms race between Dems and GOP for pro-Israel donors, June 02, 2020, 5:15 PM
  • catalan wrote:

    “As a New Mexican you must be shocked by the behaviour of your people.” Eljay
    There is no New Mexican people, it’s a state. Also, it wasn’t me that brought up Dershowitz to prove that Zionists are tainted by his actions. Indeed, I believe the opposite-there are good Arabs and bad ones, good Jews and bad ones. Be that is it may, Israel is the one winning.

    On The arms race between Dems and GOP for pro-Israel donors, June 02, 2020, 5:13 PM
  • eljay wrote:

    || catalan: … Things are looking fantastic for Israel … Not so for Gaza. ||
     
    I agree. As an Arab it must cause you some distress to see what the “Jewish State” is doing to your people. :-(

    On The arms race between Dems and GOP for pro-Israel donors, June 02, 2020, 3:46 PM
  • Jackdaw wrote:

    No mention here by Jimmy Olsen, that both the IDF and Minister of Knesset, Benny Gantz, had immediately apologized for the killing, and opened an investigation.
     
     

    On Israeli police killing of Eyad Al-Halaq is ignored by the ‘New York Times’, June 02, 2020, 2:35 PM
  • eljay wrote:

    || catalan: … Just two weeks ago an Iranian beheaded his young daughter in her sleep. … ||
     
    Court documents: New Mexico man shot infant, sought to kill child’s mother
     
    New Mexico mom abused her children, boiled puppies to death
     
    Nasty stuff. As a New Mexican you must be shocked by the behaviour of your people.
     

    On The arms race between Dems and GOP for pro-Israel donors, June 02, 2020, 2:27 PM
  • catalan wrote:

    “It is alive and well and according to Zionists it will continue to be alive and well for at least a Thousand Years! (and maybe even forever).” Eljay
    For sure not forever, since life on earth will eventually end. Even a thousand years seems very bold. However it will be around for at least the next fifty years – that’s what investors think anyway as they are lending Israel money for 50 years with minimal interest. Low interest means low risk. Things are looking fantastic for Israel for the next few decades especially now that the US has officially recognized Jerusalem and the Golan as Israeli territory. Not so for Gaza.

    On The arms race between Dems and GOP for pro-Israel donors, June 02, 2020, 2:05 PM
  • eljay wrote:

    eljay: || catalan … As you know underage abuse is rampant in the Islamic world … ||

     

    As an Arab you must be ashamed of what your people are up to.

     
    Oops: You said Islamic, not Arab. As a Zionist you are like an Islamist but since you haven’t actually claimed that identity for yourself (yet) I withdraw the comment.
     

    On The arms race between Dems and GOP for pro-Israel donors, June 02, 2020, 2:05 PM
  • Tony Greenstein wrote:

    It is important to remember that the first Zionists weren’t Jewish. They were Christian. Not just Oliphant, Warren and the PEF and Palmerstone, but Lord Shaftesbury, George Elliot, Napoleon and so on. The idea of a Jewish settler state adjacent to the Suez Canal was very attractive.

    On Britain and Palestine: a question of colonialism, June 02, 2020, 1:55 PM
  • eljay wrote:

    || catalan: Zionism, in it’s essence is something irrelevant, of historical interest. … ||
     
    Incorrect. Zionism in its essence is all about Jewish supremacism in/and as large as possible a religion-supremacist “Jewish State”. It is alive and well and according to Zionists it will continue to be alive and well for at least a Thousand Years! (and maybe even forever).
     
    I’m surprised that as a Zionist you would write off Zionism as “irrelevant”.
     
    || … As you know underage abuse is rampant in the Islamic world … ||
     
    As an Arab you must be ashamed of what your people are up to.
     

    On The arms race between Dems and GOP for pro-Israel donors, June 02, 2020, 1:41 PM
  • catalan wrote:

    “Zionism, at its essence, is all about naked power – even if the Jewish people of the world have to be sacrificed to maintain and expand it.” Genesto
    Zionism, in it’s essence is something irrelevant, of historical interest. There now simply is Israel, a state with a language, army, culture, which can defend itself well. As to your listing of Dershowitz and so on, irrelevant. As you know underage abuse is rampant in the Islamic world (including very much Palestine itself) there are thousands of sources discussing the topic on Afganistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia. Just two weeks ago an Iranian beheaded his young daughter in her sleep. And who is the biggest supporter of Palestine? Iran.

    On The arms race between Dems and GOP for pro-Israel donors, June 02, 2020, 1:31 PM
  • genesto wrote:

    No matter that Trump, Israel’s ‘greatest friend ever’ in the White House is an avowed white nationalist and, at his core, is an anti-Semite. No matter that Alan Dershowitz is a despicable individual who, most recently, was charged with having illegal sex at least 6 times with an underaged prostitute provided by his good friend,Jeff Epstein (this according to the sex slave involved herself). No matter that Bibi Netanyahu is a criminal, in every possible way imaginable, that still manages to hold on to the reins of power in Israel because his racist base so adores him. Zionism, at its essence, is all about naked power – even if the Jewish people of the world have to be sacrificed to maintain and expand it.
     
    However, if you believe that evil eventually outdoes itself, you know Zionism is unsustainable. It’s demise is just a matter of time.
     

    On The arms race between Dems and GOP for pro-Israel donors, June 02, 2020, 12:39 PM
  • Steve France wrote:

    One question: I don’t get the last sentence; it seems it would make better sense if it said “advance injustice.”
    I also note the chronological convergence, circa 1840, between Lord Palmerston’s era and the major spurt of Christian Zionist perversion of Scripture that Darby spawned with his Empire-worshipping doctrine of Dispensationalism.

    On Britain and Palestine: a question of colonialism, June 02, 2020, 12:22 PM
  • catalan wrote:

    “Sheldon Adelson has been open in his desire to get rid of the Palestinians, “
    He is also 87 years old. How long does the man have, realistically?

    On The arms race between Dems and GOP for pro-Israel donors, June 02, 2020, 11:35 AM
  • James Canning wrote:

    Sheldon Adelson has been open in his desire to get rid of the Palestinians, and destroying Jordan is part of the program.

    On The arms race between Dems and GOP for pro-Israel donors, June 02, 2020, 11:14 AM
  • James Canning wrote:

    Jews have provided more national political campaign finance for the Democrats, over the past half-century, than the rest of the American people combined. With Trump openly an eager stooge of Israeli annexationists, Biden is the lesser of the two evils.

    On The arms race between Dems and GOP for pro-Israel donors, June 02, 2020, 11:11 AM
  • Misterioso wrote:

     
    https://al-awda.org/al-awda-statement-of-solidarity-for-black-lives-and-black-struggle/
     
    Al-Awda PRRC statement of solidarity for Black lives and Black struggle” 
     
    (Included is a striking cartoon image by Palestinian cartoonist Mohammed Sabaaneh of an Israeli soldier and an American policeman each “subduing” an arrestee).**
     
    EXCERPTS:
    “Al-Awda, the Palestine Right to Return Coalition, expresses its strongest support for the Black liberation movement and for the popular uprising that is currently confronting police violence, racist structures of mass incarceration, economic injustice and state repression. We recognize that our liberation as Palestinians is bound together with the liberation of Black people and that our movement must stand clearly with the targets of U.S. racism and imperialism, domestically and internationally.”
     
    As indigenous people of Palestine, we have firsthand experience of what it’s like to live under the boot of white/European settler-colonialism, apartheid and racist genocidal violence as it is wielded by Israel’s regime of oppression – with the military funding and unconditional support of the US government – to dispossess us, ethnically cleanse us, and reduce us to lesser humans.
     
    ** Remember, many of the violent tactics used by American police to quell city uprisings have been acquired by studying and learning them in “Israel.”
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     

    On Killing of unarmed, autistic Palestinian in Jerusalem sparks outrage, June 02, 2020, 10:25 AM
  • Misterioso wrote:

    Zionism had other allies whose motivation, though often cloaked in religion, was more earthly: imperialism. One was Lord Palmerston who served as Britain’s foreign secretary (1830-34, 1835-41, 1846-51) and prime minister (1855-58, 1859-65). He saw a strategic advantage in creating a Jewish state in Palestine that would be pro-British and provide a barrier against Arab nationalism as well as Britain’s colonial competitors, Russia and France (i.e. to use the modern term, “a strategic asset”).  
     
    British control of Palestine and the “restoration of the Jews” became a popular cause among many British journalists, politicians and religious leaders, but their aspirations had to be temporarily shelved because Palestine was still under Ottoman rule.                                                                
     

    On Britain and Palestine: a question of colonialism, June 02, 2020, 9:57 AM
  • catalan wrote:

    “His successor would most likely be more militant.” Misterioso
    The Palestinians will choose the best path for them. So far their strategy of maximalist demands, including the partition borders (I.e. evacuation of Beersheba), reparations, return of millions of refugees have not born fruit. The path to boycott companies such as Pepsi, the Gap, and Starbucks clearly also has failed to back up their cause. Ultimately I think they will have to take a deal and probably a much worse one than the Trump plan. My prediction is that Biden will win; however there will be a republican president eventually and he is likely to start where trump finished. The deal is getting worse; but unfortunately the Palestinians are being led to believe in fantasies.

    On The arms race between Dems and GOP for pro-Israel donors, June 02, 2020, 9:54 AM
  • Misterioso wrote:

    “The annexation would render the West Bank into a patchwork of simmering, unstable Bantustans, forever threatening a new intifada. It would further weaken Israel’s support in the Democratic Party and among American youth. It may destabilize Jordan, a country where Palestinians form the majority, and it could strain Israel’s new ties with Sunni Arab states.[https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/06/uae-israel-threat-annex-occupied-west-bank-200601075906128.html]
     
    “It could also end what security cooperation still exists between Israel and the Palestinian Authority. The Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, has declared that with the talk of annexation, he is ‘absolved’ of all the agreements signed with Israel and the United States. And though this is not the first time he mooted a break, his tenure is nearing an end. His successor would most likely be more militant. And if the Palestinian Authority collapses altogether, whether in an eruption of violence or a nonviolent act of mass protest, Israel would be forced to confront the question of how to control a large population lacking the rights of citizens, an unsavory, dangerous and costly task that no Israeli would like to reclaim.”

     

    On The arms race between Dems and GOP for pro-Israel donors, June 02, 2020, 9:44 AM
  • Misterioso wrote:

    Worth noting:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/30/opinion/sunday/west-bank-israel-annex.html
     
    “Annexing the West Bank Is a Brazen Violation of International Law””It would also render the territory into a patchwork of simmering, unstable Palestinian areas, forever threatening a new intifada.”
    New York Times, May 30/20
     
    EXCERPTS:
    “For his next act, after surviving a yearlong political struggle that he needed three national elections and a health crisis to overcome, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel has announced that on July 1 he will start the process to annex Jewish settlements and the Jordan Valley in the West Bank, as he pledged to do in his campaign.
    “Though the settlements have been steadily expanded over many decades, and the Jordan Valley is under effective Israeli military control, there are many reasons actual annexation is a bad idea.
    “The main reason is that the West Bank is regarded by international organizations and most of the world as occupied territory, and the Jewish settlements as illegal under the Geneva Convention. To Israeli nationalists, however, the West Bank is Judea and Samaria, the biblical homeland of the Jews. Israel holds that the Geneva Convention does not apply because there had been no Palestinian state in the West Bank, and because none of the settlers were ‘deported or transferred’ to the territory, in the language of the convention.
    “Still, annexation would be condemned as illegal by the United Nations and all major states except for the United States. Previous administrations generally avoided taking a position on the legality of the settlements, preferring to call them ‘an obstacle to peace’ and maintaining that ownership should be resolved in the context of a peace settlement.”
    “But while the Trump administration would give annexation its blessing, Joe Biden has declared that he would reverse that position if elected president. (cont’d)
     
     

    On The arms race between Dems and GOP for pro-Israel donors, June 02, 2020, 9:37 AM
  • echinococcus wrote:

    In fact, the guy is shooting down his own (and anyway moroni) argument.
    If they were the one single candidate to nationhood by his tinhorn-Bismarckian criteria, the Zio would still be inadmissible: they don’t have their “own culture”, their “own language” or their “own religion”. Which do they choose? Birobidjan or Falasha, Yiddish or Old Castilian, Judaism or Kibbitz atheism?
     
    This fake nation-state cult, anyway, is nothing but an undisguised announcement that it will be done unto Palestinians as was done to the catarrhous oxy-speakers. I feigned to believe that MW censorship applied to threats of genocide, too. It doesn’t.
     
     
     

    On Please don’t call us ‘Arab’, June 02, 2020, 8:40 AM
  • jon s wrote:

    Misterioso’s comment is misleading.
    Josephus routinely refers to the country as “Judea”. In “The Jewish War” there are 74 references (I counted) to Judea . He mentions “Palaestina” once , in reference to to the southern coastal plain, land of the Philistines. In “Antiquities of the Jews”      ” Palaestina ” appears 11 times and in “Against Appion” 3 times, all in the same context.
    “Palestine” does not appear in the Bible, or the Mishnah or in the Christian New Testament. To the best of my knowledge “Palestini” appears in a Jewish source , “Midrash Bereisheet Rabbah” (Midrash on Genesis) , written between the 4th and 6th century CE.
    As to the Emperor Hadrian , the point is that the province had been named “Judea”, until Hadrian erased that name, as part of the anti Jewish policies he pursued in the wake of the Bar Kokhva revolt.

    On Please don’t call us ‘Arab’, June 02, 2020, 1:53 AM