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Join the dots.

At least tell us who wrote it and why it’s worth reading. You’re picking up brent’s bad habits.

More stationary cameras could help tell the story and provide some protection.

https://theelders.org/news/palestine-must-not-disappear

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DbMC8hzoXYb/

Check the above links out

The “Elders” head members Mary Robinson and Helen Clark visit West Bank and speak out in very strong words about the war crimes being committed by the Israeli government military and illegal Israeli land thieves/ settlers.

Heard Robinson on BBC this morning. Looking for the incredible interview.

https://www.facebook.com/theElders/videos/following-their-visit-to-israel-and-the-west-bank-mary-robinson-and-helen-clark-/1689117672645130/

Mary Robinson’s “a policy in Israel now to get rid of Palestinians”

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DbMC8hzoXYb/

““The aggressive way it’s done, the hate speech that supports it, it’s no longer a matter of individual settlers.

It’s a policy now. It’s a policy of getting rid of Palestinians from villages…literally obliterating the West Bank over time.”

Mary Robinson, Former Irish President & Former UN High Commissioner for Human Rights

Mary Robinson visited the occupied West Bank last week. Today, she joined me on the show to discuss what she witnessed firsthand.

The conversation comes at a pivotal moment, as the Israeli military begins preparations for a large-scale operation in the occupied West Bank following clashes that left four Palestinians and two Israelis dead.”

Hey, ‘Jon s” (if that is your real name, which I very much doubt) if I draw a pretty picture of my neighbor’s property, does it become mine?

You should do that (I’m sure any trophy shop can do it for you) and refer to it every day upon rising, and several times before posting.

It’s a terrible fate, to be made imperfect by God, and cutting a piece off our genitals makes us perfect.
When other cultures ‘circumcise’ it is mutilation, but when we circumcise, it’s a divine command. You bet.

Tom, Thank you for the explanation.

Re: “genital mutilation” : More Anti-Jewish propaganda from Hostage.

No, it’s just a statement of actual fact. Humanistic Judaism, Reform Judaism, Jewish Renewal, and Reconstructionist Judaism don’t require converts, newborns or adult members to be circumcised. I was pointing out that natural persons of “Jewish” and “Palestinian” descent include millions of us non-members who are “genetically related” to the same common Canaanite ancestors.

B’nai B’rith does not prohibit non-believers, like Chaim Weizmann, or uncircumcised members from Humanistic Judaism, Reform Judaism, Jewish Renewal, and Reconstructionist Judaism from claiming to be Sons of Abraham’s Covenant and presiding over Lodges. Is that Anti-Jewish propaganda?

When you wear a paramilitary uniform and provide direct support on a military base to the IDF, you assist it invade other states, commit belligerent occupations, blockade, and starve civilians in violation of the UN Charter and Rome Statute, and violate preliminary measures during a genocide. So you also become an accessory to a joint criminal enterprise.

“Israeli settlers frequently kill Palestinians with virtual impunity,”

My favorite Stalin quote: when one person dies it’s a tragedy but when a million people die it’s a statistic.

But he missed another principle of mass murder: if you kill a thousand people in a day it’s an outrage but if you kill a thousand people over a year no one notices.

On Oct 7 Hamas murdered roughly 1,200 Israelis; 300 were soldiers and an unknown number of people were killed by friendly fire. In the last year over 1,000 Palestinians have been murdered by the IDF in the West Bank alone, but since it wasn’t done in a day no one notices.

HI Jon, please understand that the book at issue here is not one guided by pretty maps of the Holy Land, so your comments are simply on a different subject.
But to answer your question, I do not dwell on the Abraham bar Jakob map you mention because its significance is minor (I do mention it in passing). Instead, regarding printed maps of the region in Hebrew, I focus on the vastly more interesting 1621 map of Jacob ben Abraham Zaddiq, and as regards original Jewish mapmakers (the above are derivative), the monumental 1375 ‘Catalan Atlas’ attributed to Abraham Cresques.

See this essay:
https://forward.com/opinion/841127/why-i-stand-with-israel/?utm_source=Mailchimp&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=afternoonedition_20260729&utm_source=The+Forward+Association&utm_campaign=500064016e-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2025_07_23_02_11_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_-8233cb7494-273174931

Another member of the Hathaleen clan murdered in horrific circumstances yesterday. Odeh Hathaleen, a peace activist, had helped in the making of the Oscar-winning documentary, No Other Land.

https://www.972mag.com/awdah-hathaleen-slain-israeli-settler/

Right, a civilian volunteer, not a soldier. To his credit.

This map, by Abraham bar Jacob the Proselyte (1669-1730) is particularly beautiful and impressive. I don’t know whether it’s mentioned in Tom Suarez’ book:
https://artsandculture.google.com/asset/forty-years-of-travel-in-the-desert-holy-land-map-1695-abraham-bar-jakob-the-proselyte/AQFesxcxicbckQ?hl=en

Community? What community? Once we move away from the nationalist, identitarian politics espoused in this article and look at the situation from a Marxist perspective, we see how pointless this demand for ‘Palestinian political power’ is. Palestinians, just like every other national group, are sharply divided on class lines. There are wealthy Palestinians (if nothing like so wealthy as Jewish billionaires), middle class and working class Palestinians. In material terms they have far more in common with Jews, Americans and other nationals of the same social class than they have with poorer or richer Palestinians. That is why most socialists don’t call for nationalist ‘solutions’ in the Middle East any more than in the West.

The Jewish working class, which exists almost entirely in Israel – a fact that itself destroys the case for Israel’s existence – is brutally exploited by the ruling class just as Palestinians are, which means that solutions lie not in Palestinian workers achieving some kind of victory over their Jewish comrades but in solidarity. The working classes of all nationalities, religions, skin colours, genders et al have far more in common due to their social class than divides them.

Kathleen, that article was a clinical piece about sadism. It had nothing to say about Israel or Zionism.

I consider it an honor to be called a prick by the likes of Hostage–or you.

How much indignation do you really feel about the sexual torture of Palestinians? It’s hard for me to imagine that you’re capable of any sort of moral conviction at all.

“Your idiotic and judgmental self-righteousness combined with your insufferable superiority is bound to meet with success.” I welcome this outburst, Mooser. I have a good mind to laminate it and hang it on the wall of my living room.

“genital mutilation” : More Anti-Jewish propaganda from Hostage.

“Is that your “proof”? A “source” claims to have heard from an IAI official who claimed to have heard transmissions…
We do know that at a relatively late stage in the course of the tragic incident, IDF headquarters was still convinced that it was an enemy ship.”

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“Israeli messages intercepted on June 8, 1967, leave no doubt that sinking the USS Liberty was the mission assigned to the attacking Israeli warplanes and torpedo boats as the Six-Day War raged in the Middle East. Here, for example, is the text of an intercepted Israeli conversation, just one of many pieces of evidence that the Israeli attack was not a mistake but likely a willful attempt to prevent the U.S. government from eavesdropping on Israel’s military operations.

Israeli pilot to ground control: “This is an American ship. Do you still want us to attack?”

Ground control: “Yes, follow orders.”

Israeli pilot: “But, sir, it’s an American ship I can see the flag!”

Ground control: “Never mind; hit it!”

The Israelis might have been able to report “mission accomplished, ship sunk, all crew killed” save for the bravery and surefootedness of 23-year-old Navy seaman Terry Halbardier, whose actions spelled the difference between the murder of 34 of the crew and the intended massacre of all 294.

Halbardier skated across the Liberty’s slippery deck while it was being strafed in order to connect a communications cable and enable the Liberty to send out an SOS. The Israelis intercepted that message and, out of fear of how the U.S. Sixth Fleet would respond, immediately broke off the attack, returned to their bases, and sent an “oops” message to Washington confessing to their unfortunate “mistake.”

As things turned out, the Israelis didn’t need to be so concerned. When President Lyndon Johnson learned that the USS America and USS Saratoga had launched warplanes to do battle with the forces attacking the Liberty, he told Defense Secretary Robert McNamara to call Sixth Fleet Carrier Division Commander Rear Admiral Lawrence Geis and tell him to order the warplanes to return immediately to their carriers.”

https://consortiumnews.com/2015/07/04/still-waiting-for-uss-libertys-truth/

He served as an IDF volunteer servicing trucks and equipment for the IDF.

Re: I still have an account here so that I can continue to debunk your lies and Anti-Jewish propaganda.

I’ve still not heard you debunk anything. Zionist histrionics, war propaganda, and xenophobia are not pro-Jewish.

Re: are you implying that you want the MW editors to ban me , so that you won’t have to deal with the truth.

I didn’t publish their rules. It is very obvious that Anti-Zionists in Germany, the UK, and France have been arrested, prosecuted, and convicted for “apologizing for terrorism”. See the conviction of Olivia Zemor and tell me what element of that offense doesn’t apply to the instances I’ve brought to your attention in writing? Once the ICJ explained that no State can employ self-defense during a belligerent occupation, why was Michael Oren given a public forum for hate speech (True Threats) and claiming an inherent right of self-defense to bulldoze homes as collective punishment, or illegally blockade and starve children in Gaza? Why were US student protestors expelled, arrested, and convicted?

You don’t seem too worried about dealing with the truth in the USS Liberty case.

The Common Articles of all four Geneva Conventions prohibited attacking persons who are out of the fight and requirered combatants to rescue the sick, wounded, and those shipwrecked, who have taken to lifeboats – a universal international sign of surrender. You don’t machine gun lifeboats by accident or because you somehow forgot the black letter prohibition against ever ordering no quarter to be given (Sir, it’s a US ship! – Follow orders. Hit it again).

Re: an unhinged minority of “Jewish allies” who aggressively look through Palestine-related content, including the Labour Party, trying to find anti-Semitism.

Many people who don’t accept genital mutilation, the Exodus, fiery chariots, or miraculous loaves and fishes, nonetheless include natural persons of “Jewish” and “Palestinian” descent who are “genetically related” to common Canaanite ancestors according to Israeli and American teams of anthropologists, historians, and geneticists. Even people who believed in the story of Abraham, like the 1st Century Judean historian Josephus, taught that Melchezedek was a Canaanite Priest-King of El Elyon the Most High God. Josephus was reportedly born and raised in Jerusalem and was a Priest who served in the Jerusalem Temple. He and ancient Christians said Zion was located on the western mount, not the eastern one in Jerusalem. In the UK there a law firms sending cease and desist letters to encylopedia companies complaining that “Palestine” must not be used in labels of maps because it is not ancient. In fact, 21st century archeologists, linguists, and geneticists have found two groups of peoples descended from Ham mentioned in the Jewish Septuagint: Canaanites members of the 7 Nations – such as the children of Heth, Jebusites, Amorites, Hamathites, etc. (Φυλιστιειμ, Philistiim) and non-Canaanite Storm God co-religionists, the Neo-Hittites (Cushites). Both groups had numerous city-state Kingdoms of Palistin or derivatives in Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Judea, and Jordan. The other group were the Philistine colonists (allophiloi, foreigners or strangers) from Crete, Sardinia, and Iberia. They had been completely assimilated by the Canaanites of Gaza by the 10th century BCE according to 2019 DNA studies. So there were Kingdoms called Palistin discovered from Aleppo to Hebron, and across the Orontes River Valley down to Baalbek formed by Genesis Chapter 10 ethnic groups living south of Haran before and after Abraham arrived in Canaan.

That makes supremacist forms of modern political “Zionism” a recent, 19th century belief. Since many ethnic Jews and Palestinians do not accept its precepts, it is a prohibited form of religious and ethnic discrimination here in the USA. Rabbi Elmer Berger was assured by the US State Department in writing that neither our domestic law nor Israeli claims regarding “the Jewish people concept” were accepted by our government as valid international law either.

“The Holy Land”? What the hell is that?

Man, you are flailing. I just checked the maps out. What a bunch of baloney.

“I notice that you haven’t offered a direct denial.” ‘jrg’

I don’t need to deny anything for you. Everybody who knows me says I’m the sweetest guy they know. A good host and conversationalist, and a real gentleman to boot. Small animals and birds often nest in my antlers.

(Okay, okay, except during the seasonal rut. But that was much more of a problem, to be honest, when I was younger.)

BTW, what the f-ck on earth makes you think I owe you any explanations? And if I give in once, next you’ll be asking me to approve of prison-rape and genocide.

I think you should stick to your program of writing to the editors and getting me banned. (I’ll join the likes of Richard Witty)
Your idiotic and judgmental self-righteousness combined with your insufferable superiority is bound to meet with success.

RobertB, the original comment , from commenter CT , referred to Mr. Emanuel as “a former IDF soldier”.
He was never an IDF soldier. He volunteered as a civiliuan.

Further reading: the June 4 2026 edition of Ha’aretz has a story by Adam Raz re new information on the 67 Naksa. This article is available at the Akevot website:

As Israelis are beginning to reckon with the extent of the atrocities committed by the IDF in the War of Independence, it is time to revisit another forgotten dark chapter: the Six-Day War. An investigation…. “At first I wasn’t willing to execute Arabs who weren’t resisting,” one soldier said. “Then we came to the conclusion that we had to kill. We went through the process of ceasing to see them as human beings.” A second soldier explained that in Gaza, “human lives didn’t matter. You could kill, there was no law. No one would say a word to you, but it’s not a good feeling. It mainly kills your hu manity.” A third soldier recounted “punitive expeditions we would carry out in the minority villages in the Strip, not once or twice. We caught guys, lined them up and eliminated them. In retrospect, it looks like murder.” “We would roam through refugee camps in Gaza and carry out purges,” a fourth soldier testified. “Every man we saw was a combatant, that’s clear. No way to prove it. Maybe prisoners or civilians were the ones killed. Every soldier who was there created a ‘con centration camp,’ and they didn’t hesitate to kill people who caused a slight disturbance.” …

2026-06-05-Adam-Raz-The-1967-Nakba-Haaretz-Eng.pdf

Further reading:

Hundreds of former defense officials warn Trump settler violence ‘endangers Israeli security, US interests’….Several hundred former top officials in the Israeli military, police, Shin Bet and Mossad have appealed to US President Donald Trump to pressure Jerusalem to crack down on burgeoning settler violence in the West Bank….Trump is set to meet with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu at the White House tomorrow…In a letter to Trump and other top administration officials, the group Commanders for Israel’s Security is warning of the potential for major escalation “due to the rise of Jewish terror, coupled with the weakening of the Palestinian Authority.”

Hundreds of former defense officials warn Trump settler violence ‘endangers Israeli security, US interests’ | The Times of Israel

“It is no secret that certain members of our current government orchestrate much of the chaos, including by shielding their followers – who are armed and driven by messianic impulses – from the law and its enforcement.”

Ex-IDF generals appeal to Trump, warn of ‘calamity’ if PM doesn’t curb settler violence | The Times of Israel

Here are some more maps from the National Library in Jerusalem:

https://artsandculture.google.com/story/maps-of-the-holy-land-and-jerusalem-the-national-library-of-israel/CQWhlND17RzrLQ?hl=en

I still have an account here so that I can continue to debunk your lies and Anti-Jewish propaganda.
Or are you implying that you want the MW editors to ban me , so that you won’t have to deal with the truth.

Is that your “proof”? A “source” claims to have heard from an IAI official who claimed to have heard transmissions…
We do know that at a relatively late stage in the course of the tragic incident, IDF headquarters was still convinced that it was an enemy ship.
I recommend . once again, that you read Dr. Michal Oren’s essay , which I linked to, above. Even though  I realize that my recommendation is probably futile.

Heartwarming.

Palestinian citizens don’t seem to be leaving.

Olmert was not advocating one state, rather saying what was likely to happen if Palestinians were to give up on independence in two and moved toward equality in one. Israel would be left without the threat defense.

Olmert would likely advocate independence with two.

Accelerate in short run, decelerate longer term as world joined in.

Like SA, the support would be widespread, and bolstered by Jews.

What do you think would be lost from campaigning for equality?

“He served as an Israel Defense Forces volunteer not once, but twice.”

“There’s no doubt that the attack was a mistake, a screw-up. There are details of the micalculations , errors and sheer bad luck which led to the tragedy. Also the little matter of motive. Israeli leaders, deciding to launch an attack , in the midst of an intense , 3-front war, on an American ship, would have had to be not only evil but absolutely insane.”

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The deliberate attack on the USS Liberty Ship by the Israeli fighter jets and torpedo boats was no accident, no mistake, no error, and no “bad luck“. You can keep repeating the same deceptive propaganda till the cows come home.

Here is the proof “declassified document”, link below, that your evil Israeli leaders/IDF had positive ID on the USS Liberty:

 Declassified document indicating Israel had positive ID on the USS Liberty 
Department of Defense – Originally dated 9 June 1967, the day after the attack. PDF

https://ifamericansknew.org/download/DAO-to-White_House-101000Z_Jun_67-SECRET-Liberty_IDd_pre-attack.pdf

Sadism on display…..by Israeli leaders and the IDF. Horrifying

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10654167/

“Congratulations! Zionism is more than worthy of grotesque mockery. “

Boom!

“Mooser always struck me as a humanitarian who cared about others and merely employs sarcasm and satire to criticize societal flaws and Zionist institutions to provoke change for the better.”

Bingo!

Brent pretending that Palestinians have not already “led” campaigns for equality and independence. Purposely misleading. Creepy, crawly.

Twisted way to blame victims.

Repeat yourself all you want. Why do you still have an account here? Machine gunning lifeboats and murdering survivors is a deliberate war crime, not a “mistake”. You are still granting yourself the right to deny, downplay, and trivialize crimes listed in the Rome Statute, Nuremberg Charter, and the Versailles Peace Conference Commission on Responsibility for War Crimes.

You can’t invent blatantly criminal rules of engagement that permit your armed forces to attack unidentified vessels in international waters because they are going faster than 20 knots and then claim that is just a “mistake”. That’s especially prohibited when you destroy vessels you have never actually seen traveling that fast as a result of a war of aggression that your armed forces actually initiated and then lie about the damning evidence – even when your own press reports copies of recordings and Israeli memos exist in your own state archives. Our Under Secretary of State for UN Affairs Rusk recorded that your terrorist militias were guilty of the crime of aggression after the Deir Yassin massacre and were pursuing illegal territorial aggrandizement, while pretending to be the victims. They did it again in 1967 and he demanded those responsible be punished. Stop lying and claiming that our official Clark Clifford never investigated that fact or that Israel ever complied with Rusk’s official written demand for prosecutions. Stop pretending Secretary of State Rusk and your own Legal Consul Meron never advised the Government of Israel that building civilian settlements and disguising them as Nahal bases was a war crime, for which no statutory limitations apply. The ICJ has confirmed the criminality of that “regime” in 2004 and again in 2024. It’s time MW stop posting Orwellian comments that report deliberare acts of murder were just a simple mistake, when the pretext for the acts themselves required multiple war crimes.

Brent, what do you think would happen if Palestinians in their real experienced homeland campaigned for equal right, also known as a one-state solution, or what Space Jews call the destruction of the Not-for-Nonjews-state? Rember that up to 80% of Space Jews support their ethnic cleansing.

1.) Genocide, ethnic cleansing, and/or disenfranchisement will accelerate.
2.) Genocide, ethnic cleansing, and/or disenfranchisement will decelerate

I noticed the same from you when Hostage linked a song to you with “p***k” in the title. So, what’s your point?

jon s: “Indeed, we’ve been over this before, which is why I wanted to avoid repeating myself.”

Sure, omitt the part that you’re claims were countered and you chickened out of the discussion every time. Which is hapening right know, again. Despite your evasion into this meta discussion.

You ignore what the Liberty was doing – listening to military radio traffic. Plenty of motivation there for Israel to attack it.

Indeed, we’ve been over this before, which is why I wanted to avoid repeating myself.
There’s no doubt that the attack was a mistake, a screw-up. There are details of the micalculations , errors and sheer bad luck which led to the tragedy. Also the little matter of motive. Israeli leaders, deciding to launch an attack , in the midst of an intense , 3-front war, on an American ship, would have had to be not only evil but absolutely insane.

RobertB, Thanks for the info. I didn’t know that Rahm Emanuel volunteered twice. To his credit.
I mentioned the Jews from abroad because of the wider context. In times of crisis and war many Jews from abroad have volunteered to lend a hand over here. Think of Leonard Cohen in the Yom Kippur War.

• The denial of equal legal protection and the discriminatory enforcement of the law on the basis of race or ethnicity.
• The treatment of a racialised minority primarily as a security threat rather than as equal citizens.
• The weakening or dismantling of the minority’s political and civil society organisations.

It happened not only during SA Apartheid my closest living Holocaust Surivor told me.

I notice that you haven’t offered a direct denial.

The point that we shouldn’t bother to refute some accusations is well taken. It doesn’t matter that the name Palestine is ancient, has been been attached to that land for millennia.
Just as the old canard that the Arabs “weren’t making proper use of the land” is irrelevant. You’re not allowed to steal something because they owner isn’t making proper use of it.

Thanks for bringing this book to our attention. Looks fascinating, and beautiful. I’ve forwarded this to a friend who is a professional map-maker. (Cartographer?) He draws maps for books that need them, history and fantasy.

Hint: Olmert has always explicitly stated that Palestine must be demilitarized and subject to control by the IDF or Israel’s Arab allies. He was saying “the end of the Jewish democratic state” (the end of apartheid) would be bad for the Jews, because Palestinians would demand equal rights between the river and the sea, freedom of movement, residency, and the right to vote. He never had any intention of adopting a one state solution. He was always desperate to prevent that.

He was only pursuing a non-self-governing Jewish sphere of influence named Palestine. Israel would still control banking, communications spectrum, prohibit arms purchases, control water, natural resources, and require multinational actors to control any Palestinian exclusive exercise of jurisdiction.

It would only be somewhat better than the current Netanyahu and Katz scheme to create a Bantustan in the Rafah district. Their previous preference would require international control for at least 100 years and a three square mile man-made island in the sea with an airport and sea port to control Palestinian customs. I imagine it would also have a continency plan with a draw bridge and drain plug, to let Gazans sink or swim for freedom anywhere else on a bar of Lifebuoy soap. YMMV

The damage control/propaganda attempts for his beloved Apartheid Israel just keeps crumbling in front of MW readers/commenter’s eyes.

Off this particular topic, but re Israel’s persistent murderous behavior: recently Adam Raz, an Israeli historian with the Akevot Institute, has unearthed new documents relating to the 1967 expulsion of 200,000 – 300,000 Palestinian civilians. Anyone have a subscription to Ha’aretz?

‘We Were Ordered to Kill’: The 1967 Nakba That Israelis Don’t Know About – Israel Security

Unpublished testimonies from soldiers who fought in the Six-Day War expose a stark gap between Israel’s collective memory and what actually happened in 1967. Newly uncovered documents indicate that 300,000 Arabs were expelled or displaced from the West Bank, Gaza and the Golan Heights amid violence, looting and destruction | An investigation

“anti-Zionism vs. Anti-Semitism” indicating that he views the movement as intrinsically anti-Jewish by default. “

It doesn’t come across that way to me. I am not very familiar with the guy— I might start reading him on mooser’s recommendation.

Re Israel’s persistent murderous behavior:

What’s the statute of limitations on war crimes? IDF soldiers were deliberately shooting civilians in the 1967 war.

“Unpublished testimonies from soldiers who fought in the Six-Day War expose a stark gap between Israel’s collective memory and what actually happened in 1967. Newly uncovered documents indicate that 300,000 Arabs were expelled or displaced from the West Bank, Gaza and the Golan Heights amid violence, looting and destruction”

‘We Were Ordered to Kill’: The 1967 Nakba That Israelis Don’t Know About – Israel Security

Gaza is not an aberration – Israel planned this genocide decades ago | Middle East Eye

When Kamala Harris lost to Trump in 2024, I was sceptical of claims that her stance on Palestine cost her the election. At the time, of course, disgruntled Dems blamed the Palestinians for not voting for her – ignoring the contempt for them shown by Harris and the Dem leadership. My scepticism was because there did not appear to be enough votes lost to make a decisive difference to the result. However, lately, I do get the impression that people are starting to realise that those votes did count, and that unthinking support for Israel is now alienating more voters than it attracts. That’s tectonic.

Took Prof Sachs several decades to face the facts on the ground in the Palestine Israel conflict. He faced the facts and digested them.

Morning Joe has not had him on for years. They used to have him on regularly. No longer.

Listen up to someone who has had his opinions about Israel and the conflict evolve.

Sachs no longer plays softball with his words.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kWj3dmzv7Y

Prof Sachs knocks the truth out of the park….home run!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kWj3dmzv7Y

Prof Sachs knocks the truth out of the park. Please listen to a wise individual!! Saying what many of us have been saying for years about Israel’s persistent murderous behavior.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kWj3dmzv7Y

AI Overview
Former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has historically warned that if the two-state solution fails, Israel will face a South African-style civil rights struggle for equal voting rights, which he argues would spell the end of the Jewish democratic state.

Seemed he had a moral compass on many issues. However, on the Palestine/Israel issue took him a long time to look and integrate the bloody facts on the ground. Took him quite some time. Better late than never. Now he is ripping it up for the good with his evolved moral compass.

Any alleged religious or spiritual book that elevates one group over another is complete and utter hooey in my book. Utter bullshit!

FYI, you are describing entering yourself into foreign service as a privateer, with permission of the Government of Israel. You volunteer to work on an IDF base wearing an issued Sar’el uniform, have to indemnify the State of Israel in writing against lawsuits (in case they get you killed or legally captured and classified as a POW), have to show proof of your own medical insurance, are required to follow IDF superior orders, are prohibited to mention politics or religion, can’t visit the Pyramids in Egypt or Petra in Jordan, and have to attend daily briefings.

He never worked for the USA’s armed forces or the US government for free (even when we actually did go to war in the Gulf). So why shouldn’t we vote for someone else who loves our own country instead? I expect only a small minority in Israel will listen to his advice because he took a busman’s holiday and did automotive brake jobs there once a long time ago.

jon s: “The Liberty incident was investigated thoroughly, it was a tragic mistake.”

You allready claimed that. Then you were presented with counter arguments. And then you chickened out of the discussion. You seem to be stuck in a propaganda loop. A kind of Zionist autism.

Oh, they see themselves as “Space Jews“.

Sure, if what Eshman says happens in 5 million or 5 billion years. ;)

Jeffrey Nails It

“Wake up people”

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xfv5cFkVrhY

AI Overview? AI cannot think. It looks up the web’s indexes (e.g. Google) and produces a brief summary. OK perhaps if you want to know which dishwasher to buy; totally useless for any topic that involves morality. In the example you give, why does the answer refer blandly to a “Jewish democratic state” when that is one of the most contentious areas in any debate on Israel-Palestine?

Tony Greenstein’s takes are terrible. Aside from republishing completely fabricated “anti-Semitism” statistics about left-wing publications like Counter-Punch, TG is part of an unhinged minority of “Jewish allies” who aggressively look through Palestine-related content, including the Labour Party, trying to find anti-Semitism. Indeed, his blog is titled “azvsas,” or “anti-Zionism vs. Anti-Semitism” indicating that he views the movement as intrinsically anti-Jewish by default. Even TG’s takes “defending” Corbyn largely validated the witch-hunt against him as an expression of legitimate concern about anti-Semitism while insisting that Corbyn himself is not an anti-Semite.

The last I remember him weighing in on something written by Tom Suarez, it was here on MondoWeiss where TG ridiculously suggested, contra Tom, that other “anti-Semitism” definitions designed to blur the line and promote repression were a nice alternative to even worse such definitions. So TG’s efforts to validate anti-Semitism witch-hunting against the Palestine movement is not even limited to outside of MondoWeiss, he has even done it here.

I’m glad his contribution here is limited to reviewing a book by a superior source.

None of this is to defend how the UK is treating him, obviously that is indefensible.

Mooser, Your question stunned me. I search my mind for what I have written that led you to think I’m indifferent to the well-being of Palestinians or Jews.

Feel free to question me if you suspect otherwise.

For me the issue is taking advantage of current opportunities…. political justice.

mindless

AI Overview

Former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has historically warned that if the two-state solution fails, Israel will face a South African-style civil rights struggle for equal voting rights, which he argues would spell the end of the Jewish democratic state.

I’ve explained the difference to Brent on several occasions. By way of analogy: During the big cattle drive, there was a major difference between the school boys who were “bad cowboys” because they couldn’t rope or ride worth a damn and Bruce Dern’s character Asa “Long Hair” Watts. The latter and his gang of men weren’t actually applying for the job instead when Watts warned John Wayne’s character Wes Anderson he’d never make it to the end of the trail with school boys. Watts always planned on bushwhacking Anderson. Dern’s character could rope and ride, but preferred to commit murder, rustle cattle, rob banks, or hold-up stage coaches and trains instead of doing an honest work for a living.

The Hind Rajab Foundation reminded everyone that Olmert is a cold-blooded murderer. He was the Prime Minister and Ehud Barak served as his Israeli Defense Minister during Operation Cast Lead. They didn’t “used to be” accused of responsibility for the war crimes outlined in the UN Goldstone Report, they still do stand accused. They never have stood trial or been acquitted. Brent keeps forgetting that important difference.

Clarity of language is not a strength for brent.

I didn’t know Sachs at Harvard, but I had friends who knew him well. He’s always been idealistic, and sometimes a little naive. I think time and experience have taught him lessons about the world that are making him wiser today.
I like the fact that he has always had a moral compass.

“Please rephrase your question.” ‘brent’

Okay!
How much pleasure do you take in the sexual torture of Palestinians?

“I recommend Tony Greenstein’s blog.”

I recommend Greenstein’s blog, and a day or so later he’s on Mondoweiss with a full length article. Man, do I pull a lot of weight around here, or what?

“Why is it that we do not hear more people talk about the understandable desire to protect Israel based on originally designed boundaries?”

Especially since those borders were limned by the Torah, and are holy, and beyond human interference.

” Is that what Americans want to replicate in our country?”

C’mon now ‘SPS1946’. You know there’s only one question which matters.

Gosh, I wonder what the IDF has to teach the American military? How to attack an allies ship without warning, killing many of the sailors.
And maybe the IDF can teach America more about sexual torture and rape. That should make us winners in any war.

“often disempower themselves by responding to Israel’s propaganda on its own terms.”

And boy-oh-boy do they get pissed when you won’t. I’m still sobbing and weeping over being called “cynical and nihilistic”.

Tony Greenstein’s blog is well worth reading.
And he is very involved in the antizionist movement in England and covers it very well.
He is also very, very knowledgeable about zionist history.

Childness mocking, while not addressing substance.

In your opinion, what did Olmert say on campaigning for equality.

There’s another book that approaches Palestine from the perspective of maps, cartography and geography: Eyal Weizman’s “Ungrounding – The Architecture of Genocide“. Here’s a review from the London Review of Books, emphasis mine:

Sufficient ‘conditions of life’ require buildings, hospitals, social infrastructure, sewage and water systems, power grids, agriculture. The intentional destruction or degradation of such structures undermines a people’s ability to survive, leading to a slower and more tortuous form of annihilation….Two and a half years after 7 October 2023, most of the Gaza Strip – cities, refugee camps, schools, universities, mosques, the health infrastructure, agriculture, wells and the soil itself – has been destroyed and made toxic by bombs, artillery, tank shells and sappers. The most systematic destruction was caused by D9 bulldozers made by the US company Caterpillar….  The bulldozers turned the agriculturally rich land of eastern Gaza into a monochrome desert of crushed grey cement mixed with the area’s yellowish soil. Entire cities such as Rafah, towns such as Beit Hanoun and refugee camps such as Jabalia were erased….In Gaza the systematic devastation of the environment – fields, water sources and the fishing industry – destroyed the ability of the society to feed itself….The mass expulsion of Palestinians from Gaza to Egypt has been an aim of Israeli governments since December 1948, when the army first tried and failed to cleanse this last remaining enclave along Palestine’s Mediterranean coast….

Eyal Weizman · All they will find is sand: Gaza’s Yellow Line

Note, “claim of self-defense”.(current attacks and vandalism certainly are not self-defense)

How do you understand Israel’s remaining impunity?

Yep, Ole Brent, is still blabbing about “Olmert’s words” while his beloved Apartheid Israel and its genocidal IDF have been committing war crimes, massacres, ethnic cleansing, and Genocide with NO end in site.

“rocks, rifles and rockets”

Who has tons of stockpiles, upon tons of stockpiles of those 2,000 pound bombs, missiles, fighter jets, drones, tanks, artillery, white phosphorus … etc … in their arsenal?

Israel or the Palestinians?

How many Israelis killed vs Palestinians killed?

The topic is Rahm Emanuel, not about you or “many Jews from abroad”.

Rahm Emanuel volunteered as a civilian maintenance worker with the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) during the 1991 Gulf War.

Civilian volunteer servicing trucks and equipment for the IDF.

“He served as an Israel Defense Forces volunteer not once, but twice.”

https://mondoweiss.net/2008/11/rahm-volunteered-for-idf-twice-and-maybe-thats-a-good-thing/

Not sure why we don’t hear or read more about retired Professor Norman Finkelstein who anyone involved in the Palestinian human rights issue knows is a long time righteous and brave human rights activist. He came out in the 80’s after many of us were already involved and took a stance against the apartheid. He was one of the first Jews to do so.

I so respect his no nonsense, matter of fact, focused on international laws long time approach. That man has taken some serious personal hits because of his decades long human rights stances. So much respect for him. He can take ethnocentric, racist, inhumane arguments down in seconds.

 https://www.normanfinkelstein.com/gazas-gravediggers-norman-finkelsteins-dissection-of-the-institutions-that-enabled-israels-genocide/

Joe Scarborough, Mika, Haas, etc essentially all in for whatever Israel and the I lobby say or do. Barnacle and Jonathan whatever his last name is sometimes stick their necks out. Joe has been talking more critically about the violent, hateful land thieves. What is the branding dude’s name? He is an example of everything wrong with those who support Israel no matter how many war crimes they commit. He more often than not sounds like a racist ethnocentric bobble head who clearly knows how to make ccching.

Sach’s is clearly and open minded, brilliant person who even though his evolution of thinking about this critical issue has been a long time coming. He has been able to digest the facts on the ground and had those facts change possible age old prejudices and rigid thinking about the conflict. I don’t believe he has always been this way about the conflict. His thinking has evolved. Periodically I catch his possible commitment to the idea of Israel over 5-10 years ago when he was a regular on Morning Joe’s.

Why is it that we do not hear more people talk about the understandable desire to protect Israel based on originally designed boundaries? I have always hated the way the U.S. came to be and the way Israel and many other nations came to be. Often ruthless, deadly methods used to create countries. The right to exist is a flimsy argument in so many ways, however, there are international bodies that recognize countries based on internationally recognized borders.

A “reflexive shield” well thought out and for decades effective. No longer.

“Such rigid thinking is a callous that makes stopping this madness against the Palestinians so much harder for everyone ” Clearly the intention for decades.

Finally not working so well.

Oh, God! Blethering on again about Olmert’s words which you have consistently misread here for years (or what seems like years).

Why didn’t you say that in your first post? Everyone reading it will have understood you to mean Israel, since Livvy’s post made no mention of Palestine.

Are the current attacks and vandalism by the extremist Jewish settlers in the West Bank “acts of self-defense?”
This constant refrain from you about Israeli self-defense would be laughable if the violence wasn’t so horrific.

Provide a link and I’ll take a look. All I’ve seen is a very dated article from 2012.

FYI, just between you and me, Jewish racial purity is not what it’s been cracked up to be. You can expect problems whether it is Charles Darwin or Saddam Hussein when you opt to marry your own first cousins. The Max Plank Institute was looking for Mendelian disorders when it noted: “Today, if you compare Ashkenazi Jews from the United States and Israel, they’re very similar genetically, almost like the same population regardless of where they live,” says geneticist Shai Carmi of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. But unlike today’s genetic uniformity, it turns out that the community was more diverse 600 years ago.”

If all you want are more physically disabled, mentally impaired, or homicidal maniacs, like Uday and Qusay Hussein, the secret is to just keep marrying your cousins.

The 2018 Peqi’in Cave (Israel) DNA Study, 2019 Ashkelon Philistine DNA Study; 2020 Bronze Age Study of the Canaanites from the Southern Levant, and 2025 Punic People DNA studies already confirmed the “Israelites” or “Judeans” and modern day Jews, Lebanese, Palestinians, Jordanians, and Syrians inherited most of their DNA from ancient Canaanite ancestors. The Ethiopian and Ashkenazi Jews inherited much less than the others tested. In case you never heard about the multi-millennia-old earlier Canaanite birthright claim, this DNA discovery is not good for the European Jews.

The Palestinians remained indigenous. The Ashkenazi Jews were mostly European Zionist new Yishuv colonists and their terrorist militia members. They arrived after WWI. They remained an ethnic minority and only came by the millions after the Zionists had ethnically cleansed and pillaged the country in1948. Their claim to land based upon a Canaanite “Birthright” after such a long hiatus half a world away would obviously be risible. I believe the only previous studies I’ve seen, other than those mentioned above cited DNA samples that didn’t even include modern Lebanon or Syria or sample any ancient DNA.