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annie
annie on November 17, 2019, 7:40 pm

this just may have my question https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/elections/.premium-is-gantz-really-about-to-become-prime-minister-panicking-bibi-thinks-he-might-1.8135618

Gantz and Lieberman believe Netanyahu has already made the decision to go for a third election, which would give him four or five months, at least, as head of a caretaker government, ensuring that legal proceedings against him would only begin while he is still prime minister. This means he would receive preferential treatment (three more amenable district court judges in Jerusalem, instead of one Tel Aviv judge specializing in white collar crime). In that case, and since Netanyahu has already basically accused them of treason for just considering cooperating with the Joint List, what other options do they have than going ahead and cooperating with the Joint List?

not begin while he is still prime minister.’

and i don’t understand the last part if anyone can explain.

JLewisDickerson
JLewisDickerson on November 17, 2019, 7:32 pm

RE: “There is to be an emergency rally against the inclusion of Palestinian parties tonight in Israel.” ~ Gurvitz

Netanyahu Slams Benny Gantz and Leaders of Joint (Arab) List
941 views • Nov 17, 2019
LINK – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck4jasfiLB4

annie
annie on November 17, 2019, 7:28 pm

“a Netanyahu indictment on Tuesday, and a Jewish-Palestinian coalition on Wednesday would be something to behold.”

wow, it really would! almost impossible to imagine but exciting none the less.

so, they can still indict netanyahu even while he’s prime minister? he’s still prime minister until there’s another correct? interesting

smithgp
smithgp on November 17, 2019, 6:50 pm

Hey “Moose,” you might want to spell out your steps of logic for us slow learners. Just sayin’.

eljay
eljay on November 17, 2019, 6:48 pm

|| eljay: And just the rapist … ||

Correction: And just as the rapist …

Donald
Donald on November 17, 2019, 6:45 pm

Are you Native American, mooser?

eljay
eljay on November 17, 2019, 5:56 pm

And just the rapist – and not his friend – is responsible for the evil he has done and continues to do, no amount of Zionist foisting or apologetics changes the fact that Israel and Zionists – and not Egypt – are responsible for the evil Israel and Zionists have done and continue to do.

eljay
eljay on November 17, 2019, 5:34 pm

|| mon donut: Once again, they are not borders … ||

I know: They’re the coastal and airspace boundaries of Partition-borders Palestine and Israel controls them.

|| … And BTW, nobody but yourself is buying into your “partition borders” nonsense. … ||

If you say so.

|| … I am not sure how your often repeated (and creepy) rape analogy applies to Gaza’s borders. ||

The rapist analogy appropriately applies to Zionist Israel. It’s telling that…
– a mere analogy creeps you out; but
– the hateful and immoral reality of a deliberately and unapologetically oppressive, colonialist, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist Israel commands your loyalty and support.

MHughes976
MHughes976 on November 17, 2019, 5:30 pm

It’s not quite fair to say ‘therefore superior’ – being chosen implies a special mission to bring the world back to God and thus the possibility of God’s becoming angry with backsliding in a way that he never is with the other nations. The moral struggles of the other nations are not to be despised but they are unavailing because not sufficiently guided from on high. One day when the backsliding is over and the glory of Jewish obedience is revealed the other nations will, as Zechariah hath prophesied, be ‘added to Yahweh’ rather painlessly: the Jews suffer the extremes so that we don’t have to. The Jews endure many things, both the wrath of God when they don’t live up to their mission and the hatred of the wicked, accompanied by the incomprehension of the many, when they do: makes quite a lot of sense, I think. That’s what would quite likely happen if you were on a mission from God. The wicked are understood in political terms to a degree, as ‘Amalek’ most vividly. There had ‘always’ been a current in Jewish thought that was not quite satisfied with this view of the nations as at best an applauding audience of the Jewish drama and wanted to give them a role on stage and this current gained much force in the first century and became Christianity, with the Suffering Servant of God becoming an individual, Jesus, and the political enemy becoming a motley band of reprobates and vessels of wrath. As Slomo Sand remarks, the Old Testament is a theological masterpiece and its ideas get a grip on many minds, not all reprobate. The dominant interpretation of a masterpiece gets lots of applause. Unfamiliar interpretations get booed and that’s part of our problem.

Ossinev
Ossinev on November 17, 2019, 5:29 pm

@Doughnut
“That your ridiculous argument is untrue does not make it a border. But for the sake of your argument were we to assume that a sea constitutes a border”

Whoops I think you have drifted wildly off Zioscript old bean.
https://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Israeli-Navy-stops-Gaza-flotilla-attempting-to-breach-naval-blockade-562128

Best get back to Zio Central on this one as a priority. They should be able to sort out some of therapy. Assuming of course that they want to keep you on their books. You are bordering on the ridiculous and they may just decide that you are too much of a risk.

Keith
Keith on November 17, 2019, 5:28 pm

MOOSER- “It’s hard to match the purity of the bros’ who support Trump because they feel Trump will bring on collapse, catastrophe, and disaster which will cause a healing revolution, after which the new, ummm, something, will appear.”

I see that you have abandoned any pretense of rationality, cleverness or humor to construct your strawman of desperation. I am all for impeaching Trump because of the coup in Bolivia, but oppose this never-ending Democrat warmongering which you loyally support even to the extend of discrediting your intelligence. Suicidal group loyalty isn’t cute, the Deep State Democrats will be the death of us all. For what? Hegemony? And the guy who started the ball rolling was Slick Willie, the same guy who stabbed his constituency in the back repeatedly. He was impeached over Monica Lewinsky but should have been convicted based on his other numerous crimes and misdemeanors. I think that the world would be a better place if that had occurred. The Clintons destroyed the party of Roosevelt. Your loyalty to these “new Democrats” and their meme is at least as great as these Zionists loyalty to Israel and Zionism. About as rational, too. Make no mistake, the imperial Deep State Democrats are an existential threat to all life on Earth, the Republicans slightly less so.

“Which is also to say that Ukraine is not “a vital US national interest,” as most leaders of both parties, Republican and Democrat alike, and much of the US media now declare. On the other hand, Ukraine is a vital Russian interest by any geopolitical or simply human reckoning.”
….
The short but essential answer is Washington’s decision, taken by President Bill Clinton in the 1990s, to expand NATO eastward from Germany and eventually to Ukraine itself. Ever since, both Democrats and Republicans have insisted that Ukraine is a “vital US national interest.” Those of us who opposed that folly warned it would lead to dangerous conflicts with Moscow, conceivably even war. Imagine Washington’s reaction, we pointed out, if Russian military bases began to appear on Canada’s or Mexico’s borders with America. We were not wrong: An estimated 13,000 souls have already died in the Ukrainian-Russian war in the Donbass and some 2 million people have been displaced.

Things are likely to get worse. Democrats are sharply criticizing Trump for withholding large-scale military aid to Kiev (even though President Obama, despite strong pressure, wisely did so). Ukraine’s recently elected President Volodymyr Zelensky, having been drawn into the Washington scandal, is no longer as free to negotiate peace with Russian leader Vladimir Putin as he hoped and promised during his campaign. And candidates for the 2020 US Democratic presidential nomination, with the exception of Tulsi Gabbard, are likely to compete for the role of Kiev’s biggest military booster. Here, as generally in US-Russian relations, Democrats are becoming a war party.” (Stephen F. Cohen) http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/52557.htm

mondonut
mondonut on November 17, 2019, 3:41 pm

@Ossinev take a boat to a beach in or near Tel Aviv and wade ashore

That your ridiculous argument is untrue does not make it a border. But for the sake of your argument were we to assume that a sea constitutes a border, it still does not prove the original premise – which is that Israel controls the borders of Gaza. Israel does not control the (land) border between Egypt and Gaza, so therefore it does not “control the borders of Gaza”.

Mooser
Mooser on November 17, 2019, 3:40 pm

“It’s because the right to live in peace and security is a fundamental, inalienable right of individuals, even invaders’ grandchildren who vote for odious political parties and tweet racist slurs.”

Shorter “smithgp”: ‘The Israelis have a fundamental right to kill Palestinians and steal their land’

That circle ain’t getting no squarer.

Mooser
Mooser on November 17, 2019, 3:34 pm

It’s hard to match the purity of the bros’ who support Trump because they feel Trump will bring on collapse, catastrophe, and disaster which will cause a healing revolution, after which the new, ummm, something, will appear.
Now, that’s political purity!

Or is it that you think Trump will MAGA? Sometimes it’s hard to tell.

Stephen Shenfield
Stephen Shenfield on November 17, 2019, 1:17 pm

Quite so. A hypothetical example I like to use is whether it is anti-Romany to deny the right of Romanies to “return” to their ancestral homeland in the Punjab and expel the current inhabitants? Granting a “right of self-determination” is like signing a blank check, because you don’t know in advance what it will be used to justify. It might be interpreted harmlessly — say, as the right to speak and write in a certain language — but it can also be interpreted as justifying ethnic cleansing or even genocide. So better not to recognize such a right.

In general, it is safer not to recognize “rights” that are not clearly defined. The “right to live in peace and security” could mean the right to live in peace and security somewhere, or wherever you like, or wherever you happen to be right now. It is often understood to mean the right to live wherever you like but with exceptions that exclude large areas because they are others’ property or in nature reserves or in other countries that do not allow you to immigrate. Should we have a right to live on land owned by others without their permission? If not, then seeing that most land in Palestine is stolen how can the thieves or their beneficiaries have a right to live on it? They may still have a right to live in peace and security, but somewhere else.

Another question about “rights.” Are they to be regarded as unconditional and inalienable or should they be made conditional on the performance of certain duties — above all, the duty to respect the rights of others? Doesn’t my right to wave my fists about stop in front of your nose?

Ossinev
Ossinev on November 17, 2019, 1:09 pm

@Doughnut
“Nope, because that is not a border.”

Great news for travellers all over the world. If you can`t get into Zioland by air or land crossing simply take a boat to a beach in or near Tel Aviv and wade ashore because yes you have guessed it the Tel Aviv beach is not a border.

Time for you to try out a different flavour of Zioweed methinks.

mondonut
mondonut on November 17, 2019, 12:04 pm

@eljay , It’s like the abusive rapist boasting that he’s an innocent man…

I am not sure how your often repeated (and creepy) rape analogy applies to Gaza’s borders.

mondonut
mondonut on November 17, 2019, 12:02 pm

@eljay Right, they’re just the coastal and airspace boundaries of Partition-borders Palestine…

Once again, they are not borders, but you seem to understand that now. Israel controls its own borders and maintains an entirely legal blockade on Gaza’s coast and airspace. All in an effort to limit the offensive weaponry from entering Gaza.

And BTW, nobody but yourself is buying into your “partition borders” nonsense.

Jejasalo
Jejasalo on November 17, 2019, 11:30 am

James, Thank you for this excellent piece. I think you should have mentioned Haaretz’ publishing of Gideon Levy’s powerful article on this massacre, though, as well. I doubt there are many major papers in the US that would print his writings. We self-censor more than ever. Levy writes regularly, however. There are few people who match his courage in speaking the truth – and few papers that would allow it to be heard so clearly.

Mooser
Mooser on November 17, 2019, 11:24 am

“Misterioso”, it’s been a year since I said ‘thanks’ for the material you add to the comments. So thanks again.

Mooser
Mooser on November 17, 2019, 11:11 am

“there are people with higher principles”

Oh, “higher principles” are all very good, I guess, but sex segregation is not going to solve our demographic problems.

weiss
weiss on November 17, 2019, 10:38 am

“A bunch of losers trembling in fear of the disciplinary committees of their school.”

His description of those Courageous Students who walked out says it all about this brutal man…

Harvard should be publicly shamed for even allowing him to speak, but is not surprising since they treat the pedophile Alan Dershowitz, who was a frequent guest listed on the flight logs for Jeffrey Epstein’s “Lolita Express”, like a Mensch.

Misterioso
Misterioso on November 17, 2019, 10:31 am

@mondonut

Patent nonsense!!

Human Rights Watch, whom I quoted above, leaves no doubt that the Gaza Strip is “occupied.” And the Red Cross made it absolutely clear that Gaza is “occupied” by “Israel” and subject to a “closure” that “constitutes a collective punishment imposed in clear violation of Israel’s obligations under international humanitarian law. The Fourth Geneva Convention of 1949, ratified by Israel, bans collective punishment of a civilian population.”

You ignore the comments of Dov Weisglass who made it clear that “‘The significance of the [then proposed] disengagement plan [implemented in 2005] is the freezing of the peace process,’ Prime Minister Ariel Sharon’s senior adviser Dov Weisglass has told Ha’aretz. ‘And when you freeze that process, you prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state, and you prevent a discussion on the refugees, the borders and Jerusalem.”

You also ignore the fact that Israel refused to even acknowledge Hamas’s overtures
of peace let alone meet with its leaders to discuss them.

As the following Likud Party Platform makes clear, “Israel” has no intention of resolving the conflict:
a. “The Jordan river will be the permanent eastern border of the State of Israel.”
b. “Jerusalem is the eternal, united capital of the State of Israel and only of Israel. The government will flatly reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem”
c. “The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river.”
d. “…. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting.”

In short, as you have repeatedly demonstrated, you are a fraud!!!

Vera Gottlieb
Vera Gottlieb on November 17, 2019, 10:29 am

Anti-Semitism is anything, anyone we dislike. Smear at any price.

Vera Gottlieb
Vera Gottlieb on November 17, 2019, 10:28 am

He does not belong in US politics…move to israel.

Kay24
Kay24 on November 17, 2019, 9:28 am

Here is an interesting article on Michael Lynk’s UN report:

“He may teach human rights law at the Western University in London, Ontario, but as the UN’s special rapporteur on human rights in the occupied West Bank and Gaza, he has to endure the fury of Israel and its acolytes abroad – not least in his native Canada – and, two years ago, even the enmity of his own country’s foreign minister.

In his latest UN report, he reminds readers that the creation of Israel’s “civilian settlements” in occupied territory is a breach of the Fourth Geneva Convention and a “war crime” under the Rome Statute. So you can see why the 67-year old Lynk, a labour lawyer by training, has been having a tough time since his appointment to the voluntary, unpaid UN post three years ago.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/israel-settlements-palestinian-hamas-un-trump-michael-lynk-a9201781.html

eljay
eljay on November 17, 2019, 8:58 am

It’s strange how Zionists think that attempting to foist onto others some of the responsibility for the evil they deliberately and with impunity have done and continue to do somehow absolves them of responsibility and accountability for that evil.

It’s like the abusive rapist boasting that he’s an innocent man simply because his buddy failed to set those women free.

eljay
eljay on November 17, 2019, 8:49 am

|| mon donut: Nope, because that is not a border. … ||

Right, they’re just the coastal and airspace boundaries of Partition-borders Palestine and Israel controls them.

|| … But anything that needs to make it into Gaza can go through Egypt. Because Israel does not control their border. ||

There’s no reason that anything that needs to make it into Partition-borders Palestine can’t get there directly and freely through Palestinian coastal waters or Palestinian airspace. Well, no reason other than the fact that Israel controls them.

abe123
abe123 on November 17, 2019, 8:44 am

This is the most disgusting article i have ever read. Just accept the fact that there are people with higher principles than you and then you’ll shut up and live you’re life!!!

Kay24
Kay24 on November 17, 2019, 7:17 am

It is ironic how many “mistakes” the world’s most moral and efficient military keeps making.
They are either brutal or inept. Most probably both.

Here is a video of brave Harvard students walking out of a speech on settlements, by the Israeli ambassador. Great job.

smithgp
smithgp on November 17, 2019, 6:44 am

Joseph Levine: “Does he mean [Israeli Jews’] right to live in peace and security? Well, I support that claim, but of course that is not a claim Palestinians reject.”

Echinococcus: “And how would you know that? Because you heard it from the Zionist puppets that are paid by the US taxpayer to act as Zionist police over the expelled Palestinians (after they finished helping their Zionist masters murder all resistance)? Where is the general Palestinian plebiscite that would prove that the Palestinians just gave away their own land and their right to decide whatever happens on it? An aggressed people object of a ruthless war of aggression and annihilation — recognizing the aggressor a right to live in peace and security. That’s how you win…”

Ethno-national groups, including indigenous Palestinians, don’t “own” their homelands, Echinococcus. That is the nineteenth century blut und boden (blood and soil) ideology that culminated in Nazism, and that is foundational to Zionism as well. Homelands are never ethnically “pure,” and nowhere is that more evident than in Palestine, whose indigenous Palestinian people are themselves a rich mixture of ethnicities, many of whom originally settled the land as invaders. Omar Barghouti, a co-founder of the BDS movement, pointed out to me last April that Palestinian political parties and civil society organizations call for freedom, justice, and equality for all the people who share the Palestinian homeland, not for expelling Israeli Jews. This is not because Israeli Jews have earned the right to live there. It’s because the right to live in peace and security is a fundamental, inalienable right of individuals, even invaders’ grandchildren who vote for odious political parties and tweet racist slurs. A second round of expulsion is not the remedy for the Nakba, whether or not a plebicite of indigenous Palestinians would vote in favor of it.

mondonut
mondonut on November 17, 2019, 2:11 am

@eljay So…ships can sail into Gaza’s coast waters

Nope, because that is not a border. But anything that needs to make it into Gaza can go through Egypt. Because Israel does not control their border.

Peter in SF
Peter in SF on November 17, 2019, 1:30 am

You need to drill down on Bernie’s stated support of “the right of self-determination” for “Jews”, when he includes himself in the category of “Jews” at the same time that he is running for president of the United States of America.

To try to understand the issue here, as a professor of philosophy, you get to ask students thought-provoking questions such as “Is it racist to deny the right of self-determination to African-Americans?”

Rob Roy
Rob Roy on November 17, 2019, 12:16 am

Right. Gideon Levy says the Jews are three things:

1. God’s Chosen, therefore, superior to all others
2. Eternal victims; no others have suffered as they have
3. Believe the Palestinians (Arabs) are like cockroaches beneath Jews’ feet,
worthless; therefore they can be eliminated without a thought

echinococcus
echinococcus on November 16, 2019, 11:12 pm

Keith,

“How do you maintain your loyalty to [fill the blanks] when they [fill the blanks]?”

The answer to that hasn’t changed in a million years. True belief or personal gain.

eljay
eljay on November 16, 2019, 10:07 pm

|| mon donut: As Israel does not control the borders of Gaza … ||

So…ships can sail into Gaza’s coast waters and dock and airplanes can fly into Gaza’s airspace and land and Israel will not interfere in any way? That’s terrific news, donut!  :-)

echinococcus
echinococcus on November 16, 2019, 7:52 pm

“How many times do we have to hear politicians say, “Israel has a right to defend itself” and never hear any of them say, ‘Palestine has a right to defend itself’?”

Just so. Unfortunately, this formula, already despicable enough by itself, has now been escalated to *a right of the initiators of an ongoing brutal, interminable war of aggression and extermination to live in peace and security*, in other words protected from their victims. By a JVP leader, no less.

mondonut
mondonut on November 16, 2019, 7:44 pm

@Misterioso , you and your fellow Hasbara devotees choose to ignore …

– Gaza is not occupied. Israel does not consider it occupied. Neither does Hamas, the group who actually maintains control over the strip.

– Hamas repeatedly accepts a state, it has never accepted the existence of Israel. A Hamas state is nothing more than a stage in the process of eliminating Israel. Hamas does not offer peace or an end to claims.

– Hamas issued a manifesto, it never modified its charter and has never deviated from its charter.

– Hamas statements to the effect that all people can live in the land changes nothing at all. It does not accept the existence of Israel, it is just a dubious claim that Jews will be permitted to live in the Islamic State that would replace Israel.

Keith
Keith on November 16, 2019, 7:39 pm

MOOSER- “Keith”, how do you maintain that perfect personality equilibrium when Trump is under impeachment?”

How do you maintain your loyalty to the Democratic Party when they continue to demonize Russia/Putin in defense of neo-Nazis? Russiagate has morphed into Ukrainegate in which the primary purpose is to turn reality on its head to justify imperial aggression towards Russia, a nuclear armed but economically weak country. Since when did corrupt Ukrainian oligarchs and neo-Nazis become our “strategic” partner (see quote)? Doesn’t it bother you to be supporting neo-Nazis? Does your moral barrel have no bottom? Seriously. Below a selected quote from the first day. This Deep State dishonesty and insanity should be of great concern to those who value survival and at least some minimal level of intellectual integrity in the government.

“The key statements on the first day of the impeachment hearing concluded that Ukraine was an “important” or “strategic” partner of the United States. Chairman Adam Schiff opened the hearings with the view that Russian President Vladimir Putin decided to “rebuild the Russian empire” by invading a “strategic U.S. ally.” The key witnesses, William Taylor and George Kent, both senior Foreign Service Officers and seasoned diplomats, echoed the chairman’s view. Taylor, our leading diplomat in Ukraine, referred to a “newly aggressive Russia” that invaded a “strategic partner of the United States.” He argued that it was essential for the United States to be a “reliable strategic partner” for Ukraine.” (Melvin Goodman) https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/11/15/meet-ukraine-americas-newest-strategic-ally/

RoHa
RoHa on November 16, 2019, 6:48 pm

” a mendacious, shallow, shameless, self-seeking, populist bombast who, it now appears, is quite possibly also criminally corrupt”

A standard issue Prime Minister.

JWalters
JWalters on November 16, 2019, 6:07 pm

Palestinians are allowed no mistakes.

Elizabeth Block
Elizabeth Block on November 16, 2019, 6:07 pm

I quote what Miko Peled said, when I asked about comments I have heard that Israeli Jews don’t know what’s happening in the occupied territories:

“They know. They just think it’s okay.”

Same with this congresswoman, and many others.

mondonut
mondonut on November 16, 2019, 6:05 pm

As Israel does not control the borders of Gaza, its permission is not required for entry. Go to Egypt and cross from there.

And while he is there, maybe he can let everyone know if he is in “Palestine”.

JWalters
JWalters on November 16, 2019, 6:03 pm

I too salute these activists. History shows that major progress usually comes from the grass roots, not from financially compromised “leaders”.

oldgeezer
oldgeezer on November 16, 2019, 6:03 pm

@jon s

Middle Eastern people share a haplopgroup known to go back 48,000

Nothing like a teacher of fake history to laugh at actual history and science while stealing other peoples property and claiming a 2,000 year old birthright. Especially the white european ashkenazi.

They say you can’t make it up but Israel sure does. Rogue and outlaw state.

eljay
eljay on November 16, 2019, 5:46 pm

Bernie is a Zionist and every Zionist – even a “liberal” one like him – believes that the religion-based identity of Jewish grants to those who choose to hold it the “right”:
– to be supremacists;
– to have as large as possible a religion-supremacist “Jewish State”; and
– to do unto others acts of injustice and immorality (a.k.a. “necessary evil”) they would not have others do unto them.

Rob Roy
Rob Roy on November 16, 2019, 5:46 pm

I appreciated some of the criticism of Bernie’s argument, but agree with you, echinococcus, and your insightful comment. Thank you for your clarity and your armed bandits house invaders analogy. Perfect.
I think it is difficult for Jews who mean well and make great efforts to be fair, to be really fair and admit that the British had no right to give away another peoples’ land. Period. There are some Jews in Palestine that are there by historic right…they are the descendants of the handful (perhaps 5% of the citizens ) of Jews living in Palestine when Palestine was given away. [Those people call themselves “Palestinians.”] The 95% of citizens, Palestinians, with those few descendants are the legal and moral owners of the land that has been brutally stolen ever since the Nakba, one hectare at a time, one house at a time, many murders at a time. The goal is extermination of the Palestinians. The IDF, a terrorist organization will not stop until this is accomplished because they are brainwashed and trained to be this way. These days, they are even making games of their murders.
No matter how many rationalizations, in erudite language attempting to explain what the “Jewish Nation’s” goal is, the Greater Israel populated with ONLY Jews, and make it sound as if Palestinians are just unreasonable, the fact remains that the Jews who were given Palestine have no right to be there, let alone be supported by the US, et.al.
How many times do we have to hear politicians say, “Israel has a right to defend itself” and never hear any of them say, “Palestine has a right to defend itself”?

eljay
eljay on November 16, 2019, 5:24 pm

|| jon s: … Has misterioso made a complete fool of himself? … ||

…says the Zionist who completely foolishly fantasizes that the religion-based identity of Jewish magically transforms:
– every person in the world – every citizen of every homeland throughout the world – into an ancient Israelite; and
– geographic Palestine into his/her “ancient / historic / eternal / lost / one true homeland”.

Rashers2
Rashers2 on November 16, 2019, 4:36 pm

Like Robert Cohen, on occasion I have voted for Labour; not because I wished for a Labour government but because the incumbent Labour M. P. was a particularly good constituency member who had been instrumental in re-fashioning the failing public services in what was /is a deprived area; she also enjoyed a majority which no Liberal or Tory could entertain reasonable hope of overturning! This I state solely to position myself in relation to Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour Party’s left wing. What seems a short while ago, I would have been a “natural” Conservative voter. The Conservatives are led by a mendacious, shallow, shameless, self-seeking, populist bombast who, it now appears, is quite possibly also criminally corrupt; and I am an electoral vagrant.

Thanks to Mr. Cohen for this exposition, which I realise is addressed to an audience of which a minority is British and which is an excellent “positioning” piece for those unfamiliar with the last four years’ Labour anti-Semitism-gate “scandal” to understand the background to seemingly anomalous references to anti-Semitism which are likely to recur and be given prominence during the UK’s current general election campaign.

I would quarrel with only with Mr. Cohen’s phrasing below, which may stem from his pains to be and appear sober and measured:
“But a more credible explanation for their accusations is the possibility of a radical change in the attitude of the British government towards the State of Israel. But in merely expressing the possibility of a political motive behind the attacks, one quickly becomes branded as anti-Jewish. Freedom of speech gets buried alive in this war over the meaning of antisemitism.” No. “THE ONLY credible explanation, etc.”

Pessimistically but probably, Labour anti-Semitism-gate will contribute not only to Corbyn’s electoral defeat and the return of an idiot-leader but also to hastening the demise of the present polity in Britain.

Mr. Cohen points out that debasement of the expression “anti-Semitism” (and thus of the popular understanding of its concept)” for short-term political gain [in the defence of what is in any case morally and legally indefensible (Zionism and the colonial settlement project) – my words, not Mr. Cohen’s] is a disservice to British Jews, whose fears have been egregiously exploited by this whole manufactured scandal. I would add that the effects of such debasement should concern not only Jews but all who care about racism in general; and about numerous manifestations of “other-ism” in British society.

jon s
jon s on November 16, 2019, 3:52 pm

15,000 years? Stone age Palestinians? Has misterioso made a complete fool of himself? I especially liked “including their ancestors”.

genesto
genesto on November 16, 2019, 3:28 pm

Keep up the pressure on Congress. It’s definitely starting to have a positive effect.

Ossinev
Ossinev on November 16, 2019, 2:09 pm

“If I have criticisms of Corbyn over his handling of antisemitism it’s that he did not defend himself or his party more robustly”

I agree but with important qualifications:

1) Benefit of hindsight. Corbyn at the time must be forgiven for choosing to engage and reassure which I believe was his nature at the time. With his own hindsight he must now realise just how ruthless and organised the campaign by Zionist Lobby groups ( as scripted by the Israeli Embassy) was and has continued to be.
2) Corbyn I believe would have been well aware of the Israel Uber Alles views of the likes of Margaret Hodges however the whole grotesque saga has revealed the wide spectrum of pro – Zionist lackeys within the “left” of the Labour Party not least the odious Deputy Leader Tom Watson who must be in leading contention for the Judas of the decade award.

On the plus side supporters of Palestinian rights ( within and outside the Labour Party ) have seen a whole host of Pro Zionist politicians and “celebrities” emerge from their closets and will in future one hopes treat them with the absolute contempt which they deserve.

echinococcus
echinococcus on November 16, 2019, 2:05 pm

“Third, Bernie never tells us what he considers the “just claims of Israeli Jews” to be. I think that’s not just an oversight, because if he did spell them out he’d have to face the incompatibility of his democratic socialism with his Zionism. Does he mean their right to live in peace and security? Well, I support that claim…”

Now, the author here doesn’t tell us what he bases his support on. If he had to establish how come invaders who have started an ongoing war of aggression, and are currently committing genocide on other people’s land, should have a “right to live in peace and security” he’d have to say Zionists have a right to Palestine, or at least part of it.

That’s just as absurd as when armed bandits take possession of a house, murder and kick out most inhabitants, hold the remaining as slaves and hostages — and you recognize them a “right to live in peace and security” while these invaders still are within the house! Beyond crazy, but it may pass unnoticed as part of an otherwise lofty-sounding jvp piece, because most people’s brains have been washed by Zopaganda over so many years.

“… but of course that is not a claim Palestinians reject.”

And how would you know that? Because you heard it from the Zionist puppets that are paid by the US taxpayer to act as Zionist police over the expelled Palestinians (after they finished helping their Zionist masters murder all resistance)?
Where is the general Palestinian plebiscite that would prove that the Palestinians just gave away their own land and their right to decide whatever happens on it? An aggressed people object of a ruthless war of aggression and annihilation — recognizing the aggressor a right to live in peace and security. That’s how you win…

The last resource of Zionists is not “liberal Zionism”.
It is this tribal solidarity posing as a critique of liberal Zionism.

Mooser
Mooser on November 16, 2019, 12:32 pm

If Israel is a great example of national service Deval Patrick must be prepared to hand out a lot of religious exemptions.

eljay
eljay on November 16, 2019, 12:19 pm

|| Sulphurdunn @ November 16, 2019, 10:10 am ||

Very well put.

Mooser
Mooser on November 16, 2019, 12:19 pm

“Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of Three Thousand Years”

Oh screw that. No wonder Sahak felt that “weight”. He was right at the center of its gravity.

Mooser
Mooser on November 16, 2019, 11:57 am

“Keith”, how do you maintain that perfect personality equilibrium when Trump is under impeachment?

And with all that ‘hearsay’ evidence, too. Turns out lot’s of people heard him say it.

barbara lyons
barbara lyons on November 16, 2019, 11:18 am

Jan knows the truth about Israeli abuses of children. If she had any guts she would try to educate her constituents instead of pandering to the AIPAC lobby. She is on the wrong side of history and will be forgotten. Keep fighting JVP.

Misterioso
Misterioso on November 16, 2019, 10:17 am

The horrible irony of “Israel’s” illegal, brutal occupation of the Gaza Strip and its repeated slaughters, destruction of the homes and infrastructure of its imprisoned indigenous Palestinian inhabitants is screamingly obvious, as is the Zionist’s crimes committed against those in the rest of historic Palestine since 1947. It’s Nazi Germany all over again!!! How can Jewish communities in America and around the world bear it?

Sulphurdunn
Sulphurdunn on November 16, 2019, 10:10 am

You track me down, walk up and punch me in the face. When I punch back, I’m a bully for punching back because you have a right to defend yourself from me. Everyone on the playground knows who the real bully is, even his sycophants. When we go to the principal’s office I get blamed because your dad is on the school board.

Misterioso
Misterioso on November 16, 2019, 10:01 am

Kudos to these American activists for having the courage, morality, humanity and respect for truth to stand with the Palestinians, the indigenous inhabitants of the lands between the River and the Sea, who have suffered for over 71 years under the vicious boot of Zionists of foreign origin.

Misterioso
Misterioso on November 16, 2019, 9:49 am

A brief look at the monster Deval Patrick supports:

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20191004-ex-general-likens-israel-to-nazi-germany/

“Ex-general likens Israel to Nazi Germany”
“Israel could end up like Nazi Germany”

Middle East Monitor, Oct. 4/19

EXCERPT:
“Former Israeli army General, yesterday, Yair Golan compared Israel’s right-wing politicians to the Nazis.

“In an interview with Radio Darom, the newly elected member of the Knesset, representing the Democratic Union alliance, said: ‘I’m reminding people that the Nazis came to power democratically, so we have to be careful, very careful, so that extremist figures with a messianic view won’t exploit Israeli democracy to replace the system of government.’

“This is not the first time Golan has likened Israeli policies to those of the Nazis, in May 2016 during a speech to mark Holocaust Day, he claimed ’the horrific processes which developed in Europe’ and led to the Nazi genocide were present in Israel today.”

Also:
“Israel’s Right Wing Is Worse Than Europe’s” by Zeev Sternhell,** Haaretz, July 19/19

EXCERPT:
“From the end of the 19th century, radical, anti-liberal nationalism – after serving as a basis for fascism throughout Europe and Nazism in Germany, and despite calling itself an ideology of national unity – essentially became an ideology of civil war. Hostility toward different categories of citizens, not just ethnic minorities but ideological adversaries, became a primary tool of nationalists. So it was in the past and so it is today in countries where vicious nationalism rules: From ostensibly democratic India, which abuses its minorities, to Poland and Hungary, to Benjamin Netanyahu’s Israel, which is consciously moving toward becoming an apartheid state.

“In truth, the Israeli right, which maintains the settlements with their racist, backward rabbis, is much worse that the European nationalist right, which is wary of displaying open racism and anti-Semitism, lest it be accused of fostering an ideology akin to Nazism. Here we have no such problem because hey, we’re all Jews, and who would dare accuse a Jew of approximating the kind of Nazi ideology that preceded World War II? Therefore we get an education minister who is ignorant, not just on sexual matters but also of history, feeling no qualms about calling for the annexation of millions of Arabs while cynically denying them of political rights.

“In all Europe, the pre-fascist and pre-Nazi nationalists were united in their hatred of human rights and enlightened principles, of socialists, intellectuals, pluralism and democratic government based on a division of authority. The Polish government and the Netanyahu government are similar not only because both foster hatred among their citizens as a tool of governing, but because they are both promoting a historical fabrication industry on a colossal scale.”

**Zeev Sternhell is a Polish-born Israeli historian, political scientist, commentator on the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, and writer. He is one of the world’s leading experts on fascism. He headed the Department of Political Science at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.

Misterioso
Misterioso on November 16, 2019, 9:35 am

@mondonut

Furthermore, you and your fellow Hasbara devotees choose to ignore the following regarding the occupied Gaza Strip and Hamas:

On 16 June 2009, after meeting with former U.S. President Jimmy Carter, Ismail Haniya, prime minister of Hamas’s Gaza Strip government, announced that “If there is a real plan to resolve the Palestinian question on the basis of the creation of a Palestinian state within the borders of June 4, 1967 [i.e. 22% of historic Palestine] and with full sovereignty, we are in favour of it.”

“‘We accept a Palestinian state on the borders of 1967, with Jerusalem as its capital, the release of Palestinian prisoners, and the resolution of the issue of refugees,’ Haniyeh said, referring to the year of Middle East war in which Israel captured East Jerusalem and the Palestinian territories.” (Haaretz, December 1, 2010) No response from “Israel.” (By calling for a “resolution of the issue of refugees,” Haniyeh was in accordance with UNGA Res. 194, which calls for financial compensation as a possible option for the Palestinian refugees rather than their “inalienable Right of Return.”)

In its revised Charter, April, 2017, Hamas again agreed to a Palestinian state based on the 4 June 1967 borders. Unfortunately, but not surprisingly, “Israel” promptly rejected the Hamas overture instead of using it to open a dialogue.

“Senior Hamas Official: ‘I Think We Can All Live Here in This Land – Muslims, Christians and Jews.’” By Nir Gontarz. March 28, 2018, Haaretz. No response from “Israel.”

Misterioso
Misterioso on November 16, 2019, 8:59 am

@mondonut

A brief look at the ugly reality of “Israel’s” illegal occupation of the Gaza Strip and its ongoing crimes committed against indigenous Palestinians imprisoned therein:

Human Rights Watch, 2005: “…Israel will continue to be an Occupying Power [of the Gaza Strip] under international law and bound by the provisions of the Fourth Geneva Convention because it will retain effective control over the territory and over crucial aspects of civilian life. Israel will not be withdrawing and handing power over to a sovereign authority – indeed, the word ‘withdrawal’ does not appear in the [2005 disengagement] document at all… The IDF will retain control over Gaza’s borders, coastline, and airspace, and will reserve the right to enter Gaza at will. According to the Hague Regulations, ‘A territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army. The occupation extends only to the territory where such authority has been established and can be exercised’. International jurisprudence has clarified that the mere repositioning of troops is not sufficient to relieve an occupier of its responsibilities if it retains its overall authority and the ability to reassert direct control at will.”

The International Committee of the Red Cross: “The whole of Gaza’s civilian population is being punished for acts for which they bear no responsibility. The closure therefore constitutes a collective punishment imposed in clear violation of Israel’s obligations under international humanitarian law. The Fourth Geneva Convention of 1949, ratified by Israel, bans collective punishment of a civilian population.”

“In practice, Gaza has become a huge, let me be blunt, concentration camp for right now 1,800,000 people” – Amira Hass, 2015, correspondent for Haaretz, speaking at the Forum for Scholars and Publics at Duke University. Hass, an Israeli who has won numerous awards for her reporting, has been covering the region since the early 90s.

“‘The significance of the [then proposed] disengagement plan [implemented in 2005] is the freezing of the peace process,’ Prime Minister Ariel Sharon’s senior adviser Dov Weisglass has told Ha’aretz. ‘And when you freeze that process, you prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state, and you prevent a discussion on the refugees, the borders and Jerusalem. Effectively, this whole package called the Palestinian state, with all that it entails, has been removed indefinitely from our agenda. And all this with authority and permission. All with a [U.S.] presidential blessing [i.e. President George Bush] and the ratification of both houses of Congress.’ Weisglass, who was one of the initiators of the disengagement plan, was speaking in an interview with Ha’aretz for the Friday Magazine. ‘The disengagement is actually formaldehyde,’ he said. ‘It supplies the amount of formaldehyde that is necessary so there will not be a political process with the Palestinians.’” (Top PM Aide: Gaza Plan Aims to Freeze the Peace Process, Ha’aretz, October 6, 2004)

Israeli-Aggression-Against-Peaceful-Return-March.pdf
State of Palestine, Ministry of Health, September 11/19

“Report of data collected on the number of martyrs and the number of injuries sustained during the Great March of Return, March 30/18 to September 7/19.”

EXCERPT:
“Introduction:
“This report presents data collected on the number of martyrs and the number of injuries sustained during the Great March of Return that started on 30 March 2018. The report documents Israel’s continued violation of human rights and disregard for International Humanitarian Law in the Gaza Strip through its killings, shootings and targeting of women, children, medical teams, journalists and citizens who claim their most basic rights, which are guaranteed under International Law.

“The importance of this report is that it serves as an official document drawn up by the Palestinian MOH, benefiting from the input of multiple other stakeholders, human rights organizations and researchers. The total number of martyrs was 312, of whom 96.2% (300) were male and 19.6% (61) were children.

“The total number injured was 34,282 including 18,642 (54.4%) who attended hospital 71.7 % of the all hospitals injuries were in persons aged 18 to 39 years. 48.0% of injuries were to the lower limbs, with 10.0% to the head and neck. 40.7% of injures were from live bullets, 6.6% resulted from rubber-coated metal bullets and 13.4% were the result of tear gas inhalation. There were four martyrs and 773 wounded among medical staff, who were injured by gunfire and tear gas inhalation, while 133 ambulances were partially damaged as the result of attacks.
“Sources of Data: In the preparation of this report, the Palestinian Health Information Center relied on data from hospitals, primary health care centers of the Ministry of Health, NGO hospitals and medical points. Data was assessed to ensure quality control, eliminating duplication of names, and was analyzed statistically for publication in this report.”

Maximus Decimus Meridius
Maximus Decimus Meridius on November 16, 2019, 6:05 am

I remember that anti-boycott letter. I think the queen of safe centrist causes, JK Rowling, also signed.

But isn’t the whole idea that your opinions are somehow more valuable because you are supposedly good at writing, acting or presenting TV programmes rather arrogant? Why should Joanna Lumley’s or John Le Carre’s opinions be more worthwhile than that of Joe or Jane Bloggs down the road?

And as for Jon Snow, he used to be great, but it’s clear that Channel 4 News has been ‘neutered’ in recent years. Some put it down to Ian Katz, their new Director of Programmes, who was formerly Deputy Editor at …. The Guardian.

John O
John O on November 16, 2019, 4:34 am

I can’t imagine Joanna Lumley – personal friend of Boris Johnson and the original driving force behind his absurd garden bridge – would ever be voting Labour anyway.

JWalters
JWalters on November 16, 2019, 4:32 am

The painting of Fatma Abu al-Atta by Belal Khaled could be in The Louvre.

Maghlawatan
Maghlawatan on November 16, 2019, 3:41 am

The pictures of the destruction in Gaza remind me of the movie The Hunger Games.

This 2007 interview with Joel Kovel about Zionism is excellent. Starts around 10 minutes.
Zionism is not sustainable.

https://kpfa.org/episode/24518/

brent
brent on November 16, 2019, 1:35 am

Same old, same old tune.

If the issue were framed as equality under the law in one state or independence in two, my bet is Deval Patrick would be humming a different tune.

brent
brent on November 16, 2019, 1:22 am

Robert Cohen has done Americans a great service. This beautifully written piece lets us know the insanity around us is widespread.

It also enables us to see more clearly the nature of our main problem…. the failure of our fourth estate…. “point of view reporting”, not journalism, the search for truth.

Keith
Keith on November 16, 2019, 12:52 am

ECHINOCOCCUS- “Pretending again that you missed what it was about, Mooser?”

Mooser never lets mere facts get in the way of group loyalty. No doubt Mooser revels in the first day of the impeachment proceedings ignoring the fact that all of the testimony expressed support for the Ukrainian neo-Nazis who we need to protect from the evil Putin. I wrote a brief verse for Mooser, I hope he likes it.

The Queen of Chaos in the shadows
Burisma Joe at the plate
forget global warming, neoliberalism and endless wars
it’s Putin we hate!

RoHa
RoHa on November 16, 2019, 12:51 am

Depends what counts as resistance. For Zionists, continuing to live on any part of the land, claiming any right to live there, or even calling oneself a Palestinian probably all count as resistance.

Comes to the same thing in the end. The Zionists want all Palestine with no Palestinians.

echinococcus
echinococcus on November 16, 2019, 12:37 am

Thank you, Joe, for formulating best what the tribal antisemite-witch-hunters are doing:

“The practical effect … is that the Zionists win either way.”

echinococcus
echinococcus on November 16, 2019, 12:13 am

“… do you personally feel like it’s moving the needle any in terms of pro-Israel sentiment?
Bueckert: It really is impossible to tell.”

There is a way to get a vague idea: go into one of their Youtube pages and read the comments.
Look at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxKrn8Aqa0A for example.

Didn’t look at all messages, only skimming fast, but couldn’t see a single one in favor of the Zionists — except at the very end. Every Zionist crime gets mentioned, including USS LIberty.

The message that best summarized it there was:
“Scott Banks 2 years ago
Judging by the comments posted here so far. The plan doesn’t seem to be working really good.”

Then, right at the tail end of the critical and mocking messages came a handful of Zionist messages. The best was the one at the bottom (with a Zionist entity flag, of course):
“Abram Goldberg 2 years ago
Making up lies about Israel should lead to imprisonment. Israel is the most peaceful nation on earth”

JWalters
JWalters on November 15, 2019, 9:13 pm

I agree. And this article is helpful because informing people about this astro-turf project helps people appropriately weight these flurries of pro-Israel nonsense.

JWalters
JWalters on November 15, 2019, 7:57 pm

Gee, I wonder who’s financing his last-ditch “stop Bernie” campaign?

JoeSmack
JoeSmack on November 15, 2019, 7:51 pm

Sorry, did I miss something? Did Jews in the UK suddenly become a significant voting bloc? Less than half of one percent of British people are Jews. Tony Greenstein’s analysis is tiring and boring and indicates that despite his “Marxist” pretensions he is basically feeding the delusional and non-materialist witch-hunt that got him kicked out of the Labour Party.

Jonathan Freedland is an absolute windbag (and judging by his previous statements about the Nakba, he is also a genocide apologist). But Greenstein (as usual) effectively validates the underlying concerns that Freedland and others have launched against Labour (including Greenstein himself). The implication of all of Greenstein’s arguments is that there is *actually* left-wing anti-Semitism; the only question is whether or not Corbyn and other leftists have done a good job combating this non-existent problem (Greenstein says they have by expelling so-and-so and clarifying this and that).

This worldview is absolute poison. Not only does it subordinate the very real British colonial racism against Arabs and Muslims to the non-existent campaign of anti-Semitism, which has no organized support in any part of British or American society, it validates placing the scrutiny on Palestine solidarity organizers. Suddenly, every single word and association that the British left have are ripe for being placed under a magnifying glass, and Palestine solidarity organizers are suddenly given incentive to throw each other under the bus based not any real concerns but based on optics and so they can show that they’re doing a good job combating the non-existent problem. We’ve already seen how Greenstein himself ran a verbal atrocity of fake statistics about Nazi infiltration at Counter-Punch, and he also spent his time awkwardly going back and forth on whether or not being tied to Alison Weir was evidence of Jew-hatred (i.e. he simultaneously condemned Weir while celebrating close friends of Weir’s like the late Hedy Epstein).

There is no objective reason for any of this. The practical effect of self-scrutinizing the movement for “anti-Semitism” — and digging up things that are frankly irrelevant, like a handful of conspiracy nuts or clumsy online articles — is that the Zionists win either way. They successfully change the focus from actual UK support for genocide and colonialism and instead get us to spend all of our time proving that we are not Nazis by virtue of our support for this cause.

The other obvious and perverse incentive a la Greenstein, of course, is to just be quiet. Greenstein himself has been swallowed by his own witch-hunt (for using the prefix “Zio” for Zionist, which is apparently a sign of anti-Semitism and Nazism to the witch-hunters). Likewise, if joining the Palestine solidarity movement means every single statement and comment will subsequently be subject to scrutiny according to whatever vague definition of anti-Semitism other people feel like using at any given time, with no room for error lest you be publicly shamed, the obvious incentive is to simply not say anything. That would certainly help Greenstein and others prove that there’s nothing anti-Semitic going about. Not sure how it will help liberate Palestine, though.

eljay
eljay on November 15, 2019, 7:23 pm

|| mon donut: … You want a peaceful life? Go ahead. Stop spending millions on fortifications, stop throwing yourselves against Israeli barriers, stop digging tunnels into Israel, stop with the missiles and mortars.

Build homes, schools and hospitals with all that concrete. Cast out the idiots like Bahaa Abu al-Ata who bring nothing but misery and destruction to Gaza. Try actually being peaceful. ||

donut, I agree 100% that Israel should be made to end its on-going military occupation and colonization of territory outside of its / Partition borders – y’know, actually try being peaceful and law-abiding – so that the people of Partition-borders Palestine and the FCoJ can solicit, receive and benefit from the same sort of unquestioning economic, political, military and financial investment and support that Israel has enjoyed for decades.

mondonut
mondonut on November 15, 2019, 6:42 pm

Who is to blame?

That’s easy, the Islamic militants who control the strip and the other Islamic militants who want to control the strip., and the other, other Islamic militants who are paying for all of it.

You want a peaceful life? Go ahead. Stop spending millions on fortifications, stop throwing yourselves against Israeli barriers, stop digging tunnels into Israel, stop with the missiles and mortars.

Build homes, schools and hospitals with all that concrete. Cast out the idiots like Bahaa Abu al-Ata who bring nothing but misery and destruction to Gaza. Try actually being peaceful.

mondonut
mondonut on November 15, 2019, 5:32 pm

The men Israel kills are besieged refugees, many are unemployed, some are students, others fishermen, yet others store keepers.

Apparently none of them of are fighters, combatants or IJ. All those missiles must have minds of their own.

echinococcus
echinococcus on November 15, 2019, 5:25 pm

Pretending again that you missed what it was about, Mooser?

echinococcus
echinococcus on November 15, 2019, 5:24 pm

Thanks are due to Weiss & Co for having respected the right of response — even if I’m sure it costs them.

Keith
Keith on November 15, 2019, 3:22 pm

TONY GREENSTEIN- “Antisemitic opponents of Israel argue that the reason it behaves as it does is not because it is a settler colonial state but because it is a Jewish state.”

Jeez, I hope you are not calling Israel Shahak an anti-Semite? Shahak maintained that the actions of the “Jewish state” are profoundly influence by Classical Judaic mythology as contained in the Talmud. A quote.

“It became apparent to me, as drawing on knowledge acquired in my youth, I began to study the Talmudic laws governing the relations between Jews and non-Jews, that neither Zionism, including its seemingly secular part, nor Israeli politics since the inception of the State of Israel, nor particularly the policies of the Jewish supporters of Israel in the diaspora, could be understood unless the deeper influence of these laws, and the worldview which they both create and express is taken into account.” (p1,2, “Jewish History, Jewish Religion,” Israel Shahak)

Keith
Keith on November 15, 2019, 2:55 pm

TONY GREENSTEIN- “Neocons are not necessarily Jewish unless Dick Cheney, Bush, Trump, Hilary Clinton etc. have changed their religion”

What shameless apologetics! Just because a handful of non-Jewish warmongers have jumped on the neocon bandwagon doesn’t make the neocons some sort of multicultural joint enterprise. You should be ashamed of trying to downplay the Jewish Zionist history of the group. Incidentally, Bush and Trump aren’t neocons even though they let the neocons set policy. The Princess of Darkness, however, is a true believer. Hint: it’s Hillary not Hilary.

echinococcus
echinococcus on November 15, 2019, 2:49 pm

Genesto,

“… and to your point of whether he ‘intends’ to get elected, I’m perplexed. ”

As you very much should be. Intentions… By their fruits ye shall judge them.

“Believe me, he wanted very much to win in 2016, and wants very much to win next year!”
And his fruits of 2016 were as follows: May 3, 2015: announces that he is committed to party discipline (although the most compliant Democrat, supposedly not a member) and will support and campaign for whomever is to be crowned by the owners of the party. Winkwinknudgenudge.
Then come out authentic documents confirming that the DNC performed a huge lot of dirty tricks, also against its own bylaws, to sabotage the guy at the primaries (i.e. after his effort to railroad those disgusted by the “2-party” comedy, members and not, back to the obedient fold) are crowned with an unexpectedly huge success.
Mr Sanders doesn’t say squat. Or rather, he says a huge lot supporting, and campaigning for, the blood-dripping Democrat Harpy, already on the record as willing to unleash WWIII. His untiring efforts to “support the Democratic nominee” are now credited with a very significant part of the vote that went to the Harpy by all well-informed non-DNC commenters. A lot of the naive, well-intentioned suckers who supported Sanders do revolt — he calls them to order and orders them to vote for “the Democratic nominee”. A lot of them obey, of course. After all, they are liberals.

All this does not mean that Sanders didn’t realize a huge effort. He did, and that’s why he was so effective with his nauseating sabotage. No need to remind us of the size of that effort to deviate a huge people potential into supporting again the single-party dictatorship.

All this was predicted because there is past form, as written by the much lamented Bruce Dixon already on March 7, 2015. repeat, 2015:

Start quote—————
‘The sheepdog is a card the Democratic party plays every presidential primary season when there’s no White House Democrat running for re-election.’

Spoiler alert: we have seen the Bernie Sanders show before, and we know exactly how it ends. Bernie has zero likelihood of winning the Democratic nomination for president over Hillary Clinton. Bernie will lose, Hillary will win. When Bernie folds his tent in the summer of 2016, the money, the hopes and prayers, the year of activist zeal that folks put behind Bernie Sanders’ either vanishes into thin air, or directly benefits the Hillary Clinton campaign.

Don’t believe us? Then believe Bernie himself interviewed by George Stephanopoulos on ABC News “This Week” May 3.
STEPHANOPOULOS: So if you lose in this nomination fight, will you support the Democratic nominee?
SANDERS: Yes. I have in the past.
STEPHANOPOULOS: Not going to run as an independent?
SANDERS: No, absolutely not. I’ve been very clear about that.

Bernie Sanders is this election’s Democratic sheepdog. The sheepdog is a card the Democratic party plays every presidential primary season when there’s no White House Democrat running for re-election. The sheepdog is a presidential candidate running ostensibly to the left of the establishment Democrat to whom the billionaires will award the nomination. Sheepdogs are herders, and the sheepdog candidate is charged with herding activists and voters back into the Democratic fold who might otherwise drift leftward and outside of the Democratic party, either staying home or trying to build something outside the two party box.”
—————————-
End quote. Worth pondering, if you want to think a little.
As for “lesser evil” play, that’s the best way to ensure the continuation, year in year out, of the Single War Party. Stop asking for recommendations: that’s the only thing everyone knows for sure. And stop threatening with more years of Trump: they have been just the continuation of the same Ziocon rule we’ve had for so many years. It’s just as bad as under Obama, I’ll give you that, but a threat it is not. It’s just the same.
Who has a “realistic” chance of winning a figurehead post at the beck and call of the Alphabet Soup and the Owners of the Country is of no relevance to me. Burying your goddam party is the necessary condition for achieving anything.

Keith
Keith on November 15, 2019, 2:31 pm

NELLE- “… the great Israeli-Jewish dissident Israel Shahak….”

Author of the book “Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of Three Thousand Years” which I continue to highly recommend.

Tom Suarez
Tom Suarez on November 15, 2019, 2:27 pm

Interesting that the app had a security flaw (?) revealing email addresses (allegedly fixed)…
https://theintercept.com/2017/06/30/israel-propaganda-hasbara-app-security-flaw-rallyware-maccabee/

Keith
Keith on November 15, 2019, 2:25 pm

TONY GREENSTEIN- “It was President Truman and the imperialists of the Democrats who were responsible for the birth of this bastard state .”

Is there no end to the machinations of the evil Gentiles? Herzl a cipher, Ben Gurion a US State Department asset? The World Zionist Organization circa 1947 weak, disorganized and underfunded, the Rothschild family barely scraping by? Jewish Zionists reluctant transplants to Palestine, wanting to get along with their Arab brothers but forced to be American proxy forces? Jews unfairly blamed for the creation of the Jewish state? Since I doubt that you are engaging in over-the-top self-parody, my advice to you is to get some therapy!

Ossinev
Ossinev on November 15, 2019, 1:45 pm

@MDM
“Yeah The Guardian has now taken the silly letter down from its headlines. I guess even they realise that not one single person is going to change their voting intentions because of what Dan Snow or Joanna Lumley thinks.”

Scratch the surface of some these Corbyn/Anti – Semitism scams and it is fascinating what you find eg:
https://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/national-treasure-joanna-lumley-condemns-cultural-boycotts-of-israel/

Apparently she hates “barriers” and “walls” but bless her she makes an exception for the Zionist Separation Wall and of course the endless fixed and flexible “barriers” which the Zios have constructed and continue to construct to intimidate and terrorise the native Palestinian population.

Leaves a sour taste in the mouth. All that humanitarian work for the Nepalis but when it comes to the Palestinians SFA. From “national treasure” to “national hypocrite” in the blink of a letter.

As for Dan Snow similarly a write off. At least his father`s cousin the news broadcaster Jon Snow retains some of the family honour.:
https://www.channel4.com/news/by/jon-snow/blogs/bring-israelis-palestinians

genesto
genesto on November 15, 2019, 1:26 pm

Oh, and to your point of whether he ‘intends’ to get elected, I’m perplexed. Has he not shown enough of a commitment to you, spending more time and energy campaigning across the country than any other candidate, to WIN the presidency, not just advance a progressive agenda? Do you have any idea of the size of his organization that he has built since 2016? I do, since I work with it as a volunteer.

Believe me, he wanted very much to win in 2016, and wants very much to win next year!

genesto
genesto on November 15, 2019, 1:20 pm

Let me rephrase. Bernie is the CLOSEST THING to a real progressive among the field of candidates who have ANY REAL CHANCE of winning the presidency. I’ve expressed my feelings about Bernie a number of times on this site. I’m not entirely satisfied with a number of his positions, including his liberal Zionist position on this issue and his still insufficient support for ending our commitment to endless war throughout the world. But, he continues to improve on these issues, and am convinced that he is basically a decent person who will continue to evolve as he has in the last 3-4 years.

I would ask you what is the alternative – a ‘statement’ vote for the Green Party candidate, or another fringe candidate, or simply not voting at all? I think we should all recognize the danger Trump poses to our country if he’s given another 4 years in office, and do everything we can next year to help avoid that tragedy. A certain amount of pragmatism needs to be embraced now to save our nation from the scourge of Trump!

JaapBo
JaapBo on November 15, 2019, 1:18 pm

I completely agree!

Mooser
Mooser on November 15, 2019, 1:14 pm

“And crows What about me. What about us.”

Zionism is trolling. Trolling is the only form of communication known to Zionism. No matter who they are talking to.

genesto
genesto on November 15, 2019, 1:10 pm

“Illegal strategy of Israeli racism and ethnic cleansing” would have been a more appropriate title for this presentation.

Harvard, once again, should be ashamed of itself for allowing such a travesty on its hallowed campus. But, what would you expect from a university which, just 6 years ago, had Alan Dershowitz as its most ‘honored’ law school professor!

Mooser
Mooser on November 15, 2019, 1:09 pm

“Apparently you didn’t get the memo. Marxism is dead.”

How on earth does “Marxism” enter into it, “Jackdaw”?
You figure the Palestinians are backed by COMINTERN?

Mooser
Mooser on November 15, 2019, 1:03 pm

“the history of how the Zionists turned around Truman.”

The “ouch” you hear is your argument’s foot. You just shot at it, and didn’t miss.

Mooser
Mooser on November 15, 2019, 12:55 pm

“The tweet comes with a short video clip showing a bottle of wine with a yellow star of david label & print: Jude.”

I wonder how it will do at this year’s DWWA?