I keep urging an open discussion in the U.S. of rightwing Jewish ideas about an undivided Jerusalem because they are so politically important; they made Doug Feith. Here is one such expression, from Richard L. Cravatts, a Zionist academic writing on George Mason University’s site, and addressing Israel’s enemies:
Though Jerusalem is mentioned not once in the
Koran and over 669 times in the Jewish Bible, you claim that Jerusalem
is now the “third holiest site to Muslims,” that, as Yasser Arafat
announced at Camp David in 2000, the Temple Mount was never a Jewish
site, that Jews now “occupy” Muslim lands, and that the archeological
and historical evidence that confirms an uninterrupted 3000-year
presence by Jews in the Holy Land is merely a “construct”…
I wonder how many Americans really want the bible to guide foreign policy…. Does John McCain? Eric Cantor?
'I wonder how many Americans really want the bible to guide foreign policy' This is the whole crux of the matter.Israel and Iran are both theocratic states. The religious law is enshrined in their constitutions.The power of the religious extends worldwide, it is so much stronger than most of us realize, seemingly omnipotent, even dictating foreign policy. And so often associated with wars.Nowadays maybe it is naive to consider ourselves as secular democracies.
They do want to acknowledge historic connection to the land.
Do you consider that important?
Israel has no Constitution, nor does it have borders–its a state of mine, paid for by American blood, sweat, and tears. Never has bad poetry cost so much to non-poets.
Ethnic Ashkenazim have no historical or ancestral connection to Palestine any more than any other E. Europeans.
In Stolen or Occupied Palestine, ethnic Ashkenazi interlopers are murderous genocidal thieves and invaders.
The Quran has numerous references to Jerusalem while the Christian Bible has many more than the Jewish bible.
Eastern European Christians obviously would have had no more right to steal Palestine than Eastern European Jews, but Palestinians unlike modern Jews are the descendants of the ancient populations of the Greco-Roman Judean kingdoms and the Palestinian province.
Witty is just another Jewish Nazi engaged in essentialist primordialist rationalization of Jewish crimes in every way comparable to those of the German Nazis.
See Followup (II): Origins of Modern Jewry and work through the threads.
Ernest Renan: A Nation … Presupposes a Past discusses the fabrication of a Jewish national identity by racist ethnic Ashkenazi ideologues.
I actually do want the principles of the ten commandments, and love thy neighbor as thyself to guide foreign policy.
They are self-evident principles.
Don't you?
I am not a scholar but I am going to say this anyway. Please anyone challenge me. Victimhood is a foundational tenet of the Jewish religion of today. The religion that Jews, secular or not, follow. The Old Testament is story after story of the sufferings of the Jewish people. These stories obviously were composed for some purposeof the time and place yet they are largely taken as fact by all the Jews that I know. Then of course the terrible sufferings of Jews at the hands of Christians throughout the centuries. Can we agree there is a theme here? For a moment leave aside the temptation to debate how true this is, or whether other peoples have also suffered, or whether they deserved it in retaliation , or whatever. The theme is Jewish suffering. Constant suffering that requires them to stick together against all others. This suffering is a badge. How healthy is this? Is this an adaptive stance in life? Do you want to raise your children with the idea that they have a grievance they must never forget? Some scholar a few years back got into a lot of hot water because he said Judaism was not a world religion. I understand now why he said it. Judaism does not offer a universal message. No doubt there are genuine spiritual values embedded in there somewhere but you don't here about them. Think for a moment about the results of having grievance be your foundational value in life. I come up with resentment, paranoia, entitlement of various types.
Think of the stories they tell each other of anti-semitism. I have seen some of the fundraising literature and I am sure I don't know the half of it. The victimhood theme is the glue, the driver, the raison d'etre.
I apologize to Jews if what I am saying offends them. Please straighten me out if I am wrong.
Read the stories Peter. See if its about being a victim.
Who said that when the Jews left Judea they should have left a singn behind saying: "JEWISH PROPERTY – WE WILL RETURN IN 2000 YEARS"?
Well, we had a little problem in Europe with the krauts. maybe you remember something about it.
It looks as if they're following it in regards to the treatment of Palestinian children.
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Psalm 137:9
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New American Standard Bible (©1995)
How blessed will be the one who seizes and dashes your little ones Against the rock.
GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
Blessed is the one who grabs your little children and smashes them against a rock.
King James Bible
Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.
American King James Version
Happy shall he be, that takes and dashes your little ones against the stones.
American Standard Version
Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones Against the rock.
Bible in Basic English
Happy is the man who takes your little ones, crushing them against the rocks.
Douay-Rheims Bible
Blessed be he that shall take and dash thy little ones against the rock.
Darby Bible Translation
Happy he that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the rock.
English Revised Version
Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the rock.
Webster's Bible Translation
Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.
World English Bible
Happy shall he be, who takes and dashes your little ones against the rock.
Young's Literal Translation
O the happiness of him who doth seize, And hath dashed thy sucklings on the rock!
Witty, I have read the Old Testament. It's about whether the Jews are going to hang on to the land God promised them. There is a lot of smiting.
Go ahead and tell me what the Jewish religion is about. I'm listening.
And I offer a general apology for my misspellings and general bad writing. I need to do better at proofreading.
Lance, you forgot to mention the big guy, Samir ( head crusher ) Kuntar. What of him.
Peters:
The New Testament has a lot of love thy neighbor stuff in it.. You guys fell a little short of the mark on that one didn't you.
The Koran is all blood and fire. That one they follow to the letter.
Looks to me like everyone mentioned fell a little short of the mark. Still do. Do not onto others what you would not want to have done onto you.
Means and ends are always a matter of time. The ultimate lesson of the Torah? Elaborated on by the New Testament?
Kuntar was a teen-ager from the region at the time of his notorious act. How old was Doctor Goldstein? Where did he come from?
Purim: Do the masks and costumes conceal who the participants are, or reveal their true selves?
What's the core difference, if any, between Halloween and Purim?