A further sign of Israel's isolation. Compelling video of a basketball game in Barcelona on Thursday, featuring a Tel Aviv team, where many Palestinian supporters rushed the court with flags, disrupting the game. Watch the cheerleaders run for the exits…
As the New Republic and John Mearsheimer say, "true friends" of Israel need to reach out now to try and save this society, including from its own siege mentality… Here, for instance, is Abe Foxman decrying a "pandemic" of antisemitic violence worldwide. There are a few incidents of violence cited; truly lamentable. The difficulty here of course is the massacre of 410 children. Foxman approved that violence.
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Phil, you are a jackass. The term "massacre" has connotations of deliberate mass murder. This is nothing of the kind and you damned well know it. Want to come up with a significant war where kids didn't get killed? Other than Grenada, where they surrendered immediately, I can't think of any.
WWII Germany and Japan, lots of their kids got killed. Come to think of it, very few American kids got killed. Does that make the Americans the bad guys?
You demonstrate your anti-Semitism by harping on the unavoidable consequences of fighting a terrorist enemy while ignoring every real genocide going on in the world today. In a world where actual massacres of kids are happening, with machetes, your whole focus is on kids that got killed by accident in a legitimate and necessary act of self defense.
Let's see, is it because the kids are Muslims or Arabs? Nope, your ilk doesn't care when Indians kill Muslims, and you don't care when Arabs kill Arabs or Muslims kill Muslims.
Go examine you motives. The only reason you give a damn about these kids is because it is Jews doing the killing, though not deliberately.
BTW, nice schadenfreude there about the cheerleaders running for the exits. Because it's not like Israeli athletes (and bystanders) have ever been subject to terrorist attack in other countries. Douchebag.
Great video. The world is making itself heard.
The real world supports Israel. The propaganda world sucks for Arab oil.
Abe Foxman asks us to assume that complaints about Israel's actions are anti-Semitic.
No sane person can adopt that point-of-view.
If Israel is a country, wants to be a country, then it must act like one. And that includes complaints about its actions.
For new people on this site, Thom, Suzanne, Chris Berel, and Eurosabra are our trolls.
@MRW
Really? I thought you and the rest of the white-hood and sheet brigade here were the trolls.
If the world were a perfect place and only Israel ever killed anyone, then complaints about Israel killing Palestinians wouldn't be anti-Semitic. In the real world, most of the people who complain about Israel never say anything about the real human rights abuses and genocides in the world.
Gee, I wonder why those people only care about killing when it is Jews doing the killing?
Got an alternate explanation, sheethead?
Why should anybody have an alternate explanation for a state of affairs that exists only in your febrile fantasy world?
Can I ask you again, Thom, as an American, how much time you spend on the internet defending every aspect of the domestic, foreign and military policy of your own country and pouring poisonous abuse on those who demur?
I see Bernard is as much a failure as Philip. When stymied, he tries to subvert the argument.
Good try cheese head. Now try again.
Ok I'll try again. Chris/Thom or whatever you wish to call yourself, as an American, how much time you spend on the internet defending every aspect of the domestic, foreign and military policy of your own country and pouring poisonous abuse on those who demur?
Very little time. There is very little that needs to be done to defend the majority of actions by the US. Those not worth defending, I don't defend.
Those that demur do so politely without racist comments such as yours.
Rowan, martin, bernie, eva, or whatever you wish to call yourself.
It doesn't have to be this way … pariah, I mean.
@Bernie
As for me, if I see America unjustly accused of atrocities or mass murder, I will happily spend at least as much time defending against that as I do against accusations against Israel.
If it makes you feel better, I have spent quite a lot of time arguing that the Hiroshima and Nagasaki attacks were necessary. Briefly, even after the bombings, and with the Russians invading their empire, the Japanese ruling body was still deadlock tied about whether to surrender. Without the bombs, forget it.
However, I have not seen mainstream media totaling up the body count on any recent American war and saying X number of kids were "massacred" or even that X number of kids were killed. Despite the fact that the number of kids accidentally killed by America in either Iraq or Afghanistan is certainly far larger than the number of kids killed by Israel in the recent Gaza war.
For new people on this site, Thom, Suzanne, Chris Berel, and Eurosabra are our trolls.
Posted by: MRW
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Agreed.
Thom,
Dropping nuclear bombs on 2 major population centers in Japan was completely unnecessary and immoral.
The Japanese were already defeated, they had no way to defend their island, and had made overtures to the Americans for their surrender. But they could not accept seeing their emperor, who they viewed as a deity, as a prisoner. We refused to allow him to stay in power and dropped the 2 bombs, killing hundreds of thousands of civilians. In the end, Japanese surrender with the emperor remaining in power was accepted. I can't help but think that a message was being sent to the rest of the world about the power of the nuclear bomb and about our own rising status as a superpower.
Ana, you can't rewrite history. Regardless of the paper defeat, the Japanese were still mobilizing to defend their home to the death. The casualties would have been in the millions, mostly civilian.
Exactly. Before the bombs, the Japanese were beaten militarily, but they were not defeated. They had not reached a point where they would end the war.
The U.S. was faced with a land invasion of a fanatical people who were getting ready to fight to the last person. It was only when the bombs dropped and they realized that their position was hopeless that they were willing to surrender.
Even then, the ruling body was tied. The Emperor broke the tie, which in and of itself was an unprecedented event, since the Emperor traditionally did not make that kind of decision.
BTW, the Japanese surrender with the Emperor remaining in power was not the only condition they tried to place on their surrender.
The Allies demanded and received the surrender of the Japanese without those additional conditions.
BTW, anyone interested in the history of WWII should read the Potsdam Declaration. I have never seen a more terrifyingly clear ultimatum. It ends with the call for unconditional surrender and says "the alternative for Japan is prompt and utter destruction." The Japanese Prime Minister announced that the Japanese would ignore the Potsdam Declaration.
They were still ignoring it three days after Hiroshima. At which point they were already aware of what had happened.
So another reason we can be sure both bombs were necessary is that they didn't surrender once the first one dropped.
There are only two ways that a war can end: both sides can agree to stop fighting, or one side can wipe out the other to the last person.
No matter how outmatched a warring nation is, they will still be a danger to the citizens of the other nation if they do not agree to stop fighting.
It's not exactly rocket science (pun intended) if you are a weak power, don't pick a fight with a strong one.
If you do pick a fight, don't whine about the consequences when you lose.
Waaa, they took our land in the West Bank and Gaza away just because we started a war to try to exterminate them. Waaa.
Waaa, they devastated our city just because we fired thousands of rockets at their cities. Waaa.
Waaa, they killed our civilians just because we used them as human shields to attack from behind. Waaa.