What I have urged more than anything else in the Israel lobby discussion is: discussion! Because only with open discussion can the true extent of the Israel lobby be understood. Chas Freeman's ouster has had a huge effect, of course. A week or so back David Rothkopf published a vicious attack on Walt and Mearsheimer at Foreign Policy suggesting the lobby is a figment of their gentile imaginations. Below, Jerry Slater, a friend of this site who has published his own critique of Walt and Mearsheimer and is distinguished for practicing the new history of Israel/Palestine in our country, leaps to the scholars' defense re Rothkopf. An ardent, sincere, and moving argument. Slater:
In the year and a half since the publication of John Mearsheimer’s and Stephen Walt’s Israel Lobby, the attacks on the book’s main arguments as well as personal attacks on its authors have intensified–even as Israeli policies and behavior towards the Palestinians have become more disastrous than ever, and even as the lobby demonstrated its muscle in its successful effort to induce Obama to abandon support for the appointment of Charles Freeman as Director of the National Intelligence Council.
The most recent such attack—and in a number of ways perhaps the nadir of all of them, at least for now–was David Rothkopf”s March 12 column on the Foreign Policy web site, “Why Freeman Was Wrong Himself About What His Defeat Signified.” Oddly, Rothkopf begins by admitting what is obvious to almost everyone else, that the Freeman affair “offered apparent support to the ‘theories’ of Stephen Walt and John Mearsheimer…there is no doubt that a small group of virulent supporters of Israel were at the heart of the movement to undo Freeman” (emphasis in original), and that this group was “very effective in getting its message out and in mobilizing some in the government…to become their advocates.”
Rothkopf continues: Thanks to the efforts of this group and “the mob mentality [it] generated…it was impossible for [Freeman] to assume the role for which he was nominated,” the consequence of which was that “a great disservice [was] done to Freeman and to the U.S. government….When political leaders cave to the sentiments of the electronic mob…[they] debase the process and rob the government of the diversity of perspectives it needs.”
It is hard to see how Mearsheimer and Walt themselves could have made a stronger case for the power of the Israel lobby. “I have really been struggling with that issue for the past few days myself,” Rothkopf admits, “wondering whether it was time to acknowledge that perhaps Walt was right.” However, he manages to fight off this thought, and concludes that the incident would not change his view of the Mearsheimer/Walt argument. To be sure, for several reasons even the Freeman incident does not by itself conclusively demonstrate the accuracy of the full Israel lobby thesis. Even so, one might think that if the incident came so close to convincing Rothkopf, by his own admission, that the Mearsheimer-Walt argument was right, there is a certain inconsistency in attacking the authors of the argument as cynical and dishonest hacks.
Rothkopf makes a number of charges against Mearsheimer and Walt’s argument in the Israel Lobby, among them “the notion that support for Israel comes from a monolithic group rather than one that is not only ethnically…and otherwise diverse but one that holds a variety of nuanced views on a host of issues regarding Israel and the Middle East;” that the book implies that “those who support Israel are necessarily twisted by dual loyalties into positions that undermine the interest of the United States;” that the authors believe that “normal behavior in a democracy is somehow sinister for one group when it is healthy for others;” and that the book attacks the motives of those who lobby in support of Israel rather than focusing on the merits of the alternative policies that Mearsheimer and Walt advocate.
I am hardly an uncritical enthusiast of the Mearsheimer/Walt argument; in fact I have just published a long article in Security Studies which contains a number of significant criticisms of the Israel Lobby —among them that the authors define the lobby too broadly; that the lobby’s obvious power in Congress is not always matched by its power over the executive branch or over public opinion; that typically its power over official policy derives less from its ability to force the government to do what it wants than from arguments that (rightly or wrongly, usually the latter) influence policy makers in the executive branch; that Mearsheimer and Walt do not give sufficient emphasis to the cases in which the lobby fails to get its way, and more.
Nonetheless, Rothkopf’s charges are all false, indicating that he hasn’t actually read the Israel Lobby, or that he misunderstands its arguments, or that he chooses to misrepresent them. For example, Mearsheimer and Walt do not attack the motives or the loyalties of the lobby and its supporters, nor their right to lobby for their preferred policies. Moreover, they specifically deny—repeatedly, and at length–that the lobby is monolithic, that supporters of Israel knowingly give priority to Israel’s interests over those of the United States, or that the lobby’s behavior is inconsistent with democracy. And Rothkopf’s statement that Mearsheimer and Walt fail to argue the merits of U.S. policies towards Israel is particularly absurd, since close to half the book is devoted precisely to long, highly-detailed case studies in which the authors persuasively criticize the substance of U.S. policies towards Israel and in the Middle East generally.
There are other oddities, shall we say, in the Rothkopf attack. For example, it is not clear what he means when he complains that Walt’s commentary on the Freeman case is “laden with a list of co-conspirators with names so Jewish that I could hardly read it without cringing.” Is Rothkopf cringing because he is ashamed to see Jews playing the role of hatchet men to prevent serious critics of Israeli policies from serving in important government roles, or is he cringing because he thinks that Walt’s references to the anti-Freeman leaders demonstrates his anti-Semitism—even though, in fact, all or almost all the leading opponents of Freeman were in fact Jewish?
In another puzzling assertion, Rothkopf writes that the Israel lobby argument “indicts the motives associated with a whole class of ideas enabling them to be dismissed before they are fairly considered.” Maybe I’m missing something here, but this seems to be saying it is “pro-Israeli” views that can’t get a fair hearing in this country rather than those of Israel’s critics. Rothkopf appears to be thinking of a different planet.
Mearsheimer and Walt hardly need my help in pointing out that Rothkopf’s and many other criticisms of their argument are false, if not pernicious; indeed, they have effectively done so many times. It’s a different matter, perhaps, when it comes to ad hominum attacks, particularly Rothkopf’s. Consider what is clearly the heart of Rothkopf’s attack on Mearsheimer and Walt:
They may not be anti-Semites themselves [meaning: they may be] but they made a cynical decision to cash in on anti-Semitism by offering to dress up old hatreds in the dowdy Brooks Brothers suits of the Kennedy School and the University of Chicago. They did what the most desperate members of academia do, they signed up to be rent-a-validators, akin to expert witnesses who support the defense of felons with specious theories served up on fancy diplomas…. In reality they were giving one crowd in particular precisely what it wanted to hear.
In nearly fifty years in this profession, I cannot recall seeing in a professional publication a more defamatory, demagogic, and irresponsible passage. Mearsheimer and Walt, two of our most prestigious academicians (ranked fifth and twenty-second, respectively, in a survey of international relations scholars having the greatest impact in their field), chaired professors at two of the world’s greatest universities, are either personally anti-Semitic or cynical hacks who decided to “cash in” on anti-Semitism– presumably meaning to advance their careers, if not to become rich.
Perhaps I may be in a better position to respond to this attack than Mearsheimer and Walt, and not merely because I have my own criticisms of The Israel Lobby. Unlike Walt and Mearsheimer, I’m Jewish, which may make it somewhat more difficult to charge me with anti-Semitism—though of course not impossible, since there is always the self-hating Jew gambit. Moreover, as a former Fulbright lecturer at Haifa University, and once a volunteer to serve in the Israeli navy, it presumably is also slightly more difficult to charge me with being “anti-Israel.”
Second, since I am merely a member of the academic middle class with no connection to either Harvard’s Kennedy School or Chicago’s political science department, I cannot be considered to be a Brooks Brothers suit-wearing member of what Rothkopf, apparently having failed to look up the names of the faculty at those institutions, hilariously seems to believe is a preserve of a stuffy Wasp academic aristocracy.
Finally– and by no means least–while it may be beneath the dignity of Walt and Mearsheimer to respond to Rothkopf’s vicious personal attack, it is certainly not beneath mine.
Rothkopf’s attack on the motives of Walt and Mearsheimer is made without even a hint of evidence to support it. Apparently, Rothkopf thinks evidence is irrelevant, a fault that is hardly uncommon among those who cannot abide serious criticism of Israeli and U.S. policies. Indeed, since his entire piece is full of self-referential comments—“Believe me,” “I know for a fact,” “My problem is,” “I’m ok with that,” “Freeman I can forgive, Walt, not”—Rothkopf apparently expects readers to accept his charges merely on his say-so.
Perhaps the most important point is that there are larger issues at stake here. In the course of my lifetime the United States has gone from being a country in which anti-Semitism was significant to one which has been more welcoming and rewarding to Jews, in every way, than perhaps any other in history. The danger of playing the anti-Semitic card when Israel or the actions of its see-no-evil Jewish supporters are subject to perfectly legitimate criticism is not just that it is morally and intellectually disreputable to do so, but that irresponsible rants such as Rothkopf’s might eventually undermine our remarkable position.
Related posts:
- Rothkopf: ‘odiousness’ of Gaza has weakened U.S. support for Israel
- Dershowitz used to say that Walt is an antisemite. Now he doesn’t. Why?
- Obama Surrogate Calls Walt & Mearsheimer ‘Specious, Dangerous, Venomous.’ Well At Least They’re Not Bitter.
- Yivo Owes Walt and Mearsheimer an Apology. Or a Stage
- AJC’s David Harris sure seems to be running away from debate with Mearsheimer and Walt






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israel lobby vs "israel lobby". Commentary and co acknowledge the first was instrumental in getting rid of freeman, but deny the latter was or that it even exists. meanwhile, they are the exact same thing. imagine if your morality allowed you to justify an obvious lie like this to yourself? that's why their combination of high 5 ing and denial is strange to normal people.
Thanks, Phil and Prof. Jerome Slater.
Rothkopf: Walt's list is
“laden with a list of co-conspirators with names so Jewish that I could hardly read it without cringing.”
Prof. Slater, you have the courage to make the point that even Jon Stewart and Larry Wilmore only hinted at the other night:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=220592&title=The-New-White-Face-of-Crime
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Rothkopf’s attack on Mearsheimer and Walt:
“They may not be anti-Semites themselves [meaning: they may be] but they made a cynical decision to cash in on anti-Semitism by offering to dress up old hatreds in the dowdy Brooks Brothers suits of the Kennedy School and the University of Chicago. They did what the most desperate members of academia do, they signed up to be rent-a-validators, akin to expert witnesses who support the defense of felons with specious theories served up on fancy diplomas…. In reality they were giving one crowd in particular precisely what it wanted to hear.”
In nearly fifty years in this profession, I cannot recall seeing in a professional publication a more defamatory, demagogic, and irresponsible passage. Mearsheimer and Walt, two of our most prestigious academicians (ranked fifth and twenty-second, respectively, in a survey of international relations scholars having the greatest impact in their field), chaired professors at two of the world’s greatest universities, are either personally anti-Semitic or cynical hacks who decided to “cash in” on anti-Semitism– presumably meaning to advance their careers, if not to become rich.
Thanks, Jerry, for your defense of Walt and Mearsheimer:
"Rothkopf’s attack on the motives of Walt and Mearsheimer is made without even a hint of evidence to support it."
"The danger of playing the anti-Semitic card when Israel or the actions of its see-no-evil Jewish supporters are subject to perfectly legitimate criticism is not just that it is morally and intellectually disreputable to do so, but that irresponsible rants such as Rothkopf’s might eventually undermine our remarkable position."
Could this be what people like Rothkopf need? How else could he be [so willfully] blind to the career-blighting effects of academics' criticizing Israeli government-Likud-Zionist policies, or that of its lobbies?
thought you might be interested is seeing this, which possibly falls under the rubric 'by their friends shall ye know them!'
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1237392661225&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
"I’m Jewish, which may make it somewhat more difficult to charge me with anti-Semitism….it presumably is also slightly more difficult to charge me with being “anti-Israel."
The worst thing about the anti-Semitism charge is how the term is diluted from its abuse.
The second worst thing is the "second-class" position Gentiles have in this discussion. We're always scrutinized for anti-semitism and our positions are more easily attacked on a personal level.
I'm really tired of that. I shouldn't have to fear to engage a political discussion f this importance or be relegated to a second-class tier because I am not Jewish. As an American, this issue is extremely important, and the stratification here is awful.
is this true?
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20090320/twl-israeli-army-t-shirts-mock-gaza-kill-3fd0ae9.html
Yes, it is true!
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072466.html
Listen folks…..
DO NOT REACT to the anti semite charge. Just DON'T REACT.
LAUGH AT IT – IGNORE IT.
Every time you react you let them change the subject from Israel to anti semitism and you lose.
Every time you let them draw you into talking about "jewish peoplehood' ad nausum instead of what they are actually doing to Palestine and the US right now you lose.
All we need to change the US relationship with Israel is for what the zionist and Israel have done to the US to become common knowledge among the public and the time is ripe right now.
Go to goggle and put in 'US guarantees Israel government bonds' or any combination thereof and you will get years and years and example upon example of the billions upon billions Jews have sucked out of the US for Israel.
These examples are FACT, the money sucked out of the American people by jews and our own congress for Israel is fact…it isn't debatable.
The public has no idea of the trillions stolen from American taxpayers by ..no idea at all.
If the public actually saw the amounts and the under handed ways congress uses legisation to give Israel our money above and beyond the publically known 3 billion in aid there would a jewish and congressional holocaust tomorrow.
Go on, learn something…research it for yourself…what you learn will make you sick to your stomach.
"I’m Jewish, which may make it somewhat more difficult to charge me with anti-Semitism….it presumably is also slightly more difficult to charge me with being “anti-Israel."
Oh, sure! Jewish by an "accident of birth" or "conversion". Just a "bagel-and-a-smear-Jew". Judaism can only be proven by devotion to the cause of Zionism!
It's the what-have-you-done-for-Zionism-lately criteria for Jewishness. The quotes are from a commenters comments directed at me, last night or so.
So, being Jewish does not, in any way, insulate you from that attack, and in fact, makes it hurt much worse, by the way. It hurts and it always will. Thank God it's made with such crudity and as the result of such obvious emotional and moral difficulties, but it still hurts. That's why it is very hard not to be distracted by it.
But I'll tell you what the upshot will be, because I am already seeing it. And accusation of "anti-semitism" will bring the reply; "yeah, I am a little, and so what? Go tell your Mommy" (or similiar)
Like American says, they will cheapen the accusation into nothing.
Which is sort of funny, considering it was the right-wing types Zionists are in bed with who started that process by cheapening the accusations of racial bogotry. You know, that whole "You are racist if you don't tolerate my intolerance" thing the right-wing built into a coarse rhetorical art.
Mooser,
L'Shana Ha'Ba'ah B'Seattle?
Kol tuv,
Eurosabra
Mooser,
Look out!! It looks like you're getting under Eurosabrina's skin!!
Say it in English, you coward!
PM
Brooks Brothers attack by W & M? LOL
When's the last time a preppie was a hero or anti-hero in a Hollywood movie?
The Way We Were? And that was long ago, and itself portrayed a time past within the film for its nuance.
Gosh, it really is not the late 1930's, honest.
Dreyfus is over. When Pollard was put in prison in the USA for giving US security secrets in behalf Israel, did you hear
a groundswell as in old France, crying out "Kill The Jews?"
Bush did not pardon him, does that make Bush an anti-semite?
Did people in the USA rise up in grassroots anger when the Rosenbergs came to light?
How many pogroms has the USA had? Did US Grant commit any?
And that was during are only civil war.
Slater didn't particularly defend Walt and Mearsheimer. He criticized them and their thesis significantly.
He just thought that Rothkopf's criticisms were of their caricature rather than of their content.
I doubt that a majority of people that claim to support Walt/Mearsheimer's thesis even know it accurately.
are=our
I hope they know it better than you when you criticized it so often at one point in time on this blog, Witty–back when you were just parroting the basher's–have you read it yet?
I do not evaluate ideas on the basis of the ethnicity of the originator, but I believe Walt is at least part Jewish. As Jeffrey Goldberg, Another Walt, Obsession indicates, Walt is often viewed as a Jewish name.
For a short time period FSG tried to market The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy as a Jewish book.
In Freeman, American Naiveté, Israel Lobby I explain that E. European and Russian studies experts often discuss political movements comparable to Zionism by using the terminology of conspiracy. Zionism is nothing if not E. European and Russian in geographic origin.
In The Magnes Zionist: The Times on the Gaza War Crimes I try to explain Zionism and the Lobby in the form of fable.
*RE: "his entire piece is full of self-referential comments—“Believe me,” “I know for a fact,” “My problem is,” “I’m ok with that,” “Freeman I can forgive, Walt, not”—Rothkopf apparently expects readers to accept his charges merely on his say-so."
*SEE: "The Authoritarians" (261 pages), by Bob Altemeyer, Department of Psychology, University of Manitoba
Chapter 1 – Who Are the Authoritarian Followers?
Chapter 2 – The Roots of Authoritarian Aggression, and Authoritarianism Itself
Chapter 3 – How Authoritarian Followers Think
Chapter 4 – Authoritarian Followers and Religious Fundamentalism
Chapter 5 – Authoritarian Leaders
Chapter 6 – Authoritarianism and Politics
Chapter 7 – What's To Be Done?
*FREE PDF DOWNLOAD – http://members.shaw.ca/jeanaltemeyer/drbob/TheAuthoritarians.pdf
>>>>>"Like American says, they will cheapen the accusation into nothing.
Posted by: Mooser | March 20, 2009 at 04:10 PM >>>>>>
Yep, it's already been cheapened. Which might not be a bad thing. I said before that I think the term anti semitism should be dropped in favor of just using the universal "bigot" description to apply to all discrimination and hate.
The best thing that could happen to the Jews is to take anti semitism away from them as their 'special' thing and put hatred of jews in the same cagatory as all other types of racism or ethnic hatred or discrimination.
Theres no reason to give the jews a special catagory, just like the holocuast is not owned by the jews. There have been dozens of holocuast thruout history.
I can just about guarentee you that those who hate jews also hate blacks, Arabs,little brown people and all others different from them.
I can also guarentee you that jews who hate Arabs also hate Europeans, Gentiles and all other non jews.
Time to level the playing field and not give anyone an edge in the hate game. That would do away with a lot of hypocritics and hypocritical arguements.
Re "The Authoritarians" (261 pages), by Bob Altemeyer, Department of Psychology, University of Manitoba
I don't buy all this pseudo-psycho-analysis about "the authoritarian personality." People have been selling it to Merkins ever since the Frankfurt School came to NY. Divorced from its proper political context, which is Marxist, and transplanted into sub-Freudian liberal personality theory terms, it has no effect, that's why it's safe and acceptable.
Well of course, we must all be racists since we don't particularly subscribe to the case of "ethnic class superiority" offered by the astute AIPAC and its supporters- or should that be the "Avigdor Lieberman Lobby" I mean.
As Robert Dreyfuss and others have pointed out time & time again, it can only be of benefit for the community to hear other views other than the "AIPAC is right, everyone else is wrong" charge.
While there is a great deal of different backgrounds who have actually been to the occupied territories now and seen the real situation, and national security state, there is less of them openly speaking out in public about how their overall experience conflicts with the official AIPAC narrative.
I'm sure that is about to change very soon here, given the Lobby's almost childish use of slander words by claiming Americans or American Jews do not understand Israel better than they…..
One of the problems with playing the anti-Semitism card is that it will have diminishing returns for those who charge others with it. Old line WASPs, who used to dominate most American positions of power through the 1960's, are dwindling in number. If you consider Irish-Americans, Italian-Americans, and other white ethnics who can recall their grandparents moving to this country – they can rightfully point out that they were coming up in the U.S. at the same time as the Jews.
More recently, as Latinos and Asians take on more prominence, they may decide that the Middle East is taking up too much of our time, and redirect America's diplomatic energies elsewhere. Will Chinese and Indians making their way up the DC power ladder really care about who runs Jerusalem? Mexico is in the midst of a bloody drug war, and that does not get near as much press as the Middle East, despite being right next door, and us having a sizable Mexican population.
Israel is running out of time to draw up a satisfactory solution. Not just that there will soon be more Arabs than Jews in greater Israel, but that changing American demographics in the U.S. mean our attention will turn elsewhere, leaving Israel to fend for itself.
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