A taperecording of Nadia Matar’s call for the assassination of Mahmoud Abbas

Its sick.

Its also a violation of Torah, I wish someone would convey to them.

There is a segment of the Jewish community that is so indoctrinated that it is beyond any conscience in its anti-goyism.

I don't have any calls for assassination, but I describe some really offensive behavior in the following blog entries:

1. Jewish Bigotries at Interfaith Dialogue
2. The Inner (Screeching) Jew Incarnated
3. Collection: Wilders' Visit to Boston

Dear Ahmed,

As far as I can tell the USA has one set of laws for Jewish Zionists, one set of laws for African Americans, one set of laws for Muslims, and one set of laws for everyone else.

I address the issue in One Law for All Americans.

Can you imagine the hew and cry if it were a Gaza visitor at a NYC mosque called for assassination of Netanyahu? And asking for donations to help accomplish it?

CORRECTION: if it were a Gaza visitor at a NYC mosque calling for the assassination of Netanyahu?

MRW – that was my point on the last thread.. it was turned upside down by fenton, who rationalized it away… that is the level automatic supporters of israel have sunk to.. they are unable to acknowledge the ugliness of this ladies words..

Witty's criticism has a silver lining.

She's wrong because she deviates from/violates the teachings of the Torah. Not because she's saying crazy shit that is universally crazy. Doesn't matter whether she is a Jew or a Muslim or a Christian or whatever.

Idiotic/crazy bullshit like that is not exclusive. So rather than point that out, Witty touts the teachings of the Torah as if this is unusual. And when you figure in the lack of criticism from Witty, of Israel's DAILY, REGULAR, COMMONPLACE human rights abuses/etc. in the OT – is his concern really sincere?

No. It's just him being him.

The same Witty who says Hamas broke the ceasefire and that denies the effects of the blockade and Israel's purposeful escalation of said blockade. The same Witty who dismisses the numerous reports that prove that Israel planned the Gaza massacre months in advance. Etc. etc.

This nutcase Matar is bad for the Jews. So Witty – keeping in mind, that he (like other ZIonists) will consider his criticism carefully under the criteria of whether "it is good for the Jews" – will wag his finger at her.

Not very controversial to do so. Only the most idiotic ZIonist like Berel or Thom would cheer this retard on. She's an overtly insane rabid nationalist. She makes the extreme right in Israel (basically all the Israeli Jews) look bad to the people who matter (American elites). SO, once again, Witty will wag his finger.

She's not good for the Jews.

There is no risk, as its based on fact and Torah.

If I got more active, then there would be some risk. Consider the assassination of Rabin.

Its a commitment to peace and reconciliation rather than a commitment to retribution or dogmatism.

If a state, then the head of state should not be a target.

If not a state, then the question of whether someone is a terrorist is whether they adopt violence against civilians as their means of "dissent".

In Abbas' case, he is BOTH a head of state, and in addition has renounced violence as the means of reconciling differences with Israel that could be reconciled by prospectively other means.

Matar's comments are the rationalization that the "ends justify the means". It conflicts with the goal of democratic process "the means are the ends".

The reason that a conflict with Torah is important to one that asserts that they are acting from religious imperative, is a PRIMARY concept among orthodox is that Torah should NEVER be used as a rationalization for private or communal gain.

"God granted title to Israel unconditionally for all time", ignores the fact that a contract requires evidence from two parties, suitable to demonstrate to a reasonable person. As God is not a material being that can sign a paper, there can not possibly be sufficient evidence to prove to a third party of that specific contract.

So, the notion of permanent title is on a different level than material. Even if interpreted literally, there are portions of Torah that state that every element of the covenant is conditional. "If you keep my commandments, I will give you the rain in its time" and "if you fail to keep my commandments, I will disperse you like dust".

The literal commandment to do everything legal (multiple codes of what is legal is a problem) that one can to settle the land, is a different form.

In multiple respects it represents a materialization of God, an effective form of idolatry (a very grievous sin).

So, the intention to take the land by force or expropriation using Torah as rationale violates:

"Thou shalt have no other Gods before me"
"Thou shalt not kill"
"Thou shalt not steal"
"Thou shalt not covet the possession of thy neighbor"
"Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor"

There are fanatics that select and then rationalize portions of Koran to give permission to similarly steal, kill, idolize, though in violation of other sections of Koran.

Rigorous and sincere self-inquiry during and following study is the remedy.

That applies to all religious inspired, all dissenters, all peace-activists.

Peace and/or justice does NOT happen by decree or by anger.

witty, too bad zionism is based in direct opposition to this :"Thou shalt not kill"
"Thou shalt not steal"
"Thou shalt not covet the possession of thy neighbor"
"Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor"

i would like to think many israeli's would like to honour these commandments, but clearly people like nadia matar are not one of them….

Witty, your candor is appreciated. I will pay much closer attention to your positions from here on out — as opposed to Chris "Hasbara" Berel, who always has some way to twist reality.

Also, can someone please in Admin kindly ban the illiterate poster "Philipisanazifaf" who just freaked out on this website. He or she has nothing of substance to contribute to this open forum.

"Zionism's only solution is the final solution."
Posted by: MM |

Aren't Zionists tricky? I would never suspect that "MM" (sounds Jewish to me, for sure) is a Zionist! Why, it must be a Nazi, and I bet he's getting steam up in the locomotive pulling the boxcars as we speak! Off to the camps with us! If only we had listened to the Zionists!

"So, the intention to take the land by force or expropriation using Torah as rationale violates:…

Good for you Richard! I've been sure it wouldn't take you long to move to anti-Zionism. Humanitarianism demands it, and your intelligence and sense of personal responsibility, or desire not to debase yourself completely , for that matter, would win out.
Good for you!

Let's take a look at Zionism lately: Launching the Gaza Massacre during Hanukkah. Holding a Death Meeting in a synagogue. And then these assholes come here and announce that Phil is a Jew-hating Nazi. Wonderful. The implication here is that this sort of thing is just business as usual for Jews. Sure we plot murders here, that's what a synagogue is for. Sure we kill people on Hanukkah, that's just how Jews celebrates. It's a fundamental expression of our Jewishness. Only an antisemite would object.

It's a lovely smokescreen. And if the angry masses begin to burn down synagogues because they think this is what goes on in them, all the better right? Because then it confirms the Zionist thesis: The Goyim are just inbetween Jew-Killing cycles, send us money, we'll protect you.

Philipisanazifaf – I'm impressed, your arguments are very convincing! Where do I sign up for your cause?

I read somewhere that Jewish people have been measured to have a higher average IQ than the population as a whole. I wonder what a breakdown by Zionist and non-Zionist would look like. Witty, do the other people here on "your side" not embarrass you?

Naturally you advocate the same for Palestinians to be permitted to buy in Israel.

…best thing for the Jews would be the destruction of all synagogues. They have become Waco compounds for hebraic nut cases and laboratories for racism.

J Street is an arm of AIPAC.

This is the email that J Street sent me about this issue (it contained the action alert I posted above). There is something repugnant about the wording of this text – it's evident in at least three different places. I'm going to post it in full, in order to provide context:

Dan –

Last night at a New York synagogue, the leader of a controversial pro-settler group called for the assassination of Mahmoud Abbas, the President of the Palestinian Authority, during a fundraising pitch for settlement activities in the West Bank. And people clapped!

Click here to listen to audio of the event and take action.

At an event sponsored by Americans For a Safe Israel at the Safra Synagogue on the Upper East Side, settlement activist Nadia Matar said:

"We must kill all the terrorist leaders, starting with Mahmoud Abbas and all others. Nobody had any moral qualms at destroying the Nazi regime. We have to abolish the Oslo Agreements, there's no difference between the PA, the Islamic Jihad, the Hamas, whatever names you have, they're all terrorists and we cannot have peace with them."

Where does one begin? First, Matar is inciting violence against moderate Palestinian leadership inside a synagogue. Second, she's actively undermining a two-state solution by raising money to support Israeli settlements in the West Bank and endangering Israel's future as a Jewish, democratic homeland.

It's scary to think that anyone would endorse this woman's dangerous politics. Will you join me in asking Barry Freeman, whose organization Americans For a Safe Israel sponsored the event, to denounce Nadia Matar's remarks?

Click here to listen to the audio and sign our petition.

This wouldn't be the first time that the extremist settler movement has incited violence against peace activists, Israeli soldiers, and Israeli government officials.

Former Israeli Prime Minster Yitzhak Rabin's assassin claimed inspiration from the extremist rhetoric of far-right political parties and groups that opposed a peace agreement with the Palestinians, such as Eyal (the "Jewish Fighting Organization"). [1]

Just last year, Israeli peace activist and settlement critic Ze'ev Sternhell was injured when a pipe bomb exploded outside his home. Flyers found at the scene offered a $250,000 award for anyone who killed a member of the Israeli peace group Shalom Achshav. [2]

Inciting violence against moderate Palestinians inside a synagogue is as morally repugnant as it is stupid. We need moderate Palestinians like Abbas who are committed to a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. And who exactly does Matar think would take Abbas' place if she got her way? Someone more moderate?

I hope you'll join me in writing to the Executive Director of Americans For a Safe Israel Barry Freedman asking him to renounce Matar's remarks.

http://salsa.wiredforchange.com/o/2747/t/3251/petition.jsp?petition_KEY=554

Thanks.

- Isaac

J Street is total sham.

I read Matar's account of her arrest by some Israeli police officers. Apparently she violated some taboo on demonstrations at a particular spot. Her account is comical because it is full of indignation about police brutality. The guy dealing with her shouted at her when she resisted arrest. Her wrist was twisted at one stage. She wasn't allowed to pick up her hat which fell on the ground. Oh my.

A woman who finds it quite all right that houses are demolished, women and children are shot, people are tortured, complains bitterly when she has to suffer an infinitesimal bit of the violence that is daily fare for Palestinians.

Well she was freed rather speedily. Her lawyer argued successfully and 'quite movingly' that this was a political arrest. Pity that this defence is never open to a Palestinian.

Phil, you have been on fire recently. Your latest series on Matar really shows just how ugly Zionism has always been. Keep up the good work.

Saleema,

Your link is dynamite. To contact Phil, click on a word "ABOUT" on a column running along the body of the blog entries.

Nadya Matar is very right, start with Abbass, end with Hamas, then go to Hezbollah ….

The J Street email that I posted above makes a specific point, on three separate occasions, of condemning the remarks against moderate Palestinians:

This paragraph alone is troubling:

"Inciting violence against moderate Palestinians inside a synagogue is as morally repugnant as it is stupid. We need moderate Palestinians like Abbas who are committed to a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. And who exactly does Matar think would take Abbas' place if she got her way? Someone more moderate?"

The implication would seem to be that it's not so morally repugnant to incite violence against Palestinians that J Street deems to be not so moderate. Like members of Hamas, the democratically-elected political party in Gaza.

The "we need" Abbas statement is rather telling as well. For the record, if anyone at J Street is interested in knowing what the Palestinians feel, the majority of them don't trust Abbas, as he has aligned himself with Israel and the West, to the detriment of the population at large.

If J Street is truly interested in moving the "peace process" forward, they will reach out to the democratically-elected government of Gaza, as opposed to pandering only to "moderates" who don't always have the Palestinians' best interests at heart.

Abbas should have been murdered years ago. What kind of fool are you? Mahmoud Abbas is responsibility for the death of Jews. He was Arafat's right -hand man for 30 years. So now because he wears a nice suit you think he deserves some kind of respect? The land coming to him is in the form of a grave . Get yourself to a mental health facility. You 're sick, sick like Gertrude Stein was sick when she nominated Adolph Hitler for a Nobel Peace Prize in 1939.

i cant get the recording to play – can you post to another link?

A few people here seem to be suffering from what I might call … stupidity? Don't talk about the number of people Abbas has killed without recognising that, were it not for a stroke, Ariel Sharon might well still be the elected leader of Israel; a guy with a lot of blood on his hands. Still, the fact that either (or, as in reality, both) of these people are mass-murderers by proxy, is actually irrelevant. There will never be peace between Israel and Palestine without a willingness to let bygones be bygones, however hard that might be for families of those killed. Look at the situation in Northern Ireland for parallels – all the evidence suggests that Martin McGuinness, for example, was a serving member of the IRA and therefore directly involved in murders. A line has to be drawn somewhere…. Naturally, anyone who dares support him is an anti-semite though – an accusation which is, frankly, absurd, pathetic and rather sad.