Exclusive report from Mondoweiss: In a speech at a New York synagogue Wednesday night, Nadia Matar, a leader of the Israeli settlers' group "Women in Green," called for the assassination of Mahmoud Abbas, the president of the Palestinian Authority, as a way of bringing peace to Israel.
Just as Churchill understood that in order to bring peace to Europe, "he had to destroy the Nazi beast," Matar explained, "today we must destroy all the terrorist organizations. We must kill all the terrorist leaders, starting with Mahmoud Abbas and all others...Nobody had any moral qualms at destroying the Nazi regime. We have to abolish the Oslo Agreements, there's no difference between the PA, the Islamic Jihad, the Hamas, whatever names you have, they're all terrorists and we cannot have peace with them."
Matar then urged the crowd at the Safra Synagogue on the Upper East Side to make tax-deductible donations to Women in Green by writing checks to the Central Fund of Israel.
As our site has reported, the Central Fund is a U.S. charity group that supports Jewish settler militias. It has received donations from leading figures in the American Jewish community, including James Tisch, the ceo of Loews, Michael Milken the banker/philanthropist, Alan C. (Ace) Greenberg, the former ceo of Bear Stearns, and actor Kirk Douglas. The Fund is housed at a fabric store on Sixth Avenue called Marcus Fabrics and administered by Arthur and Hadassah Marcus, who live in New York, and their son Jay, who lives in Efrat, the West Bank settlement where Nadia Matar also lives.
Matar, who was born in Belgium and moved to Israel 20 years ago, thanked the Safra Synagogue rabbi, Elie Abadie, who is associated with Yeshiva University, for hosting her visit. It was her third appearance in a tour of the U.S. to build support for the Jewish colonists of the West Bank.
The question arises whether this is an illegal incitement to murder or assassinate a foreign leader. Here's a cite to an article by John Dean analyzing under the criminal code Pat Robertson's radio broadcast in 2005 urging that Hugo Chavez should be assassinated or taken out.
link to writ.news.findlaw.com
I would say in rebuttal to Dean that Robertson's broadcast could be construed as First Amendment protected political speech, that he was arguing for a course of action by the US Government, rather than inciting the mob to direct violence. How would you describe Matar's comments? Was she arguing what US policy should be, or was she promoting direct action? I think the latter could be a crime under the statutes John Dean cites.
My God. I never knew such frightening insanity and virulence existed until I got a look at these settlers.
Now you know – Happy Purim.
The weird thing is that this harridan invokes the name of Churchill as if the type of Zionist she represents has any values in common with the great man. In reality they are the sort of people Churchill had in mind when he said in parliament:
"If our dreams for Zionism are to end in the smoke of assassins' pistols and our labours for its future to produce only a new set of gangsters worthy of Nazi Germany, many like myself will have to reconsider the position we have maintained so consistently and so long in the past. If there is to be any hope of a peaceful and successful future for Zionism, these wicked activities must cease, and those responsible for them must be destroyed root and branch." (See Gilbert, Winston S. Churchill vol. VII Road to Victory, 1050).
Nadia Matar's comments are spoken like a true terrorist… so many of those wanting to get rid of terrorists exhibit such strong similarities with those they wish to get rid of … this nutcase Nadia Matar is no different…
Arie Brand, she sounds more like the earlier Churchill in regard to Palestinians, back in 1937:
"I don't admit that the dog in the manger has the final right to the manger, even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I don't admit, for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America, or the black people of Australia. I don't admit that a wrong has been done to those people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher grade race, or, at any rate, a more worldly-wise race, to put it that way, has come in and taken their place." (See Gilbert, Churchill and the Jews, 120}
There isn't a chance in hell she will face repercussions. This is part and parcel of our multi-tiered system of justice. If anyone said the same thing using the same inflammatory wording about the President of Israel, especially in a mosque, the FBI would be knocking on their door. Under the standards that are being applied to Muslim groups, 'Women in Green' would be a terrorist organization, and Nadia Matar would be in jail. Above the law is outside of the law. It is corrosive to our civic institutions and culture, not that I think Matar gives a damn about America as long as the checks keep coming.
This is Zionism.
kylebisme
Churchill, of course, had a long history of racism. He once advocated gassing Afghani villages on the grounds the residents were a savage inferior people. In WWII he arranged to have a small island (uninhabited except by sheep) off the Scottish coast inundated by anthrax spores to try and gauge is usefulness against the Germans. He, not Hitler, was the one who first decided to on the mass bombing of cities in WWII. His reasoning was that the civilian residents worked in factories which contributed to the war effort so there was no moral issue involved in bombing their homes.
Churchill also wrote himself that he told a Nazi ambassador before the 2nd World War started (paraphrased): "Why does he (Hitler) hate the Jews so much? I understand if you are against Jews having power, but to kill someone just because he was born is wrong"
So may be Churchill, as is also indicated by the quote from another comment, was aware of the dangers of political, organized Jewish extremism like this settler woman displays so clearly.
Americans, are you proud to fund these racist colonists directly and indirectly? What are you gonna do about it?
And by the way, great reporting here from MondoWeiss. Keep it up!
"Churchill, of course, had a long history of racism. He once advocated gassing Afghani villages on the grounds the residents were a savage inferior people."
He said that? Well, Fuck him. I hope he's burning in hell.
Correction. It was Iraqi villages Churchill wanted to gas, not Afghan ones. "I do not understand this sqeamishness about the use of gas. I am strongly in favour of using poison gas against uncivilised tribes," Churchill said.
Actually, it wasn't Afghani villages, it was Iraqi ones.
"Some other British leaders were equally blood-thirsty. After the revolt of 1920, TE Lawrence – Lawrence of Arabia – wrote to the London Observer to say: "It is odd that we do not use poison gas on these occasions."
[Arthur "Bomber"] Harris said in 1924 that he had taught Iraqis "that within 45 minutes a full-sized village can be practically wiped out and a third of its inhabitants killed or wounded".
"I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes" Winston Churchill, 1924
link to news.bbc.co.uk
And I always thought Lawrence of Arabia looked and behaved like the blue-eyed and blonde-dyed Peter O'Toole. I've always known that Churchill was just as much a drunkard as O'Toole.
If I, from way outside the US, was to advocate the destruction of Marcus Fabrics on 6th Avenue, with the excuse that they finance and encourage the use of terrorism, could I be prosecuted, or worse 'rendered'?
Thanks guys. Most of you are so well-informed and intelligent. I love nerds. Anyone single, in Houston, has no problem dating a Muslim shiksa?
Take a look at this "Time" article: "A Florida Terrorism Suspect's Legal Odyssey", By WENDY MALLOY, 03/18/09
link to time.com?
Churchill might have said outrageous things but the fact remains that when Hitler had conquered the greater part of Western Europe, America had not yet come into the war and the Germans had not yet entered into their suicidal campaign against Russia and seemed all triumphant, it was he and he alone who kept up Britain's morale and gave it the courage to fight on. Right now I am reading Harold Nicholson's war diaries and this is what his writings (and he saw things from quite nearby) strongly suggest.
Duscany you are quite wrong in believing that he instigated the mass bombing of cities before Hitler did so. The bombardment of Rotterdam took place in May 1940. The London 'Blitz'and the terror bombing of other English cities (notably Coventry) followed not long after. It was in fact these bombings that provided part of the 'justification' for the later raids against German cities.
As far as his early encouragement of Zionism is concerned: he probably had not reckoned that this would lead to the exploits of the lovelies of the Stern Gang and similair 'activists'. Admittedly he only became aware of their criminal character when people of his own class, such as Lord Moyne and Count Folke Bernadotte, were being murdered.
As far as his Zionism and views about Jews were concerned: one gets the impression that he was of the view that Jews were quite remarkable people, so remarkable that Britain was better off when they were out of the way. One seems to sniff the spirit here that inspired the Balfour Declaration of which Lord Montagu, then the only Jewish member of the British cabinet, said that it was inspired by anti-semitism.
"Churchill’s Zionism coexisted with a fear that the Jews, deprived of a homeland, might make trouble for the world. In an essay that he wrote for the Illustrated Sunday Herald in 1920 entitled ‘Zionism versus Bolshevism’, which the neocons never quote, Churchill ranted that Jews were behind world revolutions everywhere: ‘This movement among the Jews is not new. From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky [Russia], Bela Kun [Hungary], Rosa Luxemburg [Germany], and Emma Goldman [the United States] … this worldwide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilisation and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing.’ If Jews, whom Churchill described as denizens of ‘the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America’, could have their homeland, perhaps they would not — to use Churchill’s words — conspire ‘for the overthrow of civilisation’. "
From the British conservative journal The Spectator – 24th April 2004
I read Churchill's article here referred to and this is not the only side of what he believed to be Jewishness he highlights – he also talks about the constructive activities of non-revolutionary Jews. But the overall impression he creates remains: we are better off without them.
The Central Fund of Israel's most recent Form 990 is up on Guidestar (free registration):
link to guidestar.org
It shows that receipts are sharply up in 2007, to over $12 million. It also shows no employees – I wonder how common it is for a $12 million nonprofit to have no employees? Makes it look more like a laundering operation than a charity, but I could be mistaken.
The VP of the organization, Itamar Marcus of Efrat (my old stomping grounds), is surely the same character who publishes (or used to publish) the "studies" arguing that the Palestinian Authority's textbooks were hateful anti-Israel propaganda. If I remember correctly, those studies were relied upon by the European Union to reduce funding for the PA, way back around 2001/2002.
The peace movement ought to be putting some resources into challenging the nonprofit status of Zionist organizations that appear to be operating for illegal purposes, starting with the Jewish National Fund and the Central Fund for Israel.
In Spanish and Portuguese, "matar" means "to kill", so those people will find it very easy to remember her name. I can only imagine what their newspaper articles would sound like…
Why do they let these people in the country, and why aren't there mass pickets wherever they go?
"The peace movement ought to be putting some resources into challenging the nonprofit status of Zionist organizations that appear to be operating for illegal purposes, starting with the Jewish National Fund and the Central Fund for Israel. "
Exactemundo.
Thanks guys. Most of you are so well-informed and intelligent. I love nerds. Anyone single, in Houston, has no problem dating a Muslim shiksa?
Saleema, I'd love to date a Muslim shiksa. Unfortunately, I live in NJ (and I'm not nearly as well-informed as others here at Mondoweiss)…:)
Pretty terrible words from this lady about leaders that have directed suicide bombing campaigns against Jews. But I notice that you go "yawn" whenever the elected leaders of Muslim states or administrations or the Imam's of mosques spout this type of bile about Jews or its leaders or the destruction of Israel. This lady is not in power, Hamas leaders and Ahmadinejad are – and they say much worse.
Moreover, this is not what Barak, Livni, Netanyahu or even Lieberman is saying – so, other than gasping at what some settler says at a synagogue founded by Lebanese Jews who can't live in Beirut any longer (and attended by Syrian and Iranian Jews who can't live freely in Aleppo or Teheran any longer), what does this really say about Zionism – the right of Jews to have a civilization and a homeland? There are plenty of Zionists who don't believe in what this lady says – so, please, she is not the face of Zionism. Absolute anti-Zionism is a sham – and, if you countenance absolute anti-Zionism, then you are really validating this lady's core beliefs that you would kill her in a heartbeat.
The outrage here against Nadia Matar (Matar meand "Rain" in Hebrew) is quite amusing considering that the Muslims who they are commisserating with have carried out bloody civil wars when Muslims (who, we are always told, love each other) were slaughtering each other in Lebanon, Iraq, Algeria, Pakistan, etc, etc. Not to mention the celebrations the Palestinians made when there were suicide bombings where the victims were blasted with shrapnel dipped in rat poiston. Yes, the Muslims are certainly in a position to claim to be humanitarians compared to us Jews.
Saleema: Thanks guys. Most of you are so well-informed and intelligent. I love nerds. Anyone single, in Houston, has no problem dating a Muslim shiksa?
A long time ago I dated a strikingly beautiful Palestinian woman (American-born), who was a civil engineer. Her father was a successful and I believe somewhat wealthy businessman before 1948, but fled after his land, home (described as a large, beautiful house on top of a hill), and property were confiscated, and family threatened with death, to start a new life from scratch in the US. Her family was quite bitter about that experience. In the end she and I were unable to resolve religious differences (she was a devout Christian), but I was pig-headed in those days and still wonder if I should have tried harder to compromise. (BTW, Saleema, I am currently unavailable, sorry… Chris Berel might be worth a shot, if you don't mind being treated like a sub-human. Well, maybe not, I see your criteria include "well-informed and intelligent".)
The yawn occurs because our MSM and politicals leaders constantly remind us in virtual verbal lockstep when arab or persian
bile is spouted against Israel or the jews. The biggest example is Ahmadinehad's statement that the regime in Israel
will one day vanish from the pages of history, which he said in the context, as did the USSR. This was/is intentionally misinterpreted, and has been repeated endlessly as stating that Iran wanted to exterminate Israel, "wipe it off the map."
In contrast neither the MSM nor our political leaders (except for Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, and a couple of other congress people) ever tell us anything about the Palestinian, or indeed any other POV on the
I-P subject and its ramifications. Obama once mentioned that the Palestinians suffered the most, and that one could be "pro-Israel" without rubber-stamping right-wing Israeli POV, but then he, like all
others seeking high power in the USA genuflected before AIPAC, promised to defend Israel at all costs, including nuclear war against Iran as a last resort. Obama was mum as the Gazans were slaughtered.
Chas Freeman is only the most recent casualty of the USA's insane one-way vision when it comes to
Israel's activities and the blowback around the world, including, arguably, 9/11 and the influx of terrorists into Iraq after implementation of PNAC premises by our so ordered young soldiers.
Considering how much unconditional financial aid and semi-secret deals we give Israel in the form of
memorandums of understanding, an American taxpayer's patriotic duty is to make their fellow citizens
more aware of people like Nadia Matar and the supportive money laundering organizations such those mentioned in Phil's piece. We are getting what we pay for. We are responsible, as enabler, for what
Israel does. The whole world knows it; time all of us do too.
There is a peace movement?
@Harry Fenton and bar_kochba132
I am sure Abbas has caused the lives of innocent people in Israel, as Bush has caused the life of many more in ME , and if you have an ounce of sanity left behind the fog of ideological blur-you can see that the leaders of Israel have done their share of reprehensible deeds.
Your defence of this abominable Matar-woman is like a scene from Hitler's propaganda movie "Der Ewige Jude" There can be no justification, no rationalization for her behavior. In the midst of a heated debate or during an armed conflict try to retain at least some kind of decency.
But Citizen, you are pointing to an individual settler with no power who makes a statement about President Abbas, the author of a book which described the Nazi Holocaust as "The Zionist fantasy, the fantastic lie that six million Jews were killed."
The news organizations are pointing to leaders of countries and militia forces, with the power to start wars and kill, who make genocidal statements about the Jews.
As to financial aid, it's not unconditional. And we give less of it per head, but still a heck of a lot, to Egypt, the Palestinian Authority and many other countries around the globe. And we get a lot back from Israel in exchange; not much from the others.
And Nadia Matar, unlike Hamas and Ahmadinejad, doesn't hate America and call for our downfall.
If you really want to stop hatred and violence in the Middle East, stop using petroleum products.
During the disengagement, Matar called on activists to sabotage Israeli military vehicles to prevent the IDF from evacuating settlers.
link to web.israelinsider.com
@Norm
Yes. But aim for the body. I doubt a head wound would have any effect.
:-)
nadia says they have to put and end to oslo agreement becuse all palistanians are terroists and can't be talked to which it self is a form of terrorism and if belives this maybe she should'nt talk to herself .
Matar is an appropriate name for a murderer.
people engage in act of terrorism when millitary they are weaker than occupaing forces to get what they wont , just like stern gang , irgun and other jewish ( patriots through israel's point of view , terrorist through english point of view) established modern state of israel. and now palistanians are doing the same thing becuse.
They killed Jesus, they'll kill you too!
For the record:
Matar is rain in Arabic and Hebrew. Nadia is also a fairly common Arabic name. She must hate it that she might get mistaken for an Arab.
Abbas did write a book in which he denied the holocaust. That is a fact.
To assert that Nadia Matar is someone with "no power" would be laughable if not for the tragic consequences of her hateful ideology. Her organization (and the whole settler enterprise) could not exist without the political and economic support of not only her American supporters (shame on Rabbi Abadie), but for the economic, political and military support of successive Israeli governments. If that isn't power, I have a certain bell to sell you here in Philly.
I am just asking you to acknowledge, as required by Dag Andersson, that "There can be no justification, no rationalization for [Hamas']behavior."
And I didn't defend her – I just said that she doesn't run the government like Ahmadinejad does.
Fenton, You're barking at antisemites. They don't really care as long as they might cause the death of a Jew along the way.
Says MX: "My God. I never knew such frightening insanity and virulence existed until I got a look at these settlers."
MX – what a laugh! You either (i) never read the virulent anti-Zionist and anti-Jewish posts that fill the pages of Mondoweiss or (ii) you have never heard a Muslim political leader speak or a radical Imam speak.
I am not suggesting that Ms. Matar should be anyone's role model – I don't like her or her politics. But she is a far cry from the most insane and virulent things that are said in the mid-east. And she is not calling Arabs "pigs and apes" as certain Palestinians call Jews when calling for the wholescale murder of the Jewish people.
So save me your "I'm shocked" schtick – it didn't work in Casablanca – it doesn't work here.
imagine if someone had made the same speech in a mosque??? what do you think the outcome would have been? those who are incapable of seeing the others side, step aside…
rolls reversed of course…
@ Harry Fenton March 19, 2009 at 12:55 PM
Nice work, keep up talking point #4.
Ms. Matar puts herself in harm's way by living as a militant, uninvited settler in Palestine. If she were not Jewish and attempting to settle in Israel in the same way as she has settled in Palestine, she would already be a victim of her murderous policy.
Fenton – this woman with 'no power' is raising fund to support Israeli terrorists. So let's be clear about that. And her 'statement'(that's all it was, right?)was to call for the murder of a current leader who both the U.S and Israel regard(abliet incorrectly) as the official political representative of Palestine and their go-to guy in the 'peace process'. Bringing up who he might have killed is irrelevant and, of course, grossly hypocritical(which of course goes without saying when we're discussing zionism).
And for all of your factually incorrect observations, the true fact remains that this woman's actions are illegal under American law.
The settlements are illegal under international law and so they are under American law.
What is needed, as Uri has pointed out, it somebody or some group to challenge this in a court of law. Because from where I'm standing she's clearly a criminal in collecting taxpayer money to fund terrorists and settlements that the U.S has always, on paper(and I'm hoping in law)been against.
I also believe that's helpful to remember that there are jewish groups that are considered terrorist organizations by the U.S government.
Chris – You're absolutely right. Yet there might be some well-intentioned folks who wander onto this site and who, with good reason, feel bad for the plight of the Palestinians. They shouldn't be left in the darkness of these rabid Jew-haters and think that they are getting the even-keeled truth from them. They should know that everything that underpins this site's statements is a desire that Jews be exterminated from Israel and that Israel has no right to exist. Unfortunately, most people only have a surface view of what happens in the Mid-East and they can take the words of these MondoWeissers at face value – without realizing the hateful bile that underlies their thoughts. Most people dont realize that Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005 and that rocket fire started immediately from the Palestinians into Israeli civilian communities as a "thank you". Only the response by Israel makes news. Of course, Israelis feel bad for the Palestinians too, and that doesn't make the news, except when Israelis feel guilt at unintentionally harming innocents while in the midst of all out war caused by the families of these innocents and the Hamas leadership that these people elected. No word of remorse by Palestinians at the killings of Israeli civilians ever makes it into the news. The Muslim press only shows videos of people dancing in the streets and handing out candies. Israelis do not react that way towards the death of their opponents. That is why people feel its okay to beat up on them – they don't rejoice at what they are forced to do. Just imagine if some group of people in Iowa or Massachusetts started dancing in the streets and handing out candies every time one of the U.S. and Britain's missiles inadvertantly hit a civilian in Iraq or Afghanistan – mistakes that continue under the new president.
Even when Muslim "immoderates" blow up Mumbai, blow up mosques in Iraq and India and Afghanistan, hang gays for being gay, beat women for dressing immodestly, murder their sister or cousin for "shaming" the family by dating without permission, call Jews "brothers of apes and pigs" in children's television shows, imprison atheists, apostates and non-believers, and otherwise behave in an entirely right-wing facist fashion, many otherwise normal people with normal feelings of compassion can get caught up in taking the wrong side when they only see the images of what happens when Hamas shoots from civilian centers and conducts a war without its soldiers wearing military uniforms as required by the international laws of war.
"So save me your "I'm shocked" schtick – it didn't work in Casablanca – it doesn't work here."
lol You silly chimp. It works very well here. I've been following very closely the murderous, fanatical insanity of the Israelis for the last decade and I've got to hand it to them – they ALWAYS find new ways to sink to sub-human standards of behavior.
Harry – your small change here. You certainly blow as hard as you can but you don't impress anyone around here, that's a certainty.
what the fuck does this bitch call zionists then, peacekeepers I suppose, we should assassinate all the israeli leaders then according to her rules, hysterical cow – imagine if we stood up and said assasinate Olmert, we would be clapped in fucking jail
Hey didn't Israel pioson Arafat and look at how far it got them. The problem for the Zionist program was always demographic. As hard as they tried,with mass expulsions,home demolitions, and assasinations,the population of the Mandate area of Palestine is over 50% non jewish. The question is how long will the US taxpayer fund ethnic cleansing? *$1.3 Trillion in US aid since 1948 is alot of money! *Source Christian Science Monitor.
It is funny how a terrorist calling others a terrorist, holding high moral over others…if a Muslim said half what she said, he/she would have been in prison and on all mainstream news for hate crime! How funny democracies work in the west with the double standard!
Brutes and murders. You and your Zionist continue to use the slightest excuse to steal the land from the Palestinians. The world knows you for what you the unfortunate brutality by the Nazis does not excuse you doing the very same to the Palestinians. We now have a Palestinain holocaust created by the Zionist. Some about face and void of any morality. Try reading a little of the shamful history perpetuated by your Zionist against those of the M-E. Many of your early PM's were wanted criminals who committed acts of murder to achieve their goals. History is replete with such incidents complete with photographs. Gordon Sutton