Jeff Blankfort got this map sent to him by the Jewish Week, as a form of email advertising for Chabad in New York. Blankfort writes:
Like many other maps I have seen over the years issued by Jewish
organizations, secular and religious, for the Jewish community, there
is no Green Line. No delineated West Bank or Gaza. It's all Israel.
When the Palestinians do this all hell breaks loose. When Jews do it's
the sound of silence.
Maybe someone should show this to Hillary Clinton?
Oh, by the way, here's Chabad hosting Lev Leviev, the man who's funded colonists on the West Bank. Who writes about this nexus--even as the 2-state solution goes down the tube?
Its a single-state map.
Phil, you just can't stop hate mongering, can you? Never satisfied until blood is shed, are you?
Hell breaks out when an official government source prints such a map. If the palestinian old ladies garden club printed such a map, no one cares. If hamas, Fatah, PA, or any other official or quasi-official organization does so, then the shit rightfully hits the fan, just as if any official or quasi-official israeli organization did so.
But they didn't of Jew-Sans-Clue.
And now you know why the name Phil's Phools is becoming well known.
Looks like Palestine to me.
Lubavitch are a deeply creepy organisation. Even the reformers, like Shmarya Rosenberg who runs the Failed Messiah blog, share the deeply creepy view that tikkun olam ultimately means that they will run the world – though it may be a different world in some subtle metaphysical sense, the sitra ahra having finally been abolished, or driven back into the qliphotic realm, or something. He admitted that to me, quite candidly, once.
Besides, they have a rather transparent deniability strategy, in that the real hard-core activists can always be disavowed, because, of course, they still think the old boy was the messiah. Shmarya told me he quite likes Dov Wolpe, a person of this sort who runs around the West Bank inflaming things,and it's regrettable that such a nice person believes the old man was the messiah. You see how the deniability even exploits the insiders, like Shmarya himself? Deniability can be a subtle form of solidarity.
I've written copy for brochures. I can tell you right now that space is a premium in advertising, and this goes on all the time. They are not selling Gaza etc. They are selling Purim in Israel.
You should know better, Phil. I'm surprised at you.
Better than what, Suzanne?
The Democratic and Secular "Republic of Israel and Palestine", approx. AD 2020?
I'm guessing that's not what they meant…
Phil's right: it's not without its significance. But he overstates the case a bit.
Berel's doing the same: maybe he got a papercut reading the post? How is "blood going to be shed" over this post, Chris?
You don't know what you are talking about, Chris.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull&cid=1164881821783
All hell broke loose among the right wing in 2006 when the Israeli Education Minister proposed that school textbooks in Israel would show the green line. Prior to that, NO Israeli government approved and issued textbook showed the Green Line. Within the JPost's description of the controversy comes this description of standard Israeli policy on textbook maps.
So, are you going to apologize to Phil, or are you going to accuse the JPost of "anti-semitic lies"? I fully realize that there is this view of Israel that exists in your mind where nothing like this could or would happen. But the reality of Israel is quit different from how you imagine and wish it to be.
Antisemitism! Holocaust! Hitler! Nazis! Bagels!
And speaking of the Jerusalem Post, it seems that they too have a problem with cartography, if their daily weather "map of Israel" is anything to go by:
http://threemonthsinpalestine.blogspot.com/2005/12/weather-maps.html
More on the Israeli controversy over ADDING the green line to Israeli school textbook maps here.
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/10205.htm
more at link above…
Never satisfied until blood is shed?
Is Berel channeling the spirit of Golda Meir? Will Israel be forced to kill again because of Phil's unforgiveable transgressions?
Why doesn't someone call that number on the Advert and ask them why they don't show the West Bank and Gaza and Golan as well?
Because that would be antisemetic! Are you a hateful, evil, Islamist, Jihadist? Only an -ist would be so hateful! Why do you hate?!
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"Why doesn't someone call that number on the Advert and ask them why they don't show the West Bank and Gaza and Golan as well?"
There sure is a lot of silly shit on this blog.
Yes, please call the company that produced it for them so they can spend the next two hours laughing at you.
Lubavitcher Racism, anti-Goyism, anti-Palestinianism and Leviev
Why would someone spend 2 hours straight, laughing on a phone?
Suzanne reminds me of a middle school kid telling someone to 'shut their stupid face'!
That's how biting her wit is. Bravo ZioPuke. Bravo.
How come no one ever challenges Phil as to why he links to an openly anti-Semitic blog, that of Joachim Martillo.
Imperial Japan also had its own map. The tots, the zero pilots lived it. Enough said. The 5th column in the USA now, Chris's Stools, keep on talking on this blog. Goy GIs protect their free speech. You know, those guys and girls they would hate to have in their home on the holidays they celebrate?
The best part is how the ad refers to Babaganoush, Shawarma, Hummus (what the hell is chumus?) and Falafel as Israeli delicacies…
"the ad refers to Babaganoush, Shawarma, Hummus (what the hell is chumus?) and Falafel as Israeli delicacies…"
It gets worse than that. Years ago at my university there was some sort of international fair where different international student groups set up booths. While on a break from our booth I caught sight of the Israeli booth, and hanging there was a traditional Palestinian cross-stitch embroidery thob (dress). The label on it said "traditional Israeli embroidery". I gave them quite a reading out. The Americans who were manning the booth looked completely confused, as if they had no clue what I was talking about. Poor dears, maybe none of them had done their obligatory year on a kibbutz yet or something.
DB: "How come no one ever challenges Phil as to why he links to an openly anti-Semitic blog, that of Joachim Martillo."
It amazes me that some people think they only have to call someone "anti-Semetic" and the rest of the world will shrink from him in horror. People read Martillo because he's smart and informed and you find things on his site that you'd never find anywhere else. If Martillo posts something you think is inaccurate why don't you call him on it instead of merely (and drearily) calling him names?
Traditional Jewish cuisine always has been interesting. Thirty years back (and today in American delis) it was mostly Eastern European peasant food and today it is Arab. Jews have been very creative in many realms of life, but cooking is not one of them.
How come no one ever challenges Phil as to why he links to an openly anti-Semitic blog, that of Joachim Martillo..
Good question! Allow me to answer while the rats here continue to scurry all over each other (I'm assuming that's why they didn't respond to you).
Most here share Martillo's views…and Phil has a self-destructive streak as deep as a 500 mile crater. Stayed tuned!
Traditional Jewish cuisine always has been interesting. Thirty years back (and today in American delis) it was mostly Eastern European peasant food and today it is Arab. Jews have been very creative in many realms of life, but cooking is not one of them.
I guess I agree with that. I love deli & ME cuisine…but considering how BIG food is with Jews–it remained pretty basic.
It goes to show that, to the Israelis, the Palestinians are virtually invisible.
"The opposite of love isn't hate, it's indifference."
Make that "to the Zionists"…
Since I make a mean Chummus and shawarma,can somebody be kind enough to tell me to which Israeli ministry I should send the monthly royalties?
Suzanne you're not a spokesperson for the regulars here. Kindly shut the #*&! up.
Ironic that so many members of Chabad Lubavitch have so soon forgotten the words of Grand Rebbe Sholen Dov Ber Schneerson on Zionism:
"Regarding your question about the Zionists, allow me to respond briefly. Those who assist the Zionists will pay at the Day of Judgment, because they are causing the masses to sin. Therefore, whoever is on the side of God and his Torah shall not join with evildoers and not become attached to them. On the contrary, they should oppose them as much as possible…
"The Zionists were more clever than the others, since they exchanged nationalism for the Torah and commandments, as Mandelstam wrote publicly, that a Jew doesn't have to be someone who keeps the commandments…"
The Lubavitcher Rabbi Schneerson was a wise man. But the Zionist is not without commandments of his own design: Covet thy neighbor's property and bear false witness to justify the theft. And from the look of things, he's getting away with them, not least because his "higher authority" is within his reach–in Washington.
The Joachim factor has been challenged already. I distinctly remember Phil's reasonings and he came to his own conclusion that Martillo is not anti-Semitic. It has been dealt with.
I don't read him. I don't even read his comments. I don't know how many here actually read his blog but some do suggest with some clarity that he is quite the anti-Semite.
But Suzanne is a spokesperson for those who are not antisemitic nutjobs like you.
No question Martillo frequently steps over the line into good old-fashioned antisemitic diatribes. Phil is quirky in a number of ways and this is one of them. I think he should just scrub all the antisemitic commentators, but Phil is of "let a 1000 flowers bloom" school of thought.
Can an anti-Semite speak a truth? (They know who this is directed at.)
Joachim creeps me out, frankly, as does the antisemitism of a couple of others around here. Bravo, Suzanne, for once again demonstrating that your self-righteous judgmentalism is based on very little evidence. But it makes you feel better, no doubt, to imagine that everyone who disagrees with you about Israel must be evil.
There are a couple of people on both sides of the argument here who contribute nothing but racism of one variety or the other. I don't see Suzanne complaining about the racists on her side–it's not her duty to complain, but it leaves her no room for pretending to any form of moral superiority.
And btw, whatever happened to that posting policy that Phil and Adam posted with such fanfare recently? Do either of them even read their own damn blog comment sections more than once a month or so? Or maybe it was just a big joke. Good one, guys.
The policy change seems to have been made due to the influx of trolls like Berel/Suzanne/Thom/etc.
I think too much moderation can be a bad thing as well. But honestly, we don't have a Zionist here who gives us reasonable debate.
The usual response is:
Hitler
Nazi
Holocaust
Antisemite
All the usual routines.
Jewish Zionists and their conscientious supporters are all ipso facto racists. In fact, they're advocates of the worst kind of racism in existence: state institutionalized and enforced racism. So they have absolutely zero credibility for speaking out against critics of Zionism and Jewish supremacism on the grounds that such critics are bigots. *They and their supporters* after all, are the *worst bigots* of all.
I have read (in the Forward, probably, but even they must occasionally tell the truth about something, when it suits them) that the Sephardim have a mean cuisine.
Well, since Golan is conspicuously not there, I guess Chabad are delineating Eretz Yisrael. Maybe… It does not say "Israel" anywhere.
Oops, it does say "Purim in Israel". Maybe Chabad have some knowledge of a secret Syria-Israel agreement? Lol…
I'm not saying that Phil has to moderate his comments, though I think it would give him more credibility if he deleted the blatantly anti-Semitic ones. But putting someone on your blogroll suggests at least some degree of endorsement, and it's more than a bit odd that Phil would undermine his credibility by putting an openly anti-Semitic blogger on his roll. If Phil managed to come to the conclusion that Joachim isn't anti-Semitic, that says more about Phil than about Joachim.
Ed, we're not talking about "Zionists," we're talking about whether Phil does, and chooses to do so, separate himself from overt anti-Semitism, or instead endorses it.
The term 'anti-Semitism' is used in an even more peculiar and tendentious way than usual, in Joachim's case, since his argument, like Koestler's, relies on the implications for would-be Jewish racial supremacists of the fact that the Ashkenazim are not, generally speaking, of Semitic descent.
"the ad refers to Babaganoush, Shawarma, Hummus (what the hell is chumus?) and Falafel as Israeli delicacies…"
Yes, it sounds a bit cuckoo to me too. :-)
Everbody I know calls this "lebanese" food, I will have to set them straight.
I heard a Lebanese person bemoaning the fact that not only do they have to suffer Israeli bombing but now they have to contend with appropriation of their food culture. I hope this effort to muscle in on the felafels etc. is not damaging the unique Jewish identity that they have struggled so hard to preserve over the centuries.
Apologies if this sounds bitchy, maybe I'm having a bad hair day.
moomkon – you bring up an interesting point.
A few years back I read a history of the crusades. At the peak of the power of the Kingdom of Jerusalem a French priest after his visit there noted how the society he found was so mideastern in custom and food and so different from the Frank and Roman catholic customs that established that kingdom. He also noted that the people there no longer even looked European.
Israel, as we all seem to note in these comments, is making a similar transition. At least in its cuisine, it is becoming less and less European and more and more Mideastern. This is a transition that we should applaud. Perhaps we are seeing the melding of the Israelis and Palestinians into one people. Is this how the one-state solution will come about?
Anti-Jewish racism and "anti-Semitism" as a propaganda slur hurled by Zionists are two entirely different things. If Joachim was an anti-Jewish racist, he would likely be a supporter of Zionism, just as many of the heirs to Jim Crow racism are today, as a different means of skinning the cat.
But is Joachim an anti-Semite as Zionists employ they term? Of course. All anti-Zionists on this board are, because Zionists use the term "anti-Semite" and "anti-Zionist" interchangeably. That's why no anti-Zionist should ever give the term anti-Semite, when hurled by a Zionist or a supporter of Zionism, any credence whatsoever. It's akin to a Communist or a Nazi condemning those who refuse to roll over for their ideologies as motivated by intolerance and bigotry. Laughable on its face. Or it would be if people weren't so brainwashed by years of Zionist conditioning designed to make them unthinkingly view all of those towards whom it is hurled by Zionists with revulsion.
I went to a restaurant the other day and one of the dishes on the menu was "Israeli couscous." I asked the waiter, "Isn't couscous from Morocco?" He didn't have a clue. I asked him if this particular couscous was imported from Israel. He had no idea. I had to inform him that just in case, I could not in good conscience order that dish since Israel is an apartheid state that denies Palestinians their human rights and I am morally-bound to observe the boycott. It's o.k. if Israel tries to appropriate other people's cuisine; it just provides more opportunities to boycott and inform people of what you are doing.
syvanen, yes maybe there is some truth in the saying, "the country makes the people".
p.s. I was so overwrought about the cuisine snatching issue that I mispelled my name. :-)
"Everbody I know calls this "lebanese" food…"
It is not Lebanese food, it is Arabic food. Lebanese food is very, very good, but they should not claim these items as Lebanese because they are traditional foods everywhere in the Arab world, and especially all over the Levant.
"I heard a Lebanese person bemoaning the fact that not only do they have to suffer Israeli bombing but now they have to contend with appropriation of their food culture."
The Lebanese are rather late to the party. For 60 years Palestinians have justifiably complained that the Israelis not only stole their homeland and their houses and the contents of their houses and their farms and their businesses, they also claimed their foods as their own.
"Israel…is making a similar transition. At least in its cuisine, it is becoming less and less European and more and more Mideastern."
Israel began claiming Palestinian foods were Israeli decades and decades ago. And as I noted above, they even tried to claim that traditional Palestinian embroidery is Israeli. They have no shame!