The anonymous, telegraphic report is from Col Patrick Lang's blog (Lang is a highly-decorated retired intelligence officer, who served in the Defense Intelligence Agency):
"Sources familiar with the FBI investigation… say that the investigation is continuing even though the charges against [former Israel lobbyists] Rosen and Weissman were dropped. [Congresswoman Jane] Harman was interviewed by DoJ prosecutors after the Rosen/Weissman charges were dropped.
Sources indicate that based on multi-agency reports of Israeli espionage activities in the U.S. prior to 9/11, George Tenet as DCI ordered his senior staff to assemble for him a study of all the files available concerning the history of Israeli espionage activities in the US. The resulting study shocked him."
Charges were dropped 12 days ago. Thanks to Ali Gharib of IPS.
… the investigation is continuing … Excellent. The resulting study shocked [DCI George Tenet]. Mr. 'Medal of Freedom' really is pretty damn ignorant. It's no wonder that AIPAC and the Israelis run over us with idiots like him in charge. And then he was 'shocked' and proceeded to do … nothing.
The Democratic Party and Jewish Zionism are becoming synonymous. 95% of the 45 Jewish Zionists serving in Congress are Democrats (and 45 Jewish Zionists means 13.5% of Congress is Jewish Zionist, whereas Jews only comprise around 2% of the American population.) So obviously, the Democratic Party goes out of its way to see to it that Jewish Zionists are elected to national office. Why? Because they are reliably Big Government/Bolshevik, which is where the Democratic Party wants to take America. (The modern GOP is Big Government, too, but not Bolshevik; rather, Plutocratic.) Why does the Democratic Party want to take the U.S. down the Bolshevik road when the Soviet Union was such a failure and murdered millions of its own citizens? Good question, but all I can surmise is that those countries infected by the Judeofascist virus become sickly, deranged, and semi-suicidal. And contemporary, post-Christian America is unquestionably all of those.
Well here's the money quote, as I read it: "The Israelis informed the US Government that Klingberg confessed, but they withheld from the US something much more important. Klingberg had been, according to the report presented to Tenet, a Soviet/Israeli double-agent. While in the US, Klingberg received 20,000 pages of documents onUS biological warfare and dbiological defense programs from two scientists at Ft. Detrick, Maryland. The classified information passed from Ft. Detrick to Israel greatly advanced Israelis biological warfare work, including aerosolized weaponized Anthrax." I'd like to hear Laura Rozen's take on this bit of info. Any chance Klingberg's two from Ft. Detrick were the same Zak and Rippy she reported on in early 2002 or late 2001, who were at least momentarily suspected of having been the ones who tried to blow a false whistle on an Arab scientist at Ft. Detrick, as a likely terrorist, just before the Anthrax letters were mailed, in part because they had been previously disciplined for harassing the guy because of his Arab background (the Camel Club), but whose potential role in the case was promptly thereafter disappeared from all media discussions of the Anthrax investigations.
Here's Rozen's article from Salon re Zack and Rippy and Dr. Assaad: http://archive.salon.com/news/feature/2002/01/26/... I always felt there was another shoe to drop on this case.
TIme for a third party. In Texas, I believe we can write in a candidate's name. I will no longer continue to give my support to the Democrats. I'm writing my neighbor's name in for presidential cadidate in the next election. He is an excellent neighbor. He has more than once helped me install my child's car seat. He is also my car insurance agent. His customer service is excellent. My parents also buy their car insurance policy from him. When my sis rammed their car into someon else's, he was there in a flash, helping. He has cut his other neighbor's yard, because the neighbor fails to do his duty. He also helps us board up when the hurricanes come around. If you are in Texas, for the next elections, vote for Eric Fauser.
And what did that Plutocratic government accomplish in eight years, Ed? Name the great number of jobs it created. Talk about the industry sectors it supported that are thriving now, here, in the US and not India and China. Describe how many engineering, R&D, and white collar jobs it saved, and the concomitant tax dollars for those jobs currently enlivening the communities where those employees live. KNock yourself out. Dazzle us with those figures and facts. Definitely talk up the gains it made in education that brought the US from #12 worldwide in 2001 to #58 now, or is it #59, among the 110 listed Western countries in the annual poll. Describe how the Plutocrats protected the common folk from usury rates of 30% and predatory lending, especially that persnickety bankruptcy law, or the great strides in preserving former constitutional rights like habeas corpus and the right to privacy. Dont forget to mention what they did to preserve our national infrastructure, and rebuild New Orleans. And hey! How about that war. Knock yourself out, Ed, singing the praises of what these Plutocrats did that you think we should honor today. As a former Republican who got the bends at the idea of ever voting Democratic, I really want to hear what you have to say. See if you can convince me to reverse my revulsion at the most disgraceful terms of governance I’ve ever had to live through. Otherwise, take a hard look around you and realize that anything anything that puts us at fifty miles remove from eight years of abdication of everything this country stood for is the reaction now. You can bolshevik and molshevik the corrective measures needed to keep this country from sliding off the rails, but you know what? You’re seven years too late. [As for the power-Zios? They're playing catch-up because they never in a million years thought the black guy was going to win until a year ago. By then, 20% of them were singing the O is a Muslim theme; still are. Big whoop.]
While Lang may be a credible source, he's quoting from Wayne Madsen's blog. Though some of the info here may be credible, Lang omitted the portion where Madsen claims Israelis celebrated at the 9/11 attacks. In other words, Madsen is not entirely credible & readers should know he was the source.
Here's an interview with Klinberg, a case of the problem of Jewish dual loyalty if ever there was one, also reflecting that he had no problem at all justifying Soviet ideology, ignoring the 60 million deaths the Soviets caused, and passing on this ideology to his children, also dual loyalists, as Jews, to both Red ideology and Israel. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?it...
2 Fine American Jews Zack & Rippy academic frauds tried to claim credit for Assaad's scientific work, when they failed, they resorted to anti-arab sport, spewing bad racist poems at their hatred club and both married, they also loved each other's rear
What do you find incredible about the five Israelis (Sivan Kurzberg, Paul Kurzberg, Yaron Shmuel, Oded Ellner and Omer Marmari) who celebrated while watching the Twin Towers collapse, Richard? Three of them even appeared on mainstream Israeli TV, where Kurzberg said, rather ambiguously, "We were there to document the event."
he's quoting from Wayne Madsen's blog. How do you know? Lang omitted the portion where Madsen claims Israelis celebrated at the 9/11 attacks Well the famous movers in New York city actually were reported to the police and later arrested since they were perceived as celebrating the event. I am not sure what to make of Wayne Madsen, but that little item doesn't feel completely wrong. I think 9/11 was perceived as more or less good for Israel, something for which the celebrating Israelis above only provided an image. I don't find this hard to understand either… Finally the world sees what the Israelis have to deal with. So, yes I think it's part of the larger truth. Remember Hamas and Hisbollah are now listed as terrorists, which they are, but the issue is more complex. And Jack Lang somewhere wrote, you obviously have to keep in mind the author but apart from that no information is useless. I wonder though why he didn't tell us.
Bug off, Silverstein. Gee, how many times did I hear after 9-11 that the Palestinians celebrated the event? Why, it was all over the news, wasn't it? Silverstein, if the Palestinians celebrated the event, than the Israelis could, too.
Richard Silverstein, I will not comment as to Wayne Madsen’s credibility; however, you use his claim that Israeli’s celebrated on 9/11 to dismiss him. In this case Mr. Madsen is correct; the infamous White Van was been documented and confirmed by knowledgeable people. Retired international lawyer Gerald Shea collated the reports in his memo to the 9/11 Commission: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z5BnihtWfs Go to the 4:20 mark. Make no mistake – this event happened. Does it mean Israel was involved in 9/11? No, not necessarily; Baer makes a very plausible benign view that they were monitoring Hamas cells and stumbled upon the highjackers. It does however mean that you have to find a new avenue to question Mr. Madsen’s credibility.
The Youtube link failed try this one: <a>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z5BnihtWfs%3C/a%3...
shoot, just copy paste this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z5BnihtWfs
I crossposted it at Patrick Lang's sic semper tyrannis. This is his answer:
You shouldn't be so rude to my friend Richard, Mooser. But concerning the much spread celebrating Palestinians–with video footing that has been contested, if I remember correctly–I absolutely agree with you.
they were just free-spirited brothers who happened to have video equipment handy and happened to be where they were at the time.
shoot, just copy paste this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z5BnihtWfs
Lang omitted the portion where Madsen claims Israelis celebrated at the 9/11 attacks. In other words, Madsen is not entirely credible & readers should know he was the source. Whoa! What kind of nonsense is this? Are you trying to maintain that five Israelis where not seen dancing on the top of a white van with lighters and celebrating the fall of the first tower by filming it, and that a woman in an apartment mistook them for Arabs and called the police with their license plate…and that they weren't picked up within the hour? Are you trying to maintain that, Richard? And on this basis you're calling Wayne Madsen not credible? Because it you are, you're the one who's not credible. And I’m shocked. Because you’ve always seemed to me as someone who wants the truth. Because not only did this happen, two vans of Israelis were caught, and the Israelis spent something like 40 or 80 days in a Brooklyn jail before being deported to Israel on visa violations. Not only that, three of them went on Israeli TV and discussed it. They actually had the balls to say they went to America as tourists to “document the event.” It was reported they were Mossad, which the three on Israeli TV denied. “Breaking the Taboo on Israel's Spying Efforts on the United States” By Christopher Ketcham, AlterNet. Posted March 10, 2009. (Originally on Salon. com in 2002) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRfhUezbKLw Wayne Madsen didn’t make it up. He worked at the NSA where they were tracking these things, as Ketcham reports here. An Israeli Trojan Horse By CHRISTOPHER KETCHAM How Israeli Backdoor Technology Penetrated the U.S. Government's Telecom System and Compromised National Security http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRfhUezbKLw A CounterPunch Special Investigation High-Fivers and Art Student Spies What Did Israel Know in Advance of the 9/11 Attacks? By CHRISTOPHER KETCHAM Reproduced here, because it was behind a paper subscription: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRfhUezbKLw Here are some YouTubes with differing points-of-view about it. But dont for a goddam minute tell me Israelis weren't arrested on 911 for dancing on top of a white white van celebrating the demolition of the WTC tower, because I believe the woman who saw them doing that and called the police. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRfhUezbKLw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRfhUezbKLw omitted the portion where Madsen claims Israelis celebrated at the 9/11 attacks. In other words, Madsen is not entirely credible & readers should know he was the source. Whoa! What kind of nonsense is this? Are you trying to maintain that five Israelis where not seen dancing on the top of a white van with lighters and celebrating the fall of the first tower by filming it, and that a woman in an apartment mistook them for Arabs and called the police with their license plate…and that they weren't picked up within the hour? Are you trying to maintain that, Richard? And on this basis you're calling Wayne Madsen not credible? Because it you are, you're the one who's not credible. And I’m shocked. Because you’ve always seemed to me as someone who wants the truth. Because not only did this happen, two vans of Israelis were caught, and the Israelis spent something like 40 or 80 days in a Brooklyn jail before being deported to Israel on visa violations. Not only that, three of them went on Israeli TV and discussed it. They actually had the balls to say they went to America as tourists to “document the event.” It was reported they were Mossad, which the three on Israeli TV denied. “Breaking the Taboo on Israel's Spying Efforts on the United States” By Christopher Ketcham, AlterNet. Posted March 10, 2009. (Originally on Salon. com in 2002) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRfhUezbKLw Wayne Madsen didn’t make it up. He worked at the NSA where they were tracking these things, as Ketcham reports here. An Israeli Trojan Horse By CHRISTOPHER KETCHAM How Israeli Backdoor Technology Penetrated the U.S. Government's Telecom System and Compromised National Security http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRfhUezbKLw A CounterPunch Special Investigation High-Fivers and Art Student Spies What Did Israel Know in Advance of the 9/11 Attacks? By CHRISTOPHER KETCHAM Reproduced here on an Australian site, because it was behind a paper subscription: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRfhUezbKLw For a footnoted account of news clips of the Five Dancing Israelis, as they are called: THE FIVE "DANCING" ISRAELIS ARRESTED ON 911 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRfhUezbKLw Here are some YouTubes with differing points-of-view about it. But dont for a goddam minute tell me Israelis weren't arrested on 911 for dancing on top of a white white van celebrating the demolition of the WTC tower, because I believe the woman who saw them doing that and called the police. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRfhUezbKLw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRfhUezbKLw
Yikes, how did the double post happen? I wrote it , then copied it, deleted the post in the message box, refreshed this page, then pasted it. Must have been a magical double click I didnt notice. Sorry.
BS. On top of a van in the private outdoor parking lot (2nd floor) for an apartment building with a Video and Tripod before the towers go down but after the first airplane hits? And they claim on Israeli TV that they were just coming over here to document the event? They've got box cutters, phony passports and $4700 in cash, and explosive residue found in back of their van? According to the NJ police, not me.
Actual FOIA-released Police Radio tapes of Van of Explosives Detained at the GeorgeWasington Bridge (Israelis) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVDCzymSTw8
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This is a quote from Wayne Madsen's post fr. which Lang's source derived the Klingberg story: http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/articles/2009051... (unfortunately subscription required) I'd like a show of hands how many Modoweiss readers find this passage credible in any way shape or form: "“WMR previously reported that the Israeli Urban Moving Systems employees who were seen celebrating the destruction of the World Trade Center on 9/11 were also discovered by U.S. law enforcement of stockpiling anthrax samples at the moving company's Weehawken, New Jersey warehouse. The anthrax letters mailed to the U.S. Senate were later found to have been sent from New Jersey.”
You're moving the goalposts, Richard.
Did you not see the Robert Baer video or take a look the Shea report? I suggest you do before you comment further. Here is a link to the Counterpunch story: http://www.christopherketcham.com/wp-content/uplo...
Hand raised. The US Bioweapons and research program is likely a target of Israeli espionage, as it is for other nations. The Israeli's have programs of their own, and steal information and materials (including samples) to support it. If Urban Moving Systems was a front for intelligence collection, and there is good indication it was; then yes there is some credibility to the claim that anthrax samples were found at the company. Further, anthrax letters were found to have been sent from New Jersey: http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol8no10/02-0329.ht... Did Madsen claim the Israeli's sent the anthrax letters in the passage? No. And yes, you have absolutely moved the goalposts.
From Wikipedia:
<img src="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Anthraxreward.j... Here's part of Madsen's original report on this, which Mondoweiss readers can use to determine if Madsen is thorough or not, if he has some unreasonable grudge, and if he is credible "in any way, shape or form." Since this is the end of a thread, I am going to include the whole thing, since it is behind a subscription.
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